China Coronavirus

[marty34]

I'd say opposition parties will, when things settle down, be putting some effort into getting enquries set up to establish all that happened.

[trailer]

There isn't and won't be enough tests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52405852

[imtommygunn]

More room. You would have them spread out over the hotel. Lives are being lost with the close proximity of rooms in nursing homes

What difference would close proximity of rooms make if they were isolating and staying in the rooms? Any nursing home I've ever been to it hasn't been like the old people are going mad visiting each others rooms. They sit in communal areas and then they go to their rooms.

Then how would they get up the stairs lol. Everyone takes the lift separately. Then what if people have touched the lift buttons etc etc.

Has it been said that the close proximity of rooms in nursing homes is causing the issue here or is that your take on it?

I think the idea is to divide the population of the care home up. Not move it in it's entirety to one hotel, but divide it in 4 say and move to 3 hotels.

I still think staff are a good part of the reason for this problem (through no fault of their own). Between asyptomatic nature and lack of PPE.

[trailer]

More room. You would have them spread out over the hotel. Lives are being lost with the close proximity of rooms in nursing homes

What difference would close proximity of rooms make if they were isolating and staying in the rooms? Any nursing home I've ever been to it hasn't been like the old people are going mad visiting each others rooms. They sit in communal areas and then they go to their rooms.

Then how would they get up the stairs lol. Everyone takes the lift separately. Then what if people have touched the lift buttons etc etc.

Has it been said that the close proximity of rooms in nursing homes is causing the issue here or is that your take on it?

I think the idea is to divide the population of the care home up. Not move it in it's entirety to one hotel, but divide it in 4 say and move to 3 hotels.

I still think staff are a good part of the reason for this problem (through no fault of their own). Between asyptomatic nature and lack of PPE.

Yeah I'd agree. And the solution is testing and contact tracing. Guess what? It's not happening.

[HiMucker]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

Making what up? What you mean it isn't helping? Do you think the CMO is logging on to check out the views of the posters on this board?

Making up that more people will die from causes of lockdown than the actual Coronavirus. It's not true you made it up so admit you made it up.

It's nothing to do with CMO it's well known that lots of people think shit they read on the internet is true when it isn't. . .

By all means say you'd prefer the lockdown was lifted but don't magic up untruths to try and back up your point!!

I didn't make it up. It's true. There's a direct correlation between unemployment and the death rate.
The effect on the populations mental health and well being will be felt for years to come.
Coronavirus is not going away. We must live with it. This lockdown is not a solution. These are the facts and to ignore them is foolish.

I'm very much in agreement with screenexile, Trailer is full of shit and scaremongering.  Posting opinions as facts.

I'd be more worried about the direct correlation between COVID-19 and death rate for now. The lockdown is giving time to come up with solutions to be able to manage the spread, and also to plan how to start to lessen the lockdown so that we aren't caught up in another surge over time.

Its amazing that this has to be spelt out to seemingly intelligent people.

[trailer]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

Making what up? What you mean it isn't helping? Do you think the CMO is logging on to check out the views of the posters on this board?

Making up that more people will die from causes of lockdown than the actual Coronavirus. It's not true you made it up so admit you made it up.

It's nothing to do with CMO it's well known that lots of people think shit they read on the internet is true when it isn't. . .

By all means say you'd prefer the lockdown was lifted but don't magic up untruths to try and back up your point!!

I didn't make it up. It's true. There's a direct correlation between unemployment and the death rate.
The effect on the populations mental health and well being will be felt for years to come.
Coronavirus is not going away. We must live with it. This lockdown is not a solution. These are the facts and to ignore them is foolish.

Of course there is but you said it would kill more people than the virus. . . you made that up!!

I'm fairly sure that with the best medical and scientific minds across the world calling for a lockdown they would have these figures to hand and calculated that a lockdown would result in less deaths overall from COVID/Unemployment etc. than continuing things as normal!!

OK. Lets look at what the best medical and scientific minds across the world have said...

