China Coronavirus

[armaghniac]

Something that is not mentioned frequently enough - Summer was supposed to be the 'easy bit of managing the virus, hard to see things getting significantly better before next Spring (& / or Vaccine).

They are not, and people who are acting the bollix now will ensure a complete lockdown at Christmas.

Wee question for you. If we get over the winter carrying on as we do now - people in every town and village testing positive, but next to nobody dying - would you be happy enough to return to normal then?

Not giving out by the way. Just trying to understand if there's anything could happen pre-vaccine that will  assuage your feeling that Covid is a serious threat to humanity.

This is the usual, with restrictions we can tolerate the situation, so lets get rid of the restrictions.  I thought there was an end to this discredited logic. Now that road accidents are less fatal why don't we get rid of seatbelts, airbags and the like?

You're evading the question.

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By the way, from the earliest days of the motorised vehicle there has been an understood risk. The benefits outweigh the negatives, as is easily comprehended by the fact that we will all get in our cars the next day even if an RTC has killed people we know.

Humans are inherently good at measuring risk and adapting to it. It's why we are top of the tree on this planet.

I'm asking you to evaluate at what point the risk is worth taking. For you alone. If it's not waiting for the vaccine, at what point do you personally assume it's okay to resume even a semi normal life?

And measures have been put in place to reduce the risk of motor accidents, which is why i mentioned those in my example. Humans can assess risk, the problem is that in motor accidents and Covid19 the risk you face is not the risk that you impose on others. We do not allow truck drivers say "In a accident between me and a pedestrian I'll be OK, so I am not going to stop at pedestrian crossings" and we have a similar approach to Covid19.

I have no doubt Covid19 will be controlled. There is a high probability of a usable vaccine, there are 36 vaccines in clinical trials on humans and at least 89 preclinical vaccines. There is a good probability of treatment becoming many times as effective, there are testing technologies being developed that would allow everyone be easily tested and this would allow the virus be eliminated. The intersection of these probabilities means that this winter may be a problem, but not next. In the meantime people can do most things, if they carefully calibrate the line.

Truck drivers have rules to follow. Pedestrians have rules to follow. But the reason why so few trucks run into pedestrians is little to do with those rules, and everything to with eyes, ears and noses.

Give a 10 year old a bike and a few harsh words and he will always avoid a truck.

Humans are inherently good at assessing risk.

People are assessing the risk to themselves and not the damage they are doing to others.

[GetOverTheBar]

New cases over the past seven days in NI.

Belfast +117
Mid & East Antrim +72
Armagh Banbridge & Craigavon +55
Antrim & Newtownabbey +41

I'll guarantee anyone that if the above numbers had occurred in Newry Mourne & Down or Derry & Strabane these Council areas would be in lockdown by now

How can you guarantee that? What about mid Ulster, how many cases gets them locked down by your lockometer?

(Mid) Ulster Says No! (To Lockdown)

[Eire90]

disgraceful scenes in kilarney last night

[Farrandeelin]

disgraceful scenes in kilarney last night

What went on?

[thewobbler]

disgraceful scenes in kilarney last night

What went on?

50-60 young ones dancing and singing in the street, looks like just after closing time. It used to be called Saturday night, before the thought police managed to poison so many minds.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

disgraceful scenes in kilarney last night

What went on?

50-60 young ones dancing and singing in the street, looks like just after closing time. It used to be called Saturday night, before the thought police managed to poison so many minds.

who are the thought police? what did they do to posion minds?

[Jeepers Creepers]

disgraceful scenes in kilarney last night

What went on?

50-60 young ones dancing and singing in the street, looks like just after closing time. It used to be called Saturday night, before the thought police managed to poison so many minds.

Closing time of food serving 90 minute sittings pubs?

[armaghniac]

disgraceful scenes in kilarney last night

What went on?

50-60 young ones dancing and singing in the street, looks like just after closing time. It used to be called Saturday night, before the thought police managed to poison so many minds.

Before there was a global pandemic, you mean.

[Cunny Funt]

My weekly update.

Cases in the ROI this week - 807 (75 more than last week)
Deaths - 0 (8 days in a row without a death reported)

[GetOverTheBar]

disgraceful scenes in kilarney last night

What went on?

50-60 young ones dancing and singing in the street, looks like just after closing time. It used to be called Saturday night, before the thought police managed to poison so many minds.

You lads should take a drive through Belfast on a Saturday night.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Wee question for you. If we get over the winter carrying on as we do now - people in every town and village testing positive, but next to nobody dying - would you be happy enough to return to normal then?

Obviously, if lethality drops through the floor, then yes, the balance of economics versus public health will change.

It *would* appear that the admissions rate now per case identified is much lower than, say, April.

Is that due to more extensive testing, or is that due to a mutated virus being less dangerous?

[Main Street]

it could be that the woman is working for crap wages  and can't afford to lose a weekend shift. Then thought better about it 2 days later, but up until her son came home from a virus infested shoddy workplace factory, she was probably doing alright.

Read the article again, or maybe don't bother as you are set in your ways, your probably one of those do gooders that also defends the ethnic travelling community when they race their pieballs down the motorway.

Yeah, I read the article and it says nothing about the mother having an english language deficiency or even being a dreaded "foreigner".
But you have confirmed that you're just a racist turd,  which doesn't seem to bother contributors to this thread.

[thewobbler]

Wee question for you. If we get over the winter carrying on as we do now - people in every town and village testing positive, but next to nobody dying - would you be happy enough to return to normal then?

Obviously, if lethality drops through the floor, then yes, the balance of economics versus public health will change.

It *would* appear that the admissions rate now per case identified is much lower than, say, April.

Is that due to more extensive testing, or is that due to a mutated virus being less dangerous?

My cynical self says that the testing is producing false positives.

But it doesn't really matter I suppose. If the admissions curve stays flat, it's a great result.

[Farrandeelin]

Wee question for you. If we get over the winter carrying on as we do now - people in every town and village testing positive, but next to nobody dying - would you be happy enough to return to normal then?

Obviously, if lethality drops through the floor, then yes, the balance of economics versus public health will change.

It *would* appear that the admissions rate now per case identified is much lower than, say, April.

Is that due to more extensive testing, or is that due to a mutated virus being less dangerous?

Regarding your last paragraph, I imagine both are true. I also believe that the age range being younger is stabilising the amount of deaths too. Whether or not there'll be future repercussions for people who test positive remains to be seen.

Oh and they never seem to tell us about the denoted cases in the news either. Not that there are much but you would wonder about it.

[Kidder81]

Wee question for you. If we get over the winter carrying on as we do now - people in every town and village testing positive, but next to nobody dying - would you be happy enough to return to normal then?

Obviously, if lethality drops through the floor, then yes, the balance of economics versus public health will change.

It *would* appear that the admissions rate now per case identified is much lower than, say, April.

Is that due to more extensive testing, or is that due to a mutated virus being less dangerous?

My cynical self says that the testing is producing false positives.

But it doesn't really matter I suppose. If the admissions curve stays flat, it's a great result.

Saw an article over the weekend, Covid fatigue prevented me from reading it all, that testing kits in the US are giving "yes/no" results but in many cases there isn't even enough of the virus in the person to be contagious. I suppose this is the case in a lot of countries

Edit - article link


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html