China Coronavirus

[Armagh18]

We've been in lockdown since Xmas...

We have been reopening for the last month. Plus the unvaccinated super spreader age group 18-35 year olds never really "locked down" and who would blame them. Yet cases are plummeting.

If your not prepared to explain to me why this is the case other  than say "we've been in lockdown since x mass" then it's pointless arguing. By all metrics and based on canal drinking, Easter parties, paddy's day, protests and general couldntgiveashitanymoreology we should have 2000 cases a day amongst the "youths". I'm asking you for a reason? I don't need to explain mine, I've posted a scientific paper , go and read it.

I forgot to mention the case mining as well with the walk in tents. Even more baffling is the drop when they've to search for cases.

Science has dug themselves a hole on this. They keep digging.

Opposing voice = Conspiracy theorist

So you're not going to answer? I gave you an answer.

But like Angelo you've skipped it

Why are cases down here in the north and why are cases higher in the south?

Fairly low both sides are they not? Clearly the vaccine rollout is having a serious impact. Also since the vaccine only reduces the likelihood of someone spreading covid, not stopping it, it is the number of people actually getting ill that's important, positive cases will inevitably rise as we reopen.

[imtommygunn]

It will be interesting now. Before christmas etc when cases rose then inevitably hospital numbers tracked with a wee bit of a lag but with the vaccine that should hopefully change significantly. Also the question is if numbers rise with reopenings then will the government give it time to check out hospital cases before going back into lockdown?

This thing seems to come in waves. In the past people here compared north and south numbers particularly at a point when the south was doing much better and then numbers just pretty much flipped. That seems to just happen anywhere. It seems to come in waves to different places at different times. (not following the seasons either e.g. France).

[Milltown Row2]

We've been in lockdown since Xmas...

We have been reopening for the last month. Plus the unvaccinated super spreader age group 18-35 year olds never really "locked down" and who would blame them. Yet cases are plummeting.

If your not prepared to explain to me why this is the case other  than say "we've been in lockdown since x mass" then it's pointless arguing. By all metrics and based on canal drinking, Easter parties, paddy's day, protests and general couldntgiveashitanymoreology we should have 2000 cases a day amongst the "youths". I'm asking you for a reason? I don't need to explain mine, I've posted a scientific paper , go and read it.

I forgot to mention the case mining as well with the walk in tents. Even more baffling is the drop when they've to search for cases.

Science has dug themselves a hole on this. They keep digging.

Opposing voice = Conspiracy theorist

So you're not going to answer? I gave you an answer.

But like Angelo you've skipped it

Why are cases down here in the north and why are cases higher in the south?

Fairly low both sides are they not? Clearly the vaccine rollout is having a serious impact. Also since the vaccine only reduces the likelihood of someone spreading covid, not stopping it, it is the number of people actually getting ill that's important, positive cases will inevitably rise as we reopen.

But sure its just a flu and we've been fooled along, all the deaths the hospitals being over run the madness of wrecking economies worldwide, the lies spread by the WHO and all those specialists have been shown by the report that Highorlow has put up as being a con..

[GetOverTheBar]

I'll ask you a simpler question.

Why are cases dropping?

People are behaving responsibly and many people are vaccinated.

Behaviour has steadily got worse.

And it's one that's thrown around too handy. Things going bad? People misbehaving. Things going good? Good people.

We've now seen Riots / Rangers fans out wrecking it etc, no spike.

[Hound]

I'll ask you a simpler question.

Why are cases dropping?

People are behaving responsibly and many people are vaccinated.

Behaviour has steadily got worse.

And it's one that's thrown around too handy. Things going bad? People misbehaving. Things going good? Good people.

We've now seen Riots / Rangers fans out wrecking it etc, no spike.

Quite difficult to spread Covid outdoors, so no surprise there have been very few spikes associated with outdoor gatherings.

Plenty of spikes in the past from large indoor gatherings, but the vast majority of people in all age groups have avoided these.

[GetOverTheBar]

It's been apparent it's been indoors for months now. Yet the only option was "stay indoors".

