China Coronavirus

[Main Street]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

[Angelo]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

The lockdown crew won't like that.

The major issue at present is the spread in hospitals.

[trueblue1234]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

[Angelo]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

That article is over 2 weeks old. What restrictions have they enforced?

[trueblue1234]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

That article is over 2 weeks old. What restrictions have they enforced?

None yet. Do you believe they passed this law for no reason?

[Milltown Row2]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

That article is over 2 weeks old. What restrictions have they enforced?

2 weeks? Christ the night, you're bringing up things from 2017 ffs! Unreal

[Angelo]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

That article is over 2 weeks old. What restrictions have they enforced?

None yet. Do you believe they passed this law for no reason?

They passed a law that allows them to pass laws but haven't enforced any yet.

[RadioGAAGAA]

I don't why you bother.

I've realised there is no point debating with an idiot with things like facts and figures.

Its clear they don't have the mental capacity to understand what they are talking about.

[trueblue1234]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

That article is over 2 weeks old. What restrictions have they enforced?

None yet. Do you believe they passed this law for no reason?

They passed a law that allows them to pass laws but haven't enforced any yet.

They passed a law as they were concerned with the level of Covid. And it sounds like they fully intend to use it.

"We see a great risk that we will be in a difficult situation for some time ahead," Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven told the country's broadcaster Friday before the law's passage,  "Of course, that means the pandemic law should be utilized, and we will use it in the near term."

[Angelo]

I don't why you bother.

I've realised there is no point debating with an idiot with things like facts and figures.

Its clear they don't have the mental capacity to understand what they are talking about.

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

[Angelo]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

That article is over 2 weeks old. What restrictions have they enforced?

None yet. Do you believe they passed this law for no reason?

They passed a law that allows them to pass laws but haven't enforced any yet.

They passed a law as they were concerned with the level of Covid. And it sounds like they fully intend to use it.

"We see a great risk that we will be in a difficult situation for some time ahead," Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven told the country's broadcaster Friday before the law's passage,  "Of course, that means the pandemic law should be utilized, and we will use it in the near term."

Sounds like they intend to use it and actually using it are two completely different matters.

[trueblue1234]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdown?
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud
Ironically they have closed the border with Norway in order to protect their own citizens from any rambling rabid mutant strained Norwegians and added some other restrictions.
But there is no lockdown.
Since  the 2nd wave began, Sweden's record has been decent and since mid December  has one of the lowest 14 day death rates in europe, lower than Ireland's and now has a 14 day rate of infection running at 480 per 100,000,  Ireland's 14 day rate   (probably peaking)  at 1440 per 100,000.

it's another irony that ultra right wingnuts in USA point favorably to Sweden for its no lockdown record when by the American political right standards, Sweden is an ultra left wing radical communist repressive  state,  woked up to the eyeballs.



where Sweden seriously fckd up was with protecting the elderly in the first wave.

They have just passed laws to be able to impose lockdown measures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

I'd take that as a fairly strong confirmation that they believe their strategy didn't work.

That article is over 2 weeks old. What restrictions have they enforced?

None yet. Do you believe they passed this law for no reason?

They passed a law that allows them to pass laws but haven't enforced any yet.

They passed a law as they were concerned with the level of Covid. And it sounds like they fully intend to use it.

"We see a great risk that we will be in a difficult situation for some time ahead," Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven told the country's broadcaster Friday before the law's passage,  "Of course, that means the pandemic law should be utilized, and we will use it in the near term."

Sounds like they intend to use it and actually using it are two completely different matters.

Your right they are.

[Smurfy123]

I quote Pascal Soriot the CEO of AstraZeneca

1 dose gives 100% protection against severe disease and hospitalisation

The uk government have 30 million ok order by the last week of March in which he expects them to arrive

At what point do all restrictions in the uk lift

[dublin7]

I quote Pascal Soriot the CEO of AstraZeneca

1 dose gives 100% protection against severe disease and hospitalisation

The uk government have 30 million ok order by the last week of March in which he expects them to arrive

At what point do all restrictions in the uk lift

It will depend on a combination of factors. Numbers vaccinated, case numbers, number of people in hospital/ICU wards etc. You can't just say 50% of the population is vaccinated open everything up and end all restrictions.

[Milltown Row2]

I quote Pascal Soriot the CEO of AstraZeneca

1 dose gives 100% protection against severe disease and hospitalisation

The uk government have 30 million ok order by the last week of March in which he expects them to arrive

At what point do all restrictions in the uk lift

When Angelo tells us that the big Pharmaceutical companies have got it right!