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Title: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 12:10:51 AM
Has there been one???

What the f**k do all the suits in Croke Park get paid for if not for moments like this??!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 12:22:01 AM
They don't want their revenue to take a hit.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on March 12, 2020, 12:35:52 AM
Can't imagine any GAA games being played behind closed doors.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: giveballaghback on March 12, 2020, 01:06:37 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on March 12, 2020, 12:35:52 AM
Can't imagine any GAA games being played behind closed doors.
Yes it will happen, if not this weekend then next weekend. They will want to complete the league before going into shutdown untill this is under control. I can see them cancelling the divisional finals and declaring the table toppers winners. What is happening in Cheltenham is wreckless at best and in a quickly evolving situation common sence must prevail.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on March 12, 2020, 07:24:24 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 12:10:51 AM
Has there been one???

What the f**k do all the suits in Croke Park get paid for if not for moments like this??!!

This is starting to move fast now. I can see a situation where the whole season is decimated. County championship and club football will be condensed into a small window between july, august and september if we can get it under control. The problem is there's likely to be a second wave in the autumn.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 07:35:33 AM
Walked into toilets in Brewster park and walked out, think there was one sink in corner and 50 people in the "building", all GAA grounds wouldn't have the best hygiene in the toilet department!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 12, 2020, 07:45:29 AM
Frankly I believe the GAA's response has been an absolute disgrace.

Safety of its members should be paramount - remember this is an amateur organisation with amateurs at the heart of the organisation.

As it stands the league games go ahead and our kids also have games this weekend.

Shocking
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
They need to keep the money flowing in, it always is and always will be about the money.  Sure there are individuals on here who's attitude is feck it just the old and sick will die, there's no accounting for folk.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 12, 2020, 08:22:10 AM
Our club went looking for some advice on what to publish to our members. Zero from the county board. Would you believe, some of county board are actually in Cheltenham! In the end I looked around and found on Cavan GAA twitter a modest update (My current club not in Cavan) and I found some good updates from individual clubs out there who took the lead on this themselves. So we have put something out to our members on social media. Its really poor from the GAA, no leadership what so ever.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 12, 2020, 08:48:58 AM
Our club has posted advice to its members and players (of all age groups). At least they have taken steps.
Nothing from the County Board (that I'm aware of). Fixtures will be suspended.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 10:04:14 AM
My son plays basketball, all of his training and matches are now off for the foreseeable future. They got their direction from basketball Ireland - his GAA team are playing away and the club say they have had no direction from anyone. They have training tonight, as have the girls team and seniors. The club will be a hive of activity, as will most clubs.
Either the GAA have their heads in the sand or they have a clear strategy that they are following. Not sure which.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on March 12, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
The last two rounds should be behind closed doors.
Ideally an exception could be made for a local streaming services to broadcast any that are not on TV.

How many young and older bucks are due back around the clubs after coming back from Cheltenham? If they go training with lads this weekend the whole thing could be done either way and the club championships are fecked if cases start popping up.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 10:34:11 AM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 10:04:14 AM
My son plays basketball, all of his training and matches are now off for the foreseeable future. They got their direction from basketball Ireland - his GAA team are playing away and the club say they have had no direction from anyone. They have training tonight, as have the girls team and seniors. The club will be a hive of activity, as will most clubs.
Either the GAA have their heads in the sand or they have a clear strategy that they are following. Not sure which.

Nobody is sure... if they are following a clear strategy why aren't they telling us they're doing this??

Make a decision and explain it this doing nothing head in the sand nonsense does nobody any good!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
GAA are part of the problem and it goes to show when there is a crisis they have no leadership. The GAA should have it's members as the number 1 priority. While some consider it an extreme measure playing games behind closed, it is a sensible measure. It is a better option than giving a virus free reign to travel from person to person across different parts of the country.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 11:17:00 AM
The GPA have even released some guidelines!!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: naka on March 12, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
call the season off
positions as is  deal with promotion and relegation
this is a serious issue we are facing and the suits in Dublin need to show keadership
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 12, 2020, 11:49:07 AM
Croke park will surely be making a stated in light of the announcement by Leo.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 12, 2020, 11:59:22 AM
Forget behind closed doors matches. Cancel the matches. Players and back room team will still be at risk.

If there's no All Ireland championships this year, well then, that's just the way it is. It's only sport. Peoples lives are far more important.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: naka on March 12, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
call the season off
positions as is  deal with promotion and relegation
this is a serious issue we are facing and the suits in Dublin need to show keadership

Call the season off and forget about promotion and relegation.

Same teams in same divisions next year and go again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on March 12, 2020, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: naka on March 12, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
call the season off
positions as is  deal with promotion and relegation
this is a serious issue we are facing and the suits in Dublin need to show keadership

Call the season off and forget about promotion and relegation.

Same teams in same divisions next year and go again.


so long as Tyrone can play Kerry and Dublin again next year on bad pitches.

in all seriousness, i have to agree that the GAA response has been really poor on this. they need to make a statement asap.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 12, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
Potential for this week's league games now to be cancelled going by Varadkar's statement?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 12, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
Potential for this week's league games now to be cancelled going by Varadkar's statement?

I took it as they were definitely going to be off.

If you were a player, would you want to play?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 12, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 12, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
Potential for this week's league games now to be cancelled going by Varadkar's statement?

I took it as they were definitely going to be off.

If you were a player, would you want to play?

You'd assume so but nothing official yet from the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
Dublin have shut everything down. . . terrible that the a unit of the GAA is showing more leadership than the governing body!!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
GAA are meeting this afternoon "to make a decision" according to recent release.

No panic there lads, take your time!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
Dublin have shut everything down. . . terrible that the a unit of the GAA is showing more leadership than the governing body!!!
Presumably all the CC delegates/members would have to be consulted plus Co Chairs etc before any announcement.
We wouldn't want the paid "suits in Croke Park" dictating would we?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 12, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
Antrim GAA have requested that clubs suspend all activities from tomorrow until further notice..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ambrose on March 12, 2020, 01:38:01 PM
GAA will confirm in next hour that as of midnight there is a blanket ban on ALL activity at every age level.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

You didn't need to make a decision on a shutdown a few weeks ago.

More like recommended advice on what to do now, what is the path forward and what the trigger points for any decisions will be.

With that framework in place, then everyone knows where they stand as the situation evolves.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on March 12, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

I agree Wobbler - however we live in an age of social media crazed fanatics.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA weren't?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isn't on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didn't!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Keyser soze on March 12, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
Wobbler you are wasting your time, anyone that thinks dealing with Covid 19 is the responsibility of the GAA is beyond rational argument, a wry smile at the idiots and let them post their nonsense unmolested. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Did every u7 know where their managers / coaches visited lately, who they were in contact with, who had drank from the communal water bottles being fired around - stop trying to score points I know more than you and get the f**k of your high horse.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AFM on March 12, 2020, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on March 12, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
Wobbler you are wasting your time, anyone that thinks dealing with Covid 19 is the responsibility of the GAA is beyond rational argument, a wry smile at the idiots and let them post their nonsense unmolested.

A ridiculous statement - who said it was!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 01:52:42 PM
Could they not finish the last 2 rounds of the League in Dubai or somewhere there is no Covid 19 restriction ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA weren't?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isn't on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didn't!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. It's a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


——

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, it's not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 12, 2020, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Having a different point of view from yours isn't being demanding or twisty. It's an opinion. I think the GAA should have taken the lead. It's a sporting organisation. So it's a much easier decision to make for the GAA than for the schools and businesses. You could argue that the kids sit beside each other in school therefore closing anything is pointless. It's not. It reduces the risk. Maybe not substantially but anything that can help at this earlier stage should be done.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA weren't?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isn't on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didn't!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. It's a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


——

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, it's not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.

The Government at least released guidelines the GAA didn't even have so much as a video on how to wash your hands properly . . . they have a far greater reach than the news or traditional media would. They have a health and wellbeing unit in Croke Park surely this falls into their remit!

I also don't buy the County boards shutting down before the GAA presumably they had to do this in conjunction with the GAA in which case should the organisation as a whole not have taken the lead??

Why were basketball Ireland able to call a full shutdown last night while they GAA had to wait until after it's individual units had gone ahead with it?

At the end of the day the right decision was made but the GAA should learn lessons for the next time we have a situation like this and going forward as there will be more hard choices to make before this situation abates.

They're called the leadership for a reason... they need to lead!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on March 12, 2020, 02:26:37 PM
This has just been issued to season ticket holders -

   
Covid-19 - GAA Allianz National League Update


A Chara

In light of this morning's Government announcement, the GAA, An Cumann Camógaíochta and the Ladies Gaelic Football Association have decided to suspend all activity at club, county and educational levels until March 29 (inclusive) from midnight.

This is to include all games, training and team gatherings at all ages and all grades.

We will continue to liaise with Government officials and review the situation between now and the end of the month, assessing the impact of these measures on our competitions.

In the meantime, the Association is encouraging all members to continue to follow the guidelines which have been provided by the Health Authorities.

GAA Ticket Office
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: NAG1 on March 12, 2020, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 12, 2020, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA weren't?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isn't on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didn't!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. It's a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


——

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, it's not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.

The Government at least released guidelines the GAA didn't even have so much as a video on how to wash your hands properly . . . they have a far greater reach than the news or traditional media would. They have a health and wellbeing unit in Croke Park surely this falls into their remit!

I also don't buy the County boards shutting down before the GAA presumably they had to do this in conjunction with the GAA in which case should the organisation as a whole not have taken the lead??

Why were basketball Ireland able to call a full shutdown last night while they GAA had to wait until after it's individual units had gone ahead with it?

At the end of the day the right decision was made but the GAA should learn lessons for the next time we have a situation like this and going forward as there will be more hard choices to make before this situation abates.

They're called the leadership for a reason... they need to lead!!

FFS, are we wanting the GAA to tell us how to wash our hands now?

Come on people, get real now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2020, 03:10:08 PM
They'll want the GAA to wipe their behind next  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on March 12, 2020, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)

I expect us to lead that's all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on March 12, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
Nobody died because the GAA waited til the afternoon today rather than rushing an announcement ahead of the government.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: five points on March 12, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
Nobody died because the GAA waited til the afternoon today rather than rushing an announcement ahead of the government.

Didn't you hear? Two juggernauts are currently on a road not big enough for both, and look like meeting each other head at some indiscernible time in the future. Had the GAA been bothered to put a few "slow down" signs on the road last week, this surely would have helped.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on March 12, 2020, 04:58:00 PM
Personally, I'm disappointed, was really looking forward to Armagh v Roscommon on Saturday night, but we're in a unique situation at present.  I'd a weird feeling leaving Enniskillen last weekend that it could be the last game for a while, and here we are.  I think a resumption in 2 weeks is very optimistic, but here's hoping.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on March 12, 2020, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on March 12, 2020, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)

I expect us to lead that's all.

Why would the GAA lead on this, have they the relevant medical experts to come to medical conclusions. The government has medical advisors to advise - so the government leads and the GAA follows. This is exactly what happened here. Exactly how it should be.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: Rudi on March 12, 2020, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on March 12, 2020, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Better late than never but was a little slower than it should have been.

What less than a couple of hours after the government statement to the same effect, after following advice of government departments for the previous couple of weeks?  ::)

I expect us to lead that's all.

Why would the GAA lead on this, have they the relevant medical experts to come to medical conclusions. The government has medical advisors to advise - so the government leads and the GAA follows. This is exactly what happened here. Exactly how it should be.

As the largest community organisation in the country should the GAA not have been proactive with the authorities in assisting information campaigns/advice to members etc.? God knows how many millions of people in the country are involved in GAA Whatsapp groups across the country the GAA could definitely have done more!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the "GAA has a responsibility" in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 06:09:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the "GAA has a responsibility" in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

You take personal responsibility when it comes to your own personal hygeine. It's other people that don't.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 12, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on March 12, 2020, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?

Longer with the approach UK and US are taking.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?
Shorter.
Lots of people saying viruses are less effective in summer
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 12, 2020, 07:00:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.
Can someone post that article up as its behind a pay wall for me.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on March 12, 2020, 07:29:10 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 12, 2020, 07:00:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.
Can someone post that article up as its behind a pay wall for me.
I am not an IT subscriber but I could access it through a special portal


Abandoned GAA leagues and restructured championships on the cards

There may be no option but to defer the introduction of the Taliteann Cup until 2021


A major revamp of the GAA season will have to be considered with abandoned leagues and restructured championships on the cards.

These possibilities arise as the association reviews its position after Thursday's announcement that the country would be subject to nationwide restrictions until the end of March.

The outlining of emergency measures came as an inevitable conclusion to a week of intensifying concerns about the spread of coronoavirus.

Sports organisations have all along been following the policy of being guided by public health authorities and up and down the country, organising committees for the various national league fixtures were planning contingencies for matches going ahead or being played behind closed doors.

The latter solution wasn't considered desirable for a couple of reasons: control of those seeking to attend, concern for players, who would be in close proximity for well over an hour of physical contact and the necessity to act and be seen to act decisively.

The decision, announced later in the day, that all Gaelic games activities would be halted provides a clean break in schedules and will allow time for the relevant GAA officials to plan what to do with the remainder of the season.

"In all of this, public health is the first priority," said one source, "and then second, business and people's livelihoods. Sport comes third. We'll be sitting down between now and 29th March to work out where we go from here."

That will be no small detail. Despite the ravages of the weather, the leagues were within a couple of weeks of being concluded. Allowing for what even at this stage looks the benign interpretation that things will be significantly improved by the end of March, there is simply no room to find those weeks for the league.

It might be possible to defer the various divisional finals until later in the year but Division 1 of the hurling league is only at the quarter-final stage. Mobilising April, the month advanced as an inter-county-free zone in the past two years, does not appear to be an option.

First, it was created to benefit clubs and their players and there is no appetite to infringe on that except for maybe a couple of fixtures that might give clarity to next year's league. Secondly, it would only arise as a possibility if there was a lifting or partial lifting of restrictions by the end of March - a prospect not viewed as a likelihood by any of the stakeholders.

There is, counter-intuitively, less interest in the destination of the prizes at stake in the league than in the orderly resolution of the competition's composition for 2021 - essentially, relegation and promotion issues.

As for championship, it wouldn't be hugely affected were the 29th March to prove the end of restrictions but in the more likely event that the public health situation still isn't resolved more radical measures will be required.

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

One of the more contentious aspects of the championship has been the establishment of the Tailteann Cup, a graded football championship for counties in Divisions Three and Four of next year's league.

Immediately there is the problem that as the league has not been concluded, the composition of those divisions is as yet unknown. Again, this will come down to how soon the season can re-start. Were it possible in the event of even slightly eased restrictions, a couple of relevant fixtures could be staged behind closed doors to give definition to the situation.

Realistically, though there may be no option but to abandon this year's leagues and defer the introduction of the Taliteann Cup until 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on March 12, 2020, 08:30:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: five points on March 12, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
Nobody died because the GAA waited til the afternoon today rather than rushing an announcement ahead of the government.

Didn't you hear? Two juggernauts are currently on a road not big enough for both, and look like meeting each other head at some indiscernible time in the future. Had the GAA been bothered to put a few "slow down" signs on the road last week, this surely would have helped.

An odd analogy, and a weak one. There weren't even that many games played in the past week.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/abandoned-gaa-leagues-and-restructured-championships-on-the-cards-1.4201358

There is a desire to finish the All-Irelands by the scheduled dates, as not to do so would compromise club fixtures up and down the country. If maintaining that schedule requires the re-introduction of a knock-out format, last exclusively seen 24 years ago, that may well be considered.

There won't be a championship in 2020. This thing will last (at least) 6 months.

[at least, you better f**king pray it does, 'cos otherwise the health services will utterly collapse]
I doubt it will last 6 months

You think shorter or longer?
Shorter.
Lots of people saying viruses are less effective in summer

Well lots of people probably need to have a look at the weather in Tehran and then draw their conclusions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on March 12, 2020, 09:06:26 PM
A knockout Championship for the year would be interesting, if it came to that
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 13, 2020, 04:05:34 AM
If it goes to knockout make it open draw 32 teams forget provincials
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 13, 2020, 04:48:48 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 12, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

But things changed this morning... why were Dublin Antrim and Meath able to make the call and the GAA weren't?

Also their silence on the whole issue for the past few weeks isn't on as the largest community organisation in the country it had a duty to communicate much more with its members and it didn't!!

Why were Dublin, Antrim and Meath able to make the call?

1. Because the government did it for them.
2. Most likely dictated by the chair/Secretary CEO, and agreed (ironically) on WhatsApp this morning. It's a no brainer once schools are closed.
3. The GAA has a wider remit than any county board, including cross-jurisdiction.


——

Why the silence the past fortnight?

You seem to be confusing the GAA with government. When the latter is being covert, sensitive, wary, unsure, it's not the role of a sporting association to ride in with guns firing.

The Government at least released guidelines the GAA didn't even have so much as a video on how to wash your hands properly . . . they have a far greater reach than the news or traditional media would. They have a health and wellbeing unit in Croke Park surely this falls into their remit!

I also don't buy the County boards shutting down before the GAA presumably they had to do this in conjunction with the GAA in which case should the organisation as a whole not have taken the lead??

Why were basketball Ireland able to call a full shutdown last night while they GAA had to wait until after it's individual units had gone ahead with it?

At the end of the day the right decision was made but the GAA should learn lessons for the next time we have a situation like this and going forward as there will be more hard choices to make before this situation abates.

They're called the leadership for a reason... they need to lead!!

And when they do lead they're called dictators. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 13, 2020, 09:55:58 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 13, 2020, 04:05:34 AM
If it goes to knockout make it open draw 32 teams forget provincials
No thanks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the "GAA has a responsibility" in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

Can't we have both???
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ck on March 13, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the "GAA has a responsibility" in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

Can't we have both???

Of course we should have both!

Everyone needs to make the right decision for themselves first and foremost. As a coach of 2 teams in my club I have a responsibility to my players to provide direction and leadership in their best interest. I asked the club for a directive on it (as we have a match on Saturday which had not been cancelled) who in turn asked the county board. The county board said they were awaiting advice and direction from Croke Park. It came eventually, thankfully, but it was slow and was behind other sports. Had it not come we had made a club decision that we were not going to field.

Thewobblers assertion that the GAA didnt need to to anything in this instance is just nonsense.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maroon Manc on March 13, 2020, 12:06:44 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 12, 2020, 09:06:26 PM
A knockout Championship for the year would be interesting, if it came to that

Would be although unlike the soccer we've time on our side.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 13, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
Club county championships can be played off in 3 or  4 weeks like in tyrone 16 teams play every weekend no replays also can do it quicker if bring in mid week games  dublin can go to a 16 team knockout instead of groups
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on March 13, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: ck on March 13, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the "GAA has a responsibility" in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?

Can't we have both???

Of course we should have both!

Everyone needs to make the right decision for themselves first and foremost. As a coach of 2 teams in my club I have a responsibility to my players to provide direction and leadership in their best interest. I asked the club for a directive on it (as we have a match on Saturday which had not been cancelled) who in turn asked the county board. The county board said they were awaiting advice and direction from Croke Park. It came eventually, thankfully, but it was slow and was behind other sports. Had it not come we had made a club decision that we were not going to field.

Thewobblers assertion that the GAA didnt need to to anything in this instance is just nonsense.
Where did Wobbler assert that the GAA didn't need to do anything in this instance?
Now we have chinese whispers.

Personal responsibility overides, how one interacts in their home and outside with elderly people, smokers etc, and vice versa.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 13, 2020, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the "GAA has a responsibility" in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?


https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/ (https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/)

Transcript below if you can't play the video. You've another person to object to as strongly as possible here.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: blanketattack on March 14, 2020, 09:48:03 AM
The Kerry County Board have confirmed today that David Clifford has tested positive
(https://i.ibb.co/Tkx2PzL/main-Media-Size-537x291-type-image-publish-true-image.jpg)
...for being the best footballer in Ireland
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on March 14, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Is it the fancy dans who were due to play New York this may ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 14, 2020, 07:34:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 13, 2020, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: ck on March 12, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 12, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Why on earth would the GAA have ordered a full shutdown when all its members are still mingling daily at school and work?

The GAA can now follow up appropriately and will do today.

Some of you are demanding. Some of you are just twisty and nasty. Most of you are just unrealistic.

It's called leadership! The GAA has a responsibility to look after the best interest of its members and players. Regardless of what other activities its members get up to there is an onus on the GAA hierarchy to give a clear direction for matches and club activity. I'm sure they will get their act together soon following the Gov announcement but I'd have expected it to be sooner.

Again, unrealistic, demanding, maybe even twisty.


As of this morning, every u7, u9 and u11 rural Gael in Ireland was sitting in a confined space with all other children their age.

Even the under 7s would have been able to point out the flaw in telling them the GAA club had stopped their training.

Twisty?! Get over yourself!

I have an 85 year old mother, I'm at my club 3 evenings per week training teams. The last thing I want to do is carry something back to my Mum.
As a governing body the GAA has a responsibility and therefore needed to give some direction, not to sit on their hands.


I too have pensioner parents.

And I object as is strongly as possible to you claiming that the "GAA has a responsibility" in the subsequent sentence.

Just what does it take for people like you start assuming personal responsibility?


https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/ (https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/watch-gaa-president-john-horan-encourages-gaa-clubs-to-look-after-the-most-vulne/)

Transcript below if you can't play the video. You've another person to object to as strongly as possible here.

Exactly the kind of thing the GAA should be advocating... this is leadership!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 14, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 14, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Is it the fancy dans who were due to play New York this may ?
Yeah and I think Sligo are due to play London.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 14, 2020, 11:58:18 PM
Ros are due to play London.
Probably wont be happening......
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 15, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
gaa got lucky moving the club championships to january
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 15, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 14, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 14, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Is it the fancy dans who were due to play New York this may ?
Yeah and I think Sligo are due to play London.

We've Galway or NY. Though I can't see it happening now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mouview on March 15, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 14, 2020, 09:48:03 AM
The Kerry County Board have confirmed today that David Clifford has tested positive
(https://i.ibb.co/Tkx2PzL/main-Media-Size-537x291-type-image-publish-true-image.jpg)
...for being the best footballer in Ireland

Galway county board mounting an appeal.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on March 15, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
For the Galway-NY and Roscommon-London matches, I can't see them going ahead at any point this year now, at this stage if we see any Championship this year at all we'll be doing well.

Shane Walsh in with a good shout for the best player in 2020 so far but it's only league performances and absolutely irrelevant in the face of the pandemic affecting Ireland and the rest of the world to be honest.

Sport is so small in the scheme of things but you would miss it all the same, you'd always read about the championships long ago completed in the following year for whatever reason, I think that's where we are at unless there is an unforseen and dramatic improvement in the overall global situation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on March 15, 2020, 10:54:19 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 15, 2020, 11:35:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 15, 2020, 10:54:19 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.

Very true Itchy. Compared to the muppets in the Dublin pubs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 15, 2020, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 15, 2020, 10:54:19 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.
Have to agree with you itchy. Our club has been leading the way with help and support for the elderly and vulnerable people in our community at this time.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 16, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 15, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
For the Galway-NY and Roscommon-London matches, I can't see them going ahead at any point this year now, at this stage if we see any Championship this year at all we'll be doing well.

Shane Walsh in with a good shout for the best player in 2020 so far but it's only league performances and absolutely irrelevant in the face of the pandemic affecting Ireland and the rest of the world to be honest.

Sport is so small in the scheme of things but you would miss it all the same, you'd always read about the championships long ago completed in the following year for whatever reason, I think that's where we are at unless there is an unforseen and dramatic improvement in the overall global situation.
https://www.the42.ie/galway-uncertain-new-york-championship-5047442-Mar2020/?

I'd think most would agree the chances of the London, New York championship games going ahead in May is between slim and none. I'd hope supporters that was to travel over will get some refunds on flights and accommodation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on March 16, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 16, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on March 16, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future

It is a good idea though. Croke park is a big site, not going to be used in present crisis, where everyone knows where it is.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Armagh18 on March 16, 2020, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 15, 2020, 10:54:19 PM
Whatever about the response of HQ, the response of local grassroots gaa has been tremendous. Cancelled training before the order, meetings cancelled, lottos cancelled. Offers to the communities vulnerable to help get shopping etc. The grassroots are the glue that holds society together.
Absolutely great to see. Makes you proud to be part of the GAA. One big family at the end of the day.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on March 17, 2020, 12:00:14 AM
Great to see the GAA getting out and leading after being behind for a few weeks.

It's what the organisation is about and I have no doubt the GAA's role will have been huge when this is all over in terms of looking after the vulnerable and assisting the authorities with communication and offering club grounds and property to help.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 17, 2020, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on March 16, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
It is like a state of war .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on March 17, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2020, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on March 16, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
It is like a state of war .
https://twitter.com/JustinMcNu1ty/status/1240008612052963329?s=20
This is unbelievable...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on March 18, 2020, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on March 17, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2020, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on March 16, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/croke-park-to-be-used-as-drive-thru-covid-19-testing-facility-39048327.html

Another indication that there will be no games on for the foreseeable future
It is like a state of war .
https://twitter.com/JustinMcNu1ty/status/1240008612052963329?s=20
This is unbelievable...

I did not know Justin was an MLA.

Out of touch!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 18, 2020, 04:16:05 PM
Cork Co Board making Páirc Uí Chaoimh available to the HSE for a test centre.
Several Counties have postponed all proposed April Championship fixtures en bloc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on March 18, 2020, 04:25:42 PM
New York and Galway, scheduled to take place in Gaelic Park, New York on May 3rd, has been postponed.

The future for this fixture will be considered at a later date and in the context of the anticipated overall re-drawing of the national fixtures calendar for 2020 as necessitated by the ongoing disruption to the GAA games programme.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 18, 2020, 05:05:27 PM
I expect that won't be played till May 2021.
Any Connacht Championship that might get played this year will not have NY in it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 05:09:36 PM
North American Continental Youth Championship, to be held in San Francisco this year, is canceled.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
I wonder if more GAA facilities around the country could be pressed into service, whether for testing or treatment. So many community halls in so many locations, it's a massive network when you think about it. Combined with the likes of the civil defense and armed forces, it might be possible to get enough manpower together to fight this thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 18, 2020, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 18, 2020, 05:05:27 PM
I expect that won't be played till May 2021.
Any Connacht Championship that might get played this year will not have NY in it.

As in the New York Galway game as the opener of the 2021 Championship or as in there will be no Championship this year?

I'm beginning to think with the latter, the window is shortening and I think this virus will only begin to peak in Ireland in April/May time and every precaution has to be taken.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 19, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 19, 2020, 01:19:37 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 19, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Why not? If people do not mingle then the virus stops. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on March 19, 2020, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 19, 2020, 01:19:37 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 19, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Why not? If people do not mingle then the virus stops.

It is as simple as that, nowhere to spread to then it can't spread.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 19, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Yes, afterall China has been basically in lockdown since the end of January.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 19, 2020, 03:30:22 PM
Using that John Hopkins university data, off the 3,249 deaths in the whole of China 3,130 deaths were in Hubei province.

Some of the other provinces which are far larger than a lot of European countries in terms of population are posting 22 deaths and less.

That is some reduction in mortality from when it started in Hubei to when it spread to the other provinces, so they must have been doing something right when they decided that they actually had a problem.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 19, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 19, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Yes, afterall China has been basically in lockdown since the end of January.

Why would they continually report all these cases and deaths and then suddenly say 0 as well.

Even say they are say 20 or 30 cases out in accuracy which granted they may be it is still hugely improved so like others say they really must be doing something right.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 19, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 19, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 18, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
I'd say all sport is done for the year. They're still claiming the Olympics are going ahead but I'll be very surprised if they happen.

Australian GP is off, and I'll be surprised if there's any F1 racing this season at all.

Not sure about the full year but I would expect nothing to be on before August.

A lot will depend on what happens in China over the next few weeks

China has reported no new local infections for the first time today, hopefully that continues.

Mid July at the earliest for the start of the championship I'd reckon with no games out in London, New York this summer as the UK, USA haven't taken this virus as serious as the ROI have.  With no back door and 2nd tier in the championship it can be completed in a 8 week window.

Do you believe that though?

Yes, afterall China has been basically in lockdown since the end of January.

Why would they continually report all these cases and deaths and then suddenly say 0 as well.

Even say they are say 20 or 30 cases out in accuracy which granted they may be it is still hugely improved so like others say they really must be doing something right.

Their last number of reported cases came from overseas travel which is stopped now and that might explain the zero figure. They are doing something right and others ourselves included no matter how stubborn must follow their lead.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 19, 2020, 05:55:33 PM
I see O'Neills in Strabane are temporarily 750 workers.
Sad news everywhere.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 19, 2020, 06:41:04 PM
A lot of cases in ROI today, if you believe  the data 3 times that of whole UK.

Quote from: johnnycool on March 19, 2020, 03:30:22 PM
Using that John Hopkins university data, off the 3,249 deaths in the whole of China 3,130 deaths were in Hubei province.

Some of the other provinces which are far larger than a lot of European countries in terms of population are posting 22 deaths and less.

That is some reduction in mortality from when it started in Hubei to when it spread to the other provinces, so they must have been doing something right when they decided that they actually had a problem.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

If you can treat people then the death rate will be modest and  people in severe  difficulty anyhow. If the health service gets overrun then 5 times as many die, and these might have lived for decades in some cases. That what flattening the curve is all about.

I see Nowlan park now to be a drive in centre. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 20, 2020, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 19, 2020, 03:30:22 PM
Using that John Hopkins university data, off the 3,249 deaths in the whole of China 3,130 deaths were in Hubei province.

Some of the other provinces which are far larger than a lot of European countries in terms of population are posting 22 deaths and less.

That is some reduction in mortality from when it started in Hubei to when it spread to the other provinces, so they must have been doing something right when they decided that they actually had a problem.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Are they classifying deaths correctly though?
They had stats like Italy and suddenly everything stopped.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 20, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.

2. Unfortunately, the west didn't learn the lessons and ignored the problem until it was too late. The west put their economies ahead of people with a tinge of racism and superiority and is now going to pay a hefty price unfortunately

3. Ireland is doing better in my view than most of Europe and the US but we're still not testing nearly enough and we should have had a full lockdown much, much sooner.

4. Spain, Switzerland, UK, France, Germany - stats look really bad when you look at infection rates and testing rates per capita. This is a huge worry for us in Ireland as I think while we're going to be in trouble, these other bigger countries will be much worse.

There are of course many unknowns such as how effective contact tracing and social distancing are from place to place. My read is that in Ireland the authorities are bullish about the success of their contact tracing efforts and hence we haven't gone full lockdown. I really hope they're right and my worry is that while our testing effort thus far has been better than some, it's still not at a level to give you confidence.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 20, 2020, 12:12:42 PM
Quote1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.

Yes, they did. This is largely because they had worked out strategies for SARS and redeployed these.

Quote2. Unfortunately, the west didn't learn the lessons and ignored the problem until it was too late. The west put their economies ahead of people with a tinge of racism and superiority and is now going to pay a hefty price unfortunately

This is only partly true. The virus spread to different places in Europe, making it hard  to pin down.

Quote3. Ireland is doing better in my view than most of Europe and the US but we're still not testing nearly enough and we should have had a full lockdown much, much sooner.

Remember too that places like Singapore have never had a  full lockdown, nor have schools closed there, they rely on testing and comprehensive contact tracing to keep a lid on things. As an island with a similar population, we could do likewise, if the DUP weren't scoring political points.





Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on March 20, 2020, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
We haven't heard anything anyway. They'll probably wait until the next phase of shutdown is announced. Surely that will come in the next few days? Ban at the minute only goes to next Sunday - do you think they'll call it for all of April like the soccer?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 20, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
I'd say they'll close all activity till 1st May at least.
Realistically are we talking 1st July though?

Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Limerick Gaelic Grounds to be used as Test Centres.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on March 20, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.

2. Unfortunately, the west didn't learn the lessons and ignored the problem until it was too late. The west put their economies ahead of people with a tinge of racism and superiority and is now going to pay a hefty price unfortunately

3. Ireland is doing better in my view than most of Europe and the US but we're still not testing nearly enough and we should have had a full lockdown much, much sooner.

4. Spain, Switzerland, UK, France, Germany - stats look really bad when you look at infection rates and testing rates per capita. This is a huge worry for us in Ireland as I think while we're going to be in trouble, these other bigger countries will be much worse.

There are of course many unknowns such as how effective contact tracing and social distancing are from place to place. My read is that in Ireland the authorities are bullish about the success of their contact tracing efforts and hence we haven't gone full lockdown. I really hope they're right and my worry is that while our testing effort thus far has been better than some, it's still not at a level to give you confidence.

I'd agree with this but I think Ireland benefited massively from being a small island on the outer West of Europe.

I think the South reacted much more seriously than the Tory/Unionist cabal up North, but travel should have been locked down on this island over a full month ago from infected areas. We were in a fantastic position to minimise the impact here but the horse had bolted long before the gate was shut.

The next few weeks will really tell us all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on March 20, 2020, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
We haven't heard anything anyway. They'll probably wait until the next phase of shutdown is announced. Surely that will come in the next few days? Ban at the minute only goes to next Sunday - do you think they'll call it for all of April like the soccer?

April is a given, along with May and June at the very least.

We're not into the teeth of this yet, that's still a few weeks away.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 20, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/rugby/irfu-and-provinces-agree-payment-deferral-model-989206.html


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Buckass on March 21, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 20, 2020, 05:07:47 PM
''perhaps also helps that the Taoiseach is a qualified GP whom you'd expect to very quickly pick up the public health consequences of such a pandemic''


Probably made a balls of that quote thingy but that's cheered me up this morning. Leo is a good speaker, presentable who had the sense to re appoint John Concannon to oversee the spin and get the right lines for him 'Not all superheroes wear capes etc', but please...don't give his GP status some super-insight to a pandemic when he was in Washington pressing the flesh the day after his expert group insisted there was no problem with people going to Cheltenham.
Is Fionntamhnach John Concannon?




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 21, 2020, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: Buckass on March 21, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 20, 2020, 05:07:47 PM
''perhaps also helps that the Taoiseach is a qualified GP whom you'd expect to very quickly pick up the public health consequences of such a pandemic''


Probably made a balls of that quote thingy but that's cheered me up this morning. Leo is a good speaker, presentable who had the sense to re appoint John Concannon to oversee the spin and get the right lines for him 'Not all superheroes wear capes etc', but please...don't give his GP status some super-insight to a pandemic when he was in Washington pressing the flesh the day after his expert group insisted there was no problem with people going to Cheltenham.
Is Fionntamhnach John Concannon?

And then they panicked and he had to announce school closures from Washington.

His partner works in the HSE - did you know that Buckass??  ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Downtothewire on March 21, 2020, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/rugby/irfu-and-provinces-agree-payment-deferral-model-989206.html

Tyrone might have to consider doing the same  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on March 22, 2020, 02:08:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on March 20, 2020, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 20, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Back to the GAA.

Has any CB's frozen admin fees for clubs?
We haven't heard anything anyway. They'll probably wait until the next phase of shutdown is announced. Surely that will come in the next few days? Ban at the minute only goes to next Sunday - do you think they'll call it for all of April like the soccer?

April is a given, along with May and June at the very least.

We're not into the teeth of this yet, that's still a few weeks away.

Sometime in August but then the 2nd Wave is supposed to start and whatever versions arrive with wintery weather so since there will be no point in starting something that cannot be finished....
Unlikely to be anything in 2020 games wise.
Nobody will be going out to watch games even if they were somehow to be played.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 22, 2020, 06:41:24 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see Páirc Uí Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2020, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2020, 06:41:24 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see Páirc Uí Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.

Seen Bettystown must be a testing centre at the minute
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 22, 2020, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2020, 06:41:24 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see Páirc Uí Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.
Croker, De Páirc,  Páirc na nGael and Nowlan Park that I've seen mentioned.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clonadmad on March 22, 2020, 07:38:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 22, 2020, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2020, 06:41:24 PM
How many GAA grounds are being used as testing centres? I see Páirc Uí Caoimh has joined the effort.
None in the 6 counties, of course.
Croker, De Páirc,  Páirc na nGael and Nowlan Park that I've seen mentioned.

