China Coronavirus

[smelmoth]

Will Angelo get a second series?

[Angelo]

Let's use Belgium as an example

https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/communicable-diseases/influenza-and-influenza-like-illness#:~:text=Of%20the%20hospitalized%20cases%2C%2013,average%20compared%20to%20previous%20seasons.

On average, around 600,000 people are affected by influenza-like illness (ILI) each year in Belgium, i.e., about 5% of the total population. About 50-60% of these cases are actual influenza cases.
While ILI is in most cases a benign illness, about 2% to 3% of influenza cases require hospitalization. Of the hospitalized cases, 13% develop severe complications, including 6% who die in the course of hospital stay; usually more than 80% of these deaths occur in people of 65 years and over.
The Belgian flu epidemic of the 2018-2019 season lasted 8 weeks, which was average compared to previous seasons. An estimated 506,000 Belgians consulted their GP for flu-like symptoms. The severity indicators indicated that this flu epidemic was relatively no more serious than in previous seasons.

An estimated 600k people get a flu every year.
2-3% get hospitalised - take 3% - that's 18,000
6% of those hospitalised will die - that's 1,080 deaths a year from flu in Belgium
A fatality rate of 0.17% of those est infected

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

The second wave currently in Belgium at the minute.
165,880 positive cases from 1 Aug to present
506 deaths from 1 Aug to present
A fatality rate of 0.31% of those with positive tests

It's too easy this carry on.

Whatever way you want to read it, it doesn't impact the fatality rate.

It shows that Covid has killed roughly the same number of people in 10 weeks as the flu did in a year.

And, given that YOU produced this incredible dissertation, with the intention of proving the opposite, makes you look like an absolute plonker.

Flu is seasonal.

So it basically kills at a similar enough rate with probably a similar demograph once you take the first wave out of the equation.

Throw the shovel out of the hole lad.

You're the one here trying to say definitively that effects of Covid are much more severe on someone who contracts it than a flu.

We simply can't qualify that yet but it didn't stop you trying to claim otherwise.

[Franko]

Let's use Belgium as an example

https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/communicable-diseases/influenza-and-influenza-like-illness#:~:text=Of%20the%20hospitalized%20cases%2C%2013,average%20compared%20to%20previous%20seasons.

On average, around 600,000 people are affected by influenza-like illness (ILI) each year in Belgium, i.e., about 5% of the total population. About 50-60% of these cases are actual influenza cases.
While ILI is in most cases a benign illness, about 2% to 3% of influenza cases require hospitalization. Of the hospitalized cases, 13% develop severe complications, including 6% who die in the course of hospital stay; usually more than 80% of these deaths occur in people of 65 years and over.
The Belgian flu epidemic of the 2018-2019 season lasted 8 weeks, which was average compared to previous seasons. An estimated 506,000 Belgians consulted their GP for flu-like symptoms. The severity indicators indicated that this flu epidemic was relatively no more serious than in previous seasons.

An estimated 600k people get a flu every year.
2-3% get hospitalised - take 3% - that's 18,000
6% of those hospitalised will die - that's 1,080 deaths a year from flu in Belgium
A fatality rate of 0.17% of those est infected

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

The second wave currently in Belgium at the minute.
165,880 positive cases from 1 Aug to present
506 deaths from 1 Aug to present
A fatality rate of 0.31% of those with positive tests

It's too easy this carry on.

Whatever way you want to read it, it doesn't impact the fatality rate.

It shows that Covid has killed roughly the same number of people in 10 weeks as the flu did in a year.

And, given that YOU produced this incredible dissertation, with the intention of proving the opposite, makes you look like an absolute plonker.

Flu is seasonal.

So it basically kills at a similar enough rate with probably a similar demograph once you take the first wave out of the equation.

Throw the shovel out of the hole lad.

You're the one here trying to say definitively that effects of Covid are much more severe on someone who contracts it than a flu.

We simply can't qualify that yet but it didn't stop you trying to claim otherwise.

Seriously.  Stop.

[Angelo]

Let's use Belgium as an example

https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/communicable-diseases/influenza-and-influenza-like-illness#:~:text=Of%20the%20hospitalized%20cases%2C%2013,average%20compared%20to%20previous%20seasons.

On average, around 600,000 people are affected by influenza-like illness (ILI) each year in Belgium, i.e., about 5% of the total population. About 50-60% of these cases are actual influenza cases.
While ILI is in most cases a benign illness, about 2% to 3% of influenza cases require hospitalization. Of the hospitalized cases, 13% develop severe complications, including 6% who die in the course of hospital stay; usually more than 80% of these deaths occur in people of 65 years and over.
The Belgian flu epidemic of the 2018-2019 season lasted 8 weeks, which was average compared to previous seasons. An estimated 506,000 Belgians consulted their GP for flu-like symptoms. The severity indicators indicated that this flu epidemic was relatively no more serious than in previous seasons.

