Sunday July 30th at 3:30pm
Current odds by Paddy Power Kerry 10/11 Dublin 6/5 (suggests a 1 point win for Kerry)
Past Senior All Ireland finals between the two.
1892 - Dublin 1-4 Kerry 0-3
1923 - Dublin 1-5 Kerry 1-3
1924 - Kerry 0-4 Dublin 0-3
1955 - Kerry 0-12 Dublin 1-6
1975 - Kerry 2-12 Dublin 0-11
1976 - Dublin 3-8 Kerry 0-10
1978 - Kerry 5-11 Dublin 0-9
1979 - Kerry 3-13 Dublin 1-8
1984 - Kerry 0-14 Dublin 1-6
1985 - Kerry 2-12 Dublin 2-8
2011 - Dublin 1-12 Kerry 1-11
2015 - Dublin 0-15 Kerry 0-12
2019 - Dublin 1-16 Kerry 1-16
2019 - Dublin 1-18 Kerry 0-15
It's 2007 since Kerry retained the All Ireland title and 1994 since Dublin lost All Ireland final.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2023, 07:07:31 PM
Sunday July 30th at 3:30pm
Current odds by Paddy Power Kerry 10/11 Dublin 6/5 (suggests a 1 point win for Kerry)
Past Senior All Ireland finals between the two.
1892 - Dublin 1-4 Kerry 0-3
1923 - Dublin 1-5 Kerry 1-3
1924 - Kerry 0-4 Dublin 0-3
1955 - Kerry 0-12 Dublin 1-6
1975 - Kerry 2-12 Dublin 0-11
1976 - Dublin 3-8 Kerry 0-10
1978 - Kerry 5-11 Dublin 0-9
1979 - Kerry 3-13 Dublin 1-8
1984 - Kerry 0-14 Dublin 1-6
1985 - Kerry 2-12 Dublin 2-8
2011 - Dublin 1-12 Kerry 1-11
2015 - Dublin 0-15 Kerry 0-12
2019 - Dublin 1-16 Kerry 1-16
2019 - Dublin 1-18 Kerry 0-15
It's 2007 since Kerry retained the All Ireland title and 1994 since Dublin lost All Ireland final.
Dublin haven't beat kerry in championship/league since 2019 AI final.
You'd think there have been more finals between the two with all the talk?
14 finals contested with the pair out of 135.
Those 121 weren't real Finals that "everybody" wanted.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 07:25:47 PM
Those 121 weren't real Finals that "everybody" wanted.
Yes ''
everybody'' loves a ''
real'' final.
Spillane once claimed that Kerry saved Gaelic football in 1978.
Probably lost on another thread but
Have Kerry and Dublin only met in an All-Ireland Final every 4 years since 2011?
It looks to be the case.
Can't see Kerry taking down cheeky dubs..
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2023, 07:32:01 PM
Can't see Kerry taking down cheeky dubs..
The Dubs will chin them.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 07:19:54 PM
You'd think there have been more finals between the two with all the talk?
14 finals contested with the pair out of 135.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin%E2%80%93Kerry_Gaelic_football_rivalry
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2023, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 07:19:54 PM
You'd think there have been more finals between the two with all the talk?
14 finals contested with the pair out of 135.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin%E2%80%93Kerry_Gaelic_football_rivalry
Yep you would think it was like Celtic V Rangers with all the talk.
The theory that Kerry only beat Dublin in last years All Ireland semi final because Con O'Callaghan was missing will be tested in a couple of weeks.
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
Most Sam Maguire medals won thus far is 8 won by 12 players. James McCarthy, Stephen Cluxton and Michael Fitzsimons have the opportunity to go ahead of the pack with 9 medals now.
Henry Shefflin has the record in Hurling with 10 All-Ireland medals.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! ;)
That's what happens when you pick lads from another County for your team.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! ;)
It's nice to see the team playing at home doing well.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! ;)
That's what happens when you pick lads from another County for your team.
Isn't there a Kerry man playing for Roscommon?
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2023, 10:32:58 PM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! ;)
That's what happens when you pick lads from another County for your team.
Isn't there a Kerry man playing for Roscommon?
Roscommon parents now living back among us and playing for Éire Óg.
Different situation than 125 years of it.
Sure football has been saved, that's all that matters
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
9 All Irelands. Incredible if he does it.
From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
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Division 2 v division 1. Fancy Kerry
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 10:35:48 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2023, 10:32:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! ;)
That's what happens when you pick lads from another County for your team.
Isn't there a Kerry man playing for Roscommon?
Roscommon parents now living back among us and playing for Éire Óg.
Different situation than 125 years of it.
Ye have a Galway buck in nets?
Again Ros parents and from a family steeped in Kilmore GAA. His uncle is Co Chair and his cousin is sub goalie.
Not the same as 125 years etc
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2023, 08:59:52 AM
Again Ros parents and from a family steeped in Kilmore GAA. His uncle is Co Chair and his cousin is sub goalie.
Not the same as 125 years etc
Plays with club in Galway. Don't recall mayo having many outsiders outside of Enda Sheehy and Tomas Tierney. I recall the Rossies approaching Keith Beirne when he fell out with Leitrim management. A transfer to Kilglass Gaels was on the cards.
Hard one to call but leaning towards the Dubs. I think if you take Clifford out of it, the Dubs are a better side, so it will come down to stopping him. Derry had no special plan for him and left him 1 on 1 which was very brave but i think it was partly forced as most of their other defenders are important to how they attack. I doubt the Dubs will afford him the same space, that of course could give Kerry's other forwards an opportunity as they weren't great v Derry.
Quote from: grounded on July 16, 2023, 11:12:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
9 All Irelands. Incredible if he does it.
Incredible or appalling. Take your pick. Competition policy out the window. Cherry Orchard was more important.
Dublin plus Kerry win about 60% of football all Irelands.
After the 2004 all Ireland Jack O'Connor went into the defeated Mayo dressing room and told the players that Kerry needed the Sam more .
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 17, 2023, 09:50:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2023, 08:59:52 AM
Again Ros parents and from a family steeped in Kilmore GAA. His uncle is Co Chair and his cousin is sub goalie.
Not the same as 125 years etc
Plays with club in Galway. Don't recall mayo having many outsiders outside of Enda Sheehy and Tomas Tierney. I recall the Rossies approaching Keith Beirne when he fell out with Leitrim management. A transfer to Kilglass Gaels was on the cards.
You don't get the dig I was giving.
By the way Beirne has Ros parentage.
Anyway back to the AI Final that "everybody wants"....
Don't know which of them I dislike the most.
I presume it's Gough to Ref it?
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
Dublin plus Kerry win about 60% of football all Irelands.
After the 2004 all Ireland Jack O'Connor went into the defeated Mayo dressing room and told the players that Kerry needed the Sam more .
Did that really happen?
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 17, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I'm hearing Conor Lane to referee final.
is there nobody from Connacht that could ref it?
Paddy Neilan injured
Jerome Henry not IC material.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 10:35:48 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2023, 10:32:58 PM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!
See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! ;)
That's what happens when you pick lads from another County for your team.
Isn't there a Kerry man playing for Roscommon?
Roscommon parents now living back among us and playing for Éire Óg.
Different situation than 125 years of it.
His mother is from Moyvane, Co. Kerry. She is living in Listowel. Doubt very much if Conor Cox is living in Roscommon either.
Last I heard Cox was working in Carrick (on Shannon).
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2023, 08:50:26 AM
Last I heard Cox was working in Carrick (on Shannon).
Must be living close by to his work as is hardly making the 3 hour plus trek back to Listowel everyday. Plays for Éire Óg in Roscommon and I believe his father and uncle played for that club.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2023, 11:30:19 PM
From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
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Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
Gough to ref
Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2023, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2023, 11:30:19 PM
From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1MOy6tXgAAQWDY?format=jpg&name=360x360)
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Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
Clifford will easily score more than 4 in the final.
Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2023, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2023, 11:30:19 PM
From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1MOy6tXgAAQWDY?format=jpg&name=360x360)
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Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
No, he did not.
Quote from: Lucifer on July 20, 2023, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2023, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2023, 11:30:19 PM
From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1MOy6tXgAAQWDY?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1MOzkUXoAAr2kl?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
No, he did not.
If he's as good as the Derry folk say it can be the only reasonable explanation
Quote from: WT4E on July 20, 2023, 10:05:38 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 20, 2023, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2023, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2023, 11:30:19 PM
From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1MOy6tXgAAQWDY?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1MOzkUXoAAr2kl?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
No, he did not.
If he's as good as the Derry folk say it can be the only reasonable explanation
You're on a roll WT4E!
Clifford could put up a big Tally Sunday as dubs fullback line is very loose. Wouldn't be surprised to see him score 2-6.
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 25, 2023, 08:52:09 AM
Clifford could put up a big Tally Sunday as dubs fullback line is very loose. Wouldn't be surprised to see him score 2-6.
And yet Cluxton has not conceded a goal yet this championship (though EOD should have scored an open goal for Mayo).
Has there ever been so few posts about an AI Final?
I thought this being "the Final that everyone wanted(sic)".....we'd be 20 pages in by now ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2023, 07:39:17 PM
Has there ever been do few posts about an AI Final?
I thought this being "the Final that everyone wanted(sic)".....we'd be 20 pages in by now ::)
Can't call this game. I've thought long and hard about it, but can't see a clear winner...
It's certainly a very intriguing final between two teams with some of best players of their generation. I'm sure come Sunday everyone with an interest in football will want to see it and I've no doubt it'll make for a good final.
But from a neutral point of view it's probably the worst final possible. It's always nice to have a clear preference for one team in a final (usually the underdog) but in this case it's hard to really get behind either team given their success. A few years ago I was delighted to see Dublin make their breakthrough beating Kerry but they've been so dominant for a long spell since.
I'd have much preferred a Dublin Derry final and would have been more than happy for Derry to win.
Given Kerry won it last year and they're very very hard to listen to about football I think I'll narrowly favour the Dubs. It does leave you with that bit of fear of more domination given what has happened so recently but hopefully this will be a goodbye all Ireland for lots of their key men.
The only thing is it's great to see the best players play on All Ireland final day , ie, David Clifford. I've come to appreciate how good James McCarthy is as well, but I still won't be cheering for Dublin
So I suppose I'll be hoping Kerry win and the greatest player of this generation to lift Sam would probably be fitting.
Who have Dublin played anyone mayo excepted of potential? V handy route to a final one could argue.. Kerry have played many better teams. Could this be a deciding factor?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2023, 07:39:17 PM
Has there ever been so few posts about an AI Final?
I thought this being "the Final that everyone wanted(sic)".....we'd be 20 pages in by now ::)
It be as one sided as last Sunday when Kerry forwards click. Dubs haven't been tested. The Kerry and Derry game was all Ireland to me as kerry won't be as poor in final.
Quote from: rrhf on July 25, 2023, 10:23:18 PM
Who have Dublin played anyone mayo excepted of potential? V handy route to a final one could argue.. Kerry have played many better teams. Could this be a deciding factor?
Dublin played and bet
Laois, Kildare x2, Louth, Sligo, Mayowestros and Monaghan. Hekd Ros to a draw.
Kerry bet Tipp, Clare, Cork, Louth, Tyrone and Derry.
Lost to Mayowestros.
There's not much out there for Kerry and Dublin to feel threatened by. Especially the Quarter Finals which were heavily advantaged to the team finishing top of the Round-Robin Group.
Galway would have been a threat if they did not have tsunami of injuries.
But we have the final we all wanted..........so we should be happy with that.
Do people want the worst teams in the finals or the best? People are strange
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2023, 11:47:28 PM
Do people want the worst teams in the finals or the best? People are strange
Nah, don't mind who is in the Final.
Don't like the assumption that this is what everyone wanted.
Of course you want to see the best play each other in a Final.
Just the Dublin media and the Kerry entitlement that get on one's wick.
Hoping Dublin win this one.
It's obviously not the final that everybody wanted, that's just silly talk. People would naturally want their own county in the final instead, and failing that, a lot of neutrals would want to see someone new/less successful breaking through. But, it is the best two teams in the country at the moment, and it should be a close run game (as they almost always have been over the past decade or so). So it has the makings of a good final.
Quote from: weareros on July 25, 2023, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 25, 2023, 08:52:09 AM
Clifford could put up a big Tally Sunday as dubs fullback line is very loose. Wouldn't be surprised to see him score 2-6.
And yet Cluxton has not conceded a goal yet this championship (though EOD should have scored an open goal for Mayo).
McLaughlin
There was a picture of the 2011 AI minor programme on twitter yesterday. Dublin team included: Robert McDaid, Eric Lowndes, John Small, Jack McCaffrey, Cormac Costello, Ciaran Kilkenny and Paul Mannion. Davy Byrne was on the bench and Niall Scully was on the wider panel, not the match day squad.
I think 7 of those are in contention to start on Sunday, which is not only a serious amount to bring through from minors, but to still have them around 12 years later is some going.
Quote from: Estimator on July 26, 2023, 08:43:37 AM
There was a picture of the 2011 AI minor programme on twitter yesterday. Dublin team included: Robert McDaid, Eric Lowndes, John Small, Jack McCaffrey, Cormac Costello, Ciaran Kilkenny and Paul Mannion. Davy Byrne was on the bench and Niall Scully was on the wider panel, not the match day squad.
I think 7 of those are in contention to start on Sunday, which is not only a serious amount to bring through from minors, but to still have them around 12 years later is some going.
And did they not lose that final to Tipp? Just shows you winning the minor final isn't always the answer.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 26, 2023, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: Estimator on July 26, 2023, 08:43:37 AM
There was a picture of the 2011 AI minor programme on twitter yesterday. Dublin team included: Robert McDaid, Eric Lowndes, John Small, Jack McCaffrey, Cormac Costello, Ciaran Kilkenny and Paul Mannion. Davy Byrne was on the bench and Niall Scully was on the wider panel, not the match day squad.
I think 7 of those are in contention to start on Sunday, which is not only a serious amount to bring through from minors, but to still have them around 12 years later is some going.
And did they not lose that final to Tipp? Just shows you winning the minor final isn't always the answer.
Never heard any of them talk about this, but I'd imagine the huge personal disappointment of losing an AI final where they were favs (notwithstanding that was an excellent Tipp team) but then to witness at so close hand the joy of the senior team who finally won an All Ireland later that day, must have acted as tremendous motivation for them.
Fancy Dublin to win this one, however, how Dublin stop Clifford is going to be massive as he could win the game on his own.
I don't think the Kerry forward line is great Moynihan and Spillane aren't massive scoring threats and Geaney is the shadow of himself. Gannon/Murchan are excellent defenders and I believe can get the better of P Clifford. Small will probably pick up O'Shea who to be fair had a big second half against Derry and caused Small bother in last years semi. Will be interesting if O'Shea plays right in with Clifford to try an exploit the Dublin full back line.
Dublin for me also have the advantage in midfield and on kickouts with Cluxton there and Fenton and the ageless McCarthy. Barry has a decent record against Fenton though so will be no inferiority complex. Also think Dublin bench will bring more to the party than Kerry and have a wider spread of scores. Should be a good open contest.
Quote from: statto on July 26, 2023, 03:33:12 PM
Fancy Dublin to win this one, however, how Dublin stop Clifford is going to be massive as he could win the game on his own.
I don't think the Kerry forward line is great Moynihan and Spillane aren't massive scoring threats and Geaney is the shadow of himself. Gannon/Murchan are excellent defenders and I believe can get the better of P Clifford. Small will probably pick up O'Shea who to be fair had a big second half against Derry and caused Small bother in last years semi. Will be interesting if O'Shea plays right in with Clifford to try an exploit the Dublin full back line.
Dublin for me also have the advantage in midfield and on kickouts with Cluxton there and Fenton and the ageless McCarthy. Barry has a decent record against Fenton though so will be no inferiority complex. Also think Dublin bench will bring more to the party than Kerry and have a wider spread of scores. Should be a good open contest.
Derry couldn't handle Clifford and nearly won the game themselves. Kerry forwards need to step it up a level to have a chance and feel they need to go into HT with a decent lead
I see Kerry GAA have a bit more cop with the name of their post match function this year. From "Post Match Party" Last year to Sunday's "end of season gathering"
Quote from: statto on July 26, 2023, 03:33:12 PM
Fancy Dublin to win this one, however, how Dublin stop Clifford is going to be massive as he could win the game on his own.