Many of us said that there was no transmission outdoors. Yet sport has been stopped, at one stage you were only allowed to leave the house for 1 hour.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

sports/outdoor activites dont happen in isolation... this is the same argument as just protect the elderly and open up..

[JoG2]

Ioannidis estimates that Covid has an average global Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of ~0.15%. This is on the basis of surveying global seroprevalence data, i.e. statistics relating to the presence of Covid-19 antibodies in human blood samples.

Carry on sheepels. It ended for me after about a month. Plandemic.

Sniffing glue still a thing??

[Milltown Row2]

It's been apparent it's been indoors for months now. Yet the only option was "stay indoors".

Many of us said that there was no transmission outdoors. Yet sport has been stopped, at one stage you were only allowed to leave the house for 1 hour.

Explain how hotter countries like Spain and France are into a third wave

[GetOverTheBar]

It's been apparent it's been indoors for months now. Yet the only option was "stay indoors".

Many of us said that there was no transmission outdoors. Yet sport has been stopped, at one stage you were only allowed to leave the house for 1 hour.

Explain how hotter countries like Spain and France are into a third wave

What's heat got to do with it?

All these reports are coming out now saying the risk of transmission in the open is neglible. Happy enough with that, no reason to have people stopped by police anymore if they want to go for a walk.

I said it long ago and was laughed out the gate, transmission will most likely be driven by person to person...i.e, personal relationships. Saliva transmission....etc. I never bought into this fairytale of droplets (moisture.....) floating around the air magically for an infinite period of time.....even more so in hotter climates.....

Spain and France have had basically all open, the whole time we've had all closed....bar the obvious, nightclubs etc. Their situation is not comparable to ours. They've had restaurants, bars, cafes all going...Various closing times but basically they've been able to do as they please since the very first real hard lockdown Spain had when you needed to have papers issued if you wanted to leave the apartment to go to work.

[trueblue1234]

It's been apparent it's been indoors for months now. Yet the only option was "stay indoors".

Many of us said that there was no transmission outdoors. Yet sport has been stopped, at one stage you were only allowed to leave the house for 1 hour.

Explain how hotter countries like Spain and France are into a third wave

What's heat got to do with it?

All these reports are coming out now saying the risk of transmission in the open is neglible. Happy enough with that, no reason to have people stopped by police anymore if they want to go for a walk.

I said it long ago and was laughed out the gate, transmission will most likely be driven by person to person...i.e, personal relationships. Saliva transmission....etc. I never bought into this fairytale of droplets (moisture.....) floating around the air magically for an infinite period of time.....even more so in hotter climates.....

Spain and France have had basically all open, the whole time we've had all closed....bar the obvious, nightclubs etc. Their situation is not comparable to ours. They've had restaurants, bars, cafes all going...Various closing times but basically they've been able to do as they please since the very first real hard lockdown Spain had when you needed to have papers issued if you wanted to leave the apartment to go to work.

Did Spain not re-enter a state of emergency again in Oct with a national curfew?

[GetOverTheBar]

That's the one I'm talking about, they literally were not allowed to leave the house without paperwork. Since that ended they've had (relative) normality.

[trueblue1234]

Is it not due to end in 9th  May 2021?

[GetOverTheBar]

Yes the latest lockdown is, but they've had 50% cap in bars, restaurants etc and 75% cap in museums and the likes the past few months in Madrid for example. Their 'strict' lockdown rules are no smoking in public, facecoverings in public and everywhere closed by 1100. Golf has been ongoing etc...

We've had literally nothing whatsoever from 26th December in the North. So it's not like for like and comparable to ourselves.

What we wouldn't have given over the past 4 1/2 months to get a few pints and a feed and home by 1100.

[Milltown Row2]

Yes the latest lockdown is, but they've had 50% cap in bars, restaurants etc and 75% cap in museums and the likes the past few months in Madrid for example. Their 'strict' lockdown rules are no smoking in public, facecoverings in public and everywhere closed by 1100. Golf has been ongoing etc...

We've had literally nothing whatsoever from 26th December in the North. So it's not like for like and comparable to ourselves.

What we wouldn't have given over the past 4 1/2 months to get a few pints and a feed and home by 1100.

Do you think the numbers here would have went up had we followed France and Spain's approach?