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Fine strike by Clyne it might wake Liverpool up who have been dull thus far.

Only the few family and friends turned up to support these teams in Tullamore.

That result today proves pre season form means little. Manchester United have a long road to recovery and really only have themselves to blame for appointing David Moyes as manager last season.

Did Moyes team not beat Swansea 3-0 or something like that on the opening day last season?

Opening day result. Once Moyes got his mark on the side results like Swansea knocking United out of the FA cup in Old Trafford was no longer a surprise.

That result today proves pre season form means little. Manchester United have a long road to recovery and really only have themselves to blame for appointing David Moyes as manager last season.

Losing at home to Swansea it's like Moyes hasn't left.

7. Man Utd (much the same as last year. Def midfield and defence, and heart in general is a bit of a shambles. Was easy to make Moyse the scape goat, but the players are not good enough)

The deadline is still open so I wouldn't be as quick to dismiss United. Van Gaal will bring in some quality before the end of the month. Also, no European football this year which will help in the run for top 4 and whatever else.

Going to take more than a few signings to fix the damage caused by appointing David Moyes as manager. I don't believe in the theory that the players were not good enough, eighty nine points Manchester United got in the two seasons before Moyes arrived and with any decent manager Manchester United would have finished in the top four last season.

You should move on from talking about David Moyes he is no longer manager. United have started this season well winning 6 games in Pre seasom, a fully fit RVP this season will make a difference - missed a good chunk of last seaosn.

The United team that got 89 points in 2012 was  a team in decline in 2014, Carrick, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra.

Manchester United won't be able to move on until they are title contenders again which is unlikely to happen this season. Pre season means little the real season starts this weekend.

United also got that total of points in 2013 and even a team in decline should be able to finish in the top four after winning the league well the previous season. Van Persie is now thirty one and injury prone he must be close to that decline category?

7. Man Utd (much the same as last year. Def midfield and defence, and heart in general is a bit of a shambles. Was easy to make Moyse the scape goat, but the players are not good enough)

The deadline is still open so I wouldn't be as quick to dismiss United. Van Gaal will bring in some quality before the end of the month. Also, no European football this year which will help in the run for top 4 and whatever else.

Going to take more than a few signings to fix the damage caused by appointing David Moyes as manager. I don't believe in the theory that the players were not good enough, eighty nine points Manchester United got in the two seasons before Moyes arrived and with any decent manager Manchester United would have finished in the top four last season.

Was watching night at the museum earlier. Sad news RIP.

[What's the difference?]

there isn't a team in Leinster capable of beating them outside Croker anyway so unless you start playing all Ireland semi finals and finals in new bridge your point is no more than a cold water pouring exercise, why don't you just come out and say 'I hate the dubs'

Don't be so immature, there is an issue here and if you cannot come out with a response more useful than implying that those who discuss the issues "hate the Dubs", then you are only confirming the belief that Dubs are trying to distract attention from the issue.

The problems are the competition structures. The provincial championships have to go.

But when Kerry were hockeying teams in Munster for years nobody cared.

Kilkenny hurlers are in the senior, minor , intermediate finals this year. Should they be split in half ?

They have won 5 out of the last 7 all Ireland titles too

What's the difference?

Quite a bit, I would say.

The difference in Kilkenny's case is that the county has only 12 senior and 12 intermediate hurling clubs.  At least such was the case a few years ago when I was talking to a CB member.   
When you compare Kerry to Cork in Munster, you'll find that Cork has far more playing members than Kerry yet Kerry have more than twice the number of Munster titles that Cork have. (76 to 37)
I would argue that neither county should be penalised for excellence. Cork, Tipp, Galway and others  have as many if not more players than Kilkenny and the list of football counties whose resources are greater than Kerry's is a long one.
You can put their success down to sound internal structures or tradition or whatever you think is relevant but the crucial point is that neither county has anything that others can't aspire to.
In Dublin's case, things aren't quite so clear-cut.
While the population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, rural depopulation is a serious issue in many rural counties.
Right now, the Dubs' minors are rated favourites by most pundits for the Tom Markham Cup, the U21s are AI champions and the seniors are going for 3 out of 4.
If this is a portent of things to come, nobody will benefit and that includes Dublin itself.

Lar let's quit the bullshit. Mayo are the clear favourites for the Minor title as you well know. that's the first point. We're at best joint second and in all reality 3rd.

Population increase means little in regions like Tallaght and Ballyfermot ( populations bigger then  Limerick) where the GAA penetration is the equivalent of rugby in Ballymun. Thats' the second point. There are regions in Dublin where GAA has had to largely admit defeat because soccer is so ingrained in the district.

On Kilkenny they are given a free pass to promote one game and not even attempt to promote the other. Its a massive advantage for them. Every kid in Kilkenny plays hurling. Maybe one in ten in Dublin does. And in some areas its more like one in 25.
However its an example of where proper coaching from a young age without a massive chequebook shows some real results.

The GAA was in a hard place 10 years ago- Dublin came with a plan to boost the GAA penetration in the city. At the time Ireland were in the 2002 WC and BOD had just arrived. What were they supposed to do allow the capital city to become a GAA wasteground to suit the agendas

Minor All Ireland outright odds has Kerry as slight favourites just ahead of Dublin.

Anyone know how much money has been pumped into Dublin compared to Donegal?

donegal spent in excess of 1m euros on their one team in 2012.

Nobody has ever asked how that happened.

€894,487 the figure covers all Donegal teams. http://m.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/soccer/e895-000-to-run-gaa-teams-in-2012-1-4590549

Refreshing to see the best side in hurling pushed all the way if only we seen more of that in football.

Kerry are getting plenty of Senior players out of this competition if it works for them.......

Tomas o se @tomas5ky  ·  11h
Talk all you like about defensive stuff but that was some game. Armagh were brilliant. Donegal big men stood up

It's because Donegal are far worse than pretty much anyone else. Most opponents have to play defensive football against Donegal due to the way they set up which leads to some god awful games. I would normally love to see Donegal win an All Ireland but as long as you play like you under Jimmy I hope you don't. I'll be supporting Dublin in 3 weeks time and I think most neutral supporters will also.

Most neutrals like O'Se would agree yesterdays game was a good watch. When Donegal won the All Ireland two years ago they played a good balance between defence and attack their games against Cork,Kerry,Mayo were all good viewing for any neutrals watching.

The minimum qualification for any side to even make the short list  for the best ever is back to back All Irelands. So far, this is not best team to come out of Dublin, never mind the entire country. If they retain Sam this year, they could be in a position to push on towards some major targets. The strength of their squad is particularly impressive but the history of Gaelic games is littered with big names who could not cope with the pressures of initial success. Judge Dublin in another year or two.

Well said.

The race for Sam is going to become a race to see who comes second

Good news for Mayo then.