Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row

[MayoBuck]

Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.

It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.

Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.

Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight

You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.

I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .

And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for  minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.

My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.

People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.

If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.

There are hardly any Kerry posters on this board. Have a look on HoganStand if you want to see them talk about it. As I pointed out in my previous post, those counties don't have any disadvantage in the Connacht/Munster championship bar population.

So investing in Dublin is fine but putting more coaches in the likes of Dundalk, Drogheda, Bray, Sligo and other soccer towns is money down the drain?

If county boards have plans/structures in place for what they would do with capital grants then no problem, but how many county boards would you trust to spend the money wisely?

So what you also saying is that if you're a small county it's tough luck. You have no chance of winning even a provincal title, but that's just life, deal with it. Dublin are better than all the contenders for the All Ireland at the moment but that is somehow a disgrace and GAA shouldit seems be ashamed for allowing this to happen

It's not a capital grant. Just move some of the full time coaches to areas of the country in need and try to increase the standards there. There is no money changing hands with county boards.

If players in smaller counties want a 2nd tier championship I've no problem with that but it's up to those players to ask.

[MayoBuck]

Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.

What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.

Are you factoring in the GAA talking over the 5 million debt of McHale stadium?

You mean the loan that is now being repaid in full with interest? 30,000 per month repayments, the majority of which is funded by the clubs.

[Lar Naparka]

Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.

What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.

Are you factoring in the GAA talking over the 5 million debt of McHale stadium?

There's no harm sticking with the facts.
The loan repayment schedule was altered, which is normal commercial practice but the loan has to be repaid in full. ASFAIK, no part of the loan was written down,

[Baile Brigín 2]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

[mup]

Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.

It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.

Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.

Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight

You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.

I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .

And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for  minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.

My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.

People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.

If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.

You don't hear Kerry moaning? I've heard them giving out about the finance imbalance plenty of times.

So are you trying to say that throwing money at Dublin didn't work? Are you saying there is no link to Dublin receiving financial backing and their recent successes? Are you John Horan?

[mup]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.

Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.

[highorlow]

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.

We would all love to have the standards that are set by Dublin. The problem is and the bullshit that is now been floundered by ex players from both Dublin and elsewhere is that it is up to every other county to now reach the standards set by Dublin.

Here is the Dublin 23 strong backroom team from a few years back. This is the standard Dublin have set within their backroom team.

How can amateur counties like Mayo, Galway, Kildare, Cork and the rest consistently compete with this set up? All other counties need the same financial backing as Dublin to have any chance


1. Jim Gavin (manager): Since taking over in 2012, the former Under-21 manager has won three All-Irelands, four Leinster titles and four Allianz Leagues.

2. Brian Doyle (sports administrator): Works with head of high performance Bryan Cullen (not pictured).

3. Ray Boyne (head of performance analysis): On and off, the Ulster Bank employee has been crunching numbers for Dublin teams since 2003.

4. Mick Deegan (selector): Gavin's right-hand man since 2012, he is the manager's voice on the sideline - passing instructions to the players.

5. Jonathan Courtney (backroom team): The former Sarsfields (Kildare) manager is a former colleague of Gavin's in the defence forces.

6. Niall Barry (physio): The chartered physiotherapist has also worked with Leinster Rugby, Cricket Ireland and Clontarf Rugby.

7. Chris Farrell (cameraman): Involved with Gavin's All-Ireland winning Under-21s in 2012, he shoots match footage for analysis.

8. Tony Boylan (logistics): Looks after the transport of all kit and equipment.

9. Davy Byrne (goalkeeping coach): The former Dublin player has the happy task of honing the skills of Stephen Cluxton - who already held the number 1 shirt when Byrne retired in 2002.

10. James Cullen (physio): Working with the Dublin footballers since 2007, he also treats the Irish rugby team having previously been with Leinster for eight years.

11. Shane O'Hanlon (selector): The St Vincent's man is with Gavin since the Under-21 days and has been described by the manager as his 'operations manager'.

12. Jason Sherlock (forwards coach): The former 'Darling of the Hill' was a team-mate of Gavin's and has been working with the attackers for the past two years.

