Man Utd Thread:

[HiMucker]

Utd have spent plenty of money. Financial backing to me hasn't been a problem.
They've made a few big mistakes in the hiring process. Signing Sanchez. Hiring OGS. Letting Lukaku go without a replacement. Hiring Mourinho and not backing him (some will say he cooked his goose signing Sanchez. I do not believe this was his doing based solely on my opinion).
A few important positions have a huge effect on a club. Look at Klopp. People talk about all the players he brought in but the real transformation started since the GK and CH. Before that the GK situation and defense was a real nightmare for the club and undoing some of their brilliant attacking play.
There are no mug teams in the PL. If you pass up too many scoring chances you will get beat, even by the lesser teams. Conceding is a fact of life but is only compounded at the other end. CF is a massive position, a leading position. In terms of hold up play, taking pressure off defense, roughing up and getting roughed up by the opposition big men, bringing others into play and dealing with the pressure and physical demands of being expected to score every week. It takes a brute of a man to do this at a top club. Utd let their brute go and went with unproven kids. Blame Woodward, the owner, the bean counters blah blah blah but OGS is in charge of footballing matters and let this happen. It was his job to kick up a stink and impress on non footballing executive men last summer that this is a non runner for a big club.
So I don't know how people can say a world class manager wouldn't do things different or make a difference. To me it looks simpler and all the bed wetting I hear in the media of clear-outs, spending another billion etc is a bit OTT. There's over half a billion of footballing talent there already. Get a top class manager in, get a bloody centre forward, get a formation that kinda works and then see what signings are needed and who is surplus.

Man City or Liverpool dont have a player like this and seem to be doing ok?

Yes they do. They might not be big burly brutes but they are freaks. You cannot hold up and turn PL defenders without exceptional physical attributes and you cannot last a season without exceptional physical conditioning.

Ok so the top two teams in the PL dont have big brutes so to be one of the top teams you dont have to go down that route.

Exceptional physical condition should be a given at that level

I didn't say big brutes. A brute can be small. Conditioning does not equal fitness. Conditioning is obtained over years. Playing CF is the toughest role in a team and to lead the line for a top club takes exceptional physical and mental endurance. Utd threw out theirs and went with a kid. A proper manager would not start a season like has happened at Utd.

So who is the brute that plays up front in the Man City or Liverpool team?

Aguero, sterling,Mane and Salah are all strong as bulls. Their hold play is exceptional. A lot better than the vast majority of big men that has played up top in the premier league. I think
thats Look it Ups point.

[laoislad]

Which trio has scored more goals this season: Salah, Mané and Firmino or Rashford, Martial and Greenwood?

What's the answer now?

[oakleaflad]

Utd have spent plenty of money. Financial backing to me hasn't been a problem.
They've made a few big mistakes in the hiring process. Signing Sanchez. Hiring OGS. Letting Lukaku go without a replacement. Hiring Mourinho and not backing him (some will say he cooked his goose signing Sanchez. I do not believe this was his doing based solely on my opinion).
A few important positions have a huge effect on a club. Look at Klopp. People talk about all the players he brought in but the real transformation started since the GK and CH. Before that the GK situation and defense was a real nightmare for the club and undoing some of their brilliant attacking play.
There are no mug teams in the PL. If you pass up too many scoring chances you will get beat, even by the lesser teams. Conceding is a fact of life but is only compounded at the other end. CF is a massive position, a leading position. In terms of hold up play, taking pressure off defense, roughing up and getting roughed up by the opposition big men, bringing others into play and dealing with the pressure and physical demands of being expected to score every week. It takes a brute of a man to do this at a top club. Utd let their brute go and went with unproven kids. Blame Woodward, the owner, the bean counters blah blah blah but OGS is in charge of footballing matters and let this happen. It was his job to kick up a stink and impress on non footballing executive men last summer that this is a non runner for a big club.
So I don't know how people can say a world class manager wouldn't do things different or make a difference. To me it looks simpler and all the bed wetting I hear in the media of clear-outs, spending another billion etc is a bit OTT. There's over half a billion of footballing talent there already. Get a top class manager in, get a bloody centre forward, get a formation that kinda works and then see what signings are needed and who is surplus.