An estimated 600k people get a flu every year.
2-3% get hospitalised - take 3% - that's 18,000
6% of those hospitalised will die - that's 1,080 deaths a year from flu in Belgium
A fatality rate of 0.17% of those est infected

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

The second wave currently in Belgium at the minute.
165,880 positive cases from 1 Aug to present
506 deaths from 1 Aug to present
A fatality rate of 0.31% of those with positive tests

It's too easy this carry on.

Whatever way you want to read it, it doesn't impact the fatality rate.

It shows that Covid has killed roughly the same number of people in 10 weeks as the flu did in a year.

And, given that YOU produced this incredible dissertation, with the intention of proving the opposite, makes you look like an absolute plonker.

Flu is seasonal.

So it basically kills at a similar enough rate with probably a similar demograph once you take the first wave out of the equation.

Throw the shovel out of the hole lad.

You're the one here trying to say definitively that effects of Covid are much more severe on someone who contracts it than a flu.

We simply can't qualify that yet but it didn't stop you trying to claim otherwise.

Seriously.  Stop.

I'll show you some mercy so.

I'm sure the WHO will be looking for you shortly.

[seafoid]

   https://www.ft.com/content/3387ffe1-f9aa-4751-b6ac-e09f256d7966

   Long Covid' symptoms can last for months | Free to Read
Disorders in brain, lungs, heart, gut, liver and skin often persist, researchers say


Clive Cookson in London 18 HOURS AGO

Covid-19 has left many patients with debilitating, varied symptoms months after the initial infection has cleared, raising fears about the long-term health costs of the pandemic.

Patients infected in the first wave of the virus have continued to suffer disorders in the brain, lungs, heart, gut, liver, skin and other parts of the body, according to a new review of the disease conducted by the UK National Institute for Health Research.

Some of the symptoms of Long Covid, as the condition is often known, can be seriously debilitating, like "brain fog" and extreme exhaustion. Other consequences are milder, such as hair loss and the inability to taste or smell.

"A common theme is that symptoms arise in one physiological system then abate, only for symptoms to arise in a different system," the NIHR report said. The review aims to increase awareness of the condition among health workers, while stimulating further research since so little is known today about the prevalence or the causes of Long Covid.


Data from King's College London's Covid Symptom Study app, with 4m regular contributors, suggests that up to 20 per cent of infections lead to complications lasting longer than a month © Oli Scarff/AFP via Getty
A study in Italy found that 87 per cent of people discharged from a Rome hospital were still experiencing at least one symptom two months after the onset of Covid-19. At least 55 per cent had three or more symptoms including fatigue, breathing difficulties and pain in joints and chest.

Public Health England said last month that around 10 per cent of 'mild' Covid-19 cases who were not admitted to hospital reported symptoms lasting more than four weeks. A separate study by King's College London, using data from its Covid Symptom Study app with 4m regular contributors, suggested that between 10 per cent and 20 per cent of infections led to complications lasting longer than a month.

If around 10 per cent of people with confirmed Covid-19 will suffer from Long Covid, that would mean more than 3.8m people worldwide and more than 65,000 patients in the UK. But the NIHR researchers said it was too soon to give a reliable estimate of prevalence.

"The overwhelming message is that this is not a linear condition," said Elaine Maxwell, lead author of the NIHR report. "Many [patients] suffer a rollercoaster of symptoms moving around the body, from which they do not recover."

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There are some parallels between Covid-19 today and the start of the Aids epidemic in the 1980s, according to Philip Pearson, a respiratory physician at Northampton General Hospital and a member of the NIHR study group. "As we understood HIV infection better, we found out about all the different possible presentations of disease." he said. "Right now, as we try to define our terms, this feels like HIV research was then."

Long Covid's wide and fluctuating range of symptoms suggested that it was the result of several overlapping but different syndromes, including postviral fatigue and permanent organ damage, the NIHR report said.

"It feels as if this coronavirus is behaving quite differently to other viral infections like flu," Dr Pearson added

Despite all the uncertainties, the NIHR authors called for a working definition of Long Covid to be agreed as soon as possible. "The absence of a definition may impact the ability of patients to have their symptoms and experiences properly recognised and treated by healthcare services, which can in turn have a further psychological impact, especially for non-hospitalised patients who were never formally diagnosed."

In reaction to growing concerns about Long Covid, the UK's NHS last week committed £10m to set up a regional network of Long Covid clinics to assess patients' physical, cognitive and psychological condition and, if appropriate, refer them for specialist treatment.

