Hurling championship 2018

Started by seafoid, April 25, 2018, 07:46:37 PM

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Blowitupref

Looks like the Ed Sheeran concert has made a mess of the Pearse stadium playing surface.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid

Full-time

Clare 2-27 Waterford 2-18
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2018, 05:29:31 PM
Cats have been terrible.
They have a lot of work to do on their backs
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

FT Galway 1-22 Kilkenny 2-11
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2018, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2018, 05:29:31 PM
Cats have been terrible.
They have a lot of work to do on their backs
They were far from good in their forwards too. 13 scores is a poor showing.
They went too often to the well with the glory team.
When Shefflin, Tommy Walsh and the other core members retired they had no replacements.
You can't build a championship team overnight.
They had to go to the back of the queue.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

GaillimhIarthair

We were poor enough for long periods today I thought, really only upped the performance during the final quarter against a very ordinary KK team that only got 3 scores from play all through.  The spine of the defense were back to last years form and my MOTM, Padraig Mannion, hurled a power of ball.  We hit a lot of aimless high ball into the Full Forward line early on too, none of which reaped any rewards.  Will need a more even performance in Wexford Park on Sat next to get any sort of a result down there.  Still, good to get a win in our first home Leinster championship match.  Pitch didn't look great on the terrace side, must be damage from the Ed Sheeran concert two weeks ago.

Capt Pat

Even though they had a great comeback in the second half Tipp dropped a point today. They can still make it up in the next two games against Waterford at a neutral venue and against Clare in Thurles.

AZOffaly

Quote from: Capt Pat on May 27, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Even though they had a great comeback in the second half Tipp dropped a point today. They can still make it up in the next two games against Waterford at a neutral venue and against Clare in Thurles.

That was some comeback. Atmosphere in Thurles was electric. Tipp answered a lot of questions about guts. They are still off their game, but that might just kick start them.

seafoid

Quote from: AZOffaly on May 27, 2018, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 27, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Even though they had a great comeback in the second half Tipp dropped a point today. They can still make it up in the next two games against Waterford at a neutral venue and against Clare in Thurles.

That was some comeback. Atmosphere in Thurles was electric. Tipp answered a lot of questions about guts. They are still off their game, but that might just kick start them.
It was impressive but why was the first half so bad?

The verdict from the Head of Sport at the Nenagh Guardian

"Tipperary given a lesson in the first half. They are a side devoid of confidence but not helped by poor coaching. They do not know what they are doing out there compared to Cork who are playing to a plan. 
Cork are making Tipp look old, too way too quick and energetic"

— Shane Brophy (@BrophShane) May 27, 2018
Something is not right.
In fairness to Tipp though  they do know how to tune up for August 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: AZOffaly on May 27, 2018, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 27, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Even though they had a great comeback in the second half Tipp dropped a point today. They can still make it up in the next two games against Waterford at a neutral venue and against Clare in Thurles.

That was some comeback. Atmosphere in Thurles was electric. Tipp answered a lot of questions about guts. They are still off their game, but that might just kick start them.

Tipp are very reliant on individual brilliance in their forwards rather than any great game plan and TBH it was guts and what looked like a few positional changes with Brendan Maher dropping deeper to get on more ball and bail out their fullback line that made the difference.

In the same breath if the Cork back had raised the ball first time and cleared as he had been doing the whole game Tipp were beat.
The Cork forwards when given time and space will eat anyone alive. Still not great at winning dirty ball though.

Waterford with an injury list and now a suspension look to be out of it this year. The battle for 3rd spot is between Tipp and Clare IMO.

Galway had the measure of Kilkenny without really playing well. Conor Cooney has hit a bit of form and that is good.

Kilkenny are so reliant on TJ from placed balls and big Walter going on a run or two that you'd think they'll maybe get to a quarter-final spot but come unstuck thereafter.

Big game in Wexford next weekend which isn't really all or nothing, but may set both up for a meeting later on in the year.

AZOffaly

Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2018, 08:28:37 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 27, 2018, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 27, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Even though they had a great comeback in the second half Tipp dropped a point today. They can still make it up in the next two games against Waterford at a neutral venue and against Clare in Thurles.

