China Coronavirus

[Rois]

But, given there are many, many, many more private houses than care homes - why do care homes form such a disproportionately large amount of the clusters?

Didn't you answer your own question earlier?  My husband's aunt is in ICU in St Vincent's with the virus, but her daughter and husband haven't been tested yet as they don't have any symptoms.  The three of them may have contracted it, but only one bad enough to be tested, and so no formal "cluster".

Indeed.

They are obviously going to be more susceptible to it - which should mean a larger number of them being bad enough to be tested & diagnosed.

But that doesn't mean the wider population don't have it in equal proportions - just that they are possibly not bad enough to be tested & diagnosed.

[armaghniac]

Correction: Of course you lose the antibodies - do you lose the ability to make the antibodies or does the virus mutate far enough that the antibody template is ineffective?

Apparently, this virus does not mutate in the way flu does.

More coming and going??

Surely surely surely people are not visiting care homes at the moment?!?!

[Staff is a valid point I guess]

People probably were visiting the care homes until a fortnight ago and many of these people have likely been sick since then.
Even the number tested today were probably people who got it 10 days ago and were swabbed on Thursday or Friday. They'd nearly be over it now.

[Franko]

The missus was saying the same earlier about nursing homes. Deaths are explainable due to the nature of the residents but why would the cases be clustered there?

Because the residents are all corralled close together all day?

Not only that, but people are holding on to handrails and the like and the staff have to work very closely with them.

Is that significantly different from a house where everyone is sharing a kitchen (and normally a bathroom too)?

No, which would explain the 24 clusters in private houses.

No. of Private houses  >>>>>  No. of care homes

[MayoBuck]

Has anyone outside Gaaboard proved that once you get this virus you're immune afterwards?

Not yet. Studies on the way. Many other viral infections work out that way but many other viral infections arent this infectious or have this level of mortality. So right now it's not known.

Dr Anthony Fauci (medical expert in America) said he expects people will become immune once they recover from covid-19. However, not enough people will have immunity to prevent a second wave of the outbreak towards the end of this year.

[Rossfan]

The missus was saying the same earlier about nursing homes. Deaths are explainable due to the nature of the residents but why would the cases be clustered there?

Because the residents are all corralled close together all day?

Not only that, but people are holding on to handrails and the like and the staff have to work very closely with them.

Is that significantly different from a house where everyone is sharing a kitchen (and normally a bathroom too)?

No, which would explain the 24 clusters in private houses.

No. of Private houses  >>>>>  No. of care homes

Average age of people in private homes v average age of folks in nursing homes.
If you're in your 80s the oul mileage on the clock will come against you if anything is going round.

[Taylor]

13 & 19 year olds dead from the virus in the UK.
If they had no underlying health issues then that is a game changer (doesn't make it any easier on the families mind).

[armaghniac]

13 & 19 year olds dead from the virus in the UK.
If they had no underlying health issues then that is a game changer (doesn't make it any easier on the families mind).

and a 12-year-old in Belgium.

[Milltown Row2]

Out of 41,000 deaths? I'd have thought there was more

[LeoMc]

Correction: Of course you lose the antibodies - do you lose the ability to make the antibodies or does the virus mutate far enough that the antibody template is ineffective?

Apparently, this virus does not mutate in the way flu does.

More coming and going??

Surely surely surely people are not visiting care homes at the moment?!?!

[Staff is a valid point I guess]

People probably were visiting the care homes until a fortnight ago and many of these people have likely been sick since then.
Even the number tested today were probably people who got it 10 days ago and were swabbed on Thursday or Friday. They'd nearly be over it now.

.....yet!

I don't think I have read that anywhere. If this is the case it would make it easier to develop a vaccine which could potentially be bundled in with the flu jab each year to protect the vulnerable while the test of us rise it out.

[seafoid]

13 & 19 year olds dead from the virus in the UK.
If they had no underlying health issues then that is a game changer (doesn't make it any easier on the families mind).

Only if it materially changes the stats

[Taylor]

13 & 19 year olds dead from the virus in the UK.
If they had no underlying health issues then that is a game changer (doesn't make it any easier on the families mind).

Only if it materially changes the stats

If more kids die the panic will set in among parents and to be fair that hasn't been a concern on the island.

Kids could carry it but it didn't have much of an impact with regards to causing death

[armaghniac]

.....yet!

I don't think I have read that anywhere. If this is the case it would make it easier to develop a vaccine which could potentially be bundled in with the flu jab each year to protect the vulnerable while the test of us rise it out.

Apparently, it is a bi like SARS and mutates at about half the rate of flu. Given that there is a useful, if not perfect, vaccination for flu then you could add Covid19 to the jab.



this figure originated here, but the rest of the paper is a bit specialist.

[Franko]

The missus was saying the same earlier about nursing homes. Deaths are explainable due to the nature of the residents but why would the cases be clustered there?

Because the residents are all corralled close together all day?

Not only that, but people are holding on to handrails and the like and the staff have to work very closely with them.

Is that significantly different from a house where everyone is sharing a kitchen (and normally a bathroom too)?

No, which would explain the 24 clusters in private houses.

No. of Private houses  >>>>>  No. of care homes

Average age of people in private homes v average age of folks in nursing homes.
If you're in your 80s the oul mileage on the clock will come against you if anything is going round.

It's clusters. Not individual cases.

No. of private homes with old people in them >>>> No. of care homes

[MayoBuck]

Apparently a load of college students who lost weekend jobs got the €350 today. Despite their average weekly incomes being well under €200! Obviously the whole thing was rushed through but there's going to be a huge bill for the taxpayer to repay in coming years. 

[Chief]

Apparently a load of college students who lost weekend jobs got the €350 today. Despite their average weekly incomes being well under €200! Obviously the whole thing was rushed through but there's going to be a huge bill for the taxpayer to repay in coming years. 

Yeah probably, but who cares right now.

Focus on keeping the show on the road at any financial cost right now, and we can figure out repayments later down the line.