It's one thing that I think everybody hates to see in soccer and it has been creeping into the GAA recently. The GAA should set an example of what happened today and that fullback should be given a 3/4 match ban. It's totally unacceptable and could well have cost Corofin a place in the final.
It's in the video below for anyone who didn't see it live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E150d_zZVNM
How can it be a dive when he's already lying on the ground you complete muppet!? ;D ::)
Dive / feign injury - same thing
Is there any rule against feigning injury at the moment? This needs to be stamped out before it gets worse and ends up like soccer where it's part and parcel of the game.
Quote from: waterfordlad on February 18, 2018, 07:09:02 PM
Is there any rule against feigning injury at the moment? This needs to be stamped out before it gets worse and ends up like soccer where it's part and parcel of the game.
It can't get any worse as it happens in pretty much every game.
Quote from: slippery dodger on February 17, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
It's one thing that I think everybody hates to see in soccer and it has been creeping into the GAA recently. The GAA should set an example of what happened today and that fullback should be given a 3/4 match ban. It's totally unacceptable and could well have cost Corofin a place in the final.
It's in the video below for anyone who didn't see it live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E150d_zZVNM
Creeping in. Really? It's being in the game for years.
The feigning injury to get a guy sent off by Liam Healy of Moorefield was a very high profile example of this awful carry on. One would sincerely hope that someone would have a word or two with him. Delighted they lost the match. The rulebook has a clear rule about conduct that brings discredit to the association (with wide ranging powers to take action based on an investigation) - if that kind of behaviour doesn't fit the definition then I don't know what does.
Donegal at it Saturday night. Several times players were checked for concussion with clearly nothing wrong with them.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 18, 2018, 09:23:15 PM
The feigning injury to get a guy sent off by Liam Healy of Moorefield was a very high profile example of this awful carry on. One would sincerely hope that someone would have a word or two with him. Delighted they lost the match. The rulebook has a clear rule about conduct that brings discredit to the association (with wide ranging powers to take action based on an investigation) - if that kind of behaviour doesn't fit the definition then I don't know what does.
Yet wasn't clear enough to get Tiernan McCann suspended?
I recall Lundy from Corofin a while back being responsible for one of the worst dives in recent years.
Creeping in? Sure Sean Cavanagh's been doing it for twenty years and has just retired . . . a bit late with this thread!!
It's down to the ref to sort it out! If he's close enough to the play then he'd know and dish out a card for feigning an injury!
what's more annoying is he'd four umpires and two linesmen plus a fourth official doing the time, how any of them didn't have a word is beyond me! They are all wired and chat continually throughout the game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2018, 11:10:46 PM
It's down to the ref to sort it out! If he's close enough to the play then he'd know and dish out a card for feigning an injury!
what's more annoying is he'd four umpires and two linesmen plus a fourth official doing the time, how any of them didn't have a word is beyond me! They are all wired and chat continually throughout the game
Was it not the linesmans version of events that got Farragher sent off? I was at the game and thought I saw them conferring about it at the time.
In fairness, I think it's very difficult for the ref to adjudicate on 'feigning a foul or injury' in real-time.
However, if Farragher's red card is overturned, by default the Moorefield full-back is guilty of the above and should be dealt with accordingly.
Monkey does what monkey sees, bloody Ulster football and Tyrone ruining the game.
Culturally among players, it's an acceptable form of cheating.
Every team in history has feigned injury in the closing minutes of a match when protecting a lead.
Every team has players who react to a dig by lying down, just as every team will have players who react with red mist, and most teams will have players who know how to target red mist opponents.
Most teams will have some variation of the momentum killer policy, whereby a key player crumbles in a heap, if 2, 3 or 4 consecutive scores are conceded.
So if all (or, at least, nearly all) teams are guilty of abusing the rulebook in this regard, and can't really condem other teams for it, then it's pretty much impossible for a referee to control it.
Hence it's a cultural problem. One of which I'd have no clue how to fix.
Manliness 101.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T24eXGRZKv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T24eXGRZKv4)
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2018, 09:13:03 AM
In fairness, I think it's very difficult for the ref to adjudicate on 'feigning a foul or injury' in real-time.
However, if Farragher's red card is overturned, by default the Moorefield full-back is guilty of the above and should be dealt with accordingly.
The punishment for feigning injury is a yellow card. I'm sure the full back won't be too concerned about getting a retrospective yellow card!!
