How many weeks until we read that headline? Sammy next for the hot seat I'd say.
It won't be Sammy. Possibly Arlene.
Wouldn't write Peter off yet,he has a Charlie Haughey like ability to withstand pressure and internal opposition.
Tony has found a sidekick
Hypothetical then. Arlene for Fermanagh next up.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 16, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
Hypothetical then. Arlene for Fermanagh next up.
Has Peter Canavan stepped down too?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 16, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
Hypothetical then. Arlene for Fermanagh next up.
Tommy Elliott to jump the ditch to the DUP and wear his UDR uniform to Stormont for all public engagements.
Northern Ireland's first minister Peter Robinson has come under fire for defending a pastor who made controversial comments about Muslims.
James McConnell of the Metropolitan Tabernacle in north Belfast, described Islam as "heathen" and "satanic", and said he did not trust Muslims.
Mr Robinson said he would not trust Muslims involved in violence or those devoted to Sharia law.
But he said he would "trust them to go to the shops" for him.
Police said they were investigating "a hate crime motive" after complaints about Mr McConnell's remarks.
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Mr McConnell made his remarks on Sunday 18 May, telling his congregation "a new evil had arisen" and "there are cells of Muslims right throughout Britain".
"Islam is heathen, Islam is satanic, Islam is a doctrine spawned in hell," he said.
He said he agreed with the late MP Enoch Powell, whose 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech criticised immigration.
"Enoch Powell was a prophet, he called it that blood would flow on the streets and it has happened," he said.
Peter Robinson, Democratic Unionist Party first minister, who made the comments in an interview with the Irish News newspaper, has attended the evangelical church in the past.
'False prophesy'
Mr Robinson said that Mr McConnell had been demonised because of his remarks, and that there "isn't an ounce of hatred in his (the pastor's) bones".
Peter Robinson made his comments in an interview with the Irish News reporter John Manley
Peter Robinson made his comments in an interview with Irish News politics reporter John Manley
Mr Robinson said that it was a duty of any preacher to denounce what he described as "false prophesy".
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It's simply incredible... that someone with a duty to try and represent and protect the interests of all the people living in the place he is presiding over, should endorse these kind of words"
George Galloway MP
Respect
He went on to say that he would not trust Muslims either, particularly with regard to those who had been involved in violence, or those who are "fully devoted to Sharia law, I wouldn't trust them for spiritual guidance".
However, Mr Robinson said he would trust Muslims to "go down to the shops" for him or to deal with a number of other "day to day issues".
Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness of Sinn Féin called on Mr Robinson to show leadership in promoting equality, tolerance and mutual respect for all.
In response, Mr Robinson said on Twitter that he would not "take lectures from a self-confessed leader of a bloody terrorist organisation".
The two men have been meeting the Turkish ambassador on Wednesday.
Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers said: "I haven't seen Peter's comments in detail, but I feel that what Pastor McConnell said was wrong.
Theresa Villiers
Theresa Villiers said she condemned Mr McConnell's remarks
She added: "It's a matter for the first minister how he responds to these remarks - people obviously have different perspectives. For myself, I do condemn the remarks made by Pastor McConnell and don't believe they are justified - Islam is a peaceful religion."
A prominent member of the Muslim community said he was angered by Mr Robinson's support of the pastor.
'Utterly disgraceful'
Khalid Anis from the Islamic Society of Britain told BBC Radio Ulster's Nolan Show that he was shocked that a prominent politician in a position of leadership can speak "with such a double tongue".
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I seriously doubt that such sentiments will play well in a number of countries from which Invest NI are seeking to attract much-needed jobs and investment"
Danny Kinahan
Ulster Unionist Party
Mr Anis said that for a person in authority, like Mr Robinson, to make such remarks was "utterly disgraceful".
The Muslim Association of Britain said: "The pastor's comments not only hurt thousands of Muslims living peacefully in Northern Ireland, but also promote hatred and bigotry against all Muslims in the UK.
"The words of Mr Robinson demonstrate his lack of leadership, when as a representative he should be sensitive to the constituents he represents."
Respect MP George Galloway said Peter Robinson's comments "render him unfit to be the first minister".
"It's simply incredible... that someone with a duty to try and represent and protect the interests of all the people living in the place he is presiding over should endorse these kind of words," he said.
'Demeaning'
Ulster Unionist assembly member Danny Kinahan said Mr Robinson's comments had "caused a great deal of hurt and offence to many people".
"I do not believe that sweeping generalisations can be applied to an entire religion encompassing many hundreds of millions of people worldwide, and I seriously doubt that such sentiments will play well in a number of countries from which Invest NI are seeking to attract much-needed jobs and investment," he said.
Stewart Dickson of the Alliance Party said: "As first minister, Peter Robinson has a duty to represent the country and I am dismayed by his comments that he would only trust a Muslim to get him something from a shop.
"That is extremely demeaning and disrespectful to an entire religion."
Green Party leader Steven Agnew said: "Our first minister has sent out a message to the rest of the world that Northern Ireland is a closed and unwelcoming society."
Be interesting to see if Cameron speaks up about this.
Once again though I suspect he won't be held accountable for anything. Embarassment.
Its time Stormont was shut down as it is only a breeding ground for bigotry.
Even by Robinson's standards some of this was pretty bizarre.
QuoteGreen Party leader Steven Agnew said: "Our first minister has sent out a message to the rest of the world that Northern Ireland is a closed and unwelcoming society."
Well that's pretty accurate.
Calling a spade, a spade?
Quote from: give her dixie on May 28, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
Its time Stormont was shut down as it is only a breeding ground for bigotry.
If Stormont was to close would it have much of an effect on the average industrial wage?
Unbelievable that neither the SDLP or even the lap dogs in Sinn Fein aren't calling for Robinson's head on this one.
So many muslims pay the taxes that make the UK's 9bn subvention to NI possible.
Ulster really has the weirdest prod sects.
It's a big status quo which no one wants to ruin though someone from SF has obviously been giving out some flak as he's been giving out on twitter about them.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on May 28, 2014, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 28, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
Its time Stormont was shut down as it is only a breeding ground for bigotry.
If Stormont was to close would it have much of an effect on the average industrial wage?
Unbelievable that neither the SDLP or even the lap dogs in Sinn Fein aren't calling for Robinson's head on this one.
The shinners havnt much to say given their cosy friendship with Peter King i n the USA. He could teach McConnell a thing or 2 when it comes to Islamaphobia ......
1st class travel and 5 star hotels for Peter and Martin to travel the world claiming "Northern Ireland is open for business". This past few weeks we have seen the reality from these 2 clowns
Long live the subsidised canteen on the hill.
Quote1.4 Under the Belfast Agreement and under sections 16, 18 and 19 of the Act, it is a condition of appointment that Ministers of the Northern Ireland Assembly, including the First Minister and the deputy First Minister and junior Ministers, affirm the terms of the following Pledge of Office.
(a) to discharge in good faith all the duties of office;
(b) commitment to non-violence and exclusively peaceful and democratic means;
(c) to serve all the people of Northern Ireland equally, and to act in accordance with the general obligations on government to promote equality and prevent discrimination;
(ca) to promote the interests of the whole community represented in the the Northern Ireland Assembly towards the goal of a shared future;
(cb) to participate fully in the Executive Committee, the North-South Ministerial Council and the British-Irish Council;
(cc) to observe the joint nature of the offices of First Minister and deputy First Minister;
(cd) to uphold the rule of law based as it is on the fundamental principles of fairness, impartiality and democratic accountability, including support for policing and the courts as set out in paragraph 6 of the St Andrews Agreement;
(d) to participate with colleagues in the preparation of a programme for government;
(e) to operate within the framework of that programme when agreed within the Executive Committee and endorsed by the Assembly;
(f) to support, and to act in accordance with, all decisions of the Executive Committee and Assembly;
I reckon there would be one or two that Peter is guilty of being in breach of here.
The ability of Unionist "leaders" to support the most bigoted rantings of the most extreme Protestant "pastors" never ceases to amaze. :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2014, 08:11:33 PM
The ability of Unionist "leaders" to support the most bigoted rantings of the most extreme Protestant "pastors" never ceases to amaze. :-\
Didn't the current president of the USA support some pastor who had some funny teachings too? He eventually had to disown him after too many outbursts.
Basil Brooke, who went on to serve as NI Prime Minister for 20 years, said this in 1933. Many in this audience employ Catholics, but I have not one about my place. Catholics are out to destroy Ulster...If we in Ulster allow Roman Catholics to work on our farms we are traitors to Ulster...I would appeal to loyalists, therefore, wherever possible, to employ good Protestant lads and lassies. Little has changed in the 81 years since then
I would be more surprised with a 'Peter Robinson steps up as First Minister' headline.
QuoteBasil Brooke, who went on to serve as NI Prime Minister for 20 years, said this in 1933. Many in this audience employ Catholics, but I have not one about my place. Catholics are out to destroy Ulster...If we in Ulster allow Roman Catholics to work on our farms we are traitors to Ulster...I would appeal to loyalists, therefore, wherever possible, to employ good Protestant lads and lassies. Little has changed in the 81 years since then
This sort of rhetoric went on for hundreds of years and from both sides. Although with Britain pulling the strings one side came out far better most of the time.
Quote from: under the bar on August 16, 2013, 11:33:36 PM
How many weeks until we read that headline? Sammy next for the hot seat I'd say.
You bollix! lol
I was thinking fair play to Robinson and was thinking it was another historic moment when unionism did the right thing. I was wrong of course.
Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
I would be more surprised with a 'Peter Robinson steps up as First Minister' headline.
QuoteBasil Brooke, who went on to serve as NI Prime Minister for 20 years, said this in 1933. Many in this audience employ Catholics, but I have not one about my place. Catholics are out to destroy Ulster...If we in Ulster allow Roman Catholics to work on our farms we are traitors to Ulster...I would appeal to loyalists, therefore, wherever possible, to employ good Protestant lads and lassies. Little has changed in the 81 years since then
This sort of rhetoric went on for hundreds of years and from both sides. Although with Britain pulling the strings one side came out far better most of the time.
Both sides? Examples please!
Quote from: Orior on May 28, 2014, 09:21:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
I would be more surprised with a 'Peter Robinson steps up as First Minister' headline.
QuoteBasil Brooke, who went on to serve as NI Prime Minister for 20 years, said this in 1933. Many in this audience employ Catholics, but I have not one about my place. Catholics are out to destroy Ulster...If we in Ulster allow Roman Catholics to work on our farms we are traitors to Ulster...I would appeal to loyalists, therefore, wherever possible, to employ good Protestant lads and lassies. Little has changed in the 81 years since then
This sort of rhetoric went on for hundreds of years and from both sides. Although with Britain pulling the strings one side came out far better most of the time.
Both sides? Examples please!
I was kind of wondering where he got that from alright.
I can't wait to see the examples
Quote from: Orior on May 28, 2014, 09:21:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
I would be more surprised with a 'Peter Robinson steps up as First Minister' headline.
QuoteBasil Brooke, who went on to serve as NI Prime Minister for 20 years, said this in 1933. Many in this audience employ Catholics, but I have not one about my place. Catholics are out to destroy Ulster...If we in Ulster allow Roman Catholics to work on our farms we are traitors to Ulster...I would appeal to loyalists, therefore, wherever possible, to employ good Protestant lads and lassies. Little has changed in the 81 years since then
This sort of rhetoric went on for hundreds of years and from both sides. Although with Britain pulling the strings one side came out far better most of the time.
Both sides? Examples please!
I am guessing you don't need an example from the Protestant side, as it still goes on.
Here was a part of a sermon given in Achill during the famine by a Catholic Priest sent to Achill by Archbishop John MacHale (think the pitch in Castlebar), Fr Dwyer:
Quote'Have nothing to do with these heretics—curse them, hoot at them, spit in their faces—cut the sign of the cross in the air when you meet them, as you would against devils—throw stones at them—pitch them, when you have opportunity, into the bog holes—nay more than that, do injury to yourselves in order to injure them—don't work for them, though they pay in ready money—nay, don't take any medicine from their heretic doctor [Neason Adams], rather die first'
http://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/edward-nangle-the-achill-island-mission/ (http://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/edward-nangle-the-achill-island-mission/)
No comparing like with like. You need to show an example of a high level politician on the nationalist side coming out with stuff like Brook said in 1933 about Catholics and Robbo said about Muslims in 2014
The simple pastor is on BBC now.
Very depressing stuff
George is some craic. ;D
Quote from: EC Unique on May 28, 2014, 11:28:34 PM
George is some craic. ;D
Brilliant - he called the ranting nutcase in the audience a bigot. Bet the bigot wasn't happy, lol
Was that guy in the audience not a DUP or Orange Order member? Face is very familiar
Sharararararararararararararararararararararararaaaaaa!!!!!!
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2014, 11:47:36 PM
Was that guy in the audience not a DUP or Orange Order member? Face is very familiar
Away back to Britain.
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Ulster Unionist! Ffs
Christ bad enough letting one village idiot onto the Nolan show but to have one in the crowd too and what a p***k he was, total slabber, lol Northern Ireland has had the Irish Open, G8, Giro, Titanic 100 hundred year anniversary, but all we are know for abroad is the culture of gay bashing, sectarism, anti catholic hatred in the form of orange marches and intimidation from so called Christians.
Recently we had the honour of add Polish bashing to the collection, just when we thought these clowns couldn't get any worse they add Muslims to the collection now, bet all Jewish people are ducking for cover, there barely anybody left to hate. this man sounds like one of those crusaders in the film "Kingdom of Heaven" and he would not have looked out of place on the early crusades.Just born a 1000 years too late.
For all the bad things he says Muslims have caused, any chance some one remind him the 2 biggest wars of the 20th century mostly involved Christian countries, the biggest man made cause of lose of life.
That Colin Houston is always on those shows.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on May 28, 2014, 11:59:45 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2014, 11:47:36 PM
Was that guy in the audience not a DUP or Orange Order member? Face is very familiar
Away back to Britain.
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The "back to Britain" bit lost me a bit too. He really was just like a hired mouth.
He got 366 votes. A popular guy it would appear
Mike will no doubt be making a phone call this morning
366 votes too many...
Away back to britain - classic. He didn't really think that comment through me thinks.
Was this on the Nolan Show last night? Who was talking to Nolan at the time?
I watched the first part of the show with the man of God pastor and the Muslim lad who really couldn't believe his ears at the ignorance on show, held his counsel well when at times you could see his frustration at the pastor and Nolan for cutting him off.
That Pastor did come across as a bit 'simple' at times tbh and like all men of god, they're right and everyone else is wrong, there's no compromise with these types on entrenched people of any creed.
Once yer one singing came on I turned off.
I don't think this is going to go away any time soon. Pete the punt may just have got himself in serious trouble here.
David Ford's contribution to the debate is a wee bit hilarious:
QuoteStormont Justice Minister David Ford said: "Frankly, it sounds like the kind of language that would have gone down well in South Africa a few years ago or the southern parts of the United States half a century ago."
Is there anywhere else, maybe closer to home, that this language might have 'gone down well in', David?
Imagine that Nolan show had of aired in BBC London, or BBC Midlands? What would the outcry have been...
Indeed we all recognise freedom of speech, but it doesn't mean you can spout all the hate and bile you can muster at one religion grouping. Is there double standards at the BBC as to what is acceptable standards of broadcast - i.e you can get away with it in Northern Ireland but not the mainland? I suppose it was the policy of British security forces in the 1970's...
Unbelievable Jeff!
The most striking thing for me about the programme and the surrounding controversy is the complete lack of intelligence of McConnell. He came across as a complete thicko last night and I would hazard a guess that he is in the lowest quartile of intelligence of the population as a whole.
It appears that a significant percentage of the DUP bigwigs rely upon this person for interpreting the bible, which is quite a weighty tome, and they appear to rely heavily upon him for spiritual guidance.
It beggars belief that these are the sort of clowns that are getting voted in here. No amount of bile, spite, hatred and bigotry can ever be enough for these people. Trying to compromise with the likes of Robinson Poots etc is a waste of time as they see the world in black and white where they are the chosen people descended from the lost tribe of Israel and rest of are doomed, whilst they alone are destined for eternal salvation.
It was evident from last night's programme that this wee man was completely bewildered that he was being challenged, when in his eyes he was God's direct conduit on earth. His expression when the audience were laughing at his nonsense was comical.
Unfortunately the comedic aspects of his performance pale into insignificance with the real danger that his words could place people into. And for someone of Robinson's experience to endorse these blatherings and provide public succour to an outright sectarian bigot shows that he isnt that intelligent either, even if, as is clear, he's a unreconstructed bigot also.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 29, 2014, 12:03:17 PM
The most striking thing for me about the programme and the surrounding controversy is the complete lack of intelligence of McConnell. He came across as a complete thicko last night and I would hazard a guess that he is in the lowest quartile of intelligence of the population as a whole.
It appears that a significant percentage of the DUP bigwigs rely upon this person for interpreting the bible, which is quite a weighty tome, and they appear to rely heavily upon him for spiritual guidance.
It beggars belief that these are the sort of clowns that are getting voted in here. No amount of bile, spite, hatred and bigotry can ever be enough for these people. Trying to compromise with the likes of Robinson Poots etc is a waste of time as they see the world in black and white where they are the chosen people descended from the lost tribe of Israel and rest of are doomed, whilst they alone are destined for eternal salvation.
It was evident from last night's programme that this wee man was completely bewildered that he was being challenged, when in his eyes he was God's direct conduit on earth. His expression when the audience were laughing at his nonsense was comical.
Unfortunately the comedic aspects of his performance pale into insignificance with the real danger that his words could place people into. And for someone of Robinson's experience to endorse these blatherings and provide public succour to an outright sectarian bigot shows that he isnt that intelligent either, even if, as is clear, he's a unreconstructed bigot also.
Robinson struggles to hide his bigotry beneath that thin veneer of respectability and every once in a while it shows through, this time its the Muslims.
I thought too that the Pastor was somewhat lacking in the intelligence stakes, his bigotry aside, his mannerisms and inability to deviate from his script when challenged on his knowledge of Sharia law was rightly questioned he'd no real answers.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 29, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
I don't think this is going to go away any time soon. Pete the punt may just have got himself in serious trouble here.
Pete always comes up smelling of roses. Always. He must have some dirt on someone somewhere.
If this has any repercussions on his position I'd be (very pleasantly) surprised.
Any link to last nights show lads...heard it was pretty epic stuff going by twitter.
Get the time warp ready ballinaman!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b044w6mv/the-nolan-show-series-5-episode-5
Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Get the time warp ready ballinaman!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b044w6mv/the-nolan-show-series-5-episode-5
Cheers...am sure I'll be laughing into my lunch here by the sounds of it!
I guess all these men own DeLoreans.
It's very worrying that 2,000 people go to hear him every Sunday or whenever and probably pay handsomely for the privilege. This place is bonkers!
I wonder can anyone just go in on a Sunday and sit down? Would like to go some day for the comical value.
Peter knows better than to insult Islam so it's all somebody's else's fault and not his.
However, on Thursday he said his remarks had been "given a meaning that was never intended".
"For the avoidance of any doubt, I make it clear that I welcome the contribution made by all communities in Northern Ireland, and in the particular circumstances, the Muslim community," he said.
"I very much value their contribution at every level to our society and I will take the opportunity to meet with local Muslim leaders to demonstrate my ongoing support for them as integral law abiding citizens in Northern Ireland."
When asked if he owed the Muslim community in Northern Ireland an apology, Mr Robinson said: "If I said anything that was derogatory, of course I would apologise.
"I've indicated very clearly that I would be hurt if any of them felt that I was showing any disrespect for them or was not supportive of them.
"That's why I want to meet Muslim leaders and assure them that they have my ongoing support."
Has he stepped down. The title of this thread is confusing lads.
I thought that as well, but it was actually originally opened in August of last year. Even then it was misleading!
Strategic sidestep from Robinson to divert attention away from DUP election performance and dampen the media attention on the SF performance.. He has skin as thick as a rhino and couldnt give a shit what people think, but the last few days have the media running in another direction. Increased unionist vote mobilised and a percentage decrease of that vote for DUP, not withstanding taking the wind out of the sails ( media wise) on the SF perfomance both north and south.
I think he knowingly meant to stir the pot for the above reasons, but it is now escalating.
BTW.... whatever you think of geroge galloway, he is an excellent wind up merchant
Anna Lo has announced she is stepping down from politics at the next Assembly elections.
It was hard watching her on BBC News earlier. Broke down as she now fears Belfast because of the rise of racism and all the verbal abuse she has been receiving.
Well done Peter.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2014, 02:14:21 PM
Anna Lo has announced she is stepping down from politics at the next Assembly elections.
It was hard watching her on BBC News earlier. Broke down as she now fears Belfast because of the rise of racism and all the verbal abuse she has been receiving.
Well done Peter.
It was hard hearing her speak all right. Robbo and co are directly responsible for the hate campaign against her and her party. Give me Anna and any day over the 100 odd others who do nothing other than line their pockets and treat Stormont as a big ATM machine.
Peter Daragh Quinn could run in FST on a pro-partition pro GAA platform.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2014, 02:14:21 PM
Anna Lo has announced she is stepping down from politics at the next Assembly elections.
It was hard watching her on BBC News earlier. Broke down as she now fears Belfast because of the rise of racism and all the verbal abuse she has been receiving.
Well done Peter.