I don't think the Kerry forward line is great Moynihan and Spillane aren't massive scoring threats and Geaney is the shadow of himself. Gannon/Murchan are excellent defenders and I believe can get the better of P Clifford. Small will probably pick up O'Shea who to be fair had a big second half against Derry and caused Small bother in last years semi. Will be interesting if O'Shea plays right in with Clifford to try an exploit the Dublin full back line.
Dublin for me also have the advantage in midfield and on kickouts with Cluxton there and Fenton and the ageless McCarthy. Barry has a decent record against Fenton though so will be no inferiority complex. Also think Dublin bench will bring more to the party than Kerry and have a wider spread of scores. Should be a good open contest.
Geaney and Moynihan always play well against the Dubs. Geaney excellent bet for anytime goalscorer. Spillane will be upgrade on bench for Tony Brosnan.
I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S ) and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards.
The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do.
So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.
The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!
Quote from: Real Talk on July 27, 2023, 08:33:19 AM
I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S ) and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards.
The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do.
So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.
The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!
Would it be better to have the public who are watching the game to have an app that they use to ref the game with, so if so many press and button at 'free' then a big hooter goes off at Croke and free given with the relevant punishment? Who would we blame then?
Good idea Milltown ;D
Do they want the Ref to ignore fouls, or just ignore one team's fouls, or only blow for certain fouls or what exactly?
Maybe players could stop fouling ?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2023, 10:10:59 AM
Good udea Milltown ;D
Do they want the Ref to ignore fouls, or just ignore one team's fouls, or only blow for certain fouls or what exactly?
Maybe players could stop fouling ?
Personally the experts on the sofa have it sussed, I'm in the process of developing that app, then we can move on to how a team loses the game rather than the ref ;)
Are we sure the football final is definitely this Sunday? Not sure if it is just me but never seen as quiet build-up to a final. Maybe there is more about it in Dublin or Kerry?
There aren't that many posters from either county on this forum. Ulster and connacht dominated really. I'd expect more if you had more dubs / kerry people.
I would expect it's a big enough build up round those areas.
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 27, 2023, 12:58:55 AM
Quote from: statto on July 26, 2023, 03:33:12 PM
Fancy Dublin to win this one, however, how Dublin stop Clifford is going to be massive as he could win the game on his own.
I don't think the Kerry forward line is great Moynihan and Spillane aren't massive scoring threats and Geaney is the shadow of himself. Gannon/Murchan are excellent defenders and I believe can get the better of P Clifford. Small will probably pick up O'Shea who to be fair had a big second half against Derry and caused Small bother in last years semi. Will be interesting if O'Shea plays right in with Clifford to try an exploit the Dublin full back line.
Dublin for me also have the advantage in midfield and on kickouts with Cluxton there and Fenton and the ageless McCarthy. Barry has a decent record against Fenton though so will be no inferiority complex. Also think Dublin bench will bring more to the party than Kerry and have a wider spread of scores. Should be a good open contest.
Geaney and Moynihan always play well against the Dubs. Geaney excellent bet for anytime goalscorer. Spillane will be upgrade on bench for Tony Brosnan.
Would agree with that, but not sure how match fit he will be will be hard to get up to the speed of an AI final.
Last All Ireland final between Kerry and Dublin was in 2019 and having looked into it there was 19 pages on the thread three days before the drawn final so for whatever reason the same interest isn't there for this Kerry v Dublin final on here. September final made a difference back then?
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 27, 2023, 04:13:57 PM
Last All Ireland final between Kerry and Dublin was in 2019 and having looked into it there was 19 pages on the thread three days before the drawn final so for whatever reason the same interest isn't there for this Kerry v Dublin final on here. September final made a difference back then?
Aye that's true but there an awful lot more Social media options being activated than this Discussion forum ... also maybe Mayo & Tyrone being completely out of the picture makes a big difference too
The interest in Inter-county football is waning every year. The Dublin Dominance of 2011 to 2021 created a huge gulf. The tinkering with the Super 8's and the present format has seen the Privileged getting more privileges.
The Pre-Quarter-final winners getting a week to prepare for a Quarter Final was a Joke and the games proved this.
The Tailteann Cup seen a team like Meath end up in it because a Division 4 side beat two Division 4 sides to qualify for Sam Maguire. What a mess?
GAAGO greediness added to the lack of interest as feck all could see the games.
There is an apathy. The game itself is incredibly boring, bar the very odd game.
Hoping Dublin win by 10, but I don't think there will be a kick of a ball in it. Will be gripping
Quote from: JoG2 on July 27, 2023, 06:50:47 PM
Hoping Dublin win by 10, but I don't think there will be a kick of a ball in it. Will be gripping
Why? As neutral I'm hoping it's one of those Dublin v Kerry games that's decided with the last kick of the game.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 27, 2023, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 27, 2023, 06:50:47 PM
Hoping Dublin win by 10, but I don't think there will be a kick of a ball in it. Will be gripping
Why? As neutral I'm hoping it's one of those Dublin v Kerry games that's decided with the last kick of the game.
for dublin
I hope Dublin win too. Something about that Kerry team I wouldn't be a big fan of.
It will be tight. Both teams face the same thing in that they won't have faced anyone with as strong a bench until now. Brosnan being out is I think a big loss for Kerry.
Intriguing to see who picks up Clifford and also who picks up O'Callaghan. Same really with Kilkenny (if or when he makes an appearance), Paudie Clifford and Sean O'Shead. Mannion too I guess. It is hard to call.
I think we, with our rather abysmal display, painted the Kerry midfield in a fairly decent light, when in fact I think they're quite suspect, and I expect Fenton and Howard to expose that on Sunday.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 27, 2023, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 27, 2023, 06:50:47 PM
Hoping Dublin win by 10, but I don't think there will be a kick of a ball in it. Will be gripping
Why? As neutral I'm hoping it's one of those Dublin v Kerry games that's decided with the last kick of the game.
Level on the 70th mark and then Dublin blitz them in injury time!
Not particulary bothered who wins as I can't stand either of them.
If Kerry win they'll feck off down to their corner of the World and won't bother the rest of us
If Dublin win we'll have to listen to 6 months of hype and drivel from the media.
It's time Dublin lost an AI Final anyway.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 27, 2023, 07:24:54 PM
I think we, with our rather abysmal display, painted the Kerry midfield in a fairly decent light, when in fact I think they're quite suspect, and I expect Fenton and Howard to expose that on Sunday.
Derry have a stronger midfield than Tyrone and arguably as strong as Dublin's and I thought Kerry took control of that area in the 2nd half of the semi final. Can Fenton produce the performance on Sunday similar to how he played against Monaghan when the game was in the melting pot? he wasn't overly impressive in this years championship before that match but certainly has the ability to turn it on when needed most.
Main thing Tyrone made Kerry look decent at was in defence. They were ropey in defence in the 1st half against Derry and for the majority of the game against Mayo, weren't great in the Munster final against Clare. Defensively was their strength and key to winning the All Ireland last year and Sunday will show if they are really back to that level again defensively as they'll need to be to topple Dublin.
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Used to be nobody wanted Dublin to win, this current Kerry team seem to be dislikable "Seanie O'Shea/ Paudie 2 examples ( D Clifford aside) hard know what way the game go, I prefer Dublin, but I think Kerry beat them.
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Watch the amount of sneaky hits and closed fist tackles he does. That will change your mind
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 27, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Watch the amount of sneaky hits and closed fist tackles he does. That will change your mind
Hopefully no choke holds and digs to the chest ;D
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 27, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Watch the amount of sneaky hits and closed fist tackles he does. That will change your mind
Do you reckon he gets away with more than the guy marking him in most games?
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 27, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Watch the amount of sneaky hits and closed fist tackles he does. That will change your mind
He is overall a clean footballer...
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
I like Sean O'Shea. The other Clifford thought. You couldn't like him if you rared him
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 27, 2023, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 27, 2023, 07:24:54 PM
I think we, with our rather abysmal display, painted the Kerry midfield in a fairly decent light, when in fact I think they're quite suspect, and I expect Fenton and Howard to expose that on Sunday.
Derry have a stronger midfield than Tyrone and arguably as strong as Dublin's and I thought Kerry took control of that area in the 2nd half of the semi final. Can Fenton produce the performance on Sunday similar to how he played against Monaghan when the game was in the melting pot? he wasn't overly impressive in this years championship before that match but certainly has the ability to turn it on when needed most.
Main thing Tyrone made Kerry look decent at was in defence. They were ropey in defence in the 1st half against Derry and for the majority of the game against Mayo, weren't great in the Munster final against Clare. Defensively was their strength and key to winning the All Ireland last year and Sunday will show if they are really back to that level again defensively as they'll need to be to topple Dublin.
I watched the second half last night and I wouldn't say Kerry took control of that area 2nd half. Both teams were winning their own kick out until the last 10 min. In that period a couple were hit over the midfield and Kerry won the breaks but that was nothing to do with Glass or Rodgers. O'Connor and Barry broke one but they didn't win any clean possession. In general play Rogers was the best of the 4 by a long way.
Kerry defence were ropey enough second half v Derry too. Derry slowed it down second half but they created a lot of chances and missed too many. I said it after the game but Tyrone made Kerry look good and would have been well beaten by any div 1 team with the amount of times they coughed up possession in attack. I'll be very surprised if the Dubs don't win on Sunday.
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
Is there extra time or straight to replay? Find it strange that there is replays at this stage, but not earlier in the competition(would suggest this is due to not having enough room in the calendar), would it not be best to have the same rules throughout?
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 27, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Watch the amount of sneaky hits and closed fist tackles he does. That will change your mind
Agree O'Shea and Paudie Clifford get away with lot of dirty hits. Marty or Canning never call as too much drooling over kerry.
Quote from: Piskin on July 28, 2023, 03:59:23 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 27, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Watch the amount of sneaky hits and closed fist tackles he does. That will change your mind
He is overall a clean footballer...
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
At 5/4 I think the Dubs are great value. Much stronger team all round and would hardly be likely to miss the clutch scoring chances Derry did coming down the stretch. Bar the wonderful David Clifford I think the rest of the Kerry attack is very average - would Stephen O'Brien or Paul Geaney be anywhere near starting for their opponent? I'd also give Dublin a pronounced advantage in midfield. Quite surprised Kerry are slight favourites for this to be honest.
Quote from: statto on July 28, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
Is there extra time or straight to replay? Find it strange that there is replays at this stage, but not earlier in the competition(would suggest this is due to not having enough room in the calendar), would it not be best to have the same rules throughout?
So if there are 3 drawn games they are refitted the following week, leaving a team less time (as this was a big complaint of teams that didnt win their titles and had to play a week later. even though that would mean no incentive for winning a title in the first place) to prepare and being at a disadvantage for ones to complain they shoulda had longer merry-go-round !
Finals at senior grade be they club or intercounty, have, in the main always if drawn in normal time go to extra time and then a replay
Quote from: mouview on July 28, 2023, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
At 5/4 I think the Dubs are great value. Much stronger team all round and would hardly be likely to miss the clutch scoring chances Derry did coming down the stretch. Bar the wonderful David Clifford I think the rest of the Kerry attack is very average - would Stephen O'Brien or Paul Geaney be anywhere near starting for their opponent? I'd also give Dublin a pronounced advantage in midfield. Quite surprised Kerry are slight favourites for this to be honest.
I would agree. While it is not as simple as this 1 point game last year, Dubs have added Mannion, McCaffrey, Cluxton, Con to the team would have Dublin as slight favourites. Home advantage and a drought of such not having won AI in 3 years, think there need is more and likely the last dance for some of games greats.
Quote from: statto on July 28, 2023, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: mouview on July 28, 2023, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
At 5/4 I think the Dubs are great value. Much stronger team all round and would hardly be likely to miss the clutch scoring chances Derry did coming down the stretch. Bar the wonderful David Clifford I think the rest of the Kerry attack is very average - would Stephen O'Brien or Paul Geaney be anywhere near starting for their opponent? I'd also give Dublin a pronounced advantage in midfield. Quite surprised Kerry are slight favourites for this to be honest.
I would agree. While it is not as simple as this 1 point game last year, Dubs have added Mannion, McCaffrey, Cluxton, Con to the team would have Dublin as slight favourites. Home advantage and a drought of such not having won AI in 3 years, think there need is more and likely the last dance for some of games greats.
Would it be best to move the final to some other county? I'm really bored of the home advantage line, it's Croke park, ask anyone where do they want to play they will all say Croke Park, not the Athletic Grounds
It doesn't matter if your bored, you can't get a way from the stats, Dublin play all of their league and championship games in Croke Park, have done for years. Its their home ground. Imagine St Galls getting to play every championship game they ever played in the period they had a serious team, its would have been very helpful to them and certainly been a disadvantage to their opposition.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2023, 12:00:36 PM
Quote from: statto on July 28, 2023, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: mouview on July 28, 2023, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
At 5/4 I think the Dubs are great value. Much stronger team all round and would hardly be likely to miss the clutch scoring chances Derry did coming down the stretch. Bar the wonderful David Clifford I think the rest of the Kerry attack is very average - would Stephen O'Brien or Paul Geaney be anywhere near starting for their opponent? I'd also give Dublin a pronounced advantage in midfield. Quite surprised Kerry are slight favourites for this to be honest.
I would agree. While it is not as simple as this 1 point game last year, Dubs have added Mannion, McCaffrey, Cluxton, Con to the team would have Dublin as slight favourites. Home advantage and a drought of such not having won AI in 3 years, think there need is more and likely the last dance for some of games greats.
Would it be best to move the final to some other county? I'm really bored of the home advantage line, it's Croke park, ask anyone where do they want to play they will all say Croke Park, not the Athletic Grounds
Its a fact that Dublin get more exposure to the ground which will give them an advantage. The game should be in croke park absolutely. Be some struggle for tickets for 18,000 capacity stadium ::)
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
It doesn't matter if your bored, you can't get a way from the stats, Dublin play all of their league and championship games in Croke Park, have done for years. Its their home ground. Imagine St Galls getting to play every championship game they ever played in the period they had a serious team, its would have been very helpful to them and certainly been a disadvantage to their opposition.
So I've asked the question, where do we play the final?
We played Cross in Cross and in Newry, they won each time because they were the better team on the day.
If having the game at Croke for the last hundred odd years then Dublin, because of the advantage should have the most hurling and football titles than anyone else
Quote from: statto on July 28, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
Is there extra time or straight to replay? Find it strange that there is replays at this stage, but not earlier in the competition(would suggest this is due to not having enough room in the calendar), would it not be best to have the same rules throughout?
If level ón 70 minutes Sunday it goes to extra time, if level after extra time it then goes to a replay.
The replay would be finished on the day (All-Ireland could be won on penalties)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2023, 01:18:58 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
It doesn't matter if your bored, you can't get a way from the stats, Dublin play all of their league and championship games in Croke Park, have done for years. Its their home ground. Imagine St Galls getting to play every championship game they ever played in the period they had a serious team, its would have been very helpful to them and certainly been a disadvantage to their opposition.
So I've asked the question, where do we play the final?
We played Cross in Cross and in Newry, they won each time because they were the better team on the day.
If having the game at Croke for the last hundred odd years then Dublin, because of the advantage should have the most hurling and football titles than anyone else
It's not the only factor in the number of titles, but it clearly is a factor.
Imagine for a minute that the All-Ireland was held in Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney for the last 100 years?
Would Kerry have more, less or the same number of titles?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2023, 01:18:58 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
It doesn't matter if your bored, you can't get a way from the stats, Dublin play all of their league and championship games in Croke Park, have done for years. Its their home ground. Imagine St Galls getting to play every championship game they ever played in the period they had a serious team, its would have been very helpful to them and certainly been a disadvantage to their opposition.
So I've asked the question, where do we play the final?
We played Cross in Cross and in Newry, they won each time because they were the better team on the day.
If having the game at Croke for the last hundred odd years then Dublin, because of the advantage should have the most hurling and football titles than anyone else
What advantage do cross have when the game was in Newry? They live closer? They also hammered you in casement one year, but your not comparing apples with apples.
It may be a marginal gain in a game of fine margins it may tip the scales in Dublin's favour is all that I am saying.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2023, 01:39:32 PM
Quote from: statto on July 28, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
I find it impossible to predict the outcome of this match. There is still some improvement in this Kerry side whilst I think Dublin are trying to dig out one last All Ireland from the remnants of the great side. You would think that this would favour the younger more energetic side but Kerry have not really convinced me for large parts of this season. The best form guide is the semi final from last season when it could have gone either way even though Kerry dominated for the best part of that match but Dublin have a few lads back in the squad since then and David Moran has now retired. I think this could go to a replay.
