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Folks, anyone any suggestions to where to head for the day to avoid all the 12th stuff?  Was thinking Omeath or somewhere.  Would be coming from Lisburn so looking somewhere which would take in most of the day.

The Battle of the Boyne site - there won't be an Orangeman near it today

Neither was Red Donnelly

As a Tyrone man living in Newbridge all the pubs are pretty good but Con Cummins would be my favourite. If anybody fancies singing then Con will hand the guitar out over the bar.

Was at the match yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. Kildare scored a point directly from a mark in the first half. A quick check on google states that this was illegal. Has their been a change in the law regarding this.

A player can score from a a mark.

I misread it  - the player who makes the mark can score but if another player takes the kick then they cannot score from it

Was at the match yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. Kildare scored a point directly from a mark in the first half. A quick check on google states that this was illegal. Has their been a change in the law regarding this.

I remember looking at the panels for the 2005 All Ireland and 80% of Tyrone's panel was from the senior clubs while 55% of Kerry's panel was from senior clubs. I've always thought that Kerry's senior championship structure was the best way to discover the best players in the county.

Well. I got the whole thing wrong. I thought that kildare could beat Mayo but I didn't think they could do it in Newbridge. It was a cracking atmosphere and kildare didn't hide when the pressure came on. My lads were absolutely buzzing after the match. I've been dragging them to league matches and there was always little enthusiasm from them but I think they've now caught the same bug I caught from going to matches with my dad

Who are these "genuine GAA people"?
Will we only let fully paid up members into games any more?

People who give a sh*t about the wider implications of the decisions made by HQ and how they affect all of us.

You can be a "Genuine" GAA person and disagree about how Kildare handled this. What Croke Park did was not without precedent since they already moved Wicklow's home game this year. I would have thought that moving the game to a venue which could cater for the expected attendance made perfect sense - be it Portlaoise or Croke park. Kildare stood up to "Big Bad Croke Park" - no - they held Croke Park to ransom by threatening to not field. Maybe Kildare will now refuse access to SKY cameras because that's what the "genuine" GAA person wants.

You're coming at this from a selfish pov (which is 100% your right)...you thought yourself and some family would miss out, so CP would have suited better, hence your standing. Kildare did the right thing here, the vast vast majority of people involved in the GAA through club / County activities were behind them.
Kildare have held no one to ransom. They followed the rules, then correct procedure in informing CP 48 hrs prior to throwin that would not be fulfilling the fixture in CP.. These are the rules penned by CP, not Kildare. Kildare

Funny you mention Sky too. Again, those who already had a Sky subscription were happy the GAA sold its soul to Murdoch, as they were OK and jack those who don't have Sky. At this stage, the way Kildare united to face down this decision, the wider GAA community should have done the same with Sky (I know some CBs did follow correct procedure, but not enough, should have been a United front). The disconnect between the offices at CP and grass routes is huge and needs tightened a bit. Has the director general uttered a word about the Newbridge fiasco?? Head in the sand stuff

Fair enough - in reflection you're probably right about where my motivation was coming from. It'll be interesting to see if any new by-laws come in stating that the CCCC will make the final decisions on inter-county fixtures and whether any of the counties kick up a fuss about it.

Who are these "genuine GAA people"?
Will we only let fully paid up members into games any more?

People who give a sh*t about the wider implications of the decisions made by HQ and how they affect all of us.

You can be a "Genuine" GAA person and disagree about how Kildare handled this. What Croke Park did was not without precedent since they already moved Wicklow's home game this year. I would have thought that moving the game to a venue which could cater for the expected attendance made perfect sense - be it Portlaoise or Croke park. Kildare stood up to "Big Bad Croke Park" - no - they held Croke Park to ransom by threatening to not field. Maybe Kildare will now refuse access to SKY cameras because that's what the "genuine" GAA person wants.

It's not all about you.

Christ Jinxy - I thought you were better than that

Who are these "genuine GAA people"?
Will we only let fully paid up members into games any more?

People who give a sh*t about the wider implications of the decisions made by HQ and how they affect all of us.