I thought she was OTT personally but I'm not privvy to the abuse that she has suffered as a result of her skin colour etc.
Shes talking of leaving the north as a result of the racist abuse her and her family have taken. An absolute disgrace which wouldnt be tolerated anywhere else in western society!!
As mentioned Robinson and his cronies have a lot to answer for when it comes to the targetting of Alliance party members/offices!
Colin Houston resigns from UUP after suspension
An Ulster Unionist Party member who ran for election last week has resigned from the party after he was suspended.
Colin Houston stood as a candidate in the local elections in Belfast's Oldpark DEA, but he was not elected.
A UUP spokeswoman would not confirm if the disciplinary action it took was due to his recent television appearance.
He was filmed on the BBC's Nolan Show on Wednesday, supporting Belfast pastor James McConnell who had recently made controversial remarks about Islam.
During a recent church service in north Belfast, the pastor described Islam as "heathen" and "satanic" and said he said he did not trust Muslims.
Mr Houston was a member of the audience on the Nolan Show.
During the programme, he was applauded for saying: "The Christians are starting to stand up. We're not having it any more. It's as simple as that."
Mr Houston said the media had "manipulated everything (Pastor McConnell) said".
He went on to say: "Why don't you go to his church for six months and then come out and tell him he's a bigot? He's not a bigot. He's a man of God."
He accused British politician George Galloway, a guest on the programme, of "scare-mongering", and told him to go "away back to Britain".
A UUP spokesperson said on Thursday that Mr Houston had been suspended with immediate effect, "pending an investigation into a number of issues".
She later confirmed that he had resigned.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27620085 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27620085)
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2014, 02:14:21 PM
Anna Lo has announced she is stepping down from politics at the next Assembly elections.
It was hard watching her on BBC News earlier. Broke down as she now fears Belfast because of the rise of racism and all the verbal abuse she has been receiving.
Well done Peter.
+1 Her interview is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27616319 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27616319)
It's just more of the same from Robinson unfortunately. I've said it before and I'll say it again: He is the single biggest threat to peace and stability in Ireland. The flag protest and associated serious violence as well as the licking up to the OO over parades last year and party members appearing on platforms with the UVF are all directly attributed to the DUP whilst under his direction and in particular since losing his seat to Naomi Long.
I took a look at the protestant coalition facebook page, and these are the comments on that story. How do these people make comments like this? Ignorant c***ts.
Davie Wilson Only a matter of time before she played this card. This is her 'escape route' from politics.
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Kylo Ramsey Best news iv heard alday
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Scotti Rfc Fair ye well Jackie chan
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Alan Adair Wots Wong way her ha
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Craig Neill I think a province wide fundraising campaign should be started ad soon as possible to help her get the funds to leave as soon as she can. I would hate to think she was so upset any longer than necessary by the people who are native to this land.
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Stephen Thompson Hi Ho Hi Ho goodbye anna lo
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Scott Lonsdale Bye bye Anna lo the paramertories will be happy
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Alan Mckenzie Well she did pick a fight with the wong people,U onway weep whot U so lol.
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Ramone Allesandro Bye bye Anna woe
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Bill Marchant Hope she she quits n Ireland
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Lynn C Nelson Thank god wish marty and gerry would get the hint there not wanted here
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Jo Jo Dug her own grave. Drama queen!
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Jim Ure Was always going to be the case when she caught the republican "offended by everything" virus..
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Christine Lewis Using this as her excuse to leave politics, she had a disastrous euro election,
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Ian McNeil Byeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Caroline Wood Anna lo is not a danger to this country. muslims are a danger because of their law and news and videos that come out of islamic countries !!!
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William Chivers Chinese take-away.
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Neil Leslie Anna lo - Just go!
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Scott Browne Awww well she certainly wont be missed lol am sure we could all help her pack her bags
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Justin McIntyre Thank god
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Lorraine Montgomery Good buy
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Mandy Mc Dowell Goodbye she wont be missed
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Gary Beattie Anna lo er than a snakes belly good riddance!
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Philip McCann Dam it cant the twat go now.
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Orange Lily She has the freedom to do so but blame it on your own silly moves and please remember to respect the country and its people as we respect your right to leave !! Politics God Bless and all the very best of British to you
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Norman Connor She is amazing i know nationalist that hate her as much yet she can distinguish the difference between a protestant and a catholic magical woman
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Glen Thompson About time
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Robin Djrvc Clarke Good go on then
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Dusty Edmund shut the door on your way out of northern Ireland good riddance to her
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"I would hate to think she was so upset any longer than necessary by the people who are native to this land"
;D
Quote from: haveaharp on May 29, 2014, 04:31:40 PM
"I would hate to think she was so upset any longer than necessary by the people who are native to this land"
;D
That one made me chuckle!
My own personal favourite was from Lorraine Montgomery:
"Good buy"
Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Get the time warp ready ballinaman!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b044w6mv/the-nolan-show-series-5-episode-5
Does anyone have any tricks for getting around the "available to play in the UK only" restriction. I am in the US.
In the past few years hundreds of millions have been squandered on attempts to show how we have "moved on from the past" and that "were open for business". However, if there is one symbol of the money wasted that best describes Stormont and those in it are the fake shop fronts that are everywhere. We are just fur coat and no knickers. The comments posted above show that no amount of money can paper over the cracks
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 29, 2014, 04:39:37 PM
My own personal favourite was from Lorraine Montgomery:
"Good buy"
Ah yes, the Montgomerys. Of French origin I think but probably a lowland Scot (Ayrshire).
You have to hand it to James I. He did a quare auld job after a few practice runs.
Au Revoir, Lorraine!
Quote from: give her dixie on May 29, 2014, 05:01:23 PM
In the past few years hundreds of millions have been squandered on attempts to show how we have "moved on from the past" and that "were open for business". However, if there is one symbol of the money wasted that best describes Stormont and those in it are the fake shop fronts that are everywhere. We are just fur coat and no knickers. The comments posted above show that no amount of money can paper over the cracks
Mental mental stuff going on in this Country. I'm involved in the Pharmaceutical Industry here exporting to the UK and quite a lot of the main players in that market are Muslim. I'm dreading lifting the phone to them in case they start asking me anything about this shit going on.
Bunch of f**king cavemen and women in this Country can't see past their own wee world!!
All those posts give me a headache!!
Quote from: dec on May 29, 2014, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Get the time warp ready ballinaman!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b044w6mv/the-nolan-show-series-5-episode-5
Does anyone have any tricks for getting around the "available to play in the UK only" restriction. I am in the US.
Part 1 with the Pastor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7T_5TSA7f8
Part 2 - George Galloway part - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MFfPdC3OPQ
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
All those posts give me a headache!!
Wait til you read this
QuoteI on nolan show stood up last night for a man of God that is coming to the end of a ministry that blessed many people in this country and preach doctrine from a pulpit with love as many do across this city every week .A Love word can be a word of correction aswell as tickle you ear .leadership is what leaders do.lead and lift there head above the parapet. Weak leadership trys to play all angles to stay in power juggling and play both sides of the line . Three weeks ago I was approached by the ulster unionist party to run for them in election. I did so under the understanding they would not try to muzzle my faith in any way .I was told if I spoke for myself ,I could say it and it would not effect me . I was at the Nolan show last night as a christian man out for the show. I spoke up as no one else would for a man who Is a general of God in this nation . Today I got a phone call saying I was suspended in uup from someone I don't know, never met and never every talk to .I told sir reg and mike I would not be controlled on christian values they have distanced them selves ready for to cut me off .I myself never ask to join and told them am straight and speak my mind . so with this in mind unionist unity will only come when you stop playing games and build together under a Christ's teachings as a Godly country .So it is with great pleasure as I look behind me and see political games from uup,no back bone and no leadership that I resign as a member now this minute .Thankyou for all the christian support all night and all morning .Christ is still the battle cry .truth will prevail in our lives through a Godly inheritance . Because of great men of God like Jim mconell who is not well coming to the latter years of his life. ?where is the grace for men like this. Think of how many bad men and women turned good by his gospel preaching. Through love and faithfulness. So good bye ulster unionist party. Get some back bone and stand on some issues our country was built on like freedom of speech and not backbiting other unionist parties. God bless you all and remember it's Nolan make mountains out of molehills .stop letting the media play with your faith. Stand up church and be counted . Thanks .
The demise of the Nolan show will follow the mocking of a servant of Christ . Watch and see .touch not the anointed and do his prophets no harm .
After reading that he needs some help from Christ and the 12 apostrophes 8)
from blog by Brian Spencer
It would have been hypocritical for Peter Robinson not to have backed Pastor McConnell. He's right at home.
If people are shocked, it just shows how the DUP has conned people.
It's not a reformist, post-Troubles party; it's a Cold-war era free Presbyterian sect that passes for a political party. Not only are there Catholics and commies under the bad, now there are "Moslems".
This is the politics of fear, not hope. The language of pogroms. Words not even Nigel Farage would utter. These are the words, at a stretch, of some ailing, crack-pot Tory backbencher – who if he did say them, would get booted into political oblivion. i.e. summarily sacked.
This is the DUP's world. Politics of isolation, absolutism, religious certainty and threats, As Daniel Finn said:
"In British political terms, the DUP slots in between the right of the Tory Party and the BNP."
They make a mockery of British democracy and a parody of Britishness. As Brigid Brophy said in the Spectator:
"The Northern Irish have indeed made themselves less and less like the British of the mainland by refusing to move on with the mainlanders from a merely numerical towards a tolerant conception of democracy."
It's not a Lockean democracy of religious freedom and enlightenment, but a party that will put flags before food, side with angry loyalist street protesters confronting the PSNI.
Again, this is the DUP's world, not the western world we know and of which want to be part.
The world is opening up. We want to be part of that. Open for business. Open for immigration. Open for religious pluralism. Open for homosexuals. Open for a mixed economy.
Peter Robinson has sent out a message that we're closed to Muslims.
This is anti-economy. Not only will it effect investment, it marks us out as intolerant and religious weirdos.
It's long past high time we said that we did not want to be ruled, never mind associated with this sort of religious madness. We don't want creationists doling out policy, religious prohibitionists drafting legislation. We don't want society stultified and insulted by this hysterical garbage.
Robinson says that Pastor McConnell is right to decry false doctrines.
What's next: the decrying of Catholics? By backing Pastor McConnell, Robinson has not only backed racism by his failure to unequivocally condemn racist attacks, but has now licensed the exclusion of religious minorities.
Fear is not a policy, it's an alibi for lack of policy and vision.
Peter Robinson isn't a leader, he's an alibi and a excuse for unionism's abject failure.
The Union will be saved with an "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly positive" case for the union, as David Cameron has repeatedly said. Once again Peter Robinson and the DUP make the "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly" negative case for the Union.
Where McGuinness's handshake has deprived unionism's hostility of its substance, Peter Robinson and the DUP continue to feed discontentment with the Union with Britain.
Shame on unionism which has facilitated years of loyalist hysteria, a dangerously false grievance narrative and a near-two year campaign of hostility on the streets.
Now we can say, shame on unionism for backing a religious leader and islamophobia over tolerance and religious pluralism.
This is really dangerous. This is but a further move to deceive, manipulate and propagandise impressionable loyalists. I'll say it again, like I did last time: those who believe absurdities may take this further.
This sort of religious demagoguery needs repudiated, for the local sake – before this gets worse, for the international sake – before Northern Ireland unionism gets marked off as a pariah in the global community.
We want a naked public square – a wall of Separation between church and state. We have had enough years of terrorism and sectarianism.
Time to get tough on these religious loud mouths.
Lads its getting scary. Loyalism is getting more and more hardline. The unionist parties are tripping themselves up trying to move further to the right.
There is no positive leadership within unionism at all. They all just want to garner the anti - SF vote. The vile Jim Allister comes out with is exacerbating the problem. The increase in support for him, results in the other parties becoming more hardline to protect their vote. Heaven forbid if TUV ever became the dominant unionist party. These lads won't even talk to SF never mind enter government with them. Stormount would collapse and then who knows what would happen!!
Quote from: glens abu on May 29, 2014, 05:45:29 PM
from blog by Brian Spencer
It would have been hypocritical for Peter Robinson not to have backed Pastor McConnell. He's right at home.
If people are shocked, it just shows how the DUP has conned people.
It's not a reformist, post-Troubles party; it's a Cold-war era free Presbyterian sect that passes for a political party. Not only are there Catholics and commies under the bad, now there are "Moslems".
This is the politics of fear, not hope. The language of pogroms. Words not even Nigel Farage would utter. These are the words, at a stretch, of some ailing, crack-pot Tory backbencher – who if he did say them, would get booted into political oblivion. i.e. summarily sacked.
This is the DUP's world. Politics of isolation, absolutism, religious certainty and threats, As Daniel Finn said:
"In British political terms, the DUP slots in between the right of the Tory Party and the BNP."
They make a mockery of British democracy and a parody of Britishness. As Brigid Brophy said in the Spectator:
"The Northern Irish have indeed made themselves less and less like the British of the mainland by refusing to move on with the mainlanders from a merely numerical towards a tolerant conception of democracy."
It's not a Lockean democracy of religious freedom and enlightenment, but a party that will put flags before food, side with angry loyalist street protesters confronting the PSNI.
Again, this is the DUP's world, not the western world we know and of which want to be part.
The world is opening up. We want to be part of that. Open for business. Open for immigration. Open for religious pluralism. Open for homosexuals. Open for a mixed economy.
Peter Robinson has sent out a message that we're closed to Muslims.
This is anti-economy. Not only will it effect investment, it marks us out as intolerant and religious weirdos.
It's long past high time we said that we did not want to be ruled, never mind associated with this sort of religious madness. We don't want creationists doling out policy, religious prohibitionists drafting legislation. We don't want society stultified and insulted by this hysterical garbage.
Robinson says that Pastor McConnell is right to decry false doctrines.
What's next: the decrying of Catholics? By backing Pastor McConnell, Robinson has not only backed racism by his failure to unequivocally condemn racist attacks, but has now licensed the exclusion of religious minorities.
Fear is not a policy, it's an alibi for lack of policy and vision.
Peter Robinson isn't a leader, he's an alibi and a excuse for unionism's abject failure.
The Union will be saved with an "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly positive" case for the union, as David Cameron has repeatedly said. Once again Peter Robinson and the DUP make the "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly" negative case for the Union.
Where McGuinness's handshake has deprived unionism's hostility of its substance, Peter Robinson and the DUP continue to feed discontentment with the Union with Britain.
Shame on unionism which has facilitated years of loyalist hysteria, a dangerously false grievance narrative and a near-two year campaign of hostility on the streets.
Now we can say, shame on unionism for backing a religious leader and islamophobia over tolerance and religious pluralism.
This is really dangerous. This is but a further move to deceive, manipulate and propagandise impressionable loyalists. I'll say it again, like I did last time: those who believe absurdities may take this further.
This sort of religious demagoguery needs repudiated, for the local sake – before this gets worse, for the international sake – before Northern Ireland unionism gets marked off as a pariah in the global community.
We want a naked public square – a wall of Separation between church and state. We have had enough years of terrorism and sectarianism.
Time to get tough on these religious loud mouths.
Maybe its time that nationalists/republicans pulled the plug on the local assembly. We'd be better off with some sort of Anglo Irish construction to run the place, rather than having taxpayers provide the bigots and religious nut jobs of the DUP with cushy, well paid jobs to be shared out amongst their various family dynasties. Absolute shower of hate-filled morons.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 29, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 29, 2014, 05:45:29 PM
from blog by Brian Spencer
It would have been hypocritical for Peter Robinson not to have backed Pastor McConnell. He's right at home.
If people are shocked, it just shows how the DUP has conned people.
It's not a reformist, post-Troubles party; it's a Cold-war era free Presbyterian sect that passes for a political party. Not only are there Catholics and commies under the bad, now there are "Moslems".
This is the politics of fear, not hope. The language of pogroms. Words not even Nigel Farage would utter. These are the words, at a stretch, of some ailing, crack-pot Tory backbencher – who if he did say them, would get booted into political oblivion. i.e. summarily sacked.
This is the DUP's world. Politics of isolation, absolutism, religious certainty and threats, As Daniel Finn said:
"In British political terms, the DUP slots in between the right of the Tory Party and the BNP."
They make a mockery of British democracy and a parody of Britishness. As Brigid Brophy said in the Spectator:
"The Northern Irish have indeed made themselves less and less like the British of the mainland by refusing to move on with the mainlanders from a merely numerical towards a tolerant conception of democracy."
It's not a Lockean democracy of religious freedom and enlightenment, but a party that will put flags before food, side with angry loyalist street protesters confronting the PSNI.
Again, this is the DUP's world, not the western world we know and of which want to be part.
The world is opening up. We want to be part of that. Open for business. Open for immigration. Open for religious pluralism. Open for homosexuals. Open for a mixed economy.
Peter Robinson has sent out a message that we're closed to Muslims.
This is anti-economy. Not only will it effect investment, it marks us out as intolerant and religious weirdos.
It's long past high time we said that we did not want to be ruled, never mind associated with this sort of religious madness. We don't want creationists doling out policy, religious prohibitionists drafting legislation. We don't want society stultified and insulted by this hysterical garbage.
Robinson says that Pastor McConnell is right to decry false doctrines.
What's next: the decrying of Catholics? By backing Pastor McConnell, Robinson has not only backed racism by his failure to unequivocally condemn racist attacks, but has now licensed the exclusion of religious minorities.
Fear is not a policy, it's an alibi for lack of policy and vision.
Peter Robinson isn't a leader, he's an alibi and a excuse for unionism's abject failure.
The Union will be saved with an "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly positive" case for the union, as David Cameron has repeatedly said. Once again Peter Robinson and the DUP make the "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly" negative case for the Union.
Where McGuinness's handshake has deprived unionism's hostility of its substance, Peter Robinson and the DUP continue to feed discontentment with the Union with Britain.
Shame on unionism which has facilitated years of loyalist hysteria, a dangerously false grievance narrative and a near-two year campaign of hostility on the streets.
Now we can say, shame on unionism for backing a religious leader and islamophobia over tolerance and religious pluralism.
This is really dangerous. This is but a further move to deceive, manipulate and propagandise impressionable loyalists. I'll say it again, like I did last time: those who believe absurdities may take this further.
This sort of religious demagoguery needs repudiated, for the local sake – before this gets worse, for the international sake – before Northern Ireland unionism gets marked off as a pariah in the global community.
We want a naked public square – a wall of Separation between church and state. We have had enough years of terrorism and sectarianism.
Time to get tough on these religious loud mouths.
Maybe its time that nationalists/republicans pulled the plug on the local assembly. We'd be better off with some sort of Anglo Irish construction to run the place, rather than having taxpayers provide the bigots and religious nut jobs of the DUP with cushy, well paid jobs to be shared out amongst their various family dynasties. Absolute shower of hate-filled morons.
I would agree with you but unfortunately that highlighted bit swings both sides of the political pendulum.
A flawed peace is still better than what went before. I dread to think what will happen to Unionism / Loyalism if Scotland votes for Independence.
Just watched the Nolan show there on iplayer
Christ alight.
(http://quebuentrip.com/mail/epic-facepalm-meme-i7.jpeg)
Pretty cringable applause to your mans rant. Indoctinated sheep.
(http://www.feoamante.com/Movies/T/Total_Recall/TR02.jpg)
Same as that skull. And I have to say after hearing the furore about it, it was worse than I thought. Mental stuff, and as George Galloway mentioned one of the saddening things was the applause " mr bigot" received. I can't imagine any right thinking unionist agreeing with the first minister
Calm down lads- Peter has met the Muslims and they've accepted his apology.
Nothing more to see here. Move her on.
Quote from: HiMucker on May 29, 2014, 10:01:25 PM
I can't imagine any right thinking unionist agreeing with the first minister
There seem to be a lot of people in the north who agree with your first minister.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on May 29, 2014, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 29, 2014, 10:01:25 PM
I can't imagine any right thinking unionist agreeing with the first minister
There seem to be a lot of people in the north who agree with your first minister.
I didn't say there was a lot of right thinking people here did I! :P
While the audience on nolan is far from reflective of the general population here it is quite astounding that a person with these views could be leader. Any real country and they'd be outcasts.
Thought Nolan sounded a bit out of his depth when he had the little debate with galloway
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on May 29, 2014, 10:21:47 PM
Thought Nolan sounded a bit out of his depth when he had the little debate with galloway
It was ridiculous when he asked George was he a Muslim. What was that about?
Am I the only one who thinks Nolan is pro Unionist?
Apologies if this has been discussed at length before.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 29, 2014, 10:29:20 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Nolan is pro Unionist?
Apologies if this has been discussed at length before.
I thought he gives all sides a hard time. Has he had his fat stomach sown up?
Quote from: Orior on May 29, 2014, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 29, 2014, 10:29:20 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Nolan is pro Unionist?
Apologies if this has been discussed at length before.
I thought he gives all sides a hard time. Has he had his fat stomach sown up?
Na he doesn't care who he winds up. Thought he'd lost a bit of weight also
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on May 29, 2014, 10:21:47 PM
Thought Nolan sounded a bit out of his depth when he had the little debate with galloway
yeah thought that to. I know he plays devils advocate, but when he asked him was he just canvassing for the Muslim vote he just sounded ridiculous. I don't think there was another side to this argument!