WHO - No human to human transmission, travel bans don't work. The WHO actually praised China for its transparency. They got the initial response wrong.
UK - CMO advised Herd immunity. Initially advised because they used a Flu infection model and not a Covid-19 which is much higher. This is like the time someone forgot to switch hawkeye from football to hurling mode. Clowns. Amateur hour. And it wasn't ministers doing this, it was the so called best medical and scientific minds.
The UK haven't been testing suspected cases. They've no idea of the picture. How can we know death or infection rates if we're not testing? No one can explain this. No matter how the death rate is worked out it cannot be accurate.
It's known this effects elderly more than the young, yet as someone pointed out the virus is running rife in our care homes. They knew this and couldn't put measures in place to stop it.
Not enough tests. Not enough PPE. Unprepared yet we should've know from Feb. Days lost. It wasn't Matt Hancock or Robin Swann taking the steps. Remember guided by the science. Wankers couldn't run a bath never-mind a response to a pandemic that they were supposed to be prepared for.
Worldwide - countries can't even agree on how to count the cases or deaths.

So excuse me if I take with a pinch of salt what the best medical and scientific minds across the world are saying. The game is up. People see this bullshit for what it is. Lives ruined. Careers ruined. Untold damage to the economy and mental health.

And I forgot to point out that Randox in NI, a UK company, actually make the test yet none were ordered. But we've the best people working on it.

[JohnDenver]

There isn't and won't be enough tests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52405852

Trailer's solution: OPEN THE GATES, SET US FREE

[lenny]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

Making what up? What you mean it isn't helping? Do you think the CMO is logging on to check out the views of the posters on this board?

Making up that more people will die from causes of lockdown than the actual Coronavirus. It's not true you made it up so admit you made it up.

It's nothing to do with CMO it's well known that lots of people think shit they read on the internet is true when it isn't. . .

By all means say you'd prefer the lockdown was lifted but don't magic up untruths to try and back up your point!!

I didn't make it up. It's true. There's a direct correlation between unemployment and the death rate.
The effect on the populations mental health and well being will be felt for years to come.
Coronavirus is not going away. We must live with it. This lockdown is not a solution. These are the facts and to ignore them is foolish.

Of course there is but you said it would kill more people than the virus. . . you made that up!!

I'm fairly sure that with the best medical and scientific minds across the world calling for a lockdown they would have these figures to hand and calculated that a lockdown would result in less deaths overall from COVID/Unemployment etc. than continuing things as normal!!

OK. Lets look at what the best medical and scientific minds across the world have said...

WHO - No human to human transmission, travel bans don't work. The WHO actually praised China for its transparency. They got the initial response wrong.
UK - CMO advised Herd immunity. Initially advised because they used a Flu infection model and not a Covid-19 which is much higher. This is like the time someone forgot to switch hawkeye from football to hurling mode. Clowns. Amateur hour. And it wasn't ministers doing this, it was the so called best medical and scientific minds.
The UK haven't been testing suspected cases. They've no idea of the picture. How can we know death or infection rates if we're not testing? No one can explain this. No matter how the death rate is worked out it cannot be accurate.
It's known this effects elderly more than the young, yet as someone pointed out the virus is running rife in our care homes. They knew this and couldn't put measures in place to stop it.
Not enough tests. Not enough PPE. Unprepared yet we should've know from Feb. Days lost. It wasn't Matt Hancock or Robin Swann taking the steps. Remember guided by the science. Wankers couldn't run a bath never-mind a response to a pandemic that they were supposed to be prepared for.
Worldwide - countries can't even agree on how to count the cases or deaths.

So excuse me if I take with a pinch of salt what the best medical and scientific minds across the world are saying. The game is up. People see this bullshit for what it is. Lives ruined. Careers ruined. Untold damage to the economy and mental health.

And I forgot to point out that Randox in NI, a UK company, actually make the test yet none were ordered. But we've the best people working on it.

Just to correct you, on January 14 WHO said in a press conference that there was human to human transmission. They also issued instructions for countries as to how best to deal with this. Countries like the uk and USA ignored this advice until well into March.

