China Coronavirus

[Milltown Row2]

Angelo start up a domestic abuse thread and get that going, it deserves a thread on its own. The links to Covid are real. But you're using their abuse to forward some sort of logic for not preventing the spread of deadly virus

[sid waddell]

Czech Republic death rates are now matching Italy's from the spring

Those claims that Covid is behaving differently are looking more and more and more tenuous

You can get a graph for anything these days. They can be twisted accordingly.

This one is interesting for example

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1319354333172060160

And you can get a bought and paid for, media savvy medic to tell you anything these days, such as that 10% infection in a population achieves herd immunity, as that guy has claimed

You mean it doesn't fit with your narrative. Misinformation from you once again.

What misinformation?

You're lying again!

Sure why break the habit of a lifetime 

[Ed Ricketts]

To bring it full circle - it's clearly because of the unsustainable pressure on the health service.

Social services have problems with people in longer term risk, but health services have problems with people in immediate risk.

It's an oversimplification, but the bottom line is that the health service has to take precedent at this time.

It's a shit position to be in, but we're in it.

Why does the health service have to take precedent?

Why didn't it take precedent in the decades before when it was run down in terms of resources?

The societal and economic issues lockdowns and restrictions will cause will far outweigh whatever consequences Covid is at present now, in my opinion.

The thing with Covid is the inaccurate classifying of Covid deaths, the vast majority of people who have died from it have underlying health issues, are extremely elderly with low life expectancy and this might sound glib but this is important. Is it really Covid that is killing them or is it an underlying issue, their age, their failing health. I don't think any sensible person can argue this, look at any data that is returned on the no of deaths who had underlying health issues, the age range of deaths etc.

It's not a virus that is any widespread threat to young, fit and healthy people.

So when do we look at that data and contrast it with the vulnerable in society who are being impacted by lockdown and excessive restrictions.
The people whose jobs and livelihoods are at threat.
The impact this has on children and young people and their social development.

The consequences of lockdown and restriction go and above beyond what Covid can even dream about and we're not allowed discuss this without hysterics and misinformation.

The health service has to take precedent right now because it's under unsustainable pressure right now. Doing anything less than we are currently doing to restrict the spread of the virus will put even more pressure on the health service.

In full agreement with you about the shameful way health services have been run down over the years. People in London should have to answer for that when this is all over, not that they ever will. But none of that changes where we are right now.

We could spend all week arguing the semantics of dying due to COVID or dying with COVID, but there's no denying the cumulative impact of the virus on the health service. The numbers in hospital beds right now speak for themselves.

And that it's people with underlying health conditions or at an advanced age suffering most from COVID isn't actually very important to this discussion. People that are sick or old are still people - and they deserve as much help from the health service as anyone else. But the strain to provide this help is crippling the health service. Which takes us back to why we have to do something about the spread of the virus.

The social issues you bring up deserve consideration. And, I'm sure, have had consideration from those making the big decisions. But they are largely issues that may manifest months or years down the line. We have a nationwide emergency driving people into hospital beds in unprecedented numbers right now. This emergency just has to be dealt with first, by whatever means - there's no getting away from that.

[Seaney]

What's your views now Angelo on the number of cases and limited ICU beds to possibly cover everyone?

Oh and we know the shortage on the NHS, been like that for years

What's your views on cancer patients not getting treatment, millions of GP appointments cancelled, irreversible damage to vulnerable individuals mental health, the increase in suicide, abused stuck at home with abusers?

oh, another question for a question, ya wee liar !!

Cancer treatments are being done, just not as many as would have been planned, GP appointments are being done, daughter had one yesterday and to be fair, i worked in a gp surgery for 2 years every Friday, same faces every week, would stand in  the rain for an hour to get to see the doctor!

Our mental health system is the worst in Europe id say,  giving tablets seems to be the main thing there , have you the figures on the increased suicides for the north? We can leave the house, the lockdown does not prevent us leaving the house or an abuser. unless they have locked the door

You didn't ask me a question but semantics.   Millions of GP appointments have been missed that is a fact.  A million cancer screening for breast cancer in the UK have been missed, cancer treatment is being missed for category one and category two patients but your da got treatment and your daughter saw a doctor so to hell with everyone else right?

You keep saying millions and we only have 1.4 million here up North, I'm giving you two examples that are real, but hey ho.. Have you those links to the  suicides numbers?

Since the start of the pandemic, there were around 26 million fewer appointments at GP surgeries, according to NHS Digital statistics.

[Milltown Row2]

In the North?

[Seaney]

In the NHS, it operates in the north but your da got treatment and your daughter an appointment so I'm ok jack, yes?

[Seaney]

Do you just like questions?

[Seaney]

Our mental health system is the worst in Europe id say,  giving tablets seems to be the main thing there , have you the figures on the increased suicides for the north? We can leave the house, the lockdown does not prevent us leaving the house or an abuser. unless they have locked the door

So you have no empathy for mental health sufferers or the abused, do you have the same attitude to rape, they could have just walked away, or covered up a bit more?

Rape! WTF man you are on a roll. Must be on the whacky

So do you think abused should just walk away?

[Seaney]

Have to say your line of debate is brilliant, easy to just ask questions, what you think?

[Milltown Row2]

You've a problem lad, you need to step away from the keyboard.

Appointments are happening the place isn't closed, im getting an appointment on Monday and taking dad on Wednesday nurse out on Thursday treatment on Friday

Sounded like a song there

[Milltown Row2]

Our mental health system is the worst in Europe id say,  giving tablets seems to be the main thing there , have you the figures on the increased suicides for the north? We can leave the house, the lockdown does not prevent us leaving the house or an abuser. unless they have locked the door

So you have no empathy for mental health sufferers or the abused, do you have the same attitude to rape, they could have just walked away, or covered up a bit more?

Rape! WTF man you are on a roll. Must be on the whacky

So do you think abused should just walk away?

I'll answer that, they should in touch with the police and have that person prosecuted.

[Seaney]

So no empathy or understanding of their plight?

[Seaney]

You've a problem lad, you need to step away from the keyboard.

Appointments are happening the place isn't closed, im getting an appointment on Monday and taking dad on Wednesday nurse out on Thursday treatment on Friday

Sounded like a song there

The place is failing millions but you are ok yeah?

[Milltown Row2]

So no empathy or understanding of their plight?

Of course, if you care to read back I've already expressed that. Grew up seeing my poor aunt having to move to England to get away from such. Coming to our house in the dead on night with my cousin's and sleep over bags.

I don't know where you are going with this though, it seems to me that you think this is a new thing and would be solved if we'd no Covid! Very strange

[Seaney]

Never said that you can quote where I did, the current situation is exasperating a difficult situation, would you not agree?