Tyrone v Dublin - The return of the Jedi

[doodaa]

The lack of intensity from Tyrone yesterday was the most disappointing thing.

The goal for a start was as a result of Sludden overhitting a simple hand pass, Dublin breaking and McNamee making the most pathetic attempt you'd see to stop O'Callaghan. If you look at the contrast with Dublin yesterday, they were hunting in packs, they were checking runs and niggling at their markers, the rare time a man got into a dangerous area he was stopped fairly or unfairly, but he was stopped. There was none of that from Tyrone yesterday which made it all the more disappointing.

Tyrone this year have been retreating back and then hitting teams on the 45 and turning them over, today was disgraceful. Dublin were allowed work the ball into the 30 yard line without a glove on them. Andrews, Rock and Mannion etc were all allowed to win ball in there without a glove laid on them and the lack of pressure applied was baffling. Was it down to tactics of the players afraid of their lives of what Dublin could do to them. Probably a bit of both.

The mentality of the side was all wrong today. The tactics on the Dublin kickouts were disgraceful, when we went to push up on the kickouts we were still leaving a man completely unmarked in a pocket of space between midfield and half back. When you push up on kickouts you have to go man for man on everyone, we didn't - we left one guy free all the time.

Colm Cavanagh battled gallantly, took a few great scores but outside of that it was fairly bleak. A rethink is needed for sure.

I actually thought the ref was partly to blame for that overhit handpass.
Just as he was about to release the ball ref cuts in front of him and he ends up trying to pop it over the refs head, albeit too much and the result was the goal.

[Owen Brannigan]

Anyone know where Peter Donnelly was today?

Not much evidence of the much vaunted superior fitness and conditioning of Tyrone from The full back left on his backside for the first goal by a youngster running through him to McMenaman swatting players aside as he bore down on goal to the overall exhaustion of chasing shadows throughout the game. Dublin players were barely out of breath at any time as they barrelled up and down the pitch at will. Even in the close combat areas, apart from the Cantona kick, the physical encounters all belonged to Dublin.

[RedHand88]

Look. Thing is I'm satisfied as a Tyrone fan. Look at other counties who have been on a par with us during the Harte era and have fallen the other side of the so called top 4 barrier (Armagh, Derry, Cork, Donegal this year). Would I take any of them over us right now? Course not. We are still in a good place.

Dublin 2-23 Kildare 1-17
Dublin 2-17 Tyrone 0-11

So?

Tyrone 3-17 Armagh 0-08
Armagh 1-17 Kildare 0-17

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Just a word of appreciation to the Dublin lads for their acknowledgement of Seán Cavanagh at the game's conclusion, sláinte.

[DUBSFORSAM1]

Dublin played more defensive back in 2014 we could been seeing the first 5 in a row team here. learned their lesson the hard way

No they didn't. It was there lack of defensive shape which let Donegal run through them in the second half. They have have been playing a sweeper since that.

They are playing with their centre back playing defensively which doesn't mean playing a sweeper. It's not like moving a midfielder/forward back to defence

[yellowcard]

Very disappointing game, it was after the Lord Mayors show after watching the Mayo v Kerry game. I felt sorry for the Tyrone fans when the Dubs started oleing passes after 30 minutes. Tyrone simply had no plan B once they were left chasing the game. Such was the magnitude of the defeat it couldw Elk spell the end for Mickey Harte. We didn't learn anything about the Dubs yesterday but Mayo will at least die with their boots on in the final, whether they are good enough is another matter but I really hope they can do it.

[Over the Bar]

Firstly congrats to the Dubs today not only a magnificent footballing side but some of the best supporters in the business...

I am almost glad that Tyrone and more so mickeys system has taking an unmercifull tanking. I hope that this is the final nail in the coffin.  I have followed Tyrone for over 35 years now. This is a county which could always produce some of the greatest talents of the game. It is the county that produced Iggy Jones Frankie Donnelly Frank McGuigan Peter Canavan Stephen O Neill. Players of the highest calibre.  The cancer which inflicts this county is the negative rubbish that is fostered in Garvaghy over the last 10 years. Young players on development squads are prevented from playing attacking football instead encourage to play the % system. Our senior teams ape the dross played at county level and you have great clubs like Carmen Ardboe Dromore Killycloghrr and Errigal playing the same defensive systems that make our games unwatchable. I really hope that there is a root and branch review of the direction that this county is being dragged down and the required changes made before we are left with nothing but robot's.

