Quinn Insurance in Administration

[johnneycool]

If it was Mickey Harte on his own, you could say it was in his personal capacity.
If it was Sean Boylan on his own, you could say it was in his personal capacity.
If it was Colm O'Rourke on his own,....
If it was Joe Kernan on his own,....
If it was Sean Kelly on his own,....

If you put them all together and they have one thing in common i.e. prominent GAA figures, are they still a collection of individuals?

If you had the same number of FG/FF/SF TDs coming out in support but saying they were speaking in a personal capacity, do you think that is how it would be perceived in the media and by the general public?

There's a good chance a lot of them are members of the Catholic church, does it back Quinn as well? They may even be members of a teachers union, Farmers union, I don't know, are they speaking for those organisations as well?

[deiseach]

There's a good chance a lot of them are members of the Catholic church, does it back Quinn as well? They may even be members of a teachers union, Farmers union, I don't know, are they speaking for those organisations as well?

I wonder how the PTAA feel about it all

[Denn Forever]

As this has run on and on, I've forgotten the question. 

The Rally in Ballyconnell was in support of Sean Quinn.  Support in what?  In the bit from Mickey Harte, he was talking about a leaflet that gives the true story. Does anyone have a copy of this leaflet?

[orangeman]

You serious about that ?

You said "Shock horror, a GAA man supports another GAA man", the implication being there was something inherently noble in defending a GAA man. So when those lads queued up to shake Danny Foley's hand, would you have thought it was okay to have claimed they were GAA men supporting another GAA man?

No such implication was made.

[trileacman]

Hang on Trileacman.

I am not going to answer your question as I have deliberately avoided bringing these GAA names into my comments on Quinn and his shennanigans.

What I want is a retraction from you saying that I am of the opinion that the likes of Mickey Harte et al are not entitled to their opinion. I never said this nor would I.

If you say you are not of the opinion that the GAA men are in the wrong here then I will retract my post and apologise for jumping the gun. However if you refuse to acknowledge a GAA person's right to express their opinion then my original post still stands.

[oisinog]

This is getting a good bit off subject. The rally was asking the government to step in to prevent any further selling of the Quinn's assets until the court case regarding the loans is settled.

The Quinn group is not disputing the assets already taken from them as this would cover the area of the loans that they are not disputing.

If AIB sell on these assets and the loans are found legal then the Tax payer has to give the Quinn's back the money that AIB received off them again hitting the tax payer

If the loans are found to be legal then AIB can sell away and recover assets until they are all gone.

Quinn's look to have a good case as the recent arrests of AIB bigwigs prove

[johnneycool]

Hang on Trileacman.

I am not going to answer your question as I have deliberately avoided bringing these GAA names into my comments on Quinn and his shennanigans.

What I want is a retraction from you saying that I am of the opinion that the likes of Mickey Harte et al are not entitled to their opinion. I never said this nor would I.

If you say you are not of the opinion that the GAA men are in the wrong here then I will retract my post and apologise for jumping the gun. However if you refuse to acknowledge a GAA person's right to express their opinion then my original post still stands.

Hang on Trileacman.

I am not going to answer your question as I have deliberately avoided bringing these GAA names into my comments on Quinn and his shennanigans.

What I want is a retraction from you saying that I am of the opinion that the likes of Mickey Harte et al are not entitled to their opinion. I never said this nor would I.

If you say you are not of the opinion that the GAA men are in the wrong here then I will retract my post and apologise for jumping the gun. However if you refuse to acknowledge a GAA person's right to express their opinion then my original post still stands.

These men have a right to express their opinion in any way they see fit, but in no way are they speaking for the GAA or representative of GAA members.

[Lone Shark]

I'd venture to say that I'm of the same mind of a lot of people when I say that Colm O'Rourke, Joe Kernan, Mickey Harte and whoever else are entitled to show their support for any cause they want. However the lazy media reporting that seeks to imply that the GAA as an organisation supports the cause is what upsets me. That's not the fault of the individuals unless they try to claim that they are there in anything other than a personal capacity, but it's no less frustrating for that.


Regarding Oisínóg's post, I find it remarkable that we have this huge demonstration asking for Quinn assets not to be disposed of - but if the banks seize the assets and later down the line it's deemed to be wrong, those moves can be reversed. It's only the Quinns themselves who seem to want to dispose of assets in an irreversable fashion.

[orangeman]

When all is said and done, the rally will not have made anybody in the government say hold on a minute, it's time we intervened here and stopped he wholesale selling of the Quinn group assets as high profile GAA figures have lent their support.


High profile GAA figures attending a protest march over the closure of your local hospital is likely to attract the same response - none !.

[Bingo]

If it was Mickey Harte on his own, you could say it was in his personal capacity.
If it was Sean Boylan on his own, you could say it was in his personal capacity.
If it was Colm O'Rourke on his own,....
If it was Joe Kernan on his own,....
If it was Sean Kelly on his own,....

If you put them all together and they have one thing in common i.e. prominent GAA figures, are they still a collection of individuals?

If you had the same number of FG/FF/SF TDs coming out in support but saying they were speaking in a personal capacity, do you think that is how it would be perceived in the media and by the general public?

There's a good chance a lot of them are members of the Catholic church, does it back Quinn as well? They may even be members of a teachers union, Farmers union, I don't know, are they speaking for those organisations as well?

