Brexit.

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Insane Bolt

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2018, 08:15:20 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on November 05, 2018, 08:01:36 PM
C4 now

Disgraceful only half the audience and the presenter not wearing poppies!

Bastids must have snuck in a side door😂

mouview

End game really approaching now. Ireland / EU really needs to stand firm and call UK's bluff. No hope in hell a No-Deal will get passed in parliament so it's either a GE or another referendum (cf. Channel 4 last night). Chickens coming home to roost now for Brexiteers.

seafoid


There really is no doubt about the DUP. Their hatred of everything Irish exceeds their interest in the economic wellbeing of their constituents. For f**k's sake

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/06/brexit-latest-theresa-may-set-pressure-cabinet-accepting-new/
"Theresa May's efforts to find an acceptable Irish backstop with her cabinet today risk being overshadowed by her Democratic Unionist Party allies warning that the United Kingdom is "heading for no deal".
The provocative assessment was made the DUP's chief whip, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, as he pointed out on Twitter that it would mean the UK "won't have to pay a penny more to [the] EU". Such a scenario, he added, would have "serious consequences" for the Republic of Ireland's economy and force it to suffer a "big increase" in payments to EU coffers.
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"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: mouview on November 06, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
End game really approaching now. Ireland / EU really needs to stand firm and call UK's bluff. No hope in hell a No-Deal will get passed in parliament so it's either a GE or another referendum (cf. Channel 4 last night). Chickens coming home to roost now for Brexiteers.
Only 30% of Brits support a no deal.
I suspect the DUP will get tangoed.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Insane Bolt

Quote from: mouview on November 06, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
End game really approaching now. Ireland / EU really needs to stand firm and call UK's bluff. No hope in hell a No-Deal will get passed in parliament so it's either a GE or another referendum (cf. Channel 4 last night). Chickens coming home to roost now for Brexiteers.

IMHO I don't think either a GE or another referendum will solve the issue. People are divided nearly 50/50 on Brexit and the two main parties are also split. What it needed from the start was a cross party delegation to negotiate.

Rossfan

Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2018, 11:33:32 AM

There really is no doubt about the DUP. Their hatred of everything Irish exceeds their interest in the economic wellbeing of their constituents. For f**k's sake

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/06/brexit-latest-theresa-may-set-pressure-cabinet-accepting-new/

The provocative assessment was made the DUP's chief whip, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, as he pointed out on Twitter that it would mean the UK "won't have to pay a penny more to [the] EU". Such a scenario, he added, would have "serious consequences" for the Republic of Ireland's economy and force it to suffer a "big increase" in payments to EU coffers.
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That would be Jeffreys wet dream alright.....a return to the 1950s.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

johnnycool

Quote from: Rossfan on November 06, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2018, 11:33:32 AM

There really is no doubt about the DUP. Their hatred of everything Irish exceeds their interest in the economic wellbeing of their constituents. For f**k's sake

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/06/brexit-latest-theresa-may-set-pressure-cabinet-accepting-new/

The provocative assessment was made the DUP's chief whip, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, as he pointed out on Twitter that it would mean the UK "won't have to pay a penny more to [the] EU". Such a scenario, he added, would have "serious consequences" for the Republic of Ireland's economy and force it to suffer a "big increase" in payments to EU coffers.
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That would be Jeffreys wet dream alright.....a return to the 1950s.

Jeffrey isn't wrong in what a no deal would do to the Irish economy but he forgot to mention the huge damage it will do to the already fragile Northern economy.

Wait till all those big Protestant Farmers are washing their milk down the drain and no money coming from Westminster.

We're all couped if that happens.

mouview

Quote from: Insane Bolt on November 06, 2018, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: mouview on November 06, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
End game really approaching now. Ireland / EU really needs to stand firm and call UK's bluff. No hope in hell a No-Deal will get passed in parliament so it's either a GE or another referendum (cf. Channel 4 last night). Chickens coming home to roost now for Brexiteers.

IMHO I don't think either a GE or another referendum will solve the issue. People are divided nearly 50/50 on Brexit and the two main parties are also split. What it needed from the start was a cross party delegation to negotiate.

If a referendum delivered a clear result one way or another it might finish the debate.
Even the Germans are wondering what's going on;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/06/britain-foolish-decline-boris-johnson


seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2018, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 06, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2018, 11:33:32 AM

There really is no doubt about the DUP. Their hatred of everything Irish exceeds their interest in the economic wellbeing of their constituents. For f**k's sake

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/06/brexit-latest-theresa-may-set-pressure-cabinet-accepting-new/

The provocative assessment was made the DUP's chief whip, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, as he pointed out on Twitter that it would mean the UK "won't have to pay a penny more to [the] EU". Such a scenario, he added, would have "serious consequences" for the Republic of Ireland's economy and force it to suffer a "big increase" in payments to EU coffers.
"
That would be Jeffreys wet dream alright.....a return to the 1950s.

Jeffrey isn't wrong in what a no deal would do to the Irish economy but he forgot to mention the huge damage it will do to the already fragile Northern economy.

Wait till all those big Protestant Farmers are washing their milk down the drain and no money coming from Westminster.

We're all couped if that happens.

Stephen Rea:

« The Belfast I grew up in was a pre-Troubles city, so not progressive in any meaningful way. Put simply, they would not do anything the Free State [Ireland] did. They got rid of the Irish language, they banned the Irish flag, all that stuff."

Unionists were, and still are, cut off not just from Catholics and from Ireland, but from the world. It's pure isolation. And it is so drummed into the young that they cannot let go of these views." « 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

A very good take on Trump and Brexit

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/574867/
The new populist politics is a scam and a lie that exploits anger and fear to gain power. It has no care for the people it supposedly champions and no respect for them. It will deliver nothing—not only because its leaders are almost invariably crooks (although they are), but because they have no plans and no plans to make plans.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

balladmaker

#4810
Barnier playing a blinder in Finland today ... No all-weather backstop, no deal .... over to you Theresa.