That was some comeback. Atmosphere in Thurles was electric. Tipp answered a lot of questions about guts. They are still off their game, but that might just kick start them.
It was impressive but why was the first half so bad?

The verdict from the Head of Sport at the Nenagh Guardian

"Tipperary given a lesson in the first half. They are a side devoid of confidence but not helped by poor coaching. They do not know what they are doing out there compared to Cork who are playing to a plan.
Cork are making Tipp look old, too way too quick and energetic"

— Shane Brophy (@BrophShane) May 27, 2018
Something is not right.
In fairness to Tipp though  they do know how to tune up for August

To be honest, what happened was twofold. They made obvious positional switches. Brendan Maher to wing back, Ronan Maher to centre field. Bonner Maher off, Bubbles on.  Then they told Paudie, Brendan and Joe Dwyer to sit a bit deeper, and to help this along, they pushed up slightly on the puckouts. I could not understand the first half. Sit off the puckouts, Cork go short, they work it short up the field and then hit ball into acres of space in front of a fast full forward line. It was kamikaze stuff from Tipp. Second half that did not happen.

The second element was the workrate went up 100%. I don't know if it was as apparent on the telly, but Seamus Callinan particularly, but the McGraths, and everyone else, started to work like dogs in the second half in the forwards. They chased, harried, blocked and hooked. That stopped the surgical precision going in, and as a by product got the forwards into the game.

The Tipp game plan is very simple in my opinion. Half Back as the platform, hard working forwards to enable the half backs win a lot of hurried clearances. Then half backs try to play ball into space or into the hand of some of the best forwards in the country.  Then mix in  the odd bomb to the edge of the square for Callinan to contest and get goals off breakdowns. The problems start happening when any of that misfires, or when the opposition's style creates a mismatch. Kilkenny's and Galway's physicality is problematic, because half forwards and half backs are under serious pressure to win ball, and that means you starve the likes of the McGraths and Bubbles and Callinan of good ball. But most of the time, their worst enemy is themselves.

Michael Breen is actually a bit of a loss at the moment, because his direct, hard running,style is something they are missing. Billy McCarthy looks to have some of that in his game, but he's still raw. I think that sort of energy around the middle of the field would help enormously to open up the other stuff.

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on May 28, 2018, 08:38:37 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 27, 2018, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 27, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Even though they had a great comeback in the second half Tipp dropped a point today. They can still make it up in the next two games against Waterford at a neutral venue and against Clare in Thurles.

That was some comeback. Atmosphere in Thurles was electric. Tipp answered a lot of questions about guts. They are still off their game, but that might just kick start them.
The round robin is very psychological. Wexford tore into Offaly to burn them off in the first 10 minutes because they didn't want any uncertainty around 3rd place  .

One other thing is that yesterday was Galway's first home match in the Leinster championship which they have been playing in since around 2010.

Tipp are very reliant on individual brilliance in their forwards rather than any great game plan and TBH it was guts and what looked like a few positional changes with Brendan Maher dropping deeper to get on more ball and bail out their fullback line that made the difference.

In the same breath if the Cork back had raised the ball first time and cleared as he had been doing the whole game Tipp were beat.
The Cork forwards when given time and space will eat anyone alive. Still not great at winning dirty ball though.

Waterford with an injury list and now a suspension look to be out of it this year. The battle for 3rd spot is between Tipp and Clare IMO.

Galway had the measure of Kilkenny without really playing well. Conor Cooney has hit a bit of form and that is good.

Kilkenny are so reliant on TJ from placed balls and big Walter going on a run or two that you'd think they'll maybe get to a quarter-final spot but come unstuck thereafter.

Big game in Wexford next weekend which isn't really all or nothing, but may set both up for a meeting later on in the year.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

manfromdelmonte

Tipp are living off reputation

too many big names
no midfield

AZOffaly

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2018, 02:37:26 PM
Tipp are living off reputation

too many big names
no midfield

Harsh. Yesterday in the second half those players delivered, or most of them. Billy McCarthy and Ronan Maher would be a serviceable midfield. I think the problems are a lack of pace, and up until yesterday at 2.45pm, a lack of real intensity. If they can keep that intensity up, they will be a factor again. Don't forget only a Joe Canning wonder point beat them last year.