Its easy to be dismissive of who they are or who they are perceived to do. The reality is if they were Mickey Harte, school teacher from Tyrone, Colm O'Rourke, school principal from Meath, Joe Kernan, estate agent from Armagh, etc etc they'd have not been asked to attend the rally or appear on stage. They were asked to be there cause they are high profile GAA personalties and such GAA personalties would be reflective of the core of the Quinns support base.

They weren't there representing the GAA but they were there cause they are GAA representatives. But at end of the day, it was their own personal choice to attend and its up to ourselves and the media to draw the connections from them to the GAA, which is what the organisers of the rally wanted. 

[trileacman]

As this has run on and on, I've forgotten the question. 

The Rally in Ballyconnell was in support of Sean Quinn.  Support in what?  In the bit from Mickey Harte, he was talking about a leaflet that gives the true story. Does anyone have a copy of this leaflet?

I think it's about supporting Quinn in his action against Anglo. Quinn believes he was unfairly treated by Anglo and they pulled the rug from under his feet, faulted his loans, seized his assets and are now out to portray the family as crooks who are defrauding the Irishman in the dole queue.

That's just my take on it though and I have to make it clear that my views do not represent the Trillick GAA, Tyrone GAA or the national GAA body. I am not expressing the opinion for all members of the UFU or Irvinestown credit union. I would ask the media not to protray the St Scires class of 1995 in a negative light either.

[AQMP]

As this has run on and on, I've forgotten the question. 

The Rally in Ballyconnell was in support of Sean Quinn.  Support in what?  In the bit from Mickey Harte, he was talking about a leaflet that gives the true story. Does anyone have a copy of this leaflet?

I think it's about supporting Quinn in his action against Anglo. Quinn believes he was unfairly treated by Anglo and they pulled the rug from under his feet, faulted his loans, seized his assets and are now out to portray the family as crooks who are defrauding the Irishman in the dole queue.

That's just my take on it though and I have to make it clear that my views do not represent the Trillick GAA, Tyrone GAA or the national GAA body. I am not expressing the opinion for all members of the UFU or Irvinestown credit union. I would ask the media not to protray the St Scires class of 1995 in a negative light either.

Just as long as we don't read tomorrow..."Well known GAA Board poster trileacman, speaking for all posters, expressed his support for Mr Quinn..."

[trileacman]

As this has run on and on, I've forgotten the question. 

The Rally in Ballyconnell was in support of Sean Quinn.  Support in what?  In the bit from Mickey Harte, he was talking about a leaflet that gives the true story. Does anyone have a copy of this leaflet?

I think it's about supporting Quinn in his action against Anglo. Quinn believes he was unfairly treated by Anglo and they pulled the rug from under his feet, faulted his loans, seized his assets and are now out to portray the family as crooks who are defrauding the Irishman in the dole queue.

That's just my take on it though and I have to make it clear that my views do not represent the Trillick GAA, Tyrone GAA or the national GAA body. I am not expressing the opinion for all members of the UFU or Irvinestown credit union. I would ask the media not to protray the St Scires class of 1995 in a negative light either.

Just as long as we don't read tomorrow..."Well known GAA Board poster trileacman, speaking for all posters, expressed his support for Mr Quinn..."

I can only hope!! Likely to spark a reprisal from the continuity GAA board movement!

[Shamrock Shore]

If you say you are not of the opinion that the GAA men are in the wrong here then I will retract my post and apologise for jumping the gun

OK - for the record, Harte, O'Rourke et al can march for whomever, whatever they like. They can support Quinn, they can support Fianna Fail, SDLP, Monster Raving Looney Party, Scientology. I don't care. They are entitled to their opinion or to believe in what they want.

I simply took grave exception to you saying that I said something that I never said, nor alluded to.

[winghalfun]

10, 15, 20 years ago, discovering a name in Stubbs Gazette was whispered in hushed tones among the public house glitterati, the after mass smokers collectives or the big fair day farmers' mart.

For some it was/is an inevitable and only way out of a hole. For others it was/is an excuse.

It is mark of how society is shifting its values in that today bankruptcy and being bankrupt no longer attracts the stigma that it once did.

And just as society askewed its disposition towards wealth and wealth creation so too has the line between accountability and dereliction been seriously cast aside.

Sean Quinn's case is no different than the 100's of other cases of bankruptcy's taking place week in week out throughout Ireland in these recessionary times apart from the sheer scale of the numbers involved and the fact it is being dragged out in the full glare of the media spotlight.

Like many before him and many that will come after, accounts will be closed, deeds altered, money transferred before the proverbial hits the fan. For some this will involve a few £1000 for some a few £100 and for some a few £1,000,000.

Sean Quinn has openly admitted doing the same. Anglo are coming after him. - To the victor the spoils.

I personally have a very simple take on the whole thing.
Sean Quinn still owes some money. He hasn't paid it all but has the means to pay some more. He is refusing. That is a moral decision that he must make.
I don't really care if he pays it or not because just as he has no interest in my life, I have no interest in his.

But just as we effortlessly allowed our economy to lapse into a cycle of greed and unfettered expansion we are now insulating failure and recklessness with the some sort of abandonment.

I have credit cards debts of £5000, a relatively small mortgage of £20000 and a personal loan of £7000 that cost me £685 a month in repayments.
How I would love to borrow another £25685, go into a casino and put it all on red secure in the knowledge that I should never have got the £25685 in the first place and I won't have to pay it back.
If I win. Well that's a different story. (Maybe I will have just one more go)

Never has this quote from John Paul Getty been more appropriate.
"If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."