Is there extra time or straight to replay? Find it strange that there is replays at this stage, but not earlier in the competition(would suggest this is due to not having enough room in the calendar), would it not be best to have the same rules throughout?
Thanks for clarifying.
If level ón 70 minutes Sunday it goes to extra time, if level after extra time it then goes to a replay.
The replay would be finished on the day (All-Ireland could be won on penalties)
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 27, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Keane on July 27, 2023, 10:49:29 PM
Out of pure genuine interest what's dislikable about Sean O'Shea? I don't know him at all but seems like the quintessential dedicated, hard working, team first kind of footballer
Watch the amount of sneaky hits and closed fist tackles he does. That will change your mind
Sounds like admiration, cloaked in jealousy.
Nah, he a bollocks
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2023, 01:59:33 PM
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Cluxton , the first player over 40 to win an All Ireland medal ?
Christy Ring not win one?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2023, 11:29:31 PM
Christ Ring not win one?
Ring played until his mid forties alright, but I think he was around 34 when he won his eight
and final All Ireland medal.
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 28, 2023, 11:22:12 PM
Cluxton , the first player over 40 to win an All Ireland medal ?
Remember reading a while back that Jim Ware was 40 when Waterford won the 1948 All Ireland I think he has the record for the oldest winning captain.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2023, 12:52:05 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 28, 2023, 11:22:12 PM
Cluxton , the first player over 40 to win an All Ireland medal ?
Remember reading a while back that Jim Ware was 40 when Waterford won the 1948 All Ireland I think he has the record for the oldest winning captain.
I'm told Larry Cribbin (Kildare) was 41 in 1919...but I don't remember it that clearly.
All Ireland final at 8pgs, the media not say this was the final we all wanted. Why we be beating down the doors to see 2 teams, who won 60+ all-Irelands beats me.
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 28, 2023, 11:22:12 PM
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Cluxton , the first player over 40 to win an All Ireland medal ?
Cluxton won't be winning any medals.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2023, 11:34:59 AM
All Ireland final at 8pgs, the media not say this was the final we all wanted. Why we be beating down the doors to see 2 teams who won 60+ all-Irelands beat me.
The semis and finals in both codes haven't had room to breathe. People only coming down from watching a great hurling final , and the football is on top of us already.
In this century Kerry Dublin and Tyrone will have won 20 of the 24 titles.
In the last century, they won 47 of the 100.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 29, 2023, 12:28:31 PM
In this century Kerry Dublin and Tyrone will have won 20 of the 24 titles.
In the last century, they won 47 of the 100.
That's a frightening stat.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 29, 2023, 12:28:31 PM
In this century Kerry Dublin and Tyrone will have won 20 of the 24 titles.
In the last century, they won 47 of the 100.
No back-door last century, mind you! Nor a 6 in a row by the best team ever to play Gaelic Football.
You'd wonder if there's any joy in wining so many. I'd settle for one in my lifetime.
Quote from: weareros on July 29, 2023, 03:10:00 PM
You'd wonder if there's any joy in wining so many. I'd settle for one in my lifetime.
There absolutely is joy. But nothing beats the first. Diminishing marginal returns. Although I'm not speaking from experience when it comes to all Irelands ;D
The serial winners go through the motions.
The 1st or seldom winners go through the emotions!
Imagine the excitement and novelty if Derry or Monaghan or indeed both had made the Final.
It's probably more of a case of what more is there to be said regarding this particular pairing in the Final -- I'd say the level of anticipation is none the worse for it though.
Seeing the media try to milk this pairing for all its worth today is a bit boring.
It's like a final between Barcelona and Real Madrid. You just don't care that much.
+1.
Media slobbering all over it, rest of us looking back at our own teams' seasons and looking forward to Club Championships.
Will be great to not hear as many posters discussing the final considering how boring a game it's going to be.
Some amount of shite talk!!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 29, 2023, 03:57:38 PM
Sorry to be positive but it has the makings of a very good game. I've no love for either team but I'm looking forward to it.
I'm really looking forward to it too. But I'd have preferred Derry v Monaghan. But that's intercounty ; a few have won the vast majority.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
Will be great to not hear as many posters discussing the final considering how boring a game it's going to be.
Some amount of shite talk!!
So long as it's competitive and the game won and lost in the final 10 minutes it shouldn't be boring. The Hurling final last week was far too predictable and was just a matter of how much Limerick would win by once they moved up the gears and no neutrals will want to witness a repeat of such a boring outcome in All Ireland final for a 2nd weekend in a row.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Seeing the media try to milk this pairing for all its worth today is a bit boring.
It's like a final between Barcelona and Real Madrid. You just don't care that much.
Yes you do it seems
Quote from: Piskin on July 29, 2023, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Seeing the media try to milk this pairing for all its worth today is a bit boring.
It's like a final between Barcelona and Real Madrid. You just don't care that much.
Yes you do it seems
A post on it means little in the way of caring. Redhand's right though. It will or should be a mighty contest but theres not the excitment of having a Mayo in it for example, or Monaghan or Derry and what it would mean to those counties and alot of neutrals tuning in.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Seeing the media try to milk this pairing for all its worth today is a bit boring.
It's like a final between Barcelona and Real Madrid. You just don't care that much.
That would make Tyrone who? Athletico?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 29, 2023, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Seeing the media try to milk this pairing for all its worth today is a bit boring.
It's like a final between Barcelona and Real Madrid. You just don't care that much.
That would make Tyrone who? Athletico?
Mayo would be Atletico. Just can't get over the line
Tyrone would be Mourinho's Inter side
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 29, 2023, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
Will be great to not hear as many posters discussing the final considering how boring a game it's going to be.
Some amount of shite talk!!
So long as it's competitive and the game won and lost in the final 10 minutes it shouldn't be boring. The Hurling final last week was far too predictable and was just a matter of how much Limerick would win by once they moved up the gears and no neutrals will want to witness a repeat of such a boring outcome in All Ireland final for a 2nd weekend in a row.
When a team wins well, what's wrong with that? Sometimes you have to applaud great teams. We sit through enough games with 30 defenders or teams afraid to attack. Watching teams be offensive is never boring, regardless of the score
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 29, 2023, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
Will be great to not hear as many posters discussing the final considering how boring a game it's going to be.
Some amount of shite talk!!
So long as it's competitive and the game won and lost in the final 10 minutes it shouldn't be boring. The Hurling final last week was far too predictable and was just a matter of how much Limerick would win by once they moved up the gears and no neutrals will want to witness a repeat of such a boring outcome in All Ireland final for a 2nd weekend in a row.
When a team wins well, what's wrong with that? Sometimes you have to applaud great teams. We sit through enough games with 30 defenders or teams afraid to attack. Watching teams be offensive is never boring, regardless of the score
A competitive contest decided on fine margin is more compelling viewing for neutrals than one team running away with it.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 12:03:45 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 29, 2023, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
Will be great to not hear as many posters discussing the final considering how boring a game it's going to be.
Some amount of shite talk!!
So long as it's competitive and the game won and lost in the final 10 minutes it shouldn't be boring. The Hurling final last week was far too predictable and was just a matter of how much Limerick would win by once they moved up the gears and no neutrals will want to witness a repeat of such a boring outcome in All Ireland final for a 2nd weekend in a row.
When a team wins well, what's wrong with that? Sometimes you have to applaud great teams. We sit through enough games with 30 defenders or teams afraid to attack. Watching teams be offensive is never boring, regardless of the score
A competitive contest decided on fine margin is more compelling viewing for neutrals than one team running away with it.
Yep, a contest!
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2023, 10:19:25 PM
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Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Seeing the media try to milk this pairing for all its worth today is a bit boring.
It's like a final between Barcelona and Real Madrid. You just don't care that much.
That would make Tyrone who? Athletico?
Mayo would be Atletico. Just can't get over the line
Tyrone would be Mourinho's Inter side
You don't watch a lot of Spanish footie, do you?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 30, 2023, 01:03:18 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2023, 10:19:25 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 29, 2023, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Seeing the media try to milk this pairing for all its worth today is a bit boring.
It's like a final between Barcelona and Real Madrid. You just don't care that much.
That would make Tyrone who? Athletico?
Mayo would be Atletico. Just can't get over the line
Tyrone would be Mourinho's Inter side
You don't watch a lot of Spanish footie, do you?
I mean in terms of the champions league. Been very close on a few occasions . Seconds away from winning it , if I remember right
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2023, 12:57:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2023, 12:41:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 12:03:45 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 29, 2023, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
Will be great to not hear as many posters discussing the final considering how boring a game it's going to be.
Some amount of shite talk!!
So long as it's competitive and the game won and lost in the final 10 minutes it shouldn't be boring. The Hurling final last week was far too predictable and was just a matter of how much Limerick would win by once they moved up the gears and no neutrals will want to witness a repeat of such a boring outcome in All Ireland final for a 2nd weekend in a row.
When a team wins well, what's wrong with that? Sometimes you have to applaud great teams. We sit through enough games with 30 defenders or teams afraid to attack. Watching teams be offensive is never boring, regardless of the score
A competitive contest decided on fine margin is more compelling viewing for neutrals than one team running away with it.
Yep, a contest!
Depends what you prefer (or used to) to watch, I've no preference on who wins, I just want (though probably won't see it today lol) to see teams playing decent football, and if a teams wins by 6 or 7 points, so what?
Kilkenny in for Scully
It's been a long time since Dublin have lost a AI Final at home.
Interesting Cluxton back taking 45s and gets the first score of the game. Big goal chance for Kerry not taken.
Why have we a Kerry man - Éamonn Fitzmaurice on co-commentary. He's never going to call-out anything controversial against his native county.
Great score by Brian Fenton.
McCarthy would need to watch himself. Yellow coming.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2023, 03:45:15 PM
McCarthy would need to watch himself. Yellow coming.
Was that not a text book black card. Body checking the man after he played the ball
15 mins played Dublin 0-4 Kerry 0-3
Kerry getting away with a few frees here
Gough doing a job.
Gough kept Kerry in the 19 final and now again. Hes a ****
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 30, 2023, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2023, 03:45:15 PM
McCarthy would need to watch himself. Yellow coming.
Was that not a text book black card. Body checking the man after he played the ball
Thought exactly the same on that one.
Clifford very quiet.
Poor game.
Dublin pace on the counter attack/turn overs getting joy. 25 mins played Dublin 0-5 Kerry 0-3.
Poor enough game so far.
Should be further ahead.
3 yellow cards for the Dubs.
Quote from: Estimator on July 30, 2023, 03:51:27 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 30, 2023, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2023, 03:45:15 PM
McCarthy would need to watch himself. Yellow coming.
Was that not a text book black card. Body checking the man after he played the ball
Thought exactly the same on that one.
Black all day long in my humble opinion
Quote from: jcpen on July 30, 2023, 03:56:54 PM
Poor enough game so far.
Poor game alright. 2 very defensive teams
Quote from: jcpen on July 30, 2023, 03:56:54 PM
Poor enough game so far.
I'm enjoying. Great physicality and tackling.
V poor game so far. But because it's Dublin and Kerry that'll hardly be highlighted.
Derry/Tyrone v Monaghan would have been a better final.
Dour non-Ulster shite! ;)
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on July 30, 2023, 04:04:53 PM
V poor game so far. But because it's Dublin and Kerry that'll hardly be highlighted.
It's brutal, especially when you consider how good the hurling final was last week, especially the first half.
There's a goal.. might make second half more exciting
Half time Dublin 0-6 Kerry 1-4. Kerry goal just before the break, up to then a cagey affair thus far few of the forwards standing out or should i say allowed to stand out.
Borderline double bounce for the goal. Lucky to get away with it
Quote from: Nanderson on July 30, 2023, 04:10:03 PM
Borderline double bounce for the goal. Lucky to get away with it
He did well to get away with that!
Quote from: jcpen on July 30, 2023, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2023, 04:07:20 PM
Derry/Tyrone v Monaghan would have been a better final.
What's Tyrone got to do with anything
They were on the Kerry side of the draw.
Quote from: Nanderson on July 30, 2023, 04:10:03 PM
Borderline double bounce for the goal. Lucky to get away with it
Have to see it back but it looked an obvious double hop!
First goal Cluxton conceded in the championship for 13 games? Geaney made up for the goal miss early in the game.
Double bounce for sure from a different angle.
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
Double bounce for sure from a different angle.
Wasn't, he kicked ut up into his hand.
If this final doesn't push the GAA to make rule changes to this sport then it's dying a slow death.
It's a pity that this is the showpiece event for anyone new watching the sport..
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2023, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
Double bounce for sure from a different angle.
Wasn't, he kicked ut up into his hand.
The ball hit the ground a 2nd time. It was 2 bounces.
Quote from: jcpen on July 30, 2023, 04:16:59 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2023, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: jcpen on July 30, 2023, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2023, 04:07:20 PM
Derry/Tyrone v Monaghan would have been a better final.
What's Tyrone got to do with anything
They were on the Kerry side of the draw.
Didn't make the semi. Someone always has to mention Tyrone in threads that have nothing to do with them ;D
You highlighted them and then mentioned them again, outstanding sir! ;D
Bbc covering it up by Maurice deegan saying he didn't receive the ball back from the bounce and kicked it back up to himself. I'd sat if that happened in 99% of club games ref will blow it for a foul
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on July 30, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
If this final doesn't push the GAA to make rule changes to this sport then it's dying a slow death.
It's a pity that this is the showpiece event for anyone new watching the sport..
Dublin Mavericks v Kerry Cavaliers. The NBA would be proud
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2023, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
Double bounce for sure from a different angle.
Wasn't, he kicked ut up into his hand.
The ball hit the ground a 2nd time. It was 2 bounces.
He didn't catch it directly from it touching the ground.
A bounce is when you catch the ball directly after it hits the ground.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2023, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2023, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
Double bounce for sure from a different angle.
Wasn't, he kicked ut up into his hand.
The ball hit the ground a 2nd time. It was 2 bounces.
He didn't catch it directly from it touching the ground.
A bounce is when you catch the ball directly after it hits the ground.
Maurice Deegan on BBC explained this. Apparently you're right enough. One of the nuances of the rules.
Tyrone have representation in both TV studio panels.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2023, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
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Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
Double bounce for sure from a different angle.
Wasn't, he kicked ut up into his hand.
The ball hit the ground a 2nd time. It was 2 bounces.
He didn't catch it directly from it touching the ground.
A bounce is when you catch the ball directly after it hits the ground.
Exactly, it isn't the hitting of the ground but your catching it that is important.
If he dropped it and then kicked it that wouldn't be two bounces.
Con O'Callaghan goal chance crashes off the crossbar, Kerry score from the next attack, 42 mins played Kerry 1-6 Dublin 0-7
This is as bad the the 12 :08 Dublin v Kerry game a few years bck.
Both teams with 14 behind the ball, so it's not only Ulster Teams, Galway, Roscommon, Cork at it.
All square now, game on!
Proper "puke football", as an erstwhile practitioner of same might have opined!
Dublin goal level it up, awful goal for Kerry to give away on the turn over. 1-8 each 47 mins played.
Christ someone give gough a Kerry shirt
James McCarthy having a poor gane
Three Kerry points in a row after that goal. 1-11 to 1-8.
Kerry forwards playing well.
Dubs quite sloppy
Basquel from Boden scores a point.
Looked like tap over free for Kerry but over turned and Dublin level it up with the next attack 1-11 each 57 mins played.
Players get away with serious steps these days.
Did Boden pick it off the ground?
Clifford continues his steak of getting a yellow card nearly each game. No where near as innocent as the pundits suggest
Clifford missed a few he normally doesn't
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2023, 04:49:10 PM
Did Boden pick it off the ground?
Thought that as well
McCartney is the dumbest player I have ever seen. Wanna be hardman should be off the pitch with stupid tackles like that
He fond of the late hit on a unprotected player alright.
McCarthy lucky to be still on the pitch.
Bench impact and best fitness will win this game now if won on 70 mins. Still 1-11 each 62 mins played.
Paudie for Man of the Match.
66 mins played level again 1-12 each.
McCarthy probably should be on the line by this stage.
Paudie had to be taken off mccaffrey.
Agreed on McCarthy.
O'Callaghan has been very poor.
1-13 each. six minutes of added time to play.
Bad miss by Clifford there, too tight a angle. Lucky enough free little shirt tug.