Man City or Liverpool dont have a player like this and seem to be doing ok?

Yes they do. They might not be big burly brutes but they are freaks. You cannot hold up and turn PL defenders without exceptional physical attributes and you cannot last a season without exceptional physical conditioning.

Ok so the top two teams in the PL dont have big brutes so to be one of the top teams you dont have to go down that route.

Exceptional physical condition should be a given at that level

I didn't say big brutes. A brute can be small. Conditioning does not equal fitness. Conditioning is obtained over years. Playing CF is the toughest role in a team and to lead the line for a top club takes exceptional physical and mental endurance. Utd threw out theirs and went with a kid. A proper manager would not start a season like has happened at Utd.

So who is the brute that plays up front in the Man City or Liverpool team?

Aguero, sterling,Mane and Salah are all strong as bulls. Their hold play is exceptional. A lot better than the vast majority of big men that has played up top in the premier league. I think
thats Look it Ups point.

Rashford is probably stronger than all of those listed and Martial is at probably as strong as Sterling, Mane or Salah too.

[rodney trotter]

In fairness Ferdinand was asked about that clip after the PSG game, and said he was caught up in the emotion like a fan. He is a bit excitable at times, but would be worth seeing if he would improve United with transfers etc.. He's the only one from the club that shown a interest in becoming a DOF at United.

[magpie seanie]

Which trio has scored more goals this season: Salah, Mané and Firmino or Rashford, Martial and Greenwood?

What's the answer now?

Obsessed.

Can you not just enjoy your own sides historically good run and the prospect of a first post backpass rule championship?

[laoislad]

Pretty sure I can enjoy both 

[Look-Up!]

Utd have spent plenty of money. Financial backing to me hasn't been a problem.
They've made a few big mistakes in the hiring process. Signing Sanchez. Hiring OGS. Letting Lukaku go without a replacement. Hiring Mourinho and not backing him (some will say he cooked his goose signing Sanchez. I do not believe this was his doing based solely on my opinion).
A few important positions have a huge effect on a club. Look at Klopp. People talk about all the players he brought in but the real transformation started since the GK and CH. Before that the GK situation and defense was a real nightmare for the club and undoing some of their brilliant attacking play.
There are no mug teams in the PL. If you pass up too many scoring chances you will get beat, even by the lesser teams. Conceding is a fact of life but is only compounded at the other end. CF is a massive position, a leading position. In terms of hold up play, taking pressure off defense, roughing up and getting roughed up by the opposition big men, bringing others into play and dealing with the pressure and physical demands of being expected to score every week. It takes a brute of a man to do this at a top club. Utd let their brute go and went with unproven kids. Blame Woodward, the owner, the bean counters blah blah blah but OGS is in charge of footballing matters and let this happen. It was his job to kick up a stink and impress on non footballing executive men last summer that this is a non runner for a big club.
So I don't know how people can say a world class manager wouldn't do things different or make a difference. To me it looks simpler and all the bed wetting I hear in the media of clear-outs, spending another billion etc is a bit OTT. There's over half a billion of footballing talent there already. Get a top class manager in, get a bloody centre forward, get a formation that kinda works and then see what signings are needed and who is surplus.

Man City or Liverpool dont have a player like this and seem to be doing ok?

Yes they do. They might not be big burly brutes but they are freaks. You cannot hold up and turn PL defenders without exceptional physical attributes and you cannot last a season without exceptional physical conditioning.

Ok so the top two teams in the PL dont have big brutes so to be one of the top teams you dont have to go down that route.

