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The whole point of the legacy bill is so that the Brits don't have to tell the truth. Some families don't even want prosecutions, they just want their day in court where the facts can be put on record.

Exactly.

Be careful what you wish for.. When/if the truth comes out about how deaths could have been prevented by 'our own' there would be plenty of red faces about with a lot of explaining to do..

For example?

How many murders have we had no convictions? Are we looking justice for all those? And then what? Put them in prison?

Just an example of your "could have been prevented by 'our own' there would be plenty of red faces about with a lot of explaining to do.." will suffice. Thanks.

The disappeared would be a starting point..

Are you talking Nairic?

Paddy has already been on RTE earlier this year and devil a bit of heed the bauld 26 county electric picnic singing Wolfe tone worshiping rebels paid to him.

https://x.com/mrvirtuesignal/status/1614549131388657664?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg

Fairly clear that Paddy doesn't understand "the commonwealth furniture".

I look forward to seeing how  Pat in prime position uses his opportunity to educate the southern ignoramuses about mundane matters such as the nordie experience, or will he just pander to the sponsors who pay his wages, pander to the current RTÉ ethos and  carry the baton of shameless  corny trivial commercial centric  enhanced entertainment that Tubridy is handing over. Mind you, considering that nordies are just quaking in their boots just to be able to hand over hard earned cash and participate in the many Late Late Show scams, maybe he can work out some 32 county scam where nordies have no obstacle to hopelessly gambling away their cash.

But will Nordies be able to enter the quiz?!!  Will Patrick make a stand for his own people?!!  Or just treat them as second-class Irish on the island of Ireland. 

The whole point of the legacy bill is so that the Brits don't have to tell the truth. Some families don't even want prosecutions, they just want their day in court where the facts can be put on record.

Exactly.

Be careful what you wish for.. When/if the truth comes out about how deaths could have been prevented by 'our own' there would be plenty of red faces about with a lot of explaining to do..

For example?

How many murders have we had no convictions? Are we looking justice for all those? And then what? Put them in prison?

Just an example of your "could have been prevented by 'our own' there would be plenty of red faces about with a lot of explaining to do.." will suffice. Thanks.

[Digging heels in for justice]

I think we all have to move on.

Digging heels in for justice relating to crimes/events 30+ years ago will not help and highly unlikely to get the desired result.

So those waiting for justice are the problem now?  Strange use of language.

The whole point of the legacy bill is so that the Brits don't have to tell the truth. Some families don't even want prosecutions, they just want their day in court where the facts can be put on record.

Exactly.

Be careful what you wish for.. When/if the truth comes out about how deaths could have been prevented by 'our own' there would be plenty of red faces about with a lot of explaining to do..

For example?

The whole point of the legacy bill is so that the Brits don't have to tell the truth. Some families don't even want prosecutions, they just want their day in court where the facts can be put on record.

Exactly.

[A truth commission would have been the best way forward]

Forget political parties and their contradictions.
You either think victims relatives have a right to justice or you don't.

Where does it stop though? Over 3000 deaths not sure of the break down but how many were convicted and are we looking justice for all those that didn't go through the courts or that in this dirty stinking war all sides used dirty underhand tactics to murder people?

There were no ok murders and not one murder in those years has actually brought us any further, as we are still attached to the UK and with SF now in cahoots with the government for 25 years  we will actually just get a UI because of a head count!!

Was it worth it and dragging up the past all the time will that solve anything? A truth commission would have been the best way forward

The truth from the Brits?  Some chance of that!  It isn't dragging up the past, it is the present for many communities and families.

People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.

There's a difference between changing your mind and being a hypocrite. Brolly has been an outspoken critic of pay per view GAA for many, many years. The only time he "changed his mind" was during the brief window where a pay per view broadcaster offered him a job. Once that broadcaster folded, he "changed his mind" back.

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People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.

Re presentation of 1987 Ulster Champs at 2023 Ulster Final "Earlier in the week, when it looked like Rory Gallagher was going to be on the sideline today, the group decided that we would not to go through with it".  A made up story by Joe. 

I have to imagine Derry / South Derry would be up there. Sure the entire starting team (and almost the entire squad) come from the South of the county (mid-ulster district).

You would have three teams though - SouthDerry, NorthDerry and LondonDerry (the largest team by far).

[generally insightful when it came to analysis.]

Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal. 

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.

Ok, give us an example of a story that he's made up?

"Shane McGuigan can't run."

Wise up man, that's not a story, it's an opinion. Great player but pace certainly wouldn't be his best quality

"My Uncle Eunan was a St Columb's scholar"

[generally insightful when it came to analysis.]

Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal. 

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.

Ok, give us an example of a story that he's made up?

"Shane McGuigan can't run."

Again?

Is being human an exact science or is it a social construct?
Can there be some flexibility on this?

More likely a Catholic construct of the one true apostolic type.