China Coronavirus

[BennyCake]

How will it work with illegal immigrants? Particularly in the US?

Is part of the US governments plan to flush out the illegals with this virus? I mean, if they're illegal, they obviously won't have medical insurance.

[ardtole]

A primary school in east down has found out tonight that some pupils have got the convid 19 virus. This is going to blow up in Arlenes face very soon. It's a fenian school so maybe she wont be overly worried.

[Tony Baloney]

ROI going into complete shutdown mode on Tuesday my contacts are saying. This is escalating quickly. Meanwhile Boris the bulllshitter continues to fiddle!

I wonder if the usual identity politics are going to come into play in the north. Are the unionists going to avoid doing what the ROI is doing and toe the UK party line in order to prove their Britishness? So far it looks like they will.  If so it could mean the fenians will stay at home, the prods will go out on the beer, and by the time this is all over we'll have our nationalist voting majority in the north sooner than we were expecting.

There is a big big push for school closures here but when they're closed they are staying closed until September I'd reckon. Even teachers I know, who are a lazy shower, don't want to close just yet when they still have content to deliver for critical exams (which may or may not happen). All special needs schools closing in Belfast and no doubt all others to follow suit.

[93-DY-SAM]

Scary figures alright. Searchin online for some reason behind it eg large % of smokers, elderly population, elderly living with their adult children and so on. Anyone any positive spin on this from an Ireland perspective...

There is an infographic in one of today's papers with a breakdown of the underlying conditions. As known/expected; cardiovascular disease, hypertension and respiratory disease accounted for a lot of the deaths, but a significant percentage had diabetes. I haven't seen the latest age breakdown in Italy as it's moving so fast but a few days ago when the total was 803 only 2 of those were under the age of 50.

The two under 50, had they underlying conditions?

From various reports I've read from Italy the most shocking thing for me has been that it is not all older people and people with underlying medical issues. There is a significant amount of younger people in ICU units. Don't be under the illusion this is solely limited to older people and those with pre-existing conditions. While they are the most at risk they are definitely not the only ones at risk.

Let's see some of these reports.

Sorry I didn't keep a detailed log of my reading over this past while just for you. Why didn't you ask me sooner. Go and do a bit of reading up yourself or do you need to be spoon fed everything.

[trileacman]

https://www.france24.com/en/20200313-italy-s-coronavirus-death-toll-surges-as-lombardy-region-seeks-tougher-curbs

Watch that video to see the pressure the Italian health service is under. It's telling that they're keeping a child that young on a camp bed.

Whilst a lot of the elderly and people with underlying conditions are dying in Italian hospitals there's is undoubtedly a "sophies choice" going on.

[JoG2]

Scary figures alright. Searchin online for some reason behind it eg large % of smokers, elderly population, elderly living with their adult children and so on. Anyone any positive spin on this from an Ireland perspective...

There is an infographic in one of today's papers with a breakdown of the underlying conditions. As known/expected; cardiovascular disease, hypertension and respiratory disease accounted for a lot of the deaths, but a significant percentage had diabetes. I haven't seen the latest age breakdown in Italy as it's moving so fast but a few days ago when the total was 803 only 2 of those were under the age of 50.

The two under 50, had they underlying conditions?

From various reports I've read from Italy the most shocking thing for me has been that it is not all older people and people with underlying medical issues. There is a significant amount of younger people in ICU units. Don't be under the illusion this is solely limited to older people and those with pre-existing conditions. While they are the most at risk they are definitely not the only ones at risk.

Let's see some of these reports.

Sorry I didn't keep a detailed log of my reading over this past while just for you. Why didn't you ask me sooner. Go and do a bit of reading up yourself or do you need to be spoon fed everything.

Surely you can substantiate your claim (significant numbers of young folk in ICUs in Italy) with a couple of links? It's a fair request all things considered, no?

[larryin89]

Heading for lockdown according to texts from cumman

[Itchy]

Heading for lockdown according to texts from cumman

I've heard that rumour too but what exactly does it mean and why Tuesday and not today?

