Quinn Insurance in Administration

[sammymaguire]

I have to agree with pretty much all that but that's us culchie's with shocking paranoia... The Irish government have made a total fcuk up of the Irish economy over the last 15 years and the need a fall guy because their mismanagement can't be shown up for everyone to ridicule cos things could get ugly then.

[FermGael]

TYP the cement is split over 2 sites. The original factory was in Fermanagh and the new factory is in Cavan. They are about 2 miles from each other
The glass factory is in Fermanagh as well as the lite block factory.
The radiator factory is in Cavan and i think that quinn therm is based in Cavan as well. all there factories are within 2 miles of each other.

[Rossfan]

Just a question.

Why are Quinn's businesses in hospitality, glass, radiators, cement and insulation in Cavan and not Fermanagh the county he loves so well and whose people adore him while his insurance business was aimed at the UK market?

As was his bankruptcy 

[rrhf]

There' ll be a few of the baying wolves on here reading that, who will regret many of their comments now.  A few resignations from the board mightn't go amiss.

[Orangemac]

Has there been a more divisive figure since Roy Keane 10 years ago?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2012/0804/1224321434497.html

[trileacman]

Just a question.

Why are Quinn's businesses in hospitality, glass, radiators, cement and insulation in Cavan and not Fermanagh the county he loves so well and whose people adore him while his insurance business was aimed at the UK market?

He doesn't employ within a mile radius. Many of his former workers were from Fermanagh or even here in Tyrone, more still respect him for the good work he done and the business he built. But sure we shouldn't be adoring someone with invention and hard work, we should be applauding those hard-working teachers who spend half the year on strike whilst sucking off the government tit.

[Tony Baloney]

Just a question.

Why are Quinn's businesses in hospitality, glass, radiators, cement and insulation in Cavan and not Fermanagh the county he loves so well and whose people adore him while his insurance business was aimed at the UK market?

He doesn't employ within a mile radius. Many of his former workers were from Fermanagh or even here in Tyrone, more still respect him for the good work he done and the business he built. But sure we shouldn't be adoring someone with invention and hard work, we should be applauding those hard-working teachers who spend half the year on strike whilst sucking off the government tit.

He is certainly good at invention. Stories mainly it seems.

Quinn will never be short of boys to polish his boots with boys like you and Sammy about.

[Rossfan]

Ridiculous comment Trileac - and no I'm not a teacher.
Those comments you made could equally apply to the many Drug smugglers ,oil smugglers and various other criminals who were inventive and made loads of money.
Anyway the main reason people are upset over the "saint" Quinns is their insistence that they are somehow above the Law no matter what they did and their total contempt for the Courts and taxpayers of the 26 Cos.

Good to see the GAA ( 5 days too late) distancing itself from the "Support the Quinns" camp.

[haranguerer]

No they couldnt you p***k.

And theres no insistence that Quinn is above the law. Everyone has acknowledged Quinn has done wrong,and deserves some punishment for that.

However, it appears he is being made very much a scapegoat. The very nature of justice is that it must be fair, and equal for everyone. Its that it appears not to be equal for everyone, that people who support quinn are railing at. The full weight of the law is being thrown at quinn, while others who are more culpable are being sheltered. And its not that its a case of wanting him to get off just becuase others have, its that in this case there is very much shared culpability; if other cases were heard in court then a fuller picture of the circumstances surrounding these dealings would become better  known, and the blame apportioned more fairly, i.e., not all, or even largely, at Quinn.

[deiseach]

And theres no insistence that Quinn is above the law. Everyone has acknowledged Quinn has done wrong,and deserves some punishment for that.

Really? What punishment do you think should fit his crime?

[Rossfan]

No they couldnt you p***k.

And theres no insistence that Quinn is above the law.

Oh dear . Mods Personal abuse  the sign of a thick man losing an argument.

Peter Dara Quinn and his father seem to be insisting PD is above the Law.

[haranguerer]

And theres no insistence that Quinn is above the law. Everyone has acknowledged Quinn has done wrong,and deserves some punishment for that.

Really? What punishment do you think should fit his crime?

Fine him. Take a core part of his business off him even.

If you then decided to really take the piss and get yourself and your mates out of the firing line you could make him public enemy no 1 in these easy steps:

Nationalise his main creditor (who falsified records to portray a better picture of themselves for investors than the true one), thus allowing every bollocks going to spout about how he owes the 'taxpayer' money, and being able to pin all the welfare, healthcare etc cuts wholly on him.

Not give him the chance to pay back the above debt, (which he was keen to do even thought the legality of it is very much in question), rather opting to come in and take over all of his businesses, businesses which he had built up from nothing over many years, and get rid of him and his family from said businesses.

Despite having taking over all of his businesses, go after his family personally, and their assets, citing the fact that they were gaurantors for an illegal loan which was never anything to do with the taxpayer in the first place - this is strongly disputed (and its highly unlikely to say the least that any loan would be agreed to which used the familys personal assets as collateral when theres a group there to be used).

At this point, having driven him to breaking point, charge him with contempt when procedures are put in place to safeguard some assets (and anyone who says that if they were in the same situation and had a chance to remove assets from the scope of a recovery, and wouldnt take it, they're a liar), jail his son and nephew.

And of course, play all the above out in as public an eye as can by mustered, so that his reputation and character is ruined forever.

[haranguerer]

No they couldnt you p***k.

And theres no insistence that Quinn is above the law.

Oh dear . Mods Personal abuse  the sign of a thick man losing an argument.

Peter Dara Quinn and his father seem to be insisting PD is above the Law.

No, its the sign of someone getting exasperated by the rabid yapping of a p***k.

Really? Tell me, when or how did they insist this? They expressed a disbelief in the likelihood of getting a fair trial. They didnt say they were above the law and shouldnt be being tried, or perhaps you have evidence they did?

[deiseach]

Hmm. We can all get the answers we want if we get to ask the questions. But Seán Quinn doesn't get to ask the questions, the law and the courts do. And as things stand, it has been demonstrated that he gave personal guarantees for debts to the tune of €500 million. It has been demonstrated that Anglo/IBRC are entitled to pursue those guarantees. It has been demonstrated that Seán Quinn did everything he possibly could to hid those debts thus demonstrating contempt for the Irish courts. And for that, he has to be punished. Making up non-existent penalties ("Fine him") is to live in a fantasy world

[deiseach]

Really? Tell me, when or how did they insist this? They expressed a disbelief in the likelihood of getting a fair trial. They didnt say they were above the law and shouldnt be being tried, or perhaps you have evidence they did?

A distinction without a difference