China Coronavirus

[trueblue1234]

I think we all await this explanation with interest.

If you haven't copped on to the fact that this virus is going nowhere until such time as a vast majority of the population come in contact with it then your living in cloud cookoo land.

They knew way back that the vaccines are only another "tool" to fight it, not to get rid of it.

So you prefer that this virus has a chance to spread now during the winter months rather than during the summer time when peoples immune levels are stronger.

Sweden now has a third of our daily cases at present with twice our population. NPHET had too many ZERO Covid people in place, I believe a more balanced approach would've been more appropriate.

To the poster in Kerry on holidays, I hope you enjoyed your 9 euro meal and/or outdoor pints on your holiday. Pity you weren't able to go to a full house GAA match in Fitzgearld Stadium while you were down there.

So just to be clear, you think it should have been let rip? Or can you explain what the more balanced approach was?

[Captain Obvious]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

Genuine question... where do you get your news from?

Looks like he's influenced by right wing media news.

[imtommygunn]

All media is skewed. It doesn't mean it's right wing because it's not "mainstream media". The reality is "MSM" is probably skewed but anyone saying that is probably reading news from places equally or more skewed!

[lenny]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

[Last Man]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Good stuff, any chance of a link to that study?

[lenny]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Good stuff, any chance of a link to that study?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/anti-vaxxers-covid-deaths-ons-b1949037.html

It's reported here in the Independent from ONS data. I've seen it also in Science journals.

[highorlow]

Wow, is somebody really saying the Swedish way was better than the Irish way?
Just ignore the death rate

Wow, someone is. Have a read.

https://unherd.com/2021/11/how-sweden-swerved-covid-disaster/

To date Sweden is slightly higher than us in deaths per million. It's likely we will end up with a similar ratio to them.

Anyhow, I'm sure there will be loads of analysis on the rights and wrongs of this over the next decade. My viewpoint is locking up the healthy will, in the long term, be seen as a major error and a more balanced approach ought to have been taken.

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1109/1258757-coronavirus-ireland/


There are 15 adult ICU beds free in the public system.

[Last Man]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Good stuff, any chance of a link to that study?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/anti-vaxxers-covid-deaths-ons-b1949037.html

It's reported here in the Independent from ONS data. I've seen it also in Science journals.

Cheers, would rather have a look at the study and how they reached their conclusions. No longer inclined to follow media stories as gospel any more.

[lenny]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Good stuff, any chance of a link to that study?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/anti-vaxxers-covid-deaths-ons-b1949037.html

It's reported here in the Independent from ONS data. I've seen it also in Science journals.

Cheers, would rather have a look at the study and how they reached their conclusions. No longer inclined to follow media stories as gospel any more.

Are you saying you don't trust the data from the Office for National Statistics or that you don't trust the media? This report from the ONS was widely reported and is freely available.

[BennyCake]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Yes many did. But many also only got vaccinated because they wanted to travel, go to concerts/sports events, visit a pub/restaurant, or keep their jobs, or visit loved ones in care homes etc.  There are many who got vaccinated who don't trust the vaccine or the science , but they just see vaccination as a means to  do certain things.

[lenny]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Yes many did. But many also only got vaccinated because they wanted to travel, go to concerts/sports events, visit a pub/restaurant, or keep their jobs, or visit loved ones in care homes etc.  There are many who got vaccinated who don't trust the vaccine or the science , but they just see vaccination as a means to  do certain things.

I would agree with you to an extent, I'd say only a small minority got vaccinated for those reasons. Everyone I know got vaccinated to protect themselves or family members. Also they couldn't wait to get vaccinated. Either way it's great they did though because the more people vaccinated the quicker we get back to normality. I do know 2 people who are refusing the vaccine but they are so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole that I can see no way back for them. They just embarrass themselves in company nowadays.

[Tony Baloney]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Good stuff, any chance of a link to that study?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/anti-vaxxers-covid-deaths-ons-b1949037.html

It's reported here in the Independent from ONS data. I've seen it also in Science journals.

Cheers, would rather have a look at the study and how they reached their conclusions. No longer inclined to follow media stories as gospel any more.

Knock yourself out.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021

[highorlow]

All the research is now very clear that natural immunity provides as much protection from infection/hospitilization as the vaccinated. The very widely reported on study from Israel showed its 27 times more protection against Delta than being double vaccinated.

Ireland however had literally the longest, strictest, lockdowns in Europe. As a result we have one of the lowest natural immunity levels in Europe now. Which is why we have one of the highest covid case rates in the EU currently, despite also having the highest vaccination rate.

The Irish media will never admit it, but Boris Johnson and his tactic of opening up England in July, to have a summer surge then and increase natural immunity at a time when there was no strain on the hospitals, has been proven completely correct. NPHET, our media and our politicians called him an idiot, or a monster, for it, but the UK's corona case numbers have now been steadily declining every day for 3 weeks. Which is ideally timed, just as their hospitals start to come under the normal winter stress.

Whereas here in Ireland we stayed locked down all summer unnecessarily, when the hospitals weren't under any stress, and are now facing into our peak surge in December...right at Christmas time, when hospitals struggle even in normal years..

[Last Man]

One thing we're seeing in this pandemic is evolution in real time, ie survival of the fittest. At the moment there is an extremely low risk of vaccinated people getting ill or dying. Almost all Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated. Many of those are anti vax idiots whose deaths could've easily been prevented. There are still ordinary, decent people dying unfortunately but the vast majority are science deniers and idiots.

Do you know that for a fact, or are you just believing what the  mainstream media  are feeding you?  There are many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated.

The vast majority of people have got vaccinated because they believe the scientists ie the experts in this field and they know they will get excellent protection against serious illness. People who aren't getting vaccinated obviously don't trust the scientists for whatever reason but often it's because they've seen youtube or facebook conspiracy theories. Those people who haven't been vaccinated are therefore unprotected and are way more likely to become ill and a proportion of those will then die. A peer reviewed study the other day showed you are 32 times more likely to die if you haven't been vaccinated. That's a study of real life data checked and verified by other scientists.I prefer to trust peer reviewed scientific studies rather than anecdotes on youtube which are often deliberate misinformation.

Good stuff, any chance of a link to that study?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/anti-vaxxers-covid-deaths-ons-b1949037.html

It's reported here in the Independent from ONS data. I've seen it also in Science journals.

Cheers, would rather have a look at the study and how they reached their conclusions. No longer inclined to follow media stories as gospel any more.

Knock yourself out.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021

Good stuff, best to stay close to the science rather than a potential news media slant.