I have to agree with most of this.

I think also it is interesting that when Peter Donnelly was with Cavan they had a number of Ulster under 21 wins but couldn't do anything in All Ireland series.  Tyrone now seem to be following a similar path.

As an Armagh man it is expected that some Tyrone ones will point to what the match today says about Armagh.  Personally this year I would prefer to be an Armagh supporter than a Tyrone one. [/b]

Well personally I'm 100%  more happy to be a Tyrone GAA supporter than an Armagh one.  First of all, even if we are not AI material, 15 years on we continue to hand the Orchard their hole on a plate 9 times out of 10 when we meet them -
and the gulf in class continues to grow.  Secondly because as a Tyrone fan not many teams outside Dublin, Kerry, Mayo will beat us but not only can Armagh not buy a win in Ulster, they can't even  rule out  teams like Kilkenny footballers, Harland and Wolff Dry-liners GAA   and Isle of Man Gaels running thru like Frank McGuigan himself...

You must be gutted by that hammering, slap it up you, Tyrone are the big one in Ulster and a second rate team outside it, away and lick your wounds, the worse performance I have ever seen in croke park, trailing and Tyrone just sat back and let Dublin totally embarrass them.  You should be thankful Dublin didn't get out of second gear - yerrrrroooooo you ballbag!

Oh dear.  Another day on the buckfast and the insults are flying.  Away off to division 3 with you and prepare for another 20 point hammering by us next year. 

[Main Street]

Just a word of appreciation to the Dublin lads for their acknowledgement of Seán Cavanagh at the game's conclusion, sláinte.

I already did that for you at the game's end, in the absence of any expressed gratitude from the Tyronies here.

We can truly say that Sean tried his best to live the truism of St.Francis of Assisi to the fullest.
"It is in diving that we are born to eternal life"

[omagh_gael]

I cant recall Mark Bradley touching the ball in a scenario that would be considered anyway threatening. Our only full time forward didn't get possession and try and take on his marker once. Totally nuts.

Not blaming him in anyway as he had an absolutely thankless task. Last year the exact same scenario transpired against Mayo only Ronan O'Neill ploughed the lone furrow up front.

[DUBSFORSAM1]

The lack of intensity from Tyrone yesterday was the most disappointing thing.

The goal for a start was as a result of Sludden overhitting a simple hand pass, Dublin breaking and McNamee making the most pathetic attempt you'd see to stop O'Callaghan. If you look at the contrast with Dublin yesterday, they were hunting in packs, they were checking runs and niggling at their markers, the rare time a man got into a dangerous area he was stopped fairly or unfairly, but he was stopped. There was none of that from Tyrone yesterday which made it all the more disappointing.

Tyrone this year have been retreating back and then hitting teams on the 45 and turning them over, today was disgraceful. Dublin were allowed work the ball into the 30 yard line without a glove on them. Andrews, Rock and Mannion etc were all allowed to win ball in there without a glove laid on them and the lack of pressure applied was baffling. Was it down to tactics of the players afraid of their lives of what Dublin could do to them. Probably a bit of both.

The mentality of the side was all wrong today. The tactics on the Dublin kickouts were disgraceful, when we went to push up on the kickouts we were still leaving a man completely unmarked in a pocket of space between midfield and half back. When you push up on kickouts you have to go man for man on everyone, we didn't - we left one guy free all the time.

Colm Cavanagh battled gallantly, took a few great scores but outside of that it was fairly bleak. A rethink is needed for sure.

What you are forgetting is that most Ulster teams don't have the following - 5/6 forwards who can score from play off either foot (ie Armagh have Clarke), they don't use the full width of the pitch and keep 3 forwards up front to ensure that the fullback line have to mark them out wide and they don't have players like McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton etc coming onto the ball at pace.

McNamee had only one choice which was to take O'Callaghan down and get a black card though.