Exceptional physical condition should be a given at that level

I didn't say big brutes. A brute can be small. Conditioning does not equal fitness. Conditioning is obtained over years. Playing CF is the toughest role in a team and to lead the line for a top club takes exceptional physical and mental endurance. Utd threw out theirs and went with a kid. A proper manager would not start a season like has happened at Utd.

So who is the brute that plays up front in the Man City or Liverpool team?

Aguero, sterling,Mane and Salah are all strong as bulls. Their hold play is exceptional. A lot better than the vast majority of big men that has played up top in the premier league. I think
thats Look it Ups point.

Rashford is probably stronger than all of those listed and Martial is at probably as strong as Sterling, Mane or Salah too.

Rashford is a kid with a double fracture in his back. People on here seem very confused with the difference between fitness, strength and conditioning.
And comparing Martial's hold up play to those other players??? He is not interested like those guys.

[Cunny Funt]

In fairness Ferdinand was asked about that clip after the PSG game, and said he was caught up in the emotion like a fan. He is a bit excitable at times, but would be worth seeing if he would improve United with transfers etc.. He's the only one from the club that shown a interest in becoming a DOF at United.

The role of a DOF needs to be someone that has pervious experience and he doesn't have to be a former player. I think bringing in the likes of Rio or Fletcher they will become nothing more than another PR puppet while Woodward will remain in strong control over each transfers and player contract.

At the moment Woodward is haggling over the price tag of Bruno Fernandes if he wasn't such a idiot when it comes to football matters clubs wouldn't overvalue their players when he comes calling.

To get champions league football for next season via 4th in the league or winning the EL 2 quality players at least are needed to be signed or loaned in during this transfer window, probably 3 now with the long term Rashford injury and its looking more likely the transfer window will be closed without bringing anyone in. Thats on the board and Woodward if they don't do the required business in the next week, worst of all if they fail they will use Ole as a puppet to tell the media that he's happy with his squad and players coming back from injury will be like new signings.

[Look-Up!]

In fairness Ferdinand was asked about that clip after the PSG game, and said he was caught up in the emotion like a fan. He is a bit excitable at times, but would be worth seeing if he would improve United with transfers etc.. He's the only one from the club that shown a interest in becoming a DOF at United.

The role of a DOF needs to be someone that has pervious experience and he doesn't have to be a former player. I think bringing in the likes of Rio or Fletcher they will become nothing more than another PR puppet while Woodward will remain in strong control over each transfers and player contract.

At the moment Woodward is haggling over the price tag of Bruno Fernandes if he wasn't such a idiot when it comes to football matters clubs wouldn't overvalue their players when he comes calling.

To get champions league football for next season via 4th in the league or winning the EL 2 quality players at least are needed to be signed or loaned in during this transfer window, probably 3 now with the long term Rashford injury and its looking more likely the transfer window will be closed without bringing anyone in. Thats on the board and Woodward if they don't do the required business in the next week, worst of all if they fail they will use Ole as a puppet to tell the media that he's happy with his squad and players coming back from injury will be like new signings.

Read a bit about that. Seems they reneged on a £55m agreement and dropped the offer to £42m. Looks like they got wind Sporting are in need of cash before the end of month. The double whammy is that apparently there is a clause in Fernandes's contract that if there is an offer of £42m for him, regardless if the deal is concluded or not, the agent gets £4m from Sporting, money they don't have.
This looks like an extremely scummy move from Utd and clearly are in cahoots with the agent trying to rip Sporting off behind the scenes. If that's really how they go about their business I hope they get absolutely raped by agents over the next few windows and they blow another few billion.

[snoopdog]

In fairness Ferdinand was asked about that clip after the PSG game, and said he was caught up in the emotion like a fan. He is a bit excitable at times, but would be worth seeing if he would improve United with transfers etc.. He's the only one from the club that shown a interest in becoming a DOF at United.

The role of a DOF needs to be someone that has pervious experience and he doesn't have to be a former player. I think bringing in the likes of Rio or Fletcher they will become nothing more than another PR puppet while Woodward will remain in strong control over each transfers and player contract.