Interesting turnover of the free kick for Clifford after the defense going bananas at the umpire. Not opposed to umpires getting involved more, but I'm not sure I've see. A ref turn over a free before like that.
Good hard game, reminds me of an Ulster final.
Been a defender's game really.
Dublin lead by 1 with two mins of added time to play.
Clifford missed 4 the day he normally score, Fitzsimmons done well, but Clifford should scored 6pts from Play. Why couldn't he done that in the semi
Poor choice of shot from David Clifford
Best ever? Don't think Peter Canavan would have missed that at crunch time.
I think the Dubs probably deserved that.
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 30, 2023, 05:08:05 PM
Best ever? Don't think Peter Canavan would have missed that at crunch time.
Agreed. Had a very poor day when it mattered the most.
Bad game. Canavan had them too.
Glad Dublin won as don't like Kerry. Honestly think mccaffrey coming on had massive bearing. Mannion motm.
As expected if you hold Clifford or as today, he has a off day then Kerry can be beat.
Congratulations to David Gough on his All-Ireland win.
That was nothing short of a disgrace.
James McCarthy must be a relative.
Why the f**k couldn't Clifford have played like that 2 weeks ago??
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 30, 2023, 05:08:05 PM
Best ever? Don't think Peter Canavan would have missed that at crunch time.
I know it's difficult to understand this. But Canavan did have bad games from time to time.
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 30, 2023, 05:08:05 PM
Best ever? Don't think Peter Canavan would have missed that at crunch time.
Typical Tyronie
FT Dublin 1-15 Kerry 1-13. 9 All Ireland medals for Cluxton,McCarthy and Fitzsimons. David Clifford unable to spark and giving away such a soft goal their down fall.
Oh look, the greatest player of all time went missing in a big game again 👀
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Congratulations to David Gough on his All-Ireland win.
That was nothing short of a disgrace.
James McCarthy must be a relative.
McCarthy should have walked!
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Congratulations to David Gough on his All-Ireland win.
That was nothing short of a disgrace.
James McCarthy must be a relative.
As a neutral thought he gave kerry most of the advantage however McCartney should have been black carded in the first half.
David Clifford missed 3 very scoreable points today. Still an unreal player just didn't happen for him today.
No coincidence Clifford was poor and Kerry lost. He has carried them all year.
Big day for 3 Dublin men. And Farrell's decision to bring back 3/4 players justified. Mannion / Cluxton adding 7 pts to their tally today.
Mcguigan championship top scorer??
The Dubs are back they never really went away.
Maybe, could be that he's a flat track bully.
G you Tyrone lads have issues.
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Congratulations to David Gough on his All-Ireland win.
That was nothing short of a disgrace.
James McCarthy must be a relative.
Catch yourself on. No horse in the race and thought Kerry got waaay more soft frees than Dublin
First time a division 2 team won All Ireland since ?
Thought Kerry would win with Tyrone's Paddy Tally in their back room team.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 30, 2023, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Congratulations to David Gough on his All-Ireland win.
That was nothing short of a disgrace.
James McCarthy must be a relative.
As a neutral thought he gave kerry most of the advantage however McCartney should have been black carded in the first half.
Who is this McCartney chap you keep talking about??
D Clifford completely flummoxed that Gough wasn't giving him everything, knocked him off his game.
McCarthy should have picked up 5 yellows
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 30, 2023, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Congratulations to David Gough on his All-Ireland win.
That was nothing short of a disgrace.
James McCarthy must be a relative.
As a neutral thought he gave kerry most of the advantage however McCarty should have been black carded in the first half.
As a neutral I wouldnt agree. Gough had a hand in at least three two point swings for Dublin.
Kerry werent allowed near McCaffrey in the tackle. Clifford wins a free and gets booked & McCarthy has at least three high tackles but gets booked for one?
Gough keeps Dublin in games and allows them to get away with breaking the rules constantly.
Gough reffed it badly but still felt the better team came out on top.
If Con O'Callaghan had played last season, this Kerry outfit would be still sitting on 0 AI's.
The money men win again, and Kerry badly exposed when D Clifford has an off day. Not a classic by any means but the weather didn't help.
Sad that Dublin win another, they are the best team though. Too much media hype about Kerry and other sides, Dublin will win 80% of All Irelands for the next 10 years again, and otherwise just close defeats in finals.
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Congratulations to David Gough on his All-Ireland win.
That was nothing short of a disgrace.
James McCarthy must be a relative.
Thought he gave Kerry two very soft scorable frees in second half and about to provide a 3rd before umpire overruled him. Best team won. Kerry were gone only for some brilliant defending kept them in it.
Quote from: Rudi on July 30, 2023, 05:14:10 PM
First time a division 2 team won All Ireland since ?
2002 Armagh.
McCarthy should have got a red. That aside gough did very well. Do forget arguably Kerry goal could have been disallowed.
Cluxton easily motm. Nailed every kick out, scored 2. Safe under the high ball. What more do you want.
I thought David Gough was absolutely superb today. He could have given McCarthy a walk, and he shouldn't have carded Mick Fitz (or Clifford). But he effectively fathered two big and committed teams into playing big and committed football.
If club (and county) teams across Ireland could actually hold their tempers and not respond to every challenge / decision with a desire to commit full force retribution, then we could see refereeing like this everywhere. And buy God would we have a better game to watch.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2023, 04:49:44 PM
Clifford missed a few he normally doesn't
A momentum killer
David Clifford not in top form today, which left Kerry a couple of points short.
However, the Kerry goal was not two bounces.
Gough was fine. Clifford was yellow carded because of the scuffles with Fitzsimons right after the foul.
McCarthy would have got red if he was from a smaller county. My sympathy for Kerry is limited, there is as usual too much hype about them. Take out Clifford are Kerry much better than Tyrone that won 2 years ago? Don't think so. And they both have the same to show for it, except very few were blustering about how good Tyrone are.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2023, 05:18:51 PM
I thought David Gough was absolutely superb today. He could have given McCarthy a walk, and he shouldn't have carded Mick Fitz (or Clifford). But he effectively fathered two big and committed teams into playing big and committed football.
If club (and county) teams across Ireland could actually hold their tempers and not respond to every challenge / decision with a desire to commit full force retribution, then we could see refereeing like this everywhere. And buy God would we have a better game to watch.
This.
Dessie put the band back together.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2023, 05:20:09 PM
Gough was fine. Clifford was yellow carded because of the scuffles with Fitzsimons right after the foul.
Fitzsimons is a magnificent defender. Dublin tackling and Kerry gifting turnovers were the difference in general play.
McCarthy should seen the line, had at least 2 yellow card and black card tackles alone, couldn't blame, Clifford, though playing poor he should still scored 6 from play. the other players round him have to stand up, P Clifford played well but struggled late on. Alot of players on both teams played bad, Fenton was poor again, Alot of Dublin lesser lights played well. Dessie Farrell a likable sort of guy who took some crap past 2 yrs so it good to see he come back. It be interesting to see if they go another year or will there be mass retirements after one last shot.First Team in over 20yrs to win from Division 2.They not bring that nugget up.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2023, 05:23:32 PM
Carthy should seen the line, had at least 2 yellow card and black card tackles alone, couldn't blame, Clifford, though playing poor he should still scored 6 from play. the other players round him have to stand up, P Clifford played well but struggled late on. Alot of players on both teams played bad, Fenton was poor again, Alot of Dublin lesser lights played well. Dessie Farrell a likable sort of guy who took some crap past 2 yrs so it good to see he come back. It be interesting to see if they go another year or will there be mass retirements after one last shot.First Team in over 20yrs to win from Division 2.They not bring that nugget up.
Have to disagree re Fenton. He was superb. Kicked some fine scores and his defending beat the end was solid.
Congratulations to the Dubs on another All Ireland, deserving winners.
It feels a bit like when Man City won the Champions League. I had to turn off the coverage, nauseating. We have to listen to the national/Dublin media trumpet it all, Dublin always the media darlings in every aspect of the running of this countre. Entire economy, services and media based there. Dominating GAA like everything else.
Kerry weren't brave enough. Too slow and lateral, especially in the first half, which was surprising. They'll really regret that performance.
Basquel had a very good second half.
Thought it was poor by RTE production team showing the Kerry team heading to the dressing rooms after the Cup presentation and speech. Lack of respect for players in their private moment.
Didn't see any performance there that will influence an all star.
Quote from: full moon on July 30, 2023, 05:16:33 PM
The money men win again, and Kerry badly exposed when D Clifford has an off day. Not a classic by any means but the weather didn't help.
Sad that Dublin win another, they are the best team though. Too much media hype about Kerry and other sides, Dublin will win 80% of All Irelands for the next 10 years again, and otherwise just close defeats in finals.
Nor sure about that, the guys they brought back were crucial. Remains to be seen if they can do without them.
Quote from: full moon on July 30, 2023, 05:27:45 PM
It feels a bit like when Man City won the Champions League. I had to turn off the coverage, nauseating. We have to listen to the national/Dublin media trumpet it all, Dublin always the media darlings in every aspect of the running of this countre. Entire economy, services and media based there. Dominating GAA like everything else.
You may just suck it up and not let it bother you as it's not going to change.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 05:33:01 PM
Didn't see any performance there that will influence an all star.
Paudie Clifford hands down best player on the pitch. Sealed All Star!
Dublin are going to drop off. They were better today but cluxton not going to be about forever and a few others likewise. Honestly think one or two more max and they're done.
Fitzsimmons will influence all star.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2023, 05:34:27 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 05:33:01 PM
Didn't see any performance there that will influence an all star.
Paudie Clifford hands down best player on the pitch. Sealed All Star!
I thought he was great in the first 40
Went missing in the last 30.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 05:36:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2023, 05:34:27 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 05:33:01 PM
Didn't see any performance there that will influence an all star.
Paudie Clifford hands down best player on the pitch. Sealed All Star!
I thought he was great in the first 40
Went missing in the last 30.
And in the whole semi final
Quote from: jcpen on July 30, 2023, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 30, 2023, 05:27:45 PM
It feels a bit like when Man City won the Champions League. I had to turn off the coverage, nauseating. We have to listen to the national/Dublin media trumpet it all, Dublin always the media darlings in every aspect of the running of this countre. Entire economy, services and media based there. Dominating GAA like everything else.
You may just suck it up and not let it bother you as it's not going to change.
I thought Dublin would win, Joe Brolly was correct in his assessment barring the score. I did hope Kerry would do it but once Clifford has an off day they are very beatable.
If that game had been played in Ulster it would have been a drab affair.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2023, 05:35:39 PM
Dublin are going to drop off. They were better today but cluxton not going to be about forever and a few others likewise. Honestly think one or two more max and they're done.
Fitzsimmons will influence all star.
even if they do drop off they still probably be semi final and quarter final level.
The calls for Clifford's claims for sainthood have suddenly gone very quiet! ;)
glad no replay was needed maybe media podcasts etc can move onto club championships now
Will be interesting to see does D Clifford make team of the year on the Sunday Game tonight. Thinking of Tony Kelly being turned down last week because of his poor performance in one match
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2023, 05:35:39 PM
Dublin are going to drop off. They were better today but cluxton not going to be about forever and a few others likewise. Honestly think one or two more max and they're done.
Ah come on we've been hearing that for 10 years. I'm sure they'll find another keeper Cluxton wasn't the winning or losing of the match. They aren't depending on a couple of players like nearly every other side.
Course he be on team of the yr, scored 2 from play, should had 6, and that playing crap. Only P Clifford and him be on it from Kerry.
Why was Clifford denied the 45 that the umpire adjudged before the ref overruled him?
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2023, 05:52:10 PM
Why was Clifford denied the 45 that the umpire adjudged before the ref overruled him?
Seemed to be a free for shoulder into back as fitz cleared it
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2023, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
Double bounce for sure from a different angle.
Wasn't, he kicked ut up into his hand.
The ball hit the ground a 2nd time. It was 2 bounces.
He didn't catch the second bounce. Kicked it back into his hands. No foul
Kerry need 2 wing forwards who can actually score plus a scoring threat from Midfield
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Quote from: Nanderson on July 30, 2023, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2023, 05:52:10 PM
Why was Clifford denied the 45 that the umpire adjudged before the ref overruled him?
Seemed to be a free for shoulder into back as fitz cleared it
Okay, seemed a natural coming together that didn't affect the course of the defensive clearance.
Didn't think it was a free.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
We beat that Kerry team in the AISF 2021, and we need to remine that mojo -- then, you can put ourselves in that bracket.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2023, 05:10:53 PM
Oh look, the greatest player of all time went missing in a big game again 👀
Which one? Niblock described all 30 players in that way ;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2023, 05:58:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
We beat that Kerry team in the AISF 2021, and we need to remine that mojo -- then, you can put ourselves in that bracket.
Two teams going in opposite directions
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street.
Couldn't find a Irish pub in London to watch the match?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
On the subject of rules Philly McMahon doesn't understand quite a few of them it would seem.
On the subject of cluxton Dublin would not have won that game without him. His ability to find men on his kick outs is second to none. Without him they'd not have won that game.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
On the subject of rules Philly McMahon doesn't understand quite a few of them it would seem.
On the subject of cluxton Dublin would not have won that game without him. His ability to find men on his kick outs is second to none. Without him they'd not have won that game.
Has Cluxton been playing goal at club level? So calm
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street.
Couldn't find a Irish pub in London to watch the match?
Between being the perfect husband/father and trying to get to Gatwick I managed to catch nearly all the game.. coverage was grand for the mobile!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Derry didn't push Kerry in the semi final?
if kerry v dublin final next year it will be very bad for the gaa
Quote from: Eire90 on July 30, 2023, 06:18:55 PM
if kerry v dublin final next year it will be very bad for the gaa
And why would that be?
Dublin thoroughly deserving winners, an intense game but after today and the semis I honestly don't think these pair are too far ahead of the next few in the field. Maybe I'm deluded but I might have a bet on Galway for Sam next year at this early stage. They are the only team not quoted on oddschecker there for 2024 when I looked, that's a sign!
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Derry didn't push Kerry in the semi final?
Derry, Galway and Mayo will all push them.
I think the best team won. I can't see the claims against Gough. In the first half, I felt he was giving Kerry the soft frees and reluctant to give Dublin frees as well as giving them a few soft yellows. Second half I didn't notice much either way, besides there should have been more time given after Rock's free.
The weather definitely didn't help the game.
Dublin showed they can still get there. They have cemented their position as the best team of all time, even if most have moved on. I wouldn't be quick to claim they won't win any more. They'll no doubt have more players to come through and the current crop will rise to carry the mantle.
There's no absolutely outstanding teams at the moment in my eyes, though I could just be being nostalgic. Tyrone, and Kerry were in the 00s. Dublin in the 2010s. This Kerry team have more to prove, I think.
Clifford, I think has too. He's almost certainly the best player in the country, but for the hype he gets he's not hitting the stratospheric levels of performance that would warrant it in my opinion. I've seen individual players who can win their own ball better, players who can beat a man easier, players who can pass better, players who could kick better or more outrageous points and players who could impose themselves on a big game better than David Clifford. That may be extremely harsh, which it is, but there's been a narrative since he was 17 that he's going to be the undisputed greatest of all time, but I would have expected an impact like Jonah Lomu or Messi etc. for that to be true. But, he may ascend there yet!
No harm to you hokeypokey, once you try to start naming those "individual players", you'll start to realise how daft that collection of statements is.
Who are these players out of interest, cause for ever one you mention am sure there's a defender out there who has kept them quite.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Derry didn't push Kerry in the semi final?
There's pushing a team and there's getting over the line against a team, beat either Kerry or Dublin next year and we can look at Derry being a team possibly winning. They've won Ulster twice and still no final
Quote from: Mario on July 30, 2023, 06:25:35 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Derry didn't push Kerry in the semi final?
Derry, Galway and Mayo will all push them.
Only way I see Galway or Derry reaching the All Ireland final next year is to avoid Kerry and Dublin in the Quarter final or semi final. Mayo aren't the level they were in 2013 to 2017 when they had the winning of a few All Ireland finals yet found ways to lose them.
It should be another Kerry v Dublin All Ireland in 2024 so long as they aren't paired together in the semi finals like they were last year. Thankfully as a neutral watching today's final it was a competitive contest and the match won with two scores in added time.
Good competitive game between easily the two best sides in the country. Dublin perhaps just deserved it
Ref was fine.
Still need a rule change to disincentivise defensive football
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2023, 06:33:48 PM
Who are these players out of interest, cause for ever one you mention am sure there's a defender out there who has kept them quite.
Canavan, Stephen O'Neill, D Connolly, Gooch, B Brogan, Sean Cavanagh, Brogan, Fenton, J McCarthy, Lee Keegan, McCaffrey. These are all I can think of off hand. I can't speak to other players that I haven't seen like F McGuigan, Sheehy, Spillane, Jack Ó Sé, Matt Connors, Maurice Fitz etc, but I'm sure they would have to be included. I'm not saying any of these are as good as him, but they are certainly ahead of him in certain areas. Obviously it's hard to judge with the levels of preparation that goes in nowadays as well too.
Do people think his one Celtic cross and not performing in some big contests makes him the stand out player of all time already?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Derry didn't push Kerry in the semi final?
There's pushing a team and there's getting over the line against a team, beat either Kerry or Dublin next year and we can look at Derry being a team possibly winning. They've won Ulster twice and still no final
Hang on, you said " nothing out there able to push these two"
Now you move the goal posts " there is pushing and able to get over the line".
Are you sure about anything?
Quote from: LeoMc on July 30, 2023, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 30, 2023, 06:18:55 PM
if kerry v dublin final next year it will be very bad for the gaa
And why would that be?
same teams playing each other and winning finals over and over people will just tune off
Every player you mentioned there. he's better than ever one, only Player I had ahead of him was Matt O'Connor, Jacko maybe as a all rounder. He not playing with much round him, just his brother, Seanie O'Shea hasn't turned into the stand out footballer I thought he be.
Derry , Galway , Armagh and mayo not too far away
Armagh or mayo not at this level at all
Peter Canavan was a great player but hadn't enough round him for a long time, had he not won 2 All-Ireland would that have changed my opinion of having him corner forward on the greatest team ever, No.
Quote from: naka on July 30, 2023, 07:18:22 PM
Derry , Galway , Armagh and mayo not too far away
Monaghan?
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 07:07:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Derry didn't push Kerry in the semi final?
There's pushing a team and there's getting over the line against a team, beat either Kerry or Dublin next year and we can look at Derry being a team possibly winning. They've won Ulster twice and still no final
Hang on, you said " nothing out there able to push these two"
Now you move the goal posts " there is pushing and able to get over the line".
Are you sure about anything?
If Derry knew were the goal posts where I'd be saying different.. again pushing and winning is not the same.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
I thought it was a great exhibition of tackling and defending. I think the weather and the way football is now with mass defences made it highly unlikely to be a footballing classic. On a dry day it could have been. I still enjoyed the tenseness, but there was too much safety passing, there were notably lulls in the crowd's noise. I was watching a bit of games from 20 years ago and it was mad how much it was just attacking and launching the ball forward.
I'd have to agree the narrative would be different if one of them or both were an Ulster team. I remember during the Kerry V Dublin match last year, they even complained about the Galway v Armagh match, from the previous day which they complained about all through, it while over egging that match as the best of all time. The hurling is great for promoting their product, there's too many cranky contrarians (though less so now with the auld boys gone) covering football pushing lazy narratives. RTE are paying for the rights, madness that they'd then pay someone to make the product look bad.
The goal was one of the few highlights in the 1st half but even in that half the goal covered the cracks of Kerry's poor shooting,shot selection and decision making. 2nd half was a much improved though the goal Kerry conceded was among the worst ever goals conceded in All Ireland final and came at a time that Kerry was 3 in front and looked in control. Jack O'Connor probably right when he said the energy they used to retake the lead after that goal cost them towards the end as Dublin had more in the legs.
David Clifford had more misses than scores which is very rare for him, his brother Paudie was Kerry's best forward today. Clearly the players that returned for Dublin made a big difference today and two of them Cluxton and Mannion contenders for MOTM. Seen one stat that Dublin scored 1-8 when left man on man while Dublin conceded just 0-1 from man on man defending. Defensively and not giving up many soft scores remains key to winning any All Ireland final.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 07:07:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 30, 2023, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Watched it on my phone while in London! National anthem blasting along Regent street. Dublin best team in first half Kerry edged the 3rd quarter and Dublins bench proving its worth, Kerry will be back next year and no reason why Dublin won't either, nothing out there able to push these two.
Again simple rule's confusing players ex managers current managers and sofa experts!
Derry didn't push Kerry in the semi final?
There's pushing a team and there's getting over the line against a team, beat either Kerry or Dublin next year and we can look at Derry being a team possibly winning. They've won Ulster twice and still no final
Hang on, you said " nothing out there able to push these two"
Now you move the goal posts " there is pushing and able to get over the line".
Are you sure about anything?
If Derry knew were the goal posts where I'd be saying different.. again pushing and winning is not the same.
Like i ssid, you moved your own goal posts.
Doesn't inspire me to pay you much heed.
Quote from: naka on July 30, 2023, 07:18:22 PM
Derry , Galway , Armagh and mayo not too far away
3 of those didn't even make the semi finals much less come close to winning it. Mayo got destroyed by Dublin and it wasn't competitive, how are they close to winning Sam.
Same stuff every single year and yet Dublin win every year nearly, bar the odd blip with Tyrone and Kerry nicking some. Derry are the next best but they do not have the levels of players Dublin or even Kerry have.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
It was at least interesting and competitive but definitely not a classic, I do think the weather sort of ruined that aspect.
There was a huge amount of handpassing but that is only highlighted when non Kerry/Dublin teams especially in Ulster do it.
Quote from: full moon on July 30, 2023, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: naka on July 30, 2023, 07:18:22 PM
Derry , Galway , Armagh and mayo not too far away
3 of those didn't even make the semi finals much less come close to winning it. Mayo got destroyed by Dublin and it wasn't competitive, how are they close to winning Sam.
Same stuff every single year and yet Dublin win every year nearly, bar the odd blip with Tyrone and Kerry nicking some. Derry are the next best but they do not have the levels of players Dublin or even Kerry have.
People are too quick to make sweeping judgements after one game. Mayo matched Dublin in the first half but goals change games. Galway were many people's favourites all year until Mayo scraped past them.
I reckon 8 or 9 Derry players would be in with a very good chance of starting the Kerry team. A few Dubs will probably retire and as we seen during the league their back ups aren't at the same level as the boys that came back.
Thought the game was fairly poor outside of a 10/15min spell in the 2nd half.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2023, 08:14:55 PM
Thought the game was fairly poor outside of a 10/15min spell on the, 2nd half.
Overall, a fair point, and God forbid that it were two Ulster teams serving that fare up! ;)
Quote from: Eire90 on July 30, 2023, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on July 30, 2023, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 30, 2023, 06:18:55 PM
if kerry v dublin final next year it will be very bad for the gaa
And why would that be?
same teams playing each other and winning finals over and over people will just tune off
Over and over, you mean twice?
Dublin v Mayo in 16&17 didn't turn people off. Meath v Cork in 87/88 didn't turn people off and Kerry v Dublin in the mid 70's is seen by some as the high point.
Shane McGuigan finished the championship top scorer with 2-52 (1 pen, 29fs and one mark) just ahead of David Clifford on 5-42 ( 2 pens, 18fs and three marks) the added time free against Kerry for McGuigan did count for something after all.
Top scorer from play Colm Basquel with 5-17 just ahead of David Clifford on 3-21
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 30, 2023, 08:20:40 PM
Shane McGuigan finished the championship top scorer with 2-52 (1 pen, 29fs and one mark) just ahead of David Clifford on 5-42 ( 2 pens, 18fs and three marks) the added time free against Kerry for McGuigan did count for something after all.
Top scorer from play Colm Basquel with 5-17 just ahead of David Clifford on 3-21
Is that provincial championships included? I'd like to see stats from start of group stage as Munster and Leinster was a procession for Kerry and the Dubs
Quote from: Mario on July 30, 2023, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 30, 2023, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: naka on July 30, 2023, 07:18:22 PM
Derry , Galway , Armagh and mayo not too far away
3 of those didn't even make the semi finals much less come close to winning it. Mayo got destroyed by Dublin and it wasn't competitive, how are they close to winning Sam.
Same stuff every single year and yet Dublin win every year nearly, bar the odd blip with Tyrone and Kerry nicking some. Derry are the next best but they do not have the levels of players Dublin or even Kerry have.
People are too quick to make sweeping judgements after one game. Mayo matched Dublin in the first half but goals change games. Galway were many people's favourites all year until Mayo scraped past them.
I reckon 8 or 9 Derry players would be in with a very good chance of starting the Kerry team. A few Dubs will probably retire and as we seen during the league their back ups aren't at the same level as the boys that came back.
Derry will be absolutely kicking themselves. They should heve been in the final. I felt they were the team that could trouble Dublin the most.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Clifford s
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2023, 07:40:58 PM
The goal was one of the few highlights in the 1st half but even in that half the goal covered the cracks of Kerry's poor shooting,shot selection and decision making. 2nd half was a much improved though the goal Kerry conceded was among the worst ever goals conceded in All Ireland final and came at a time that Kerry was 3 in front and looked in control. Jack O'Connor probably right when he said the energy they used to retake the lead after that goal cost them towards the end as Dublin had more in the legs.
David Clifford had more misses than scores which is very rare for him, his brother Paudie was Kerry's best forward today. Clearly the players that returned for Dublin made a big difference today and two of them Cluxton and Mannion contenders for MOTM. Seen one stat that Dublin scored 1-8 when left man on man while Dublin conceded just 0-1 from man on man defending. Defensively and not giving up many soft scores remains key to winning any All Ireland final.
A few times in the second half Clifford should have passed instead of going for the wonder score.
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Hope you weren't watching the BBC coverage today.
Quote from: Mario on July 30, 2023, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 30, 2023, 08:20:40 PM
Shane McGuigan finished the championship top scorer with 2-52 (1 pen, 29fs and one mark) just ahead of David Clifford on 5-42 ( 2 pens, 18fs and three marks) the added time free against Kerry for McGuigan did count for something after all.
Top scorer from play Colm Basquel with 5-17 just ahead of David Clifford on 3-21
Is that provincial championships included? I'd like to see stats from start of group stage as Munster and Leinster was a procession for Kerry and the Dubs
Yes included.
Quote from: marty34 on July 30, 2023, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Hope you weren't watching the BBC coverage today.
RTÉ all the way in our house!
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RTÉ all the way in our house!
Trumpeted like a badge of honour!? WTF?
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RTÉ all the way in our house!
Trumpeted like a badge of honour!? WTF?
It's more a signal issue than a preference Lad! Relax!
Watched a bit of it back there on tg4. Didn't notice as much the first time but Kilkenny had a huge influence on that game towards the end.
Who let fkn Marty Renault out in that pink jacket?
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Deserved because I feel they played better and their subs had more of an impact than the Kerry subs.
They also kept the best player of all time shackled.
I thought gough did a good job. All the big calls right. Yellows when deserved. Didn't miss any obvious blacks.
Prob a few mistakes for frees but not favouring any team.
So I'm not sure what game you watched..
If Clifford had played like that against derry, we'd have easily made the final.
In terms of coverage, I gave up on rte this year as pundits were poor and commentary just a rehashed cliche followed by another.
Bbc by far had much better standard of coverage all year.....until today.
What sort of sh*te was that?
The whole thing was geared for the dumb English viewer who had never seen gaelic football before.
Really annoying.
And Philly mcmahon couldn't be listened to.
The panel were a bit too "isn't this great" for my liking too.
All seemed geared for the UK audience and not the rest of us who watch all year.
Poor showing for the ai final imo.
It's simple , everybody has been saying the same thing for the past few years and we were proven right today
Take D Clifford out of that Kerry team and they have very little firepower and rely on individual brilliance to get scores.
If he has an off day / isn't playing, they're ordinary
The defences were brilliant today but that's as soft an all Ireland as I've seen in a long time
Feels like Sam is there for the taking. Dublin and Kerry are by no means way ahead of the rest,
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Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Deserved because I feel they played better and their subs had more of an impact than the Kerry subs.
They also kept the best player of all time shackled.
I thought gough did a good job. All the big calls right. Yellows when deserved. Didn't miss any obvious blacks.
Prob a few mistakes for frees but not favouring any team.
So I'm not sure what game you watched..
If Clifford had played like that against derry, we'd have easily made the final.
I watched the game were James McCarthy gave away blatant free after blatant free yet went unpunished in terms of the rules of the game. I watched the game were the same player made deliberate contact with opponents faces on multiple plays yet somehow only managed to end with a single yellow card.
I watched from the Hogan as Clifford was dragged and fouled all day yet the one time he is awareded a free inside he is also booked.
Gough won it for The Dubs & was more blatantly obvious than previous years. Its not a level playing field when you get Dublin in the latter stages.
The tradition of playing All Ireland Minor finals before senior finals replaced by a bit of music. The Stunning today in front of empty Croke Park.
(https://i.ibb.co/qW7xkxH/the-stunning.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qW7xkxH)
You look back at some of the last few points. Fenton went almost unopposed from front to back , and did this twice in the game, to score a point. Mannion, who was great, had significant space for some of his points. Kerry did really well in the full back line but round the 45ish area they gave up significant space. Those are the things that beat you not the ref. You are one of very very few complaining about the ref.
Most of dublins main forwards didn't fire and they still found scores from elsewhere. O'Callaghan was well shackled and Costello non existent really yet there was enough depth elsewhere on the field. Add to that dublin outscored kerry 7-2 in the last twenty really the better team won.
Mcccarthy could have seen red but tbh I thought in the first half Dublin should have had more complaints than Kerry.
Wouldn't say the ref won the game for, Dublin, Clifford been off was the big difference plus Geaney not taking a pass and return for the first goal attempt effort. He's def responsible for not showing Mccarthy the line, McKeigue got yellow carded after 2 pulling fouls, McCarthy done about 3 head high yellow card offences and a blocking one given as a free which didn't result in a black card. So Gough badly at fault for letting that go
Mannion or Cluxton be man of the match.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
The tradition of playing All Ireland Minor finals before senior finals replaced by a bit of music. The Stunning today in front of empty Croke Park.
(https://i.ibb.co/qW7xkxH/the-stunning.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qW7xkxH)
The 90% of 14,000 plus who wouldn't have got to see their teams in the Minor Final just might not give a tupenny damn.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 09:24:55 PM
In terms of coverage, I gave up on rte this year as pundits were poor and commentary just a rehashed cliche followed by another.
Bbc by far had much better standard of coverage all year.....until today.
What sort of sh*te was that?
The whole thing was geared for the dumb English viewer who had never seen gaelic football before.
Really annoying.
And Philly mcmahon couldn't be listened to.
The panel were a bit too "isn't this great" for my liking too.
All seemed geared for the UK audience and not the rest of us who watch all year.
Poor showing for the ai final imo.
I agree with you there. We heard more today from Dara O'B, Patrick Kielty and yer man who done all the riding in Normal people than we did from Harte Oisin and Murphy , who are quite entertaining. And at every opportunity it was, the goalkeeper, he's an accountant ... he'll be back to work tomorrow , the full forward , he's a bus driver , he'll be at work in the morning (might need to breathalyse him though).
Was a shame , because their semi finals coverage and hurling final coverage , was excellent. And to be honest , I doubt there were many British people watching , so all the pandering was for very little.
I blame dion Dublin.
Very nervy and average final... maybe Derry would have been the same but very disappointed after that.
Brolly reckons Shane McGuigan wouldn't have got in the Dublin FF line... they scored 2 points from play today!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
The tradition of playing All Ireland Minor finals before senior finals replaced by a bit of music. The Stunning today in front of empty Croke Park.
(https://i.ibb.co/qW7xkxH/the-stunning.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qW7xkxH)
I'd like to see the ladies final on the same day. This ear would have been ideal if they had lined it up.
What was on before this game today? E80/90 euro for 1 game ridiculous, even if there was a minor game on before it.
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
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Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Deserved because I feel they played better and their subs had more of an impact than the Kerry subs.
They also kept the best player of all time shackled.
I thought gough did a good job. All the big calls right. Yellows when deserved. Didn't miss any obvious blacks.
Prob a few mistakes for frees but not favouring any team.
So I'm not sure what game you watched..
If Clifford had played like that against derry, we'd have easily made the final.
I watched the game were James McCarthy gave away blatant free after blatant free yet went unpunished in terms of the rules of the game. I watched the game were the same player made deliberate contact with opponents faces on multiple plays yet somehow only managed to end with a single yellow card.
I watched from the Hogan as Clifford was dragged and fouled all day yet the one time he is awareded a free inside he is also booked.
