Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate

[tonto1888]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

[trueblue1234]

I know 4 transgender teenagers and I regret to say in all 4 cases it's flat out attention seeking

Aye, dead on!!

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/07/about-5-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-say-their-gender-is-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/

It's alot more popular in America than people in Europe realise. And its growing rapidly.

Again I'll go back to a post I put up earlier, no one chooses to be different and then take all the flack that comes with it, yes it's easier to deal with nowadays that 20 years ago, but if you think this is a trend like the New romantics or Punk then I don't know what to say!

There are better ways to get attention with less comebacks

Take all the flack?   Are you on drugs?

No one can look at you sideways if you identify as non binary or transgender?

They have an "affinity" club up at the high school with safe spaces and funding for all types of programs and participating in conferences....etc

And yet they receive multiple times more cases of abuse. Maybe that is why safe spaces are needed?

Last year, there was a scuffle outside a high school basketball game and a trans student was verbally and physically assaulted  (pushed/shoved but did not sustain any injuries)

The teenagers involved were charged with hate crimes and hypothetically could have gotten 10 years in jail. Anyone who'd harass of assault a trans or non binary person is in for a world of hurt....and rightly so

Again, punishments may be required to deal with the much higher numbers of abuse these people suffer. That could be why safe spaces are required. What's the issue with a safe space anyway? Seriously?

Who said I have an issue with it?

I think it's great

Someone made a comment about trans/non binary people "getting flak"-part of my response was that they have all types of protections including safe spaces (that other bullied people don't have)

My point is that those safe spaces are obviously needed due to the level of abuse. It kind of shows how it's not an easy decision to make and I doubt many do it out of attention seeking.

I personally know 4 teenagers who are identifying as a gender other than the one they were born with  and my opinion, knowing their parents and their family dynamics, is that this is flat out attention seeking

This  opinion is shared by several other parents who know these kids-and these parents are pretty much all Democrats and liberal even by Massachusetts standards

These kids who are transitioning are taking very little if any flak, because they are now a super protected class. Try and bully a transgender teen and you'll end up with civil rights charges

But that's just your opinion. And I'll be honest, I struggle to believe it. I think the fact that you know 4 transgender teenagers, and believe all 4 are doing it for attention says more about your outlook than theirs to be honest.

It's gone completely insane here in Massachusetts

I personally know 4 as they were in my sons class-3 are boys who identify as girls and one is a girl identifying as a boy

I forgot about another one- girl who came out as bisexual-her significant other is a guy who identifies as a woman and a lesbian woman at that. So she's in a lesbian relationship with a biological guy

I know of about 6 others who are either trans or non binary-they are on the local paper every week

You're clearly trying to paint a picture that people go through the process of transitioning for attention. I call that complete bollix tbh. I think this is an opinion you've formed that's more to do with your outlook than theirs.

Just to be clear, for now they are just identifying as the opposite gender-they dress as the opposite sex, changed their names and pronouns etc

No one had had surgery (yet)

But still leaving themselves open for higher levels of abuse. Maybe they should hid it, just to save from being called an attention seeker!!

Who's calling them attention seekers ? (to their faces)

That's just my opinion (one shared by plenty of others too)

What would I have to gain by bullying or confronting a transgender teen?

I'm talking about your opinion ffs.

[seafoid]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

[tonto1888]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Again, how will it affect your life?

[thebigfella]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Zero sum game..... one more for seafoid bullshit bingo

[seafoid]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Zero sum game..... one more for seafoid bullshit bingo

Do you even know what a zero sum game is bigfella ?

[seafoid]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Again, how will it affect your life?

How will it affect your life is a version of you cannot talk about football unless you play football.

I am interested in social issues and I read about stuff. The trans project is reactionary and misogynistic.  The idea that any man can self ID as a woman is insane. It has something to do with our individualistic society. I feel sorry for teenagers undergoing trans surgery. Life is very long and social priorities shift.

Where did all the money behind this project come from ?

Labour are going to lose a lot of votes in the next election because of this issue. Women are really pissed off.

https://youtu.be/94HFMSm-JBo&t=5220

https://youtu.be/94HFMSm-JBo&t=5441s



If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.

[CK_Redhand]

BTW 2 polarised groups on the board discussing a topic is the definition of a culture war.

Can't wait till the Tyrone Armagh match. Mighty culture war that'll be.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Where did all the money behind this project come from ?

Bill Gates, George Soros and the WEF

[tonto1888]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Again, how will it affect your life?

How will it affect your life is a version of you cannot talk about football unless you play football.

I am interested in social issues and I read about stuff. The trans project is reactionary and misogynistic.  The idea that any man can self ID as a woman is insane. It has something to do with our individualistic society. I feel sorry for teenagers undergoing trans surgery. Life is very long and social priorities shift.

Where did all the money behind this project come from ?

Labour are going to lose a lot of votes in the next election because of this issue. Women are really pissed off.

https://youtu.be/94HFMSm-JBo&t=5220

https://youtu.be/94HFMSm-JBo&t=5441s



If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.

You've lost it

[Milltown Row2]

The Irish Labour Party or the uk Labour Party?

So how does that part of your post seafoid even concern you?

[jmcgdoire]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Again, how will it affect your life?

What a saddening approach to such a serious issue.
Do you take the same approach with Gay Rights and Women's Rights in the Middle East? Won't affect your life so you just don't bother to think about it?
Ridiculous.

[tonto1888]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Again, how will it affect your life?

What a saddening approach to such a serious issue.
Do you take the same approach with Gay Rights and Women's Rights in the Middle East? Won't affect your life so you just don't bother to think about it?
Ridiculous.

You clearly haven't been following along have you. Seafoid, for some reason, has a serious dislike of trans people. They may even be considered transphobic. I asked them why they invest so much time in something the clearly dislike when it won't make a difference in their lives.
I consider myself an LGBT ally. FWIW

[thebigfella]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Zero sum game..... one more for seafoid bullshit bingo

Do you even know what a zero sum game is bigfella ?

No, can you enlighten me without using "culture war" or "neoliberalism' 

[seafoid]

Nobody has to transition to be trans. 90% don't. So any man can announce that he is a woman and have access to the henhouse
or compete in female sports.
Any woman can claim to be a man and ask gay men for a shag. There is no quality control.
Any man in prison can claim to be a woman in order to move to the female space.

Do you genuinely have nothing better to do than spout about what people, who will have absolutely no impact on your life, do with their lives?

I have a wife and I have a daughter . How many trans in your family ?
Anyway this bullshit will die with neoliberalism. It's nothing more than a culture war.

A wife and a daughter? What's your point? Unless you are saying they are trans?

The point is that trans rights such as self ID and female rights such as safe spaces have become a zero sum game.
Someone decided this.

Zero sum game..... one more for seafoid bullshit bingo

Do you even know what a zero sum game is bigfella ?

No, can you enlighten me without using "culture war" or "neoliberalism' 

it means that one side can only win if the other side loses.

The opposite would be a situation where both sides can win.