Westminster Election 12th December 2019

[marty34]

I understand all that but then what is the point??

A protest vote? Sinn Fein should not be running anywhere there is a marginal seat for the DUP and should leave it to SDLP/Alliance

I would say the way it works is - whoever is currently in that seat should be first choice.  That'd only be fair.

Otherwise then share them out on a pro-rata basis.  Parties, and the 'MPs' are very egotistical and won't back down, therefore unless, pro EU parties have a pact, the DUP will take the seats.

E.g. Let Alliance stand in EB with no SDLP/SF candidates and advise their voters accordingly.

Time for real leadership!

[BennyCake]

The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.

SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.

Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London.  It'd be a farce.

Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?

It's already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don't take their seats.

Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?

[BennyHarp]

With respect to the election in Britain, the Lib Dem argument is a strange one. Clearly they are trying to go for the extreme on the remain side, with the one issue revoke message, which may pick up a few seats for them which could put them in a powerful position of holding the sway of power. But if they end up in a coalition and don't deliver revoke then its university fees all over again for them and their credibility is gone again with those that voted for them.

[screenexile]

With respect to the election in Britain, the Lib Dem argument is a strange one. Clearly they are trying to go for the extreme on the remain side, with the one issue revoke message, which may pick up a few seats for them which could put them in a powerful position of holding the sway of power. But if they end up in a coalition and don't deliver revoke then its university fees all over again for them and their credibility is gone again with those that voted for them.

Remaining isn't extreme. . . it's the status quo!!!

[Chief]

The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.

SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.

Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London.  It'd be a farce.

Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?

It's already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don't take their seats.

Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?

I'm no lover of SF but your point is tiresome. Abstentionism from Westminster has been a basic principle of "traditional" republicanism for nearly 100 years now, therefore the electorate know exactly what they are doing & what they are getting when they cast their vote for an abstentionist party. The Brexit context does not change this.

If SF's "ridiculous" position of abstentionism appeals to voters more than every other party who actually want to take their seat, then the fault lies with all the other parties, not SF.

Of course SF will take every electoral opportunity to illustrate their mandate.

If other parties can't demonstrate why they would be more effective than a party that doesn't even show up, then they don't deserve to be elected.

[five points]

The idea that O'Connell and Parnell should have sat on their arses at home 150-200 years ago rather than go to the House of Commons and achieve real and lasting results for the Irish people is beyond parody.

[BennyCake]

The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.

SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.

Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London.  It'd be a farce.

Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?

It's already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don't take their seats.

Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?

I'm no lover of SF but your point is tiresome. Abstentionism from Westminster has been a basic principle of "traditional" republicanism for nearly 100 years now, therefore the electorate know exactly what they are doing & what they are getting when they cast their vote for an abstentionist party. The Brexit context does not change this.

If SF's "ridiculous" position of abstentionism appeals to voters more than every other party who actually want to take their seat, then the fault lies with all the other parties, not SF.

Of course SF will take every electoral opportunity to illustrate their mandate.

If other parties can't demonstrate why they would be more effective than a party that doesn't even show up, then they don't deserve to be elected.

Yes, but you can't vote for SF, then bitch and moan because the DUP are behaving like a bunch of tits in Westminster.

If you're going to vote, then vote for someone who will at least nullify the DUP in Westminster.

[BennyCake]

I thought people were laughing at the DUP in Westminster. Who can we vote for that will nullify the DUP in Westminster? What is there to nullify?

Their voting, for a start.

[BennyHarp]

With respect to the election in Britain, the Lib Dem argument is a strange one. Clearly they are trying to go for the extreme on the remain side, with the one issue revoke message, which may pick up a few seats for them which could put them in a powerful position of holding the sway of power. But if they end up in a coalition and don't deliver revoke then its university fees all over again for them and their credibility is gone again with those that voted for them.

Remaining isn't extreme. . . it's the status quo!!!

Remaining isn't extreme, revoking without a referendum is.

[marty34]

The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.

SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.

Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London.  It'd be a farce.

Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?