A dup politician accused anna lo of being racist against northern ireland. Dup apologised and said she had misinterpreted the news article.
These unionist parties are attracting some classy people.
The North really depresses me. A dead end, bigoted hole full of absolute headbangers
Quote from: HiMucker on May 29, 2014, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on May 29, 2014, 10:21:47 PM
Thought Nolan sounded a bit out of his depth when he had the little debate with galloway
yeah thought that to. I know he plays devils advocate, but when he asked him was he just canvassing for the Muslim vote he just sounded ridiculous. I don't think there was another side to this argument!
Would need to be a clever interviewer to get one over Galloway, Paxman couldn't do it and he's been the best for long time
Quote from: Apparently so on May 29, 2014, 10:49:34 PM
The North really depresses me. A dead end, bigoted hole full of absolute headbangers
Apparently so, and a few GAAboarders too, lol
Quote from: Apparently so on May 29, 2014, 10:49:34 PM
The North really depresses me. A dead end, bigoted hole full of absolute headbangers
Not really. We just give air time to them.
Aye, tbf that post should have said "run by absolute headbangers"
Do those who believe in a 'Lord' or a 'God' generally believe they are the true 'faith'?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2014, 10:50:51 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 29, 2014, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on May 29, 2014, 10:21:47 PM
Thought Nolan sounded a bit out of his depth when he had the little debate with galloway
yeah thought that to. I know he plays devils advocate, but when he asked him was he just canvassing for the Muslim vote he just sounded ridiculous. I don't think there was another side to this argument!
Would need to be a clever interviewer to get one over Galloway, Paxman couldn't do it and he's been the best for long time
He was sharp alright. Very good speaker and there wasn't anything he said you could argue with. Some good points. However I was expecting a pur pur kitty cat moment!
Quote from: ONeill on May 29, 2014, 10:58:35 PM
Do those who believe in a 'Lord' or a 'God' generally believe they are the true 'faith'?
no
So....it's a hobby? Not a faith?
Quote from: hardstation on May 29, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
Say what you want about Pascal McConnell, he was a good 'keeper.
Not a patch on his bro.
Quote from: hardstation on May 29, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 29, 2014, 11:06:12 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 29, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
Say what you want about Pascal McConnell, he was a good 'keeper.
Not a patch on his bro.
Seemingly a much better racist though.
Well, Pascal was more of a gingerist.
Quote from: orangeman on May 29, 2014, 10:03:33 PM
Calm down lads- Peter has met the Muslims and they've accepted his apology.
Nothing more to see here. Move her on.
It's a bit like Fr Ted running the free drink night for Craggy Island's Chinese community
Quote from: ONeill on May 29, 2014, 11:03:18 PM
So....it's a hobby? Not a faith?
More of an insurance policy. You never know when you might need it
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on May 29, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 29, 2014, 10:03:33 PM
Calm down lads- Peter has met the Muslims and they've accepted his apology.
Nothing more to see here. Move her on.
It's a bit like Fr Ted running the free drink night for Craggy Island's Chinese community
Robinson should have had a few free pints and sausage rolls for the Muslim community.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2014, 11:33:23 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on May 29, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 29, 2014, 10:03:33 PM
Calm down lads- Peter has met the Muslims and they've accepted his apology.
Nothing more to see here. Move her on.
It's a bit like Fr Ted running the free drink night for Craggy Island's Chinese community
Robinson should have had a few free pints and sausage rolls for the Muslim community.
I hear the nibbles were smokie bacon crisps.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds but that doesn't come as any great surprise. The DUP spouting on about free speech when not many months ago they were trying to ban a play which was having a bit of a poke at Christianity. Free speech but only when it suits the DUP. Also, free speech doesn't mean you can say what you like and even more so when it comes to those in power and influence.
Don't get me started on that Nolan tube. This morning when two sensible contributors were making valid points he interrupts them to announce the latest viewing figures for the previous nights Nolan tv show had just landed on his desk. Cue blowing smoke up his own hole and being full of his own self importance. Complete disrespect for his guests. For all the good Nolan does exposing the intolerance of this place he undoes it in a flash with sensationalist and egotistical journalism.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 29, 2014, 06:28:41 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 29, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 29, 2014, 05:45:29 PM
from blog by Brian Spencer
It would have been hypocritical for Peter Robinson not to have backed Pastor McConnell. He's right at home.
If people are shocked, it just shows how the DUP has conned people.
It's not a reformist, post-Troubles party; it's a Cold-war era free Presbyterian sect that passes for a political party. Not only are there Catholics and commies under the bad, now there are "Moslems".
This is the politics of fear, not hope. The language of pogroms. Words not even Nigel Farage would utter. These are the words, at a stretch, of some ailing, crack-pot Tory backbencher – who if he did say them, would get booted into political oblivion. i.e. summarily sacked.
This is the DUP's world. Politics of isolation, absolutism, religious certainty and threats, As Daniel Finn said:
"In British political terms, the DUP slots in between the right of the Tory Party and the BNP."
They make a mockery of British democracy and a parody of Britishness. As Brigid Brophy said in the Spectator:
"The Northern Irish have indeed made themselves less and less like the British of the mainland by refusing to move on with the mainlanders from a merely numerical towards a tolerant conception of democracy."
It's not a Lockean democracy of religious freedom and enlightenment, but a party that will put flags before food, side with angry loyalist street protesters confronting the PSNI.
Again, this is the DUP's world, not the western world we know and of which want to be part.
The world is opening up. We want to be part of that. Open for business. Open for immigration. Open for religious pluralism. Open for homosexuals. Open for a mixed economy.
Peter Robinson has sent out a message that we're closed to Muslims.
This is anti-economy. Not only will it effect investment, it marks us out as intolerant and religious weirdos.
It's long past high time we said that we did not want to be ruled, never mind associated with this sort of religious madness. We don't want creationists doling out policy, religious prohibitionists drafting legislation. We don't want society stultified and insulted by this hysterical garbage.
Robinson says that Pastor McConnell is right to decry false doctrines.
What's next: the decrying of Catholics? By backing Pastor McConnell, Robinson has not only backed racism by his failure to unequivocally condemn racist attacks, but has now licensed the exclusion of religious minorities.
Fear is not a policy, it's an alibi for lack of policy and vision.
Peter Robinson isn't a leader, he's an alibi and a excuse for unionism's abject failure.
The Union will be saved with an "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly positive" case for the union, as David Cameron has repeatedly said. Once again Peter Robinson and the DUP make the "unremittingly" and "unrelentingly" negative case for the Union.
Where McGuinness's handshake has deprived unionism's hostility of its substance, Peter Robinson and the DUP continue to feed discontentment with the Union with Britain.
Shame on unionism which has facilitated years of loyalist hysteria, a dangerously false grievance narrative and a near-two year campaign of hostility on the streets.
Now we can say, shame on unionism for backing a religious leader and islamophobia over tolerance and religious pluralism.
This is really dangerous. This is but a further move to deceive, manipulate and propagandise impressionable loyalists. I'll say it again, like I did last time: those who believe absurdities may take this further.
This sort of religious demagoguery needs repudiated, for the local sake – before this gets worse, for the international sake – before Northern Ireland unionism gets marked off as a pariah in the global community.
We want a naked public square – a wall of Separation between church and state. We have had enough years of terrorism and sectarianism.
Time to get tough on these religious loud mouths.
Maybe its time that nationalists/republicans pulled the plug on the local assembly. We'd be better off with some sort of Anglo Irish construction to run the place, rather than having taxpayers provide the bigots and religious nut jobs of the DUP with cushy, well paid jobs to be shared out amongst their various family dynasties. Absolute shower of hate-filled morons.
I would agree with you but unfortunately that highlighted bit swings both sides of the political pendulum.
I would also agree. Stormont provides a platform for bigotry and raw sectarian hatred. It is a big cash cow that tje 2 big parties are milking dry, and we are footing the bill. It needs to be shut down as the only thing they agree on is pay rises, job extensions and co opting their cronies into well paid jobs. Oh, and agreeing to keep brown envelope donations private so that we dont know who is funding them. Gansters the fecking lot of them.
I don't know about the DUP but SF MLAs and party workers as far as I know do not receive the big salaries directly. They get a weekly wage which might not be more than the minimum wage ( that's what some party members told people when they going round canvassing and the issue of salaries came up ) so SF can't be accused of lining their pockets. Most of the salaries go back into the party. I'm sure they're able to claim "expenses" just like all the other parties.
I stand to be corrected on this.
DUP however seemingly put all of the salary in their pockets.
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
Caught up on the Nolan show last night.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2014, 08:37:47 AM
I don't know about the DUP but SF MLAs and party workers as far as I know do not receive the big salaries directly. They get a weekly wage which might not be more than the minimum wage ( that's what some party members told people when they going round canvassing and the issue of salaries came up ) so SF can't be accused of lining their pockets. Most of the salaries go back into the party. I'm sure they're able to claim "expenses" just like all the other parties.
I stand to be corrected on this.
DUP however seemingly put all of the salary in their pockets.
It doesnt matter what the MLAs do with their salaries, the fact remains that they draw down the full amount plus expenses.
If a Sinn Fein MLA was to go before a CSA board for example, its the 48,000 they would have to pay child support from, not the average wage.
I had to turn it off half way through the pastors discussion. Cringe worthy!
Tho switched it back on for the blood and thunder raving lunatic. What a madman!
Another born again/guilty conscience that one!!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 29, 2014, 05:36:25 PM
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Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Get the time warp ready ballinaman!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b044w6mv/the-nolan-show-series-5-episode-5
Does anyone have any tricks for getting around the "available to play in the UK only" restriction. I am in the US.
Part 1 with the Pastor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7T_5TSA7f8
Part 2 - George Galloway part - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MFfPdC3OPQ
Thoroughly enjoyed that, when's the next episode? Cringe television of the highest quality.
I think there could be a series along the line of The Office or Extras with that pastor character, getting himself into wacky situations and the like.
Sharararara law would be a class catchphrase...
I was waiting for him to say 'Shikaka' like Ace Ventura!!
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
You are 100% correct they don't take their full salaries and the rest goes towards the wages of others who work for the party in delivering for their constituents.Think people are entitled to a fair wage for the work they do but it is about getting the balance right.Would be interesting to see if Eirigi ever got anyone elected what they would do but if it was anything thing like the scramble other super Republicans did to get paid to tell lies to the Boston college I wouldn't be holding my breath. :-[ :-[
I see Peter has made an apology to the Muslim community.
I don't though recollect his apology for the racist comments he made about some of the republic's football players a few years ago.
Quote from: glens abu on May 30, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
You are 100% correct they don't take their full salaries and the rest goes towards the wages of others who work for the party in delivering for their constituents.
Surely they take their full salaries less Tax etc and then donate some of that to the Party. Otherwise how would the party get the extra? ;)
The way ye tell it you'd think they only take the average industrial wage from the taxpayers.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 30, 2014, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: glens abu on May 30, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
You are 100% correct they don't take their full salaries and the rest goes towards the wages of others who work for the party in delivering for their constituents.
Surely they take their full salaries less Tax etc and then donate some of that to the Party. Otherwise how would the party get the extra? ;)
The way ye tell it you'd think they only take the average industrial wage from the taxpayers.
I wouldnt mind earning an average industrial wage and then I might be able to afford a holiday home in the sun
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 30, 2014, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: glens abu on May 30, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
You are 100% correct they don't take their full salaries and the rest goes towards the wages of others who work for the party in delivering for their constituents.
Surely they take their full salaries less Tax etc and then donate some of that to the Party. Otherwise how would the party get the extra? ;)
The way ye tell it you'd think they only take the average industrial wage from the taxpayers.
I wouldnt mind earning an average industrial wage and then I might be able to afford a holiday home in the sun
FFS lad, should they all be suffering along earning a few bob?? How many have holiday homes?? And does owning a holiday home mean your loaded?
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 11:03:19 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 30, 2014, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: glens abu on May 30, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
You are 100% correct they don't take their full salaries and the rest goes towards the wages of others who work for the party in delivering for their constituents.
Surely they take their full salaries less Tax etc and then donate some of that to the Party. Otherwise how would the party get the extra? ;)
The way ye tell it you'd think they only take the average industrial wage from the taxpayers.
I wouldnt mind earning an average industrial wage and then I might be able to afford a holiday home in the sun
FFS lad, should they all be suffering along earning a few bob?? How many have holiday homes?? And does owning a holiday home mean your loaded?
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
The point is they do harp on about it enough, as do some of their supporters on here. It's portrayed as a lofty socialist ideal, when in reality as a party they draw the exact same amount from the taxpayer (have they stopped claiming Westminster expenses yet?), regardless of what any one individual takes home.
Just watched those clips and read that fella's statement. Car crash stuff and thoroughly depressing stuff altogether. The bigot from the show (not the pastor, the other one...) hasn't the intelligence to see that his views are the ones that have been manipulated over the years by the likes of the very pastor he is defending. Downright scary that he was actually applauded. Someone said that the audience is not representative of the NI population. I hope they were right but am afraid they are wrong. Does anyone know what way audience selection is done?
When I see this sh*t I am eternally grateful I am a long time out of the north. Beneath a very thin veneer of respectability it is still a shithole festering in resentment and sectarian hatred. Now I have been curious about this for some time and although I have my suspicions I don't have an informed view so would like to hear opinions. Is the protestant youth of today more intolerant and sectarian than the catholic youth? In some ways am loathe to use those two labels as doubt there is much religion on either side but anyways...
Anyone can get tickets for the Nolan show its just a case of ringing up and getting them, with all the talk of the pastor the week before, the crowd was going to be full of the Pastors flock hence the applause.
Quote from: CiKe on May 30, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
Someone said that the audience is not representative of the NI population. I hope they were right but am afraid they are wrong. Does anyone know what way audience selection is done?
I would say that 99% of the population would not bother their arse driving to Belfast to sit in the BBC studio on a Wednesday night to watch the Nolan show live. The audience would mostly be made up of supporters of the guests and hardcore opposition. Definitely not representative of the views of most. Most sane people are sitting in their living rooms watching it having a laugh at the clowns on show.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: CiKe on May 30, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
Someone said that the audience is not representative of the NI population. I hope they were right but am afraid they are wrong. Does anyone know what way audience selection is done?
I would say that 99% of the population would not bother their arse driving to Belfast to sit in the BBC studio on a Wednesday night to watch the Nolan show live. The audience would mostly be made up of supporters of the guests and hardcore opposition. Definitely not representative of the views of most. Most sane people are sitting in their living rooms watching it having a laugh at the clowns on show.
That's fair enough, I was probably assuming Belfast and surrounding area as representative of the wider NI population but I guess your point still stands - crowd was always like to attract the hardcore element out in support and the more politically active with an opposing viewpoint. With regards to my question above would be really curious to see the results of a poll in relation to his views but even then would prob be biased by the fact that is a known Protestant pastor - would be more interesting if was just a blind test of agreeing with the views of an unidentified "man of god".
Quote from: CiKe on May 30, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: CiKe on May 30, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
Someone said that the audience is not representative of the NI population. I hope they were right but am afraid they are wrong. Does anyone know what way audience selection is done?
I would say that 99% of the population would not bother their arse driving to Belfast to sit in the BBC studio on a Wednesday night to watch the Nolan show live. The audience would mostly be made up of supporters of the guests and hardcore opposition. Definitely not representative of the views of most. Most sane people are sitting in their living rooms watching it having a laugh at the clowns on show.
That's fair enough, I was probably assuming Belfast and surrounding area as representative of the wider NI population but I guess your point still stands - crowd was always like to attract the hardcore element out in support and the more politically active with an opposing viewpoint. With regards to my question above would be really curious to see the results of a poll in relation to his views but even then would prob be biased by the fact that is a known Protestant pastor - would be more interesting if was just a blind test of agreeing with the views of an unidentified "man of god".
It's not reflective of Belfast and surrounding area though - it's reflective of the type of people that want to go on the Nolan show and that is really all it is reflective of.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2014, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: CiKe on May 30, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: CiKe on May 30, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
Someone said that the audience is not representative of the NI population. I hope they were right but am afraid they are wrong. Does anyone know what way audience selection is done?
I would say that 99% of the population would not bother their arse driving to Belfast to sit in the BBC studio on a Wednesday night to watch the Nolan show live. The audience would mostly be made up of supporters of the guests and hardcore opposition. Definitely not representative of the views of most. Most sane people are sitting in their living rooms watching it having a laugh at the clowns on show.
That's fair enough, I was probably assuming Belfast and surrounding area as representative of the wider NI population but I guess your point still stands - crowd was always like to attract the hardcore element out in support and the more politically active with an opposing viewpoint. With regards to my question above would be really curious to see the results of a poll in relation to his views but even then would prob be biased by the fact that is a known Protestant pastor - would be more interesting if was just a blind test of agreeing with the views of an unidentified "man of god".
It's not reflective of Belfast and surrounding area though - it's reflective of the type of people that want to go on the Nolan show and that is really all it is reflective of.
Yes. Perhaps not expressed brilliantly but that's pretty much what I said second time around. In summary you probably could extrapolate views of Belfast to NI but not those of Nolan show audience to either Belfast or NI
I would say that sounds about right.
The concern would be that people from other countries look at this show and think it is reflective of the lot of us.
I don't think Galloway was expecting what he got at all based on twitter comments etc - he was pretty much hijacked.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2014, 12:00:17 PM
I would say that sounds about right.
The concern would be that people from other countries look at this show and think it is reflective of the lot of us.
I don't think Galloway was expecting what he got at all based on twitter comments etc - he was pretty much hijacked.
The expressions of disbelief and complete bewilderment on the faces of Khalid Anis and Galloway said all that needed to be said about the views expressed, at least as far as any (what I would label) right minded people are concerned.
Any word about the DUP woman who called Ana Lo a racist???
I thinks there's still a debate to be had about belief systems of people who come here to live in a multicultural society but who in their heart of hearts would stone someone to death for adultery if they could apply such laws.
The media describe this as an extremist position within the muslim tradition yet these sunni's in the video below see themselves as ordinary joes and even they believe in such punishments. Who can say they would be happy living amongst people who think that way? Makes be pretty uncomfortable.
Couldn't live beside yer man McConnell either BTW.
Got this from Richard Dawkins feed on twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU)
Quote from: gallsman on May 30, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
have they stopped claiming Westminster expenses yet?
Why should they? Their MPs run full time constituency offices. They just don't attend the House of Commons.
Quote from: WT4E on May 30, 2014, 12:15:17 PM
Any word about the DUP woman who called Ana Lo a racist???
The DUP have apologised. Has probably cost her her shot at being mayor of Newtonabbey as, even if the DUP still nominate her, the other parties won't support.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 30, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 30, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
have they stopped claiming Westminster expenses yet?
Why should they? Their MPs run full time constituency offices. They just don't attend the House of Commons.
But they should still be applauded for "only taking the industrial wage", yes?
Quote from: gallsman on May 30, 2014, 12:28:23 PM
But they should still be applauded for "only taking the industrial wage", yes?
Should they be applauded for giving a part of their wages to a useless political party?
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 30, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 30, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
have they stopped claiming Westminster expenses yet?
Why should they? Their MPs run full time constituency offices. They just don't attend the House of Commons.
Any chance yous could take this shite to a relevant thread???
Quote from: gallsman on May 30, 2014, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 30, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 30, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
have they stopped claiming Westminster expenses yet?
Why should they? Their MPs run full time constituency offices. They just don't attend the House of Commons.
But they should still be applauded for "only taking the industrial wage", yes?
A not even subtle change of subject there gallsman! But yes, any politician who demonstrates that they are not being motivated by their own financial gain is worthy of some kudos.
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 12:23:16 PM
I thinks there's still a debate to be had about belief systems of people who come here to live in a multicultural society but who in their heart of hearts would stone someone to death for adultery if they could apply such laws.
The media describe this as an extremist position within the muslim tradition yet these sunni's in the video below see themselves as ordinary joes and even they believe in such punishments. Who can say they would be happy living amongst people who think that way? Makes be pretty uncomfortable.
Couldn't live beside yer man McConnell either BTW.
Got this from Richard Dawkins feed on twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU)
Well i imagine you are already living beside plenty of people who believe in the death penalty for certain crimes, maybe in a more 'humane' fashion such as hanging, electric chair etc. Most of these people wouldnt be Muslim either I would hazard.
I would also hazard that P Robinson and McConnell would be firmly in the pro-capital punishment camp for offences which fall foul of their moral compass. So ironically they are firmly opposed to someone else's [of a different faith/race/nationality] beliefs being the basis upon which the laws of the country are based, whilst loudly proclaiming their right to do exactly the same.
Quote from: gallsman on May 30, 2014, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 30, 2014, 12:15:17 PM
Any word about the DUP woman who called Ana Lo a racist???
The DUP have apologised. Has probably cost her her shot at being mayor of Newtonabbey as, even if the DUP still nominate her, the other parties won't support.
I thought she would be punished not rewarded!
Is anyone here surprised by Pastor McConnell and Peter?
The man of God McConnell is only going down the well trodden and successful path of the Rev Ian where if you demonise a section of the community enough to the point where your flock start doing a bit of burning and what not before it expedites to full blown murder, but yet the man of gods hands are clean.
This time its the Muslims getting it, as sometimes the flock need something different to fear.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 30, 2014, 12:46:42 PM
Well i imagine you are already living beside plenty of people who believe in the death penalty for certain crimes, maybe in a more 'humane' fashion such as hanging, electric chair etc. Most of these people wouldnt be Muslim either I would hazard.
I would also hazard that P Robinson and McConnell would be firmly in the pro-capital punishment camp for offences which fall foul of their moral compass. So ironically they are firmly opposed to someone else's [of a different faith/race/nationality] beliefs being the basis upon which the laws of the country are based, whilst loudly proclaiming their right to do exactly the same.
I'm anti any creed of zealous religious nuttery and the pastor falls firmly into that camp.
However, I don't think the arguments you're putting forward address the point I made. There's a fair old gap between it being acceptable to stone someone to death for adultery or marrying outside of the faith and killing someone after they've been convicted for a brutal murder. I wouldn't be a fan of any of those laws but I can see there's a difference between them.
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
McGuinness cant have much to say given he is very good friends with Peter King who is on a par if not worse than McConnell.
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 03:06:33 PM
McGuinness cant have much to say given he is very good friends with Peter King who is on a par if not worse than McConnell. Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Didnt realise I was going to be the straight guy in that double act
GHD you don't like SF. We get it.
Now please give the f**k over.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 30, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
GHD you don't like SF. We get it.
Now please give the f**k over.
Have they issued a statement on the controversy?
I'm sure you would have cut and paste it here if they had......
If you thought Robbo was bad Henry Reilly on Nolan this morning did UKIP proud.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 30, 2014, 03:20:52 PM
I'm sure you would have cut and paste it here if they had......
So they havnt then?
They have spoke out about it. Why do they need a statement about it?
Because GHD wants the opportunity to mentioned Peter King again.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 30, 2014, 12:46:42 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 12:23:16 PM
I thinks there's still a debate to be had about belief systems of people who come here to live in a multicultural society but who in their heart of hearts would stone someone to death for adultery if they could apply such laws.
The media describe this as an extremist position within the muslim tradition yet these sunni's in the video below see themselves as ordinary joes and even they believe in such punishments. Who can say they would be happy living amongst people who think that way? Makes be pretty uncomfortable.
Couldn't live beside yer man McConnell either BTW.
Got this from Richard Dawkins feed on twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU)
Well i imagine you are already living beside plenty of people who believe in the death penalty for certain crimes, maybe in a more 'humane' fashion such as hanging, electric chair etc. Most of these people wouldnt be Muslim either I would hazard.
I would also hazard that P Robinson and McConnell would be firmly in the pro-capital punishment camp for offences which fall foul of their moral compass. So ironically they are firmly opposed to someone else's [of a different faith/race/nationality] beliefs being the basis upon which the laws of the country are based, whilst loudly proclaiming their right to do exactly the same.
I would say Peter would have loved to have been a Muslim just for a day when he found out about his lovely wife lol
He'd have thrown the first stone, heard a few stories about him and his way's with being a man about the house
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2014, 03:39:14 PM
They have spoke out about it. Why do they need a statement about it?
Im not the only one who wanted to hear what their public position is.
http://yvonneridley.org/analysis-and-opinion/defence-of-hate-preacher-exposes-weasel-words-and-the-language-of-hate/
What about SDLP, Alliance, NI21 etc etc...
You know their position?
Martin McGuinness has spoken out about it. Allbeit on social media but that is how most people communicate these days.
Not sure what you want here and this isn't coming from a SF fan...
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Was it halal prepared I wonder ::)
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2014, 05:23:30 PM
What about SDLP, Alliance, NI21 etc etc...
You know their position?
Martin McGuinness has spoken out about it. Allbeit on social media but that is how most people communicate these days.
Not sure what you want here and this isn't coming from a SF fan...
I havnt been at home all week and havnt had a chance to read statements from the different parties or church groups.
This is a world wide news story and an official statement is the least I and others would expect.
Something this serious deserves more than a 140 character Tweet.
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
Quote from: glens abu on May 30, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
You are 100% correct
Apart from the bit about not hyping on about it enough!
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
So your giving out about them doing something by calling it a sham on one hand, while giving out about them not making a statement on the other. No doubt you would have complained about it being a sham if they had given a statement. So SF couldn't win in your eyes. Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. But give over on the dragging of multiple threads into SF bashing. You've shown an agenda on here and it's getting boring.
The fact that u highlight SF'S lack of statement but don't question the others shows your clear bias.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 30, 2014, 07:27:59 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
So your giving out about them doing something by calling it a sham on one hand, while giving out about them not making a statement on the other. No doubt you would have complained about it being a sham if they had given a statement. So SF couldn't win in your eyes. Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. But give over on the dragging of multiple threads into SF bashing. You've shown an agenda on here and it's getting boring.
The fact that u highlight SF'S lack of statement but don't question the others shows your clear bias.
I asked what the reaction was from the other parties and church groups. I got replies in relation to Sinn Fein, and how they just replied on Twitter. If I had of got a reply about what the others said, I would have responded.
I haFr many reasons to question the lack of an official statement from Sinn Fein as I remember very well the refusal by Gerry Adams to speak at a rally held 4 years ago tomorrow after Israel murdered 9 Muslims on board the Mavi Marmara.
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
Excuse me for asking, but how much of a shite do Muslim countries give about Christians??? Do Christians in Muslim countries get treated as fairly as Muslims in Christian countries do????
Quote from: stew on May 30, 2014, 09:36:27 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
Excuse me for asking, but how much of a shite do Muslim countries give about Christians??? Do Christians in Muslim countries get treated as fairly as Muslims in Christian countries do????
That attitude will take us places! The race to the bottom.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 30, 2014, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 30, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 30, 2014, 08:58:06 AM
I think Sinn Fein party members take the average industrial wage, not the minimum wage. Still very commendable and something they don't hype on about enough. I stand to be corrected though :-\
You are 100% correct
Apart from the bit about not hyping on about it enough!
here that's just my perception of it. Given the expenses scandals here and in the uk, it was looking like a lot of politicians were just in it for the money. Whether you think there useless cnuts or not I don't think it was something that you could level at the shinners, and I didn't hear much mention of it. That's just my opinion on it, maybe you have shinners talking to you all the time slabbering about their average industrial wage :)
Quote from: stew on May 30, 2014, 09:36:27 PM
Excuse me for asking, but how much of a shite do Muslim countries give about Christians??? Do Christians in Muslim countries get treated as fairly as Muslims in Christian countries do????
Not what you'd call a very nuanced argument stew. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind so where do you go with that even if it is a truth?
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What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
Excuse me for asking, but how much of a shite do Muslim countries give about Christians??? DQo Christians in Muslim countries get treated as fairly as Muslims in Christian countries do????
Stew have a read at this article I put together 4 years ago after the Turkish ships were attacked going to Gaza
https://m.facebook.com/notes/gaza-tv-news/the-story-of-turkey-sending-ships-loaded-with-aid-to-ireland-during-the-famine-i/131888103518353
One of Ian Paisley's sons has called NI's first minister "condescending" and an "ignoramus" over comments he made in support of a controversial pastor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27637224
Newtownabbey deputy lord mayor Dineen Walker has apologised after calling Alliance MLA Anna Lo "racist" on social media, the DUP has said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27630653
Quote from: stew on May 30, 2014, 09:36:27 PM
Excuse me for asking, but how much of a shite do Muslim countries give about Christians??? Do Christians in Muslim countries get treated as fairly as Muslims in Christian countries do????
This is one of the points Khalid Anis was trying to make on Nolan - you can't simply categorise somewhere as "a Muslim country". There are many different forms of Islam practised in many different countries, just as there are many forms of Christianity practised in many different countries. And, in most instances, you do not have "Muslim countries" or "Christian countries" - you have states where the majority of the population happen to be Muslim or Christian.
Regardless, that's not the issue here. The sole issue here is the treatment of Muslims in the north of Ireland. We should hold ourselves to higher standards than "sure themmuns over there would do the same to us if we lived there".
Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 06:27:22 AM
One of Ian Paisley's sons has called NI's first minister "condescending" and an "ignoramus" over comments he made in support of a controversial pastor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27637224
Wonder what he makes of some of his dad's comments about Catholicism over the years.
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 07:48:13 PM
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Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
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Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
So your giving out about them doing something by calling it a sham on one hand, while giving out about them not making a statement on the other. No doubt you would have complained about it being a sham if they had given a statement. So SF couldn't win in your eyes. Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. But give over on the dragging of multiple threads into SF bashing. You've shown an agenda on here and it's getting boring.
The fact that u highlight SF'S lack of statement but don't question the others shows your clear bias.
I asked what the reaction was from the other parties and church groups. I got replies in relation to Sinn Fein, and how they just replied on Twitter. If I had of got a reply about what the others said, I would have responded.
I haFr many reasons to question the lack of an official statement from Sinn Fein as I remember very well the refusal by Gerry Adams to speak at a rally held 4 years ago tomorrow after Israel murdered 9 Muslims on board the Mavi Marmara.
That last bit is you in a nutshell. Sinn Fein is as vocal as any party in Ireland on Palestinian statehood but because they won't jump to your tune you go on the attack. You are every bit the fascist that the Israeli state is. Take a look in the mirror, you might not like what you have become.
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Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
So your giving out about them doing something by calling it a sham on one hand, while giving out about them not making a statement on the other. No doubt you would have complained about it being a sham if they had given a statement. So SF couldn't win in your eyes. Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. But give over on the dragging of multiple threads into SF bashing. You've shown an agenda on here and it's getting boring.
The fact that u highlight SF'S lack of statement but don't question the others shows your clear bias.
I asked what the reaction was from the other parties and church groups. I got replies in relation to Sinn Fein, and how they just replied on Twitter. If I had of got a reply about what the others said, I would have responded.
I haFr many reasons to question the lack of an official statement from Sinn Fein as I remember very well the refusal by Gerry Adams to speak at a rally held 4 years ago tomorrow after Israel murdered 9 Muslims on board the Mavi Marmara.
That last bit is you in a nutshell. Sinn Fein is as vocal as any party in Ireland on Palestinian statehood but because they won't jump to your tune you go on the attack. You are every bit the fascist that the Israeli state is. Take a look in the mirror, you might not like what you have become.
Itchy, there is an old saying, "actions speak louder than words".
Can you give me any examples of what Sinn Fein have done for the Palestinians over the past number of years?
Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 10:35:28 AM
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Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 30, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What has been the reaction, if any, from the other main political parties or church leaders to McConnell and Robinson?
Dyou mean parties in the 6?
There was a full scale row in the executive chambers yesterday when MMcG brought the topic up.
Another sham fight. They all had supper that evening together.
Bang on the money. Another fake row to pretend that they give a shit about Muslims .
So your giving out about them doing something by calling it a sham on one hand, while giving out about them not making a statement on the other. No doubt you would have complained about it being a sham if they had given a statement. So SF couldn't win in your eyes. Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. But give over on the dragging of multiple threads into SF bashing. You've shown an agenda on here and it's getting boring.
The fact that u highlight SF'S lack of statement but don't question the others shows your clear bias.
I asked what the reaction was from the other parties and church groups. I got replies in relation to Sinn Fein, and how they just replied on Twitter. If I had of got a reply about what the others said, I would have responded.
I haFr many reasons to question the lack of an official statement from Sinn Fein as I remember very well the refusal by Gerry Adams to speak at a rally held 4 years ago tomorrow after Israel murdered 9 Muslims on board the Mavi Marmara.
That last bit is you in a nutshell. Sinn Fein is as vocal as any party in Ireland on Palestinian statehood but because they won't jump to your tune you go on the attack. You are every bit the fascist that the Israeli state is. Take a look in the mirror, you might not like what you have become.
Itchy, there is an old saying, "actions speak louder than words".
Can you give me any examples of what Sinn Fein have done for the Palestinians over the past number of years?
They have been on some amount of "fact finding" junkets to Palestine, that's for sure.
Sinn Vein were elected to represent Irish people, not the Palestinians. What is it is exactly you expect them to do? My point is you are attacking that party on multiple fronts only because they won't tow your and Seafoods line.
Massive crowd at city hall for anti racism rally today.
Good to see people protesting though would be good to see it in the vote stakes.
There's an israel-palestine and sinn fein thread elsewhere...
There are many many things you can criticise Sinn Féin for, racism, Palestinians etc wouldn't be one of them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 31, 2014, 12:34:03 PM
Massive crowd at city hall for anti racism rally today.
Good to see people protesting though would be good to see it in the vote stakes.
There's an israel-palestine and sinn fein thread elsewhere...
Great turn out indeed. Proud to stand with everyone in solidarity against racism
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Rent-a-shapping mob!!!!
What does "shopping for" mean?
Quote from: Main Street on May 31, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
What does "shopping for" mean?
Robinson said said he wouldn't trust Muslims who were following Sharia law, but he had no difficulty trusting Muslims to go down to the shop for him.
Quote from: Main Street on May 31, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
What does "shopping for" mean?
its in reference to peter robinson saying he would trust a muslimm to do his shopping but not in everyday life or words to that effect
I don't know what the big deal is ....... Robinson only said what the majority of people are thinking themselves...
EXTREME Islam (eg, Sharia, Jihad) is incompatible with the cultural norms of a western democracy and should be stomped out with force
If the Muslims don't like it, fvck off back to whatever 3rd world hell hole you came from
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 05:45:10 PM
I don't know what the big deal is ....... Robinson only said what the majority of people are thinking themselves...
EXTREME Islam (eg, Sharia, Jihad) is incompatible with the cultural norms of a western democracy and should be stomped out with force
If the Muslims don't like it, fvck off back to whatever 3rd world hell hole you came from
Crawl back into whatever cave you were dragged out of Whitey, ya racist p***k.
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 05:45:10 PM
I don't know what the big deal is ....... Robinson only said what the majority of people are thinking themselves...
EXTREME Islam (eg, Sharia, Jihad) is incompatible with the cultural norms of a western democracy and should be stomped out with force
If the Muslims don't like it, fvck off back to whatever 3rd world hell hole you came from
What a lovely man/woman. ::) :-[
Mind you when you hear of that Sudanese Court sentencing a woman to death for marrying a Christian and shackling her to the floor when giving birth it's easy to see how views like the above can come about.
However 2 wrongs never make a right.
Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 05:45:10 PM
I don't know what the big deal is ....... Robinson only said what the majority of people are thinking themselves...
EXTREME Islam (eg, Sharia, Jihad) is incompatible with the cultural norms of a western democracy and should be stomped out with force
If the Muslims don't like it, fvck off back to whatever 3rd world hell hole you came from
Crawl back into whatever cave you were dragged out of Whitey, ya racist p***k.
+1 What a ridiculous statement.
Peter Robinson doesn't speak for me, he speaks for a constituency of thick, bigoted, racist loyalist sc**bag retards who with every passing hour through their rank stupidity and hatred bring the day of reunification closer as they increasingly repel their "fellow Britons" in the "mainland" with their Neanderthal antics (no disrespect to Neanderthals).
Quote from: red hander on May 31, 2014, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 05:45:10 PM
I don't know what the big deal is ....... Robinson only said what the majority of people are thinking themselves...
EXTREME Islam (eg, Sharia, Jihad) is incompatible with the cultural norms of a western democracy and should be stomped out with force
If the Muslims don't like it, fvck off back to whatever 3rd world hell hole you came from
Crawl back into whatever cave you were dragged out of Whitey, ya racist p***k.
+1 What a ridiculous statement.
Peter Robinson doesn't speak for me, he speaks for a constituency of thick, bigoted, racist loyalist sc**bag retards who with every passing hour through their rank stupidity and hatred bring the day of reunification closer as they increasingly repel their "fellow Britons" in the "mainland" with their Neanderthal antics (no disrespect to Neanderthals).
So you think it's only unionists/Protestants that are racist, seriously ?
Where do I say/intimate that? Hope your profession doesn't involve anything to do with brain surgery ::)
Quote from: red hander on May 31, 2014, 10:13:42 PM
Where do I say/intimate that? Hope your profession doesn't involve anything to do with brain surgery ::)
I wouldn't find one in your head going by your shrewd, astute analysis of this bringing "reunification" closer.
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Quote from: red hander on May 31, 2014, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 05:45:10 PM
I don't know what the big deal is ....... Robinson only said what the majority of people are thinking themselves...
EXTREME Islam (eg, Sharia, Jihad) is incompatible with the cultural norms of a western democracy and should be stomped out with force
If the Muslims don't like it, fvck off back to whatever 3rd world hell hole you came from
Crawl back into whatever cave you were dragged out of Whitey, ya racist p***k.
+1 What a ridiculous statement.
Peter Robinson doesn't speak for me, he speaks for a constituency of thick, bigoted, racist loyalist sc**bag retards who with every passing hour through their rank stupidity and hatred bring the day of reunification closer as they increasingly repel their "fellow Britons" in the "mainland" with their Neanderthal antics (no disrespect to Neanderthals).
So you think it's only unionists/Protestants that are racist, seriously ?
To be fair there is a massive prodestant/catholic divide on this.
Though that can be explained by the fact the paster is a prodestant and Robinson is an unionist. Alot of the ordinary unionist/prodestant are just backing them up.
You all seem to have conveniently ignored my inclusion of the word EXTREME. (Think 7/7 bombers, Boston Bombers, or those horrible preachers they have in parts of the UK)
I myself an am immigrant, but I pay my taxes, obey the law and am assimilated into the culture of the country I live in.
Diversity is a positive thing, but when you allow people in who then seek to do you harm or who are all of sudden "offended" by the culture of their host nation, then I say don't let the door hit you on the way out
The results of the Euro elections last week prove I am not alone in these views
I think it is a sort of odd situation (or perhaps this might be the norm these days) where one side completely exaggerates the "islamisation of UK/europe/insert country" and the other seems willingly naive of the trouble or potential trouble we have brought on our selves.
Islam makes just about every other headline in UK papers these days. Not a day will pass where it's not in the news and yet they make up less than 5% of the UK population. And in doing so makes the situation worse as muslims feel they are being constantly attacked by the state and media while the native english feel they too are being attacked.
On the other hand to accept "diversity" and "multiculturalism" as unquestionably good things for your country and your people is also a grave mistake. There are benefits of diversity and there are downsides as well. You have to weigh these together. You also have to remember that it is not even necessary.
There are plenty of bigots within the islamic world just like the Ulster Unionists and they don't live far away in the middle east. They are in our countries now. And we ought to know what happens when bigots are able to get their hands on power.
I honestly think we are far too uncritical of the current liberal zeitgeist, because tearing into conservatism or pillars of society is easy, its a easily definable target, it may feel progressive as this gets results quickly and there is an assumption that it leads us all to a better place. But the word progress, you must remember, only means movement towards something and not necessarily for the better.
Quote from: thejuice on May 31, 2014, 11:35:31 PM
I think it is a sort of odd situation (or perhaps this might be the norm these days) where one side completely exaggerates the "islamisation of UK/europe/insert country" and the other seems willingly naive of the trouble or potential trouble we have brought on our selves.
Islam makes just about every other headline in UK papers these days. Not a day will pass where it's not in the news and yet they make up less than 5% of the UK population. And in doing so makes the situation worse as muslims feel they are being constantly attacked by the state and media while the native english feel they too are being attacked.
On the other hand to accept "diversity" and "multiculturalism" as unquestionably good things for your country and your people is also a grave mistake. There are benefits of diversity and there are downsides as well. You have to weigh these together. You also have to remember that it is not even necessary.
There are plenty of bigots within the islamic world just like the Ulster Unionists and they don't live far away in the middle east. They are in our countries now. And we ought to know what happens when bigots are able to get their hands on power.
I honestly think we are far too uncritical of the current liberal zeitgeist, because tearing into conservatism or pillars of society is easy, its a easily definable target, it may feel progressive as this gets results quickly and there is an assumption that it leads us all to a better place. But the word progress, you must remember, only means movement towards something and not necessarily for the better.
Aye but it gives us the opportunity to stick the boot into Robbo.
Basically he's top dog making sweeping generalisations about a culture. That reflects very badly on ni and things like investment opportunities etc could be compromised.
There are aspects of muslim faith that people may be uncomfortable with, as per any faith i guess, but you don't broadbrush everyone of that faith on the back of it. Especially when you're in charge and your opinion reflects badly on everyone.
I still await what cameron says with interest. Don't think this is over yet.
It was amazing to see so many people turn up today in support of Anna Lo, and against racism. A very loud message was delivered that we can't tolerate racism in any form. Neither should we tolerate sectarianism, hate speech, or bigots in any form.
However, as we all know, thats not how things are in reality. As the rally ended today, the "Fleggers" moved in. A bunch of corner boys, bully boys, old and young women draped in red white and blue. They flexed their muscle in every way they could, and they pushed on through what was left of the crowd, looking to stir up some shit. I had a few choice words for Willy Frazier........
This was them singing the Billy Boys, with a special emphasis on "up to our necks in Fenian blood"
I hope this link works:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152493875044314&set=vb.541019313&type=2&theater¬if_t=like
I have been thinking a lot today since I came home from the rally, and with what is going on and has been going on, and I have come
to the conclusion that we are fecked and caught up in a sectarian head count that has been festering and getting worse for a few years now.
I'm 44, born a month before "the troubles" began, and right now, I am witnessing raw naked sectarian hatred that wasn't as evident during the height of the troubles.
No amount of money or PR events like the G8, the city of culture, or the Giro can cure this illness.
It is very very depressing right now.
As critical as I am of Sinn Fein, the DUP are the single greatest stumbling block to progress right now.
They are directly responsible for the state we are currently in, and I can't see anything from them that gives me any hope.
There is no hope with them whatsoever. No accountability for anything, no progressiveness, nothing.
Any progress in this place is in spite of them and not because of them.
The flag debacle and their shafting of alliance then subsequent silence was an absolute disgrace. Yet no one pulls them on it.
They are, and this illustrates it again, untouchable.
Then people vote them in.
Depressing.
Failure to permit proper,rational,reasoned debate on any subject, inevitably leads to the rise of extreme right parties as we are witnessing all over Europe. The so called Liberals[though they are nothing of the sort] have attempted to discourage debate on issues such as Immigration, Homosexuality, Islamization, Europe and many other topics. The uniform stance of all the various media, controlled by large corporations, not only deny free expression, but combine and hasten to demonise and ridicule any group or individual expressing views at variance with their world view.Instead off encouraging debate and participation, the mainstream parties and press throughout Europe and the U.S.A seek to enforce a rigid orthodoxy to their illiberal creed. No view which has received their impra-mater will be tolerated. They call it political correctness, when its real name is censorship.
Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 11:52:27 PM
I'm 44, born a month before "the troubles" began, and right now, I am witnessing raw naked sectarian hatred that wasn't as evident during the height of the troubles.
GHD aren't you from Dungannon? Are you telling me you have never been in Milltown? As raw and sectarian as you'll get anywhere in the north.
Quote from: Pangurban on June 01, 2014, 12:06:24 AM
Failure to permit proper,rational,reasoned debate on any subject, inevitably leads to the rise of extreme right parties as we are witnessing all over Europe. The so called Liberals[though they are nothing of the sort] have attempted to discourage debate on issues such as Immigration, Homosexuality, Islamization, Europe and many other topics. The uniform stance of all the various media, controlled by large corporations, not only deny free expression, but combine and hasten to demonise and ridicule any group or individual expressing views at variance with their world view.Instead off encouraging debate and participation, the mainstream parties and press throughout Europe and the U.S.A seek to enforce a rigid orthodoxy to their illiberal creed. No view which has received their impra-mater will be tolerated. They call it political correctness, when its real name is censorship.
Pangurban, there is some truth in what you say. But this agenda is given credence by the likes of McConnell or Robinson who are not measured in their comments. The truth is nuanced and both extremes are dangerous.
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Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 11:52:27 PM
I'm 44, born a month before "the troubles" began, and right now, I am witnessing raw naked sectarian hatred that wasn't as evident during the height of the troubles.
GHD aren't you from Dungannon? Are you telling me you have never been in Milltown? As raw and sectarian as you'll get anywhere in the north.
I live a stone throw from it. A couple of weeks ago as people in our area had to go vote in Moygashel they were greeted by a group of Fleggers. They were never as visible or a vocal before.
Quote from: give her dixie on June 01, 2014, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on June 01, 2014, 12:10:19 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 31, 2014, 11:52:27 PM
I'm 44, born a month before "the troubles" began, and right now, I am witnessing raw naked sectarian hatred that wasn't as evident during the height of the troubles.
GHD aren't you from Dungannon? Are you telling me you have never been in Milltown? As raw and sectarian as you'll get anywhere in the north.
I live a stone throw from it. A couple of weeks ago as people in our area had to go vote in Moygashel they were greeted by a group of Fleggers. They were never as visible or a vocal before.
Ah Moygashel, a lovely place. How are the Kirks, Stuart still at the boxing? ;)
I fully agree with your comment Armaghniac, but that should not preclude reasoned,dispassionate debate. We may condemn the type of language used by Mc Connell and Robinson but we should not rush to convict them of bigotry, that is the liberals tactic.
Half tweleve on a Saturday night, and sure lets have a laugh........
"I Wouldn't Trust A Brackaville Man To Go To The Shop For Me" Says Coalisland Lady
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Brackaville Man Doing Shopping For A Newmills Woman
Recent comments by First Minister Peter Robinson have opened a can of worms in the county as pubs, clubs and homes debate who they'd trust to go to the shops for them. Early figures show an extremely low percentage of trustworthiness within the county with no one in Coalisland prepared to admit they'd allow a Brackaville man or woman to go to the shops for them.
Regular mass-goer, and founder of the Christian Ethos In Coalisland group, Maire Lyons was crystal clear with her take on the issue of trust:
"As long as there's breath in my body, I'd never allow a Brackavillonian to go to the shops for me. Put it like this, if you gave one of them money and a shopping bag and told them to get bread, milk and the papers for you, you'd never see that bag again. Or maybe you would but they'd be wearing it. Themuns are a shower of heathens up there. They'd take the eye out of your head if you stood still long enough. The bible says we're all God's children but they must be a different species completely."
Such views were replicated throughout the county with only 3% of Urney folk trusting Clady locals to do the shopping for them. At the other end of the scale there appeared to be evidence of a love-in between Galbally and Donaghmore with 88% of Galballians trusting their neighbours to go to the Spar for them. Pat McGinn explained:
"Ah I love it when I ask someone from up the road to go to the shop for me for a pound of mince or a packet of sausage rolls. Them Donaghmore ones are wild generous and sometimes you'd look into the bag and they've thrown in about £300 worth of food and jewels and stuff. People say Donaghmore is the Kengsinton of Tyrone but I'd not have a bad word said about them. They even throw coppers at us in the pub. Wild kind."
Meanwhile, an unexpected figure of 76% trustworthiness between Ardboe and Moortown residents was exposed as a fraud after it was revealed both areas have applied for a £30'000 grant to build a 'Friendship Wall' between them. Rumours suggest the money will be drank.
Quote from: Pangurban on June 01, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
I fully agree with your comment Armaghniac, but that should not preclude reasoned,dispassionate debate. We may condemn the type of language used by Mc Connell and Robinson but we should not rush to convict them of bigotry, that is the liberals tactic.
At the very least Mc Connell is not quite preaching Love thy Neighbour and Robinson is not acting as a statesman, whether their motives are bigotry, ignorance or seeking political advantage their conduct is not satisfactory and Northern Ireland is not a place where people are typically ignorant of the possible effects of what they say. Frankly, I'm disappointed in Robinson who has shown some ability to lead from time to time.
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
You all seem to have conveniently ignored my inclusion of the word EXTREME. (Think 7/7 bombers, Boston Bombers, or those horrible preachers they have in parts of the UK)
I myself an am immigrant, but I pay my taxes, obey the law and am assimilated into the culture of the country I live in.
Diversity is a positive thing, but when you allow people in who then seek to do you harm or who are all of sudden "offended" by the culture of their host nation, then I say don't let the door hit you on the way out
The results of the Euro elections last week prove I am not alone in these views
"whitey" ;)
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 01, 2014, 07:22:22 AM
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
You all seem to have conveniently ignored my inclusion of the word EXTREME. (Think 7/7 bombers, Boston Bombers, or those horrible preachers they have in parts of the UK)
I myself an am immigrant, but I pay my taxes, obey the law and am assimilated into the culture of the country I live in.
Diversity is a positive thing, but when you allow people in who then seek to do you harm or who are all of sudden "offended" by the culture of their host nation, then I say don't let the door hit you on the way out
The results of the Euro elections last week prove I am not alone in these views
"whitey" ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY&feature=kp
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 31, 2014, 10:16:02 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 31, 2014, 10:13:42 PM
Where do I say/intimate that? Hope your profession doesn't involve anything to do with brain surgery ::)
I wouldn't find one in your head going by your shrewd, astute analysis of this bringing "reunification" closer.
Try answering the question, Einstein
Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
who are all of sudden "offended" by the culture of their host nation
You've actually just described Ulster unionists there. Scot Gaels being offended by Gaelic culture
A few months ago the Unionists of NAbbey council tried to ban a play which they considered insulting to their religion. There were cries of Censorship, that freedom of speech should prevail.
Either Pastor Mc Connells sermon and the Abridged bible should be banned or both dhould be allowed.
Quote from: give her dixie on June 01, 2014, 12:27:12 AM
Half tweleve on a Saturday night, and sure lets have a laugh........
"I Wouldn't Trust A Brackaville Man To Go To The Shop For Me" Says Coalisland Lady
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Brackaville Man Doing Shopping For A Newmills Woman
Recent comments by First Minister Peter Robinson have opened a can of worms in the county as pubs, clubs and homes debate who they'd trust to go to the shops for them. Early figures show an extremely low percentage of trustworthiness within the county with no one in Coalisland prepared to admit they'd allow a Brackaville man or woman to go to the shops for them.
Regular mass-goer, and founder of the Christian Ethos In Coalisland group, Maire Lyons was crystal clear with her take on the issue of trust:
"As long as there's breath in my body, I'd never allow a Brackavillonian to go to the shops for me. Put it like this, if you gave one of them money and a shopping bag and told them to get bread, milk and the papers for you, you'd never see that bag again. Or maybe you would but they'd be wearing it. Themuns are a shower of heathens up there. They'd take the eye out of your head if you stood still long enough. The bible says we're all God's children but they must be a different species completely."
Such views were replicated throughout the county with only 3% of Urney folk trusting Clady locals to do the shopping for them. At the other end of the scale there appeared to be evidence of a love-in between Galbally and Donaghmore with 88% of Galballians trusting their neighbours to go to the Spar for them. Pat McGinn explained:
"Ah I love it when I ask someone from up the road to go to the shop for me for a pound of mince or a packet of sausage rolls. Them Donaghmore ones are wild generous and sometimes you'd look into the bag and they've thrown in about £300 worth of food and jewels and stuff. People say Donaghmore is the Kengsinton of Tyrone but I'd not have a bad word said about them. They even throw coppers at us in the pub. Wild kind."
Meanwhile, an unexpected figure of 76% trustworthiness between Ardboe and Moortown residents was exposed as a fraud after it was revealed both areas have applied for a £30'000 grant to build a 'Friendship Wall' between them. Rumours suggest the money will be drank.
Is the correct term not GalbHallions?
Quote from: LeoMc on June 01, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
A few months ago the Unionists of NAbbey council tried to ban a play which they considered insulting to their religion. There were cries of Censorship, that freedom of speech should prevail.
Either Pastor Mc Connells sermon and the Abridged bible should be banned or both dhould be allowed.
newton, is that you? you newt
Quote from: LeoMc on June 01, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
A few months ago the Unionists of NAbbey council tried to ban a play which they considered insulting to their religion. There were cries of Censorship, that freedom of speech should prevail.
Either Pastor Mc Connells sermon and the Abridged bible should be banned or both dhould be allowed.
The two are not comparable. McConnell is quite entitled to state that Muslim theology is in error, but a blanket condemnation of the ability of all Muslims to participate in society was different. But above all Robinson, a civic figure, should not have agreed with it.
In error... Satanic was the word he used. Slightly less acceptable...
Quote from: charlieTully on June 01, 2014, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 01, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
A few months ago the Unionists of NAbbey council tried to ban a play which they considered insulting to their religion. There were cries of Censorship, that freedom of speech should prevail.
Either Pastor Mc Connells sermon and the Abridged bible should be banned or both dhould be allowed.
newton, is that you? you newt
No, just plagiarising his article.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2014, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 01, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
A few months ago the Unionists of NAbbey council tried to ban a play which they considered insulting to their religion. There were cries of Censorship, that freedom of speech should prevail.
Either Pastor Mc Connells sermon and the Abridged bible should be banned or both dhould be allowed.
The two are not comparable. McConnell is quite entitled to state that Muslim theology is in error, but a blanket condemnation of the ability of all Muslims to participate in society was different. But above all Robinson, a civic figure, should not have agreed with it.
It can be difficult to figure out exactly where that line between freedom of expression and incitement lays. A bigot is as entitled to his opinion as you or I, but what you or I consider reasonable may not tally with an Imam or pastor considers reasonable.
Pakistani man in hospital after being assaulted at Belfast home hours after house targeted in race attack
A Pakistani man has been assaulted at his north Belfast home just hours after his house was targeted in an earlier race attack.
Muhammad Asif Khattak was set upon after being subjected to a barrage of racist abuse by a group of people outside his Parkmount Street home at around 3.15pm on Sunday afternoon.
He was then chased into his home before being attacked. Another man inside was also assaulted.
A 57-year-old man and a woman, aged 18, have been arrested in connection with the hate crime.
Muhammad Asif Khattak (24) had earlier called on First Minister Peter Robinson to apologise personally to all Muslims after he defended comments made by a firebrand pastor who denounced Islam as "satanic".
His comments came after a bottle was thrown through the window of his home in the early hours of Sunday morning.
It happened at around 2.50am.
Mr Khattak - who shares the property with another friend - said he no longer felt safe living in Belfast.
"If we go outside in the street, people will start swearing at us - what can we do?" he said.
"We are just foreigners, we don't feel accepted.
"We are scared now and my family and friends are telling me to come back to London."
Regarding the ongoing row surrounding Peter Robinson's backing of comments made by Pastor James McConnell, he told the BBC the First Minister should "apologise in person to all Muslims".
This week, Muslim representatives said they had received and accepted an apology from Peter Robinson in the wake of controversial remarks he made about members of the Islamic faith.
Mr Robinson has also always consistently condemned race attacks.
Today, North Belfast MP Nigel Dodds condemned the latest race attack.
"This attack like all the others on homes in north Belfast is utterly disgraceful," he said.
"There is no justification for any attack on an individual or their home whatever the religion, lifestyle, or ethnicity of the person concerned."
The latest incident in the city comes just hours after some 4,000 people attended an anti-racism rally in the heart of Belfast city centre, while a similar event was also held in Londonderry.
Organisers of the Belfast rally said it was held to communicate the city's support of its migrant and ethnic minority residents.
It was held after Alliance MLA Anna Lo said she would quit politics due to ongoing racist abuse directed at her by loyalists.
Ms Lo said had previously said she was considering leaving Northern Ireland following comments made by First Minister Peter Robinson in support of the controversial pastor who denounced Islam.
Ms Lo - who represents South Belfast and just last week ran as a candidate in the European elections - said she was "angry" at the backing given to Pastor James McConnell.
Pastor McConnell had described the Islamic faith as "Satanic" during a sermon at his Whitewell Metropolitan Tabernacle church in Belfast last month.
He also said while there may be "good Muslims" in Britain " I don't trust them".
Earlier this week Peter Robinson moved to assure members of the Islamic community by saying "no part of me would want to insult or cause distress to local Muslims".
But he continued his defence of Pastor McConnell's "right to freedom of speech".
A spokesperson behind Saturday's rally in Belfast said the attacks on migrants in Northern Ireland were "shaming".
"A clear rise in racial prejudice is shaming. Widespread and growing Islamophobia is shaming.
"The fact that Anna Lo MLA is now considering leaving Northern Ireland due to racism – that's shaming. Shame isn't enough."
Plans for an anti-racism march through the streets of Belfast have been announced.
The event, planned for next Saturday, is being described as a chance for the community to take a stand against racism.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/pakistani-man-in-hospital-after-being-assaulted-at-belfast-home-hours-after-house-targeted-in-race-attack-30320300.html
And another one.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/preacher-at-ian-paisleys-former-church-denounces-islam-as-a-wicked-religion-30321153.html
These attacks have absolutely nothing to do with the lovely Pastor and the First Minister of Norn Iron or course.
It'll take some poor indiviudal to get killed before those fools in the PSNI pay any attention!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27667937 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27667937)
Interesting to see this happen. On one hand you think fair play to him while on the other hand you think maybe you shouldn't have vented so much in the first place.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27667937 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27667937)
Interesting to see this happen. On one hand you think fair play to him while on the other hand you think maybe you shouldn't have vented so much in the first place.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/preacher-at-ian-paisleys-former-church-denounces-islam-as-a-wicked-religion-30321153.html
Just a week after a scandal was sparked by a preacher slating Islam as "satanic", a second preacher has launched a broadside against the faith.
The minister at Lord Bannside's former church, Martyr's Memorial Free Presbyterian in east Belfast, has blasted Islam as a "violent intolerant wicked religion".
The Rev Ian Brown was speaking at a recent Sunday evening service in defence of Pastor James McConnell, whom he described as a "prophet".
The Free Presbyterian minister told his flock last Sunday evening he felt the situation had become "thoroughly ridiculous".
In an sermon posted on the Martyr's Memorial website, Rev Brown is heard saying: "Now the allies and sympathisers of Islam are up on their hind legs; what we can call that secularist Taliban who dominate our medium, they are sharpening their literary sabres and they are swinging for him, their attempt at their own version of a verbal hanging with a couple of blistering attacks which were passed off as interviews on the Nolan radio and television shows."
He blamed "anti-Christian intolerance" for the row.
"This all becoming thoroughly ridiculous.
Bizarre," he added. "I'm thinking of the core of this controversy, at the heart of this firestorm that has erupted over the past week, is intolerance.
"And this intolerance did not come from Mr McConnell... anti-Christian intolerance is alive and kicking in our world today."
He also attacked Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness.
"Is it not hugely ironic that one of his loudest critics is Martin McGuinness, of IRA/Sinn Fein, who now has the nerve to stand up and present himself... whenever the terrorists organisation, of which he was a part, murdered people in this city, such as the young academic Edgar Graham," he said.
"They were judge, jury and executioner in this country, so this is so sweet coming from a leader of a band of murderous thugs who rode to political power on the back of a campaign of terror which left hundreds murdered and thousands injured."
Rev Brown next turned his attention to the main Protestant churches, accusing them as "hollow love and no truth". However the minister reserved his sternest words for Islam.
"People in the west need to know that the image of Islam as a violent intolerant wicked religion is in fact true and growing more so every day," he told his congregation.
"It is violent, it is religion that was born out of violence".
Background
Two Sundays ago Pastor James McConnell told his congregation at Whitewell Metropolitan Tabernacle in north Belfast that Islam was "satanic" and a "doctrine spawned in hell". The sermon was inspired by an incident in Sudan, during which a young mother was sentenced to 100 lashes and death for refusing to renounce her Christian faith.
The pastor's words sparked an outcry and demands for an apology from the Muslim community in Belfast. Police are investigating the remarks as possible hate crime. The row intensified after Peter Robinson said the pastor had his backing.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on June 02, 2014, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27667937 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27667937)
Interesting to see this happen. On one hand you think fair play to him while on the other hand you think maybe you shouldn't have vented so much in the first place.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/preacher-at-ian-paisleys-former-church-denounces-islam-as-a-wicked-religion-30321153.html
Just a week after a scandal was sparked by a preacher slating Islam as "satanic", a second preacher has launched a broadside against the faith.
The minister at Lord Bannside's former church, Martyr's Memorial Free Presbyterian in east Belfast, has blasted Islam as a "violent intolerant wicked religion".
The Rev Ian Brown was speaking at a recent Sunday evening service in defence of Pastor James McConnell, whom he described as a "prophet".
The Free Presbyterian minister told his flock last Sunday evening he felt the situation had become "thoroughly ridiculous".
In an sermon posted on the Martyr's Memorial website, Rev Brown is heard saying: "Now the allies and sympathisers of Islam are up on their hind legs; what we can call that secularist Taliban who dominate our medium, they are sharpening their literary sabres and they are swinging for him, their attempt at their own version of a verbal hanging with a couple of blistering attacks which were passed off as interviews on the Nolan radio and television shows."
He blamed "anti-Christian intolerance" for the row.
"This all becoming thoroughly ridiculous.
Bizarre," he added. "I'm thinking of the core of this controversy, at the heart of this firestorm that has erupted over the past week, is intolerance.
"And this intolerance did not come from Mr McConnell... anti-Christian intolerance is alive and kicking in our world today."
He also attacked Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness.
"Is it not hugely ironic that one of his loudest critics is Martin McGuinness, of IRA/Sinn Fein, who now has the nerve to stand up and present himself... whenever the terrorists organisation, of which he was a part, murdered people in this city, such as the young academic Edgar Graham," he said.
"They were judge, jury and executioner in this country, so this is so sweet coming from a leader of a band of murderous thugs who rode to political power on the back of a campaign of terror which left hundreds murdered and thousands injured."
Rev Brown next turned his attention to the main Protestant churches, accusing them as "hollow love and no truth". However the minister reserved his sternest words for Islam.
"People in the west need to know that the image of Islam as a violent intolerant wicked religion is in fact true and growing more so every day," he told his congregation.
"It is violent, it is religion that was born out of violence".
Background
Two Sundays ago Pastor James McConnell told his congregation at Whitewell Metropolitan Tabernacle in north Belfast that Islam was "satanic" and a "doctrine spawned in hell". The sermon was inspired by an incident in Sudan, during which a young mother was sentenced to 100 lashes and death for refusing to renounce her Christian faith.
The pastor's words sparked an outcry and demands for an apology from the Muslim community in Belfast. Police are investigating the remarks as possible hate crime. The row intensified after Peter Robinson said the pastor had his backing.
It's open season on Muslims and Islam by the looks of it.
I wonder how long we will have to wait until another man of the cloth lets rip........
If it fills those pews, then it'll not be long.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 02, 2014, 03:25:46 PM
If it fills those pews collection plates, then it'll not be long.
Fixed that for you!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2014, 03:32:42 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 02, 2014, 03:25:46 PM
If it fills those pews collection plates, then it'll not be long.
Fixed that for you!
The free Ps don't have collection plates, direct debit is the way.