I'm going to be the devils advocate here and ask did he feign injury?
Is it possible that Farraghers knee/leg connected with his head somewhat and he got injured as a result? BTW I'm not suggesting it was a sending off because it certainly wasn't.
I'm just asking if the above is a possibility?
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
I'm going to be the devils advocate here and ask did he feign injury?
Is it possible that Farraghers knee/leg connected with his head somewhat and he got injured as a result? BTW I'm not suggesting it was a sending off because it certainly wasn't.
I'm just asking if the above is a possibility?
If his knee/leg had connected it is possible. But it is clear there was no contact
Quote from: Taylor on February 19, 2018, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
I'm going to be the devils advocate here and ask did he feign injury?
Is it possible that Farraghers knee/leg connected with his head somewhat and he got injured as a result? BTW I'm not suggesting it was a sending off because it certainly wasn't.
I'm just asking if the above is a possibility?
If his knee/leg had connected it is possible. But it is clear there was no contact
I don't think anyone could say with a degree of certainty that there was no contact.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2018, 11:08:14 AM
Manliness 101.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T24eXGRZKv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T24eXGRZKv4)
He was sent off though, talk about a fussy ref.
In Ulster where real manliness was respected by the ref, that would be regarded as a tickle to the face.
Monaghan's Michael O'Dowd's right hook, Ulster final 1988.
https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244 (https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244)
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2018, 11:10:46 PM
It's down to the ref to sort it out! If he's close enough to the play then he'd know and dish out a card for feigning an injury!
what's more annoying is he'd four umpires and two linesmen plus a fourth official doing the time, how any of them didn't have a word is beyond me! They are all wired and chat continually throughout the game
Was it not the linesmans version of events that got Farragher sent off? I was at the game and thought I saw them conferring about it at the time.
They'll always speak to someone else just to see what angle they got on it. I've ref'd a game where 2 men were sent off for striking (different times) and it was the linesmen that brought it to my attention, straight red no compalining either, but I was aware of it until the linesman signalled me, but in this case I thought the ref had a good view on it..
If there was VAR at these games then you'd be sorted.. I hope the GAA doesnt go down that route to be honest, Hawkeye is fine, but as a ref I would hate to stop start a game
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 19, 2018, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
I'm going to be the devils advocate here and ask did he feign injury?
Is it possible that Farraghers knee/leg connected with his head somewhat and he got injured as a result? BTW I'm not suggesting it was a sending off because it certainly wasn't.
I'm just asking if the above is a possibility?
If his knee/leg had connected it is possible. But it is clear there was no contact
I don't think anyone could say with a degree of certainty that there was no contact.
Yeah, it's hard to see but initially I gave him the benefit of the doubt as they only had footage from one angle which wasn't great.
Any contact at all with your head tends to result in a pretty visceral response.
I got a slight, glancing blow off a cupboard door the other day and I let a roar that would wake the dead.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 19, 2018, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
I'm going to be the devils advocate here and ask did he feign injury?
Is it possible that Farraghers knee/leg connected with his head somewhat and he got injured as a result? BTW I'm not suggesting it was a sending off because it certainly wasn't.
I'm just asking if the above is a possibility?
If his knee/leg had connected it is possible. But it is clear there was no contact
I don't think anyone could say with a degree of certainty that there was no contact.
Yeah, it's hard to see but initially I gave him the benefit of the doubt as they only had footage from one angle which wasn't great.
Any contact at all with your head tends to result in a pretty visceral response.
I got a slight, glancing blow off a cupboard door the other day and I let a roar that would wake the dead.
did your Mrs send off the door though ???
She accused me of feigning injury.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 19, 2018, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
I'm going to be the devils advocate here and ask did he feign injury?
Is it possible that Farraghers knee/leg connected with his head somewhat and he got injured as a result? BTW I'm not suggesting it was a sending off because it certainly wasn't.
I'm just asking if the above is a possibility?
If his knee/leg had connected it is possible. But it is clear there was no contact
I don't think anyone could say with a degree of certainty that there was no contact.
Yeah, it's hard to see but initially I gave him the benefit of the doubt as they only had footage from one angle which wasn't great.
Any contact at all with your head tends to result in a pretty visceral response.
I got a slight, glancing blow off a cupboard door the other day and I let a roar that would wake the dead.
That would be my thinking on it too. A glance of a knee can be sore and now with all the head injury issues then the physio's were more than careful just in case. I think the player here is being wrongly vilified.
