Papal Visit to Ireland

[Itchy]

Any solutions Itchy?

Yeh - Colm O Gorman from Amnesty, an abuse survivor, said it well, open up the files and invite the media of the world to come and examine. Stop all government funding of the catholic church until it is done. Of course the problem is half the vatican will probably be incriminated as they knew full well what has gone on.

Fast track the removal of church from schools/hospitals.
Fund church by adding a % tax onto people who sign up to it like they do in Germany. However you only get the wedding/confirmation etc if you are signed up.
Arrest Bishops and charge for withholding information on serious crimes.
Arrest pope and interview next time he sets foot on Irish soil.

Make this man president...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4&t=46s

[seafoid]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/28/religion-ireland-catholicism-abusers

The pope has flown home after a roughing-up in Ireland. Just a few years ago it was unimaginable that a gay taoiseach would dare berate a visiting pontiff face-to-face about the "dark aspects" of Ireland's history and "brutal crimes perpetrated by people within the Catholic church


Leo Varadkar's magnificent assault eviscerated his country's past cultural capture by the church. "The failures of both church and state and wider society created a bitter and broken heritage for so many, leaving a legacy of pain and suffering," he said. "It is a history of sorrow and shame." The sorrow is not just for victims of monstrous priestly abuse, but the abuse of an entire society in thrall to clerical oppression: lives crimped, warped and blighted, no escape from the church's domination of everything. The best Irish literature breathes that pernicious incense.

Apology without radical action has left unassuaged the anger of Irish abuse victims. The church's doctrine in the confessional offers no forgiveness without a contrition that prevents future occasions of sin. But for as long as this church is perverted by warped dogma on sexuality, abuse will be rife and secretive. The fetishism of a celibate priesthood will attract abusers and paedophiles. Expect no real change while morbid obsession with sex, contraception and abortion still perpetuate St Paul's founding sexual disgust.

Who would expect Ireland to blaze the secular trail? The hard lesson it has learned from an overpowering church is one we should learn too. Wherever people are in the power of priests, imams and spiritual leaders, the state has a duty to inspect what's happening to the hidden-away children and women under their power. The Irish lesson is less respect for religion, and more instinctive suspicion.

[seafoid]

Any solutions Itchy?

Yeh - Colm O Gorman from Amnesty, an abuse survivor, said it well, open up the files and invite the media of the world to come and examine. Stop all government funding of the catholic church until it is done. Of course the problem is half the vatican will probably be incriminated as they knew full well what has gone on.

Fast track the removal of church from schools/hospitals.
Fund church by adding a % tax onto people who sign up to it like they do in Germany. However you only get the wedding/confirmation etc if you are signed up.
Arrest Bishops and charge for withholding information on serious crimes.
Arrest pope and interview next time he sets foot on Irish soil.

Make this man president...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4&t=46s

That video is hard to watch

Meanwhile

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/after-disappointment-of-popes-visit-i-want-taoiseach-to-let-me-name-my-abuser-says-survivor-37262460.html

[Applesisapples]

I think the Church needs to be completely reformed root and branch, opened up to women priests and married priests as a start. If it was a business you'd close it down, sack the bad staff and open up under another name. It's not enough to say things are different now, the church is no longer a reflection of its people and whilst there are so many good men who have sacrificed their lives and human relationships and ministered faithfully, they have been betrayed by the abusers at all levels and the governments and bishops that protected them. It is no wonder attendances ar at an alltime low and that many who adhere to Catholic faith do so from home and not the pews. Action speaks louder than apologies, and there are way more of the latter than the former.

[seafoid]

Abuse is incredibly expensive. One rapist can poison the work of hundreds of people.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/child-molester-surgeons-victims-to-be-spared-court-37258939.html

The so-called "Shine fund" was set up by agreement with the religious order when the hospital was purchased by the former North Eastern Health Board in 1997.

At the time, State authorities were aware of around 60 complaints against Shine and wanted to be indemnified by the Medical Missionaries of Mary against potential claims.
Under the agreement, some IR£1.6m of the IR£5.5m purchase price was set aside so the order could pay damages and costs arising from future claims.