China Coronavirus

[trailer]

I don't people will accept the government enforcing these restrictions long term. As more and more businesses close permanently people will start to realise that there livelihoods are gone forever. Imagine someone who's 50+ losing their job? It could take years to get the economy going again, that person maybe unemployed for the rest for their lives.

[J70]

I don't people will accept the government enforcing these restrictions long term. As more and more businesses close permanently people will start to realise that there livelihoods are gone forever. Imagine someone who's 50+ losing their job? It could take years to get the economy going again, that person maybe unemployed for the rest for their lives.

US states like Georgia are doing a dry run for everyone else, opening things up again in the middle of this.

Let's see how that goes.

[Ed Ricketts]

Looking at the figures for Portugal (twice population of all Ireland) are they doing anything different to the rest of that area (Spain) ?

Not too sure but again, Lisbon - 500k population. Madrid must be around 4/5 million odd. Pretty much a numbers game?

https://www.politico.eu/article/how-portugal-became-europes-coronavirus-exception/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/swift-action-kept-portugals-coronavirus-crisis-in-check-says-minister

tl;dr - they had the advantages of a smaller population and later arrival of the virus. And they actually put those advantages to use, unlike other countries that sat on their hands during crucial weeks in early March.

From one of the above links:

SPEED OF RESPONSE - Number of days that had passed between the third death caused by COVID-19 in each country and the implementation of each measure in that country.


*A value of zero days is displayed when the measure was implemented before the third death caused by COVID-19 was registered in the country. Regional differences in Germany.

[Smurfy123]

Domestic Violence up
Cancer patients waiting list up
Depression up
Economy on a tread
Businesses ruined
Education stopped


Time to get this thing going again whilst keeping social distancing in place where possible.
Things need to start moving again
We are stuck with this for 2 years minimum
It's either live like this for a few years or get back on the saddle
Lives will be lost no doubt

[RadioGAAGAA]

Time to get this thing going again whilst keeping social distancing in place where possible.

Please stop. Your coming across like a fukkin redneck american.

Whenever there are either:
-- antibody tests available in significant numbers or
-- significant actively infected weekly test rates
then it makes sense to look at relaxing measures as you've the information to quickly guide the effect of any relaxation before its too late.

Before that point, doing something stupid could easily kill tens of thousands of people.

[five points]

Time to get this thing going again whilst keeping social distancing in place where possible.

Please stop. Your coming across like a fukkin redneck american.

Whenever there are either:
-- antibody tests available in significant numbers or
-- significant actively infected weekly test rates
then it makes sense to look at relaxing measures as you've the information to quickly guide the effect of any relaxation before its too late.

Before that point, doing something stupid could easily kill tens of thousands of people.

I agree with him. It's beyond a joke at this stage.

People not even getting cancer treatment because they're afraid to go to the hospital.

Families losing children and nobody allowed to go to funerals.

People in their 80s and 90s living alone  who haven't been in the same room as another human being for almost a month. Many of whom have not long to live in any event.

We are human beings, not robots. We cannot live like robots without massive and permanent damage.

Enough.

[armaghniac]

I agree with him. It's beyond a joke at this stage.

People not even getting cancer treatment because they're afraid to go to the hospital.

This kind of comment reveals the callous nonsense underlying these random counterfactual rants about ending the lockdown. 

If the government abolishes the lockdown then people will not get cancer treatment and will still be afraid to go to the hospital because the hospitals will be full of people with the virus. The best thing for people with cancer is to greatly reduce the virus so that they can go to hospital, so they benefit from the lockdown.

Yes, we'd all like to have normal funerals etc but that is only possible if the virus is controlled, it isn't a question of bureaucratic directive.

[five points]

I agree with him. It's beyond a joke at this stage.

People not even getting cancer treatment because they're afraid to go to the hospital.

This kind of comment reveals the callous nonsense underlying these random counterfactual rants about ending the lockdown. 

If the government abolishes the lockdown then people will not get cancer treatment and will still be afraid to go to the hospital because the hospitals will be full of people with the virus. The best thing for people with cancer is to greatly reduce the virus so that they can go to hospital, so they benefit from the lockdown.

Yes, we'd all like to have normal funerals etc but that is only possible if the virus is controlled, it isn't a question of bureaucratic directive.

Okay then, stick with what's going on now, empty hospitals and almost nobody getting cancer treatment. It's a grim picture.  People are dying but not just of the virus.  https://www.derrynow.com/news/news/536178/the-cure-may-be-much-worse-than-the-disease-says-a-derry-doctor-who-describes-aspects-of-the-ongoing-coronavirus-lockdown-as-non-evidence-based-insanity.html

[Smurfy123]

So what do you expect until a vaccine is ready?
The quickest vaccine ever made was 4 years! EVER
The deaths in the north have been relatively low
Remember Robbie Swann predicted 15000 deaths even with lockdown.
Now he is saying 1500 maximum
If I hear one more time we are taking scientific advice I will throw the tv out
Now here's one
The scientists across the water have said Cheltenham and the Liverpool match cause no damage?
Work that one out
Life may return to normal

[five points]

The scientists across the water have said Cheltenham and the Liverpool match cause no damage?
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And the scientists in the south tell us we don't need masks, that they make things worse.    F**k them, at this stage they're only covering their own backsides.

[Ed Ricketts]

Time to get this thing going again whilst keeping social distancing in place where possible.

Please stop. Your coming across like a fukkin redneck american.

Whenever there are either:
-- antibody tests available in significant numbers or
-- significant actively infected weekly test rates
then it makes sense to look at relaxing measures as you've the information to quickly guide the effect of any relaxation before its too late.

Before that point, doing something stupid could easily kill tens of thousands of people.

I agree with him. It's beyond a joke at this stage.

People not even getting cancer treatment because they're afraid to go to the hospital.

Families losing children and nobody allowed to go to funerals.

People in their 80s and 90s living alone  who haven't been in the same room as another human being for almost a month. Many of whom have not long to live in any event.

We are human beings, not robots. We cannot live like robots without massive and permanent damage.

Enough.

What you're really after here is an end to the virus, not an end to the lockdown.

All of the issues mentioned above would be made worse by opening things up and letting the virus run riot. More stalled cancer treatment, more dead kids, more locked away vulnerable old people.

There might be a cold hard economic argument for ending the lockdown, but it's just bizarre to try to use public health issues as reasons to do so.

[gallsman]

So what do you expect until a vaccine is ready?
The quickest vaccine ever made was 4 years! EVER
The deaths in the north have been relatively low
Remember Robbie Swann predicted 15000 deaths even with lockdown.
Now he is saying 1500 maximum
If I hear one more time we are taking scientific advice I will throw the tv out
Now here's one
The scientists across the water have said Cheltenham and the Liverpool match cause no damage?
Work that one out
Life may return to normal

Two days ago you claimed he predicted 2000 deaths.

What scientists have said that Cheltenham and Liverpool match did no damage?

Robbie Swann said this morning that his early predictions of close to 2000 deaths are massively off the mark

[Smurfy123]

Sorry I did mean 15000. Check it out if you think it's Crap
The biggest recession to hit the world ever
Saying on channel 4 that's our children's children's children will be paying for it
Now that makes you sit up

[gallsman]

You meant 15,000 but typed 2,000 by mistake?

[Smurfy123]

Yes Gallsman
What's the problem with that