You can be a "Genuine" GAA person and disagree about how Kildare handled this. What Croke Park did was not without precedent since they already moved Wicklow's home game this year. I would have thought that moving the game to a venue which could cater for the expected attendance made perfect sense - be it Portlaoise or Croke park. Kildare stood up to "Big Bad Croke Park" - no - they held Croke Park to ransom by threatening to not field. Maybe Kildare will now refuse access to SKY cameras because that's what the "genuine" GAA person wants.

Well not a total disaster. Some tickets went online and I was able to get 4. They're now sold out

[i live in Newbridge]

If you take the emotion out of it, hard to do I accept, the GAA decided Newbridge could not host the game on health and safety grounds, with an all ticket capacity of C.8,000. Mayo take somewhere in the region of 10,000 fans with them which means that 60% of their fans can't be accommodated.The potential for a sizeable number to turn up with out tickets is there. Kildare were asked to nominate an alternative venue, as Cavan did with Brewster Park but like the spoilt brat refused to do so. Irrespective of TV rights county teams would be nowhere without the fans and the GAA is right to try and ensure as many as possible see the game. If Kildare had drawn Clare there wouldn't have been an issue but Mayo travel in numbers. at this stage of the qualifiers I don't think the luck of the draw should determine where a game is played, in my opinion. Any GAA player should feel privileged to get to play in Croke Park and as top billing as well in front of Tyrone/Cavan!

No . . . that is all bullshit!

This sentiment of "ah sure the lads love a day out in Croke Park" is bullshit. Kildare have played in Croke Park plenty of times. Research has shown that playing a match at home is worth a 4 point advantage to the home team. #

With the professionalism going on in todays game why would you be looking for the extra 5% from your diet/S&C/tactics etc. only to throw away a genuine advantage to your team when presented just because you get a day out in Croke Park?

Kildare have to hold firm and the GAA need to come up with solution. There is no god given right that Mayo fans are allowed tickets to the game if the capacity doesn't allow it!

Nice argument...bullshit! Of course fans are important and not just Mayo fans, all fans and they spend money travelling, on season tickets, Supporters Clubs etc and deserve the chance to be there. The GAA is bigger than county players on that I'm sure we can all agree.

If fans are so important then are Kildare fans not entitled to go to a game in our own county? I've travelled to grounds outside our own county for our last three games. I travelled to Mayo for a third round qualifier two years ago for a 7 o'clock throw in when Mayo were drawn at home. It was outlined before the draw that the first county drawn out were entitled to a home game unless the fixture was Div 1/Div 2 vs Div 3/Div 4. That's not the case here.

Kildare were drawn out first.
The ground can comfortably cater for the numbers of those entitled to a ticket (as it did in the league when the same number of season ticket holders existed).
This game should be in Newbridge.
The GAA thought Kildare would just piss and moan about going to Croke Park but ultimately relent. They were wrong and now they're up shit creek without a paddle.

Well - i live in Newbridge and was going to bring 5 kids to see Kildare play - I might as well go and reserve a table in Con Cummins and watch it there with the kids

Am sure you have had plenty and will have plenty of opportunities to watch them in the future in that case.

Not everyone will get a ticket to every game. Thats the way of the world and not just the GAA

Totally Agree. Wouldn't bring a home Premiership match for Arsenal Vs Man United from The Emirates Stadium to Wembley just so a few more thousand people could go.

Brilliant by Kildare, and the sensible decision by the GAA (even though they had no other choice)

The comparison should be between Wimbledon FCs old ground and Wembley


Interesting to see how the ticket allocation goes - Will Mayo's season tickets allocation be fully filled or will it be 3000 on a first come first served basis. Also wait for the reports of those who went to Derry and Longford and who cannot now get tickets but that will be alright since Kildare will  be playing a match at home where their fans will be in the minority.

If you take the emotion out of it, hard to do I accept, the GAA decided Newbridge could not host the game on health and safety grounds, with an all ticket capacity of C.8,000. Mayo take somewhere in the region of 10,000 fans with them which means that 60% of their fans can't be accommodated.The potential for a sizeable number to turn up with out tickets is there. Kildare were asked to nominate an alternative venue, as Cavan did with Brewster Park but like the spoilt brat refused to do so. Irrespective of TV rights county teams would be nowhere without the fans and the GAA is right to try and ensure as many as possible see the game. If Kildare had drawn Clare there wouldn't have been an issue but Mayo travel in numbers. at this stage of the qualifiers I don't think the luck of the draw should determine where a game is played, in my opinion. Any GAA player should feel privileged to get to play in Croke Park and as top billing as well in front of Tyrone/Cavan!