And in other news, I see that Sir Jeffrey has stopped colouring his hair, or maybe he's been caught short and is in between colours.

Ronnie

Considering that the DUP think that they can pull the plug on the Govt at any stage and if we leave economics aside and accept that everyone in NI, ROI and UK will be a few thousand worse off each year in the event of a no-deal Brexit, how are people affected on a day-to-day basis?  Papers have been written on citizen rights, domicile rights, birth rights, employment rights, tax rights, travel rights, pet rights etc, etc. 

A no-deal Stormont has left the people of NI no worse off.  A 6 person DUP negotiating team led by Simon Hamilton and Edwin Poots agreed a deal with SF only to be shot down by the 10 naysayers at Westminster, led by Nigel Dodds.  Some are agreeable to change and some are chained to the past.  Nationalist/republican/Catholic/liberal people in NI will be better served by a no-deal Stormont but not a no-deal Brexit.  With irony their hopes rest in the British parliament and in British courts.  The DUP have continually failed their own people.  Were unionist people really up-in-arms over 50/50 policing?  Their ghosts will haunt an abandoned Stormont.  Of most pressing concern are alarming prosecutions like this:

"Judgment has been reserved in a judicial review brought by a woman being prosecuted for buying her then 15-year-old daughter abortion pills.
Lawyers for the mother and daughter, who have been granted anonymity, argued the PPS decision to bring criminal charges breaches their human rights.
The woman could face up to a five-year jail term if convicted.
Lord Chief Justice Sir Declan Morgan said the three Judges would give their decision as soon as they could.
Unlike other parts of the UK, terminations are only legal in Northern Ireland to protect the pregnant female's life or if there is a risk of serious damage to her well-being.
The mother faces two charges of unlawfully procuring and supplying drugs with intent to procure a miscarriage, contrary to the 1861 Offences Against the Person Act.
A lawyer representing the Public Prosecution Service told the court on Wednesday that a possible interpretation of the circumstances was that the 15-year-old was "the potential victim of a criminal offence".
Further issues had been raised about the disclosure of information from a GP, and child and adolescent mental health services as part of the police investigation.
Women 'illegally taking abortion pill at home'
Reaction to Supreme Court abortion ruling
Rise in NI women travelling for abortions
Abortion pills prosecution challenge by NI mother adjourned


Media captionThe law on abortion in Northern Ireland explained
According to the prosecution, the doctor's notes contain disputed "hints" that the daughter felt pressured over taking the medication.
It was also argued that a key question was whether the girl was beyond the 10-week mark in her pregnancy when the pills were sought.
The relevant online questionnaire had been filled in by her mother when it should have been completed by the daughter, the court was told.
The Belfast High Court also heard from the Attorney General for Northern Ireland, John Larkin QC.
He said that the case amounted to a "collateral" challenge to the ongoing criminal proceedings.
'Both lives matter'
Mr Larkin argued that the challenge was not merely to the decision to prosecute, it was also in some way founded on the supposed legality of the provisions of the legislation that are being enforced by the PPS.
He told the court an attempt to change Northern Ireland's abortion regime had been "comprehensively rejected" by the Stormont Assembly in February 2016.
He said that "the law in Northern Ireland considers that both lives matter" seeking to protect both the mother and child, and he invited the court to continue to uphold that.
In June, a majority of the Supreme Court Judges said that the current law in NI on abortion was incompatible with Article Eight of the European Convention on Human Rights.
Earlier on Wednesday, the Lord Chief Justice, Sir Declan Morgan, commented that the failure of the legislature to make clear what was to happen as a result of that ruling was "unsatisfactory".
'Procuring and supplying poison'
This is the first time a prosecution relating to Northern Ireland's abortion law has been challenged.
Earlier in the case, it had been claimed that the teenage girl was removed from a classroom and spoken to by police about the abortion pills purchase without her parents knowledge.
But a lawyer for the PSNI responded that the officer involved was focused only on her state of well-being, and never intended to question her.
grey line
How does the law in NI differ from the rest of the UK?
Taking drugs to bring on a miscarriage without doctors' consent is an offence anywhere in the UK under the 1861 act.
But in England, Scotland and Wales, an abortion can be legally carried out up to the 24-week limit and can be legal beyond that limit in cases where the mother's health is threatened or if there is a substantial risk the baby will have serious disabilities.
Women in Northern Ireland only have access to abortions when a woman's life is at risk, or there is a permanent or serious risk to her mental or physical health.
Women in England will be allowed to take an early abortion pill at home, under a government plan due to take effect by the end of the year, bringing the law into line with Scotland and Wales."  (from BBC)


Leaving aside any EU procurement arguments, the fact that some want the Human Rights Act repealed and that the House of Commons is up to its neck in debating EU/ECHR laws they want to ditch, whoever made the decision to prosecute this case should be held to account.




seafoid

Quote from: balladmaker on November 07, 2018, 07:55:47 PM
Barnier playing a blinder in Finland today ... No all-weather backstop, no deal .... over to you Theresa.

And in other news, I see that Sir Jeffrey has stopped colouring his hair, or maybe he's been caught short and is in between colours.
No deal is what the Brexit era in the ERG want.
I think it is all a pantomime at this stage.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Ronnie

Teresa May as Widow Twankey and Nigel Dodds as Aladdin?

seafoid

Quote from: Ronnie on November 08, 2018, 07:49:29 AM
Teresa May as Widow Twankey and Nigel Dodds as Aladdin?
Is she going to accept no deal ?
Oh no she isn't
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU