Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - twohands!!!

Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 151
1
GAA Discussion / Re: Underdogs- Tasty
« on: Today at 08:29:52 PM »
2-8 to 0-2 to the Dubs at half time. No energy or movement in that underdogs side its like the shite has been run out of them.

One of the Underdogs backs looked completely gassed after 15 minutes.

The Underdogs are making it very easy for the Dublin defence with some shocking attempts at putting the ball into the forwards. Horror show stuff.

The Dublin no 15 looks a real prospect.



2
GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: October 18, 2018, 04:06:11 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/thats-the-one-that-mightnt-make-it-through-toms-s-thinks-one-new-football-rule-change-might-run-into-problems-37433713.html

Quote
Wicklow lead drive for Tier 2 football championship

Martin Breheny

October 18 2018 2:30 AM

Wicklow are leading a campaign for the introduction of a Tier 2 football championship for 16 counties, which would spell the end of the current format where all counties beaten in the provincial series re-enter the All-Ireland race via the qualifiers.

It comes following a discussion at Central Council last month where there was unanimous agreement that the Tier 2 option should be explored. Wicklow's plan proposes that Division 3 and 4 counties drop out of All-Ireland contention unless they reach their provincial final. Instead, they would play in a Tier 2 championship, with the semi-finals and final played in Croke Park as curtain-raisers to the Sam Maguire equivalents.

If Division 3 or 4 counties reach provincial finals - as Fermanagh and Laois did this year - they would continue in the All-Ireland race.

Wicklow are proposing that a 'Super 8s' system, which replaced the All-Ireland quarter-finals this year, also apply in Tier 2.

"Bringing in a Tier 2 championship would provide welcome light at the end of the tunnel for Division 3 and 4 counties. The new competition would give them something to aim at with a chance of winning and would also and give them a chance of playing in Croke Park on the biggest days," said Martin Coleman, Wicklow's Central Council representative.

"The important thing is that every county gets to play in their own provincial championship. There's no change there.

"The new competition would have to be promoted and marketed. There's no point running it unless it's sold as an important competition designed to give Division 3 and 4 counties something to aim at," said Coleman.

More talk of Tier 2.

3
GAA Discussion / Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
« on: October 17, 2018, 02:14:26 PM »
Don't understand how they can't issue suspensions based on the video evidence. They have the team sheets so identifying the culprits shouldn't be a problem.

Unless there is an official video that we haven't seen?

Doesnt have to be an official video?

The most relevant bit from the Disciplinary Handbook relating to video evidence is as follows.

There is nothing here about it having to be official video or nothing stating that video from a phone is inadmissable.

Quote
Referees’ Reports: One of the principal exceptions to the general preference for oral evidence is the Referee’s Report.
The Referee’s Report (including any Clarification) is proof of what it says except where “unedited video evidence or other compelling evidence” shows that the Referee has made a
mistake. There is no special manner by which video evidence should be shown. The video can be slowed down, speeded up and so on, as long as it is not altered. Whoever is introducing it in must
provide the other side with a copy of the tape/DVD in advance of the Hearing so that they have a chance of viewing it.

http://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/k3kikyleirbkigikn7xi.pdf

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of footage of misbehaviour at games, especially from someone's phone, just doesn't get officially seen by the disciplinary powers-that-be, particularly in the case of a melee, where it would probably lead to an increased number of players punished.

Maybe the GAA should start to offer a bounty for footage of players/teams misbehaving?  :P

4
GAA Discussion / Re: The 4 youngsters marked for AFL?
« on: October 16, 2018, 05:14:28 PM »
Anton Tohill, son of Anthony, has signed for Collingwood.

Mark Keane from Cork has signed for Collingwood as well.

5
GAA Discussion / Re: Championship Draw 2019
« on: October 11, 2018, 09:30:49 PM »
Looks like next year could be a very bad championship for Division 4 sides and provide a serious chunk of evidence for a tiered championship, given the way the draw went.

The following are the Division 4 sides first round opposition.

Antrim v Tyrone (unless Derry somehow beat Tyrone)   
Derry v Tyrone   
Leitrim v Roscommon   
Limerick v Tipperary
London v Galway   
Waterford v Clare   
Wexford v    Louth   
Wicklow v   Kildare   

4 Division 1 sides and 3 Division 2 sides and only 1 Division 3 side.
There's also Mayo v New York.
Looks like a lot of one-sided matches in the early rounds of the championship
Worth remembering that this is with some protection for Division 4 sides due to the that Kerry and Cork are going straight into the Munster semi-finals and Dublin are going straight into the Leinster quarters.



6
GAA Discussion / Re: Championship Draw 2019
« on: October 11, 2018, 09:12:38 PM »


7
GAA Discussion / Re: Championship Draw 2019
« on: October 11, 2018, 09:07:36 PM »
Munster draw is a farce. Why do a shit cork team get preferential treatment

Because thats what Tipperary, Limerick, Clare and Waterford wanted.

We voted against it and Clare voted for it against teams wishes

Sorry I just assumed it was the standard historic 4 v 2 in the Munster Council when it comes to the football championship.

8
GAA Discussion / Re: Championship Draw 2019
« on: October 11, 2018, 09:05:24 PM »








9
GAA Discussion / Re: Championship Draw 2019
« on: October 11, 2018, 09:02:52 PM »
Munster draw is a farce. Why do a shit cork team get preferential treatment

Because thats what Tipperary, Limerick, Clare and Waterford wanted.

10
GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: October 09, 2018, 04:52:08 PM »
Managers for Next Year

Donegal    Declan Bonner
Derry    Damian McErlain
Antrim    Lenny Harbinson
Down   Paddy Tally
Armagh    Kieran McGeeney
Monaghan Malachy O'Rourke
Cavan    Mickey Graham
Fermanagh  Rory Gallagher
Tyrone    Mickey Harte
   
Sligo    Paul Taylor
Leitrim    Terry Hyland
Roscommon   
Mayo           James Horan
Galway    Shane Walsh
London    Ciaran Deely
   
Clare    Colm Collins
Limerick   Billy Lee
Tipperary   Liam Kearns
Waterford    Benji Whelan
Cork    Ronan McCarthy
Kerry    Peter Keane
   
Louth    Wayne Kerins
Meath    Andy McEntee
Westmeath  Jack Cooney
Longford    Padraic Davis
Laois    John Sugrue
Offaly    John Maughan
Carlow    Turlough O'Brien
Wexford    Paul McLoughlin
Wicklow   John Evans
Dublin    Jim Gavin
Kildare    Cian O'Neill

11
The tackle is already defined as
Quote

    The tackle is a skill by which one or more players may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the Rules of Fair Play.
    A tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. A tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact such as punching, slapping,
    arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact allowed is that in the course of
    a Fair Charge one player only with at least one foot on the ground , makes a shoulder to shoulder charge on the player in possession.


Basically if more than 2 players are in the act of tackling a player at the same time it's a foul and a free to the player in possession.

Twohands, I don't understand how you draw this conclusion from the rule as stated.  15 guys could be tackling the one player, and so long as they only played the ball and no more than one shouldered him, it's no foul, as per the quoted rule.

Sorry for the confusion - someone earlier in the thread was talking about adjusting the rules to make it that if more than 2 players were tackling a player it would be a foul.
Then someone else say it would be difficult for refs.
I was saying that I didn't think it would be that hard for the refs if a limit of 2 tackles was brought in. Could/should possibly have made it clearer.

You're quite correct when you say "15 guys could be tackling the one player, and so long as they only played the ball and no more than one shouldered him, it's no foul, as per the quoted rule."
The fact that this is legit under the current rules further strengthens the case for amending the rule.

12
The tackle is a major issue in matches at all levels

A forward gets the ball, swamped upon by 3 (or more) defenders, can't get out so free against.  How many times in the same game would the same happen at the other end of the field and it's a free in.  This frustrates players, management and supporters and the thing escalates from there.  I think limiting the number of tacklers to 2 at least gives the forward a chance.  Third man in and its a free in.

