Antrim Football Thread

[Milltown Row2]

When did Killyclogher win?

What I do notice in Ulster or further on, is the refereeing is totally different to what you are used too (good or bad)

Good prep would be to have games ref'd by the Ulster/national referee's in challenge games leading up to an Ulster run, Cargin have to gamble in that regard and should always be preparing for Ulster, rather than just winning Antrim, that may come across as being arrogant, but the reality is, at the minute, there isn't much to beat in Antrim.

Intercounty referee's are constantly being assessed, those assessments determine whether he gets another game, yellow cards that you wouldn't get in league games with 'normal' ref's will happen in the Ulster games.. 

They didnt, slaughtneil beat them in 2016.

Must have misread Spikes post..

[Hectic]

When did Killyclogher win?

What I do notice in Ulster or further on, is the refereeing is totally different to what you are used too (good or bad)

Good prep would be to have games ref'd by the Ulster/national referee's in challenge games leading up to an Ulster run, Cargin have to gamble in that regard and should always be preparing for Ulster, rather than just winning Antrim, that may come across as being arrogant, but the reality is, at the minute, there isn't much to beat in Antrim.

Intercounty referee's are constantly being assessed, those assessments determine whether he gets another game, yellow cards that you wouldn't get in league games with 'normal' ref's will happen in the Ulster games.. 

Yeah I am forever hearing about how our referees in Antrim are too fussy and it does not prepare us for the hard hits etc in Ulster.

I don't see that at all.  Referees in Ulster, if anything, seem to get sucked into giving a lot of soft frees and cards.

[Sportacus]

Cargin pushed Glen two years in a row.  Antrim pushed Meath in Croke Park.  I think St Paul's minors will do ok in their Ulster Tournament.  We're not world beaters but we're inching forward overall despite some seismic underage defeats.  Half a dozen clubs have worked very hard to push for the top and hopefully another half a dozen will follow suit.

[NorthAntrim]

Bit of belief possibly lacking amount antrim teams(cargin aside)

Glenravel looked overwhelmed whereas glenullin looked like seasoned campaigners(which i suppose they are) 1st half, along with Cargin missed too many kicks. Unsure how Fyfe never got a run at the county. Link up play is very good and can score easily

[Silver hill]

Oso, I appreciate your frustrations are very raw but you are presenting an entirely one-sided view of the game. Don't take that personally btw, we're all guilty of it and it's human nature to focus solely on what went against you.

I'm not from Cargin! Why would my frustrations be raw? I'm calling it as I see it.

I follow all Antrim teams in Ulster.  But the referring and the agenda today just wasn't good enough.

Then it's odd. Some things went against Cargin today but no doubt Glen have a lock of things they could point to as well.
I mean, you point out that Cargin missed a couple of scoreable frees in the first half but don't mention that Glen missed a bagful of scoreable chances in the same period.
The sending off of Tomas was unfortunate. My view on it was through a screen and I have seen the different replays. While those aren't great and render it somewhat inconclusive, it's definitely understandable how the ref could have viewed it as a raised elbow to the face. Whether that is 100% accurate or not, it's not a ridiculous decision.

We aren't talking about the same thing. You're referring to Glen player's taking on shots under pressure from areas they might not normally shoot from and about guys taking on the shots who aren't the reliable shooters.  I call that smart defence on cargin's part.

I'm referring to Cargin missing scoreable frees and possibly still being on par going in at HT a man down.

Cargin scored twice from play. Shivers had 2 frees that he should have nailed. Glen left another 5 easy scores from very kickable positions in the first half alone. It was a 4 point hammering.
Cargin just didn't show enough ambition going forward to win any of the two games. It was all about containment

[EOC1923]

Oso, I appreciate your frustrations are very raw but you are presenting an entirely one-sided view of the game. Don't take that personally btw, we're all guilty of it and it's human nature to focus solely on what went against you.

I'm not from Cargin! Why would my frustrations be raw? I'm calling it as I see it.

I follow all Antrim teams in Ulster.  But the referring and the agenda today just wasn't good enough.