Matthew Ian 6:3
When you give alms your left hand shouldn't know how much the direct debit is set up for.
I had the Jahoova's call to my door yesterday trying to tell me about how the world was going to stop all the suffering........I think he was glad to get rid of me by the time I'd finished with him....I have that affect on people generally though :)
Quote from: theskull1 on June 02, 2014, 04:34:11 PM
I had the Jahoova's call to my door yesterday trying to tell me about how the world was going to stop all the suffering........I think he was glad to get rid of me by the time I'd finished with him....I have that affect on people generally though :)
I love it when they call!! tell them you are a Catholic is a red rag to a bull, some craic
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2014, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on June 02, 2014, 04:34:11 PM
I had the Jahoova's call to my door yesterday trying to tell me about how the world was going to stop all the suffering........I think he was glad to get rid of me by the time I'd finished with him....I have that affect on people generally though :)
I love it when they call!! tell them you are a Catholic is a red rag to a bull, some craic
My father brings them in for a chat. He then starts to dispute their version of events by insisting that the authors of The Bible were merely the journalists of the day. This never goes down well.
Quote from: theskull1 on June 02, 2014, 04:34:11 PM
I had the Jahoova's call to my door yesterday trying to tell me about how the world was going to stop all the suffering........I think he was glad to get rid of me by the time I'd finished with him....I have that affect on people generally though :)
They used to call at my door too. Telling me that Jesus loves me and in the Gardens of Heaven, I'll be able to run through the grass with Jesus and be 6ft tall.
He once asked me if I wanted to go in a van with him to a JW meeting in Kildare. I told him under no circumstances was I getting into the back of a van with him or anyone of them.
How can this illness of hatred be cured?
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I've commented before on some of the people on that PUL page, but they are absolutely disgraceful. Absolutely ignorant, bigotted, bile filled excuses for human beings. And this isn't even 'trolling'. These people are putting these comments on their own personal pages with names and photos clearly visible. How could any employer even look at any of these apes and consider hiring them?
Sadly in the 6Cos the so called leaders of Unionism always pander to these absolute vile shitbags of alleged humans.
Of course if there were any standards on these social media thingys crap like that would be deleted and the perpetrators immediately closed down.
Bred to hate
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 03, 2014, 01:29:27 PM
I've commented before on some of the people on that PUL page, but they are absolutely disgraceful. Absolutely ignorant, bigotted, bile filled excuses for human beings. And this isn't even 'trolling'. These people are putting these comments on their own personal pages with names and photos clearly visible. How could any employer even look at any of these apes and consider hiring them?
(http://hipsterracist.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/guy-laughing-at-you-thumb1094641.jpg)
That's about the level of the people that are outside the city hall every saturday protesting.
There was a big opportunity for Robinson to speak out and distance himself here and he hasn't. Every time there is something which clouds him or his party he stays silent.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2014, 01:40:19 PM
That's about the level of the people that are outside the city hall every saturday protesting.
There was a big opportunity for Robinson to speak out and distance himself here and he hasn't. Every time there is something which clouds him or his party he stays silent.
His silence speaks volumes.
And to think he was telling his Party conference that the DUPers need to start "converting people to Unionism".
I think his (in)actions have made sure lukewarm Nationalists will remain Nationalist.
Here are a selection of comments from a photo Willy Frazer posted on Saturday.
The picture is of 3 Muslim lads holding a sign saying "I am shopping for Peter"
Andrew Scarlett Can wee not round these black c##ts up and put them back on the seem 40ft lorry they came over to r country and show them the door??
31 May at 13:14 · Like · 7
Sandra Whiteside smart f..kers !!
31 May at 13:14 · Like · 2
David Irwin black c***s,,they don't shop they just steel everything
31 May at 13:15 · Like · 5
Andrew Scarlett Last call for dover!!
31 May at 13:16 · Like · 4
Denise Gordon Well said Willie. I'm not racist either but Nolan shoulders much of this
31 May at 13:35 · Like · 9
Sandra Whiteside Denise im not racist either but I do think Nolan is part of the blame for this. agree with you.
31 May at 13:48 · Like · 4
Denise Gordon Definitely SandrA. This week alone seen an hotel bombed, a young man dying in police custody, and a paedophile trying to abduct children in tyrone, yet Nolan still whines on about the pastors comments.
31 May at 13:50 · Like · 11
Billy Shannon Wonder who wrote the sign for them?
31 May at 14:29 · Like · 2
Isobel Montgomery Oh and anna low was there with them says a lot
31 May at 14:38 · Like · 4
Jim Stewart The Alliance Party's military wing The Taliban Al Qaeda
31 May at 14:46 · Edited · Like · 8
Tim Ruddell Clearly Nolan is working to his own agenda, but some of the comments on here are disgusting. Some people need to take a good hard look at themselves.
31 May at 16:16 · Like · 36
Robert Bamford Away and shite Tim . If you don't like what you see don't look
31 May at 16:17 · Like · 1
Mark Gilmour These should read, I'm here living of the tax payer.
31 May at 16:22 · Like · 2
Mark Gilmour I wonder if the border agency were about to check if these people were all in the country legally, or would that be racist too?
31 May at 16:23 · Edited · Like · 3
Tim Ruddell Robert Bamford..."away and shite"? Why? I take it you don't agree in civil and religious liberty for all?
31 May at 17:14 · Like · 9
Robert Bamford Not for those with your viewpoint . So why exactly are the views on here disgusting ???
31 May at 17:19 · Like
Tim Ruddell Robert, why don't you tell me what my viewpoint is.
31 May at 17:27 · Like
Robert Bamford Well you don't appear to have issues with Muslims living in Ulster and that is where we differ
31 May at 17:30 · Like
Tim Ruddell I don't have a problem with anyone living in NI, as long as they respect and abide by our laws, as long as they aren't benefit tourists, as long as they don't use their minority status to gain preferential treatment. We should sort our own house out ie benefit cheats, drug dealers, criminals etc etc before playing the holier than thou card.
31 May at 17:41 · Like · 21
David McClenaghan Look; lets put this comment in context.. Whilst Robinson is fully capable of defending himself, I would like to clarify one thing - He said, He would not trust a Muslim to go to the shop for him, if they were involved in terrorism, he would not trust ANYONE who was involved in terrorism.. Well; here's a first - i wouldn't trust anyone who was involved in terrorism either - DOES THAT MAKE ME A RACIST?? NO IT DOES NOT... Now we have the previously crying Anna Lo, standing at city hall , shouting about how she is not leaving N.I. - yesterday she was crying to Paul Nolan and anyone else who would point a microphone at her, spouting about leaving N.I. but 24 hours later, she's on the campaign trail again, looking for votes from the liberal sympathetic brigade, and that makes me sick and view her previous claims with scepticism... Yes; people MAY have seen her and shouted abuse, but ONLY because of her comments on a United Ireland and her parties decision to support the claer Republican manufactured offended issue, then backing the sdlp/sf pan National front to remove another vestige of our nationality, (Union Flag).. If; and I use the word cautiously, IF, someone used a racist slur, it is NOT a justification to claim she felt fear and threatened and using this as to incur sympathy or a vote... If you side with the IRA on their manufactured conflicts/issues, which are designed to insult, degrade and humiliate the previous targets of their genocide, then be prepared to accept that you are open to criticism...
31 May at 19:00 · Like · 8
Jeanne Griffin I wonder if we could protest against the leader of their countries? Probably get the Bengazi treatment.
31 May at 20:05 · Like · 1
Jeanne Griffin Islam is not a race. Has anybody informed Anna Lo of this?
31 May at 20:06 · Like · 2
Stuart McMaster Stephen Nolan is a fat ****....fact
31 May at 20:31 · Like · 3
Steven Adair wrong stuart, he's a useless fat ****....fact lol
31 May at 23:07 · Like · 2
James Johnston Ferguson are those three gentlemen ulster born ?
1 June at 00:44 · Like
David McClenaghan Local boys done good...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=777677525584674&set=a.173732535979179.62685.100000273022940&type=1&theater
Amazing how such tiny minds can produce so much hatred.
Quote from: muppet on June 03, 2014, 03:43:07 PM
Amazing how such tiny minds can produce so much hatred.
Its all Nolans fault you know.
Quote from: give her dixie on June 03, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
How can this illness of hatred be cured?
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No one came back to me on my previous question about whether within today's youth there is actually this vitriolic sectarianism and xenophobia on the nationalist side to the same degree? I know there are instances of racism in the south etc so not trying to make out that one side is perfect but do you find sh*te like this coming out of the more "down and out" nationalist areas as standard? Am assuming that this is only from the down and outs and not par for the course for the unionist middle class (in my experience would not be).
Quote from: CiKe on June 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on June 03, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
How can this illness of hatred be cured?
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/f870fde14c155187251d61c0101cb756/tumblr_n6k8pe3Y5E1ta8zlbo1_1280.jpg)
No one came back to me on my previous question about whether within today's youth there is actually this vitriolic sectarianism and xenophobia on the nationalist side to the same degree? I know there are instances of racism in the south etc so not trying to make out that one side is perfect but do you find sh*te like this coming out of the more "down and out" nationalist areas as standard? Am assuming that this is only from the down and outs and not par for the course for the unionist middle class (in my experience would not be).
Allister and UKIP got nearly 100,000 votes between them - approx
one third of the Unionist Vote.
How many Nationalist votes went to bigoted extremist racist parties?
Quote from: hardstation on June 03, 2014, 04:41:45 PM
"Down & out"
::)
Sorry hardstation, wasn't sure what to put there but I hate defining by working class, middle class etc and didn't want to tar decent "working class" people with the same brush as the scum posting that crap. Shouldn't really have used it as applying to whole areas mind you.
In my experience "middle class" unionists wouldn't associate themselves with that sh*t, nor would "middle class" nationalists. My guess is that that view is more prevalent in unionist areas with more difficult socio-economic conditions and my questions are a) is that view more prevalent in nationalist areas with worse socio-economic problems than the more "middle class" areas? and b) is the prevalence of that view higher in more socio-economic challenged unionist areas than nationalist areas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuPvHKX9MTA&autoplay=1&app=desktop
Quote from: CiKe on June 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
No one came back to me on my previous question about whether within today's youth there is actually this vitriolic sectarianism and xenophobia on the nationalist side to the same degree? I know there are instances of racism in the south etc so not trying to make out that one side is perfect but do you find sh*te like this coming out of the more "down and out" nationalist areas as standard? Am assuming that this is only from the down and outs and not par for the course for the unionist middle class (in my experience would not be).
Far be it from me to suggest that Nationalist/Republicans are holier than thou (they ain't), but this is much more prevalent/extreme within loyalist circles.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 03, 2014, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: CiKe on June 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
No one came back to me on my previous question about whether within today's youth there is actually this vitriolic sectarianism and xenophobia on the nationalist side to the same degree? I know there are instances of racism in the south etc so not trying to make out that one side is perfect but do you find sh*te like this coming out of the more "down and out" nationalist areas as standard? Am assuming that this is only from the down and outs and not par for the course for the unionist middle class (in my experience would not be).
Far be it from me to suggest that Nationalist/Republicans are holier than thou (they ain't), but this is much more prevalent/extreme within loyalist circles.
Thanks. As I said earlier in thread I am a long time gone from the north but that was always my perception and just wanted to check if is a more or less consensus view on the board? While there are always a few idiots and perhaps some on the board whose views might be considered a little biased, on the whole I would say that the board is fairly open minded and capable of recognising if this is not in fact the case.
Can somebody define working class for me? It seems a little Victorian for today's definition, because whenever people use it in relation to an area, it's usually somewhere with an unemployment level of nearly 50%. Moyross is working class, Southill is working class. I think it's an outdated term that should be scrapped.
While racism was being debated in Stormont today Robinson was meeting with the Parades commission ahead of this Saturdays parade. Anyone want to guess where his priorities lay?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2014, 04:54:46 PM
Allister and UKIP got nearly 100,000 votes between them - approx one third of the Unionist Vote.
How many Nationalist votes went to bigoted extremist racist parties?
Whatever about the TUV i don't think you can say that about the UKIP.
You should check a dictionary about what that word actually means before spouting it freely like you normally do.
Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson has met members of the Muslim community following the row over his remarks on Islam.
It comes after he defended comments made by Pastor James McConnell who described Islam as "heathen" and "satanic".
The DUP leader visited the Belfast Islamic centre on Tuesday evening to meet local members of the community.
He was greeted at the door with a bouquet of flowers.
Mr Robinson was welcomed by Dr Raied Al-Wazzan, executive secretary of the centre. He then went into the Wellington Park building in south Belfast for a private meeting.
Quote from: screenexile on June 03, 2014, 04:59:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuPvHKX9MTA&autoplay=1&app=desktop
http://www.youtube.com/user/63gc?annotation_id=channel%3A51884649-0-254e-8523-47d7b3a88f6&feature=iv&src_vid=TuPvHKX9MTA
this is what you are using as your source screenexile?
The North really does depress me. I don't think it will be long until we are back to war again. 2016 could set a lot of shite off. The Loyalists paranoia will be through the roof by that stage
Some rowing done this past week.
Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson has made a public apology for any offence caused to Muslims by his defence of Pastor James McConnell.
He was speaking after he met Muslim community leaders following the row over his remarks on Islam.
It comes after he defended comments made by the pastor who called Islam "heathen" and "satanic".
"I apologise face to face, personally, man to man, the way it should be done," he said.
Speaking outside Belfast Islamic Centre on Tuesday evening, after his private meeting, Mr Robinson said that he respected the people he had met and understood just how important a role they played.
"This society does depend on people from ethnic and religious minorities for the day-to-day life of our province," he said.
"I can't spend the rest of my life apologising, but what I can do is spend the rest of my life building the united community in Northern Ireland," Mr Robinson said.
He added that he now wanted to draw a line under the matter.
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Some rowing done this past week.
Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson has made a public apology for any offence caused to Muslims by his defence of Pastor James McConnell.
He was speaking after he met Muslim community leaders following the row over his remarks on Islam.
It comes after he defended comments made by the pastor who called Islam "heathen" and "satanic".
"I apologise face to face, personally, man to man, the way it should be done," he said.
Speaking outside Belfast Islamic Centre on Tuesday evening, after his private meeting, Mr Robinson said that he respected the people he had met and understood just how important a role they played.
"This society does depend on people from ethnic and religious minorities for the day-to-day life of our province," he said.
"I can't spend the rest of my life apologising, but what I can do is spend the rest of my life building the united community in Northern Ireland," Mr Robinson said.
He added that he now wanted to draw a line under the matter.
fair play, wont be holding my breath for an apology from the pastor, but if he did then a line could possibly be drawn under the matter.
Quote from: foxcommander on June 03, 2014, 06:04:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2014, 04:54:46 PM
Allister and UKIP got nearly 100,000 votes between them - approx one third of the Unionist Vote.
How many Nationalist votes went to bigoted extremist racist parties?
Whatever about the TUV i don't think you can say that about the UKIP.
You should check a dictionary about what that word actually means before spouting it freely like you normally do.
What are you talking about?
What word?
Quote from: give her dixie on June 03, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
How can this illness of hatred be cured?
Have a look in the mirror and tell us what you figure out #thejews
Quote from: charlieTully on June 03, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Some rowing done this past week.
Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson has made a public apology for any offence caused to Muslims by his defence of Pastor James McConnell.
He was speaking after he met Muslim community leaders following the row over his remarks on Islam.
It comes after he defended comments made by the pastor who called Islam "heathen" and "satanic".
"I apologise face to face, personally, man to man, the way it should be done," he said.
Speaking outside Belfast Islamic Centre on Tuesday evening, after his private meeting, Mr Robinson said that he respected the people he had met and understood just how important a role they played.
"This society does depend on people from ethnic and religious minorities for the day-to-day life of our province," he said.
"I can't spend the rest of my life apologising, but what I can do is spend the rest of my life building the united community in Northern Ireland," Mr Robinson said.
He added that he now wanted to draw a line under the matter.
fair play, wont be holding my breath for an apology from the pastor, but if he did then a line could possibly be drawn under the matter.
It took him a while, but hey, fair play to him for apologising publicly.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 03, 2014, 06:04:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2014, 04:54:46 PM
Allister and UKIP got nearly 100,000 votes between them - approx one third of the Unionist Vote.
How many Nationalist votes went to bigoted extremist racist parties?
Whatever about the TUV i don't think you can say that about the UKIP.
You should check a dictionary about what that word actually means before spouting it freely like you normally do.
What are you talking about?
What word?
You seem to call everyone a racist if you don't agree with them.
Are you saying all UKIP voters are racist? That's nearly 25% of the voters in the UK euro elections.
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur, a man so hungry for power that he cut paisley off at the knees and has continuously shown that he's not fit to lead our community as a whole. What other politician loses their MP status and stays as party header. The quicker Arlene gets in the better, no doubt Nigel has aspirations at the top job (god help us).
This country will struggle to move on until there is some real leadership for the loyalists. They got away with hatred for so long its intwined in their communities. I work with a few "loyalists" and get on perfectly well with them. We've been chatting about the world Cup recently and I was amazed at their attitude regarding south American countries, the 1st thing 2 of the lads said was 'Brazil that's full of catholics', I said 'what do you mean I thought it was full of Brazilians' somewhat winding him, to which he replied 'you know like Spain and Italy'.
One if the lads in work goes out with a Catholic girl from Camlough, I asked him did he get any shit from from his mates, he said 'no just slagging but my da cracked up and my granny wont speak to me'.:-/
I tried to get him to come to the Athletic Grounds this week as he enjoyed the Down/Tyrone game on TV, he politely refused but did mention WTF was the commentator on about a black card, he never shut up about it. the joys if sidebottom :-[
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur, a man so hungry for power that he cut paisley off at the knees and has continuously shown that he's not fit to lead our community as a whole. What other politician loses their MP status and stays as party header. The quicker Arlene gets in the better, no doubt Nigel has aspirations at the top job (god help us).
This country will struggle to move on until there is some real leadership for the loyalists. They got away with hatred for so long its intwined in their communities. I work with a few "loyalists" and get on perfectly well with them. We've been chatting about the world Cup recently and I was amazed at their attitude regarding south American countries, the 1st thing 2 of the lads said was 'Brazil that's full of catholics', I said 'what do you mean I thought it was full of Brazilians' somewhat winding him, to which he replied 'you know like Spain and Italy'.
One if the lads in work goes out with a Catholic girl from Camlough, I asked him did he get any shit from from his mates, he said 'no just slagging but my da cracked up and my granny wont speak to me'.:-/
I tried to get him to come to the Athletic Grounds this week as he enjoyed the Down/Tyrone game on TV, he politely refused but did mention WTF was the commentator on about a black card, he never shut up about it. the joys if sidebottom :-[
Excuse me asking, but would you be Catholic yourself Spirit? and if so do they know this?
Quote from: charlieTully on June 03, 2014, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 03, 2014, 04:59:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuPvHKX9MTA&autoplay=1&app=desktop
http://www.youtube.com/user/63gc?annotation_id=channel%3A51884649-0-254e-8523-47d7b3a88f6&feature=iv&src_vid=TuPvHKX9MTA
this is what you are using as your source screenexile?
Not really... some Loyalist fired it at me when I made a comment on a Willie Frazer post.
I should have known better than to even go near it but sometimes you just can't help yourself!!
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Is there a video of the smug look being wiped of her face?
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur, a man so hungry for power that he cut paisley off at the knees and has continuously shown that he's not fit to lead our community as a whole. What other politician loses their MP status and stays as party header. The quicker Arlene gets in the better, no doubt Nigel has aspirations at the top job (god help us).
This country will struggle to move on until there is some real leadership for the loyalists. They got away with hatred for so long its intwined in their communities. I work with a few "loyalists" and get on perfectly well with them. We've been chatting about the world Cup recently and I was amazed at their attitude regarding south American countries, the 1st thing 2 of the lads said was 'Brazil that's full of catholics', I said 'what do you mean I thought it was full of Brazilians' somewhat winding him, to which he replied 'you know like Spain and Italy'.
One if the lads in work goes out with a Catholic girl from Camlough, I asked him did he get any shit from from his mates, he said 'no just slagging but my da cracked up and my granny wont speak to me'.:-/
I tried to get him to come to the Athletic Grounds this week as he enjoyed the Down/Tyrone game on TV, he politely refused but did mention WTF was the commentator on about a black card, he never shut up about it. the joys if sidebottom :-[
It's pretty unashamed hatred these days too. They've even given up trying to cover it up.
I see with these parades (Robinson missed the debate in parliament to go and discuss the Twaddel parade) the DUP (Dodds and Robinson I think) have been grouped with Hutchinson and some UPRG guy (or whatever you call them) and been talking to the parades commission. It sounds like their parade will "get home".
Again quite unashamed from the DUP. Apparently they can't work with SF as they are terrorists yet Billy Hutchinson who openly talked about how him killing 2 catholics helped stop a united ireland they can deal with. They can forget the past when it suits them but not when it doesn't.
Sure as per any of this no one will pull them on it and they will just do what they like.
Quote from: foxcommander on June 03, 2014, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 03, 2014, 06:04:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2014, 04:54:46 PM
Allister and UKIP got nearly 100,000 votes between them - approx one third of the Unionist Vote.
How many Nationalist votes went to bigoted extremist racist parties?
Whatever about the TUV i don't think you can say that about the UKIP.
You should check a dictionary about what that word actually means before spouting it freely like you normally do.