It's already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don't take their seats.

Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?

I'm no lover of SF but your point is tiresome. Abstentionism from Westminster has been a basic principle of "traditional" republicanism for nearly 100 years now, therefore the electorate know exactly what they are doing & what they are getting when they cast their vote for an abstentionist party. The Brexit context does not change this.

If SF's "ridiculous" position of abstentionism appeals to voters more than every other party who actually want to take their seat, then the fault lies with all the other parties, not SF.

Of course SF will take every electoral opportunity to illustrate their mandate.

If other parties can't demonstrate why they would be more effective than a party that doesn't even show up, then they don't deserve to be elected.

Yes, but you can't vote for SF, then bitch and moan because the DUP are behaving like a bunch of tits in Westminster.

If you're going to vote, then vote for someone who will at least nullify the DUP in Westminster.

One point I agree with SF is no matter if it was 100% vote against Brexit in the north, it'd have made no difference at all.

Irish lives do not matter to London and their government.
The DUP were used , then turfed under the bus.  Anybody who think London care for Irish people and businesses etc, then more fool them.

[Orior]

The idea that O'Connell and Parnell should have sat on their arses at home 150-200 years ago rather than go to the House of Commons and achieve real and lasting results for the Irish people is beyond parody.

The english didn't want catholic emancipation. That battle was fought on two fronts - in westminster and with violence at home (ribbon men, white boys etc etc)

[seafoid]

The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.

SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.

Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London.  It'd be a farce.

Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?

Scotland is a case of what seats if any the SNP don't get.
England -will the Remiam people all vote LibDem?
Wales -hopefully Plaid increase their votes and seats.
People talking about a hung Parliament again.

If it's a majority made up of Labour/Lib Dem/SNP thery can legislate for a second referendum
If the Tories lose Brexit is goosed.

[imtommygunn]

They probably won't lose though.

[seafoid]

They probably won't lose though.

They are going to lose 8 at least in Scotland
10 of the rebels have been readmitted/21 Some are retiring . Say 5 lost
The Libdems should pick up a few in SW England
A lot of women hate Boris Johnson.
#SeniorHurling

[BennyCake]

The Bennys of the World are responsible for sending 10 of them 17th Century yojkes to Westminster.

SF voters are responsible for sending no northern voice to Westminster.

Everybody knows that before they vote - they'd get some abuse if they took their seats in London.  It'd be a farce.

Anybody idea of what way the votes will stack up in England, Scotland and Wales re: seats for each party or is it going to be too hard to guage?

It's already a farce. They go to the bother of running for election, then don't take their seats.

Do SF sound any more ridiculous spouting their shite outside Westminster than they would, in it?

I'm no lover of SF but your point is tiresome. Abstentionism from Westminster has been a basic principle of "traditional" republicanism for nearly 100 years now, therefore the electorate know exactly what they are doing & what they are getting when they cast their vote for an abstentionist party. The Brexit context does not change this.

If SF's "ridiculous" position of abstentionism appeals to voters more than every other party who actually want to take their seat, then the fault lies with all the other parties, not SF.

Of course SF will take every electoral opportunity to illustrate their mandate.

If other parties can't demonstrate why they would be more effective than a party that doesn't even show up, then they don't deserve to be elected.

Yes, but you can't vote for SF, then bitch and moan because the DUP are behaving like a bunch of tits in Westminster.

If you're going to vote, then vote for someone who will at least nullify the DUP in Westminster.

One point I agree with SF is no matter if it was 100% vote against Brexit in the north, it'd have made no difference at all.

Irish lives do not matter to London and their government.
The DUP were used , then turfed under the bus.  Anybody who think London care for Irish people and businesses etc, then more fool them.

English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish people do not matter to London.

There is no Irish voice in Westminster (unionists are British). There are Brexit issues here, legacy, economy etc. Why don't SF pull out, and get behind SDLP, who will sit in Westminster? At least there will be an Irish nationalist voice fighting for people. God knows what families of legacy issues, in particular, think of them.