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[High tackles aren't cynical.]

Trailer you muppets read what I said. I said it should be a black not that it was a black.

Clotheslining someone to stop a scoring chance is just as cynical as the things already in the list for a black, it can be more dangerous and as such should be added to the black card list.

Why can people not read what was said before making stupid posts arguing against what wasn't said??

But it can't be Black. Black Card = Cynical Fouls. High tackles aren't cynical. They are dangerous. Hence yellow / red.
And I'm the one who can't read!
More brains in a false face.

Away and sh!te.

A tackle around the neck should be a black imo. It's just as cynical, it's more dangerous and players are doing it now intentionally to avoid a black.

I don't think I've ever heard such shite in my life

It's a good shout, tbh. It's exactly the type of high-tackle, catching the man around the neck, that could see you binned in rugby just because of how dangerous it is. But it would take more than a few people to be badly injured for such a rule to be brought in in football.

Thats a good point its sort of like the helmet grab in hurling which one of the msot dangerous things I have seen in any sport.
Those tackles can happen accidentally I know but If there was immediate and serve consequences for head high tackles it would almost eliminate them. The accidental ones wouldn't happen because the tackler wouldn't even consider tackling in a way that could lead to an accidental high tackle if there was a risk that he could get the line.
stamp it ou

The big problem here is that several tyrone players, in particular mccann and donnelly have perfected the art of making an ordinary fair tackle into what appears to be a high tackle by throwing back their head just at the merest point of contact. Donegal had several players yellow carded very unfairly because of cheating from mccann and donnelly. It would have been much more unfair and an absolute travesty to see these players black carded.

Another classic Lennyism. I wonder would a nice hefty high challenge be enough to knock that chip off your shoulder?

Don't bother Benny. It's all the Derry ones have at the minute. Let them enjoy the crumbs.

Fans who are hoping to attend the All-Ireland football and hurling finals will need to buy separate tickets for babies or young infants that are travelling with them.

etc.

This was always the way, don't know why they're raising Cain about it now. Leave the child at home if you have to or let Mom stay at home too.

I have no problem with AI finals. That is a correct call. But semi-finals are usually a family day! Having to dish out extra money for a young child is a disgrace.

This is a baby that isn't even taking up a seat. It shouldn't even be an issue with the final. I expect the GAA to look at this fairly sharpish.

[If the ref had give that free in the end]

Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.

Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.

For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.

we'll agree to differ. The post match story is always written from the winners perspective. The margins are tiny. If the ref had give that free in the end and it went to extra time with monaghan winning or even a replay it would be a whole different conversation. Gievn that the ref made far bigger mistakes in the match he easily could have done so. E.g. one story might have been that starting Brennan as opposed to springing him from the bench didn't work out very well. They might want to look at that one again for the final

every team no matter how great they are complains about the ref if its justified. Many complain anyway.

Did you think it was a free for Hughes? I honestly didn't see that as one of the controversial decisions as I felt it was 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. I would have been p1ssed of it he had of given a free in for that.

Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.

Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.

For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

I've already said that I think Tyrone got the rub of the green in some of the free counts. But with regards to the black cards, that's not one area Monaghan can complain about.
And Tyrone have been shafted previously. It's not pleasant and I've said I'd have sympathy for the Monaghan supporters as we know only too well what it's like.

Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.

Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.

dunno why people are so keen to see more black cards. The foul on Cavanaugh was nothing more than that. It was likely a mistimed tackle rather than a deliberate attempt to bring a player to the ground with no attempt to play the ball.

It should be difficult to get a black card. The ref has to be 100% sure the offender was not attempting a fair tackle and was deliberately tripping or pulling a player to the ground.

If it's the same foul I'm thinking of, he tripped Cavanagh up with his hand as Cavanagh was getting away from him. It's a text book black card. Albeit, it was over at the sideline and in the middle of the pitch so didn't have a big impact. But that's obviously irrelevant to the foul.

Edit - Norf got there just before me

Look I could understand why some Monaghan fans were annoyed with the ref. I didn't think he was good and Tyrone got the benefit of a couple more wrong calls than Monaghan. But there's always over analysis of the losing sides mistakes. I don't know why some posters get so wound up because of that. I know had I been a Monaghan supporter yesterday I'd be fairly p!ssed of the day as well.
Course the genuinely annoyed Monaghan posters shouldn't be confused with some of the Derry/ Armagh posters on here who are less worried about the performance of the ref, as by the fact Tyrone progressed. T'is these that are trying to take a couple of decisions or missed decisions and make out that Tyrone are any more cynical than any of the other top teams.
If When Dublin win, all will be right with their world again, while the rest of the us worry about how the feck you get closer to beating Dublin. 

I think most Tyrone supporters would agree we prob got the rub of the green yesterday with a few marginal calls that went our way. That happens in sport, and we've been on the wrong of a number in the past as well so we know how annoying it can feel especially in a tight game like this, so to be fair. I'd have sympathy with the Monaghan supporters there.

Where I'd differ is that I still think we were the best team. I though we should never have been in the position we put ourselves in and should have had daylight between the sides at half time. Our defending and breaking at speed was exceptional at times and had we been a bit more reserved with shot selection and more patient in our approach play then we should have tagged on another number of points in that first half. I'd imagine there will be a lot of work to be done in that area over the next 3 weeks as some of the shot selection and decision making was terrible. I know someone earlier mentioned S'ON being involved in the training. I think there needs to be a realisation that S'ON was a special talent and had a fantastic ability to point from anywhere. Our forwards don't have that ability (And it's no disgrace to say so) so we need to ensure we are taking on higher % opportunities. Dublin are generally ruthless in attack, but they don't take on too many hollywood shots when the game is still up for grabs.

Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.

No McShane was off at that stage. Didn't have a great day today. Be lucky to hold down his spot I think.

There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.

We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them

Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.

Glad to see another bitter sickened!  Hope you were puking at the result!   

naw - this night 2 weeks i'll be laughing

The Pope?

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There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.

We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them

Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.

The fact that you mention Hampsey but then fail to mention the exact same thing done to Petey Harte shows that it was more a case of Who's doing it rather than the action itself that's caused annoyance.

Reserve championship after first round of senior is only solution. It's annoying and pushes the reserve championship out, but stops this whole nonsense were a player may be forced to miss a years championship football and stops the problem with EC being able to drop ex first team players into the reserve championship and then also being involved in the III's after that.

[IL never be one of them!]

lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.

great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!

No doubt the Harte bashers on here, who have called for Mickey to go and called for his head constantly.
These mouths will be the first in line looking for tickets for the Final (if we get there).
They will be the first down to Dublin for the final, the first game they  have attended in years.
Or maybe because they are so opposed to him and his style, tactics and play, then they will stay away - doubt it though.

Love Tyrone hate Harte. IL never give him credit. That ok princess?

My god. It all makes sense!!!!

And he would have got away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids.

It was fairly obvious to most. Pretty sad thing to do, replying to yourself on a Internet forum.

[IL never be one of them!]

lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.

great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!

No doubt the Harte bashers on here, who have called for Mickey to go and called for his head constantly.
These mouths will be the first in line looking for tickets for the Final (if we get there).
They will be the first down to Dublin for the final, the first game they  have attended in years.
Or maybe because they are so opposed to him and his style, tactics and play, then they will stay away - doubt it though.

Love Tyrone hate Harte. IL never give him credit. That ok princess?