I think this is a great idea - it gives more of an advantage to the player in possession and it makes the blanket defence less effective.

Under the current rules, all the defenders have to do to force a turn-over is surround a player and as long as they don't commit a foul, the player in possession will be blown for over-carrying unless they can somehow get a pass away through the gaps - the proposed 3 hand pass rule will make it even easier for defenders/harder for the player in possession as there will be occasions where the player in possession won't have the option of using a hand-pass and will have to try and somehow kick-pass it.

I agree to an extent esp regarding limiting the hand-passes

But how do you limit the number of "tacklers?" Would there be an exclusion zone around a player of a yard or something?

Also what if the possession player moves towards defender should he then get out of the way?

What would happen close to goals? Should it only be applicable outside the D?

All gets very complicated putting officials under pressure but would be worth an experiment to see what happens

The tackle is already defined as
Quote
The tackle is a skill by which one or more players may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the Rules of Fair Play.
A tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. A tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact such as punching, slapping,
arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact allowed is that in the course of
a Fair Charge one player only with at least one foot on the ground , makes a shoulder to shoulder charge on the player in possession.

Basically if more than 2 players are in the act of tackling a player at the same time it's a foul and a free to the player in possession.
I don't think that a player in possession moving towards a defender would have any real influence on this rule - the current rules would still apply i.e charging.
I don't think that any player in possession is going to be able to manage to manufacture a situation where he has more than 2 players tackling him at the same time by simply moving towards an additional defender.

As for what happens near goal, initially I think this would fall under the category of a technical foul as opposed to an aggressive fouls so it would be a free-kick as opposed to a penalty.
If it were seen that defending teams were deliberately triple-tackling near goal to stop goal chances, the punishment could be upgraded to a penalty kick.

I don't really think this would be all that complicated for refs to enforce.

It's not a rule that is going to magically fix all the game's ills but it would be a move in the right direction - currently it's far too easy for sides who are defending to win back possession simply by the act of getting bodies around a player.

13
The tackle is a major issue in matches at all levels

A forward gets the ball, swamped upon by 3 (or more) defenders, can't get out so free against.  How many times in the same game would the same happen at the other end of the field and it's a free in.  This frustrates players, management and supporters and the thing escalates from there.  I think limiting the number of tacklers to 2 at least gives the forward a chance.  Third man in and its a free in.

I think this is a great idea - it gives more of an advantage to the player in possession and it makes the blanket defence less effective.

Under the current rules, all the defenders have to do to force a turn-over is surround a player and as long as they don't commit a foul, the player in possession will be blown for over-carrying unless they can somehow get a pass away through the gaps - the proposed 3 hand pass rule will make it even easier for defenders/harder for the player in possession as there will be occasions where the player in possession won't have the option of using a hand-pass and will have to try and somehow kick-pass it.

14
Could some one post the list of names of the people on the committee that came up with these suggestions? I understand that some of the committee have never played gaelic football yet are on the committee.

Quote
The Standing Committee on Playing Rules is comprised of:

David Hassan (Chair), Tracy Bunyan (Sec), Pat Daly, Seamus Kenny, Brian Cuthbert, Michael Delaney, David Collins, Alex McQuillen, Frank Murphy.

A veritable who's that of football coaching knowledge.




15
GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: October 03, 2018, 06:22:28 PM »
Limerick Manager in favour of 2nd Tier

Quote
“I know there are people who don’t agree with a two-tier championship but football is now the only sport under the Gaelic Games banner which doesn’t have a tiered system. There are tiers in hurling, camogie, and ladies football. It’s time football went that way too,” said Lee.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/limerick-boss-lee-supports-second-tier-championship-871449.html

Benji Whelan the new Waterford manager also said it was worth looking at.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/new-deise-boss-whelan-open-to-secondary-competition-872104.html

Ciaran Deely the London manager has spoken out in favour of it before.


Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 151