What are you talking about?
What word?
You seem to call everyone a racist if you don't agree with them. NO I BLOODY WELL DON'T
Are you saying all UKIP voters are racist? That's nearly 25% of the voters in the UK euro elections. IF THEY VOTE FOR XENOPHOBIC "ANTI FOREIGNER" PARTY.......
An awful lot of Germans voted NSDAP ( Nazis) in 1929-1933.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur, a man so hungry for power that he cut paisley off at the knees and has continuously shown that he's not fit to lead our community as a whole. What other politician loses their MP status and stays as party header. The quicker Arlene gets in the better, no doubt Nigel has aspirations at the top job (god help us).
This country will struggle to move on until there is some real leadership for the loyalists. They got away with hatred for so long its intwined in their communities. I work with a few "loyalists" and get on perfectly well with them. We've been chatting about the world Cup recently and I was amazed at their attitude regarding south American countries, the 1st thing 2 of the lads said was 'Brazil that's full of catholics', I said 'what do you mean I thought it was full of Brazilians' somewhat winding him, to which he replied 'you know like Spain and Italy'.
One if the lads in work goes out with a Catholic girl from Camlough, I asked him did he get any shit from from his mates, he said 'no just slagging but my da cracked up and my granny wont speak to me'.:-/
I tried to get him to come to the Athletic Grounds this week as he enjoyed the Down/Tyrone game on TV, he politely refused but did mention WTF was the commentator on about a black card, he never shut up about it. the joys if sidebottom :-[
trust me, I am no fan of loyalism or the DUP, I grew up in a loyalist town and have seen their hatred first hand, I think a public apology was necessary for this situtation to be resolved, he could have continued to dig his heels in but he hasnt.
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur, a man so hungry for power that he cut paisley off at the knees and has continuously shown that he's not fit to lead our community as a whole. What other politician loses their MP status and stays as party header. The quicker Arlene gets in the better, no doubt Nigel has aspirations at the top job (god help us).
This country will struggle to move on until there is some real leadership for the loyalists. They got away with hatred for so long its intwined in their communities. I work with a few "loyalists" and get on perfectly well with them. We've been chatting about the world Cup recently and I was amazed at their attitude regarding south American countries, the 1st thing 2 of the lads said was 'Brazil that's full of catholics', I said 'what do you mean I thought it was full of Brazilians' somewhat winding him, to which he replied 'you know like Spain and Italy'.
One if the lads in work goes out with a Catholic girl from Camlough, I asked him did he get any shit from from his mates, he said 'no just slagging but my da cracked up and my granny wont speak to me'.:-/
I tried to get him to come to the Athletic Grounds this week as he enjoyed the Down/Tyrone game on TV, he politely refused but did mention WTF was the commentator on about a black card, he never shut up about it. the joys if sidebottom :-[
That would be enough to turn anyone to hard core loyalism.
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Happy!!!! how do you work that out,do you really think SF are happy sitting with party who obstruct every attempt to move things foward in this place.What do you think SF should do,bring power sharing down?
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 04, 2014, 10:33:46 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Is there a video of the smug look being wiped of her face?
Not on youtube unfortunately!
Quote from: glens abu on June 04, 2014, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Happy!!!! how do you work that out,do you really think SF are happy sitting with party who obstruct every attempt to move things foward in this place.What do you think SF should do,bring power sharing down?
why not? could it be any worse? sure the whole thing is at constant loggerheads, nothing is ever achieved, except of course the eternal junkets abroad, sorry i almost forgot, Marty got to meet the queen. At least there was that.
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: glens abu on June 04, 2014, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Happy!!!! how do you work that out,do you really think SF are happy sitting with party who obstruct every attempt to move things foward in this place.What do you think SF should do,bring power sharing down?
why not? could it be any worse? sure the whole thing is at constant loggerheads, nothing is ever achieved, except of course the eternal junkets abroad, sorry i almost forgot, Marty got to meet the queen. At least there was that.
Ah right so its the junkets and Marty meeting the Queen that annoys you.Good man, well you will have to leave it to the electorate to decide what they want and as a few weeks ago they voted in large numbers for SF to keep on the course they are on so you will have to live with it. ;)
Quote from: glens abu on June 04, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: glens abu on June 04, 2014, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Happy!!!! how do you work that out,do you really think SF are happy sitting with party who obstruct every attempt to move things foward in this place.What do you think SF should do,bring power sharing down?
why not? could it be any worse? sure the whole thing is at constant loggerheads, nothing is ever achieved, except of course the eternal junkets abroad, sorry i almost forgot, Marty got to meet the queen. At least there was that.
Ah right so its the junkets and Marty meeting the Queen that annoys you.Good man, well you will have to leave it to the electorate to decide what they want and as a few weeks ago they voted in large numbers for SF to keep on the course they are on so you will have to live with it. ;)
by your own admission SF shares power with a party that obstructs every attemt to move things forward, why continue with this if it clearly isnt working?
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
?
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
?
pull it down at the first available opportunity, if SF become the biggest party at the next general election as expected the DUP will pull it down regardless, there is no way they will accept a sf first minister. Joint rule with the Irish and brit governments, with an increased mandate in the south you may be able to exert more influence.
This so called government in the North has acheived absolutely f**k all since the Good Friday Agreement. It should be done away with and direct rule shared by Dublin and London. It couldn't be any worse than this pish. I always hear shinners say they will soon have the majority in the north and their own first minister. Do you's honestly think the DUP and the rest will sit back and allow that? Will they f**k. As soon as it happens, we'll be back to war. Sinn Fein are far too soft with the unionists imo. We're fucked either way tbh. I'm no supporter of the so called dissidents, the majority of them are stupid bastards using republicanism to line their pockets but there are some who are keeping a fight going whether it is through armed actions or through political action. Sinn Fein are going to be the ruin of republicanism
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 04, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
?
pull it down at the first available opportunity, if SF become the biggest party at the next general election as expected the DUP will pull it down regardless, there is no way they will accept a sf first minister. Joint rule with the Irish and brit governments, with an increased mandate in the south you may be able to exert more influence.
Pull the plug on the assembly despite being mandated to share power by a vast majority? And unionists will happily go for being jointly ruled by Dublin as the alternative? FFS even direct rule from London was described by the DUP's Simon Hamilton as being too close to Dublin, or to use his phrase: "Direct Rule is Dublin Rule".
As the late Brian Keenan said, wishlists are for Christmas. Have you any realistic alternatives?
sf have no alternative (and none seems to be offered here) on power sharing with the unionist/loyalists.
at least its 'sharing' and not the two tiered system of not so long ago.
when the pendulum swings and sf/nationalists have the elected majority, then having played the game and remained in gov in the six counties as the junior party, it can be pointed out to unionist/loyalist parties that they must do the same.
some will go mad. some will look to fight, but without the backing of brit army, they are just a group of rioting rabble, incapable of actual fighting. those who were old enough to offer some militant resistance in the 70's/80's will be too old, and the younger generation are either youthful anti social idiots or not capable of 'fight'.
id not be too worried to be honest.
there is no real power in Stormont assembly, and it continues just to keep the peace.
no ground can be covered from GFA until reunification/6 county abdication by brit gov as there needs to be a big population electorate swing.
having the assembly keeps treading water and fudges any chance of a row/fight. this is going to continue until it is decision day.
when that day comes, as I said, it will be so long down the road for former unionist/loyalist militants, that they will be incapable of offering up any real resistance.
also the southern system will be ready to take over the north and money coming from brit gov for the pleasure as well as prob some EU funding. This money will be pumped into the flashpoint areas and thus appeasing any fractious minds.
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Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
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pull it down at the first available opportunity, if SF become the biggest party at the next general election as expected the DUP will pull it down regardless, there is no way they will accept a sf first minister. Joint rule with the Irish and brit governments, with an increased mandate in the south you may be able to exert more influence.
Pull the plug on the assembly despite being mandated to share power by a vast majority? And unionists will happily go for being jointly ruled by Dublin as the alternative? FFS even direct rule from London was described by the DUP's Simon Hamilton as being too close to Dublin, or to use his phrase: "Direct Rule is Dublin Rule".
As the late Brian Keenan said, wishlists are for Christmas. Have you any realistic alternatives?
SF have failed to deliver, irrespective of mandates.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/well-have-a-united-ireland-by-2016-says-mcguinness-25922555.html
How long until we have this majority?
The European elections showed it still about 62%-38% in favour of Unionists so realistically will it not be a long time until the Nationalists/Republicans have our way?!
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
How long until we have this majority?
The European elections showed it still about 62%-38% in favour of Unionists so realistically will it not be a long time until the Nationalists/Republicans have our way?!
sure a few decades ago it was 100% - 0% in favour of the unionist voters !!!!
a large number of this majority are quite/very old.
and just as you cant hurry love- you cant kill off these old dinosaurs either
its a waiting game. also the economic situation has to be right before the next part of that can be done too...
but in time it all will happen.
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Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
?
pull it down at the first available opportunity, if SF become the biggest party at the next general election as expected the DUP will pull it down regardless, there is no way they will accept a sf first minister. Joint rule with the Irish and brit governments, with an increased mandate in the south you may be able to exert more influence.
Pull the plug on the assembly despite being mandated to share power by a vast majority? And unionists will happily go for being jointly ruled by Dublin as the alternative? FFS even direct rule from London was described by the DUP's Simon Hamilton as being too close to Dublin, or to use his phrase: "Direct Rule is Dublin Rule".
As the late Brian Keenan said, wishlists are for Christmas. Have you any realistic alternatives?
SF have failed to deliver, irrespective of mandates.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/well-have-a-united-ireland-by-2016-says-mcguinness-25922555.html
"Irrespective of mandates"? Again, a bit of an over simplified, head-in-the-sand comment Charlie. We just had an election where the parties supportive of power sharing were the parties with the vast majority of support. So don't be ducking the issue. Have you any non-wish list alternatives you can suggest?
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Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
?
pull it down at the first available opportunity, if SF become the biggest party at the next general election as expected the DUP will pull it down regardless, there is no way they will accept a sf first minister. Joint rule with the Irish and brit governments, with an increased mandate in the south you may be able to exert more influence.
Pull the plug on the assembly despite being mandated to share power by a vast majority? And unionists will happily go for being jointly ruled by Dublin as the alternative? FFS even direct rule from London was described by the DUP's Simon Hamilton as being too close to Dublin, or to use his phrase: "Direct Rule is Dublin Rule".
As the late Brian Keenan said, wishlists are for Christmas. Have you any realistic alternatives?
SF have failed to deliver, irrespective of mandates.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/well-have-a-united-ireland-by-2016-says-mcguinness-25922555.html
"Irrespective of mandates"? Again, a bit of an over simplified, head-in-the-sand comment Charlie. We just had an election where the parties supportive of power sharing were the parties with the vast majority of support. So don't be ducking the issue. Have you any non-wish list alternatives you can suggest?
I have already mentioned an alternative, was Martins dream of a UI by 2016 a wish list? if its good enough for Martin. Has Stormont worked? Are you content as Lynchboy says to continue treading water until we are in a majority here?,
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Fair play my ass, how long did it take. The man is a dinosaur
+1. A dangerous individual.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
The quicker Arlene gets in the better
-1. She makes Gregory Campbell seem decent and fair minded. She is a smug, hateful, bigoted, arrogant witch. This backfiring on Arlene was one of the most satisfying moments in recent election history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcBQqyWMqk)
Hard to take your comments seriously Nally with all due respect, SF are happy enough to share the top table with them.
Mandated to do so regardless of who is leader of the other largest party. What's your alternative?
?
pull it down at the first available opportunity, if SF become the biggest party at the next general election as expected the DUP will pull it down regardless, there is no way they will accept a sf first minister. Joint rule with the Irish and brit governments, with an increased mandate in the south you may be able to exert more influence.
Pull the plug on the assembly despite being mandated to share power by a vast majority? And unionists will happily go for being jointly ruled by Dublin as the alternative? FFS even direct rule from London was described by the DUP's Simon Hamilton as being too close to Dublin, or to use his phrase: "Direct Rule is Dublin Rule".
As the late Brian Keenan said, wishlists are for Christmas. Have you any realistic alternatives?
SF have failed to deliver, irrespective of mandates.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/well-have-a-united-ireland-by-2016-says-mcguinness-25922555.html
"Irrespective of mandates"? Again, a bit of an over simplified, head-in-the-sand comment Charlie. We just had an election where the parties supportive of power sharing were the parties with the vast majority of support. So don't be ducking the issue. Have you any non-wish list alternatives you can suggest?
I have already mentioned an alternative, was Martins dream of a UI by 2016 a wish list? if its good enough for Martin. Has Stormont worked? Are you content as Lynchboy says to continue treading water until we are in a majority here?,
What you have done is provide an eleven year old news article. I'm sure Martin McGuinness doesn't believe today that there'll be a reunited Ireland by 2016. Which should tell you something about how useful wish lists are. Your joint sovereignty idea is just straight off a wish list. It's not going to happen, so what else have you got? Other than waiting for a majority and building political strength across the island, I see no other realistic alternative. And you are certainly not providing any (as tends to be the case with a lot of SF's most vocal republican critics).
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
How long until we have this majority?
The European elections showed it still about 62%-38% in favour of Unionists so realistically will it not be a long time until the Nationalists/Republicans have our way?!
The first minister comes from the largest party so that could very well happen in the next election.
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Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
How long until we have this majority?
The European elections showed it still about 62%-38% in favour of Unionists so realistically will it not be a long time until the Nationalists/Republicans have our way?!
The first minister comes from the largest party so that could very well happen in the next election.
And what difference will that make? Unionists still come out on force to vote when they have to. Sure Shinners had been describing McGuinness as "joint First Minister" for a while there. No doubt they will make a massive deal of being FM as reunification is as far away as ever.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 04, 2014, 06:52:57 PM
The first minister comes from the largest party so that could very well happen in the next election.
Will MMG stay on to be the first minister of British rule or will he quietly shuffle off with a tap on the shoulder from his old friend Lilly Windsor. Lord Bogside.
What's good enough for Gerry is good enough for the Pastor.
A Belfast pastor who called Islam "heathen" and "satanic" spent almost two hours at a police station on Friday being questioned about his remarks.
There's an article in the belfast telegraph today about how edwin poots says the dup should appeal to right wing catholic voters. I haven't read it but the gist seemed to be about how they represent religious views etc.
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There's an article in the belfast telegraph today about how edwin poots says the dup should appeal to right wing catholic voters. I haven't read it but the gist seemed to be about how they represent religious views etc.
Judging by a couple of comments on the Tuam thread, they might have a lot in common.
Yes I can think of one in particular.
A man assaulted earlier in Sliabh Dubh are of West Belfast, police treating as "racially motivated hate crime".
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A man assaulted earlier in Sliabh Dubh are of West Belfast, police treating as "racially motivated hate crime".
No whites in Sliabh Dubh?
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There's an article in the belfast telegraph today about how edwin poots says the dup should appeal to right wing catholic voters. I haven't read it but the gist seemed to be about how they represent religious views etc.
That's been a line for some time now.
Is it just me or does in your face racism seem to be a protestant/unionist/loyalist thing or is there much of it in catholic areas in NI?
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Is it just me or does in your face racism seem to be a protestant/unionist/loyalist thing or is there much of it in catholic areas in NI?
Pretty sure there was a racist attack in West Belfast in the last week that was highly publicised.
Exists everywhere naturally, but much more prevalent and dare I say it, institutionalised, in unionist areas/psyches
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Quote from: WT4E on June 13, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
Is it just me or does in your face racism seem to be a protestant/unionist/loyalist thing or is there much of it in catholic areas in NI?
Pretty sure there was a racist attack in West Belfast in the last week that was highly publicised.
Sadly some halfwits in nationalist West Belfast like to ape their loyalist counterparts more than Irish people generally; tattoos, ridiculous flute bands, bonfires complete with flag burning, and now a bit of racism. The difference is that these lunatics operate without any real support from anyone, unlike in Unionist areas where hate is the political philosophy.
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Is it just me or does in your face racism seem to be a protestant/unionist/loyalist thing or is there much of it in catholic areas in NI?
Definitely confined to protestant areas.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27222896
It's not definitely confined...
It is considerably more prevalent and the attitudes of leaders etc has a big bearing on this but the likes of that west belfast incident illustrate there are scumbags on "our" side of the fence too!
Also it would seem loyalist paramilitaries have a bearing in the loyalist areas which thankfully seems to be less of an issue on "our" side now.
And thankfully the residents and local politicians moved quickly to show their support to the family in Sliabh Dubh by holding a rally. Something which has yet to be seen in Loyalist areas, which also highlights the grip they have on their own.
Jeez
Guys there should be no high moral ground on racism.
We as a community should be ashamed and we should not align it along sectarian lines
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Jeez
Guys there should be no high moral ground on racism.
We as a community should be ashamed and we should not align it along sectarian lines
+ 1
We're not a community
Great show of solidarity from Edendork towards the Muslim community.......
http://tyronetribulations.com/2014/06/13/edendork-hall-to-become-muslim-community-centremosque/
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Maybe the black chap was a Catholic. ::)
Peter shows his true face again
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Maybe the black chap was a Catholic. ::)
Peter shows his true face again
Do the local residents have a right to be angry? Do you know the full story on why they have protested?
It said on the report this morning that they were drinking outside his home; and that he initially thought it was a joke because of this. I'm sure there are other ways to get your views across without having to target a foreign national who hasn't even had the chance to move into his new home.
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2014, 07:20:30 PM
Maybe the black chap was a Catholic. ::)
Peter shows his true face again
Do the local residents have a right to be angry? Do you know the full story on why they have protested?
The full story on why they have protested? Racism. No f**king excuses. Racism. This man has lived in Belfast for four years. He is a local. He is a charity worker. His contribution to society in his four years here no doubt would substantially outweigh the combined contribution of all the racists protesting outside what WOULD have been his home. I'm just hearing on the news now that he has now decided he doesn't feel safe enough to take this house and now has no idea where he will live. A crying shame. Sad to see any poster coming on here and trying to echo the coward that is Peter Robinson by suggesting this protest wasn't motivated by racism. At least Robinson has an excuse; he has to keep the knuckle dragging racists and fleggers on side and away from Jim Allister's clutches. What's your excuse fox? Interesting too that the UUP election leaflet in the area carried the same slogan that these racists plastered over this man's would-be home: "Local houses for local people". Today demonstrates once again that the two main unionist parties are just whole hearted participants in a race to the bottom in their attempts to woo the bigot vote. Some "leadership". And so much for Robinson's (belated) politicians apology over his comments about the Muslim community.
Sectarianism is just another form of racism so no surprise.
Robinson is either a) completely stupid or b) completely unashamed. You decide...
You thought he couldn't stoop any lower and here he goes.
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 18, 2014, 10:43:45 PM
The full story on why they have protested? Racism. No f**king excuses. Racism. This man has lived in Belfast for four years. He is a local. He is a charity worker. His contribution to society in his four years here no doubt would substantially outweigh the combined contribution of all the racists protesting outside what WOULD have been his home. I'm just hearing on the news now that he has now decided he doesn't feel safe enough to take this house and now has no idea where he will live. A crying shame. Sad to see any poster coming on here and trying to echo the coward that is Peter Robinson by suggesting this protest wasn't motivated by racism. At least Robinson has an excuse; he has to keep the knuckle dragging racists and fleggers on side and away from Jim Allister's clutches. What's your excuse fox? Interesting too that the UUP election leaflet in the area carried the same slogan that these racists plastered over this man's would-be home: "Local houses for local people". Today demonstrates once again that the two main unionist parties are just whole hearted participants in a race to the bottom in their attempts to woo the bigot vote. Some "leadership". And so much for Robinson's (belated) politicians apology over his comments about the Muslim community.
Hold on a second Nally - I just asked if they had any merit to their protest, I wasn't endorsing it.
I just watched some video footage on the BBC website. If this guy has a job then why is he getting a free house? Can someone explain?
I don't think you could be surprised that people get pissed off when they see someone jumping a queue.
The manner in which they went about it is totally wrong though.
It wouldn't be a free house, he would have to pay rent
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Quote from: Nally Stand on June 18, 2014, 10:43:45 PM
The full story on why they have protested? Racism. No f**king excuses. Racism. This man has lived in Belfast for four years. He is a local. He is a charity worker. His contribution to society in his four years here no doubt would substantially outweigh the combined contribution of all the racists protesting outside what WOULD have been his home. I'm just hearing on the news now that he has now decided he doesn't feel safe enough to take this house and now has no idea where he will live. A crying shame. Sad to see any poster coming on here and trying to echo the coward that is Peter Robinson by suggesting this protest wasn't motivated by racism. At least Robinson has an excuse; he has to keep the knuckle dragging racists and fleggers on side and away from Jim Allister's clutches. What's your excuse fox? Interesting too that the UUP election leaflet in the area carried the same slogan that these racists plastered over this man's would-be home: "Local houses for local people". Today demonstrates once again that the two main unionist parties are just whole hearted participants in a race to the bottom in their attempts to woo the bigot vote. Some "leadership". And so much for Robinson's (belated) politicians apology over his comments about the Muslim community.
Hold on a second Nally - I just asked if they had any merit to their protest, I wasn't endorsing it.
I just watched some video footage on the BBC website. If this guy has a job then why is he getting a free house? Can someone explain?
