China Coronavirus

[RadioGAAGAA]

Gallsman you redesign offices so that they are not coming together
Moving tables desks computers around is really not that hard to do.

Yes, because that is what businesses do - they buy or rent big expansive office spaces which have loads of room for "moving around tables" so that occupancy density goes down. 

Schools need to reopen and if some children live with grandparents them they stuff off.

So what happens at meal times?

It is going to get to a stage where things will close for good
Pubs
Restaurants
Fitness studios
Retail shops

And with that the knock-on affect is Huge.

Jesus wept. Yeah, 'cos that'll work.

People in packed bars - thats why you go - to socialise.
Cooks handling food not for their own consumption.
Gyms - hard to see how having shared changing rooms, handling sweaty machines/weights and heavy breathing indoors could have anything to do with spreading a virus. Nope. Can't see a connection there at all.

The economy is falling apart in front of us and we will be paying for this for a very long time
The amount of unemployment after this will be catastrophic

The economy can be rebuilt. A lost life cannot.

[five points]

So what happens at meal times?

Bring lunches for a few weeks and put them eating at their desks.

People in packed bars - thats why you go - to socialise.

Some of us go for the drink and dislike packed places.

Cooks handling food not for their own consumption.

Round here most of the takeaways are operating almost as normal. Seems safe.

Gyms - hard to see how having shared changing rooms, handling sweaty machines/weights and heavy breathing indoors could have anything to do with spreading a virus. Nope. Can't see a connection there at all.

Agreed.

The economy can be rebuilt. A lost life cannot.

A ruined economy means more lost lives. Lots more.

[armaghniac]

Per capita Sweden is eleventh for deaths, worse than Ireland, better than UK. Also, the Swedish tend to be more compliant and are doing what they are told largely. Wouldn't work the same way here.

Sweden has 185 deaths today their weekend backlog arrives on a Tuesday.

The Italian strategy of filling their hospitals with people who were only mildly symptomatic was a crazy one in fairness. If in normal times we sent every kid with measles into hospital, there would be carnage.

What evidence is there that they had such a strategy?  On the contrary, in the badly affected areas you couldn' get brought to hospital unless things were really bad.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Bring lunches for a few weeks and put them eating at their desks.

Dead on - you try and handle that.

Some of us go for the drink and dislike packed places.

Then get a carryout from the supermarket.

Round here most of the takeaways are operating almost as normal. Seems safe.

Do most takeaways give you your food on their plates and handle the cutlery & crockery?

A ruined economy means more lost lives. Lots more.

This is a problem - no point pretending otherwise.

Do you have any statistics that tie the state of the economy of a first world country with a social welfare system to mortality?

[five points]

What evidence is there that they had such a strategy?  On the contrary, in the badly affected areas you couldn' get brought to hospital unless things were really bad.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/06/hospitalising-coronavirus-patients-can-cause-deaths-italy-data/?fbclid=IwAR3DqaM8ZP3yPSJjJp1CLtBUBQgTSvp5jfliq000Fo8ISz3Vzyqu8KzTEV8

[Milltown Row2]

Bring lunches for a few weeks and put them eating at their desks.

Dead on - you try and handle that.

Some of us go for the drink and dislike packed places.

Then get a carryout from the supermarket.

Round here most of the takeaways are operating almost as normal. Seems safe.

Do most takeaways give you your food on their plates and handle the cutlery & crockery?

A ruined economy means more lost lives. Lots more.

This is a problem - no point pretending otherwise.

Do you have any statistics that tie the state of the economy of a first world country with a social welfare system to mortality?

You'd have to go back to the Great Depression to get figures for that, or Brexit, hows that going at the minute?

I wonder how long it will take 

[five points]

(Bring lunches for a few weeks and put them eating at their desks.)

Dead on - you try and handle that.

Easy enough handled on wet days back in my day.

Then get a carryout from the supermarket.

That won't help any pubs survive though.

(Round here most of the takeaways are operating almost as normal. Seems safe.)

Do most takeaways give you your food on their plates and handle the cutlery & crockery?

A few minutes ago it was food being handled that you were worried about. Pizza is often eaten from the box and fish and chips from the bag.

Do you have any statistics that tie the state of the economy of a first world country with a social welfare system to mortality?

Not offhand but I'm sure there's plenty of it out there.

[nrico2006]

If the airports had been shut down at the start of this mess then life could have been pretty normal for everybody here.  That was the biggest mistake.  The virus more than likely arrived on this island via a plane.  No planes coming in equals no virus.

[Smurfy123]

Im not saying to open pubs now. But soon
Everything was running as normal 5 weeks ago when it was spreading in the north and it has not been to bad let's be real about that
Reopen things now with strict measures in place
Retail shops
Building sites
Offices
Schools (1/2 per week spread out over the week with different classes/years)

Have you been to a shop recently to get groceries? People all over each other. Have you been out for a walk recently? People walking everywhere you look.

All I am saying is things need to start moving again or more lives will be lost from the aftermath than the virus. Mark my words

[gallsman]

Im not saying to open pubs now. But soon
Everything was running as normal 5 weeks ago when it was spreading in the north and it has not been to bad let's be real about that
Reopen things now with strict measures in place
Retail shops
Building sites
Offices
Schools (1/2 per week spread out over the week with different classes/years)

Have you been to a shop recently to get groceries? People all over each other. Have you been out for a walk recently? People walking everywhere you look.

All I am saying is things need to start moving again or more lives will be lost from the aftermath than the virus. Mark my words

"it has not been to bad" because of the lockdown! Without the lockdown the picture would look a hell of a lot worse.

[Smurfy123]

Without the lockdown things would be worse but not a lot.
Don't forget 90% of deaths have underlying problems happening
We won't have a vaccine for 18 months at best so what would you propose we do in those 18/24 months Gallsman?
Get things going again with social media measures to stay in place where possible

[RadioGAAGAA]

You'd have to go back to the Great Depression to get figures for that, or Brexit, hows that going at the minute?

I wonder how long it will take 

Well then you can't state it as a certainty!

Either there is evidence or there isn't.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Without the lockdown things would be worse but not a lot.

Like Italy?

[RadioGAAGAA]

(Bring lunches for a few weeks and put them eating at their desks.)
Dead on - you try and handle that.

Easy enough handled on wet days back in my day.

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Yeah, a class of 30 kids - who cannot be 2m apart given the classroom sizes that are not getting outside to play all day.

Weeks of that on end will work well. 

Then get a carryout from the supermarket.

That won't help any pubs survive though.

Unfortunately that simply isn't a big priority right now.

A few minutes ago it was food being handled that you were worried about. Pizza is often eaten from the box and fish and chips from the bag.

Aye, 'cos cooks frequently stick their hands all over your food - oh no - they use utensils. Of course I meant the whole thing and not literally just sticking their hands in your food.

Boxes and bags are not handled much where the food actually contacts.

Do you have any statistics that tie the state of the economy of a first world country with a social welfare system to mortality?

Not offhand but I'm sure there's plenty of it out there.

We'd* need that in order to know just how big a priority it is to get the economy running again.

*well, not us, but you know what I mean.

[Milltown Row2]

when we get no new cases, will that be deemed as the point where its starting to die off, and are we talking 3 weeks after that when we can see a huge difference?