Elections North and South

Started by Farrandeelin, April 18, 2019, 04:09:48 PM

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Kidder81

Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2019, 02:06:03 PM
Amanda Ferguson
@AmandaFBelfast

Could we all get real here. The rest of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales have same-sex civil marriage, abortion access, legal language protection. Which of these should British and Irish citizens in the north/Northern Ireland not have? This position is simply not sustainable.

Who is Amanda Ferguson ?

Kickham csc

Quote from: Franko on May 07, 2019, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on May 07, 2019, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 07, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.

DUP ex-SpAD was on tv the other day about this funny enough.  Some 'commentator' was saying DUP/SF don't work together and everyone else complains whereas if they work together re: funding for Féile and bonfires, then it's a 'carve up'.  He said they can't win.

Agree to an extent.  It's a sure sign of someone who can't think for themselves when they start to introduce these common waffle terms like 'carve-up' and 'shinnerbot'.  However, I do think there's a point here. Why could SF and the DUP manage to work together on these issues (distributing funds directly to their support bases) but can't seem to on other, more pressing issues?

I'm not saying it's all their fault either.  I could imagine that the DUP are a lot more prone to making an agreement when they know that by doing so, they'll be given wads of cash to dish out to their mates.

This is the critical question, not money for mates.

Why can you work together, sit beside each other in church, say all the right thinks on a Monday, but can't get down to business Tuesday, Wednesday etc etc?

Likewise, Unionists always mess up the Tricolour issue, calling it a terrorists flag etc. The flag is green white and orange, not green white and gold. If I was a unionist, I would be asking SF why they are not embracing the orange section of the flag, and how will they guarantee the orange culture existence in the future, in a nationalist NI or in a UI



RedHand88

Quote from: Kidder81 on May 07, 2019, 05:27:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2019, 02:06:03 PM
Amanda Ferguson
@AmandaFBelfast

Could we all get real here. The rest of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales have same-sex civil marriage, abortion access, legal language protection. Which of these should British and Irish citizens in the north/Northern Ireland not have? This position is simply not sustainable.

Who is Amanda Ferguson ?

Local political pundit.

LooseCannon

How will it go in your area down South?
Our council in Offaly is currently 8FF 4FG 3SF 1Renua Ireland 3 Independents.
3 electoral areas.
Birr: 6 seats 2FF 1FG 1SF 1 Renua Ireland 1 Independent
Tullamore: 7 seats 4FF 1 FG 1 SF 2 Independents
Edenderry: 6 seats 2 FF 2 FG 1SF 1 Independent

smelmoth

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Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on May 07, 2019, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 07, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.

DUP ex-SpAD was on tv the other day about this funny enough.  Some 'commentator' was saying DUP/SF don't work together and everyone else complains whereas if they work together re: funding for Féile and bonfires, then it's a 'carve up'.  He said they can't win.

That ex-spad completely misses the point. The parties that can divvy up the cash jointly and work together on bonfires and Feile but not on schools, education, housing, the economy, policing, crime etc are failed and failing parties. Electorally successful but failures all the same.

All that guff about not being able to win either way is horseshit and typical of those 2 parties

smelmoth

Are all the spads currently ex-spads? Presumably they don't get paid at the moment?

If they have to be reappointed if Stormont is restored it will be interesting to see the appointment process given O'Muilleoir's little difficulty

playwiththewind1st

There's a far more interesting case than that, which has been ongoing, for quite some time. Watch this space.

smelmoth

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on May 08, 2019, 02:47:37 PM
There's a far more interesting case than that, which has been ongoing, for quite some time. Watch this space.
Timeframe?

armaghniac

Six county Euro poll.

SF 27.2%
DUP 20.2%
SDLP 13.1%
UUP 11.8%
Alliance 11.3%
TUV 8.5%
Green 4.6%
Unionist for Brexit 1.7%
Ind Morrice 1.4%
Con & Ind McCann 0.1% each
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Rossfan

So it's " Us"40.4, "Them" 42.3 "Neither" 17.3.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

trailer

SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.

screenexile

Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2019, 04:47:39 PM
SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.

Did you not get the memo about all the good work she's doing in Brussels opposing Brexit ??

It's their stock answer for anything to do with it... "Oh well Martina Anderson is doing blah blah f**k all"

playwiththewind1st

Just heard today that someone who couldn't even get re-elected in the recent Council elections has now been co-opted & promoted to replace an MLA,  who had stepped down to become a councillor. You couldn't make it up! Shows a certain contempt for the whole election process.

trailer

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on May 13, 2019, 05:08:24 PM
Just heard today that someone who couldn't even get re-elected in the recent Council elections has now been co-opted & promoted to replace an MLA,  who had stepped down to become a councillor. You couldn't make it up! Shows a certain contempt for the whole election process.

Who?

armaghniac

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2019, 03:51:51 PM
So it's " Us"40.4, "Them" 42.3 "Neither" 17.3.

That is the modern NI, except the next election will be us 41% them 41% and neither 18%.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B