Sam Maguire permutations

[blanketattack]

I should think the final games in each Group will have to start at the same time.

Going by Super 8s, yes.
Although different groups can be on different days so some teams may wish to finish 3rd rather than 2nd when they see the final positions in other groups.

to do it fair, all finalgames should really be played at the same time although not sure if that is logistically possible

I think 2 double headers in Croke Park and then 4 other games at various locations picked based on size and proximity.
E.g.
Round 3 (Neutral venues)

June 17 - 18

Group 1
Kerry v Louth (Croke Park)
Mayo v Cork  (Limerick)

Group 2
Galway v Ulster runner-up (Armagh/Derry)  (Breffni Park)
Tyrone v Westmeath  (Croke Park)

Group 3
Dublin v Sligo (Clones)
Roscommon v Kildare (Croke Park)

Group 4
Ulster winner (Armagh/Derry) v Clare (Pearse Stadium)
Monaghan v Donegal (Breffni Park)

Full fixture details will be confirmed by the CCCC on Friday, May 5th.

[rosnarun]

i would be feRFUL MAYO CORK would be in ennis rather than limerick. going on history . no good seats in ennis even if you were in first and a dump of a town

[Captain Obvious]

I should think the final games in each Group will have to start at the same time.

Going by Super 8s, yes.
Although different groups can be on different days so some teams may wish to finish 3rd rather than 2nd when they see the final positions in other groups.

to do it fair, all finalgames should really be played at the same time although not sure if that is logistically possible

I think 2 double headers in Croke Park and then 4 other games at various locations picked based on size and proximity.
E.g.
Round 3 (Neutral venues)

June 17 - 18

Group 1
Kerry v Louth (Croke Park)
Mayo v Cork  (Limerick)

Group 2
Galway v Ulster runner-up (Armagh/Derry)  (Breffni Park)
Tyrone v Westmeath  (Croke Park)

Group 3
Dublin v Sligo (Clones)
Roscommon v Kildare (Croke Park)

Group 4
Ulster winner (Armagh/Derry) v Clare (Pearse Stadium)
Monaghan v Donegal (Breffni Park)

Full fixture details will be confirmed by the CCCC on Friday, May 5th.

Provincial grounds should be used for round 3 neutral venues and then leave Croke Park double headers for the following week with the All-Ireland Quarter finals.

[Eire90]

provincial champions should probably get two games at home instead of a neutral round.

[Armagh18]

provincial champions should probably get two games at home instead of a neutral round.

well one of them will lol

[Rossfan]

Group games in Croker would hardly fill the lower Hogan.
At least give Provincial Grounds and Towns a bit of a boost or sense of occasion.
Kerry v Louth Portlaoise
Mayo v Cork Limerick
Galway v Armagh  Breffni or Hyde
Tyrone v Westmeath Enniskillen or Markievicz.
Dublin v Sligo Breffni
Ros v Kildare Tullamore
Derry v Clare Markievicz
Monaghan  v Donegal Omagh.

I think the Tailteann Qtr Finals are that weekend which might  complicate things.

[Main Street]

I think the new championship format looks promising .
My only (repeatedly mentioned)  gripe so far  is that the provincial runners up are 2nd seeds in the group stages.
I'd opine that the provincial winners be  first seeds  and the rest of the qualified teams be seeded according to their league placement. Keep it simple.

As regards Monaghan , I'm content enough to get Clare at home and Donegal neutral. I don't think we were going to beat Derry at any venue so it's bonus away fixture, we have nothing to lose  there (except the game) with some hope for a better performance, and should it be Armagh, revenge is a dish best served ice cold.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

I think the new championship format looks promising .
My only (repeatedly mentioned)  gripe so far  is that the provincial runners up are 2nd seeds in the group stages.
I'd opine that the provincial winners be  first seeds  and the rest of the qualified teams be seeded according to their league placement. Keep it simple.

...

Would agree with that.

[LeoMc]

Group games in Croker would hardly fill the lower Hogan.
At least give Provincial Grounds and Towns a bit of a boost or sense of occasion.
Kerry v Louth Portlaoise
Mayo v Cork Limerick
Galway v Armagh  Breffni or Hyde
Tyrone v Westmeath Enniskillen or Markievicz.
Dublin v Sligo Breffni
Ros v Kildare Tullamore
Derry v Clare Markievicz
Monaghan  v Donegal Omagh.

I think the Tailteann Qtr Finals are that weekend which might  complicate things.

Double up with Tailteann games. That way all Tailtean games can throw in at 1:45 and Sam games at 4:00 and hope no Tailteann game goes to penalties.

[Armagh18]

Group games in Croker would hardly fill the lower Hogan.
At least give Provincial Grounds and Towns a bit of a boost or sense of occasion.
Kerry v Louth Portlaoise
Mayo v Cork Limerick
Galway v Armagh  Breffni or Hyde
Tyrone v Westmeath Enniskillen or Markievicz.
Dublin v Sligo Breffni
Ros v Kildare Tullamore
Derry v Clare Markievicz
Monaghan  v Donegal Omagh.

I think the Tailteann Qtr Finals are that weekend which might  complicate things.

Double up with Tailteann games. That way all Tailtean games can throw in at 1:45 and Sam games at 4:00 and hope no Tailteann game goes to penalties.

If the ticket scramble for the Ulster final is anything to go by, not a chance we could be part of a double header outside croker. Most clubs have 3 or 4 times over their allocation on looking tickets.

[Rossfan]

Difference between a Provincial Final ( 1st in ?? years) and a Group game to sort out final places where both teams are already through.

[yellowcard]

I think the new championship format looks promising .
My only (repeatedly mentioned)  gripe so far  is that the provincial runners up are 2nd seeds in the group stages.
I'd opine that the provincial winners be  first seeds  and the rest of the qualified teams be seeded according to their league placement. Keep it simple.

...

Would agree with that.

Yes, it seems a bit ridiculous that Sligo can be a second seed for winning 2 games against Leitrim and New York.

Apart from that it seems like a decent set up although playing 24 games to get from 16 teams down to 12 takes a lot of the hazard out of the group games. It will benefit teams with larger stronger squads though it feels like the championship won't kick off properly until the last 12 knockout games. 

[Armagh18]

Difference between a Provincial Final ( 1st in ?? years) and a Group game to sort out final places where both teams are already through.

15. 
Yeah different level of importance obviously.

Depends how results are going for us but if we were to go on a run we'd probably keep most of the bandwagoners to be honest and there's always a sizeable core support.

[Rossfan]

With the 4 Provincial Finals still to be decided I suspect we'll see a lot of "If X vs Y at .. ..."

[Armagh18]

With the 4 Provincial Finals still to be decided I suspect we'll see a lot of "If X vs Y at .. ..."

Connacht and Munster are probably 99% certain, Leinster maybe 80/20 at a push. Ulster is probably anywhere between 50/50 and 60/40 Derry.