Can't be having foreign games on GAA grounds... :o unbelievable double standards from the GAA.
http://www.longfordleader.ie/news/local-news/202330/Longford-GAA-club-to-appeal-.html
Here we go again. If we have a problem with a rule, the answer is not to condemn the application of the rule. The answer is to try to have the rule changed.
I think the point is that this club are being hammered for what several clubs also do (and are not being hammered for). As you say, the rule is daft.
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 05, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
I think the point is that this club are being hammered for what several clubs also do (and are not being hammered for). As you say, the rule is daft.
That other people get away with it is hardly a defence.
This club could have proposed a change of rule at any time through the congress. Instead they knowingly chose to break it, so they shouldn't be whining.
that it is done in Croke Park is not a bad defence but the the suits are too busy whuring the Association to SKY sports
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 05, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
I think the point is that this club are being hammered for what several clubs also do (and are not being hammered for). As you say, the rule is daft.
That other people get away with it is hardly a defence.
This club could have proposed a change of rule at any time through the congress. Instead they knowingly chose to break it, so they shouldn't be whining.
+1.
Mind you the GAA's history of "flexible rules" usually means the "units" feel they can get around anything.
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
that it is done in Croke Park is not a bad defence but the the suits are too busy whuring the Association to SKY sports
Congress voted to open Croke Park, it did not vote to open clubs in Longford, as you well know.
Think the GAA in general needs an overhaul on rules. Some of the wishy washy shite on nationalism especially needs to be revised
Who'd be easier to understand, a Longford farmer or Jamie Carragher?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
that it is done in Croke Park is not a bad defence but the the suits are too busy whuring the Association to SKY sports
Congress voted to open Croke Park, it did not vote to open clubs in Longford, as you well know.
total double standards hitting the clubs as usual. Grab All Association mindset continues.
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
that it is done in Croke Park is not a bad defence but the the suits are too busy whuring the Association to SKY sports
Congress voted to open Croke Park, it did not vote to open clubs in Longford, as you well know.
total double standards hitting the clubs as usual. Grab All Association mindset continues.
Isn't not opening club grounds to all sports the exact opposite of 'Grab All'?
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2016, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
that it is done in Croke Park is not a bad defence but the the suits are too busy whuring the Association to SKY sports
Congress voted to open Croke Park, it did not vote to open clubs in Longford, as you well know.
total double standards hitting the clubs as usual. Grab All Association mindset continues.
Isn't not opening club grounds to all sports the exact opposite of 'Grab All'?
sure they dont want clubs to benefit.... is all about keeping the suits and GPA...
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 05, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
I think the point is that this club are being hammered for what several clubs also do (and are not being hammered for). As you say, the rule is daft.
That other people get away with it is hardly a defence.
This club could have proposed a change of rule at any time through the congress. Instead they knowingly chose to break it, so they shouldn't be whining.
Billy is not offering a defense, neither was the club in the article. The club have already admitted the infraction. I assume they are taking umbrage over the imposition of such a large fine and have the right to argue an appeal.
Is the argument, that loads of clubs deviate from the rental rules in order to raise finance, a mitigation factor for reducing the fine? I don't know..
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2016, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
that it is done in Croke Park is not a bad defence but the the suits are too busy whuring the Association to SKY sports
Congress voted to open Croke Park, it did not vote to open clubs in Longford, as you well know.
total double standards hitting the clubs as usual. Grab All Association mindset continues.
Isn't not opening club grounds to all sports the exact opposite of 'Grab All'?
sure they dont want clubs to benefit.... is all about keeping the suits and GPA...
It's of no monetary gain to either of those parties for a club in Longford to have their doors closed. Grab All just doesn't fit I nthis context at all. You can't have it both ways.
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2016, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 05, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
that it is done in Croke Park is not a bad defence but the the suits are too busy whuring the Association to SKY sports
Congress voted to open Croke Park, it did not vote to open clubs in Longford, as you well know.
total double standards hitting the clubs as usual. Grab All Association mindset continues.
