China Coronavirus

[imtommygunn]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

[seafoid]

There are different elements to Covid risk for hospitals.

The first is ICU capacity . This is fixed
The second is % unvaccinated
The third is unvaccinated mixing .

Governments don't want lockdowns. Lockdowns protected ICUs. Now  the % unvaccinated is the main driver.
There is no guarantee that ICU capacity is enough given the % unvaccinated.

The 7% that can't mingle in an indoor area, where covid spreads are the main driver for future lockdowns.  Blame the ones who are excluded from society. Some double jabbed folk on here are in for a rude awakening when they get very ill from Covid.  No doubt the vaccine offers huge protection from Covid, not as much as folk think, plenty double jabbed dying at the moment.

The no lockdown policy exposes the unvaccinated. There are breakthrough cases where the vaccinated end up in ICU but vaccination provides higher protection against serious illness. You still have to be careful.

[From the Bunker]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

What are the Vaccination risks? They're not zero.

[seafoid]

Covid will probably be with us for a few more winters. Tourism is probably banjaxed for the foreseeable. Sell Ryanair
Vaccinations will only work for so long. Boosters will be the default.

[armaghniac]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

What are the Vaccination risks? They're not zero.

vaccination risks are less than getting COvid, and pretty much everyone is going to get Covid now.

Covid will probably be with us for a few more winters. Tourism is probably banjaxed for the foreseeable. Sell Ryanair
Vaccinations will only work for so long. Boosters will be the default.

Covid will be with us, but if they can get some more of the unvaxxed jabbed and can vaccinate the children then it will not circulate widely. It remains to be seen when people will need another booster after the current round, likely this will be longer than 6 month anyway. In a year's time an improved vaccine may be available, any improvement would cut down circulation.

[imtommygunn]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

What are the Vaccination risks? They're not zero.

They're a lot less than the other risks.

Apply statistics and see that the odd article of people with issues is going to happen. Is 1 too many yes. Is 1 less than the outcome of covid? Significantly.

[BennyCake]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

What are the Vaccination risks? They're not zero.

vaccination risks are less than getting COvid, and pretty much everyone is going to get Covid now.

Covid will probably be with us for a few more winters. Tourism is probably banjaxed for the foreseeable. Sell Ryanair
Vaccinations will only work for so long. Boosters will be the default.

Covid will be with us, but if they can get some more of the unvaxxed jabbed and can vaccinate the children then it will not circulate widely. It remains to be seen when people will need another booster after the current round, likely this will be longer than 6 month anyway. In a year's time an improved vaccine may be available, any improvement would cut down circulation.

It will. It will spread in the likes of schools but the  vast majority of children won't suffer badly.   The last few months, very few people are adhering to any guidance at all. Masks are in the minority in shops and among people mixing indoors.  So  to say it's all the fault of the unvaccinated is wrong.

A neighbour of ours kid has been wearing her mask all the time in school,  even in the classroom. Most of the rest aren't , and shes being ridiculed and teased by the others  to the point of  her Coming home in tears.  It'll just be a matter of time before she gives  up wearing it,  if it hasn't happened already . Where's the responsibility of the schools to enforce masks? Why leave this kid out to dry?

It's got to the stage where soon, life will continue similar to pre-pandemic, and nobody will care. Cases  will remain high, and nobody will pay any attention to it.  People will continue to die, and nobody will bat an eyelid.

[trueblue1234]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

What are the Vaccination risks? They're not zero.

vaccination risks are less than getting COvid, and pretty much everyone is going to get Covid now.

Covid will probably be with us for a few more winters. Tourism is probably banjaxed for the foreseeable. Sell Ryanair
Vaccinations will only work for so long. Boosters will be the default.

Covid will be with us, but if they can get some more of the unvaxxed jabbed and can vaccinate the children then it will not circulate widely. It remains to be seen when people will need another booster after the current round, likely this will be longer than 6 month anyway. In a year's time an improved vaccine may be available, any improvement would cut down circulation.

It will. It will spread in the likes of schools but the  vast majority of children won't suffer badly.   The last few months, very few people are adhering to any guidance at all. Masks are in the minority in shops and among people mixing indoors.  So  to say it's all the fault of the unvaccinated is wrong.

A neighbour of ours kid has been wearing her mask all the time in school,  even in the classroom. Most of the rest aren't , and shes being ridiculed and teased by the others  to the point of  her Coming home in tears.  It'll just be a matter of time before she gives  up wearing it,  if it hasn't happened already . Where's the responsibility of the schools to enforce masks? Why leave this kid out to dry?

It's got to the stage where soon, life will continue similar to pre-pandemic, and nobody will care. Cases  will remain high, and nobody will pay any attention to it.  People will continue to die, and nobody will bat an eyelid.

Dunno bout bars and pubs, but in shops where I am it's still about 80%+ wearing masks. And there's nothing to say it's not unvaccinated as much as vaccinated not wearing them.

People will care when the health services are being stretched. People will care if the death rate starts creeping up. You are hoping that it will get to the stage when no one is paying attention to it and you can continue with your life without any inconvenience. Most others are hoping we can get it In check. There is a huge difference.

[BennyCake]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

What are the Vaccination risks? They're not zero.

vaccination risks are less than getting COvid, and pretty much everyone is going to get Covid now.

Covid will probably be with us for a few more winters. Tourism is probably banjaxed for the foreseeable. Sell Ryanair
Vaccinations will only work for so long. Boosters will be the default.

Covid will be with us, but if they can get some more of the unvaxxed jabbed and can vaccinate the children then it will not circulate widely. It remains to be seen when people will need another booster after the current round, likely this will be longer than 6 month anyway. In a year's time an improved vaccine may be available, any improvement would cut down circulation.

It will. It will spread in the likes of schools but the  vast majority of children won't suffer badly.   The last few months, very few people are adhering to any guidance at all. Masks are in the minority in shops and among people mixing indoors.  So  to say it's all the fault of the unvaccinated is wrong.

A neighbour of ours kid has been wearing her mask all the time in school,  even in the classroom. Most of the rest aren't , and shes being ridiculed and teased by the others  to the point of  her Coming home in tears.  It'll just be a matter of time before she gives  up wearing it,  if it hasn't happened already . Where's the responsibility of the schools to enforce masks? Why leave this kid out to dry?

It's got to the stage where soon, life will continue similar to pre-pandemic, and nobody will care. Cases  will remain high, and nobody will pay any attention to it.  People will continue to die, and nobody will bat an eyelid.

Dunno bout bars and pubs, but in shops where I am it's still about 80%+ wearing masks. And there's nothing to say it's not unvaccinated as much as vaccinated not wearing them.

People will care when the health services are being stretched. People will care if the death rate starts creeping up. You are hoping that it will get to the stage when no one is paying attention to it and you can continue with your life without any inconvenience. Most others are hoping we can get it In check. There is a huge difference.

Aye, because that's what I said 

Any shop I've been in it's  probably 30% mask wearing, if that. And that's from people of  all ages.

[imtommygunn]

It is way way above 30% anywhere I have been. Yes there are people here and there not wearing masks but from my experience that is in the minority.

[seafoid]

Winter is the biggest risk. This is the first winter with Delta. And Delta is a hoor for transmission.

[Milltown Row2]

It is way way above 30% anywhere I have been. Yes there are people here and there not wearing masks but from my experience that is in the minority.

I work in a busy clinic, everyone is wearing masks and no one is allowed in without it, in local shops easy 80% people wearing masks, load wearing those badges allowing them not to (though I believe they are made up) and some clowns not wearing it, its still a requirement so why are they being allowed entry into shops?

[Rudi]

What do you all make of Eamon Ryan's allowance to get his positive test overturned? Anyone know of anybody else having this happen?

English rugby player Owen Farrell had a false positive too. Some people are far to important to be struck down with covid. We do not live in a society of equals. Equality is a myth.

[Rudi]

It is way way above 30% anywhere I have been. Yes there are people here and there not wearing masks but from my experience that is in the minority.

I work in a busy clinic, everyone is wearing masks and no one is allowed in without it, in local shops easy 80% people wearing masks, load wearing those badges allowing them not to (though I believe they are made up) and some clowns not wearing it, its still a requirement so why are they being allowed entry into shops?

Where I am close to 100% compliance among the locals, the wans with the yellow number plates - only the odd one wears them. Huff like f"ck, if asked to put one on.

[trueblue1234]

What are the long covid risks? They're not zero.

What are the Vaccination risks? They're not zero.

vaccination risks are less than getting COvid, and pretty much everyone is going to get Covid now.

Covid will probably be with us for a few more winters. Tourism is probably banjaxed for the foreseeable. Sell Ryanair
Vaccinations will only work for so long. Boosters will be the default.

Covid will be with us, but if they can get some more of the unvaxxed jabbed and can vaccinate the children then it will not circulate widely. It remains to be seen when people will need another booster after the current round, likely this will be longer than 6 month anyway. In a year's time an improved vaccine may be available, any improvement would cut down circulation.

It will. It will spread in the likes of schools but the  vast majority of children won't suffer badly.   The last few months, very few people are adhering to any guidance at all. Masks are in the minority in shops and among people mixing indoors.  So  to say it's all the fault of the unvaccinated is wrong.

A neighbour of ours kid has been wearing her mask all the time in school,  even in the classroom. Most of the rest aren't , and shes being ridiculed and teased by the others  to the point of  her Coming home in tears.  It'll just be a matter of time before she gives  up wearing it,  if it hasn't happened already . Where's the responsibility of the schools to enforce masks? Why leave this kid out to dry?

It's got to the stage where soon, life will continue similar to pre-pandemic, and nobody will care. Cases  will remain high, and nobody will pay any attention to it.  People will continue to die, and nobody will bat an eyelid.

Dunno bout bars and pubs, but in shops where I am it's still about 80%+ wearing masks. And there's nothing to say it's not unvaccinated as much as vaccinated not wearing them.

People will care when the health services are being stretched. People will care if the death rate starts creeping up. You are hoping that it will get to the stage when no one is paying attention to it and you can continue with your life without any inconvenience. Most others are hoping we can get it In check. There is a huge difference.

Aye, because that's what I said 

Any shop I've been in it's  probably 30% mask wearing, if that. And that's from people of  all ages.

I think it's a fair representation of your position on Covid.
As mentioned above, It's nowhere near 30% mask wearing. Not even close.