Thurles and O'Moore Park on standby if needed
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 23, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2020/03/22/exclusive-players-unions-hold-emergency-talks-amid-fears-mental/

Player unions representing the UK's biggest sports will hold emergency talks on Tuesday to discuss the impact the coronavirus pandemic is having on their members amid fears of a mental health crisis among sportsmen and women.

Representatives from the Rugby Players Association, Professional Cricketers Association, Professional Footballers Association and PFA Scotland are planning to meet via conference call with growing concerns over salary cuts, job losses and athlete wellbeing.  Sports are expecting a spike in players seeking mental health support over the coming weeks and months, while the RPA is making arrangements for increased help in the area of financial advice after Premiership players discovered last week that they would be taking reductions in pay until the competition resumes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 23, 2020, 01:03:08 PM
Must be tough being expected to survive on less than €100k per week.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 23, 2020, 03:21:58 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-could-coronavirus-give-the-gaa-a-chance-to-take-stock-and-reset-1.4205192

Back in 1996, with coffers swelled by the Meath-Mayo All-Ireland football final replay and the rise of Wexford hurling, the combined (index-linked) revenue from gate receipts and broadcast fees was in the region of €13 million or roughly a quarter of what was taken in last year, just over €50 million and that doesn't include commercial earnings, which are realistically also tied to fixture opportunity.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 23, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.


Did anyone see the videos floating about with body bags lined up on the street in China? It could be edited shite but something not right with China figures IMO.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 23, 2020, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 23, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
Lots of moving parts to this but in answer to some of the comments above the data is there to suggest:

1. China and neighbouring Asian countries did a brilliant job of locking down this virus.


Did anyone see the videos floating about with body bags lined up on the street in China? It could be edited shite but something not right with China figures IMO.

Do not underestimate how much it could be worth to some countries, for demand to and from China for nearly anything to be reduced greatly long term.

Same reason as you are right to be wary of Chinese figures, the Chinese also need to be seen to be 'back on track'.

There is a lot at stake economy wise for lots of people here when everything 'gets back to normal'. I'd take any kind of videos or pictures or anything like that with a pinch of salt as it would suit a lot of Western Nations for the Chinese economy to never recover over this all.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 23, 2020, 10:43:14 PM
Agreed ..... In summary..... Hard to know what the fcuk to believe these days.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
I'm highly suspicious of China's numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - I'm not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. It's a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
I'm highly suspicious of China's numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - I'm not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. It's a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.

You need to understand the measures taken in the respective countries. The numbers make sense in that context. China failed initially to react and then brought in really tough, draconian measures. Sut everything down. The impact could be seen from outer space in terms of vast reduction in emissions. Built new hospitals. Unreal stuff that can't/won't be replicated in western countries. These measures worked and the outbreak is under control there for now. Italy effectively did nothing until it was too late to avoid major death and disruption. Even now, their lockdown isn't as severe as in China. Spain is closely following the same trajectory, as are several European countries, including the UK. I personally don't believe we're in much better position though we did close schools etc much earlier so may get some benefit from that.

I think a huge % of the population in Ireland are in denial of what's about to happen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tbrick18 on March 24, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
General question with the use of GAA facilities as testing centres in ROI....how do you go about getting a test as a member of the public?
Do you just show up?
Here in the 6, there's currently no testing centres that I'm aware of and policy seems to be that by April we'll be testing 800 a day. I haven't seen anything to say who will be eligible for tests, what happens to those testing positive and if there's any plan to increase the volume of testing.

I see the Swatragh club in Derry have offered their facilities up as a testing centre or field hospital.
Does Croke Park have a policy on this or is this a club being pro-active?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
I'm highly suspicious of China's numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - I'm not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. It's a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.

You need to understand the measures taken in the respective countries. The numbers make sense in that context. China failed initially to react and then brought in really tough, draconian measures. Sut everything down. The impact could be seen from outer space in terms of vast reduction in emissions. Built new hospitals. Unreal stuff that can't/won't be replicated in western countries. These measures worked and the outbreak is under control there for now. Italy effectively did nothing until it was too late to avoid major death and disruption. Even now, their lockdown isn't as severe as in China. Spain is closely following the same trajectory, as are several European countries, including the UK. I personally don't believe we're in much better position though we did close schools etc much earlier so may get some benefit from that.

I think a huge % of the population in Ireland are in denial of what's about to happen.

I comprehend that, and appreciate measures like building hospitals cannot be replicated in the west, but in Wuhan the first cases (of a random viral pneumonia) were discovered in December yet a lockdown wasn't imposed on Wuhan until the 23rd January, after millions had left and travelled to other cities around China (and the world). A reduction in NO2 has been seen in northern Italy also. While I fully comprehend that the west won't be as effective in combating this as China, a 2.5% death rate in Wuhan compared to 10% in Italy (not sure what it is in Spain) just seems fictitious to me.

Ireland is on the same path as Italy in terms of daily increase in cases, if not deaths, from the graphs I've seen on the FT. I agree that most people here don't have a clue what's coming down the path - they wouldn't be queuing like morons for fish and chips in Howth if they did.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 24, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
General question with the use of GAA facilities as testing centres in ROI....how do you go about getting a test as a member of the public?
Do you just show up?


No. You have to be sent by your GP who interviews you by phone.

QuoteHere in the 6, there's currently no testing centres that I'm aware of and policy seems to be that by April we'll be testing 800 a day. I haven't seen anything to say who will be eligible for tests, what happens to those testing positive and if there's any plan to increase the volume of testing.

There is no evidence of any concrete plan to test people in the 6 counties, until they are ill enough to go to hospital.

Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 10:07:06 AM
I comprehend that, and appreciate measures like building hospitals cannot be replicated in the west, but in Wuhan the first cases (of a random viral pneumonia) were discovered in December yet a lockdown wasn't imposed on Wuhan until the 23rd January, after millions had left and travelled to other cities around China (and the world). A reduction in NO2 has been seen in northern Italy also. While I fully comprehend that the west won't be as effective in combating this as China, a 2.5% death rate in Wuhan compared to 10% in Italy (not sure what it is in Spain) just seems fictitious to me.

there is a 0.5% fatality rate in Ireland, do you also regard this as fictitious?

QuoteIreland is on the same path as Italy in terms of daily increase in cases, if not deaths, from the graphs I've seen on the FT. I agree that most people here don't have a clue what's coming down the path - they wouldn't be queuing like morons for fish and chips in Howth if they did.

Ireland is not on the same path as Italy, it is better compared to Germany.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1242226333012373505?s=21 - you're free to look for it yourself, courtesy of the FT. And no, I don't believe the rate here is fictitious, but we're an a much earlier stage than China and are a country who isn't known for massive secrecy and suppression of the truth.

Admittedly not quite Italy, but it's not far away.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
I'm highly suspicious of China's numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - I'm not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. It's a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.

The Chinese biggest flaw was their biggest saving grace. Nobody took any action because they were afraid of the regime, but when the regime realised there was a big issue. They aggressively took to work, hospitals up in days, people battered on streets if they broke the lock down - you couldn't get away with that kind of thing here.

I'm in the boat that I tend to believe the Chinese numbers on current cases, of course you must be aware that they will present it as a triumph to the world their lock down is intended to close in April, sending doctors and nurses overseas etc but of course the question must be asked, in a country so populous and city wise dense....how did so few get infected/die? I would suspect the true tally is much greater than the world knows and something the Italians would never be able to cover up - How many of these citizens were deemed 'illegal' and not on registers since the 1 child policy etc? There certainly must have been a morphing of numbers somewhere.

The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1242226333012373505?s=21 - you're free to look for it yourself, courtesy of the FT. And no, I don't believe the rate here is fictitious, but we're an a much earlier stage than China and are a country who isn't known for massive secrecy and suppression of the truth.

Admittedly not quite Italy, but it's not far away.

It is always good to see data, but this data is not consistent as testing rates vary in the countries concerned. On that chart Germany is worse than the UK, reflecting testing levels, but the UK has 3 times the deaths of Germany which suggests that things are not as good there.

We'll see later this week as the measures start to take effect. The public health people no doubt have useful data on when people first had symptoms, the areas of the country where there appears to be transmission etc, so that data will provide insight that you or I do not have. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
I'm highly suspicious of China's numbers too, with Italy experiencing a mortality rate of around 10% and with no end in sight. However, China is the engine of the world economy and without its strong growth (and demand for raw materials), the global economy would stagnate - I'm not sure which western democracy, with the exception of the clown in the White House and some of his advisors, would actually relish an economically struggling China. It's a brilliant and growing export market for western goods also.

You need to understand the measures taken in the respective countries. The numbers make sense in that context. China failed initially to react and then brought in really tough, draconian measures. Sut everything down. The impact could be seen from outer space in terms of vast reduction in emissions. Built new hospitals. Unreal stuff that can't/won't be replicated in western countries. These measures worked and the outbreak is under control there for now. Italy effectively did nothing until it was too late to avoid major death and disruption. Even now, their lockdown isn't as severe as in China. Spain is closely following the same trajectory, as are several European countries, including the UK. I personally don't believe we're in much better position though we did close schools etc much earlier so may get some benefit from that.

I think a huge % of the population in Ireland are in denial of what's about to happen.

I comprehend that, and appreciate measures like building hospitals cannot be replicated in the west, but in Wuhan the first cases (of a random viral pneumonia) were discovered in December yet a lockdown wasn't imposed on Wuhan until the 23rd January, after millions had left and travelled to other cities around China (and the world). A reduction in NO2 has been seen in northern Italy also. While I fully comprehend that the west won't be as effective in combating this as China, a 2.5% death rate in Wuhan compared to 10% in Italy (not sure what it is in Spain) just seems fictitious to me.

Ireland is on the same path as Italy in terms of daily increase in cases, if not deaths, from the graphs I've seen on the FT. I agree that most people here don't have a clue what's coming down the path - they wouldn't be queuing like morons for fish and chips in Howth if they did.

If everyone can get proper medical treatment to mortality rate would be below 1%. The problem is when ICU's are full and people with serious cases cannot get treated - they all die. So basically China had less time in the situation where their health system couldn't cope. Italy is living through that at the moment and has a way to go before it returns to a situation where all people can be treated. The Italian number will lower over time due to a few other reasons. The number of recorded cases is likely understated due to people not realising they have the virus though I'm not sure it would materially impact the respective numbers.

I understand historically that data coming out of China has to be treated with a health warning but it doesn't look that far fetched to me.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.

Yes I would agree with you on this - now if the Chinese general (peasant) population knows that it's not safe or not, that could be an issue. You would hope that the Chinese will do their part on a large scale with education but who knows what the people are being told there. Unfortunately I've never been to China so all I can do is speculate / throw out open thought.

Not really sure if Bat / Pangolin or whatever it was we are blaming is a middle class food or what, it's my assumption that it is because the Pangolin was the most trafficked animal in the world it had a certain value for the middle classes.

You would hope their people certainly will remember this long into the memory, however SARS / MERS wasn't all that long ago. I wonder if we in the West will fall back into old habit in the months / years to come.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.

Yes I would agree with you on this - now if the Chinese general (peasant) population knows that it's not safe or not, that could be an issue. You would hope that the Chinese will do their part on a large scale with education but who knows what the people are being told there. Unfortunately I've never been to China so all I can do is speculate / throw out open thought.

Not really sure if Bat / Pangolin or whatever it was we are blaming is a middle class food or what, it's my assumption that it is because the Pangolin was the most trafficked animal in the world it had a certain value for the middle classes.

You would hope their people certainly will remember this long into the memory, however SARS / MERS wasn't all that long ago. I wonder if we in the West will fall back into old habit in the months / years to come.

My understanding is the rich and powerful are the demand market for these wild animals, believing myths about the benefits of eating them. Transmission in this case was Bat to Pangolin to Human. Wet markets should never reopen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 24, 2020, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
The biggest problem is, this is going to happen again. The trading of wild animals I believe in China has now been made illegal - before this is was, as you were. But when things go illegal, there is always a blossoming black market. The Chinese will need to be ruthless in this going forward...in a kind of way, again, you wouldn't get away with here with a few fines here and there for the lads.

In the past the population tolerated this wild animal thing, I suspect a lot of people will be less tolerant now and this will facilitate strong action by the authorities.

Yes I would agree with you on this - now if the Chinese general (peasant) population knows that it's not safe or not, that could be an issue. You would hope that the Chinese will do their part on a large scale with education but who knows what the people are being told there. Unfortunately I've never been to China so all I can do is speculate / throw out open thought.

Not really sure if Bat / Pangolin or whatever it was we are blaming is a middle class food or what, it's my assumption that it is because the Pangolin was the most trafficked animal in the world it had a certain value for the middle classes.

You would hope their people certainly will remember this long into the memory, however SARS / MERS wasn't all that long ago. I wonder if we in the West will fall back into old habit in the months / years to come.

My understanding is the rich and powerful are the demand market for these wild animals, believing myths about the benefits of eating them. Transmission in this case was Bat to Pangolin to Human. Wet markets should never reopen.

Completely agree with you, but look at the size of China. How do you stop that? The black market must be insane there despite the obvious detention never seeing light of day again threat.

Not too educated on the Wet Markets - But my assumption would be these are city based only, but the actual storage / trafficking of the animals could be anywhere. Seen a documentary there on youtube on the markets once, animals stacked on animals, all sorts flooding down through the cages to whatever poor creature is at the bottom gets the lot. This was always going to happen, just nobody cared until now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 24, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-to-reveal-league-fate-amid-expected-cancellation-989887.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 25, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/olympic-postponement-triggers-sporting-backlog-like-no-other-1.4211311
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 25, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/storey-says-knockout-all-ireland-might-be-only-viable-plan-for-gaa-1.4210220

"Teams might have to play twice a week, depending on what schedule is there," he said. "That will suit the stronger counties but it might be either that or nothing.

"The GAA has always been a bit too tied to Sunday games anyhow, in my opinion. What's wrong with Wexford and Kilkenny meeting on a Wednesday evening? Or a Monday, Tuesday, Thursday or Friday evening? It's only in people's heads through tradition that it has be on the weekends.

"People will argue that players work but sure club leagues and county challenge games are played on midweek evenings all the time. I think players are professional enough that they could hack it, particularly in the circumstances we're in. Let's be honest, if it's Plan A, B or C, everyone will be only too delighted to accept whatever is going if it means games can be played."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 25, 2020, 01:10:40 PM
i am big fan of friday night games
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 25, 2020, 01:34:20 PM
they could do a 16 team all ireland with a round 2a and 2b so every team gets two games at least and do the same with the  Tailteann Cup but id prefer a 32 open draw knockout gives smaller counties hope or as someone else said they could seed division 1 and 2 teams but they play a division 3 or 4 teams away in 1st round.The provincial councils will complain tho so there no way i see their being a open national tournament.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on March 26, 2020, 01:27:11 PM
All Ireland championship opener London v Roscommon that was set for May 2nd is now postponed. According to HQ A mid June championship start is talked about but too soon to speculate yet.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Watcher on March 26, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
I think this is a great opportunity to have an open draw all Ireland. No provincial championship, no seedings, no home or away, nothing.
First round could be tyrone v dublin and London v Waterford.  Great craic altogether
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bannside on March 26, 2020, 02:26:26 PM
Exactly An Watcher what better year could there be to trial something like that. Plus play to the death on the night,  extra time, if still a draw first team to score!

You know what the biggest obstacle will be.....the provincial boards who would hate to lose their "presigious" competition s and the revenue that generates. Surely away could be found to compensate the provincial boards, some form of revenue share.

Need to get the county stuff over asap so that club scene can start.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 26, 2020, 02:31:33 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 26, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
I think this is a great opportunity to have an open draw all Ireland. No provincial championship, no seedings, no home or away, nothing.
First round could be tyrone v dublin and London v Waterford.  Great craic altogether
There would be no finding your best team in the qualifiers . Best team out every day. It would be more interesting and then if the Dubs got dumped out in a shock second round match...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: themac_23 on March 26, 2020, 02:58:33 PM
The more I think about it the better it sounds, just go for it straight knockout, as someone said every game finished on the day, even if we have to limit crowds to say 500 for early games make all games live on tv and free to air, every sat and Sunday games on back to back hurling/football be a great summers craic to lighten the mood
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 26, 2020, 03:30:40 PM
God Bless ye're innocence.
Anyway London v Roscommon is off - either cancelled or postponed.
I suspect it will be the former with that and the NY/Galway games to take place in 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 26, 2020, 10:18:21 PM
dont see it happening they wont want a kerry v dublin scenario in 1st or 2nd round they willl go provincial knockout system i think thats the best way of getting dublin into the semis without a massive upset in lesinster and kerry should come through munster and say tyrone wins ulster and mayo wins connaght thats tyrone mayo dublin kerry semi finals.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 26, 2020, 10:21:24 PM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 26, 2020, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 26, 2020, 10:21:24 PM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success

If it happens, surely they'll be sell out games - even in the first round, due to lack of action.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Watcher on March 26, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
Imagine the interest from the lesser teams thinking if the draw is kind they could have a long summer for once
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 26, 2020, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 26, 2020, 10:21:24 PM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success

HQ will abandon the championship rather than do an open draw. They can't be straying from their tier 2 agenda

Quote from: An Watcher on March 26, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
Imagine the interest from the lesser teams thinking if the draw is kind they could have a long summer for once

Yes. If you had that scenario, there'd definitely be more support to scrap this tier 2 bollix.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 27, 2020, 12:50:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the sh1te teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Put Rd 6 of the league on AI semi-final Saturday.  28 teams can play.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 27, 2020, 09:12:47 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 26, 2020, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 26, 2020, 10:21:24 PM
Also they be afraid of a open knockout being a success

HQ will abandon the championship rather than do an open draw. They can't be straying from their tier 2 agenda

Quote from: An Watcher on March 26, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
Imagine the interest from the lesser teams thinking if the draw is kind they could have a long summer for once

HQ love money. They would never drop the championship unless it was impossible to run it.
They also love competing against soccer and rugby. 

They could always say the open draw was due to the pandemic.

Yes. If you had that scenario, there'd definitely be more support to scrap this tier 2 bollix.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - that's a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. There's 3 big teams gone before the QF.

Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. I'd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bannside on March 27, 2020, 10:33:48 AM
If this years championship goes ahead at all the only chance of that happening is a format that represents a total blitz.

Let's be optimistic and say that August is a month where county training can resume.

Sat 29th August (8 x first round matches)
Sunday 30th August (8 x first round matches)
After this weekend 16 teams remain, the rest can go back and begin club activity.

Sat 12th Sept (4 x second round games)
Sun 13th Sept (4 x second round games)
Only 8 teams left.

Sat 26th Sept (2 x by semi finals)
Sun 27th Sept (2 x by semi finals)

Sun 11th Oct (final)

A real blitz with in between weekends for hurling.




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 11:08:41 AM
Assuming Inter County gets up and running at all in 2020 the realistic way of doing it would be the 7 Division 1 teams (already relegated Meath excluded) play for Sam.
The rest of us finish our NFL games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Watcher on March 27, 2020, 11:43:04 AM
On a side note, I wonder how many all Irelands kerry would have now if it had of been an open draw, likewise the dubs. Something tells me there'd be a few more ulster winners.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 11:53:27 AM
How so?
If they weren't good enough to win it under the then system how would they suddenly improve if the system was different?
You might check Ulster teams  Semi Final results over the years - some awful batins (no more than some Connacht ones too).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on March 27, 2020, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 11:53:27 AM
How so?
If they weren't good enough to win it under the then system how would they suddenly improve if the system was different?
You might check Ulster teams  Semi Final results over the years - some awful batins (no more than some Connacht ones too).

I remember for a long time the only chance Ulster teams had of making the final was when we were to face Connacht opposition in the semi
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: WT4E on March 27, 2020, 12:10:28 PM
There wont be any football this year
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: befair on March 27, 2020, 01:32:03 PM
V unlikely there will be any GAA games this year. Might be a good time for reflection that GAA sports are a hobby, that shouldn't require a spartan existence, with training regimes, even at club level, that make it v difficult for anyone married with children. But once one team does it, everyone has to do it; it's running to stand still, and takes much of the enjoyment away from it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
youd have to say the likes of dublin tyrone kerry mayo  would not want an open draw either they would not want it to be a success they want as many games as possible
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - that's a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. There's 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. I'd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 27, 2020, 02:08:46 PM
Quote from: befair on March 27, 2020, 01:32:03 PM
V unlikely there will be any GAA games this year. Might be a good time for reflection that GAA sports are a hobby, that shouldn't require a spartan existence, with training regimes, even at club level, that make it v difficult for anyone married with children. But once one team does it, everyone has to do it; it's running to stand still, and takes much of the enjoyment away from it.

You can choose to follow/participate/let go a hobby at any time you wish, same with the GAA. Nobody is forced to play.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
Could they do a world cup style tournament 32 team knockout with mid week games
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
2 games per day
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
would the gaa ever put the hurling final and football final on same weekend one on saturday and one on sunday i would love that a weekend of finals
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - that's a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. There's 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. I'd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and it's boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games we've had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldn't want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on March 27, 2020, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - that's a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. There's 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. I'd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and it's boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games we've had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldn't want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship

Yeah, things like that happening have really seen the FA Cup go from strength to strength.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 27, 2020, 03:17:42 PM
given that corporate gaa is now all about the cash flow, the idea of intercounty games behind closed doors is not likely.

as I see it, with a recommencement in june or even july and trying to keep intercounty and club life alive in 2020.

1--the leagues will be voided.

2- the football championship will revert to the old style knock out...run the provincial series as drawn, then the winners into all Ireland semis....no backdoor..straight knock out...probably no London or New York in 2020.

3-- the hurling my need a ne knockout draw for munster and leinster....and then either let the 2 winners contest an all Ireland final...or allow all Ireland semis with the munster winner v leinster final loser etc.

4--you can finish the all irealand under 20s football,only 3 games left....the hurling equivalent cancelled.

5- most club games at senior level will not commence until late July or August and this will force most counties to revert to straight knock out championships.

6- forget about the club provincial and all Ireland series for 2020.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 27, 2020, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - that's a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. There's 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. I'd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and it's boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games we've had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldn't want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship

Yeah, things like that happening have really seen the FA Cup go from strength to strength.

Granted, the FA Cup ain't the competition it was 20 years ago, but just because Liverpool Arsenal or Man U didn't win the cup that year don't make it any less of a competition. Plus, you always had big shocks over the years, and lower league teams reaching the semis and final.

Would Cavan or Sligo winning Sam, mean the AI championship is a poor competition?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 27, 2020, 06:29:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 27, 2020, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 27, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 27, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 12:15:44 AM
How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - that's a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. There's 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. I'd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and it's boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games we've had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldn't want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship

Yeah, things like that happening have really seen the FA Cup go from strength to strength.

GAA is tbe complete opposite to other sports in that the team who wins the league is the best team.

The All Ireland, up until recently was the GAA's F.A. Cup - just a knock out.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 06:39:46 PM
So Dublin haven't been the best team the last 5 years?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on March 27, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2020, 06:39:46 PM
So Dublin haven't been the best team the last 5 years?

They are and have been and could have won league...if they wanted.

I'm saying other sports' best teams are considering the best team in that sport - the Gaa do it the other way.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2020, 05:01:54 PM
Loving all the old stuff on Facebook due to the virus stopping us from playing/watching/supporting/officiating

The games of the past, photos that represent your GAA life and the memories people shared, great to reflect on past wins/losses feats and achievements !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 28, 2020, 07:04:27 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2020, 07:04:27 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol

Was brilliant, I got he chills down my back, even now thinking about it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on March 29, 2020, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2020, 07:04:27 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol

Was brilliant, I got he chills down my back, even now thinking about it

There are a few seconds of the semi final from an Offaly perspective at the start of this

https://www.tg4.ie/ga/player/seinn/?pid=6112993261001&title=Michael Duignan&series=Laochra Gael&genre=Faisneis&pcode=491080
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2020, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2020, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 28, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2020, 07:04:27 PM
Today in particular with the 89 semi. Favourite game ever and probably always will be lol

Was brilliant, I got he chills down my back, even now thinking about it

There are a few seconds of the semi final from an Offaly perspective at the start of this

https://www.tg4.ie/ga/player/seinn/?pid=6112993261001&title=Michael Duignan&series=Laochra Gael&genre=Faisneis&pcode=491080

Very good, forgot he didn't start final!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on March 31, 2020, 09:52:07 AM
I'm sure Tom Ryan would change it for you if you give him a call ;D
It might well be this year anyway if it happens at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on March 31, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on March 31, 2020, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 31, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2020, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 31, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.

Maybe not, new manager. Unprecedented prior events.

It's set up for a 'stolen' All Ireland.

I can bet you now every single manager in the top 6-8 teams will believe it's on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on March 31, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
I don't know how they would fill croke park again. In september or any time this year would you really want to sit in a relatively confined space with ~80k people or whatever the capacity is?

In fact I think there will be some paranoia around large sporting events for a very long time now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 31, 2020, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2020, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 31, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.

Maybe not, new manager. Unprecedented prior events.

It's set up for a 'stolen' All Ireland.

I can bet you now every single manager in the top 6-8 teams will believe it's on.

Down are the best team for coming from nowhere to win Sam, and beat Kerry along the way.
Title number 6 and top-dogs from Ulster to boot.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on March 31, 2020, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
I don't know how they would fill croke park again. In september or any time this year would you really want to sit in a relatively confined space with ~80k people or whatever the capacity is?

In fact I think there will be some paranoia around large sporting events for a very long time now.

This will be the craic at the ticket booth (now I know that it doesn't catch everyone, but if you thought you were unwell you'd give the ticket to someone else rather than be pulled in).
(https://www.todayonline.com/sites/default/files/styles/new_app_article_detail/public/photos/43_images/image_from_ios_2_1.jpg)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Targetman on March 31, 2020, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 31, 2020, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2020, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 31, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 31, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
are the gaa strict about having the final in august/September  because i wouldnt mind seeing the all Ireland final played at 5pm on a late october or november  saturday evening i think atmosphere be great.

Their stadium, their game, their choice.

Didn't one of the replayed Mayo/Dublin finals a few years ago run into October at that time?

There was a replay on sat 1st October a few years ago. Worked out well as you had Sat night and all day sunday for the annual celebrations!!

The good thing about knockout is that it will cut quicker to the chase of Dublin winning another Football All Ireland. The last few years have been a dragged out drag.

Maybe not, new manager. Unprecedented prior events.

It's set up for a 'stolen' All Ireland.

I can bet you now every single manager in the top 6-8 teams will believe it's on.

Down are the best team for coming from nowhere to win Sam, and beat Kerry along the way.
Title number 6 and top-dogs from Ulster to boot.
Hope you're right, you don't have a fever and a bad cough do ya?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 31, 2020, 08:54:08 PM
I hope they've stopped paying funds to the GPA
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 01, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
I don't know how they would fill croke park again. In september or any time this year would you really want to sit in a relatively confined space with ~80k people or whatever the capacity is?

In fact I think there will be some paranoia around large sporting events for a very long time now.

The GAA will fill Croker for All Ireland Final day this year (should it be approved by the Irish Govt.) no problem. Especially if we have a major shock along the day....Dublin getting bate.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 01, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 01, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.

Might get some hurling in though, as handbags is more common in football
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on April 01, 2020, 04:38:55 PM
Here, has the virus spread to the Aran Islands? Or Clare Island? There's a quare wee pitch on Innisturk I think it is, cut out from the rock.

You could play your knock out All Ireland championship on one of those islands. Quarantine the teams on arrival to make sure nobody is infected, then play the championship over a few weeks.

No crowds, islanders only. A feast of football over a few weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: themac_23 on April 01, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 01, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.

Would doubt it, id say club championships will be run off, maybe to give extra games possibly do group stages instead of straight knock out, again all depends on how soon things start to go back to normal, the only thing being that between end of 'this season' and start of next doesn't really need to be long as most players will be looking to play as much football as possible after this down time so nothing to stop championships running into winter months this year
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on April 02, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on April 01, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 01, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
So, do people think there will be club leagues run this year. Hard to know even when the isolation will end, plus the a second wave is possible as well. So it could be a very small window of possibly for any football this year at all.

Would doubt it, id say club championships will be run off, maybe to give extra games possibly do group stages instead of straight knock out, again all depends on how soon things start to go back to normal, the only thing being that between end of 'this season' and start of next doesn't really need to be long as most players will be looking to play as much football as possible after this down time so nothing to stop championships running into winter months this year
I cant see any club football happening this year. People will be glad to get some of the other aspects of life back to normality first, like work and kids going to school.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on April 02, 2020, 08:41:43 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 02, 2020, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 02, 2020, 08:41:43 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep

These multiple sites will be for locals and will be drive through affairs in general. 
Great if the 6 counties gets organised,  we can drive the virus down everywhere.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 03, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 02, 2020, 08:41:43 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep
could be the first time some lads ever set foot inside a gaa club
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 04, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 04, 2020, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html

Only a few weeks ago you had people complaining about the price of tickets.
If Armagh v Roscommon was on tomorrow, I wouldn't begrudge the €20 to go to it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 04, 2020, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 03, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 02, 2020, 08:41:43 PM
Looks like club grounds are being ear marked for testing sites (in the North anyway).

Wonder will there be any objections from locals of this happening.

Personally think the more testing the better but no doubt some ill informed 'locals will think it is being brought to their doorstep
could be the first time some lads ever set foot inside a gaa club
I suppose a message could be sent out that anybody who comes for the test should be prepared to light a candle at the memorial just inside the front entrance, for the republican martyrs (all GAA members) who fought against the virus of imperialism.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on April 05, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html

f**k them.
The grassroots of the association will not go under irrespective of how long the virus goes on or how much revenue is lost.

If the county game, GPA etc etc feel the pain of this then it will do no harm at all
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on April 05, 2020, 11:51:48 AM
Yeah totally agree and the county game has got around 7/8 games this year between league and preseason so priority has to be getting club football going when we resume. Anything else and we'll once and for all end the shite talk from the top that club is the livelihood of the association.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 05, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-bracing-for-potential-60m-shortfall-991999.html

f**k them.
The grassroots of the association will not go under irrespective of how long the virus goes on or how much revenue is lost.

If the county game, GPA etc etc feel the pain of this then it will do no harm at all

I was listening to Woolly podcast the other day.  I think, iirc, he said that for every €1 the gaa take in, they pay 84cent back to grassroots and counties etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2020, 01:08:26 PM
True.
However Clubs and Counties must have saved around €5m in Manager and other "expenses" at this stage.

I'd suspect whenever sport gets the go ahead there may well be limits to the numbers attending.
Meanwhile the International Rules is off as the AFL season will go on later, if it happens at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2020, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2020, 01:08:26 PM
True.
However Clubs and Counties must have saved around €5m in Manager and other "expenses" at this stage.

I'd suspect whenever sport gets the go ahead there may well be limits to the numbers attending.
Meanwhile the International Rules is off as the AFL season will go on later, if it happens at all.

But how do they save it, if they don't have it? No championship games played it.  League is not even finished.

But it's not bad giving 84cent back to the clubs etc. - can't be vad to that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 05, 2020, 02:27:17 PM
International rules is now cancelled.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on April 06, 2020, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 05, 2020, 02:27:17 PM
International rules is now cancelled.

Every cloud.....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 06, 2020, 11:57:12 AM
Meanwhile in the parallel Universe if East Mayo

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mayos-indoor-dome-fit-to-host-eurovision-992328.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on April 07, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
12:29 The European Parliament's headquarters in Strasbourg, France will be turned into a coronavirus testing center.

The parliament will hold only extremely limited sessions, in Brussels and online, until September.


https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-passes-10000/a-53043555

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 07, 2020, 09:06:29 PM
Quote from: Clinker on April 07, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
12:29 The European Parliament's headquarters in Strasbourg, France will be turned into a coronavirus testing center.

The parliament will hold only extremely limited sessions, in Brussels and online, until September.


https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-passes-10000/a-53043555

All in all, it is a very dramatic way of stopping Dublin win 6 in a row.

The European parliament should forget to go back to Strasbourg.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 10, 2020, 06:56:08 PM
Some developments

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-to-hold-remote-special-congress-to-deal-with-championship-restructure-993467.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
so it looks like to me they want the same format as as last season but with knockout  quarter finals instead of super 8
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 04:38:13 AM
Would anyone be interested in the radical idea of  having a festival tournament type thing and having a tournament played over a month like the world cup have all matches played at croke park or something have two matches a day throw ins at maybe 5pm and 8pm
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 11, 2020, 08:47:17 AM
My da always talked about festivals in the 50s and 60s and how great they were. Those kind of things may work out this year and be much more competitive.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 12:53:19 PM
corrected
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2020, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
so it looks like to me they want the same format as as last season but with knockout  quarter finals instead of super 8

Basically what we had 2001 to 2017. Would be grand if the championship commence in June but that's unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on April 11, 2020, 02:48:59 PM
I'd love 32 teams, open draw, straight knock out. Wrap it up in 5 or 6 weeks. Dont think it will happen, in case it's a resounding success and there are calls for it to happen the following year too.

I'm fed up with the back door and the super 8s.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on April 11, 2020, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
so it looks like to me they want the same format as as last season but with knockout  quarter finals instead of super 8

This is no year for pissing about with the back door.

If indeed the championship can be played, it has to be an open draw straight knockout.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2020, 04:26:56 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 11, 2020, 04:38:13 AM
Would anyone be interested in the radical idea of  having a festival tournament type thing and having a tournament played over a month like the world cup have all matches played at croke park or something have two matches a day throw ins at maybe 5pm and 8pm

No way the GAA will put matches in croke park at 5pm on a tuesday. Cant get a crowd most Sundays!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 11, 2020, 02:48:59 PM
I'd love 32 teams, open draw, straight knock out. Wrap it up in 5 or 6 weeks. Dont think it will happen, in case it's a resounding success and there are calls for it to happen the following year too.

I'm fed up with the back door and the super 8s.
What world your "resounding success" be?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on April 11, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 11, 2020, 02:48:59 PM
I'd love 32 teams, open draw, straight knock out. Wrap it up in 5 or 6 weeks. Dont think it will happen, in case it's a resounding success and there are calls for it to happen the following year too.

I'm fed up with the back door and the super 8s.
What world your "resounding success" be?

Good question. Lol. I would hope there would be more off a buzz at the games, going to the games. The do or die scenario might lead to more excitement.

The provincial competitions have run out of steam, the back door hasn't caught the imagination of the public, even some players dont hang around for it.

I had hoped the super 8s would have livened the competition up a bit  but bar a few games it has been a let down.

Obviously Dublins recent dominance has been a big factor, but there just isn't the buzz about games this last 5 years. I just think if there was an open draw every team would be 2 games away from a q/f, with a favourable draw. At least there would be a bit of optimism to start with even if it was short lived.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 05:51:52 PM
The Qualifiers are do or die and as you say they haven't caught the imagination of the public.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trileacman on April 11, 2020, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 05:51:52 PM
The Qualifiers are do or die and as you say they haven't caught the imagination of the public.

Do or die for 2 teams that've already died once.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 11, 2020, 11:03:07 PM
They are do or die full stop.
Loser is finished for the year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 12, 2020, 06:46:38 AM
I think the  gaa should maybe give a deadline of sometime in november to complete and commit to open 32 team knockout


hurling could go 16 team knockout maybe  or make hurling 32 teams aswell that could bring some hurling attention to smaller counties
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 12, 2020, 06:50:47 AM
tho tyrone v kilkenny at hurling would be absolute bloodbath but thats luck of draw but tyrone hurlers would have opportunity to say they played kilkenny
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
Straight forward questions been answered would give everyone a clearer picture.

Do we need a vaccine in order to have mass gatherings of more than 500( inter county football ) If the answer is yes , then life is over as we knew it for probably about three years , very sad and all that but at least everyone could get used of it .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on April 13, 2020, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
Straight forward questions been answered would give everyone a clearer picture.

Do we need a vaccine in order to have mass gatherings of more than 500( inter county football ) If the answer is yes , then life is over as we knew it for probably about three years , very sad and all that but at least everyone could get used of it .