At the moment Woodward is haggling over the price tag of Bruno Fernandes if he wasn't such a idiot when it comes to football matters clubs wouldn't overvalue their players when he comes calling.

To get champions league football for next season via 4th in the league or winning the EL 2 quality players at least are needed to be signed or loaned in during this transfer window, probably 3 now with the long term Rashford injury and its looking more likely the transfer window will be closed without bringing anyone in. Thats on the board and Woodward if they don't do the required business in the next week, worst of all if they fail they will use Ole as a puppet to tell the media that he's happy with his squad and players coming back from injury will be like new signings.

agree with all of that. No way should Rio be the DOF.  Someone with experience and a track record is what's required.  Woodward needs to be taken out of the equation.

[Taylor]

Utd have spent plenty of money. Financial backing to me hasn't been a problem.
They've made a few big mistakes in the hiring process. Signing Sanchez. Hiring OGS. Letting Lukaku go without a replacement. Hiring Mourinho and not backing him (some will say he cooked his goose signing Sanchez. I do not believe this was his doing based solely on my opinion).
A few important positions have a huge effect on a club. Look at Klopp. People talk about all the players he brought in but the real transformation started since the GK and CH. Before that the GK situation and defense was a real nightmare for the club and undoing some of their brilliant attacking play.
There are no mug teams in the PL. If you pass up too many scoring chances you will get beat, even by the lesser teams. Conceding is a fact of life but is only compounded at the other end. CF is a massive position, a leading position. In terms of hold up play, taking pressure off defense, roughing up and getting roughed up by the opposition big men, bringing others into play and dealing with the pressure and physical demands of being expected to score every week. It takes a brute of a man to do this at a top club. Utd let their brute go and went with unproven kids. Blame Woodward, the owner, the bean counters blah blah blah but OGS is in charge of footballing matters and let this happen. It was his job to kick up a stink and impress on non footballing executive men last summer that this is a non runner for a big club.
So I don't know how people can say a world class manager wouldn't do things different or make a difference. To me it looks simpler and all the bed wetting I hear in the media of clear-outs, spending another billion etc is a bit OTT. There's over half a billion of footballing talent there already. Get a top class manager in, get a bloody centre forward, get a formation that kinda works and then see what signings are needed and who is surplus.

Man City or Liverpool dont have a player like this and seem to be doing ok?

Yes they do. They might not be big burly brutes but they are freaks. You cannot hold up and turn PL defenders without exceptional physical attributes and you cannot last a season without exceptional physical conditioning.

Ok so the top two teams in the PL dont have big brutes so to be one of the top teams you dont have to go down that route.

Exceptional physical condition should be a given at that level

I didn't say big brutes. A brute can be small. Conditioning does not equal fitness. Conditioning is obtained over years. Playing CF is the toughest role in a team and to lead the line for a top club takes exceptional physical and mental endurance. Utd threw out theirs and went with a kid. A proper manager would not start a season like has happened at Utd.

So who is the brute that plays up front in the Man City or Liverpool team?

Aguero, sterling,Mane and Salah are all strong as bulls. Their hold play is exceptional. A lot better than the vast majority of big men that has played up top in the premier league. I think
thats Look it Ups point.

Rashford is probably stronger than all of those listed and Martial is at probably as strong as Sterling, Mane or Salah too.

Rashford is a kid with a double fracture in his back. People on here seem very confused with the difference between fitness, strength and conditioning.
And comparing Martial's hold up play to those other players??? He is not interested like those guys.

Have to pull you up on this.

You said Utd let their brute go - that someone who will rough up the opposition and are brutes (among other things) is needed.

The top two teams dont have anything of the sort.

To put Sterling, Salah, Mane even close to this bracket is laughable at best.

City & Liverpool are hard working ball playing teams with no brutes

[Look-Up!]

