ukraine regime change

Started by lawnseed, February 23, 2014, 12:15:00 PM

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seafoid

Putin is banking on splitting the EU.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Hereiam

So when will Russia invade?

tyrone08

Always found the whole West vs Russia thing strange. America put nuclear missiles in Turkey pointed at Russia. Russia responds by putting nukes in Cuba and the whole world reacts and almost starts ww3. They literally just did what the Americans did.

Also Russia does war games in international waters off Ireland and the whole world reacts. USA does war games throughout the world including near China and Russia and not a peep.

JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: tyrone08 on January 25, 2022, 02:10:31 PM
Always found the whole West vs Russia thing strange. America put nuclear missiles in Turkey pointed at Russia. Russia responds by putting nukes in Cuba and the whole world reacts and almost starts ww3. They literally just did what the Americans did.

Also Russia does war games in international waters off Ireland and the whole world reacts. USA does war games throughout the world including near China and Russia and not a peep.

Except you forgot to mention that Ukraine want US help and they don't want Russia coming into their country just like most other Eastern bloc countries that were under the Soviet jackboot for 50 yrs. Funny that.

armaghniac

Why are the Russians so humpy anyway? It is just a post imperial thing like Britain? They used to have a distinct political philosophy to export, but now they are just a medium sized bully when they should be getting together to oppose China.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

tyrone08

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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on January 25, 2022, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 25, 2022, 02:10:31 PM
Always found the whole West vs Russia thing strange. America put nuclear missiles in Turkey pointed at Russia. Russia responds by putting nukes in Cuba and the whole world reacts and almost starts ww3. They literally just did what the Americans did.

Also Russia does war games in international waters off Ireland and the whole world reacts. USA does war games throughout the world including near China and Russia and not a peep.

Except you forgot to mention that Ukraine want US help and they don't want Russia coming into their country just like most other Eastern bloc countries that were under the Soviet jackboot for 50 yrs. Funny that.

I didn't forget about it at all. I didn't mention it because between Britain and USA they have invaded or started more wars than any other country in the world.

Also i didn't have anything to do with the 2 points I raised. Don't tell me you believe the West are the saviours of the world helping out small countries due to the goodness of their hearts.

Main Street

Quote from: general_lee on January 22, 2022, 10:56:47 AM
How many American missiles are pointing at Russia along its borders? Conversely how many Russian missiles are pointing at America along its borders? If the Americans hadn't overthrown the elected government & replaced it(with a neo-Nazi regime no less) under Obama, would this situation really be happening? I suppose the west needs to occupy itself somehow not that Afghanistan is finito
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How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.

JPGJOHNNYG

Struggling to see the plus side in this for Russia. Maybe grab those eastern areas with majority Russian people, then what? Talk of taking Kiev is surely nonsense. Ukraine has 40 million people and is armed to the teeth. If a few hundred lads here with limited resources caused mayhem for Britain for 30 yrs then what the hell would happen over there?

sid waddell

The bottom line is Russia is 100% to blame for this crisis. It's time the west stood up to them properly.

general_lee

Quote from: Main Street on January 25, 2022, 05:42:59 PM
How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.
Hmm more like Reuters... the Azov battalions have been absorbed into the Ukrainian military. They don't need nor want political support, not when they're on the same hymn sheet as the government - bit like the (then legal) UDA here in the north back in the 1980s.

sid waddell

Quote from: general_lee on January 26, 2022, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 25, 2022, 05:42:59 PM
How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.
Hmm more like Reuters... the Azov battalions have been absorbed into the Ukrainian military. They don't need nor want political support, not when they're on the same hymn sheet as the government - bit like the (then legal) UDA here in the north back in the 1980s.
The entire ideology guiding Russia and Putin is Nazi-like. They want empire.

Ukraine has a Jewish President and until recently a Jewish Prime Minister too.

Russia has no business interfering in Ukraine.

To say it has is to say that the Brits should malevolently interfere in the business of the Irish state.

general_lee

Quote from: sid waddell on January 26, 2022, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on January 26, 2022, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 25, 2022, 05:42:59 PM
How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.
Hmm more like Reuters... the Azov battalions have been absorbed into the Ukrainian military. They don't need nor want political support, not when they're on the same hymn sheet as the government - bit like the (then legal) UDA here in the north back in the 1980s.
The entire ideology guiding Russia and Putin is Nazi-like. They want empire.

Ukraine has a Jewish President and until recently a Jewish Prime Minister too.

Russia has no business interfering in Ukraine.

To say it has is to say that the Brits should malevolently interfere in the business of the Irish state.
Russia has as much business interfering in Ukraine as the west has interfering in any other country.

sid waddell

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Quote from: general_lee on January 26, 2022, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on January 26, 2022, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on January 26, 2022, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 25, 2022, 05:42:59 PM
How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.
Hmm more like Reuters... the Azov battalions have been absorbed into the Ukrainian military. They don't need nor want political support, not when they're on the same hymn sheet as the government - bit like the (then legal) UDA here in the north back in the 1980s.
The entire ideology guiding Russia and Putin is Nazi-like. They want empire.

Ukraine has a Jewish President and until recently a Jewish Prime Minister too.

Russia has no business interfering in Ukraine.

To say it has is to say that the Brits should malevolently interfere in the business of the Irish state.
Russia has as much business interfering in Ukraine as the west has interfering in any other country.
You're deflecting with irrelevant red herrings.

Ukraine has democratically chosen to align itself with the west.

Russia denies it should it should have that right. Putin openly denies the right to Ukrainian statehood.

Russia is entirely in the wrong.

It is a warmongering, imperialist, criminal state.

The west has a duty to uphold Ukrainian independence (it is already partly occupied by the Russian mafia state) and Ukrainina  interests. If it does not do so it will have failed in its moral duty.

The simple fact is anybody who is not in support of Ukraine's independence and its democracy and its right to align itself the way it wants - with the west - is de facto pro-war, pro-imperialism, pro-dictatorship, anti-the rights of smaller nations and anti-democracy.




general_lee

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

sid waddell

Quote from: general_lee on January 26, 2022, 05:51:23 PM
So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?
Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.