Then it's odd. Some things went against Cargin today but no doubt Glen have a lock of things they could point to as well.
I mean, you point out that Cargin missed a couple of scoreable frees in the first half but don't mention that Glen missed a bagful of scoreable chances in the same period.
The sending off of Tomas was unfortunate. My view on it was through a screen and I have seen the different replays. While those aren't great and render it somewhat inconclusive, it's definitely understandable how the ref could have viewed it as a raised elbow to the face. Whether that is 100% accurate or not, it's not a ridiculous decision.

We aren't talking about the same thing. You're referring to Glen player's taking on shots under pressure from areas they might not normally shoot from and about guys taking on the shots who aren't the reliable shooters.  I call that smart defence on cargin's part.

I'm referring to Cargin missing scoreable frees and possibly still being on par going in at HT a man down.

Cargin scored twice from play. Shivers had 2 frees that he should have nailed. Glen left another 5 easy scores from very kickable positions in the first half alone. It was a 4 point hammering.
Cargin just didn't show enough ambition going forward to win any of the two games. It was all about containment

Four point hammering you say and yet  you feel the need to come on here and explain it, you don't think O Rourke would have liked to hammer Cargin last year and this year and would of done so if he could, like he did to Mfelt, Bellaghy and every other Derry team in the last 2-3 years?
Go and enjoy your victory and with the sort of protection Glen are getting from officials you will walk to an All Ireland title.

[WattyMan]

Haha, you Cargin boys are shocking.
Suppose every other team that beat you every other year were being protected too? 1 win in Ulster and you would swear your one of the top teams. If Glen wanted to hammer you, they would have. All we needed to do was beat you and move onto the next round, simple as that. Them lads are building for bigger challenges. Now just enjoy your Antrim championship and be happy with it, you were never gonna win Ulster

[EOC1923]

Haha, you Cargin boys are shocking.
Suppose every other team that beat you every other year were being protected too? 1 win in Ulster and you would swear your one of the top teams. If Glen wanted to hammer you, they would have. All we needed to do was beat you and move onto the next round, simple as that. Them lads are building for bigger challenges. Now just enjoy your Antrim championship and be happy with it, you were never gonna win Ulster

After all the success Glen have had and that's your first post on the discussion board, Jesus what an honour for Cargin 

[WattyMan]

Yep, I tend to just read the posts and see what's happening around the counties. But from reading this thread the past day, you would swear this game was stolen from you

[Oso]

Haha, you Cargin boys are shocking.
Suppose every other team that beat you every other year were being protected too? 1 win in Ulster and you would swear your one of the top teams. If Glen wanted to hammer you, they would have. All we needed to do was beat you and move onto the next round, simple as that. Them lads are building for bigger challenges. Now just enjoy your Antrim championship and be happy with it, you were never gonna win Ulster

Glen have had 2 goes at 'hammering' Cargin now and it hasn't materialised yet. Yesterday they couldn't manage it playing two thirds of the game with an extra man and Cargin unjustly having their best forward who'd started well sent off.  You may well hammer the rest of the Derry club teams, but maybe your much lauded club scene isn't just as good as you think it is.

Glen players lying around holding their heads after no contact (Tomas' red and John Carrons yellow) was a total embarrassment from Derrys best club team.  This from a team and a club who whinged like babies and wanted a replay for a guy not interfering with play on the pitch for a few seconds last season.  Class act on and off the pitch it seems!!!

Let's see how that building for bigger challenges goes. There will come a point when you're not the precieved big match favourite beforehand and you won't have a weak referee out is his depth pandering to you. 

[country bumpkin]

Haha, you Cargin boys are shocking.
Suppose every other team that beat you every other year were being protected too? 1 win in Ulster and you would swear your one of the top teams. If Glen wanted to hammer you, they would have. All we needed to do was beat you and move onto the next round, simple as that. Them lads are building for bigger challenges. Now just enjoy your Antrim championship and be happy with it, you were never gonna win Ulster

Glen have had 2 goes at 'hammering' Cargin now and it hasn't materialised yet. Yesterday they couldn't manage it playing two thirds of the game with an extra man and Cargin unjustly having their best forward who'd started well sent off.  You may well hammer the rest of the Derry club teams, but maybe your much lauded club scene isn't just as good as you think it is.

