China Coronavirus

[imtommygunn]

Both funny and not funny at the same time lol.

[Redhand Santa]

One issue with the low number of flu cases in 2020 is that it will make the flu vaccine for 2021 harder to create as they don't have the same levels of data to test for mutations.

Flu vaccines are rolled out every year but we are led to believe that we have no case of flu this year.

Covid tests have positive test rates of between 5-20% generally, so what about the people who test negative after claiming to have had symptoms? Just hypochondriacs?

And if lockdowns have eliminated flu this season, then surely governments have blood on their hands at the amount of deaths we experience every winter? Why are we so willing to accept excess deaths every winter from flu?

If they have symptoms and test negative there is a good chance it's just the common cold they have. Or an infection such as a throat infection causing a temperature. I thought as an expert in the area you'd know that?

Also a lot of people getting tested for various reasons that have no symptoms.

[Angelo]

One issue with the low number of flu cases in 2020 is that it will make the flu vaccine for 2021 harder to create as they don't have the same levels of data to test for mutations.

Flu vaccines are rolled out every year but we are led to believe that we have no case of flu this year.

Covid tests have positive test rates of between 5-20% generally, so what about the people who test negative after claiming to have had symptoms? Just hypochondriacs?

And if lockdowns have eliminated flu this season, then surely governments have blood on their hands at the amount of deaths we experience every winter? Why are we so willing to accept excess deaths every winter from flu?

If they have symptoms and test negative there is a good chance it's just the common cold they have. Or an infection such as a throat infection causing a temperature. I thought as an expert in the area you'd know that?

Also a lot of people getting tested for various reasons that have no symptoms.

So how has the flu disappeared?

Are we really expected to believe we've had no flu this year as our medical professionals tell us? Is that plausible?

[Angelo]

From preliminary death figures, it also looks unlikely that the number of deaths in January 2021 will exceed the death toll from January 2018 where the Australian flu was associated with record death numbers in that month.

But of course we are perfectly willing to allow people die from flu......

[armaghniac]

From preliminary death figures, it also looks unlikely that the number of deaths in January 2021 will exceed the death toll from January 2018 where the Australian flu was associated with record death numbers in that month.

But of course we are perfectly willing to allow people die from flu......

Where are we talking about? China?

[Redhand Santa]

From preliminary death figures, it also looks unlikely that the number of deaths in January 2021 will exceed the death toll from January 2018 where the Australian flu was associated with record death numbers in that month.

But of course we are perfectly willing to allow people die from flu......

That was one month. Covid is going on month after month and is causing huge excess deaths and continued pressure on the health service. And that is despite lots of restrictions in place. If they let it run it's course with no restrictions then the numbers would be far worse.

I'm really not sure why you feel the need to keep comparing to that flu season. It's nothing like covid in terms of it's consequences and long last effects.

[Milltown Row2]

If only 1% of transmission of the virus happens outside why have we stopped
Outdoor sports
Outdoor retail
Golf

Starting to get awkward now

People who play sports have to train together as well. That means using the same dressing room/changing rooms etc.

The government want people to stay at home so they closed golf courses. They don't want people from different households traveling and meeting up.

I don't think you understand .

Fixed that for you.

Thanks for that 👍

Latest cases in the south show an average age of 45 years old and the latest deaths include an individual only 30 years old.

Do you want to mention the fact that 1/3 of people in hospital with Covid picked up in hospital.

Or do you just want to pedal more scaremongering?

Seen a report for 18% was picked up in hospital.. you're saying a third of covid is picked up in hospital.. seems at odds with what I seen

[imtommygunn]

Ah so the deaths without lockdown were greater than the deaths with a lockdown. That's a very comparable stat...

[Angelo]

From preliminary death figures, it also looks unlikely that the number of deaths in January 2021 will exceed the death toll from January 2018 where the Australian flu was associated with record death numbers in that month.

But of course we are perfectly willing to allow people die from flu......

That was one month. Covid is going on month after month and is causing huge excess deaths and continued pressure on the health service. And that is despite lots of restrictions in place. If they let it run it's course with no restrictions then the numbers would be far worse.

I'm really not sure why you feel the need to keep comparing to that flu season. It's nothing like covid in terms of it's consequences and long last effects.

There were 50k excess deaths during the winter flu season in the UK Dec 17 - Mar 18. We accepted it without batting an eyelid.

It's hard to justify the reaction to Covid when we were so nonplussed about the levels of deaths associated with the Aussie flu in 17/18. It's quite clear the demograph that is at risk from Covid and the major failings that are responsible for these deaths are in the health service and care homes.

[Angelo]

Ah so the deaths without lockdown were greater than the deaths with a lockdown. That's a very comparable stat...

We had a vaccine for flu. Didn't stop it causing huge excess deaths and nobody batted an eyelid.

You seem to want to go and engage in mental gymnastics as to why that level of death is acceptable, only if its flu.

[Angelo]

If only 1% of transmission of the virus happens outside why have we stopped
Outdoor sports
Outdoor retail
Golf

Starting to get awkward now

People who play sports have to train together as well. That means using the same dressing room/changing rooms etc.