Isn't not opening club grounds to all sports the exact opposite of 'Grab All'?
sure they dont want clubs to benefit.... is all about keeping the suits and GPA...
Paranoia or what?
All clubs in Longford were well aware of problems regarding letting their grounds for purposes other than those apprved by rule .Insurance is the big problem as the GAA insurance only covers approved GAA activities. It wouldn't surprise me if the complaints regarding the soccer camp came fron within the club itself as while a lot of people were aware of the event in the county especially with all the photos which appeared in the Leader it created no debate to the rights or wrongs of the matter . It wasn't raised at any county board meeting to my knowledge
Apparently it was raised by a Cavan GAA club.
Quote from: The Insider on February 05, 2016, 04:19:20 PM
All clubs in Longford were well aware of problems regarding letting their grounds for purposes other than those apprved by rule .Insurance is the big problem as the GAA insurance only covers approved GAA activities. It wouldn't surprise me if the complaints regarding the soccer camp came fron within the club itself as while a lot of people were aware of the event in the county especially with all the photos which appeared in the Leader it created no debate to the rights or wrongs of the matter . It wasn't raised at any county board meeting to my knowledge
The local soccer club has been openly renting facilities from Dromard for ages, a situation I'd say is replicated in many towns around the country. I suppose they would have their own insurance.
If nobody snitches on it, then the GAA don't see it.
A lot of GAA clubs I know with Astro Turf pitches are due a fine so.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2016, 07:17:01 PM
A lot of GAA clubs I know with Astro Turf pitches are due a fine so.
Or showing soccer in their bars.
It's 2016 ffs
People have to live their lives and communities work together.
I'd rather work with a local soccer or rugby club than pull against them and bring as many kids as possible along.
If clubs are serious about kids playing sports, instead of rhetoric.
What a silly rule. Time it was scrapped. I'm sure the insurance issue can be sorted out. If clubs can earn an extra bit of money from soccer then what harm? What good does it do having a facility sitting idle? Sure sedentary lifestyles and obesity are big enough problems without the GAA getting in the way of people playing sport of whatever stripe. If people are going out and playing soccer then good luck to them, whatever floats your boat. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to play soccer, and getting in the way of it isn't going to do anything to help the growth of Gaelic games.
Out of interest how much did they fine Antrim, for the use of Casement Park for a internment rally a few years back
total double standards to use Croke park for American football, concerts, soccer, Gaelic, then fine any other party for trying to follow
The real reason behind it is there no money in it for them outside of issuing fines. Why half these ancient relics are never voted out on county boards and the heirachy at congress i can`t figure.
Back in the day of the "ban", I have a faint memory of a photograph in some paper of Mick O'Connell attending a soccer game in Flower Lodge. And I thought what can the GAA do about that?
I thought how could the petty minded in GAA take on Micko, it was no fair fight, sure enough no one was foolish enough to, even though the evidence was brazen. The rule was changed a year or so later, despite 6 county histrionics.
I know there was so much activity done to change GAA thinking on the ban but that single photograph of Micko just encapsulated the stupidity of the rule.
Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
Back in the day of the "ban", I have a faint memory of a photograph in some paper of Mick O'Connell attending a soccer game in Flower Lodge. And I thought what can the GAA do about that?
I thought how could the petty minded in GAA take on Micko, it was no fair fight, sure enough no one was foolish enough to, even though the evidence was brazen. The rule was changed a year or so later, despite 6 county histrionics.
I know there was so much activity done to change GAA thinking on the ban but that single photograph of Micko just encapsulated the stupidity of the rule.
You had the Mick Mackey technique. Mick fancied attending some rugby internationals and the like, so the GAA appointed him as an inspector to go to the game and see who else was there.
Can the fundamentalist farce factor get any lower for the GAA over this rule?
