China Coronavirus

[armaghniac]

If lockdowns work so much why are we in lockdown 3
If lockdown work so well why was our lowest death and case count during a time when no lockdown
Maybe it's a sessional thing

that's a bit like saying if diets work so well then why was my lowest weight the day after I stopped the diet!
Like a diet, it is what you do afterwards that determines the long term success. If you go on a binge in both cases then you end up back where you started.

[imtommygunn]

What is the barometer of whether a lockdown is successful?

The barometer surely is whether you come out of it?

If lockdown 1 was unsuccessful we would never have come out of it! Same with 2.

3 doesn't look as successful mind you but I do think variants etc are coming into play here.

[trueblue1234]

If lockdowns work so much why are we in lockdown 3
If lockdown work so well why was our lowest death and case count during a time when no lockdown
Maybe it's a sessional thing

that's a bit like saying if diets work so well then why was my lowest weight the day after I stopped the diet!
Like a diet, it is what you do afterwards that determines the long term success. If you go on a binge in both cases then you end up back where you started.

This whole point has been explained multiple times previously. People who don't understand this are either stupid or dishonest.

[Angelo]

What is the barometer of whether a lockdown is successful?

The barometer surely is whether you come out of it?

If lockdown 1 was unsuccessful we would never have come out of it! Same with 2.

3 doesn't look as successful mind you but I do think variants etc are coming into play here.

That's illogical. There is no rationale to what you have just said. If lockdowns worked it doesn't keep coming back. Lockdowns are not sustainable, they do not fix the problem. It's putting your thumb on a hole to fix a leak.

[imtommygunn]

It depends on the objective of the lockdown . If it was zero COVID then yes you are correct but it's not.

All we have ever done is stop gaps. That's all a lockdown is.

[Smurfy123]

Lockdowns do not work
If they worked why are we in this position

[imtommygunn]

What position would we be in if we didn't lockdown is a bigger question for me.

[trueblue1234]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

[RedHand88]

So given Sweden had to give up on their keeping things open strategy and had to go into lockdown, does that mean the keeping open with restrictions doesn't work either. Using Angelo and Smurfy's logic?

Lockdowns do not work
If they worked why are we in this position

Because selfish twats don't follow them. For what is worth the spring lockdown last year was excellent at suppressing numbers because people followed it.

[Smurfy123]

So he fact that selfish people don't follow lockdowns means it doesn't work
You just answered me
Only so many times you can ask people to go to the well
If lockdowns work why did our deputy minister break her own rules?

[armaghniac]

If lockdowns work why did our deputy minister break her own rules?

It is true that lockdowns work best with responsible people.

[grounded]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55814751

Very sobering when you scroll down to that section ' remembering the coronavirus victims'

Sad times.

[RedHand88]

So he fact that selfish people don't follow lockdowns means it doesn't work
You just answered me
Only so many times you can ask people to go to the well
If lockdowns work why did our deputy minister break her own rules?

You'd have to ask her that.
Michelle o neill breaking lockdown rules has no bearing on the on the science behind a lockdown. It still works.

[armaghniac]

While the death toll of 90 in the 26 counties is not good today, it reflects the high numbers 3 weeks ago, there are 928 cases today. Good to see it below 1000.
I expect they will start testing close contacts again soon. The 6 counties might usefully test a few more people, they only tested 2,363 individuals compared to 16,520 in the 26.

[imtommygunn]

The numbers are usually much higher than that. Why they have dropped so much this last few days I am not sure but the numbers have been significantly higher on average this last while in terms of testing.