The ref simply messed up.
a ref should never send off a player for some thing he or a linesman are not 100% sure they saw and they could not have seen a blow to the head in this case .
they just assumed by the players reaction.
what really swung it for me were hr team mate standing beside the incident they made one half harted appeal . had he really got a blow their reaction would have be a lot more pronounced and direct
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
a ref should never send off a player for some thing he or a linesman are not 100% sure they saw and they could not have seen a blow to the head in this case .
they just assumed by the players reaction.
what really swung it for me were hr team mate standing beside the incident they made one half harted appeal . had he really got a blow their reaction would have be a lot more pronounced and direct
I just think there is no telling from the footage that the player did not get a blow to the head however accidental it may have been.
Obviously the Moorefield lads are coming out defending their player and saying he was glanced by the knee. They are very riled by ray Silke calling him out, which is a bit rich considering Lundy was one of the worst I've ever seen.
On top of that, on Saturday a Corofin man went down holding his face when he gort hit in the chest along the sideline. Ray didn't comment on that either.
What I am saying is that no team can jump on the high horse here. Most clubs and counties have lads that will go down holding their heads while peeking out the side of their eye waiting to see the colour of the card.
It's nothing new either and if they imposed the rules across the board it might stop, or just cause a shitshow of appeals...
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
a ref should never send off a player for some thing he or a linesman are not 100% sure they saw and they could not have seen a blow to the head in this case .
they just assumed by the players reaction.
what really swung it for me were hr team mate standing beside the incident they made one half harted appeal . had he really got a blow their reaction would have be a lot more pronounced and direct
I just think there is no telling from the footage that the player did not get a blow to the head however accidental it may have been.
Actually I think it's fairly clear from the footage that there was zero contact with the head.
No big mystery here. The player conned the ref (or the linesman). It happens.
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Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
a ref should never send off a player for some thing he or a linesman are not 100% sure they saw and they could not have seen a blow to the head in this case .
they just assumed by the players reaction.
what really swung it for me were hr team mate standing beside the incident they made one half harted appeal . had he really got a blow their reaction would have be a lot more pronounced and direct
I just think there is no telling from the footage that the player did not get a blow to the head however accidental it may have been.
Actually I think it's fairly clear from the footage that there was zero contact with the head.
No big mystery here. The player conned the ref (or the linesman). It happens.
I agree with this. Its what it looked like to me
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
a ref should never send off a player for some thing he or a linesman are not 100% sure they saw and they could not have seen a blow to the head in this case .
they just assumed by the players reaction.
what really swung it for me were hr team mate standing beside the incident they made one half harted appeal . had he really got a blow their reaction would have be a lot more pronounced and direct
I just think there is no telling from the footage that the player did not get a blow to the head however accidental it may have been.
Actually I think it's fairly clear from the footage that there was zero contact with the head.
No big mystery here. The player conned the ref (or the linesman). It happens.
Well you must have viewed different footage to me so. Because on the TG4 footage it is inconclusive.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
a ref should never send off a player for some thing he or a linesman are not 100% sure they saw and they could not have seen a blow to the head in this case .
they just assumed by the players reaction.
what really swung it for me were hr team mate standing beside the incident they made one half harted appeal . had he really got a blow their reaction would have be a lot more pronounced and direct
I just think there is no telling from the footage that the player did not get a blow to the head however accidental it may have been.
Actually I think it's fairly clear from the footage that there was zero contact with the head.
No big mystery here. The player conned the ref (or the linesman). It happens.
Well you must have viewed different footage to me so. Because on the TG4 footage it is inconclusive.
So if by your own admission it is inconclusive why would he have been sent off?
What's not inconclusive is the two(!) exaggerated collapses. Always the giveaway.
Quote from: Taylor on February 19, 2018, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 19, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
a ref should never send off a player for some thing he or a linesman are not 100% sure they saw and they could not have seen a blow to the head in this case .
they just assumed by the players reaction.
what really swung it for me were hr team mate standing beside the incident they made one half harted appeal . had he really got a blow their reaction would have be a lot more pronounced and direct
I just think there is no telling from the footage that the player did not get a blow to the head however accidental it may have been.
Actually I think it's fairly clear from the footage that there was zero contact with the head.
No big mystery here. The player conned the ref (or the linesman). It happens.
Well you must have viewed different footage to me so. Because on the TG4 footage it is inconclusive.