13. Declan Darcy (selector): Famously captained Leitrim to a Connacht title in 1994 before returning to his native Dublin. He and Deegan work mostly with the defenders in training.

14. Jim Gavin senior (backroom team): Provider of fatherly advice to the manager.

15. Bernard Dunne (lifestyle coach): Involved since 2013, the former WBA super bantamweight champion has described his role as "helping Jim in any way I can".

16. David Boylan (logistics): A son of Tony, he assists with the transport of Dublin's matchday equipment.

17. Daniel Davey (nutritionist): Like other members of the backroom team, Davey also works with Leinster Rugby. The former Sligo footballer tells them what to eat and when to eat.

18. Anne-Marie Kennedy (yoga teacher): Involved since 2013, Kennedy helps the players with breathing techniques and their mobility.

19. Mick Seavers (Dublin county board vice-chairman): The Erin's Isle man was elected in 2015.

20. Kieran O'Reilly (physio): Having previously worked with rugby and soccer professionals, O'Reilly is currently also involved with the Irish cricket team.

21. Frank Roebuck (stats): A clubmate of Gavin's at Round Towers, he assists Boyne in analysing the game data gathered.

22. Seamus McCormack (media manager): The former Erin's Isle footballer brings his Air Corps background to bare as he helps control the huge interest in Gavin and his team.

23. Ciaran O'Malley (doctor): Looks after the matchday medical needs of the squad.




http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32760-who-s-in-mayo-s-backroom-team

[weareros]

Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.

What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.

Are you factoring in the GAA talking over the 5 million debt of McHale stadium?

There's no harm sticking with the facts.
The loan repayment schedule was altered, which is normal commercial practice but the loan has to be repaid in full. ASFAIK, no part of the loan was written down,

The new terms still saved Mayo 5 million over the coarse of the loan. That's still financial help. When we got in debt, there was no bailout from HQ for us. Thankfully a local business man helped.

[Baile Brigín 2]

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.

We would all love to have the standards that are set by Dublin. The problem is and the bullshit that is now been floundered by ex players from both Dublin and elsewhere is that it is up to every other county to now reach the standards set by Dublin.

Here is the Dublin 23 strong backroom team from a few years back. This is the standard Dublin have set within their backroom team.

How can amateur counties like Mayo, Galway, Kildare, Cork and the rest consistently compete with this set up? All other counties need the same financial backing as Dublin to have any chance


1. Jim Gavin (manager): Since taking over in 2012, the former Under-21 manager has won three All-Irelands, four Leinster titles and four Allianz Leagues.

2. Brian Doyle (sports administrator): Works with head of high performance Bryan Cullen (not pictured).

3. Ray Boyne (head of performance analysis): On and off, the Ulster Bank employee has been crunching numbers for Dublin teams since 2003.

4. Mick Deegan (selector): Gavin's right-hand man since 2012, he is the manager's voice on the sideline - passing instructions to the players.

5. Jonathan Courtney (backroom team): The former Sarsfields (Kildare) manager is a former colleague of Gavin's in the defence forces.

6. Niall Barry (physio): The chartered physiotherapist has also worked with Leinster Rugby, Cricket Ireland and Clontarf Rugby.

7. Chris Farrell (cameraman): Involved with Gavin's All-Ireland winning Under-21s in 2012, he shoots match footage for analysis.

8. Tony Boylan (logistics): Looks after the transport of all kit and equipment.

9. Davy Byrne (goalkeeping coach): The former Dublin player has the happy task of honing the skills of Stephen Cluxton - who already held the number 1 shirt when Byrne retired in 2002.

10. James Cullen (physio): Working with the Dublin footballers since 2007, he also treats the Irish rugby team having previously been with Leinster for eight years.

11. Shane O'Hanlon (selector): The St Vincent's man is with Gavin since the Under-21 days and has been described by the manager as his 'operations manager'.

12. Jason Sherlock (forwards coach): The former 'Darling of the Hill' was a team-mate of Gavin's and has been working with the attackers for the past two years.

13. Declan Darcy (selector): Famously captained Leitrim to a Connacht title in 1994 before returning to his native Dublin. He and Deegan work mostly with the defenders in training.

