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Are Republicans commemorating them or the GAA?

If you were familiar with the area, you'd be speedily reassured that it's both.

I never said it was wrong. I said there may be consequences.

Incorrect. You did not say there "may" be consequences. You said there should be consequences (and went as far as to explain that they should be financial ones). Which kinda is saying that it was wrong.

Poppy fascism is a huge problem, but it's state sanctioned, like it or not.

And? Erecting a memorial to Republican Volunteers isn't illegal in the state either. Yet you are saying the club "should be excluded from Stormont funding". So it's not about what is or is not state sanctioned. It's just you, giving your view, on what remembrances/commemorations should face punishment/sanction. As it stands, you are only applying that to this one commemoration for three IRA volunteers. Which is telling. So my question remains the same: Soccer clubs /teams in the north, including the north's own soccer team, wear poppy armbands and hold minutes silences for British war dead. This in spite of Bloody Sunday, Ballymurphy etc. Should they too be stripped of Stormont funding, or should sanctions only exist for commemorations of Republicans?

This is pure whataboutery.

Any club that commemorates in this manner is clearly not cross community and should not be able to tap money for that purpose. It is not comparable with whether we like it or not is a national poppy mess.

Again. They can do what they want on their clubs ground, but give over with the headscratching over why themmuns aren't interested

To be clear, the funding I refer to is the cross community peace and love stuff. A decision was made and a tesult of that decision the club is now a cold house for the PUL community.

What is peoples views on the commemoration in Clonoe?

Up to the club but should exclude them from Stormont funding.

Soccer clubs /teams in the north, including the north's own soccer team, wear poppy armbands and hold minutes silences for British war dead. This in spite of Bloody Sunday, Ballymurphy etc. Should they too be stripped of Stormont funding, or is it the considered view from the good people of Balbriggan, that it's only wrong for Republicans to commemorate their dead in this way?

Are Republicans commemorating them or the GAA?

I never said it was wrong. I said there may be consequences.

Poppy fascism is a huge problem, but it's state sanctioned, like it or not.

What is peoples views on the commemoration in Clonoe?

Why give unionism a stick to beat you with?

but they will continue to beat us down,  doesn't matter what we do.

So don't make it this easy for them.

If I am following correctly, the driver here is GPA have taken on women so the three bodies should match them. For that reason alone I am opposed.

[Mayo ladies know how to win finals]

One of the things this change does is reduce the number of counties administered by the GAA who have never won a senior all Ireland.

Monaghan ladies have 2 all Irelands
Antrim have 6 camogie titles
Mayo ladies know how to win finals

Mayo Ladies have not won an AI in nearly 20 years. It's like saying Galway footballers know how to win AI's?

His point is valid. Where is this assumption the GAA can do it better coming from? It's a bit mansplainy

What is peoples views on the commemoration in Clonoe?

Up to the club but should exclude them from Stormont funding.

Dublin. Not get relegated. Make the AIF.

A GAA pitch is much bigger than those needed for soccer/ruggerball.
And will Paddy pay French tax rates?

Do you not see a municipal sports complex in every village providing facilities for everyone who needs them as a better model than a GAA club building facilities across the road from a soccer one and neither sharing? I was in the sticks recently and saw two 5g astros across across the road from each other in a village of 500. The department should be refusing funds unless they share

What was the french model for facilities bb2?

Every village gets a municipal soccer/rugby pitch, pool and basketball/tennis courts. The bigger the village the bigger the facility, stands get added as needed. Everyone has free access to well maintained local authority sports facilities. Teams get the size they need for the league they end up in.

Thanks Bb2, sounds a Much better model but would work out expensive. Gaa clubs are already doing some of this at a fraction of the cost,

GAA clubs don't share. That's the problem. Most sports infrastructure spending goes to the GAA who, while doing great work within their circle, exclude the rest of the community. You wouldn't design that grant model now.

What was the french model for facilities bb2?

Every village gets a municipal soccer/rugby pitch, pool and basketball/tennis courts. The bigger the village the bigger the facility, stands get added as needed. Everyone has free access to well maintained local authority sports facilities. Teams get the size they need for the league they end up in.

Parnells in Dublin have a fine soccer pitch that they rent out to local soccer.

I've never checked the veracity of this, but a Parnells member told me they are allowed to do it because it was a condition of planning when they built their facilities.

More and more of that is happening as the Department become less embedded. Ultimately that's why the Liam Miller game was held in PUC.

Think of the facilities we as a country could have had if the French model was used

Soccer was held out of Celtic Park when dcfc needed a home , went to Buncrana to play .
Local clubs in city were asked to support Derry city , our club na Magha gave full support, others didnt

Celtic park cannot just be given to Derry city. Did any of these clubs put a motion in Congress that it should be?

And we are back to the old argument. Why should the Derry County Board need congress approval to rent out their facilities?

We then get into mental territory that Ballygunnar 'won' funding for an indoor soccer pitch for the area, as deemed needed, but are excluding soccer from it while paying to maintain a soccer facility.

It's bad enough for the loyalists to have to put up with a conspiratorial cabal of nationalist civil servants, an abundance of gaa jerseys in Queens, nationalists demanding equality,  but the line in the sand is nationalists getting more from the subvention. And if it's the GAA , hell no, that goes against the fiundamental grain of institutionalized Unionist privilege.

You don't need to be a unionist to think it's a bizarre situation to reward the GAA's failure with more money and relaxed planning in order to get a soccer tournament played in a location that hasn't a stadium capable of hosting a soccer tournament.

You're entirely right about that first bit but it wouldn't be uncommon for Governments to subsidise the development of Stadia in an attempt to secure an international event, think Man Citys stadium for the commonwealth games and also West ham at the London Olympics stadium, everyone is a winner in that regard.

On a slightly different issue I only realised that the Ballymena showgrounds are owned and maintained by the local council(ratepayers) as was Inver park in Larne up until the last few years. I wonder what rent they'd be paying and is there any other clubs out there availing of such local council generosity?

Derry City, Shamrock Rovers, Bohemians, Sherbourne....
Soccer free stuff as usual

And every French, Italian and German club, loads of Spanish, Polish and so on. It's standard across Europe. The soccer club as anchor tenents subsidising the mixed use facilities.

Stop looking at soccer exclusively through a British lens.

It's bad enough for the loyalists to have to put up with a conspiratorial cabal of nationalist civil servants, an abundance of gaa jerseys in Queens, nationalists demanding equality,  but the line in the sand is nationalists getting more from the subvention. And if it's the GAA , hell no, that goes against the fiundamental grain of institutionalized Unionist privilege.

You don't need to be a unionist to think it's a bizarre situation to reward the GAA's failure with more money and relaxed planning in order to get a soccer tournament played in a location that hasn't a stadium capable of hosting a soccer tournament.