ukraine regime change

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Didn't the Americans help topple the pro-Russian government in Ukraine only with the last decade? No mention of that from most people.

The pro-Russian president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, turned his guns on peaceful protestors on the Maidan in 2014, slaughtered dozens, and then fled to Russia.

Yanukovych was a puppet of Putin and a murderous traitor.

This is the sort of guy youse Russia lovers uphold as their idea of "democracy" (ie. not democracy at all).

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Indeed they have no right. No right at all.

Here's the thing, when you hear somebody waffling about NATO it's a dead giveaway that they're all they're here to do is to spout bullshit Russian whataboutery and propaganda.

NATO exists for a reason.

Russia is proving the reason for NATO's existence is a very good one indeed.

A non-NATO member on Russia's doorstep is already occupied and threatened with a coup and the installation of a Russian puppet regime and/or full occupation. For having the temerity to not be a vassal state.

Next door in Belarus, the people voted out their authoritarian leader in 2020, and his response was to reject the democratic wishes of the people, go full tyrant and invite the Russians in.

Russia interfered in Georgia and Moldova in order to hobble them on the international stage. Now it's done the same in Kazakhstan.

The lesson is - have the temerity to be a democracy or look like you might become a democracy, and Russia will crush you with its jackboots.

Russia is paranoid. So are Israel and Poland.
World War 2 never ended.

Much like their allies the Serbs, Putin and the Russian regime are driven by a perpetual state of victimhood and self-pity. Russia is a fundamentally unserious country. In their own minds they could never have done any wrong. Putin is a criminal tyrant who has raped the Russian people and Russian society of its resources. As regards foreign policy his ideology is that of a petulant four year old. He genuinely believes that Russia has a God given right to control other countries as it likes.

It is absolutely hilarious to see self styled anti-imperialists weigh in to defend the arch-imperialists.

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Didn't the Americans help topple the pro-Russian government in Ukraine only with the last decade? No mention of that from most people.

Also no mention of the massive coordinated training exercises by NATO in a non-member state right next door to Russia. Of course mentioning facts like this makes you a Russian propagandist 😂

More waffling about NATO. Yawn. NATO is an international treaty organisation which exists precisely of the threat which we are seeing in real time from Russia. Russia itself has proven beyond doubt the necessity for NATO. Like, duh.

And the case for Ireland joining NATO grows by the day, especially given what the Russians have planned for off our coast.

Russia propagandists hate NATO because they quite rightly took action against Russia's allies the Serbs, who were in the process of genociding Kosovar Albanians.

That that genocide couldn't continue really sticks in the craw of the Russia propagandists.

[trueblue1234]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

To be fair your second post on this referenced Britain and Ireland. Bit hypocritical tbh.

[johnnycool]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

It's hard for "the west" to take the moral high ground with Russia and what they're doing to Ukraine when they all sit and do nothing with the US and their ongoing actions in Cuba.

[general_lee]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Didn't the Americans help topple the pro-Russian government in Ukraine only with the last decade? No mention of that from most people.

Also no mention of the massive coordinated training exercises by NATO in a non-member state right next door to Russia. Of course mentioning facts like this makes you a Russian propagandist 😂

More waffling about NATO. Yawn. NATO is an international treaty organisation which exists precisely of the threat which we are seeing in real time from Russia. Russia itself has proven beyond doubt the necessity for NATO. Like, duh.

And the case for Ireland joining NATO grows by the day, especially given what the Russians have planned for off our coast.

Russia propagandists hate NATO because they quite rightly took action against Russia's allies the Serbs, who were in the process of genociding Kosovar Albanians.

That that genocide couldn't continue really sticks in the craw of the Russia propagandists.

More waffling? It's context you clampet. I know what NATO is, they were literally carrying out military exercises to simulate the event of a war with Russia on Russia's doorstep ffs. You can't dismiss me pointing out all this posturing as "waffle". I'm not a propagandist, as if I really give two fucks what you or anyone on this board believe about Russia! And with that I bid you a goodbye, enjoy penning your reply but I won't be reading or responding to it. Past experience has taught me you are a complete mentalist with too much time on your hands 

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

I'm not deflecting. Russia has no right to do any of those things, same way the west doesn't (but it doesn't stop them)
What Russia is and has been doing is no different to what NATO has done.

Didn't the Americans help topple the pro-Russian government in Ukraine only with the last decade? No mention of that from most people.

Also no mention of the massive coordinated training exercises by NATO in a non-member state right next door to Russia. Of course mentioning facts like this makes you a Russian propagandist 😂

More waffling about NATO. Yawn. NATO is an international treaty organisation which exists precisely of the threat which we are seeing in real time from Russia. Russia itself has proven beyond doubt the necessity for NATO. Like, duh.

And the case for Ireland joining NATO grows by the day, especially given what the Russians have planned for off our coast.

Russia propagandists hate NATO because they quite rightly took action against Russia's allies the Serbs, who were in the process of genociding Kosovar Albanians.

That that genocide couldn't continue really sticks in the craw of the Russia propagandists.

More waffling? It's context you clampet. I know what NATO is, they were literally carrying out military exercises to simulate the event of a war with Russia on Russia's doorstep ffs. You can't dismiss me pointing out all this posturing as "waffle". I'm not a propagandist, as if I really give two fucks what you or anyone on this board believe about Russia! And with that I bid you a goodbye, enjoy penning your reply but I won't be reading or responding to it. Past experience has taught me you are a complete mentalist with too much time on your hands 

More waffle.

Ukraine is not a NATO member.

So what's Russia's position?