14. Jim Gavin senior (backroom team): Provider of fatherly advice to the manager.

15. Bernard Dunne (lifestyle coach): Involved since 2013, the former WBA super bantamweight champion has described his role as "helping Jim in any way I can".

16. David Boylan (logistics): A son of Tony, he assists with the transport of Dublin's matchday equipment.

17. Daniel Davey (nutritionist): Like other members of the backroom team, Davey also works with Leinster Rugby. The former Sligo footballer tells them what to eat and when to eat.

18. Anne-Marie Kennedy (yoga teacher): Involved since 2013, Kennedy helps the players with breathing techniques and their mobility.

19. Mick Seavers (Dublin county board vice-chairman): The Erin's Isle man was elected in 2015.

20. Kieran O'Reilly (physio): Having previously worked with rugby and soccer professionals, O'Reilly is currently also involved with the Irish cricket team.

21. Frank Roebuck (stats): A clubmate of Gavin's at Round Towers, he assists Boyne in analysing the game data gathered.

22. Seamus McCormack (media manager): The former Erin's Isle footballer brings his Air Corps background to bare as he helps control the huge interest in Gavin and his team.

23. Ciaran O'Malley (doctor): Looks after the matchday medical needs of the squad.




http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32760-who-s-in-mayo-s-backroom-team

So Dublin invented the big backroom? Almost all worked for free. Absolute nonsense.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.

Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.

But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.

Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.

[seafoid]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.

Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.

But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.

Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.

The money greases the machine

EUR 1.3 m from the GAA
Same again raised by clubs
EUR 1m or so from AIG

Dublin has around 25% of the population of the whole island and the money goes into a team of 15 players.
No other county has that sort of earning power. Why the GAA is exacerbating the problem is the big question.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gate-receipts-and-attendances-for-football-championship-slid-alarmingly-in-2018-despite-the-introduction-of-the-super-8s-37788169.html

1.  "On the vexed question of Games Development grants, Dublin continue to secure a lion share of the €9.6m paid out directly to counties.
Dublin received €1.3m – an increase on last year's figure of £1.2m. Meath were the next biggest recipients with €367,400 but Cork – which has more registered GAA teams than any other county – received just €249,000."


"Permitting increased commercial activity has also been strongly to the advantage of bigger counties and especially Dublin, who have secured a number of blue-chip partnerships, including the current one with sports-sponsorship mega-brand AIG"

[mup]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.

Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.

But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.

Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.

'Simply raise it'. FFS you are unreal. Most counties are doing their damnedest to raise it. Dublin don't have up.

[dublin7]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.

Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.

But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.

Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.

'Simply raise it'. FFS you are unreal. Most counties are doing their damnedest to raise it. Dublin don't have up.

Dublin player's have to fundraise for their holiday just like other teams. They hold corporate lunches/dinners just like other teams to raise funds. Everyone seems to have this myopic, closed minded view that all money the dubs get from the GAA is going straight to the senior inter county team when it just isn't true.

I assume this point of view means they don't have to accept to simple fact that dublin are just the best team in the country

[supersarsfields]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

I think that's burying your head in the sand though. The reality is that Dublin have by far the largest population. Logically they will have the largest pool of footballers with the potential to step up. In the past they haven't had the structures needed to be able to bring that talent through and develop it. They now have the best structure in the country (Fair play) coupled with the largest talent pool by far. Logic would dictate that they will continually have the best team. It really is as simple as that.
I don't know why the Dubs have such as issue with that. It's not undermining their achievements, which have been fantastic. It's just pointing out that logically they will continually have the best team in the country by a long way most years. And they may lose 1 every 4-5 years but I expect that to be the ratio going forward. And if that is the case, would the Dubs accept that something needs to change for the good of the game? And if so, when would you expect that to happen? if there's 8 in 10 years, or 12 in 15 years? What would be the trigger point for the Dubs to say, Yes there's a problem. because I can't imagine that there will be much appetite for the 8 IAR when most of the rest of the country will have tuned out.

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But we don't have the largers playing pool...

I don't think you really get how far behind soccer most of Dublin is on playing numbers