China Coronavirus

[Seaney]

i didnt see it all but i didnt see lockdown being called out as the cause. the health system was not meeting demand pre covid.. huge waiting lists... covid has made it worst... i didnt hear mention of lockdown in the section i listened too... it was all about what the pandemic had caused not what lockdown had caused...

It's on demand why not watch it, then comment or do you not like facts.

[Seaney]

i didnt see it all but i didnt see lockdown being called out as the cause. the health system was not meeting demand pre covid.. huge waiting lists... covid has made it worst... i didnt hear mention of lockdown in the section i listened too... it was all about what the pandemic had caused not what lockdown had caused...

So you watched a bit that backed your argument up, you watched it or you didn't.

[Seaney]

i didnt see it all but i didnt see lockdown being called out as the cause. the health system was not meeting demand pre covid.. huge waiting lists... covid has made it worst... i didnt hear mention of lockdown in the section i listened too... it was all about what the pandemic had caused not what lockdown had caused...

Watch it all, it has a few specialists chatting, though they probably don't fit into the narrative of the mainstream media.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

you posted "spotlight".. i saw it, i turned it on...so i didnt see it all. did it mention lockdown? i might if i get a chance watch it tomorrow. from the bit i did see it was health servixe failures due to reduced capacity due to the pandemic, not lockdown.

say for example hospital capacity is, 100 units can be completed a day. However, 110 capacity is required. Every day the backlog list grows by 10. Covid comes along and capacity reduces to 80 (due to infectious nature, staff reductions due to covid) and 120 capacity is now required due to covid cases) backlog goes by 40 per day.

lockdown helps reduce the 40 per day backlog as it reduces covid cases and increase capacity.

no lockdown means more cases which mean backlog increases.

[JoG2]

Proportionate response, watch it, all the experts here advocating lockdown and a covid state should be ashamed. Swann is on a power trip and the folk following the media narrative is astounding.

If only your response was proportionate. What on earth is a Covid State? Hysterical nonsense, no harm to you. You'd be better walking up and down your local area with a big placard telling folk to wear a mask in shops, clean your hands and keep your distance. Time better spent than in here

[Rossfan]

Bit suspicious of that lad....became a member 16th October and non stop posting today of right wing shite .

[Milltown Row2]

Those people with Covid tunnel vision have absolutely no interest in looking at the consequences of using lockdowns and restrictions to fight it, maybe you should look at the bigger picture for once.

Current case fatality rate here is 4% (time weighted for day of contraction).

I was going to say that is overly pessimistic and take 1% instead. But, if we followed your course (which you don't outline, but the assumption must be that it is light touch), then the health services would collapse and you would see 4% as a minimum death rate over the long term

Then with your world of minimal restrictions, how many get the virus? Half the population before herd immunity effects kick in? (Half being optimistic, usual thought train is around 70% of populace needs to be immune.)

So, half the population of the north is 1.8 million. Half of that is 900k. 4% of that is 36k people.

In 2018, 15,922 people died in the north. You are advocating doubling the annual death rate in response to worries over intangible forecasts elsewhere.


Big picture? You don't have a f**king clue. Not surprising the man that cannot grasp the difference between fractions and percentages cannot play with big numbers.

Did Angelo respond to this one? Or did I miss it?

Has anyone seen Angelo? Tyrone thread? Tennis?

[Seaney]

Bit suspicious of that lad....became a member 16th October and non stop posting today of right wing shite .

[Seaney]

Proportionate response, watch it, all the experts here advocating lockdown and a covid state should be ashamed. Swann is on a power trip and the folk following the media narrative is astounding.

If only your response was proportionate. What on earth is a Covid State? Hysterical nonsense, no harm to you. You'd be better walking up and down your local area with a big placard telling folk to wear a mask in shops, clean your hands and keep your distance. Time better spent than in here

You appear to spend quite a bit of time in here yourself, I follow the rules, what are you doing to assist society.

[Franko]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54612567

The flu yer man said.

Yes the flu.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/flu-and-bed-shortage-responsible-for-record-trolley-numbers-says-taoiseach-1.4131634

I must have missed the masks and hand sanitiser in the shops last January. 

I must have missed the lockdowns and restrictive measures in January when the season flu was overwhelming the health service. Just as long as its not Covid doing it, right?

Not for the first time you completely fail to understand.

There's a stereotype of the big aul thick Tyrone man that loves Celtic, the Ra and a good fight, but has his brains in his arse.

Always thought it was unfair.

I see it now.

Not for the first time when the debate requires a bit of substance you resort to banal snide insults.

You just lack any conviction in yourself.

Myself and plenty of other have been through the data with you.

You don't understand it.

To the point that you laughably posted data yourself which totally disproved the point you were trying to make.

I could go through your posts and pull out some of the ridiculous names your thrown at other posters here but I haven't the time nor inclination to embarrass you any further.  Your continued uneducated ramblings do that for themselves.

You must have imagined that.

You've shouted and then ran off when things have got a bit heavy for you.

Like I said.

[GetOverTheBar]

Could be the start of it, legal action on the way a la Liverpool gyms -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54626760

[armaghniac]

Could be the start of it, legal action on the way a la Liverpool gyms -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54626760

They have to get R well below 1 in NI given the high number of cases, and they have to close a lot of things. Gyms are not at necessary to society, you can walk up and down the stairs if you want to keep fit, and things that are not necessary should not be open when numbers are as high as they are in NI.
The only problem is in the 6 counties is that they are not providing proper payments to businesses that are closed.
If having all of these things open was acceptable then the numbers would not have risen to the level that they did.

[GetOverTheBar]

Could be the start of it, legal action on the way a la Liverpool gyms -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54626760

They have to get R well below 1 in NI given the high number of cases, and they have to close a lot of things. Gyms are not at necessary to society, you can walk up and down the stairs if you want to keep fit, and things that are not necessary should not be open when numbers are as high as they are in NI.
The only problem is in the 6 counties is that they are not providing proper payments to businesses that are closed.
If having all of these things open was acceptable then the numbers would not have risen to the level that they did.

Not necessary sure, but collective public health is absolutely vital....especially now. Again, the best thing every single person (who is able to) could be doing now, is keeping themselves as active as possible. Covid preys on weakness.

You are fair enough in your point about gyms not being necessary, but I would consider a gym with about 3 or 4 people in it alot more safer than the scenes (weather permitting) we are about to see this weekend out and about the usual hotspots.

[armaghniac]

You are fair enough in your point about gyms not being necessary, but I would consider a gym with about 3 or 4 people in it alot more safer than the scenes (weather permitting) we are about to see this weekend out and about the usual hotspots.

Outdoor stuff might seem bad, but it is 18 times safer than anything indoor and kn**ker drinkers probably don't go to the gym.

[Seaney]

It will all come out in the wash - lockdowns hurt everyone but the virus. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54626760