So if by your own admission it is inconclusive why would he have been sent off?
He shouldn't have been sent off. But there is a possibility his knee glanced off the full backs head. Nothing malicious in it at all.
Quote from: Hardy on February 19, 2018, 02:10:07 PM
What's not inconclusive is the two(!) exaggerated collapses. Always the giveaway.
Ah come on now. The chap was on the ground anyway so how can you say he exaggerated a collapse. Twice.
Anyway I see we'll never agree on it. I just happen to think the player is getting abuse when there was a possibility that he did actually get a knock to the head.
But it seems people have him hung drawn and quartered already. It's not as if it's Johnny Cooper/Michael Shields/Aidan O'Mahony/Tiernan McCann type incident.
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 02:23:32 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 19, 2018, 02:10:07 PM
What's not inconclusive is the two(!) exaggerated collapses. Always the giveaway.
Ah come on now. The chap was on the ground anyway so how can you say he exaggerated a collapse. Twice.
Anyway I see we'll never agree on it. I just happen to think the player is getting abuse when there was a possibility that he did actually get a knock to the head.
But it seems people have him hung drawn and quartered already. It's not as if it's Johnny Cooper/Michael Shields/Aidan O'Mahony/Tiernan McCann type incident.
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Its just as bad to be fair. He didnt get touched - rolled around holding his head and has got a lad a straight red in an AI semi final
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Quote from: Hardy on February 19, 2018, 02:10:07 PM
What's not inconclusive is the two(!) exaggerated collapses. Always the giveaway.
Ah come on now. The chap was on the ground anyway so how can you say he exaggerated a collapse. Twice.
Anyway I see we'll never agree on it. I just happen to think the player is getting abuse when there was a possibility that he did actually get a knock to the head.
But it seems people have him hung drawn and quartered already. It's not as if it's Johnny Cooper/Michael Shields/Aidan O'Mahony/Tiernan McCann type incident.
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Its just as bad to be fair. He didnt get touched - rolled around holding his head and has got a lad a straight red in an AI semi final
You're not a bit dramatic or anything.
He didn't roll around. He just lay there on the ground. But that doesn't sound as good.
Not sure what angle you're looking at mup but I think it's very clear there was no contact and even if there was it was to the back on the head behind the ear. At no point did he put his hand to the area he might have been hit and instead put his hands to his face. His reaction is totally unnatural to the bang he might have got but almost certainly didn't.
While the carry on of players is an embarrassment the behaviour of supporters is worse. We have long been apologists for players feigning injury and exaggerating the level of pain when they do get a bit of a hit. We are creating the environment where this stuff is becoming acceptable. I soccer, a guy who dives to win a free is no longer diving if there 'was contact'. That's BS and we are going down the same road.
Not having a go at you mup by the way, just commenting on a general trend that isn't helping our game.
But Zulu, never mind apologists. Ray Silke called the man out on Twitter but will happily ignore his own clubmen doing it.
If we are calling it out we need to all call it out. We can't just attack the opposition when one of your own is doing it too.
As I said in the first half, not long after the red, a Corofin man went down holding his face when hit in the chest.
What's the difference in terms of the player's actions??
Quote from: Zulu on February 19, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Not sure what angle you're looking at mup but I think it's very clear there was no contact and even if there was it was to the back on the head behind the ear. At no point did he put his hand to the area he might have been hit and instead put his hands to his face. His reaction is totally unnatural to the bang he might have got but almost certainly didn't.
While the carry on of players is an embarrassment the behaviour of supporters is worse. We have long been apologists for players feigning injury and exaggerating the level of pain when they do get a bit of a hit. We are creating the environment where this stuff is becoming acceptable. I soccer, a guy who dives to win a free is no longer diving if there 'was contact'. That's BS and we are going down the same road.
Not having a go at you mup by the way, just commenting on a general trend that isn't helping our game.
Ah no that's fair enough.
Maybe I'm being naïve here but I'm genuine when I say that there
could have been contact on his head. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the player on the ground. There are only two people can answer the question with any degree of certainty and thats Farragher and the Moorefield player.
Look I hate diving too. Its creeping more and more into the game and the more obvious ones I've pointed out above. What can be done about it I don't know.
Whether he did or didn't feign injury, the 'grabbed the wrong part of his head' theory always puzzles me.
I've seen lads immediately grab their face after getting a bad bang on the back of the head.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 19, 2018, 03:33:58 PM
But Zulu, never mind apologists. Ray Silke called the man out on Twitter but will happily ignore his own clubmen doing it.