Utd have spent plenty of money. Financial backing to me hasn't been a problem.
They've made a few big mistakes in the hiring process. Signing Sanchez. Hiring OGS. Letting Lukaku go without a replacement. Hiring Mourinho and not backing him (some will say he cooked his goose signing Sanchez. I do not believe this was his doing based solely on my opinion).
A few important positions have a huge effect on a club. Look at Klopp. People talk about all the players he brought in but the real transformation started since the GK and CH. Before that the GK situation and defense was a real nightmare for the club and undoing some of their brilliant attacking play.
There are no mug teams in the PL. If you pass up too many scoring chances you will get beat, even by the lesser teams. Conceding is a fact of life but is only compounded at the other end. CF is a massive position, a leading position. In terms of hold up play, taking pressure off defense, roughing up and getting roughed up by the opposition big men, bringing others into play and dealing with the pressure and physical demands of being expected to score every week. It takes a brute of a man to do this at a top club. Utd let their brute go and went with unproven kids. Blame Woodward, the owner, the bean counters blah blah blah but OGS is in charge of footballing matters and let this happen. It was his job to kick up a stink and impress on non footballing executive men last summer that this is a non runner for a big club.
So I don't know how people can say a world class manager wouldn't do things different or make a difference. To me it looks simpler and all the bed wetting I hear in the media of clear-outs, spending another billion etc is a bit OTT. There's over half a billion of footballing talent there already. Get a top class manager in, get a bloody centre forward, get a formation that kinda works and then see what signings are needed and who is surplus.

Man City or Liverpool dont have a player like this and seem to be doing ok?

Yes they do. They might not be big burly brutes but they are freaks. You cannot hold up and turn PL defenders without exceptional physical attributes and you cannot last a season without exceptional physical conditioning.

Ok so the top two teams in the PL dont have big brutes so to be one of the top teams you dont have to go down that route.

Exceptional physical condition should be a given at that level

I didn't say big brutes. A brute can be small. Conditioning does not equal fitness. Conditioning is obtained over years. Playing CF is the toughest role in a team and to lead the line for a top club takes exceptional physical and mental endurance. Utd threw out theirs and went with a kid. A proper manager would not start a season like has happened at Utd.

So who is the brute that plays up front in the Man City or Liverpool team?

Aguero, sterling,Mane and Salah are all strong as bulls. Their hold play is exceptional. A lot better than the vast majority of big men that has played up top in the premier league. I think
thats Look it Ups point.

Rashford is probably stronger than all of those listed and Martial is at probably as strong as Sterling, Mane or Salah too.

Rashford is a kid with a double fracture in his back. People on here seem very confused with the difference between fitness, strength and conditioning.
And comparing Martial's hold up play to those other players??? He is not interested like those guys.

Have to pull you up on this.

You said Utd let their brute go - that someone who will rough up the opposition and are brutes (among other things) is needed.

The top two teams dont have anything of the sort.

To put Sterling, Salah, Mane even close to this bracket is laughable at best.

City & Liverpool are hard working ball playing teams with no brutes

CF is a brutal position. You are leading the line generally against the biggest hardest c**ts on the opposition team. It is extremely physical and rough. If you cannot handle the rough stuff you will not survive. And it takes a long time to condition yourself to last a full season and not break down.
Only thing laughable is to compare anything Utd have in this position to the top teams. Why do you think Martial sulks so much. Or do you think opposition teams go easy on the top CFs. No they don't but those guys don't sulk or give the opposition the satisfaction of getting inside their heads. They have the stomach for the physiological battle and get inside defenders' heads instead.