[trailer]

There isn't and won't be enough tests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52405852

Trailer's solution: OPEN THE GATES, SET US FREE

Liberate the 6 

I've outlined the sensible measures that should be taken. But following the CMOs blindly is very dangerous. Remember the Scottish CMO's advice was to stay at home... but not for her as she fucked off to her 2nd home. But yeah lets follow these medical and scientific advisers.
Our own CMO in NI couldn't advise to close schools in NI even though they were closing them in the ROI ... ON THE SAME f**king ISLAND!!!

Again sensible measures yes, but restrictions need to be relaxed.

Feel free to jump in if I am wrong...

[Rossfan]

And trailer has hit the nail on the head
People are starting to see through this bullshit scientists advise
They made a balls up and are trying to cover themselves

No comment necessary

[HiMucker]

There isn't and won't be enough tests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52405852

Do you know that there is a factory currently being built in Antrim, to house 100s of machines, with each having the capability of doing 1000s of tests every few hours? This is state of the art technology. This has been purpose built because of covid-19. So again, you haven't a clue that there won't be enough tests. You are right that there currently isn't enough, and you may end up being right that there will never be enough, but you don't know that as fact, and Ive seen enough evidence to have hope that that won't be the case.

[J70]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

Making what up? What you mean it isn't helping? Do you think the CMO is logging on to check out the views of the posters on this board?

Making up that more people will die from causes of lockdown than the actual Coronavirus. It's not true you made it up so admit you made it up.

It's nothing to do with CMO it's well known that lots of people think shit they read on the internet is true when it isn't. . .

By all means say you'd prefer the lockdown was lifted but don't magic up untruths to try and back up your point!!

I didn't make it up. It's true. There's a direct correlation between unemployment and the death rate.
The effect on the populations mental health and well being will be felt for years to come.
Coronavirus is not going away. We must live with it. This lockdown is not a solution. These are the facts and to ignore them is foolish.

Of course there is but you said it would kill more people than the virus. . . you made that up!!

I'm fairly sure that with the best medical and scientific minds across the world calling for a lockdown they would have these figures to hand and calculated that a lockdown would result in less deaths overall from COVID/Unemployment etc. than continuing things as normal!!

OK. Lets look at what the best medical and scientific minds across the world have said...

WHO - No human to human transmission, travel bans don't work. The WHO actually praised China for its transparency. They got the initial response wrong.
UK - CMO advised Herd immunity. Initially advised because they used a Flu infection model and not a Covid-19 which is much higher. This is like the time someone forgot to switch hawkeye from football to hurling mode. Clowns. Amateur hour. And it wasn't ministers doing this, it was the so called best medical and scientific minds.
The UK haven't been testing suspected cases. They've no idea of the picture. How can we know death or infection rates if we're not testing? No one can explain this. No matter how the death rate is worked out it cannot be accurate.
It's known this effects elderly more than the young, yet as someone pointed out the virus is running rife in our care homes. They knew this and couldn't put measures in place to stop it.
Not enough tests. Not enough PPE. Unprepared yet we should've know from Feb. Days lost. It wasn't Matt Hancock or Robin Swann taking the steps. Remember guided by the science. Wankers couldn't run a bath never-mind a response to a pandemic that they were supposed to be prepared for.
Worldwide - countries can't even agree on how to count the cases or deaths.

So excuse me if I take with a pinch of salt what the best medical and scientific minds across the world are saying. The game is up. People see this bullshit for what it is. Lives ruined. Careers ruined. Untold damage to the economy and mental health.

Its the fault of scientists and medical experts that countries were unprepared for the current novel viral pandemic.

NOT the politicians and various levels of governments? Not the healthboards? Not the hospital and nursing home administrations?

The scientists were supposed to be stockpiling the PPE and ventilators and putting the contingency plans in place?

I'll grant you that the herd immunity idea in the UK was dumb, but that was hardly the typical response across the globe, now was it?

The experts can only work with the knowledge they accumulate as they go when it comes to a new virus. Its always going to be found wanting in retrospect as decisions have to made in the short term based on incomplete information.