If we are calling it out we need to all call it out. We can't just attack the opposition when one of your own is doing it too.
As I said in the first half, not long after the red, a Corofin man went down holding his face when hit in the chest.
What's the difference in terms of the player's actions??
Agree 100%, all of it should be called out.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2018, 03:52:02 PM
Whether he did or didn't feign injury, the 'grabbed the wrong part of his head' theory always puzzles me.
I've seen lads immediately grab their face after getting a bad bang on the back of the head.
Really? Can't say I've ever seen that myself. I've never seen a guy hit in the back of the head never put his hand on the area even just to check for a cut or something. On top of that, if there was contact to the head, it wasn't a bad bang so holding your face and never even giving the back of the head a rub seems entirely unnatural to me.
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 19, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Not sure what angle you're looking at mup but I think it's very clear there was no contact and even if there was it was to the back on the head behind the ear. At no point did he put his hand to the area he might have been hit and instead put his hands to his face. His reaction is totally unnatural to the bang he might have got but almost certainly didn't.
While the carry on of players is an embarrassment the behaviour of supporters is worse. We have long been apologists for players feigning injury and exaggerating the level of pain when they do get a bit of a hit. We are creating the environment where this stuff is becoming acceptable. I soccer, a guy who dives to win a free is no longer diving if there 'was contact'. That's BS and we are going down the same road.
Not having a go at you mup by the way, just commenting on a general trend that isn't helping our game.
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Ah no that's fair enough.
Maybe I'm being naïve here but I'm genuine when I say that there could have been contact on his head. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the player on the ground. There are only two people can answer the question with any degree of certainty and thats Farragher and the Moorefield player.
That is the type of thinking that could lead to an innocent player missing an All-Ireland final for no reason at all. The TV pictures speak for themselves.
Whatever about punishing the Moorefield player, Farragher missing the final would be scandalous.
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Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 19, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Not sure what angle you're looking at mup but I think it's very clear there was no contact and even if there was it was to the back on the head behind the ear. At no point did he put his hand to the area he might have been hit and instead put his hands to his face. His reaction is totally unnatural to the bang he might have got but almost certainly didn't.
While the carry on of players is an embarrassment the behaviour of supporters is worse. We have long been apologists for players feigning injury and exaggerating the level of pain when they do get a bit of a hit. We are creating the environment where this stuff is becoming acceptable. I soccer, a guy who dives to win a free is no longer diving if there 'was contact'. That's BS and we are going down the same road.
Not having a go at you mup by the way, just commenting on a general trend that isn't helping our game.
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Ah no that's fair enough.
Maybe I'm being naïve here but I'm genuine when I say that there could have been contact on his head. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the player on the ground. There are only two people can answer the question with any degree of certainty and thats Farragher and the Moorefield player.
That is the type of thinking that could lead to an innocent player missing an All-Ireland final for no reason at all. The TV pictures speak for themselves.
Whatever about punishing the Moorefield player, Farragher missing the final would be scandalous.
Ive said it twice already that Farragher did not deserve to be sent off. IF there was contact made then it was not on purpose.
Amazing how the ref is more or less getting away with this.
Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 06:23:45 PM
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Quote from: mup on February 19, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 19, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Not sure what angle you're looking at mup but I think it's very clear there was no contact and even if there was it was to the back on the head behind the ear. At no point did he put his hand to the area he might have been hit and instead put his hands to his face. His reaction is totally unnatural to the bang he might have got but almost certainly didn't.
While the carry on of players is an embarrassment the behaviour of supporters is worse. We have long been apologists for players feigning injury and exaggerating the level of pain when they do get a bit of a hit. We are creating the environment where this stuff is becoming acceptable. I soccer, a guy who dives to win a free is no longer diving if there 'was contact'. That's BS and we are going down the same road.
Not having a go at you mup by the way, just commenting on a general trend that isn't helping our game.
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Ah no that's fair enough.
Maybe I'm being naïve here but I'm genuine when I say that there could have been contact on his head. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the player on the ground. There are only two people can answer the question with any degree of certainty and thats Farragher and the Moorefield player.
That is the type of thinking that could lead to an innocent player missing an All-Ireland final for no reason at all. The TV pictures speak for themselves.
Whatever about punishing the Moorefield player, Farragher missing the final would be scandalous.
