Money, Dublin and the GAA

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Dinny Breen

Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
#newbridgeornowhere

Hound

Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
Fair comment Dinny
My honest belief is your mistaken re the GDOs having anything to do with the depth of the panel. But of course impossible to prove either way.
My view is that once players are out of minor they're straight into serious football at Div 1 and 2, every team going 3 or 4 sessions/matches per week. And we're losing less players to soccer and other sports than ever before, where other counties are possibly losing more. And our club structures is a huge part of that, a calendar laid out in January and stuck to, and high quality games guaranteed.


Dinny Breen

Quote from: Hound on June 16, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
Fair comment Dinny
My honest belief is your mistaken re the GDOs having anything to do with the depth of the panel. But of course impossible to prove either way.
My view is that once players are out of minor they're straight into serious football at Div 1 and 2, every team going 3 or 4 sessions/matches per week. And we're losing less players to soccer and other sports than ever before, where other counties are possibly losing more. And our club structures is a huge part of that, a calendar laid out in January and stuck to, and high quality games guaranteed.

I haven't changed my mind, Dublin have 3 massive organic things in their favour - population, culture/tradition and club scene. Those 3 will always ensure Dublin being competitive on their own. However leaving aside the grants, Dublin's ability to attract sponsors ensures that their teams are the best prepared in the country. I have proposed and still propose that spending be capped and any overspend his hit with a wealth tax.


#newbridgeornowhere

naka

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/
mainstream reporting of teh monies coming into Dublin isdefinitely going to start putting pressure on Central Council to realise that the dublin monopoly on funding is killing football.

Hound

Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2019, 09:54:53 AM

I haven't changed my mind, Dublin have 3 massive organic things in their favour - population, culture/tradition and club scene. Those 3 will always ensure Dublin being competitive on their own. However leaving aside the grants, Dublin's ability to attract sponsors ensures that their teams are the best prepared in the country. I have proposed and still propose that spending be capped and any overspend his hit with a wealth tax.

Agreed.
In an ideal world the only difference on spend on intercounty teams would be dependant on how long the team remained in the championship. I think it would need GAA to take over the running of all marketing, sponsorship, donations, overseas trips, etc. and to review (or control) all spend on panels in each county. A big ask, but definitely doable with the right people.

From the Bunker

Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.

TheGreatest

Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2019, 02:26:40 PM
Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.

Sure there is nothing to defend.

As highlighted above, The one i would like to see in caps on expenditure of inter county teams or all teams recieve the same allocated amount from Croke Park per month, year, competition etc.



priceyreilly

Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

kerryforsam19

Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

priceyreilly

Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

Not him. He robbed all my material though and is making a living off it.

kerryforsam19

Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

Not him. He robbed all my material though and is making a living off it.

What about "Dont Matter " contribution?? ;) ;)

rrhf

Quote from: naka on June 17, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/
mainstream reporting of teh monies coming into Dublin isdefinitely going to start putting pressure on Central Council to realise that the dublin monopoly on funding is killing football.
The rich get richer and we are all the poorer for it. The Gaa should have a socialistic societal outlook but instead is dominated by capitalism

Dinny Breen

   https://www.rte.ie/amp/1056894/?__twitter_impression=true 


Feckin delusional. The GAA in Leinster is dead with this level of spin been thrown about.
#newbridgeornowhere

Rossfan

More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM