Westminster Election 12th December 2019

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trailer

Quote from: five points on November 12, 2019, 01:56:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 12, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 12, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Corbyn doesn't help himself with his latest tweet in support of McDonalds staff wanting £15 an hour. Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.

For the many, not the Jews
Nobody mentioned antisemitism in Labour until 2015 when Corbyn became leader. Israel runs apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank and young people have turned against it because of the human rights abuses. This was a huge shock to the Zionist elite in the UK who thought that UK support for whatever Israel did was guaranteed. All of the major Zionists orgs in the UK went after Corbyn.
Sanders in the US has equated antisemitism to the oppression of the Palestinians. Things are changing and Zionists don't like it.

There is no apartheid in Gaza or the West Bank. Israel doesn't even run Gaza, with its luxury hotels (check Booking.com), shopping, apartments and world class beach. Your "zionist elite" and "zionists don't like it" barbs fall within the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism.

I checked booking.com and there are no luxury hotels on the Gaza strip.

smelmoth

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 12, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.

Time for real change

seafoid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/12/brexit-party-haemorrhaging-support-nigel-farage-hand/

Mr Farage did not deny rumours of a rapprochement brokered by US President Donald Trump, who is close to both the Brexit Party leader and Boris Johnson. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU


five points

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Quote from: Crete Boom on November 12, 2019, 02:42:03 PM


What the f**k are you on about? I went to school in the 90's and it was a bog standard shitbox cold all boys catholic secondary school. It was only socialist in that teachers and students were both subject to the same freezing cold dump buildings with f**k all resources!!

You were lucky to get through it before the Labour crowd started messing with the curriculum.

five points

Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2019, 02:50:30 PM
There sure is apartheid. Jews in Israel/Palestine earn 10-15 times what Palestinians do.
That's apartheid.
Israel runs the population register in Gaza and remains the occupier. 
The IHRA definition counts anti Zionism as hatred of Jews.
It's bollocks.

No. There are rich and poor everywhere but apartheid is not everywhere.
If "Israel runs the population register in Gaza" why do Hamas refuse to hold elections?
Undue singling out of "zionism" is the essence of modern anti-semitism.

trailer

Quote from: smelmoth on November 12, 2019, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 12, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.

Time for real change

I'm up for helping people but £15ph for this sort of work is not realistic. I run my own business and if the minimum wage was £15ph I'd be out of business pretty quick. Don't forget you have NI contributions and employers tax to pay on top of that.
It's these sort of crazy economics from Labour that scare people who create businesses and jobs.

armaghniac

Quote from: smelmoth on November 12, 2019, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 12, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour for someone aged 25 and over.

Time for real change

But you probably get free grub in McDonalds also!
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

trailer

Quote from: five points on November 12, 2019, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 12, 2019, 02:50:47 PM

I checked booking.com and there are no luxury hotels on the Gaza strip.

Quite correct. They're no longer listed there, but google still has a few

https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIq8Gc4smQ_ZngARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAHoECAoQIA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA
https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIg9rKj76t092ZARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAXoECAoQKA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA

Ok you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "luxury".
It's got a 3.4 review and it looks like a an absolute kip. It's last review was 6 months ago and when I tried to book a room it said contract the property which makes me think that this "luxury hotel" may now be a pile of rubble.


five points

Quote from: trailer on November 12, 2019, 04:01:20 PM
Quote from: five points on November 12, 2019, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 12, 2019, 02:50:47 PM

I checked booking.com and there are no luxury hotels on the Gaza strip.

Quite correct. They're no longer listed there, but google still has a few

https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIq8Gc4smQ_ZngARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAHoECAoQIA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA
https://www.google.com/travel/hotels/Gaza%20Strip/entity/CgsIg9rKj76t092ZARAB?g2lb=2502405%2C2502548%2C4208993%2C4254308%2C4258168%2C4260007%2C4270442%2C4274032%2C4285990%2C4288513%2C4289525%2C4291318%2C4296668%2C4301054%2C4302823%2C4305595%2C4308216%2C4313006%2C4315873%2C4317816%2C4322168%2C4329287%2C4270859%2C4284970%2C4291517%2C4292955%2C4316256&hl=en&gl=ie&un=1&q=gaza%20hotel&rp=EKvBnOLJkP2Z4AEQg9rKj76t092ZATgBQABIAg&ictx=1&ved=2ahUKEwiJ0c-sguXlAhV-TxUIHRX1B3QQvS4wAXoECAoQKA&hrf=KhYKBwjjDxAMGAcSBwjjDxAMGAgYASgAkgECIAE&tcfs=EhoaGAoKMjAxOS0xMi0wNxIKMjAxOS0xMi0wOFIA

Ok you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "luxury".
It's got a 3.4 review and it looks like a an absolute kip. It's last review was 6 months ago and when I tried to book a room it said contract the property which makes me think that this "luxury hotel" may now be a pile of rubble.

There's more than 1 place linked.

Pretty luxurious for what's supposed to be an 'open air prison'  ::)

seafoid

Quote from: five points on November 12, 2019, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2019, 02:50:30 PM
There sure is apartheid. Jews in Israel/Palestine earn 10-15 times what Palestinians do.
That's apartheid.
Israel runs the population register in Gaza and remains the occupier. 
The IHRA definition counts anti Zionism as hatred of Jews.
It's bollocks.

No. There are rich and poor everywhere but apartheid is not everywhere.
If "Israel runs the population register in Gaza" why do Hamas refuse to hold elections?
Undue singling out of "zionism" is the essence of modern anti-semitism.

Zionism is racist and has SFA to do with Judaism, which emphasises justice.

Jews are systematically better off than Palestinians living in the same political space.

Israel                 GDP per head USD 41,644
West Bank          GDP per head USD 1924
Gaza                  GDP per head USD 876

Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

omaghjoe

A key feature of apartheid was that blacks would have a homeland, which were run by the inhabitants and not by the South Afrian regime. Tho I think they had massive subsidies and controlled migration to and from. There were a dozen or so of these homelands operating inside SA during apartheid.

The parallels with the modern  Holy Land are extraordinary  and interestingly as regards this current discussion there was many elite resorts such as sun city that were run inside these homelands.

five points


Kidder81

Quote from: five points on November 12, 2019, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2019, 05:00:03 PM

Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.

At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html

Seafoid is basically an online Jeremy Corbyn so hardly surprising

seafoid

Quote from: five points on November 12, 2019, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2019, 05:00:03 PM

Israel runs 2 legal systems and has separate roads for Jews and non Jews.
It's pure apartheid.

At least one dirty lie there and probably two.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/yourview/dispelling-the-myth-of-jews-only-roads-in-the-west-bank-856339.html
Have you ever been to the West Bank?

Jews and Palestinians have separate number plate systems. Jews are subject to Israeli civil law. Palestinians are subject to Israeli military law. Jews have enforceable property rights. Palestinians don't.

The politics are changing now. Sanders opposes the occupation. So do most young people.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU