China Coronavirus

[imtommygunn]

Genuinely Benny I don't know what you believe here. You obviously don't believe in something or everything? What do you believe in and not believe in with regard to Covid? I would genuinely love to know but from your posts it is pretty much impossible to tell.

[seafoid]

Vaccines are not the essence of perfection. Sometimes they have to be iterated.
What we do know is that the rate of mortality and rate of ICU admittance of the non-vaccinated are significantly higher.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."

― Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

[BennyCake]

Yes it probably will escalate. And it's not difficult to know why. People have had enough, enough of  being lied to, draconian measures that make absolutely no sense, the population screwed over, economy and livelihoods deliberately ruined by inept, spineless politicians.

The state of this.

Machiavellian super villains and bumbling goons. All at the same time.

This the distilled essence of why you are a gobshite. You still haven't figured out what you're angry about. You're just angry.

It's pathetic. And hilarious. And scary, because there's loads of other stupid angry gobshites just like you out there.

No no, you're right. Politicians did/are doing a great job. Their rules make/made perfect sense. Nothing to see here.

More shouting.

Given you've been consistently pro-let it rip I presume you think Donald Trump, Ron De Santis, Boris Johnson, Jair Bolsonaro, Viktor Orban and Narendra Modi have all done great jobs?

And where have I said that?

[highorlow]

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-icu-bed-capacity-ireland-5585869-Oct2021/

The citizens have done their part at this stage.

The HSE had 2 years to increase capacity in the system, Covid or no Covid and they did f**k all. Overpaid muppets.

[sid waddell]

Yes it probably will escalate. And it's not difficult to know why. People have had enough, enough of  being lied to, draconian measures that make absolutely no sense, the population screwed over, economy and livelihoods deliberately ruined by inept, spineless politicians.

The state of this.

Machiavellian super villains and bumbling goons. All at the same time.

This the distilled essence of why you are a gobshite. You still haven't figured out what you're angry about. You're just angry.

It's pathetic. And hilarious. And scary, because there's loads of other stupid angry gobshites just like you out there.

No no, you're right. Politicians did/are doing a great job. Their rules make/made perfect sense. Nothing to see here.

More shouting.

Given you've been consistently pro-let it rip I presume you think Donald Trump, Ron De Santis, Boris Johnson, Jair Bolsonaro, Viktor Orban and Narendra Modi have all done great jobs?

And where have I said that?

Well I'll put it this way:

You are anti-vaccine. You have continually spread doubt as to the effectiveness of the vaccine and pushed conspiracy theory as regards the vaccine.

You recite right-wing US libertarian rhetoric about vaccination being a "personal choice", as if it is no more serious than a choice as to whether you get your ears pierced.

All of that is a total carte blanche for anti-vaxxers to spread their disinformation and for low vaccination uptake in society.

Low vaccination uptake means either i) mass death in a let it rip situation or ii) lockdown forever.

I don't think you're in favour of lockdown forever, so logically it stands to reason that you would be in favour of the alternative.

Or you're happy to freeload on the backs of the efforts of the majority of people who do take the responsible decision to get vaccinated, while refusing to do so yourself.

The future of our societies depends on mass vaccination. The alternative is Romania, and Covid deaths above 500 daily.

You can bleat all you want about politicians in general, and believe me I do, in my own way. But not in the conspiracy-laden tones of faux emotive bluster you do.

There is no conspiracy. There is a deadly virus and no amount of magical thinking will make it go away.

[Rossfan]

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-icu-bed-capacity-ireland-5585869-Oct2021/

The citizens have done their part at this stage.

The HSE had 2 years to increase capacity in the system, Covid or no Covid and they did f**k all. Overpaid muppets.

Wasn't exactly a load of  unemployed or under used ICU specialists around the world.

[imtommygunn]

Jaysus - glad you're ok.

[Rois]

Jaysus - glad you're ok.

+1

[Rossfan]

+2.

[J70]

There is no conspiracy. There is a deadly virus and no amount of magical thinking will make it go away.

I can confirm this with my own recent experience. Ironically one of my last posts in this thread was that I was coming off the fence with regards to the vaccine and would be getting it but unfortunately I didn't get jabbed in time and I was struck down by this horrible virus in early October and recently spent just over a week in hospital battling it. It actually wasn't until about Day 12 of contracting the virus that I took a real turn for the worse with serious breathing difficulties and in the first 48-72 hours in hospital there were times I thought that I had seen the last of family and friends. I was on a CPAP machine for most of the week and I was also given a Tocilizumab which stopped my immune system from continuing to inflame my lungs and it was those 2 methods that saved me and thankfully I'm back home recovering and getting better/stronger as each day goes by. Hopefully I won't suffer much from long covid but I've learned a very hard and valuable lesson with this virus and I will never be complacent with it ever again and neither should anyone else for that matter.

Glad to hear you came through it. Best of luck in your continuing recovery!

[armaghniac]

The point is that now with things open almost everyone will come into contact with Covid and Delta is very infectious, so without a vaccine you are very likely to get it. You than have a very wide range of outcomes, from hardly notice to hospitalisation. The vaccine reduces the chances of getting it, but it definitely reduces the probably of a bad end outcome.
On the good news front, a long established anti-depressant drug fluvoxamine has been found to reduce hospitalisation of unvaccinated patients by one third, so this will provide another path for treatment.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

There is no conspiracy. There is a deadly virus and no amount of magical thinking will make it go away.

I can confirm this with my own recent experience. Ironically one of my last posts in this thread was that I was coming off the fence with regards to the vaccine and would be getting it but unfortunately I didn't get jabbed in time and I was struck down by this horrible virus in early October and recently spent just over a week in hospital battling it. It actually wasn't until about Day 12 of contracting the virus that I took a real turn for the worse with serious breathing difficulties and in the first 48-72 hours in hospital there were times I thought that I had seen the last of family and friends. I was on a CPAP machine for most of the week and I was also given a Tocilizumab which stopped my immune system from continuing to inflame my lungs and it was those 2 methods that saved me and thankfully I'm back home recovering and getting better/stronger as each day goes by. Hopefully I won't suffer much from long covid but I've learned a very hard and valuable lesson with this virus and I will never be complacent with it ever again and neither should anyone else for that matter.

glad you are OK..  if you don't mind had you any pre existing  health conditions and what age are you... I know they are personal enough questions but if you had no pre conditions and healthy  it should be a real eye opener.

apologies if this is asking to personal questions

[sid waddell]

Best wishes with your recovery clarshack.

[JoG2]

There is no conspiracy. There is a deadly virus and no amount of magical thinking will make it go away.

I can confirm this with my own recent experience. Ironically one of my last posts in this thread was that I was coming off the fence with regards to the vaccine and would be getting it but unfortunately I didn't get jabbed in time and I was struck down by this horrible virus in early October and recently spent just over a week in hospital battling it. It actually wasn't until about Day 12 of contracting the virus that I took a real turn for the worse with serious breathing difficulties and in the first 48-72 hours in hospital there were times I thought that I had seen the last of family and friends. I was on a CPAP machine for most of the week and I was also given a Tocilizumab which stopped my immune system from continuing to inflame my lungs and it was those 2 methods that saved me and thankfully I'm back home recovering and getting better/stronger as each day goes by. Hopefully I won't suffer much from long covid but I've learned a very hard and valuable lesson with this virus and I will never be complacent with it ever again and neither should anyone else for that matter.

No way Clarshack! Glad you are on the mend lad. Remember that post well. Best of luck and keep positive. If it does linger for a while, you'll battle through it. One of my closest friends battled Long Covid, did have it tight but she is now back to about 95%. Let us know how you're progressing and take care

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

All the best Clarshak.

My cousin is in ICU a week now , no change , hopefully he will pull through. He is 36