Gough won it for The Dubs & was more blatantly obvious than previous years. Its not a level playing field when you get Dublin in the latter stages.
I think you've got kerry blinkers on there chap, no harm.
I've no skin in the game, there was as much from one side as there was the other.
Kerry are hardly shrinking violets, look what the did to Shane mcguigan in the sf for example. They also had a very favorable ref in the sf. But the ref didn't win the game for them against derry and he didn't win it for Dublin today either.
The losing of the game was a mistake that led to a Dublin goal, Clifford missing a number of scorable kicks and not passing when he should have and kerry not pushing on when they were 3 up.
I'll not argue about Dublin having an unfair advantage every year, every game a home game and arguably more finance than every other county and certainly a larger pick than every other county.
But it's still 15 v15 on the field.
Kerry have a handy run every year to a qf or sf, so it's a bit rich to hear about Dublin having advantages over kerry. Lol.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
The tradition of playing All Ireland Minor finals before senior finals replaced by a bit of music. The Stunning today in front of empty Croke Park.
(https://i.ibb.co/qW7xkxH/the-stunning.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qW7xkxH)
I'd like to see the ladies final on the same day. This ear would have been ideal if they had lined it up.
No - Ladies Finals Day is Ladies Finals Day. Senior, Intermediate and Junior. It's the day to celebrate Ladies Football and does not need to be diluted by the Mens game.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 09:24:55 PM
In terms of coverage, I gave up on rte this year as pundits were poor and commentary just a rehashed cliche followed by another.
Bbc by far had much better standard of coverage all year.....until today.
What sort of sh*te was that?
The whole thing was geared for the dumb English viewer who had never seen gaelic football before.
Really annoying.
And Philly mcmahon couldn't be listened to.
The panel were a bit too "isn't this great" for my liking too.
All seemed geared for the UK audience and not the rest of us who watch all year.
Poor showing for the ai final imo.
Switched over to RTE for the 2nd half. Ridiculous what BBC was at in the build up to the match and during it.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Deserved because I feel they played better and their subs had more of an impact than the Kerry subs.
They also kept the best player of all time shackled.
I thought gough did a good job. All the big calls right. Yellows when deserved. Didn't miss any obvious blacks.
Prob a few mistakes for frees but not favouring any team.
So I'm not sure what game you watched..
If Clifford had played like that against derry, we'd have easily made the final.
I watched the game were James McCarthy gave away blatant free after blatant free yet went unpunished in terms of the rules of the game. I watched the game were the same player made deliberate contact with opponents faces on multiple plays yet somehow only managed to end with a single yellow card.
I watched from the Hogan as Clifford was dragged and fouled all day yet the one time he is awareded a free inside he is also booked.
Gough won it for The Dubs & was more blatantly obvious than previous years. Its not a level playing field when you get Dublin in the latter stages.
I think you've got kerry blinkers on there chap, no harm.
I've no skin in the game, there was as much from one side as there was the other.
Kerry are hardly shrinking violets, look what the did to Shane mcguigan in the sf for example. They also had a very favorable ref in the sf. But the ref didn't win the game for them against derry and he didn't win it for Dublin today either.
The losing of the game was a mistake that led to a Dublin goal, Clifford missing a number of scorable kicks and not passing when he should have and kerry not pushing on when they were 3 up.
I'll not argue about Dublin having an unfair advantage every year, every game a home game and arguably more finance than every other county and certainly a larger pick than every other county.
But it's still 15 v15 on the field.
Kerry have a handy run every year to a qf or sf, so it's a bit rich to hear about Dublin having advantages over kerry. Lol.
So your counter argument is to bring up decisions and a Ref in a previous game "Chap"?
If you think McCarthy was not favourably allowed to remain on the field of play in contradition of the rules of the game then you are the one with blinkers on.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on July 30, 2023, 09:27:03 PM
It's simple , everybody has been saying the same thing for the past few years and we were proven right today
Take D Clifford out of that Kerry team and they have very little firepower and rely on individual brilliance to get scores.
If he has an off day / isn't playing, they're ordinary
The defences were brilliant today but that's as soft an all Ireland as I've seen in a long time
Feels like Sam is there for the taking. Dublin and Kerry are by no means way ahead of the rest,
Take any, any marquee forward from a team or reduce him to 6 points and you won't do well.. why anyone thinks differently is delusional
Quote from: screenexile on July 30, 2023, 09:59:16 PM
Very nervy and average final... maybe Derry would have been the same but very disappointed after that.
Brolly reckons Shane McGuigan wouldn't have got in the Dublin FF line... they scored 2 points from play today!
Mcguigan has had a better year than any forward on the pitch today bar Clifford. It's laughable to think he wouldn't be starting on either team today.
Gough was seriously consistent.
McCarthy could have walked.
But giving Clifford and Fitzsimmons both yellow cards for nothingness was more than an equaliser. The gun forward of all time entering the final 10 mins knowing he's one possession away from his marker being sent off.
Add it up.
Blaming a ref for anything today is beyond sour.
I suppose if Clifford was in another top 8 team they be well in with a shout to.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2023, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on July 30, 2023, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
The tradition of playing All Ireland Minor finals before senior finals replaced by a bit of music. The Stunning today in front of empty Croke Park.
(https://i.ibb.co/qW7xkxH/the-stunning.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qW7xkxH)
I'd like to see the ladies final on the same day. This ear would have been ideal if they had lined it up.
No - Ladies Finals Day is Ladies Finals Day. Senior, Intermediate and Junior. It's the day to celebrate Ladies Football and does not need to be diluted by the Mens game.
Would be interesting to get a take on it from a female intercounty player. I was at ladies final day a few years back and found it too long with the 3 matches. Could do senior with the men's. Those finals are usually cracking games too. I'd like to see it if there was an appetite from the ladies themselves.
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Quote from: Whishtup on July 30, 2023, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
The tradition of playing All Ireland Minor finals before senior finals replaced by a bit of music. The Stunning today in front of empty Croke Park.
(https://i.ibb.co/qW7xkxH/the-stunning.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qW7xkxH)
I'd like to see the ladies final on the same day. This ear would have been ideal if they had lined it up.
No - Ladies Finals Day is Ladies Finals Day. Senior, Intermediate and Junior. It's the day to celebrate Ladies Football and does not need to be diluted by the Mens game.
Would be interesting to get a take on it from a female intercounty player. I was at ladies final day a few years back and found it too long with the 3 matches. Could do senior with the men's. Those finals are usually cracking games too. I'd like to see it if there was an appetite from the ladies themselves.
There is a transient audience on Ladies All Ireland Finals day. Fans are coming and going. You take away the Senior Final and the other Finals fall on their face and there is no Intermediate or Junior Finals in Croke Park.
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Deserved because I feel they played better and their subs had more of an impact than the Kerry subs.
They also kept the best player of all time shackled.
I thought gough did a good job. All the big calls right. Yellows when deserved. Didn't miss any obvious blacks.
Prob a few mistakes for frees but not favouring any team.
So I'm not sure what game you watched..
If Clifford had played like that against derry, we'd have easily made the final.
I watched the game were James McCarthy gave away blatant free after blatant free yet went unpunished in terms of the rules of the game. I watched the game were the same player made deliberate contact with opponents faces on multiple plays yet somehow only managed to end with a single yellow card.
I watched from the Hogan as Clifford was dragged and fouled all day yet the one time he is awareded a free inside he is also booked.
Gough won it for The Dubs & was more blatantly obvious than previous years. Its not a level playing field when you get Dublin in the latter stages.
Afraid not. David Clifford made many more mistakes than Gough.
Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 10:20:52 PM
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Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
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Quote from: guevara on July 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
On balance, Dublin deserved to win that game.
Clifford really didn't have his best game but still set up the goal.
Personally I thought it was an average enough game in terms of quality.
If it had been 2 ulster teams serving up that match the state of gaelic football is probably the only thing that would be mentioned.
It was exciting in terms of how close it was, but it was a game of 2 defences in my view. Both defences did really well and the turnovers at both ends supports that.
But in terms of attacking flair, I thought it was quite flat.
Some achievement for the dubs, 9 ai medals is unbelievable.
How did Dublin "deserve" to win exactly? Kerry were wasteful yes but if your telling me David Gough did not have influence over that 2 point margin then we must have watched different games.
People give off about The JP McManus money in Limerick! Dublin have benefited from favoutism from The GAA for years before you even take into account that their "in house" referee just also happens to be the All-Ireland Final Ref? As a neutral it's embarassing that we as an organisation look down upon other sporting codes & claim some sort of Amateur Sporting superiority.
Dublin have had more than a helping hand from headquarters in recent years.
Deserved because I feel they played better and their subs had more of an impact than the Kerry subs.
They also kept the best player of all time shackled.
I thought gough did a good job. All the big calls right. Yellows when deserved. Didn't miss any obvious blacks.
Prob a few mistakes for frees but not favouring any team.
So I'm not sure what game you watched..
If Clifford had played like that against derry, we'd have easily made the final.
I watched the game were James McCarthy gave away blatant free after blatant free yet went unpunished in terms of the rules of the game. I watched the game were the same player made deliberate contact with opponents faces on multiple plays yet somehow only managed to end with a single yellow card.
I watched from the Hogan as Clifford was dragged and fouled all day yet the one time he is awareded a free inside he is also booked.
Gough won it for The Dubs & was more blatantly obvious than previous years. Its not a level playing field when you get Dublin in the latter stages.
I think you've got kerry blinkers on there chap, no harm.
I've no skin in the game, there was as much from one side as there was the other.
Kerry are hardly shrinking violets, look what the did to Shane mcguigan in the sf for example. They also had a very favorable ref in the sf. But the ref didn't win the game for them against derry and he didn't win it for Dublin today either.
The losing of the game was a mistake that led to a Dublin goal, Clifford missing a number of scorable kicks and not passing when he should have and kerry not pushing on when they were 3 up.
I'll not argue about Dublin having an unfair advantage every year, every game a home game and arguably more finance than every other county and certainly a larger pick than every other county.
But it's still 15 v15 on the field.
Kerry have a handy run every year to a qf or sf, so it's a bit rich to hear about Dublin having advantages over kerry. Lol.
So your counter argument is to bring up decisions and a Ref in a previous game "Chap"?
If you think McCarthy was not favourably allowed to remain on the field of play in contradition of the rules of the game then you are the one with blinkers on.
Chill out chap.
Mccarthy could have got the line for persistent fouling, but kerry play on the line are just as guilty of similar rough house tactics so sometimes you have to take your medicine.
Kerry lost that game on their own and will feel they left enough opportunities behind them to have won it.
Dublin played better, subs had more of an impact and they took more of the opportunities for scores. Heard a stat that kerry hit 9 from 19 at some point. Can't blame the ref for that.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 30, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
The tradition of playing All Ireland Minor finals before senior finals replaced by a bit of music. The Stunning today in front of empty Croke Park.
(https://i.ibb.co/qW7xkxH/the-stunning.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qW7xkxH)
I'd like to see the ladies final on the same day. This ear would have been ideal if they had lined it up.
No - Ladies Finals Day is Ladies Finals Day. Senior, Intermediate and Junior. It's the day to celebrate Ladies Football and does not need to be diluted by the Mens game.
Would be interesting to get a take on it from a female intercounty player. I was at ladies final day a few years back and found it too long with the 3 matches. Could do senior with the men's. Those finals are usually cracking games too. I'd like to see it if there was an appetite from the ladies themselves.
There is a transient audience on Ladies All Ireland Finals day. Fans are coming and going. You take away the Senior Final and the other Finals fall on their face and there is no Intermediate or Junior Finals in Croke Park.
Good point.Could maybe backfill with minors or tailteann final. Probably never happen but I like the idea of it.
Mentioned on the Sunday game tonight that today was the first All Ireland senior final Cormac Costello started. Paul Mannion named man of the match
'Twas no spectacle for the neutral, but the Dubs won't care for that.
They (the Dubs) have done the necessary, and that Kerry team have proved that they're really nothing special. Sin é, no All-Irelands-in-a-row to be dispensed today.
Try to objectively compare the like-for-like performances of Mannion and Clifford today; what they contributed, what they missed, what they did right, what they did wrong... and there's next to nothing in it.
Yet One of them has just been given MOTM and the other is being questioned for his ability on the big day.
Clifford is always going to be measured differently. That's the burden of greatness.
But it's still not right.
That was a defender's day. In every possible way. It should have been a defender MOTM.
I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
Had a pain in my head listening to the Paul Flynn + Jackie Hurley love in there on the Sunday Game.
And I wanted Dublin to win!
The huge cringe moment was when Paul and Jackie sang the praises of John Costello and Paul told us how other counties could learn from this model! ;D
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on July 30, 2023, 11:24:32 PM
I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
Scored a point, a
nd had the assist for the goal.
[As per below, I'm wrong on this one]
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on July 30, 2023, 11:24:32 PM
I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
Scored a point, and had the assist for the goal.
Had he?!
Basquel did all the hard work for it either way.
Jesus it's hard to be happy for them if they can't be happy for themselves. Them interviews. Holy god.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2023, 11:18:20 PM
Try to objectively compare the like-for-like performances of Mannion and Clifford today; what they contributed, what they missed, what they did right, what they did wrong... and there's next to nothing in it.
Yet One of them has just been given MOTM and the other is being questioned for his ability on the big day.
Clifford is always going to be measured differently. That's the burden of greatness.
But it's still not right.
That was a defender's day. In every possible way. It should have been a defender MOTM.
Seriously, one was the of main reasons Dublin won, the other was one of the main reasons Kerry lost.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 30, 2023, 11:41:01 PM
Jesus it's hard to be happy for them if they can't be happy for themselves. Them interviews. Holy god.
In fairness Mannion and McCafferey were understandably uncomfortable when interviewed. Both have taken sabbaticals, and you could see the awkwardness of Mannion receiving MOTM award. Cluxton, was Cluxton. He hates the interview BS stuff. I like him more for that reason.
The questions to Fitzgibbon and McCarthy asking them to talk up each other where a hard listen also.
To be fair all also seemed a little tipsy and were trying to be extra careful because of this.
Quote from: Sonny Joe on July 30, 2023, 11:44:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2023, 11:18:20 PM
Try to objectively compare the like-for-like performances of Mannion and Clifford today; what they contributed, what they missed, what they did right, what they did wrong... and there's next to nothing in it.
Yet One of them has just been given MOTM and the other is being questioned for his ability on the big day.
Clifford is always going to be measured differently. That's the burden of greatness.
But it's still not right.
That was a defender's day. In every possible way. It should have been a defender MOTM.
Seriously, one was the of main reasons Dublin won, the other was one of the main reasons Kerry lost.
Honestly I think this is a lazy narrative.
Mannion didn't drive Dublin forward. He wasn't a ball winner, wasn't incessant. And he made a few mistakes. But he did - to his absolute credit - put himself in the right positions, and he kicked crucial scores. I'd call it a 7/10 performance. Maybe a bonus 7.5 out of 10 for kicking the difficult point.
Clifford did show. He did win ball. He drove when he could. But his mistakes were magnified somewhat by fact that he's David Clifford and we expect perfection. He had around a 6/10 game. But had a more normal player - let's say Ryan O'Donaghue - kept showing and trying like that, he'd likely be remarked on for his willingness and effort, to a 7/10.
Honestly there wasn't much between their performance levels today. They're just marked differently.
Can't understand what they didn't man mark Fenton, Barry always on top of him, previous. Mannion got alot of room leading to easy scores.
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Can't understand what they didn't man mark Fenton, Barry always on top of him, previous. Mannion got alot of room leading to easy scores.
There was too much going on elsewhere -- that's what happens with better teams.
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Try to objectively compare the like-for-like performances of Mannion and Clifford today; what they contributed, what they missed, what they did right, what they did wrong... and there's next to nothing in it.
Yet One of them has just been given MOTM and the other is being questioned for his ability on the big day.
Clifford is always going to be measured differently. That's the burden of greatness.
But it's still not right.
That was a defender's day. In every possible way. It should have been a defender MOTM.
Seriously, one was the of main reasons Dublin won, the other was one of the main reasons Kerry lost.
Honestly I think this is a lazy narrative.
Mannion didn't drive Dublin forward. He wasn't a ball winner, wasn't incessant. And he made a few mistakes. But he did - to his absolute credit - put himself in the right positions, and he kicked crucial scores. I'd call it a 7/10 performance. Maybe a bonus 7.5 out of 10 for kicking the difficult point.
Clifford did show. He did win ball. He drove when he could. But his mistakes were magnified somewhat by fact that he's David Clifford and we expect perfection. He had around a 6/10 game. But had a more normal player - let's say Ryan O'Donaghue - kept showing and trying like that, he'd likely be remarked on for his willingness and effort, to a 7/10.
Honestly there wasn't much between their performance levels today. They're just marked differently.
Mannion scored what 5 points from 6 or 7 attempts? most of his scores came at important stages in the game, it was his best performance for Dublin this year and I'd give him 8/10.
Don't think Fitzsimons marked Clifford overly well. Scored 0-2 from play off him and set up the goal and on another day would have scored another 4 or 5 points from play if it wasn't for his wayward shooting and decision making.
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Jesus it's hard to be happy for them if they can't be happy for themselves. Them interviews. Holy god.
In fairness Mannion and McCafferey were understandably uncomfortable when interviewed. Both have taken sabbaticals, and you could see the awkwardness of Mannion receiving MOTM award. Cluxton, was Cluxton. He hates the interview BS stuff. I like him more for that reason.
The questions to Fitzgibbon and McCarthy asking them to talk up each other where a hard listen also.
To be fair all also seemed a little tipsy and were trying to be extra careful because of this.
The two hard years crap too. Like seriously.
Clifford got enough room to score 6 from play, a few misses were bad ones for even a normal player. Had he scored all, we be saying Fitzsimmons got destroyed.
Seemed bizarre that Kerry didn't press Dublins kick outs more, I'll have to watch the match again but I felt all through the game that Kerry weren't brave / risky enough, e.g., O'Brien on a good few occasions was free and either Moynihan or P Clifford didn't make the pass. Have to feel for Gavin White as well, a clean sheet may have been enough for Kerry to win, fine margins again .
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Clifford got enough room to score 6 from play, a few misses were bad ones for even a normal player. Had he scored all, we be saying Fitzsimmons got destroyed.
Watching it back now, and yeah, he missed some you would expect him to score, but a number of his misses (wides/shots dropping short) were from out on the sidelines, where he was well marshalled by Fitzsimmons.
Enjoyable good tough game. Was hoping Kerry win but ultimately they couldn't get the scores and coughed up the ball too often.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on July 30, 2023, 11:24:32 PM
I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Clifford looked absolutely knackered with 20 minutes remaining. His off the ball movement was poor and he didn't produce it on the biggest day so I'm not sure where this narrative that he played as well as Mannion is coming from. I dont even think it was down to great defending from Fitzsimmons or Byrne but it proved again that Kerry are much too reliant on one player and if he doesn't produce the goods then you have a good chance of beating them.
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Clifford looked absolutely knackered with 20 minutes remaining. His off the ball movement was poor and he didn't produce it on the biggest day so I'm not sure where this narrative that he played as well as Mannion is coming from. I dont even think it was down to great defending from Fitzsimmons or Byrne but it proved again that Kerry are much too reliant on one player and if he doesn't produce the goods then you have a good chance of beating them.
Unless you are Tyrone
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Clifford looked absolutely knackered with 20 minutes remaining. His off the ball movement was poor and he didn't produce it on the biggest day so I'm not sure where this narrative that he played as well as Mannion is coming from. I dont even think it was down to great defending from Fitzsimmons or Byrne but it proved again that Kerry are much too reliant on one player and if he doesn't produce the goods then you have a good chance of beating them.
Unless you are Tyrone
That's true, they were so poor that they took Clifford out of the game in the quarter final yet still managed to lose by double digits.
I think the narrative about Kerry being overly reliant on D Clifford is overplayed.
Sean O'shea, P Clifford and Geaney all had good games yesterday and contributed scores and from open play.
Certainly as much as the Dublin FF line did.
As somoene else pointed out, Clifford was also marked out of it the Tyrone game (or was it a bad performance too?), but the rest of the supporting cast ensured a hammering of Tyrone.
Against Derry, Clifford put a masterclass against Derry and had he played like he did yesterday, I believe Derry would have won comfortably.
So it's not as clear cut as people are making out. He's undoubtedly very important to Kerry and a class footballer, but I still think Kerry have other classy forwards. As always though, you need everything to click to win an AI, and with Clifford not at full tilt this ultimately cost Kerry.
A poor enough game to be honest in terms of attacking quality. Very defensive, some brilliant tackling from both teams made it a tense affair but the whole game felt flat, the two goals being the only real stand out moments of real excitement.
Cluxton's first 45 and Fenton's point in the second half were savage psychological blows landed by Dublin. As if to say here go again, we're as good as ever and you know that only means one outcome.
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I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Exactly. Name another team in history that could afford to use Jack McCaffrey from the bench. Impossible.
I actually thought Lee Gannon was doing decent enough at times. Yellow card, substituted. Ruthless because they can be with that strength in depth.
What's tiring is people thinking that other teams are close to Dublin when they are a million miles away from that depth. They will almost certainly be in the final nearly every year for the next decade again. Too strong.
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I think the narrative about Kerry being overly reliant on D Clifford is overplayed.
Sean O'shea, P Clifford and Geaney all had good games yesterday and contributed scores and from open play.
Certainly as much as the Dublin FF line did.
As somoene else pointed out, Clifford was also marked out of it the Tyrone game (or was it a bad performance too?), but the rest of the supporting cast ensured a hammering of Tyrone.
Against Derry, Clifford put a masterclass against Derry and had he played like he did yesterday, I believe Derry would have won comfortably.
So it's not as clear cut as people are making out. He's undoubtedly very important to Kerry and a class footballer, but I still think Kerry have other classy forwards. As always though, you need everything to click to win an AI, and with Clifford not at full tilt this ultimately cost Kerry.
A poor enough game to be honest in terms of attacking quality. Very defensive, some brilliant tackling from both teams made it a tense affair but the whole game felt flat, the two goals being the only real stand out moments of real excitement.
I thought David Clifford was decent enough yesterday. Scored a few, set up the goal with a great pass and got on ball.
The only thing he was missing was his shooting boots...but not by much. Another few inches and he could have had 5 or 6 pts from play.
Outwith Mannion, there was no standout player yesterday so that's good for other counties looking for All-Stars. Keeps it open in that way.
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I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Exactly. Name another team in history that could afford to use Jack McCaffrey from the bench. Impossible.
I actually thought Lee Gannon was doing decent enough at times. Yellow card, substituted. Ruthless because they can be with that strength in depth.
What's tiring is people thinking that other teams are close to Dublin when they are a million miles away from that depth. They will almost certainly be in the final nearly every year for the next decade again. Too strong.
Name the players coming through who will be replacing the likes of Cluxton, Rock, Mannion, Mccarthy etc to keep Dublin in final after final for the next decade?
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David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
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Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
Clifford will easily score more than 4 in the final.
This didn't age well
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I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Exactly. Name another team in history that could afford to use Jack McCaffrey from the bench. Impossible.
I actually thought Lee Gannon was doing decent enough at times. Yellow card, substituted. Ruthless because they can be with that strength in depth.
What's tiring is people thinking that other teams are close to Dublin when they are a million miles away from that depth. They will almost certainly be in the final nearly every year for the next decade again. Too strong.
Name the players coming through who will be replacing the likes of Cluxton, Rock, Mannion, Mccarthy etc to keep Dublin in final after final for the next decade?
Dean Rock has been a bit part player in recent times, he's barely playing as is. Mannion and Cluxton, both of whom have not played in recent years. Cluxton is probably the greatest keeper ever and was missing for the previous 2.5 years.
Are people not forgetting who replaced Philly McMahon, Bernard Brogan, Alan Brogan, Michael Darragh McCauley, Cian O'Sullivan, Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn, Johnny Cooper, Kevin McManamon etc?
Thats a list of just some of the players they lost in recent times, some of the best players ever and they haven't lost a step. What we have is people and media hoping they fall back to stop the domination.
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I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Exactly. Name another team in history that could afford to use Jack McCaffrey from the bench. Impossible.
I actually thought Lee Gannon was doing decent enough at times. Yellow card, substituted. Ruthless because they can be with that strength in depth.
What's tiring is people thinking that other teams are close to Dublin when they are a million miles away from that depth. They will almost certainly be in the final nearly every year for the next decade again. Too strong.
I agree. It's the greatest challenge to our game ; I admire the Dubs, and especially their players, but the contest has become totally unfair. We're a nation of romantics but 21 and 22 were an aberration , and it will become the exception for Dublin not to be in the final. I also admire Oisin McConville as a pundit but he got it wrong by stating on numerous occasions this year that Dublin wouldn't win it.
On a separate note I think David Gough was man of the match.
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on July 30, 2023, 11:24:32 PM
I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Exactly. Name another team in history that could afford to use Jack McCaffrey from the bench. Impossible.
I actually thought Lee Gannon was doing decent enough at times. Yellow card, substituted. Ruthless because they can be with that strength in depth.
What's tiring is people thinking that other teams are close to Dublin when they are a million miles away from that depth. They will almost certainly be in the final nearly every year for the next decade again. Too strong.
Name the players coming through who will be replacing the likes of Cluxton, Rock, Mannion, Mccarthy etc to keep Dublin in final after final for the next decade?
Dean Rock has been a bit part player in recent times, he's barely playing as is. Mannion and Cluxton, both of whom have not played in recent years. Cluxton is probably the greatest keeper ever and was missing for the previous 2.5 years.
Are people not forgetting who replaced Philly McMahon, Bernard Brogan, Alan Brogan, Michael Darragh McCauley, Cian O'Sullivan, Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn, Johnny Cooper, Kevin McManamon etc?
Thats a list of just some of the players they lost in recent times, some of the best players ever and they haven't lost a step. What we have is people and media hoping they fall back to stop the domination.
You've pretty much done my next reply for me there
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I didn’t even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Exactly. Name another team in history that could afford to use Jack McCaffrey from the bench. Impossible.
I actually thought Lee Gannon was doing decent enough at times. Yellow card, substituted. Ruthless because they can be with that strength in depth.
What's tiring is people thinking that other teams are close to Dublin when they are a million miles away from that depth. They will almost certainly be in the final nearly every year for the next decade again. Too strong.
Name the players coming through who will be replacing the likes of Cluxton, Rock, Mannion, Mccarthy etc to keep Dublin in final after final for the next decade?
Dean Rock has been a bit part player in recent times, he's barely playing as is. Mannion and Cluxton, both of whom have not played in recent years. Cluxton is probably the greatest keeper ever and was missing for the previous 2.5 years.
Are people not forgetting who replaced Philly McMahon, Bernard Brogan, Alan Brogan, Michael Darragh McCauley, Cian O'Sullivan, Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn, Johnny Cooper, Kevin McManamon etc?
Thats a list of just some of the players they lost in recent times, some of the best players ever and they haven't lost a step. What we have is people and media hoping they fall back to stop the domination.
Haven't lost a step? This Dublin team is a long way from the 5 in a row team. There will be a drop off when they lose Cluxton, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Fitzsimmons. Mannion and Kilkenny are both around 30. What we've seen in the last 3 years from Dublin is what we will see in the next decade. They will always be in the mix but they won't dominate.
They needed the old guard to get over the line yesterday. That card won't be available for much longer. Kerry will be wondering how they lost a 3 point lead twice.
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I didn't even know Costello was on the pitch to be honest
This is why those lads have 9 medals and a few more have 7 and 8. Costello was the main reason (maybe only reason) they got past Monaghan. Yesterday someone else steps up when he has a quiet day. Most counties, including Kerry, need their top men to step up every day
Exactly. Name another team in history that could afford to use Jack McCaffrey from the bench. Impossible.
I actually thought Lee Gannon was doing decent enough at times. Yellow card, substituted. Ruthless because they can be with that strength in depth.
What's tiring is people thinking that other teams are close to Dublin when they are a million miles away from that depth. They will almost certainly be in the final nearly every year for the next decade again. Too strong.
Name the players coming through who will be replacing the likes of Cluxton, Rock, Mannion, Mccarthy etc to keep Dublin in final after final for the next decade?
Dean Rock has been a bit part player in recent times, he's barely playing as is. Mannion and Cluxton, both of whom have not played in recent years. Cluxton is probably the greatest keeper ever and was missing for the previous 2.5 years.
Are people not forgetting who replaced Philly McMahon, Bernard Brogan, Alan Brogan, Michael Darragh McCauley, Cian O'Sullivan, Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn, Johnny Cooper, Kevin McManamon etc?
Thats a list of just some of the players they lost in recent times, some of the best players ever and they haven't lost a step. What we have is people and media hoping they fall back to stop the domination.
You've pretty much done my next reply for me there
Mannion and. Justin didn't play much in the last couple years and they didn't win much. Both contributed a lot to yesterdays win
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From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
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Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
No, he did not.
If he's as good as the Derry folk say it can be the only reasonable explanation
You're on a roll WT4E!
Fair play to McGuigan on Top Scorer award took some balls to go for the point but worked out for him in the end. :D
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From gaelicstatsman
David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year
It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final
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Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?
No, he did not.
If he's as good as the Derry folk say it can be the only reasonable explanation
You're on a roll WT4E!
Fair play to McGuigan on Top Scorer award took some balls to go for the point but worked out for him in the end. :D
Apparently that is why Clifford deliberately missed a sitter to equalise at the end yesterday, so that McGuigan could win it. Nice gesture. ;D
For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.
Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.
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For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.
Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.
I don't think they will, at least for a few years anyway until they bed in some new players. I'd expect a raft of retirements now that they have got their 9th AI medal. That was the last sting of a dying wasp yesterday but it was still good enough to eke out another All Ireland.
Doesn't feel like a dying sting to me, they've been the best team all year pretty clearly. Anything I've read or heard in the last 24 hours has pointed to the three lads with 9 medals coming back again
Why would they retire??
McCarthy is a beast who still has the legs. Fitzsimons never relied on physique.
Cuxton is a keeper...
Then you'd imagine an injury free McCaffrey with a full preseason under him is like a new man.
Some others like Basquel stepped up too.
Con was average, so he's going to be flying next year...
Why walk away from that?
Best team all year, they were poor the whole way through the Div 2 league till the final,, couldn't beat Roscommon, They come strong late on, but not many expected them to go any further than a semi earlier in the year.
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Why would they retire??
For similar reasons that they chose to retire last year.
Would they stay on another year? I don't know, I guess it's a huge committment to get up to that level of fitnesss, it's not as if they can just miss training, waltz into matchday and put in a peerless performance like a crocked Paul McGrath did time and time again at the top level.
I'm inclined to agree with yellowcard, I don't think the Dubs would have won the AI without the oul fellahs and let's not forget Gilroy who bailed out a struggling rookie manager. Take one incident near the end of the match when the Dubs lost possession in front of Kerry goals and after a bit of too and fro, upped the agresssion to that level that only those lads could engineer, won back the ball and scored an invaluable. point.
I speculate that Dessie knew in his heart that the Dubs were not good enough and did what was needed to build the winning formula. And I'd say Derry are not going away until they win Sam.
But the difference is Gilroy and in turn Cuxton coming back. That elevates it all.
It's a different setup to what they walked away from. And the 10th Celtic Cross is some prize. Plus the others on 8...
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 31, 2023, 04:49:35 PM
Why would they retire??
For similar reasons that they chose to retire last year.
Would they stay on another year? I don't know, I guess it's a huge committment to get up to that level of fitnesss, it's not as if they can just miss training, waltz into matchday and put in a peerless performance like a crocked Paul McGrath did time and time again at the top level.
I'm inclined to agree with yellowcard, I don't think the Dubs would have won the AI without the oul fellahs and let's not forget Gilroy who bailed out a struggling rookie manager. Take one incident near the end of the match when the Dubs lost possession in front of Kerry goals and after a bit of too and fro, upped the agresssion to that level that only those lads could engineer, won back the ball and scored an invaluable. point.
I speculate that Dessie knew in his heart that the Dubs were not good enough and did what was needed to build the winning formula. And I'd say Derry are not going away until they win Sam.
I'd agree with that assessment. I think Dessie Farrell had 2 options. Either go with an entire rebuild and expect a transitionary period of a few years where the Dubs might not be as successful. Or throw the kitchen sink at it and try and win one last All Ireland. He was proven right and i don't believe they would have won the AI without the returning players either. Apart from conceding a goal yesterday, Cluxton had a near perfect performance, it was like he was playing in his back garden he was so composed while Mannion got RTE MOTM. You can't buy that composure and big game temperament. The winner writes the script so the Dessie Farrell era will now be viewed as a success. He was humble enough to get Gilroy back on board and that played a big part too.