The government want people to stay at home so they closed golf courses. They don't want people from different households traveling and meeting up.

I don't think you understand .

Fixed that for you.

Thanks for that 👍

Latest cases in the south show an average age of 45 years old and the latest deaths include an individual only 30 years old.

Do you want to mention the fact that 1/3 of people in hospital with Covid picked up in hospital.

Or do you just want to pedal more scaremongering?

Seen a report for 18% was picked up in hospital.. you're saying a third of covid is picked up in hospital.. seems at odds with what I seen

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

AS MANY AS a third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus while being cared for in the hospital, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has said.

The Tánaiste said the situation in Irish hospitals is "very serious".

Currently, there are 1,949 confirmed cases in hospital, with 219 in ICU.

While these numbers are beginning to fall, Varadkar said it is not happening "at the pace we would like".

There are "real concerns" about the clusters emerging in Irish hospitals, he said, adding:

"We know that nursing home clusters and hospital clusters are numerous. There's a lot of them. Most deaths sadly occur in nursing homes and hospitals.

"And indeed, it seems that as many as a third of patients in hospital got Covid in hospital, they didn't come in Covid positive, they picked up Covid while in the hospital. Now some of them may not be sick as a result, they may be sick for a different reason.

"But it still is a matter of real concern that so many people are acquiring Covid in our hospitals."

[imtommygunn]

Ah so the deaths without lockdown were greater than the deaths with a lockdown. That's a very comparable stat...

We had a vaccine for flu. Didn't stop it causing huge excess deaths and nobody batted an eyelid.

You seem to want to go and engage in mental gymnastics as to why that level of death is acceptable, only if its flu.

I'm glad you can tell me how I think. You've ignored my point.

[Milltown Row2]

Ah so the deaths without lockdown were greater than the deaths with a lockdown. That's a very comparable stat...

We had a vaccine for flu. Didn't stop it causing huge excess deaths and nobody batted an eyelid.

You seem to want to go and engage in mental gymnastics as to why that level of death is acceptable, only if its flu.

Back on the flu drum and access deaths.. the access deaths for flu was 22,000, not 50,000 so be more accurate with the figures.. There was a thread on here called the Aussie flu and lots of people discussed it and its effects at the time, so again inaccurate with your post, there was plenty in the news about it.

Are you saying the flu is the same as Covid?

[Angelo]

Ah so the deaths without lockdown were greater than the deaths with a lockdown. That's a very comparable stat...

We had a vaccine for flu. Didn't stop it causing huge excess deaths and nobody batted an eyelid.

You seem to want to go and engage in mental gymnastics as to why that level of death is acceptable, only if its flu.

I'm glad you can tell me how I think. You've ignored my point.

You're the one ignoring things here and performing mental gymnastics to defend record deaths in flu season.

Why was it ok in Jan 2018?

[Milltown Row2]

If only 1% of transmission of the virus happens outside why have we stopped
Outdoor sports
Outdoor retail
Golf

Starting to get awkward now

People who play sports have to train together as well. That means using the same dressing room/changing rooms etc.

The government want people to stay at home so they closed golf courses. They don't want people from different households traveling and meeting up.

I don't think you understand .

Fixed that for you.

Thanks for that 👍

Latest cases in the south show an average age of 45 years old and the latest deaths include an individual only 30 years old.

Do you want to mention the fact that 1/3 of people in hospital with Covid picked up in hospital.

Or do you just want to pedal more scaremongering?

Seen a report for 18% was picked up in hospital.. you're saying a third of covid is picked up in hospital.. seems at odds with what I seen

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

AS MANY AS a third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus while being cared for in the hospital, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has said.

The Tánaiste said the situation in Irish hospitals is "very serious".

Currently, there are 1,949 confirmed cases in hospital, with 219 in ICU.

While these numbers are beginning to fall, Varadkar said it is not happening "at the pace we would like".

There are "real concerns" about the clusters emerging in Irish hospitals, he said, adding:

"We know that nursing home clusters and hospital clusters are numerous. There's a lot of them. Most deaths sadly occur in nursing homes and hospitals.

"And indeed, it seems that as many as a third of patients in hospital got Covid in hospital, they didn't come in Covid positive, they picked up Covid while in the hospital. Now some of them may not be sick as a result, they may be sick for a different reason.

"But it still is a matter of real concern that so many people are acquiring Covid in our hospitals."

From a source you've used before, so it must be good...

To find "probable" hospital infections—that is, positive tests of patients who were in hospital for more than seven days—Full Fact was advised to find the difference between sets of data on new hospital cases and new hospital cases from the community. The data suggests that, between 1 August and 26 November, there were around 10,000 nosocomial infections (approximately 16% of all coronavirus infections recorded in hospitals).

This data is also broken down by hospital, but the issue is that people who develop symptoms and then test positive eight days after admission could still have been infected before they were admitted, as symptoms can take up to 14 days to appear. This makes it very difficult to be sure that these infections are definitely hospital acquired.

In May, it was reported that NHS England estimated that 10-20% of people in hospital with coronavirus had been infected while they were inpatients.