I don't think you could be surprised that people get pissed off when they see someone jumping a queue.
The manner in which they went about it is totally wrong though.
Who's jumping a queue?
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 18, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
It wouldn't be a free house, he would have to pay rent
I have no idea what the story is with the NI housing or how it works. If that's the case then their beef must be that he jumped the queue (or so they think). It's really down to the housing committee to explain their decision to the "protesters".
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Quote from: foxcommander on June 18, 2014, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 18, 2014, 10:43:45 PM
The full story on why they have protested? Racism. No f**king excuses. Racism. This man has lived in Belfast for four years. He is a local. He is a charity worker. His contribution to society in his four years here no doubt would substantially outweigh the combined contribution of all the racists protesting outside what WOULD have been his home. I'm just hearing on the news now that he has now decided he doesn't feel safe enough to take this house and now has no idea where he will live. A crying shame. Sad to see any poster coming on here and trying to echo the coward that is Peter Robinson by suggesting this protest wasn't motivated by racism. At least Robinson has an excuse; he has to keep the knuckle dragging racists and fleggers on side and away from Jim Allister's clutches. What's your excuse fox? Interesting too that the UUP election leaflet in the area carried the same slogan that these racists plastered over this man's would-be home: "Local houses for local people". Today demonstrates once again that the two main unionist parties are just whole hearted participants in a race to the bottom in their attempts to woo the bigot vote. Some "leadership". And so much for Robinson's (belated) politicians apology over his comments about the Muslim community.
Hold on a second Nally - I just asked if they had any merit to their protest, I wasn't endorsing it.
I just watched some video footage on the BBC website. If this guy has a job then why is he getting a free house? Can someone explain?
I don't think you could be surprised that people get pissed off when they see someone jumping a queue.
The manner in which they went about it is totally wrong though.
Who's jumping a queue?
There was a waiting list mentioned on the BBC news, whether that's true or not.
Quote from: foxcommander on June 19, 2014, 12:09:11 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 19, 2014, 12:05:26 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 18, 2014, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 18, 2014, 10:43:45 PM
The full story on why they have protested? Racism. No f**king excuses. Racism. This man has lived in Belfast for four years. He is a local. He is a charity worker. His contribution to society in his four years here no doubt would substantially outweigh the combined contribution of all the racists protesting outside what WOULD have been his home. I'm just hearing on the news now that he has now decided he doesn't feel safe enough to take this house and now has no idea where he will live. A crying shame. Sad to see any poster coming on here and trying to echo the coward that is Peter Robinson by suggesting this protest wasn't motivated by racism. At least Robinson has an excuse; he has to keep the knuckle dragging racists and fleggers on side and away from Jim Allister's clutches. What's your excuse fox? Interesting too that the UUP election leaflet in the area carried the same slogan that these racists plastered over this man's would-be home: "Local houses for local people". Today demonstrates once again that the two main unionist parties are just whole hearted participants in a race to the bottom in their attempts to woo the bigot vote. Some "leadership". And so much for Robinson's (belated) politicians apology over his comments about the Muslim community.
Hold on a second Nally - I just asked if they had any merit to their protest, I wasn't endorsing it.
I just watched some video footage on the BBC website. If this guy has a job then why is he getting a free house? Can someone explain?
I don't think you could be surprised that people get pissed off when they see someone jumping a queue.
The manner in which they went about it is totally wrong though.
Who's jumping a queue?
There was a waiting list mentioned on the BBC news, whether that's true or not.
It's not a first come, first served allocation fox. You are awarded points for certain criteria and get a placed in a queue according to that. You're position can changed according to others who come onto the list.
I don't know the ins and outs of this particular case and why Michael Abiona was awarded certain points. I would safely guess that neither did the people protesting outside the house he was allocated in East Belfast.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 19, 2014, 04:04:15 AM
You are given an opportunity to view the property or accommodation in question and you either have to accept or decline the offer within a few days of it being made. If you decline, you can be given up to another two offers in due course which you could accept (bear in mind these offers may not be as desirable as any previous offer you've turned down). If you decline three offers in a row without a very good reason, your points get wiped and you go down to the bottom of the list for the areas you have applied for.
F me! Look what you could have won....
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That process sounds bloody complicated.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 19, 2014, 12:21:09 AM
It's not a first come, first served allocation fox. You are awarded points for certain criteria and get a placed in a queue according to that. You're position can changed according to others who come onto the list.
I don't know the ins and outs of this particular case and why Michael Abiona was awarded certain points. I would safely guess that neither did the people protesting outside the house he was allocated in East Belfast.
Fionntamhnacht did a good job explaining the process. I'm sure Mr Abiona might want to pass on this particular offer if he's got 2 more shots at it.
Again this situation does highlight the need for debate on integration and immigration both north and south of the border.
Quote from: foxcommander on June 19, 2014, 04:29:52 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 19, 2014, 12:21:09 AM
It's not a first come, first served allocation fox. You are awarded points for certain criteria and get a placed in a queue according to that. You're position can changed according to others who come onto the list.
I don't know the ins and outs of this particular case and why Michael Abiona was awarded certain points. I would safely guess that neither did the people protesting outside the house he was allocated in East Belfast.
Fionntamhnacht did a good job explaining the process. I'm sure Mr Abiona might want to pass on this particular offer if he's got 2 more shots at it.
Again this situation does highlight the need for debate on integration and immigration both north and south of the border.
No no you can't discuss immigration otherwise you will be labelled as a BNP supporter. Best just to pretend it isn't happening.
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366005.ece/a67fe/ALTERNATES/w300square/abiona.jpg)
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
There's a lot of 'non-racist' attacks in Loyalist areas in recent years against the Romanian, Chinese, Muslim and African communities. I'm sure the 'free' houses have annoyed the local wasps.
Whatever about East Belfast, in North Belfast in loyalist areas there is a measure of depopulation and so vacant houses, so there is likely to be some inward movement. In such places "locals" are not especially short. But there are considerable efforts to prevent "others" coming in.
It's been going for years with catholics in a lot of those areas. Now they've just changed their target and it's a hot potato so they're getting more publicity. What went on for years would also get significantly more coverage due to social media now too.
Now Robinson and co are being exposed for what they are. They don't care mind as they'll still get voted in.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 11:51:11 AM
It's been going for years with catholics in a lot of those areas. Now they've just changed their target and it's a hot potato so they're getting more publicity. What went on for years would also get significantly more coverage due to social media now too.
Now Robinson and co are being exposed for what they are. They don't care mind as they'll still get voted in.
Correct, and this was driven by sectarianism.
When sectarianism involves a different race as well, why are people surprised the word racist comes up?
A goodly proportion of Africans are Protestants, will this save them?
He'll have no bother getting another house as he will be top of the queue again now as a victim of racism. He would have had to put down his preferred area for a house so this area must have been within an area he chose.
Nobody can applaud the actions of those sitting outside the house "protesting". The issue is with the system. These "non-locals" are seen by the protesters as exploiting the system. They are not exploiting a system - the system is the system. One of the questions on the forms is if you have any friends or family that you can live with. Obviously a foreigner coming into the country will not, however a local person that is living at home under their parents roof will have. Therefore the foreigner automatically gets more points for that question.
A lot of people say about Irish people that have moved away and do not get treated like this but they are not being granted houses through a social society system.
I am not racist in anyway but I can see why people get frustrated. Someone at 30 years of age living in their parents house will never get a social house, where as someone moved to the country with kids and wife will get house.
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 19, 2014, 07:27:47 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 19, 2014, 04:29:52 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 19, 2014, 12:21:09 AM
It's not a first come, first served allocation fox. You are awarded points for certain criteria and get a placed in a queue according to that. You're position can changed according to others who come onto the list.
I don't know the ins and outs of this particular case and why Michael Abiona was awarded certain points. I would safely guess that neither did the people protesting outside the house he was allocated in East Belfast.
Fionntamhnacht did a good job explaining the process. I'm sure Mr Abiona might want to pass on this particular offer if he's got 2 more shots at it.
Again this situation does highlight the need for debate on integration and immigration both north and south of the border.
No no you can't discuss immigration otherwise you will be labelled as a BNP supporter. Best just to pretend it isn't happening.
Immigration didn't cause this problem, the bigotry of the locals involved did.
How to change those attitudes and integrate non-locals with the locals might be a better discussion to start with.
Quote from: Muzz on June 19, 2014, 12:07:27 PM
He'll have no bother getting another house as he will be top of the queue again now as a victim of racism. He would have had to put down his preferred area for a house so this area must have been within an area he chose.
Nobody can applaud the actions of those sitting outside the house "protesting". The issue is with the system. These "non-locals" are seen by the protesters as exploiting the system. They are not exploiting a system - the system is the system. One of the questions on the forms is if you have any friends or family that you can live with. Obviously a foreigner coming into the country will not, however a local person that is living at home under their parents roof will have. Therefore the foreigner automatically gets more points for that question.
A lot of people say about Irish people that have moved away and do not get treated like this but they are not being granted houses through a social society system.
I am not racist in anyway but I can see why people get frustrated. Someone at 30 years of age living in their parents house will never get a social house, where as someone moved to the country with kids and wife will get house.
You're assuming that they're protesting purely because they feel this guy played the system though. Is that the case though?
What have people to be doing that they're sitting outside a house all day?
Are these people homeless as well? If not then surely the system is fulfilling their needs too?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 11:51:11 AM
It's been going for years with catholics in a lot of those areas. Now they've just changed their target and it's a hot potato so they're getting more publicity. What went on for years would also get significantly more coverage due to social media now too.
Now Robinson and co are being exposed for what they are. They don't care mind as they'll still get voted in.
This is where democracy fails.
The alternative to a democratic society is not a good one but how many times can this guy come out with this kind of bile. Surely Cameron or someone are bound to care at least to some degree?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 19, 2014, 12:07:27 PM
He'll have no bother getting another house as he will be top of the queue again now as a victim of racism. He would have had to put down his preferred area for a house so this area must have been within an area he chose.
Nobody can applaud the actions of those sitting outside the house "protesting". The issue is with the system. These "non-locals" are seen by the protesters as exploiting the system. They are not exploiting a system - the system is the system. One of the questions on the forms is if you have any friends or family that you can live with. Obviously a foreigner coming into the country will not, however a local person that is living at home under their parents roof will have. Therefore the foreigner automatically gets more points for that question.
A lot of people say about Irish people that have moved away and do not get treated like this but they are not being granted houses through a social society system.
I am not racist in anyway but I can see why people get frustrated. Someone at 30 years of age living in their parents house will never get a social house, where as someone moved to the country with kids and wife will get house.
You're assuming that they're protesting purely because they feel this guy played the system though. Is that the case though?
What have people to be doing that they're sitting outside a house all day?
Are these people homeless as well? If not then surely the system is fulfilling their needs too?
I cant say why they are protesting and as I said no one can condone the actions of these people. Certainly I can understand why they are annoyed about the system if that is the reason they are protesting. If it is racism then of course it is wrong.
However listening to their interviews they are saying that houses in the area were built originally for pensioners and disabled people and the housing executive has started assigning these homes to families (they didnt say of which ethicity). They felt that the houses should be going to people that really needed them i.e. local pensioners currently living in a 2 up 2 down house or those in existing homes that were not fully suitable for their disabled family.
You have to remember that those people sitting outside having a drink believe it is their god given right to lap up the sun and provide zero to society. They dont work and they dont have to pay for their homes. That is their belief so when other people are "jumping the queue" for their god given right of a free home this is when these things happen.
They are not homeless - they already have a home, but their son or daughter does not have a home and is on the list the same as most other families waiting for a home to become available. Main issue being is they wont get a home because other people are seen as more needy on their applications.
Quote from: Muzz on June 19, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: Muzz on June 19, 2014, 12:07:27 PM
He'll have no bother getting another house as he will be top of the queue again now as a victim of racism. He would have had to put down his preferred area for a house so this area must have been within an area he chose.
Nobody can applaud the actions of those sitting outside the house "protesting". The issue is with the system. These "non-locals" are seen by the protesters as exploiting the system. They are not exploiting a system - the system is the system. One of the questions on the forms is if you have any friends or family that you can live with. Obviously a foreigner coming into the country will not, however a local person that is living at home under their parents roof will have. Therefore the foreigner automatically gets more points for that question.
A lot of people say about Irish people that have moved away and do not get treated like this but they are not being granted houses through a social society system.
I am not racist in anyway but I can see why people get frustrated. Someone at 30 years of age living in their parents house will never get a social house, where as someone moved to the country with kids and wife will get house.
You're assuming that they're protesting purely because they feel this guy played the system though. Is that the case though?
What have people to be doing that they're sitting outside a house all day?
Are these people homeless as well? If not then surely the system is fulfilling their needs too?
I cant say why they are protesting and as I said no one can condone the actions of these people. Certainly I can understand why they are annoyed about the system if that is the reason they are protesting. If it is racism then of course it is wrong.
However listening to their interviews they are saying that houses in the area were built originally for pensioners and disabled people and the housing executive has started assigning these homes to families (they didnt say of which ethicity). They felt that the houses should be going to people that really needed them i.e. local pensioners currently living in a 2 up 2 down house or those in existing homes that were not fully suitable for their disabled family.
You have to remember that those people sitting outside having a drink believe it is their god given right to lap up the sun and provide zero to society. They dont work and they dont have to pay for their homes. That is their belief so when other people are "jumping the queue" for their god given right of a free home this is when these things happen.
They are not homeless - they already have a home, but their son or daughter does not have a home and is on the list the same as most other families waiting for a home to become available. Main issue being is they wont get a home because other people are seen as more needy on their applications.
I find this particularly galling.
Local useless unproductive louts complaining about a foreign equivalent (as they see it) is not defensible imho.
Your first minister spotted on his morning walk around Stormont.
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Quote from: Muzz on June 19, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
I cant say why they are protesting
Racism. Sin é.
If they are protesting about someone getting a benefit through working the system then why are they also not 'protesting' the houses of the taxi-men doing the double or the person falsely claiming DLA for 'depression' or someone else claiming carers allowance for the same 'depressed' person? They are bigots full stop. Whether it is sectarian, racist, sexist or whatever they are ingrained bigots, as are their political 'leaders' and unfortunately they play this bully boy approach, and are allowed to, and will continue to. No-one here knows the guy who is getting the house and what his entitlement to that house is. No-one out there does bar him and the people who made the decision. It is a joke but another worrying example of the intolerance that is prevalent in what we call Northern Irish society.
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Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366005.ece/a67fe/ALTERNATES/w300square/abiona.jpg)
My point was that if he had been a Catholic of the same race or a Pole or Romanian he would have got the same reception. It is not specifically racism or sectarianism or Xenophobia. It is just plain intolerance of anyone who is not them.
His colour only meant he was identified quicker and he got a pre-warning rather than a brick through the window after he moved in.
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
His colour only meant he was identified quicker and he got a pre-warning rather than a brick through the window after he moved in.
You mean he got the express intolerance package?
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366005.ece/a67fe/ALTERNATES/w300square/abiona.jpg)
My point was that if he had been a Catholic of the same race or a Pole or Romanian he would have got the same reception. It is not specifically racism or sectarianism or Xenophobia. It is just plain intolerance of anyone who is not them.
His colour only meant he was identified quicker and he got a pre-warning rather than a brick through the window after he moved in.
That's the situation in a nutshell
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366005.ece/a67fe/ALTERNATES/w300square/abiona.jpg)
My point was that if he had been a Catholic of the same race or a Pole or Romanian he would have got the same reception. It is not specifically racism or sectarianism or Xenophobia. It is just plain intolerance of anyone who is not them.
His colour only meant he was identified quicker and he got a pre-warning rather than a brick through the window after he moved in.
This may not have been your intention but it reads as watering down the significance of the event because they are intolerant of anyone. I think the other politicians should be condemning this from the rooftops. The world knows of the conflict in the North at some level. But it doesn't know of the broad xenophobia,intolerance and racism inherent in some of the mobs embedded in one of the traditions.
We shouldn't be helping them by playing down the significance of this.
Is it racism when you just hate everyone ? :o
Quote from: haveaharp on June 19, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
Is it racism when you just hate everyone ? :o
If you hate all Catholics, simply because they are Catholic, you are a sectarian bigot.
If you hate foreigners, purely because they are not from where you are from, you are a xenophobe.
If you hate a foreigner of a different race, you are a xenophobe and also a racist.
If you hate everyone different to yourself, you are all of the above. And probably more.
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on June 19, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
Is it racism when you just hate everyone ? :o
If you hate all Catholics, simply because they are Catholic, you are a sectarian bigot.
Its more than that though, how many are actually bothered about their interpretation of scripture ?
Robinson is a slimy get. Putting a few thousand votes in front of any sense of moral right and wrong. But then he's a politician.
Quote from: Muzz on June 19, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
I am not racist in anyway but I can see why people get frustrated. Someone at 30 years of age living in their parents house will never get a social house, where as someone moved to the country with kids and wife will get house.
The fact that someone is easily identified as not being from the area makes it a bigger issue but the underlying sentiment is still the same. There is resentment of being passed over and something that you feel entitled to (rightly or wrongly) is given to another who hasn't paid their dues. If this guy has been in NI for 4 years and now gets a house (whatever level of funding is being given) without having to really work for it then isn't there something wrong with that?
As someone who has worked all their life and not been working the social security system I can't help but feel resentment for those who decide it's easier to leech off my hard earned wages to pay for their upkeep.
It's down to me to work harder, spend less time with my family, commute more, have less relaxation time and get paid less in the bargain. And this situation is only getting worse . How much more time and effort do i need to spend in order to furnish other peoples lifestyles. I'm not saying the protesters have all these concerns (drinking cans of special brew during the day has never been an option for me) but there has to be some sort of fair play along the way.
I wish I had done nothing with my life and got it all handed to me instead. working is for suckers.
If you have a problem with housing executive then picket the housing executive. Blatant rascism, don't accept this for anything else.
Quote from: hardstation on June 19, 2014, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 19, 2014, 09:59:21 PM
If you have a problem with housing executive then picket the housing executive. Blatant rascism, don't accept this for anything else.
+1
+1
Can SF/SDLP use the "Petition of.." mechanism to stop the McCausland bigot from re introducing the Houses for Prods only system that led to the very first civil rights march?
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366005.ece/a67fe/ALTERNATES/w300square/abiona.jpg)
My point was that if he had been a Catholic of the same race or a Pole or Romanian he would have got the same reception. It is not specifically racism or sectarianism or Xenophobia. It is just plain intolerance of anyone who is not them.
His colour only meant he was identified quicker and he got a pre-warning rather than a brick through the window after he moved in.
This may not have been your intention but it reads as watering down the significance of the event because they are intolerant of anyone. I think the other politicians should be condemning this from the rooftops. The world knows of the conflict in the North at some level. But it doesn't know of the broad xenophobia,intolerance and racism inherent in some of the mobs embedded in one of the traditions.
We shouldn't be helping them by playing down the significance of this.
Thats your reading of it. Racism may be visually easier to identify but I don't consider Xenophobia or sectarianism as any less significant.
Quote from: LeoMc on June 20, 2014, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366005.ece/a67fe/ALTERNATES/w300square/abiona.jpg)
My point was that if he had been a Catholic of the same race or a Pole or Romanian he would have got the same reception. It is not specifically racism or sectarianism or Xenophobia. It is just plain intolerance of anyone who is not them.
His colour only meant he was identified quicker and he got a pre-warning rather than a brick through the window after he moved in.
This may not have been your intention but it reads as watering down the significance of the event because they are intolerant of anyone. I think the other politicians should be condemning this from the rooftops. The world knows of the conflict in the North at some level. But it doesn't know of the broad xenophobia,intolerance and racism inherent in some of the mobs embedded in one of the traditions.
We shouldn't be helping them by playing down the significance of this.
Thats your reading of it. Racism may be visually easier to identify but I don't consider Xenophobia or sectarianism as any less significant.
Can you let go of the whataboutery for once?
Quote from: muppet on June 20, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 20, 2014, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 19, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
People are very quick to label people who question any situation regarding anyone foreign a racist these days...
I would however say these people know nothing about his points, where anyone is in any queue etc etc. Why have they got any moral high ground would be another question?
But what is it then when someone is victimised by a local mob specifically because they are not local or of the same race as the locals?
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366005.ece/a67fe/ALTERNATES/w300square/abiona.jpg)
My point was that if he had been a Catholic of the same race or a Pole or Romanian he would have got the same reception. It is not specifically racism or sectarianism or Xenophobia. It is just plain intolerance of anyone who is not them.
His colour only meant he was identified quicker and he got a pre-warning rather than a brick through the window after he moved in.
This may not have been your intention but it reads as watering down the significance of the event because they are intolerant of anyone. I think the other politicians should be condemning this from the rooftops. The world knows of the conflict in the North at some level. But it doesn't know of the broad xenophobia,intolerance and racism inherent in some of the mobs embedded in one of the traditions.
We shouldn't be helping them by playing down the significance of this.
Thats your reading of it. Racism may be visually easier to identify but I don't consider Xenophobia or sectarianism as any less significant.
Can you let go of the whataboutery for once?
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Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 18, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
It wouldn't be a free house, he would have to pay rent
He is on "disability benefits" so wouldn't be paying any rent.
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 21, 2014, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 18, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
It wouldn't be a free house, he would have to pay rent
He is on "disability benefits" so wouldn't be paying any rent.
Well that's not true either.