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[johnnycool]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Like the Tories sudden concern for schools being shut and the harm it's doing to the children when less than a month earlier they couldn't vote through a Labour bill to feed the kids when they are at home.
They were embarrassed into it by Marcus Rashford FFS.

Faux outrage and concern.

[Hound]

Looking like we are staying in lockdown until at least the 5th of March.

Can't help thinking that doing lockdown as time based rather than number based is the wrong way.
Dunphy had a doc on last week saying we should be aiming to get numbers down to 10 per day, and then we could open everything, including Wet Pubs, and go to just Level 1 restrictions. But having strict test and trace and strict enforcement of rules around travel into the country to ensure we keep it at that level.

I think people could get behind that more, and it could be a fixed objective. But it takes as long as it takes. Rather than time based lockdowns which can and will change. Although CSO stats are still showing a strong majority of the public in favour of continued lockdown.

[Look-Up!]

Anyone know hotel rates for other countries with mandatory quarantine or the likely rates they will charge here for the 6 days or so in hotel. Can't see it being too shy of €100/day but wouldn't surprise me if hotels try drive the arm in.

[Angelo]

Poor mental health is failure to care for someone?

What a stupid comment


Getting locked up more like it
Lack of social interaction: you can still go out doors and interacting happens in many forms
Lack of exercise: no gyms open, I train every day walking, weights, running
Lack of will to live: people have that regardless of Covid, depression was here and will continue, there's a thread on it.
Jobless: these jobs will be available again, no one is making money
No money: no where to spend it
Overweight: that's a personal choice

All these things above happen daily, before Covid.

If someone is feeling mentally unwell due to being in lockdown you can care for them.

The GP interviewed on the news said the people coming to him had no previous mental health problems and a lot were in older age groups. He laid the blame firmly with lockdowns and their associated effects.

Interesting to see you know more about the doctor's patients than the doctor himself. Hope they got a referral to you.

Where have I said lockdown isn't causing more people to feel depressed?

All I'm saying is there are ways out of it and ways to work through it. You're the most negative poster on the board bar none. You'd depress me just reading your depressing posts

Don't think hiding under the bed is helping people's mental health.

There needs to be a discussion on whether Lockdowns cause more harm than good and that discussion needs to have a comprehensive viewpoint rather than solely focused on stopping Covid spreading.

If you're dead though, your mental health doesn't matter a whole pile, does it?

Neither does Covid if you're dead either.

What you seem to be saying is that and I'll use the doctor's words here "a sharp rise in mental health problems" in many people who never had reported problems like this before is an acceptable consequence of fighting Covid?

[Angelo]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Why do you keep saying you know more than the medical professional here. He refers to a "sharp rise" in mental health problems in recent months and he attributes that to lockdown and consequences of the restrictions we have brought in. If we are making mental health an even bigger problem in our fight against Covid then I think we need to drastically look at the road we are going down.

But of course, you know better than a doctor and you know more about what his patients aren't doing that he does.

[Angelo]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Like the Tories sudden concern for schools being shut and the harm it's doing to the children when less than a month earlier they couldn't vote through a Labour bill to feed the kids when they are at home.
They were embarrassed into it by Marcus Rashford FFS.

Faux outrage and concern.

A pity none of ye cared about lockdowns when in the flu season of 17/18, think of all the lives that have been saved then if ye gave up your liberties and freedoms. Do you regret that?

[Milltown Row2]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Why do you keep saying you know more than the medical professional here. He refers to a "sharp rise" in mental health problems in recent months and he attributes that to lockdown and consequences of the restrictions we have brought in. If we are making mental health an even bigger problem in our fight against Covid then I think we need to drastically look at the road we are going down.

But of course, you know better than a doctor and you know more about what his patients aren't doing that he does.

You've quoted my post without even addressing it?

Point out where I said I know more than the doctors? I've agreed with you that people are depressed more because of covid lockdowns, but depression has been around long before covid, and based on your input on the depression thread, which is zero, I feel you are full of shit, I don't need to be a doctor to access that diagnosis

[Angelo]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Why do you keep saying you know more than the medical professional here. He refers to a "sharp rise" in mental health problems in recent months and he attributes that to lockdown and consequences of the restrictions we have brought in. If we are making mental health an even bigger problem in our fight against Covid then I think we need to drastically look at the road we are going down.

But of course, you know better than a doctor and you know more about what his patients aren't doing that he does.

You've quoted my post without even addressing it?

Point out where I said I know more than the doctors? I've agreed with you that people are depressed more because of covid lockdowns, but depression has been around long before covid, and based on your input on the depression thread, which is zero, I feel you are full of shit, I don't need to be a doctor to access that diagnosis

I quoted a post where you are dismissing what the doctor has said. For the third time, the doctor references a "sharp rise" in mental health problems in people who never had mental health problems before. He attributes this directly and unequivocally to lockdowns and restrictive measures enforced that leads to isolation and lack of socialisation. Are you trying to downplay a "sharp rise" in mental health problems as utterly meaningless and an acceptable consequence or do we really need to look at the road we are embarking on.

The difference is I look at the impact of things on society, you look at things on the impact of Covid and toss the concerns of everyone else aside, in your smug, condescending manner. Seemingly you know more about the mental health of the doctor's patients than the doctor himself.