[Taylor]

Utd have spent plenty of money. Financial backing to me hasn't been a problem.
They've made a few big mistakes in the hiring process. Signing Sanchez. Hiring OGS. Letting Lukaku go without a replacement. Hiring Mourinho and not backing him (some will say he cooked his goose signing Sanchez. I do not believe this was his doing based solely on my opinion).
A few important positions have a huge effect on a club. Look at Klopp. People talk about all the players he brought in but the real transformation started since the GK and CH. Before that the GK situation and defense was a real nightmare for the club and undoing some of their brilliant attacking play.
There are no mug teams in the PL. If you pass up too many scoring chances you will get beat, even by the lesser teams. Conceding is a fact of life but is only compounded at the other end. CF is a massive position, a leading position. In terms of hold up play, taking pressure off defense, roughing up and getting roughed up by the opposition big men, bringing others into play and dealing with the pressure and physical demands of being expected to score every week. It takes a brute of a man to do this at a top club. Utd let their brute go and went with unproven kids. Blame Woodward, the owner, the bean counters blah blah blah but OGS is in charge of footballing matters and let this happen. It was his job to kick up a stink and impress on non footballing executive men last summer that this is a non runner for a big club.
So I don't know how people can say a world class manager wouldn't do things different or make a difference. To me it looks simpler and all the bed wetting I hear in the media of clear-outs, spending another billion etc is a bit OTT. There's over half a billion of footballing talent there already. Get a top class manager in, get a bloody centre forward, get a formation that kinda works and then see what signings are needed and who is surplus.

Man City or Liverpool dont have a player like this and seem to be doing ok?

Yes they do. They might not be big burly brutes but they are freaks. You cannot hold up and turn PL defenders without exceptional physical attributes and you cannot last a season without exceptional physical conditioning.

Ok so the top two teams in the PL dont have big brutes so to be one of the top teams you dont have to go down that route.

Exceptional physical condition should be a given at that level

I didn't say big brutes. A brute can be small. Conditioning does not equal fitness. Conditioning is obtained over years. Playing CF is the toughest role in a team and to lead the line for a top club takes exceptional physical and mental endurance. Utd threw out theirs and went with a kid. A proper manager would not start a season like has happened at Utd.

So who is the brute that plays up front in the Man City or Liverpool team?

Aguero, sterling,Mane and Salah are all strong as bulls. Their hold play is exceptional. A lot better than the vast majority of big men that has played up top in the premier league. I think
thats Look it Ups point.

Rashford is probably stronger than all of those listed and Martial is at probably as strong as Sterling, Mane or Salah too.

Rashford is a kid with a double fracture in his back. People on here seem very confused with the difference between fitness, strength and conditioning.
And comparing Martial's hold up play to those other players??? He is not interested like those guys.

Have to pull you up on this.

You said Utd let their brute go - that someone who will rough up the opposition and are brutes (among other things) is needed.

The top two teams dont have anything of the sort.

To put Sterling, Salah, Mane even close to this bracket is laughable at best.

City & Liverpool are hard working ball playing teams with no brutes

CF is a brutal position. You are leading the line generally against the biggest hardest c**ts on the opposition team. It is extremely physical and rough. If you cannot handle the rough stuff you will not survive. And it takes a long time to condition yourself to last a full season and not break down.
Only thing laughable is to compare anything Utd have in this position to the top teams. Why do you think Martial sulks so much. Or do you think opposition teams go easy on the top CFs. No they don't but those guys don't sulk or give the opposition the satisfaction of getting inside their heads. They have the stomach for the physiological battle and get inside defenders' heads instead.

No idea why Martial is sulking however I do know it doesnt take a brute of a CF to be successful as the best two teams in the PL have shown

[toby47]

Strikers Odion Ighalo and Islam Slimani are loan targets for Manchester United following Marcus Rashford's injury.

Former Watford forward Ighalo is with Chinese club Shanghai Shenhua and has two years left on his contract while Slimani is on loan at Monaco from Leicester.

Nigeria international Ighalo scored 17 goals in 55 Premier League appearances for the Hornets before securing a move to Chinese League One in 2017.

Slimani has 13 goals in 46 appearances for his parent club Leicester but has been loaned out to Newcastle, Fenerbahce and Monaco since his arrival at the King Power Stadium in 2016 from Sporting Lisbon.