ROI is really struggling already. 4 people from my work reported with coughs, fevers on Saturday. All called out of hours doc, were promised call backs but received none. None have gotten tested. At same time a number of rumours from doctors locally that there have been 3/4 confirmed cases.  I live in a rural part of the west. I have to say I wasn't expecting it on my doorstep this fast.

[LeoMc]

The Dutch have discovered an antibody that works apparently but it has to be properly tested and mass produced which will take the guts of a year, byt which time this pandemic will have run its course. Herd immunity will happen by that stage, that where 80% of the population will have got the virus and there bodies will have dealt with it and given them immunity from future infection. However that means there will be a lot more deaths to come Im afraid.

Sound. You might just tells what evidence there is to support this herd immunity theory and any real world examples where it worked before.

Does it not work for measles, mumps, Etc, as well as small pox in the past?
Herd immunity does not mean no one gets it, just that enough people are immune to stop it spreading rapidly.

Herd immunity is a thing in that it exists once 80-90% of the population have immunity and therefore there are less people through which the disease can be transmitted. The ones you mention though are artificially created by the use of vaccines. I'm not aware of any instances where this has naturally occurred without the intervention of vaccines; open to correction on that though

Good point. I was not differentiating between natural and induced. As there is no vaccine I should have been excluding induced immunity.

Is there such thing as natural herd immunity? Say smallpox, it was around for years but no herd immunity developed

I think there is some evidence showing drops in measles and small pox infection rates after big outbreaks but even then we would get nowhere near the critical mass of infections to isolate the remaining carriers.

[Itchy]

https://medium.com/@fergal.reid/predicting-the-impact-of-coronovirus-on-ireland-bff1b6d00d6a

Very worrying

[Tony Baloney]

Unsurprisingly the Brits seem to be making a balls of their implementation. That blonde cnut has done a runner as usual. They should have daily updates but info is only being drip fed via leaks or paywalled on the Telegraph.

[Saffrongael]

A primary school in east down has found out tonight that some pupils have got the convid 19 virus. This is going to blow up in Arlenes face very soon. It's a fenian school so maybe she wont be overly worried.

If parents didn't agree with the decision to keep schools open you just don't send your kids in, as many have said they are doing, or am I missing something ?

[armaghniac]

https://medium.com/@fergal.reid/predicting-the-impact-of-coronovirus-on-ireland-bff1b6d00d6a

Very worrying

Very clear article, and worrying as you say.
We need to understand what Singapore did right and try and get there, which probably means isolating arrivals if we bring things under control.
The irresponsibe approach from Stormont is very concerning.

[MayoBuck]

Is there any truth in those WhatsApp messages of a full shut down from Tuesday? Has anyone heard it from a more reliable source?

It's scary how there's been no let up in Italy yet. They do have a much older population than us (about 25% over 65) so we should be able manage the mortality rate better. Unless the HSE gets completely overwhelmed.

[93-DY-SAM]

Scary figures alright. Searchin online for some reason behind it eg large % of smokers, elderly population, elderly living with their adult children and so on. Anyone any positive spin on this from an Ireland perspective...

There is an infographic in one of today's papers with a breakdown of the underlying conditions. As known/expected; cardiovascular disease, hypertension and respiratory disease accounted for a lot of the deaths, but a significant percentage had diabetes. I haven't seen the latest age breakdown in Italy as it's moving so fast but a few days ago when the total was 803 only 2 of those were under the age of 50.

The two under 50, had they underlying conditions?

From various reports I've read from Italy the most shocking thing for me has been that it is not all older people and people with underlying medical issues. There is a significant amount of younger people in ICU units. Don't be under the illusion this is solely limited to older people and those with pre-existing conditions. While they are the most at risk they are definitely not the only ones at risk.

Let's see some of these reports.

Sorry I didn't keep a detailed log of my reading over this past while just for you. Why didn't you ask me sooner. Go and do a bit of reading up yourself or do you need to be spoon fed everything.

Surely you can substantiate your claim (significant numbers of young folk in ICUs in Italy) with a couple of links? It's a fair request all things considered, no?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-update-young-people-hospital-luca-lorini-bergamo-a9402531.html

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/

https://twitter.com/ohanloncmr/status/1238926074463035392