As for the kick-outs you can only do that if you are happy to leave your fullback line 3 on 3 after the kickout with 40 yards of space in front of them.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Dublin played more defensive back in 2014 we could been seeing the first 5 in a row team here. learned their lesson the hard way

No they didn't. It was there lack of defensive shape which let Donegal run through them in the second half. They have have been playing a sweeper since that.

They are playing with their centre back playing defensively which doesn't mean playing a sweeper. It's not like moving a midfielder/forward back to defence

Dublin had 15 men in their own half many times yesterday. The notion that they don't play defensively is a joke. They are an incredibly talented, well rounded, immensely athletic side.

[barelegs]

Dublin played more defensive back in 2014 we could been seeing the first 5 in a row team here. learned their lesson the hard way

No they didn't. It was there lack of defensive shape which let Donegal run through them in the second half. They have have been playing a sweeper since that.

They are playing with their centre back playing defensively which doesn't mean playing a sweeper. It's not like moving a midfielder/forward back to defence

Dublin had 15 men in their own half many times yesterday. The notion that they don't play defensively is a joke. They are an incredibly talented, well rounded, immensely athletic side.

There are none as blind as those that will not see.

Dublin vastly superior to Tyrone yesterday. No complaints here but the idea that they play some for of old fashioned football with 6 players up the field at all times is laughable. They regularly had every player in their own 45, as did Tyrone. The only difference was Dublin went man to man in defence, Tyrone zonal. Dublin were much better at taking their chances when they came, hence the wide figures

[yellowcard]

Felt sorry for Bradley yesterday. He was like a traffic cone on the pitch, there was 80 yards distance between him and his team mates when Tyrone were defending. Does Harte have so little faith in his defenders ability that he feels the need to flood his defence with 13 bodies. That's all well and good but when they attCk there is no outlet ball. Even if he stationed another body on the 45 to bridge the gap it would at least help create an out ball. It was pure shit on a stick football watching that garbage.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Dublin played more defensive back in 2014 we could been seeing the first 5 in a row team here. learned their lesson the hard way

No they didn't. It was there lack of defensive shape which let Donegal run through them in the second half. They have have been playing a sweeper since that.

They are playing with their centre back playing defensively which doesn't mean playing a sweeper. It's not like moving a midfielder/forward back to defence

Dublin had 15 men in their own half many times yesterday. The notion that they don't play defensively is a joke. They are an incredibly talented, well rounded, immensely athletic side.

There are none as blind as those that will not see.

Dublin vastly superior to Tyrone yesterday. No complaints here but the idea that they play some for of old fashioned football with 6 players up the field at all times is laughable. They regularly had every player in their own 45, as did Tyrone. The only difference was Dublin went man to man in defence, Tyrone zonal. Dublin were much better at taking their chances when they came, hence the wide figures

+1

An incredible team but they aren't purists in what they will do win. Everything is off the table in those regards and there's nothing wrong with - but there's no need for distortion.

[BennyHarp]

Dublin played more defensive back in 2014 we could been seeing the first 5 in a row team here. learned their lesson the hard way

No they didn't. It was there lack of defensive shape which let Donegal run through them in the second half. They have have been playing a sweeper since that.

They are playing with their centre back playing defensively which doesn't mean playing a sweeper. It's not like moving a midfielder/forward back to defence

Dublin had 15 men in their own half many times yesterday. The notion that they don't play defensively is a joke. They are an incredibly talented, well rounded, immensely athletic side.

There are none as blind as those that will not see.

Dublin vastly superior to Tyrone yesterday. No complaints here but the idea that they play some for of old fashioned football with 6 players up the field at all times is laughable. They regularly had every player in their own 45, as did Tyrone. The only difference was Dublin went man to man in defence, Tyrone zonal. Dublin were much better at taking their chances when they came, hence the wide figures

+1

An incredible team but they aren't purists in what they will do win. Everything is off the table in those regards and there's nothing wrong with - but there's no need for distortion.

I was taking particular notice of the "take it in turns" approach to fouling Peter Harte off the ball yesterday. Funny how the build up was all about how Tyrone target players but the Dubs took it to another level in this instance. Interesting how it hasn't been reported either. Maybe they even had a life size cut out of Harte in their changing room. Great team they most definitely are, purists they most definitely arent.