China Coronavirus

[Smurfy123]

Quite unbelievably a test study just out of China that 98% of the people that tested positive for Coronavirus detected it indoors.
This is the latest official results coming out of China

[Smokin Joe]

According to the government guidance Factories can return to work even where employees cannot maintain a 2 metre distance.  There should be mitigating factors such as the use of PPE or working back to back etc.
I think in couple of weeks most will be back to work.

[RedHand88]

People already giving up. Roads busier. Saw lots of teenagers together. Older people out and about. The  game is up. This isn't a solution. Proper sensible measures, but let's get back to work.

May could get really messy with regards compliance of measures.

[imtommygunn]

trailer for first minister.

[Rossfan]

Jases ye're bad enough already!!

[screenexile]

What's your problem??

You've made a claim and I've asked you to back it up it's not that difficult!!

When this comes to pass, I'll count up the numbers and send them to you. Until then brush up on English tenses.

No... f**k off!

Peddling nonsense that more people will die of suicide and economic hardship than the virus is just not true so stop making shit up. If you want to back up assertions with evidence go ahead but talking nonsense doesn't cut it in a crisis like this.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/2738159646293164/

[Smurfy123]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed
Stay indoors
No sports
No schools
No mass
No work


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

[thebigfella]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed
Stay indoors
No sports
No schools
No mass
No work


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

If this is what it takes, then keep the place in lockdown.

[trailer]

Facts.

There isn't enough tests correct

There won't be enough tests Why not? There is currently a lot of resource and money being pumped in to make this happen. Whether it is or will be enough is debatable or remains to be seen

The virus is everywhere without widespread testing its impossible to know that

We (or at least our Government) cannot come up with a sensible plan There is a plan, but unfortunately it has a massive economic impact and a massive societal one as well. No plan would have a much larger  economic, societal and healthcare impact. Seems that you think the cure is worse than the poison?

A vaccine is at best is 18months away I'd say thats accurate

We must learn to live with it Yes, thats correct, and involves long term social distancing measures until a vaccine is found, or the virus is brought under control, or we risk the collapse of the health service, large scale deaths and all the major societal and economic impacts that entails

In a different world we'd have a competent government with a competent CMO who knew what to do. But we don't. Sitting at home is not a long term solution. You might not want it to be the long term solution, but the social distancing measures is probably the only way of dealing with this until there is a vaccine or it is brought under control. 

Liberate the 6 counties!!! (Tongue in cheek)

Try to answer this as best as possible.

There isn't the capacity to test everyone who wants or needs a test. Either Lab capacity or even the logistics of places and nurses to do it. That's why it's so selective at the minute.

The virus is everywhere. I've seen the Map of the North and there's been infections and deaths in every council area. Due to lack of testing we don't know exact infections levels. It's the same in the South.

There isn't a plan. It's all been made up on the fly. Herd immunity, contain, delay, mitigate. 5 pillars, 5 tests, 6 point battle plan, 40,000 tests, 100,000 tests, not counting deaths in care homes. The Tory government and the CMO have had more positions than a porn movie. If that's the plan, then we'd all be safer coming up with our own ideas.
Long term social distancing. That's a good sensible measure. I agree. But not this lockdown. No one agrees this is a long term solution

Some ideas on what should happen

Schools and Creches reopen. Even if it's 2 days a week initially
Manufacturing back to work. Split shifts, Team A Monday, Team B Tues etc sensible measures. Staggered breaks
All shops reopen, Clothing, hardware, garden centres, sports shops. Again sensible measures taken, limiting numbers etc.
All youth sports teams and games back.

[trailer]

What's your problem??

You've made a claim and I've asked you to back it up it's not that difficult!!

When this comes to pass, I'll count up the numbers and send them to you. Until then brush up on English tenses.

No... f**k off!

Peddling nonsense that more people will die of suicide and economic hardship than the virus is just not true so stop making shit up. If you want to back up assertions with evidence go ahead but talking nonsense doesn't cut it in a crisis like this.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/2738159646293164/

DV is up. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/uk-domestic-abuse-helplines-report-surge-in-calls-during-lockdown
Referrals to Social workers down. (Child welfasre) https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/08/fears-for-child-welfare-as-protection-referrals-plummet-in-england

These are a few key indicators that everything is not rosey in the garden. The social impact of this lockdown will be evident for years to come should it not be lifted.

[imtommygunn]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed
Stay indoors
No sports
No schools
No mass
No work


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

The reckoning is there are more deaths happening from other causes are people are too afraid to go to hospital. I would say it's the most likely place you'll get this at the minute. That is a good part of the reasons why hospitals are quieter. Less chemo is going on. Less scheduled operations.

Although I do think pubs being shut has reduced the number of people.

[Smurfy123]

Have to agree with Trailer
Out of the 276 deaths in the north 233 were over 75
Let's take steps to help the old and vulnerable
It's a national scandal that the care homes were not sorted first
They should have moved them into hotels when hotels closed
Straight away

[screenexile]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

[trailer]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

Making what up? What you mean it isn't helping? Do you think the CMO is logging on to check out the views of the posters on this board?

[screenexile]

Screenexile what do you think should be the way forward here?
Now saying as we won't have a vaccine for at least 2 years. At least
Keep shops closed - No shops should be able to manage social distancing within guidelines
Stay indoors not necessarily but there should be some guidelines
No sports depends on the sport... team sports probably shouldn't happen/swimming
No schools I think schools need to be opened for next year but need guidance from doctors on the risks and how to mitigate
No mass no mass people are well able to pray at home and watch masses online if they have to
No work we need to get back to work but work conditions have to change


1/3 of all deaths in the north happened in the confined spaces of carehomes even though they were closed 2 weeks before lockdown. Yes age is a factor

The curve has well and truly flattened to the extent that hospitals are quiet compared to what they normally are

I'm not saying we need to lockdown indefinitely it's just not feasible but trailer making up shit isn't helping!

Making what up? What you mean it isn't helping? Do you think the CMO is logging on to check out the views of the posters on this board?

Making up that more people will die from causes of lockdown than the actual Coronavirus. It's not true you made it up so admit you made it up.

It's nothing to do with CMO it's well known that lots of people think shit they read on the internet is true when it isn't. . .

By all means say you'd prefer the lockdown was lifted but don't magic up untruths to try and back up your point!!