That doesn't mean Joe Bloggs sitting at the bar is equally qualified to make the decisions about how to proceed.

And the fact is that we do now know a hell of a lot more than we did three months ago. You can take the advice from the experts with a pinch of salt if you wish, but I'm not sure where that leaves you. Unless you're the governor of Georgia, in which case you may be bringing big problems onto your state.

[five points]

Just to correct you, on January 14 WHO said in a press conference that there was human to human transmission. They also issued instructions for countries as to how best to deal with this. Countries like the uk and USA ignored this advice until well into March.

Source? Note that on the same day, they tweeted the precise opposite.

World Health Organization (WHO) @WHO
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China.

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

[five points]

I've outlined the sensible measures that should be taken. But following the CMOs blindly is very dangerous. Remember the Scottish CMO's advice was to stay at home... but not for her as she fucked off to her 2nd home. But yeah lets follow these medical and scientific advisers.
Our own CMO in NI couldn't advise to close schools in NI even though they were closing them in the ROI ... ON THE SAME f**king ISLAND!!!

Again sensible measures yes, but restrictions need to be relaxed.

Feel free to jump in if I am wrong...

You're not wrong.

The Irish CMO was up to his balls in the cervical cancer screening debacle too.

[trailer]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

Making what up? What you mean it isn't helping? Do you think the CMO is logging on to check out the views of the posters on this board?

Making up that more people will die from causes of lockdown than the actual Coronavirus. It's not true you made it up so admit you made it up.

It's nothing to do with CMO it's well known that lots of people think shit they read on the internet is true when it isn't. . .

By all means say you'd prefer the lockdown was lifted but don't magic up untruths to try and back up your point!!

I didn't make it up. It's true. There's a direct correlation between unemployment and the death rate.
The effect on the populations mental health and well being will be felt for years to come.
Coronavirus is not going away. We must live with it. This lockdown is not a solution. These are the facts and to ignore them is foolish.

Of course there is but you said it would kill more people than the virus. . . you made that up!!

I'm fairly sure that with the best medical and scientific minds across the world calling for a lockdown they would have these figures to hand and calculated that a lockdown would result in less deaths overall from COVID/Unemployment etc. than continuing things as normal!!

OK. Lets look at what the best medical and scientific minds across the world have said...

WHO - No human to human transmission, travel bans don't work. The WHO actually praised China for its transparency. They got the initial response wrong.
UK - CMO advised Herd immunity. Initially advised because they used a Flu infection model and not a Covid-19 which is much higher. This is like the time someone forgot to switch hawkeye from football to hurling mode. Clowns. Amateur hour. And it wasn't ministers doing this, it was the so called best medical and scientific minds.
The UK haven't been testing suspected cases. They've no idea of the picture. How can we know death or infection rates if we're not testing? No one can explain this. No matter how the death rate is worked out it cannot be accurate.
It's known this effects elderly more than the young, yet as someone pointed out the virus is running rife in our care homes. They knew this and couldn't put measures in place to stop it.
Not enough tests. Not enough PPE. Unprepared yet we should've know from Feb. Days lost. It wasn't Matt Hancock or Robin Swann taking the steps. Remember guided by the science. Wankers couldn't run a bath never-mind a response to a pandemic that they were supposed to be prepared for.
Worldwide - countries can't even agree on how to count the cases or deaths.

So excuse me if I take with a pinch of salt what the best medical and scientific minds across the world are saying. The game is up. People see this bullshit for what it is. Lives ruined. Careers ruined. Untold damage to the economy and mental health.

And I forgot to point out that Randox in NI, a UK company, actually make the test yet none were ordered. But we've the best people working on it.

Just to correct you, on January 14 WHO said in a press conference that there was human to human transmission. They also issued instructions for countries as to how best to deal with this. Countries like the uk and USA ignored this advice until well into March.

They said that there might be limited human to human transmission after taking China's word that there wasn't. They then criticised travel bans. It has been a wake up call.

On another note the US and the UK as well as a host of other countries are bound to have know the extent in Dec 19 or it begs the question what were their intelligence services doing?