We need a vaccine. What we are at now is buying time and curtailing mass death and suffering.  Usually these types of things take 18 months? But necessity is the mother of invention and they are hoping for a fast track 9 month solution. For the moment we are only kicking the can down the road.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 13, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
Yeah I think this too. Not three years though. Predictions are August 2021. Vaccine produced and mass produced two different timelines I suspect.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 13, 2020, 01:21:41 PM
What gives me a pain is County team managers ( Graham, Bonber, Kingston...) calling on the GAA to give them certainty as to when the Inter County Championships will be held.
Cop on lads...they may be all powerful but ye might have noticed there's an oul virus about that they have no control over.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 01:27:16 PM
No you are wrong , if we need a vaccine and then the distribution of vaccine worldwide then there will definitely be no championship this year or next year . Every single report is saying 12-18 months minimum for vaccine and you'd hazard a guess another few months minimum to manufacture and distribute. If what you guys are saying is true ie mass gatherings depending on this , then not only is county football snookered what about professional sport across the globe ?

I have pictures today of highway/road workers from across the uk all gathered together working away . What I'm saying is there is a lot of contradiction in what's been said and done . Reports of some soccer teams returning to collective training in parts of Europe too ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on April 13, 2020, 03:17:31 PM
Number 1 thing that's needed is freely available testing with a rapid result turnaround. Number 2 is certainty about "immunity" for those who have had it. Number 3 is an antibody test widely available.

Widely available vaccine would be next summer at best.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 13, 2020, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 01:27:16 PM
I have pictures today of highway/road workers from across the uk all gathered together working away . What I'm saying is there is a lot of contradiction in what's been said and done . Reports of some soccer teams returning to collective training in parts of Europe too ?

Outdoor construction is fairly safe and arguably the government should repair the roads when traffic is so light. Many sports involve deliberately trying to get close to people and this is a different proposition.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 13, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 13, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
Yeah I think this too. Not three years though. Predictions are August 2021. Vaccine produced and mass produced two different timelines I suspect.
Production of billions of vials of a yet undeveloped vaccine without disrupting supplies of already important vaccines is a massive undertaking which I can't see being ready even by next summer. Wherever it is developed you would think ir will have to be manufactured at scale in facilities globally. I don't see where they get the capacity from without dropping existing lines.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 13, 2020, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 01:27:16 PM
I have pictures today of highway/road workers from across the uk all gathered together working away . What I'm saying is there is a lot of contradiction in what's been said and done . Reports of some soccer teams returning to collective training in parts of Europe too ?

Outdoor construction is fairly safe and arguably the government should repair the roads when traffic is so light. Many sports involve deliberately trying to get close to people and this is a different proposition.

So social distancing is not necessary? These workmen were all bunched together . Also I work in construction so obviously have experience, how would you propose using shared power tools , shovels , barrow etc etc , wipe them down every time they are used ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 13, 2020, 04:00:46 PM
It is indeed.
Dr Henry one of the HSE chiefs says no point in beating down "the curve" and then filling beaches, sports stadiums etc .
Might also not allow any contact team sports at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

Exactly what I'm trying to say and most likely no league nor championship in 2021 either with a possibility of 2022 a no go too , if it's a vaccine that's required . A vaccine has not been past test stage yet , I'm reading  some reports that it takes up to three years . No report has mentioned a more optimistic time frame than 12-18 months and then you have to manufacture and distribute world wide . If all this is true how could a championship be possible for next summer ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

Exactly what I’m trying to say and most likely no league nor championship in 2021 either with a possibility of 2022 a no go too , if it’s a vaccine that’s required . A vaccine has not been past test stage yet , I’m reading  some reports that it takes up to three years . No report has mentioned a more optimistic time frame than 12-18 months and then you have to manufacture and distribute world wide . If all this is true how could a championship be possible for next summer ?

One would hope by next year there is a better control community spread. Acting much faster on testing, contact tracing, and isolation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on April 13, 2020, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

Exactly what I'm trying to say and most likely no league nor championship in 2021 either with a possibility of 2022 a no go too , if it's a vaccine that's required . A vaccine has not been past test stage yet , I'm reading  some reports that it takes up to three years . No report has mentioned a more optimistic time frame than 12-18 months and then you have to manufacture and distribute world wide . If all this is true how could a championship be possible for next summer ?

One would hope by next year there is a better control community spread. Acting much faster on testing, contact tracing, and isolation.

Even still, what would happen if the games start back and a county player (or manager) contracts the virus? Would the competition just be suspended while that panel goes into 2 weeks quarantine?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 13, 2020, 06:10:08 PM
I think that's as good as confirmation there will be no championship this year .

https://extra.ie/2020/04/12/news/irish-news/summer-is-cancelled-no-pubs-or-gaa-as-restrictions-set-to-drag-on-for-months?fbclid=IwAR1gKus3s3wo3-RpXLiaXXFcvuTXubiIb-JDvUCVFdUyoV5b0mVPX8we5Xs
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on April 13, 2020, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
Simon Harris says social distancing will continue in Ireland until a vaccine available. Unless the GAA Championship is played with near empty stadiums it's looking more and more likely that we won't have a 2020 championship.

It's proper order.

Look, we'd all love to have it this year but there are more important things and I think any sanitised version of the game won't be worth. Pause and reset for 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 13, 2020, 07:17:52 PM
There is also the small matter of the players would also need to social distance so there would be no game to play!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on April 14, 2020, 09:41:11 AM
How late could we go to get some club action in?
Like there have been county finals galore in October and the crowds would not be as much of an issue.
I don't expect it, but would love to see some action.

Even as a club fundrasier comp around Christmas to blast off the cobwebs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 14, 2020, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 14, 2020, 09:41:11 AM
How late could we go to get some club action in?
Like there have been county finals galore in October and the crowds would not be as much of an issue.
I don't expect it, but would love to see some action.

Even as a club fundrasier comp around Christmas to blast off the cobwebs.

This is where I don't get it , not saying you're wrong , I just don't get what people are saying , there's always contradiction.

Do we need a vaccine or not ? You can't say on one hand we need a vaccine until then social distancing will have to be adhered to but thirty footballers can go out and exchange blows , sweat , blood etc . That can't work.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on April 14, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 13, 2020, 07:17:52 PM
There is also the small matter of the players would also need to social distance so there would be no game to play!!

Tyrone could never manage this, they would have to be pulling out of ya some way.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 14, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Doubtful we'll see any team contact sports happening this year at all.
Golf at basic social level will probably get the go ahead and maybe horse racing with no spectators.
After that maybe top level soccer on TV also without spectators...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on April 14, 2020, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Doubtful we'll see any team contact sports happening this year at all.
Golf at basic social level will probably get the go ahead and maybe horse racing with no spectators.
After that maybe top level soccer on TV also without spectators...
it travels by breath mainly not blood sp even when some one Blows hard on Soccer players not only are they in danger of serious Physical  harm but  from
the Virus as well
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 14, 2020, 05:08:57 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-brady-offering-a-friendly-voice-on-the-other-end-of-the-line-1.4227995
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 14, 2020, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 14, 2020, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Doubtful we'll see any team contact sports happening this year at all.
Golf at basic social level will probably get the go ahead and maybe horse racing with no spectators.
After that maybe top level soccer on TV also without spectators...
it travels by breath mainly not blood sp even when some one Blows hard on Soccer players not only are they in danger of serious Physical  harm but  from
the Virus as well

And the way things have gone this past couple of years - gaelic players could be in difficulty also.

Hurlers are exempt of course!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
Something has to give lads. A vaccine may take 18 months. Bars schools clubs parks building sites are going to have to open sometimes. Older people just need to watch themselves and isolate as much as possible until a vaccine is ready. But to stop the whole country for 18 months at least will have a devastating affect on everyone. Club football should be told to go ahead when they have it under control. Keep up with the social distance stuff as best we can. Something has to give
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oneclubonelife on April 14, 2020, 06:12:17 PM
I know we all would love to get back out on to the pitch but can we really expect players/members to go into changing rooms/ gyms to get the season underway. I personally cannot see how season can be played this year unless all are tested on a regular basis. The chance of one death is one to many
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 14, 2020, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
Something has to give lads. A vaccine may take 18 months. Bars schools clubs parks building sites are going to have to open sometimes. Older people just need to watch themselves and isolate as much as possible until a vaccine is ready. But to stop the whole country for 18 months at least will have a devastating affect on everyone. Club football should be told to go ahead when they have it under control. Keep up with the social distance stuff as best we can. Something has to give

I can understand the need to get the economy moving again, but club football strikes me as being far down the list of things we need to get started again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 14, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
Hard to see anything happening now. So someone is a carrier and 25 other fellas in a small changing room, all go out and play, one fella in the other team now infected, repeat a few days later at training then at the next game, is it worth it? Not a chance, no gambling people's lives
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: pbat on April 14, 2020, 06:23:44 PM
Championship postponed indefinitely, nothing before July for certain.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 14, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 14, 2020, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
Something has to give lads. A vaccine may take 18 months. Bars schools clubs parks building sites are going to have to open sometimes. Older people just need to watch themselves and isolate as much as possible until a vaccine is ready. But to stop the whole country for 18 months at least will have a devastating affect on everyone. Club football should be told to go ahead when they have it under control. Keep up with the social distance stuff as best we can. Something has to give

I can understand the need to get the economy moving again, but club football strikes me as being far down the list of things we need to get started again.

I agree 100% but if or when the virus recedes, club competitions will be easy enough to get started compared to the intercounty scene.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on April 14, 2020, 07:09:26 PM
I don't see any county games this year, even club games could be a stretch.  As a suggestion, park the remainder of 2020 until we get this under control, get a vaccine out, and in March 2021 complete the 2020 leagues .... so Armagh can get a rattle at Roscommon for a place in Div 1 :-)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on April 15, 2020, 02:57:08 AM
Faceless old men in darkened rooms dithering over whether young men can be sent out into danger for the entertainment of others.

Why the dilatory official statement?

What have you become?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:11:41 AM
Serious question
What's the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And don't say social distance in a shop. I've shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: StephenC on April 15, 2020, 09:16:01 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:11:41 AM
Serious question
What's the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And don't say social distance in a shop. I've shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

So what's your point? It's poor in the Tesco you go to therefore it's grand to go ahead with underage football? Thought you said this was a serious question?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rich Ricci on April 15, 2020, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:11:41 AM
Serious question
What's the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And don't say social distance in a shop. I've shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

Necessity. Shops are doing all they can to enforce social distancing but there's only so much you can do. People need food but they should be shopping as infrequently as possible. 50 young ones don't need to be running around a pitch just now
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:11:41 AM
Serious question
What's the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And don't say social distance in a shop. I've shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

Serious answer. The people in Tesco are walking about to help feed their families. The fifty people at an underage club match are engaging in their hobby.

Imagine the outcry if even one person died from the GAA or any other sporting organisation rushing back and spreading the virus again. The GAA is a conservative but also a responsible organisation and I don't think they will take the risk. It's not what people want to hear and that is why I think they are not saying it at the moment (no GAA matches for a long time) , they don't want to kill all hope.   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
Walking in the park and buying alcohol is essential?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
Walking in the park and buying alcohol is essential?

If you need help in understanding the difference between keeping supermarkets open and restarting GAA underage fixtures then there is hardly much point in continuing any debate. Thankfully I would trust the GAA hierarchy to be more responsible than that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
Imagine the outcry if even one person died from the GAA or any other sporting organisation rushing back and spreading the virus again. The GAA is a conservative but also a responsible organisation and I don't think they will take the risk. It's not what people want to hear and that is why I think they are not saying it at the moment (no GAA matches for a long time) , they don't want to kill all hope.   

People often die because of involvement in GAA and other sports, chiefly in road accidents. There is no logic in saying that sports should be banned in order to prevent a single death. Nobody as far as I know wants GAA to resume right now but there will come a time when decisions will have to be made. Next winter will be very difficult if there is neither sport nor recreation in the meantime and there will be lives lost on foot of that too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 15, 2020, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 15, 2020, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 09:11:41 AM
Serious question
What's the difference in 3/400 walking about Tesco in a closed environment to say 50 at an underage match on a football pitch?
And don't say social distance in a shop. I've shopped in Tesco 4 times and as much as people would like to think everyone is on top of each other. And the poor shelf stackers are coming into contact with thousands a day

Necessity. Shops are doing all they can to enforce social distancing but there's only so much you can do. People need food but they should be shopping as infrequently as possible. 50 young ones don't need to be running around a pitch just now
Exactly.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: five points on April 15, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
Imagine the outcry if even one person died from the GAA or any other sporting organisation rushing back and spreading the virus again. The GAA is a conservative but also a responsible organisation and I don't think they will take the risk. It's not what people want to hear and that is why I think they are not saying it at the moment (no GAA matches for a long time) , they don't want to kill all hope.   