Jamie Carragher is on hand to clear GAA club's fine for holding soccer school
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/exliverpool-defender-jamie-carragher-is-on-hand-to-clear-gaa-clubs-fine-for-holding-soccer-school-34459902.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/exliverpool-defender-jamie-carragher-is-on-hand-to-clear-gaa-clubs-fine-for-holding-soccer-school-34459902.html)
"Jamie Carragher has stepped in to pay the controversial fine handed down by the GAA to a club that helped stage one of the former Liverpool skipper's soccer schools."
More fodder for the Anti-GAA brigade.
This makes the GAA look backwards and narrow minded
- its time to wake up and stop the nonsense Aodhan & CO.
Feck Dromard.
It was a ground that was funded in part by Croke Park. True they got other funding but they took the CP money so they had to follow the rules as per the rule book. As Hardy said earlier dems the rules and the rules not there for an 'a la carte' choice.
They got a letter from Croke Park seeking clarification on the event. Rather than admit what happened and explain the circumstances they sent back to Croke Park the equivalent of an "Eff Off and mind your business" letter. Had they gone about their business in a more dimplomatic manner it could have been resolved amicably without any fines and a wee slap on the wrist.
They also organised the event without any insurance. Where would they be if there was an incident with a child getting injured. Would the club go to Jamie Carragher looking for him to fund the hospital treatment? Or go cap-in-hand to the GAA.
As I said feck them.
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Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 18, 2016, 05:28:52 PM
Feck Dromard.
It was a ground that was funded in part by Croke Park. True they got other funding but they took the CP money so they had to follow the rules as per the rule book. As Hardy said earlier dems the rules and the rules not there for an 'a la carte' choice.
Of course Dromard broke a rule, they have admitted that. Whose whining about that? And they have to follow the rules regardless of where the funding for the ground came from. The fact they received some funding from the GAA changes nothing. Or do you think a club doesn't have to follow the club constitution because it happened to be independently funded? All clubs are 100% subject to the GAA club constitution.
Or do you have the idea that strict adherence to the GAA constitution is a purchased concept?
QuoteThey got a letter from Croke Park seeking clarification on the event. Rather than admit what happened and explain the circumstances they sent back to Croke Park the equivalent of an "Eff Off and mind your business" letter. Had they gone about their business in a more dimplomatic manner it could have been resolved amicably without any fines and a wee slap on the wrist.
You mean, lie low, be hypocritical, lie through their teeth and play the goody goody?
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They also organised the event without any insurance. Where would they be if there was an incident with a child getting injured. Would the club go to Jamie Carragher looking for him to fund the hospital treatment? Or go cap-in-hand to the GAA.
Who is they?
Dromard GAA didn't organise the event, they rented out the facilities and who's to say the organisers of the soccer school did not arrange insurance?
Is there any proof that the soccer school did not have insurance for the event?
I'm whining about the ridiculous rule which by it's continued existence is evidence of some degree of a fundamentalist and hypocritical rot still permeating inside the GAA. And singling out one of the many clubs that rent out facilities to soccer clubs, just shines another light on the continued existence of this ridiculous rule.
The rule is not such a sacred rule after all, seeing as there was a price on it's soul, the GAA and it's flirtation with the 'indecent proposal'.
The GAA will adhere to the rule as long as the financial inducement stays below 1million or 5million or is it 10 million?
What a nonsense that is.
The rule is up for debate and this is some form of debate isn't it? Events trigger a debate,
or does the rule change all by itself somewhere in time and space?
QuoteThe rule is up for debate and this is some form of debate isn't it? Events trigger a debate,
or does the rule change all by itself somewhere in time and space?
The rule is up for debate. The enforcement of the rule should not be question of debate.
Last I heard the annal Congress changes the Rules.
If you're a GAA member put up a motion at your club to change/abolish a rule you don't like or don't agree with and see how it goes from there.