[sid waddell]

1,205 cases
3 deaths

Holohan: "The number of hospitalisations is increasing faster than the exponential growth modelling predicted. That indicates a rapidly deteriorating disease trajectory nationally."

[armaghniac]

1,205 cases
3 deaths

Holohan: "The number of hospitalisations is increasing faster than the exponential growth modelling predicted. That indicates a rapidly deteriorating disease trajectory nationally."

It is surprising that Louth is relatively low, given that Monaghan, Meath and Newry and Mourne have relatively high numbers.
Dublin is only in the middle of the 26 counties now, although it in turn contains high and low areas.

[Rossfan]

There were no ICU beds available in Cork Hospitals last night and now I see Portlaoise can't take any new patients as they've had to close a ward due to Covid among staff.

[trileacman]

Anyone ever figure out why Covid isn't growing exponentially in the US? Seems to be following a linear progression which goes against what is currently thought about the virus.

[Angelo]

Anyone ever figure out why Covid isn't growing exponentially in the US? Seems to be following a linear progression which goes against what is currently thought about the virus.

Is it a state by state thing where peaks and valleys in different states at different times?

[armaghniac]

Anyone ever figure out why Covid isn't growing exponentially in the US? Seems to be following a linear progression which goes against what is currently thought about the virus.

Is it a state by state thing where peaks and valleys in different states at different times?

I find myself agreeing with this, which is unexpected.
The US is so big that it is a series of local situations, especially as every place has different regulations.

[Franko]

Let's use Belgium as an example

https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/communicable-diseases/influenza-and-influenza-like-illness#:~:text=Of%20the%20hospitalized%20cases%2C%2013,average%20compared%20to%20previous%20seasons.

On average, around 600,000 people are affected by influenza-like illness (ILI) each year in Belgium, i.e., about 5% of the total population. About 50-60% of these cases are actual influenza cases.
While ILI is in most cases a benign illness, about 2% to 3% of influenza cases require hospitalization. Of the hospitalized cases, 13% develop severe complications, including 6% who die in the course of hospital stay; usually more than 80% of these deaths occur in people of 65 years and over.
The Belgian flu epidemic of the 2018-2019 season lasted 8 weeks, which was average compared to previous seasons. An estimated 506,000 Belgians consulted their GP for flu-like symptoms. The severity indicators indicated that this flu epidemic was relatively no more serious than in previous seasons.

An estimated 600k people get a flu every year.
2-3% get hospitalised - take 3% - that's 18,000
6% of those hospitalised will die - that's 1,080 deaths a year from flu in Belgium
A fatality rate of 0.17% of those est infected

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

The second wave currently in Belgium at the minute.
165,880 positive cases from 1 Aug to present
506 deaths from 1 Aug to present
A fatality rate of 0.31% of those with positive tests

It's too easy this carry on.

Whatever way you want to read it, it doesn't impact the fatality rate.

It shows that Covid has killed roughly the same number of people in 10 weeks as the flu did in a year.

And, given that YOU produced this incredible dissertation, with the intention of proving the opposite, makes you look like an absolute plonker.

Flu is seasonal.

So it basically kills at a similar enough rate with probably a similar demograph once you take the first wave out of the equation.

Throw the shovel out of the hole lad.

You're the one here trying to say definitively that effects of Covid are much more severe on someone who contracts it than a flu.

We simply can't qualify that yet but it didn't stop you trying to claim otherwise.

Seriously.  Stop.

I'll show you some mercy so.

I'm sure the WHO will be looking for you shortly.

Lol

Whatever helps you sleep champ

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Anyone ever figure out why Covid isn't growing exponentially in the US? Seems to be following a linear progression which goes against what is currently thought about the virus.

Not sure, but it's possible this might have something to do with it:

"Hospitals have instead been ordered to send all COVID-19 patient information to a central database in Washington DC.

This will have a range of likely knock-on effects. For starters, the new database will not be available to the public, prompting inevitable questions over the accuracy and transparency of data which will now be interpreted and shared by the White House"

https://theconversation.com/us-coronavirus-data-will-now-go-straight-to-the-white-house-heres-what-this-means-for-the-world-142814

[bigfrank]

Do the new restrictions prohibit playing golf as visitors in both the north and south,ie members only and no travelling to courses you don't regularly play as a one off

[five points]

Anyone ever figure out why Covid isn't growing exponentially in the US? Seems to be following a linear progression which goes against what is currently thought about the virus.

I suspect it's because it's still warm in large areas over there. I expect the muck to hit the fan all over the States when winter sets in.