Ive said it twice already that Farragher did not deserve to be sent off. IF there was contact made then it was not on purpose.
Amazing how the ref is more or less getting away with this.
He'll be assessed I'm sure by the assessor who would have been there for that type of game, and with that type of incident then it will i hope be checked and as there was no contact from what i can see then he should be free to play the final... What the ref seen from his angle backed up by the linesman is why he got the red, it wasnt the right call but they went with what they thought happened based on what they seen!
All referees are told that if you you didnt see it you cant call it.... If i was refereeing and I happened to turn my vision from a tackle and heard an almighty crack of a hurl and seen a man lying with his head split open and just one player standing over him I should give a red, as there could be no doubting what happened, but I'm not sure that's allowed, as it could have been an accidental collision..
do you go with your gut feeling or by the rules?
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Quote from: Zulu on February 19, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Not sure what angle you're looking at mup but I think it's very clear there was no contact and even if there was it was to the back on the head behind the ear. At no point did he put his hand to the area he might have been hit and instead put his hands to his face. His reaction is totally unnatural to the bang he might have got but almost certainly didn't.
While the carry on of players is an embarrassment the behaviour of supporters is worse. We have long been apologists for players feigning injury and exaggerating the level of pain when they do get a bit of a hit. We are creating the environment where this stuff is becoming acceptable. I soccer, a guy who dives to win a free is no longer diving if there 'was contact'. That's BS and we are going down the same road.
Not having a go at you mup by the way, just commenting on a general trend that isn't helping our game.
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Ah no that's fair enough.
Maybe I'm being naïve here but I'm genuine when I say that there could have been contact on his head. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the player on the ground. There are only two people can answer the question with any degree of certainty and thats Farragher and the Moorefield player.
That is the type of thinking that could lead to an innocent player missing an All-Ireland final for no reason at all. The TV pictures speak for themselves.
Whatever about punishing the Moorefield player, Farragher missing the final would be scandalous.
Ive said it twice already that Farragher did not deserve to be sent off. IF there was contact made then it was not on purpose.
Amazing how the ref is more or less getting away with this.
Did the ref make the decision himself or did the linesman or umpires help?
Was just speaking to a Galway man who was at that game. He is not a Corofin man but was beside one at the match. He was in line with the incident and stated that he is 100% sure that Farragher kneed the Moorefield player in the head. He also said it was deliberate. And he added that the Corofin man beside him said straight after the incident that Farragher could be in trouble for this. So obviously he had saw something in it too.
Make of that what you want.
Quote from: mup on February 20, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Was just speaking to a Galway man who was at that game. He is not a Corofin man but was beside one at the match. He was in line with the incident and stated that he is 100% sure that Farragher kneed the Moorefield player in the head. He also said it was deliberate. And he added that the Corofin man beside him said straight after the incident that Farragher could be in trouble for this. So obviously he had saw something in it too.
Make of that what you want.
Did he happen to mention who shot JFK as well?
Quote from: mup on February 20, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Was just speaking to a Galway man who was at that game. He is not a Corofin man but was beside one at the match. He was in line with the incident and stated that he is 100% sure that Farragher kneed the Moorefield player in the head. He also said it was deliberate. And he added that the Corofin man beside him said straight after the incident that Farragher could be in trouble for this. So obviously he had saw something in it too.
Make of that what you want.
Farragher's lack of protest about the sending off made me think that there must have been contact but the TG4 camera angle looked like no contact was made and Healy's reaction on then ground did not coincide with any potential blind side contact.
I thought Healy was acting the maggot watching it on TG4 but a few of the Moorefield players including Cian O'Connor were tweeting that he was clipped and that he has the lump to prove it. If there was contact, it certainly wasn't intentional and if the powers that be have any cop on they'll let Farragher play in Croke Park.
I thought the player initially didn't make contact but the other moorefield player knocked him and he did make some after that. Outside his control though.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 20, 2018, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: mup on February 20, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Was just speaking to a Galway man who was at that game. He is not a Corofin man but was beside one at the match. He was in line with the incident and stated that he is 100% sure that Farragher kneed the Moorefield player in the head. He also said it was deliberate. And he added that the Corofin man beside him said straight after the incident that Farragher could be in trouble for this. So obviously he had saw something in it too.
Make of that what you want.
Did he happen to mention who shot JFK as well?
Good intelligent response. I couldnt care less if you don't believe me. The man told me this. Why would he make that up?