"We're invading a non-NATO member because we don't like NATO, which exists because of our war mongering since 1945?"

Sums it up, doesn't it?

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

It's hard for "the west" to take the moral high ground with Russia and what they're doing to Ukraine when they all sit and do nothing with the US and their ongoing actions in Cuba.

The US doesn't occupy Cuba. Nobody occupies Cuba.

Is "Cuba" all you've got to whatabout about Russian war mongering?

The sum position of you and several other posters here is the Mick Wallace/Claire Daly one, ie. "US bad, Russia good", repeat repeat repeat like a zombie.

Wallace and Daly are a f**king embarrassment to the Ireland. I hope for their sakes they're getting paid well by Russia to act as cheerleaders.

Youse lot here aren't, yis are just useful eejits.

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

To be fair your second post on this referenced Britain and Ireland. Bit hypocritical tbh.

Let's say in a few years' time a united Ireland is democratically voted for, and the Loyalists decide they want to create a "Ballymena Peoples Republic" and a "Newtownards People's Republic", and the Brits arm them, and the local nuts shoot down a civilian airliner using British weapons, and the Brits invade County Armagh and County Louth and decide to call it part of Britain.

And continually undermine the Dublin government and threaten to invade the whole island again.

I presume you'll be supporting the Brits and the Loyalists in that case.

Because it would be directly analogous to what Ukraine has had done to it by Russia.

[johnnycool]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

It's hard for "the west" to take the moral high ground with Russia and what they're doing to Ukraine when they all sit and do nothing with the US and their ongoing actions in Cuba.

The US doesn't occupy Cuba. Nobody occupies Cuba.

Is "Cuba" all you've got to whatabout about Russian war mongering?

The sum position of you and several other posters here is the Mick Wallace/Claire Daly one, ie. "US bad, Russia good", repeat repeat repeat like a zombie.

Wallace and Daly are a f**king embarrassment to the Ireland. I hope for their sakes they're getting paid well by Russia to act as cheerleaders.

Youse lot here aren't, yis are just useful eejits.

Oh right, you've never heard about Guantanamo Bay then...

My stance on this is "Russia bad, US bad".

Is that too complex to understand?

[Dougal Maguire]

You can rest assured that once Sid becomes involved in a thread it soon turns toxic

[Milltown Row2]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

To be fair your second post on this referenced Britain and Ireland. Bit hypocritical tbh.

Let's say in a few years' time a united Ireland is democratically voted for, and the Loyalists decide they want to create a "Ballymena Peoples Republic" and a "Newtownards People's Republic", and the Brits arm them, and the local nuts shoot down a civilian airliner using British weapons, and the Brits invade County Armagh and County Louth and decide to call it part of Britain.

And continually undermine the Dublin government and threaten to invade the whole island again.

I presume you'll be supporting the Brits and the Loyalists in that case.

Because it would be directly analogous to what Ukraine has had done to it by Russia.

The brits have been arming those areas for years

[trueblue1234]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

To be fair your second post on this referenced Britain and Ireland. Bit hypocritical tbh.

Let's say in a few years' time a united Ireland is democratically voted for, and the Loyalists decide they want to create a "Ballymena Peoples Republic" and a "Newtownards People's Republic", and the Brits arm them, and the local nuts shoot down a civilian airliner using British weapons, and the Brits invade County Armagh and County Louth and decide to call it part of Britain.

And continually undermine the Dublin government and threaten to invade the whole island again.

I presume you'll be supporting the Brits and the Loyalists in that case.

Because it would be directly analogous to what Ukraine has had done to it by Russia.

Sorry that's just waffle. I didn't put my position on the conflict. I just called out your usual BS where your whinging about someone mentioning Cuba when in your second post referenced the conflict in Ireland.
Stop trying to dictate the agenda and virtually puffing your chest out and you might find discussions more productive that the usual mess that they descend into when your involved.

[sid waddell]

So what's your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

Stop deflecting.

What right has Russia to tell any other country what to do?

What right has Russia to occupy another country?

Who is threatening war here?

I'll give you a hint. It isn't Ukraine. And it isn't NATO.

Ever heard of a little island called Cuba?

What Russia is doing to Ukraine is as wrong as what the US is doing to Cuba

You see again, posters here can't debate the issue without resorting to whataboutery and irrelevancies.

Cuba is irrelevant. This is about Ukraine and what Russia is doing to it.

And if yis can't look at the issue and debate it on its merits, yis are not interested in it, yis are merely parroting Russian "talking points".

To be fair your second post on this referenced Britain and Ireland. Bit hypocritical tbh.

Let's say in a few years' time a united Ireland is democratically voted for, and the Loyalists decide they want to create a "Ballymena Peoples Republic" and a "Newtownards People's Republic", and the Brits arm them, and the local nuts shoot down a civilian airliner using British weapons, and the Brits invade County Armagh and County Louth and decide to call it part of Britain.

And continually undermine the Dublin government and threaten to invade the whole island again.

I presume you'll be supporting the Brits and the Loyalists in that case.

Because it would be directly analogous to what Ukraine has had done to it by Russia.

Sorry that's just waffle. I didn't put my position on the conflict. I just called out your usual BS where your whinging about someone mentioning Cuba when in your second post referenced the conflict in Ireland.
Stop trying to dictate the agenda and virtually puffing your chest out and you might find discussions more productive that the usual mess that they descend into when your involved.

It isn't me that makes a mess of topics. It's narcissistic buffoons who decide to go off topic when they haven't the first idea about the topic at hand.

Have a look in the mirror.