Glen players lying around holding their heads after no contact (Tomas' red and John Carrons yellow) was a total embarrassment from Derrys best club team.  This from a team and a club who whinged like babies and wanted a replay for a guy not interfering with play on the pitch for a few seconds last season.  Class act on and off the pitch it seems!!!

Let's see how that building for bigger challenges goes. There will come a point when you're not the precieved big match favourite beforehand and you won't have a weak referee out is his depth pandering to you.

Go easy on the Watty boy he has to finish his homework...
Sure his team have won an amazing 3 county titles and are chasing the likes of Bellaghy and Ballinderry.....who were real champions.

[the goal was on]

Haha, you Cargin boys are shocking.
Suppose every other team that beat you every other year were being protected too? 1 win in Ulster and you would swear your one of the top teams. If Glen wanted to hammer you, they would have. All we needed to do was beat you and move onto the next round, simple as that. Them lads are building for bigger challenges. Now just enjoy your Antrim championship and be happy with it, you were never gonna win Ulster

Glen have had 2 goes at 'hammering' Cargin now and it hasn't materialised yet. Yesterday they couldn't manage it playing two thirds of the game with an extra man and Cargin unjustly having their best forward who'd started well sent off.  You may well hammer the rest of the Derry club teams, but maybe your much lauded club scene isn't just as good as you think it is.

Glen players lying around holding their heads after no contact (Tomas' red and John Carrons yellow) was a total embarrassment from Derrys best club team.  This from a team and a club who whinged like babies and wanted a replay for a guy not interfering with play on the pitch for a few seconds last season.  Class act on and off the pitch it seems!!!

Let's see how that building for bigger challenges goes. There will come a point when you're not the precieved big match favourite beforehand and you won't have a weak referee out is his depth pandering to you.

Watched game back and whilst cargin are a good team, Glen could have won the game by 6/7 points . Had 3 good goal chances and could have had another from the throw in. They also kicked a lot of bad wides. Cargin kickout was there main weapon but glen did well on that. When cargin went short they struggled to get up the field into good scoring positions. Shivers in full forward offered very little. Looked like he was carrying an  injury as well?

[WattyMan]

As I said, we just needed to do enough, we had no need to go out and prove a point by hammering you. He was sent off for a dangerous tackle, end off. You can cry about it all you want, but that's a red card all day, you can't lead with the elbow. Our club scene is like everybody else's, there a top 2 or 3 teams and the there's the rest.

I'm not a fan of the holding heads and rolling around, but it's a part of the game regardless, every team in the country  is doing it. Cargin can act like they're playing the game the correct way, but in reality they've been out done and out smarted every time they step out of antrim.

Class act? I suppose McCann going to the Irish news to cry about his red card is a class act aswell then? You can say all.you want about how we handled our business earlier on in the year, but the GAA needed called out for they're incompetence.

No doubt we will come up against better teams at some point, but we'll give any team in Ireland a game. Were in a good place and we're enjoying it.

And as for the comment on Bellaghy and Ballinderry, you correct, they were great champions. Just like St.Galls were. You boys could only dream of replicating what they did. But we have a realistic chance of going all the way. Unlike Cargin.

Now away and see if any other papers will listen tom ye moan

[Silver hill]

Cargin learnt nothing from last year. What's the point it just trying to contain Glen? 2 points from play this year, similar last year. Why not have a cut if your players are as talented as you say they are? Some bit of whinging this year and last. If that's the height of your ambition; to limit Glen to a 4 point defeat, then you're never going to get past a first round in ulster. As for us, this is all new territory and we'll enjoy our moment on the sun as we know we'll fall back into the pack like every other club does. I'm enjoying the ride so far, we'll see where it ends. Not playing that well this year but just about doing enough. Our wide count yesterday is worrying as they were from good positions and under minimal pressure. We won't get away with that down the line. Scotstown looking like the firm team, that was a big scalp to take yesterday. 9 county players, jack mccarron now transferred in, they'll be hard to stop I think

[NorthAntrim]

Think cargin need to move on. It's done, poor decision but crying on twitter for an apology from the ref won't change a lot