Galway and Derry are the 2 teams who probably will have the most regrets this season. I didn't believe that Derry had the tools to win an AI title up until the Kerry match but I think they could challenge now over the next few years.
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Why would they retire??
For similar reasons that they chose to retire last year.
Would they stay on another year? I don't know, I guess it's a huge committment to get up to that level of fitnesss, it's not as if they can just miss training, waltz into matchday and put in a peerless performance like a crocked Paul McGrath did time and time again at the top level.
I'm inclined to agree with yellowcard, I don't think the Dubs would have won the AI without the oul fellahs and let's not forget Gilroy who bailed out a struggling rookie manager. Take one incident near the end of the match when the Dubs lost possession in front of Kerry goals and after a bit of too and fro, upped the agresssion to that level that only those lads could engineer, won back the ball and scored an invaluable. point.
I speculate that Dessie knew in his heart that the Dubs were not good enough and did what was needed to build the winning formula. And I'd say Derry are not going away until they win Sam.
I'd agree with that assessment. I think Dessie Farrell had 2 options. Either go with an entire rebuild and expect a transitionary period of a few years where the Dubs might not be as successful. Or throw the kitchen sink at it and try and win one last All Ireland. He was proven right and i don't believe they would have won the AI without the returning players either. Apart from conceding a goal yesterday, Cluxton had a near perfect performance, it was like he was playing in his back garden he was so composed while Mannion got RTE MOTM. You can't buy that composure and big game temperament. The winner writes the script so the Dessie Farrell era will now be viewed as a success. He was humble enough to get Gilroy back on board and that played a big part too.
Galway and Derry are the 2 teams who probably will have the most regrets this season. I didn't believe that Derry had the tools to win an AI title up until the Kerry match but I think they could challenge now over the next few years.
In my opinion, Derry are two forwards away from Sam.
And if Murray and mc williams come good, which i think they can , they will be there.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 31, 2023, 04:52:14 PM
Best team all year, they were poor the whole way through the Div 2 league till the final,, couldn't beat Roscommon, They come strong late on, but not many expected them to go any further than a semi earlier in the year.
Could have been a different for Dublin had they lost to Roscommon. The rossies had a free with the last kick of the game to win it.
Would have finished 2nd in the group had they lost that match and have played rested Derry in the Quarter final and that Quarter final would have been Dublins 3rd game in 14 days.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 31, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.
Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.
Yeah - the gap has narrowed. For me Derry should have beaten Kerry, with the rub of the green Monaghan could have beaten Dublin and Galway are perhaps the team that should have the most regrets. They really should have gone deeper. There's 5 teams straight out that that can challenge next year
Quote from: straightred on July 31, 2023, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 31, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.
Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.
Yeah - the gap has narrowed. For me Derry should have beaten Kerry, with the rub of the green Monaghan could have beaten Dublin and Galway are perhaps the team that should have the most regrets. They really should have gone deeper. There's 5 teams straight out that that can challenge next year
Monaghan gave Dublin a rattle but were average in a few games. Kildare should have beaten Monaghan. A makeshift Donegal beat Monaghan in round Robin series
The standard is not what it was. Galway were missing a couple of good backs this year Kieran Molloy was excellent when they reached the All Ireland final . Missed this year through injury. Liam Silke will probably be back too
Derry do feel like All Ireland champions in waiting.
Galway had too many injuries.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 31, 2023, 04:49:35 PM
Why would they retire??
McCarthy is a beast who still has the legs. Fitzsimons never relied on physique.
Cuxton is a keeper...
Then you'd imagine an injury free McCaffrey with a full preseason under him is like a new man.
Some others like Basquel stepped up too.
Con was average, so he's going to be flying next year...
Why walk away from that?
Because he hinted at retiring in his post match interview
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 31, 2023, 06:27:33 PM
Derry do feel like All Ireland champions in waiting.
Yes it's Derrys to lose now...
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 31, 2023, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 31, 2023, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 31, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.
Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.
Yeah - the gap has narrowed. For me Derry should have beaten Kerry, with the rub of the green Monaghan could have beaten Dublin and Galway are perhaps the team that should have the most regrets. They really should have gone deeper. There's 5 teams straight out that that can challenge next year
Monaghan gave Dublin a rattle but were average in a few games. Kildare should have beaten Monaghan. A makeshift Donegal beat Monaghan in round Robin series
The standard is not what it was. Galway were missing a couple of good backs this year Kieran Molloy was excellent when they reached the All Ireland final . Missed this year through injury. Liam Silke will probably be back too
Defence wasn't the issue for Galway this year, held all teams in the league and championship to low scores their problem was not scoring enough. Still rely on Comer who's injury prone and Walsh who was off form and carrying an injury himself.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2023, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 31, 2023, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 31, 2023, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 31, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.
Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.
Yeah - the gap has narrowed. For me Derry should have beaten Kerry, with the rub of the green Monaghan could have beaten Dublin and Galway are perhaps the team that should have the most regrets. They really should have gone deeper. There's 5 teams straight out that that can challenge next year
Monaghan gave Dublin a rattle but were average in a few games. Kildare should have beaten Monaghan. A makeshift Donegal beat Monaghan in round Robin series
The standard is not what it was. Galway were missing a couple of good backs this year Kieran Molloy was excellent when they reached the All Ireland final . Missed this year through injury. Liam Silke will probably be back too
Defence wasn't the issue for Galway this year, held all teams in the league and championship to low scores their problem was not scoring enough. Still rely on Comer who's injury prone and Walsh who was off form and carrying an injury himself.
It wasn't the issue but those players were very good going forward from deep. Some of the Galway players in defence this year like Cian Hernon offered little going forward
But yeah Galway need another scoring forward. Tierney is quality but more of a half forward. Ian Burke shows well but doesn't score. Finnerty capable but has been in and out
Quote from: Real Talk on July 27, 2023, 08:33:19 AM
I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S ) and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards.
The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do.
So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.
The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!
Do youse boys know anything about Dublin and Kerry ???
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 31, 2023, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 31, 2023, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 31, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
For five years or so, nobody could touch Dublin, Mayo could give them a game, but still weren't at that level.
Dublin will be there or there abouts, no doubt. But the playing field is much more level now.
Yeah - the gap has narrowed. For me Derry should have beaten Kerry, with the rub of the green Monaghan could have beaten Dublin and Galway are perhaps the team that should have the most regrets. They really should have gone deeper. There's 5 teams straight out that that can challenge next year
Monaghan gave Dublin a rattle but were average in a few games. Kildare should have beaten Monaghan. A makeshift Donegal beat Monaghan in round Robin series
The standard is not what it was. Galway were missing a couple of good backs this year Kieran Molloy was excellent when they reached the All Ireland final . Missed this year through injury. Liam Silke will probably be back too
Monaghan did good this year, in all probability neither Kildare nor Donegal would have come close to drawing with Armagh and Monaghan were the only team who prevailed having played the 3 weeks in a row and also playing extra time and penalties to boot.
It's Monaghan's next challenge, to follow up on a good year. Derry are still a few lengths ahead of Monaghan, they have it within the squad to get to an AI final next year.
Imo the only team from Connacht that deservedly earned the right to have regrets is Roscommon, only for a freak of a technical foul they would have beaten Cork to get to the 1/4 final. Obviously I don't know how they would have performed but they were a team that were cut out when they had more to offer competitively. Galway were beaten at home when it mattered by a not so great Mayo team, excuses don't cut a proper explanation nor justify regrets, tactically and selection wise they got it wrong v Mayo.
Quote from: Real Talk on July 31, 2023, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on July 27, 2023, 08:33:19 AM
I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S ) and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards.
The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do.
So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.
The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!
Do youse boys know anything about Dublin and Kerry ???
Jack McCaffrey was the only real star option Dublin had on the bench. No doubt he made a huge impact but apart from him there wasn't any of the others Kerry would have been worried about coming on once Bugler was ruled out and Kilkenny was starting. James McCarthy was ineffectual for the whole match.
Anyway good to see Paul Flynn out celebrating with his former teammates last night. But they should have told him to never drink and tweet.
https://twitter.com/Flinto23/status/1686159075870969856?s=20
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 01, 2023, 10:18:26 AM
Dean Rock is no bad sub to bring on.
Still a top class free taker but not from open play any more imo. Farrell mustn't see him as much of an impact sub either bringing him on in the 70th, 68th & 68th minute of the last 3 matches.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 01, 2023, 10:27:02 AM
I'm sure he's glad he did on Sunday.
Dropped one short and hit a straightforward free with the last kick.
Not disputing his quality but at this stage of his career just wouldn't class him as a hugely impactful sub to bring on.
A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.
Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.
After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.
Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.
Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.
Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.
Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.
Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.
Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI. A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.
Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.
Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the next while.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 01, 2023, 12:00:44 PM
A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.
Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.
After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.
Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.
Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.
Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.
Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.
Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.
Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI. A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.
Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.
Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the
They did push them hard the game was level 3 minutes into added time and Kerry were 3 up at 2 different stages of second half.
Loughlin/Toner wouldn't start on any other division 1 team. Derry forward line would be well behind most of these other teams also. McGuigan is as good as their is about but don't really have another go to forward. McFaul, Cassidy, Doherty are all good players in own right but wouldn't be relying on them to weigh in with 3 or 4 points every day.
I disagree we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry, considering we'd have been without McKinless and McGrogan
Quote from: Mario on August 01, 2023, 01:54:35 PM
I disagree we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry, considering we'd have been without McKinless and McGrogan
Fair point - I didnt consider that. Both key players for Derry.
Quote from: Mario on August 01, 2023, 01:54:35 PM
I disagree we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry, considering we'd have been without McKinless and McGrogan
McGrogan going off in semi final was very understated Padraig Cassidy was a man down when came on and also meant Conor Dohertys role had to change.
Seems Derry are the real AI Champions ::)
The people's champions
Quote from: statto on August 01, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 01, 2023, 12:00:44 PM
A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.
Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.
After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.
Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.
Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.
Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.
Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.
Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.
Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI. A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.
Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.
Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the
They did push them hard the game was level 3 minutes into added time and Kerry were 3 up at 2 different stages of second half.
Loughlin/Toner wouldn't start on any other division 1 team. Derry forward line would be well behind most of these other teams also. McGuigan is as good as their is about but don't really have another go to forward. McFaul, Cassidy, Doherty are all good players in own right but wouldn't be relying on them to weigh in with 3 or 4 points every day.
Given that that Derry play a game system where when they have the ball every one attacks and when the haven't the ball everyone defends - when your'e at the the game it is only then that you appreciate that ( when they defend) how much ground that particularly Loughlin, Toner and Paul Cassidy cover when tracking back which means theyr'e not going to be in the scoring "D zone " as often when the transition to attacking mode happens.
Derry maximise the team effort consistently to great effect but it requires a high level of fitness. I'm sure you will have noticed that Loughlin and Toner are mostly taken off after 60ish mins and replaced with Herron and Murray
Quote from: Real Talk on August 02, 2023, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: statto on August 01, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 01, 2023, 12:00:44 PM
A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.
Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.
After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.
Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.
Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.
Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.
Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.
Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.
Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI. A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.
Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.
Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the
They did push them hard the game was level 3 minutes into added time and Kerry were 3 up at 2 different stages of second half.
Loughlin/Toner wouldn't start on any other division 1 team. Derry forward line would be well behind most of these other teams also. McGuigan is as good as their is about but don't really have another go to forward. McFaul, Cassidy, Doherty are all good players in own right but wouldn't be relying on them to weigh in with 3 or 4 points every day.
Given that that Derry play a game system where when they have the ball every one attacks and when the haven't the ball everyone defends - when your'e at the the game it is only then that you appreciate that ( when they defend) how much ground that particularly Loughlin, Toner and Paul Cassidy cover when tracking back which means theyr'e not going to be in the scoring "D zone " as often when the transition to attacking mode happens.
Derry maximise the team effort consistently to great effect but it requires a high level of fitness. I'm sure you will have noticed that Loughlin and Toner are mostly taken off after 60ish mins and replaced with Herron and Murray
Yeah and this is why I'd be reluctant to single out any of our forwards for not doing enough or being good enough.
There's no questioning the effort these guys give during a game and it doesn't always get recognised as they don't finish with 3-4 points.
Quote from: statto on August 01, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 01, 2023, 12:00:44 PM
A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.
Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.
After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.
Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.
Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.
Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.
Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.
Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.
Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI. A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.
Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.
Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the
They did push them hard the game was level 3 minutes into added time and Kerry were 3 up at 2 different stages of second half.
Loughlin/Toner wouldn't start on any other division 1 team. Derry forward line would be well behind most of these other teams also. McGuigan is as good as their is about but don't really have another go to forward. McFaul, Cassidy, Doherty are all good players in own right but wouldn't be relying on them to weigh in with 3 or 4 points every day.
Yes you can't push much harder than that. I'd say Dublin would have the game wrapped up much sooner against Derry.
Watching back the final a 2nd time last night what stood out was the contribution of Colm Basquel, I counted 1-6 of Dublin's scores that went through his hands he stepped up big time when the more highly rated forwards Con O'Callaghan,Cormac Costello and Ciaran Kilkenny struggled to create and score on the day.
Yeah, Basquel had an excellent second half. Pretty unlucky to get booked 1st half, I thought. Looked like a clash of heads when I saw it on tv.
Watch the last ten minutes or so too. Most things came through Kilkenny - he had a massive bearing on the outcome of that game.
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Watch the last ten minutes or so too. Most things came through Kilkenny - he had a massive bearing on the outcome of that game.
100% correct, controlled the movement at the crucial time.
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A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.
Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.
After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.
Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.
Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.
Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.
Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.
Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.
Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI. A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.
Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.
Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the
They did push them hard the game was level 3 minutes into added time and Kerry were 3 up at 2 different stages of second half.
Loughlin/Toner wouldn't start on any other division 1 team. Derry forward line would be well behind most of these other teams also. McGuigan is as good as their is about but don't really have another go to forward. McFaul, Cassidy, Doherty are all good players in own right but wouldn't be relying on them to weigh in with 3 or 4 points every day.
Given that that Derry play a game system where when they have the ball every one attacks and when the haven't the ball everyone defends - when your'e at the the game it is only then that you appreciate that ( when they defend) how much ground that particularly Loughlin, Toner and Paul Cassidy cover when tracking back which means theyr'e not going to be in the scoring "D zone " as often when the transition to attacking mode happens.
Derry maximise the team effort consistently to great effect but it requires a high level of fitness. I'm sure you will have noticed that Loughlin and Toner are mostly taken off after 60ish mins and replaced with Herron and Murray
Dublin operated similarly in the AI final but players like Basquel and Mannion are still contributing significantly in the attacking third. If you look back at the semi final vs Kerry Toner has a goal chance that a more ruthless forward finishes and Loughlin misses a key chance for a score when game is in melting point(think Derry were possibly 1 up). You could argue that they are took off because they are tired or equally argue that they are of less quality than the other 4 forwards so are taken off.
Anyone have any stats on most posessions of the ball?
Just watched it back, Kilkenny must have had 30+ touches, all be it kicked it about twice, got his hands on a lot of ball and usually kept things moving.
74 minutes gone, sides level, Dublin got the break with the shot parried by the keeper...not sure how Mannion got MotM, had 2 poor wides in 2nd half.
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Anyone have any stats on most posessions of the ball?
Just watched it back, Kilkenny must have had 30+ touches, all be it kicked it about twice, got his hands on a lot of ball and usually kept things moving.
74 minutes gone, sides level, Dublin got the break with the shot parried by the keeper...not sure how Mannion got MotM, had 2 poor wides in 2nd half.
Probably, in a low scoring enough game, he got 5 pts including 4 pts from play.
Quote from: Qwerty28 on August 03, 2023, 11:12:39 PM
Anyone have any stats on most posessions of the ball?
Just watched it back, Kilkenny must have had 30+ touches, all be it kicked it about twice, got his hands on a lot of ball and usually kept things moving.
74 minutes gone, sides level, Dublin got the break with the shot parried by the keeper...not sure how Mannion got MotM, had 2 poor wides in 2nd half.
Mannion scored 5 points, 4 from play, so that's an excellent strike rate and many of them long range. The free he scored when McCaffrey had scored but the ref pulled it way back because he was playing 'advantage' was the most important score of the match, and the kick under most pressure, in my opinion. Dublin really needed a score at that stage after Kerry had scored 3 in a row. We regained the momentum and never let it back.
Having watched it back twice, Fenton, Cluxton, Howard and Mannion were the players who contributed most over the course of the match, with many others playing very well in patches. But Mannion deserving man of the match.