No . . . that is all bullshit!

This sentiment of "ah sure the lads love a day out in Croke Park" is bullshit. Kildare have played in Croke Park plenty of times. Research has shown that playing a match at home is worth a 4 point advantage to the home team. #

With the professionalism going on in todays game why would you be looking for the extra 5% from your diet/S&C/tactics etc. only to throw away a genuine advantage to your team when presented just because you get a day out in Croke Park?

Kildare have to hold firm and the GAA need to come up with solution. There is no god given right that Mayo fans are allowed tickets to the game if the capacity doesn't allow it!

Nice argument...bullshit! Of course fans are important and not just Mayo fans, all fans and they spend money travelling, on season tickets, Supporters Clubs etc and deserve the chance to be there. The GAA is bigger than county players on that I'm sure we can all agree.

If fans are so important then are Kildare fans not entitled to go to a game in our own county? I've travelled to grounds outside our own county for our last three games. I travelled to Mayo for a third round qualifier two years ago for a 7 o'clock throw in when Mayo were drawn at home. It was outlined before the draw that the first county drawn out were entitled to a home game unless the fixture was Div 1/Div 2 vs Div 3/Div 4. That's not the case here.

Kildare were drawn out first.
The ground can comfortably cater for the numbers of those entitled to a ticket (as it did in the league when the same number of season ticket holders existed).
This game should be in Newbridge.
The GAA thought Kildare would just piss and moan about going to Croke Park but ultimately relent. They were wrong and now they're up shit creek without a paddle.

Well - i live in Newbridge and was going to bring 5 kids to see Kildare play - I might as well go and reserve a table in Con Cummins and watch it there with the kids

[2. I was at the Kildare Mayo league match and it was pretty full. If Mayo use their full complement of season tickets then there is no point even looking for a ticket because they'll be like Hen's teeth]

I just don't understand why the management team want to play the game in Newbridge
1. They haven't won there for a year
2. I was at the Kildare Mayo league match and it was pretty full. If Mayo use their full complement of season tickets then there is no point even looking for a ticket because they'll be like Hen's teeth
3. Kildare's only chance of winning this game is by running the legs off an ageing Mayo team but instead they want to play it in a smaller pitch than Croke. I would have said Yes to croke park but we want to play the game at 3 in the heat of the day. An evening match will suit Mayo even more.

In fairness this is a very good point. Mayo have a superb travelling support. If capacity is 5k I would expect contractually the GAA will have to honour around 3.5k of seats for Mayo. 5k Tickets now left. I am sure Kildare probably have 2-3k season tickets too.

So on general release you are down to only 2-3k available. After all this messing demand will probably be around 15k. Is your average Kildare fan going to be happy they dont have a chance to even see the game? Is it even possible at this stage to arrange an all ticket match?

I've already booked tickets at Croke for my 3 sons and 2 nephews - no point even looking for 6 tickets if the game is in Newbridge. My nephews are not brought to games by their parents so this was a good opportunity for them to get to a big match with their county involved. You have no hope in getting them interested if you can't get kids in to watch their county.

I just don't understand why the management team want to play the game in Newbridge
1. They haven't won there for a year
2. I was at the Kildare Mayo league match and it was pretty full. If Mayo use their full complement of season tickets then there is no point even looking for a ticket because they'll be like Hen's teeth
3. Kildare's only chance of winning this game is by running the legs off an ageing Mayo team but instead they want to play it in a smaller pitch than Croke. I would have said Yes to croke park but we want to play the game at 3 in the heat of the day. An evening match will suit Mayo even more.

Conversely you could argue that 90% of Mayo's good performances over the past 5 years have come at Croke Park. It's everywhere else where they have looked vulnerable. Even at home in Castlebar.

Maybe they only play well in Leinster. I saw them in Newbridge this year and they played well but then i was in  Castlebar against Tyrone and they were abysmal.