[trueblue1234]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Why do you keep saying you know more than the medical professional here. He refers to a "sharp rise" in mental health problems in recent months and he attributes that to lockdown and consequences of the restrictions we have brought in. If we are making mental health an even bigger problem in our fight against Covid then I think we need to drastically look at the road we are going down.

But of course, you know better than a doctor and you know more about what his patients aren't doing that he does.

You've quoted my post without even addressing it?

Point out where I said I know more than the doctors? I've agreed with you that people are depressed more because of covid lockdowns, but depression has been around long before covid, and based on your input on the depression thread, which is zero, I feel you are full of shit, I don't need to be a doctor to access that diagnosis

I quoted a post where you are dismissing what the doctor has said. For the third time, the doctor references a "sharp rise" in mental health problems in people who never had mental health problems before. He attributes this directly and unequivocally to lockdowns and restrictive measures enforced that leads to isolation and lack of socialisation. Are you trying to downplay a "sharp rise" in mental health problems as utterly meaningless and an acceptable consequence or do we really need to look at the road we are embarking on.

The difference is I look at the impact of things on society, you look at things on the impact of Covid and toss the concerns of everyone else aside, in your smug, condescending manner. Seemingly you know more about the mental health of the doctor's patients than the doctor himself.

Do you consider the impact on mental health if Covid wasn't curtailed by lockdowns? Do you consider the impact on people in the health service who are having to pick who gets the medical attention? People shielding who would be basically told they have to cut all contact as the risk of Covid would be greatly increased? The impact on people who may be too scared to go out at all if the level was allowed to increase? The impact on retail workers, teachers, other front line workers who have to work in a environment where they are even more at risk? The impact on people who blame themselves for bringing Covid back to a family member who dies?
I'm sure you are considering these as well in this open look at the impact on society.

[johnnycool]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Like the Tories sudden concern for schools being shut and the harm it's doing to the children when less than a month earlier they couldn't vote through a Labour bill to feed the kids when they are at home.
They were embarrassed into it by Marcus Rashford FFS.

Faux outrage and concern.

A pity none of ye cared about lockdowns when in the flu season of 17/18, think of all the lives that have been saved then if ye gave up your liberties and freedoms. Do you regret that?

Of course there's regret and no doubt the next set of Flu vaccinations were changed to include the strain that caused the issues in 17/18 which dare I say you were only aware of yourself in the latter part of 2020 as it suited your agenda.

[Angelo]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Like the Tories sudden concern for schools being shut and the harm it's doing to the children when less than a month earlier they couldn't vote through a Labour bill to feed the kids when they are at home.
They were embarrassed into it by Marcus Rashford FFS.

Faux outrage and concern.

A pity none of ye cared about lockdowns when in the flu season of 17/18, think of all the lives that have been saved then if ye gave up your liberties and freedoms. Do you regret that?

Of course there's regret and no doubt the next set of Flu vaccinations were changed to include the strain that caused the issues in 17/18 which dare I say you were only aware of yourself in the latter part of 2020 as it suited your agenda.

I'm not the hypocrite on this here though.

You guys didn't bat an eyelid when people were dying in huge numbers of flu three years ago so where did this empathy and compassion jump out of in the past 9 months?

[seafoid]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Like the Tories sudden concern for schools being shut and the harm it's doing to the children when less than a month earlier they couldn't vote through a Labour bill to feed the kids when they are at home.
They were embarrassed into it by Marcus Rashford FFS.

Faux outrage and concern.

A pity none of ye cared about lockdowns when in the flu season of 17/18, think of all the lives that have been saved then if ye gave up your liberties and freedoms. Do you regret that?

That's a false comparison. Flu lethality is far lower.

[Angelo]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Like the Tories sudden concern for schools being shut and the harm it's doing to the children when less than a month earlier they couldn't vote through a Labour bill to feed the kids when they are at home.
They were embarrassed into it by Marcus Rashford FFS.

Faux outrage and concern.

A pity none of ye cared about lockdowns when in the flu season of 17/18, think of all the lives that have been saved then if ye gave up your liberties and freedoms. Do you regret that?

That's a false comparison. Flu lethality is far lower.

Explain the winter flu season of 17/18.

[seafoid]

Angelo

There has been a thread on here about depression for years, you've had zero interest in it, not one post from you on it, now you're concerned?

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit and this is just an excuse for you to peddle crap that suits your narrative.

It's a bit like the gym owners and PT's on social media saying they are worried about people's mental health. I don't buy it

Like the Tories sudden concern for schools being shut and the harm it's doing to the children when less than a month earlier they couldn't vote through a Labour bill to feed the kids when they are at home.
They were embarrassed into it by Marcus Rashford FFS.

Faux outrage and concern.

A pity none of ye cared about lockdowns when in the flu season of 17/18, think of all the lives that have been saved then if ye gave up your liberties and freedoms. Do you regret that?

That's a false comparison. Flu lethality is far lower.

Explain the winter flu season of 17/18.

Explain the previous year and the  following year
Covid is continuously lethal
UK mortality last year increased by 13%. First time in 30 years that it increased.
Any data for flu doing that ?

[Milltown Row2]

Angelo you're relentless on the the flu of 17/18 and now depression. Two subjects on this board board that you have zero, that's zero posts about, so again, forgive me for thinking you give a flying fcuk about these people.