After their 2-0 defeat to Burnley at Old Trafford in midweek, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer indicated that the club are in need of 'quality' signings, with Paul Pogba as well as Rashford currently sidelined.

[Look-Up!]

Utd have spent plenty of money. Financial backing to me hasn't been a problem.
They've made a few big mistakes in the hiring process. Signing Sanchez. Hiring OGS. Letting Lukaku go without a replacement. Hiring Mourinho and not backing him (some will say he cooked his goose signing Sanchez. I do not believe this was his doing based solely on my opinion).
A few important positions have a huge effect on a club. Look at Klopp. People talk about all the players he brought in but the real transformation started since the GK and CH. Before that the GK situation and defense was a real nightmare for the club and undoing some of their brilliant attacking play.
There are no mug teams in the PL. If you pass up too many scoring chances you will get beat, even by the lesser teams. Conceding is a fact of life but is only compounded at the other end. CF is a massive position, a leading position. In terms of hold up play, taking pressure off defense, roughing up and getting roughed up by the opposition big men, bringing others into play and dealing with the pressure and physical demands of being expected to score every week. It takes a brute of a man to do this at a top club. Utd let their brute go and went with unproven kids. Blame Woodward, the owner, the bean counters blah blah blah but OGS is in charge of footballing matters and let this happen. It was his job to kick up a stink and impress on non footballing executive men last summer that this is a non runner for a big club.
So I don't know how people can say a world class manager wouldn't do things different or make a difference. To me it looks simpler and all the bed wetting I hear in the media of clear-outs, spending another billion etc is a bit OTT. There's over half a billion of footballing talent there already. Get a top class manager in, get a bloody centre forward, get a formation that kinda works and then see what signings are needed and who is surplus.

Man City or Liverpool dont have a player like this and seem to be doing ok?

Yes they do. They might not be big burly brutes but they are freaks. You cannot hold up and turn PL defenders without exceptional physical attributes and you cannot last a season without exceptional physical conditioning.

Ok so the top two teams in the PL dont have big brutes so to be one of the top teams you dont have to go down that route.

Exceptional physical condition should be a given at that level

I didn't say big brutes. A brute can be small. Conditioning does not equal fitness. Conditioning is obtained over years. Playing CF is the toughest role in a team and to lead the line for a top club takes exceptional physical and mental endurance. Utd threw out theirs and went with a kid. A proper manager would not start a season like has happened at Utd.

So who is the brute that plays up front in the Man City or Liverpool team?

Aguero, sterling,Mane and Salah are all strong as bulls. Their hold play is exceptional. A lot better than the vast majority of big men that has played up top in the premier league. I think
thats Look it Ups point.

Rashford is probably stronger than all of those listed and Martial is at probably as strong as Sterling, Mane or Salah too.

Rashford is a kid with a double fracture in his back. People on here seem very confused with the difference between fitness, strength and conditioning.
And comparing Martial's hold up play to those other players??? He is not interested like those guys.

Have to pull you up on this.

You said Utd let their brute go - that someone who will rough up the opposition and are brutes (among other things) is needed.

The top two teams dont have anything of the sort.

To put Sterling, Salah, Mane even close to this bracket is laughable at best.

City & Liverpool are hard working ball playing teams with no brutes

CF is a brutal position. You are leading the line generally against the biggest hardest c**ts on the opposition team. It is extremely physical and rough. If you cannot handle the rough stuff you will not survive. And it takes a long time to condition yourself to last a full season and not break down.
Only thing laughable is to compare anything Utd have in this position to the top teams. Why do you think Martial sulks so much. Or do you think opposition teams go easy on the top CFs. No they don't but those guys don't sulk or give the opposition the satisfaction of getting inside their heads. They have the stomach for the physiological battle and get inside defenders' heads instead.

No idea why Martial is sulking however I do know it doesnt take a brute of a CF to be successful as the best two teams in the PL have shown

You're starting to get tedious now. I think I've explained as much as I can what i mean by brute. If you keep seeing a big hairy burly man then that's your business.