People often die because of involvement in GAA and other sports, chiefly in road accidents. There is no logic in saying that sports should be banned in order to prevent a single death. Nobody as far as I know wants GAA to resume right now but there will come a time when decisions will have to be made. Next winter will be very difficult if there is neither sport nor recreation in the meantime and there will be lives lost on foot of that too.

I would be broadly in agreement with that, however by the time this virus begins to recede and the numbers fall, the decision will have to be made whether to resume GAA on a small scale or not. It's an unenviable decision because whilst it is important for peoples mental well being, nobody will want to bear responsibility for another outbreak of the virus in their own community. Already GAA clubs have been instructed to close their gates by insurance companies wary of any potential claims, if I'm in charge of a GAA underage team I would be reluctant to organise or participate in group training sessions whilst a vaccine is not available. Its a crap situation but unfortunately I can't see an easy solution.

As far as the county game is concerned I really don't see it resuming until a vaccination is available unless they play games behind closed doors and I don't see how that would work for an organisation like the GAA.     
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 11:31:01 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
As far as the county game is concerned I really don't see it resuming until a vaccination is available unless they play games behind closed doors and I don't see how that would work for an organisation like the GAA.     

Waiting for a safe tested and effective vaccine to become universally available will be like waiting for Godot. Will the GAA survive as we know it if it ends up being mothballed for 2 or 3 years? I have my doubts.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 11:42:55 AM
So basically all pubs cafes leisure centres should all be closed until a vaccine is found? 2 years at least?
Will any places survive that long.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 15, 2020, 11:48:43 AM
Reports saying a team from Italy and Oxford may have a vaccine ready for mass production by September. Fingers crossed it passes the tests and can be produced in the millions worldwide.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: five points on April 15, 2020, 11:31:01 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
As far as the county game is concerned I really don't see it resuming until a vaccination is available unless they play games behind closed doors and I don't see how that would work for an organisation like the GAA.     

Waiting for a safe tested and effective vaccine to become universally available will be like waiting for Godot. Will the GAA survive as we know it if it ends up being mothballed for 2 or 3 years? I have my doubts.

The GAA will survive this and will eventually come out of this enhanced for the way in which they dealt with the crisis. A lot of great community work is taking place due to the organised nature of the GAA at local levels. Also I don't believe it will take 2/3 years to produce a vaccine but it may not happen in 2020.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 11:42:55 AM
So basically all pubs cafes leisure centres should all be closed until a vaccine is found? 2 years at least?
Will any places survive that long.

No.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 15, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: five points on April 15, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 11:42:55 AM
So basically all pubs cafes leisure centres should all be closed until a vaccine is found? 2 years at least?
Will any places survive that long.

No.

In real terms, this won't happen lads. It cannot be allowed to happen. If the restrictions are being (gradually) lifted in Wuhan and Italy.....safe to say, Ireland (which looks to have escaped the worst of europe by virtue of island status and relatively effective lockdown) will not be long until things begin to return to what we know is normal.

That's not sticking the head in the sand, but it's also not thinking this is a 2/3 year thing. You have to be optimistic. We do not face the same issues as other countries as we only have arguably two "cities" on the whole island.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2020, 12:17:35 PM
A vaccine will not be ready until 2022. Needs to be right to get the go ahead and it will not be ready by September although yes I have heard that too.
Schools also will not be back until a vaccine is here.
If we stop all the aftermath of this will be a lot worse than the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 15, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
This news is grim. I hope they're wrong. If they're not, we're all f**ked.

https://gript.ie/harvard-scientists-prepare-to-be-in-some-form-of-lockdown-until-2022/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on April 15, 2020, 12:23:17 PM
No chance we're doing this for another 2 years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 15, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
Not a hope of keeping this up for another two months never mind two years . It's not possible .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2020, 01:55:37 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1249034317067628550

David Brady

@D9BMayo

Had such a lovely conversation today with GAA Tom who was out hearing Heifers..He's self isolating ,originally from Swinford now living in Wicklow..If you have a Mayo GAA mad mother ,father or heifer DM me info & I will call them for the chat over the next 3 weeks #GoodToTalkGAA

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 15, 2020, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 15, 2020, 01:55:37 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1249034317067628550

David Brady

@D9BMayo

Had such a lovely conversation today with GAA Tom who was out hearing Heifers..He's self isolating ,originally from Swinford now living in Wicklow..If you have a Mayo GAA mad mother ,father or heifer DM me info & I will call them for the chat over the next 3 weeks #GoodToTalkGAA

Fair play to him.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 16, 2020, 09:54:48 AM
Id love to see an open draw championship i think it be great for the country but i think we then get too many moaners provincial councils will moan then if some team like Tyrone or Galway gets knockout first round they be like oh we only got one game and the gaa are too scared  of  the chance of Dublin v Kerry first round.If Dublin played Kerry in the first or 2nd round in Kerry could you imagine the hyped and buzz.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 16, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
dublin v kerry in kerry. Now that would be something.

Tyrone v Dublin in Omagh.

(Basically any "contender" getting Dublin in their own back yard would be great for the game IMO.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tiempo on April 16, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 16, 2020, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: tiempo on April 16, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.

Not an open draw though - that's a fixed draw.

Put all 32 teams in 'hat' and draw them out.  First team out gets home venue.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on April 16, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 16, 2020, 12:17:11 PM
Will any team sports happen while Social distancing is in force??

In the unlikely event of any Inter County Championship happening you can take it the Provincials will be played. What type of AI Championship will follow will depend on the time of year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on April 16, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on April 16, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.
what is the logic of seeding Div1 teams?with less training than normal done it could even our the field a bit and some real schocks could be in store esp if the Div1 teams cannibalized each other in the early rounds .
cpu;d be the best champion ship in ages .
or if time were to run really tight .
have the Sam Maguire played off in a Div 1 knock out tournament with double headers all in croke park could be played off in a 3 weeks ,  play the hurling in the new Pairc í chaoimh
each Division have its own Competition Div1 and 4 played as a double header and 2 and 3 played together
pmouth watering stuff look from now
eg
week 1
Dublin V Meath
Donegal v Mayo
tyrone v kerry
Galway v monaghan

week 2
Dublin v Mayo
kerry V Galway

WEEK 3
mAYO  v Galway fINAL

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 16, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
 :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 16, 2020, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 16, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on April 16, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.
what is the logic of seeding Div1 teams?with less training than normal done it could even our the field a bit and some real schocks could be in store esp if the Div1 teams cannibalized each other in the early rounds .
cpu;d be the best champion ship in ages .
or if time were to run really tight .
have the Sam Maguire played off in a Div 1 knock out tournament with double headers all in croke park could be played off in a 3 weeks ,  play the hurling in the new Pairc í chaoimh
each Division have its own Competition Div1 and 4 played as a double header and 2 and 3 played together
pmouth watering stuff look from now
eg
week 1
Dublin V Meath
Donegal v Mayo
tyrone v kerry
Galway v monaghan

week 2
Dublin v Mayo
kerry V Galway

WEEK 3
mAYO  v Galway fINAL


Be grand for Mayo to play in a division 1 championship tournament when it looked like they were join Meath in division 2.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on April 16, 2020, 07:51:50 PM
Quote from: tiempo on April 16, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
Open draw with the caveat that D1 teams are seeded, so kept apart in equal measure on opposite sides of the draw, but they have to play their first game away, all other games and rounds thereafter at neutral venue.

32 teams, all games played to a result on the day (except for final, replay if necessary), no back door, 5 games to win it, could be played off in 7 weeks, then on to the club scene rattled off in similar fashion across the country.

In my opinion it's very unlikely we will see any football this year but if we do, it will be club football as it's likely anything with the attendances you would get at an inter county championship game will not be allowed till next year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ballinaman on April 18, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 16, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 18, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 18, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 16, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .

I agree.

Best thing for GAA - club and county to do is say no games/action at all this year.  Start afresh in 2021.

That way is the only way to have certainty about it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on April 18, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 18, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 16, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .

Yeah, the intercounty season is not viable without crowds and that and I don't think you can play a season when the threat still looms as you said as when on person picks it up it could conceivably infect a whole squad and potentially an opposition team.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Games should resume behind closed doors - Derry boss Gallagher - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/52325394

Tally says, "The priority first though has got to be people being safe."

Paddy Tally agrees that the games can only return when it is right from a public health perspective

So when will it be safe? July, August? Just takes one player to have it and pass it. Then what happens when one player shows symptoms and they have all been in a dressing room together? Do the entire squad isolate? Any risk no games, it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on April 18, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
So the whole island will have to stick to social distancing/restrictions but sports team and players will be allowed to crack on. Not sure this can happen as it would promote a mixed message and many would see it as a signal sure why cant we all just get on with it! Hope I'm wrong but i just see too many pitfalls. 1 player contracts and then an outbreak develops and one person gets seriously ill. Golf/tennis/snooker will be sports that may be a lot easier to get going but contact games a lot more difficult.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on April 18, 2020, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 18, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 16, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
I find it hard that counties will want to play in anything unless they have ample time to train and prepare which wouldnt make it viable this year
Absolutely , you're talking at least 4-6 weeks of collective training for it to be even an option ...especially if games are played off quickly , players won't have the capacity to play and recover.

As mentioned earlier , social distancing is not viable in a dressing room...all it takes is for one player, management , medic etc to test positive and whole group have to isolate for 14 days....you can't have that and hope to play games on a regular basis.

Better is GAA stopped with the kite flying and forget about games for the foreseeable .

I agree.

Best thing for GAA - club and county to do is say no games/action at all this year.  Start afresh in 2021.

That way is the only way to have certainty about it.

Yeah I agree with both of you.

No point crowds being banned from games but players are put in danger. Doesn't make sense.

The AI championships won't be played this year. Let's forget about it and aim to go again for the McKenna/NFL in January. At this stage, that's a more realistic target.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: pbat on April 18, 2020, 11:44:42 AM
They should move all age levels up a year in 2021 so lads get the opportunity to play there last year of minor etc.  I would if possible try and get the Mc Crory cup final played as that's a once in a lifetime for the two teams. I am not sure if the schools finals has been played in other provinces.

Scrap the league finals and if the opportunity is there in Nov/Dec play the last 2 rounds of league games off so 2021 starts with correct leagues.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 19, 2020, 02:12:53 PM
The govt won't allow mass gatherings during the summer

Why not run the 2020 football championship as sudden death for divisions 3 and 4 next spring?

Then repeat once every decade.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 19, 2020, 02:23:47 PM
You're well named Seafóidín  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 19, 2020, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 18, 2020, 11:44:42 AM
They should move all age levels up a year in 2021 so lads get the opportunity to play there last year of minor etc.  I would if possible try and get the Mc Crory cup final played as that's a once in a lifetime for the two teams. I am not sure if the schools finals has been played in other provinces.

Scrap the league finals and if the opportunity is there in Nov/Dec play the last 2 rounds of league games off so 2021 starts with correct leagues.

Back to u18 and U21s you mean ;D that would be great as I am not a fan of these new age groups.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on April 19, 2020, 03:23:51 PM
Why do you assume 4-5 weeks of prep training will be necessary for county teams? There's absolutely nothing normal about this situation, so having another full pre season period is ludicrous. It's not as if they will have put on 4 stone and not able to move. A couple of weeks working on the basics and a few tactics do rightly. If it ever happens. Same for club.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 19, 2020, 04:28:17 PM
It could be like thirty plus years ago when teams didn't train as much and hadn't as much time to prepare tactics. Could be like the seventies and eighties again lol.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on April 19, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you think any team is going to stick to this?

A defender 2m away from a forward.

Sounds good but unrealistic.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2020, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

And as you can also probably appreciate that as most clubs in Ireland pay a man or two to coach, and this money never shows up anywhere in club accounts, that it's genuinely impossible to trust any club to abide by any rules.

Fuckwits train on Christmas Day to "get an advantage" ffs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 19, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you think any team is going to stick to this?

A defender 2m away from a forward.

Sounds good but unrealistic.

Training drill routines are wide and various and do not have to involve defender v forward. No man to man duels, just like is being done in other countries and totally compliant with covid guidelines.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 19, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
And will these 12 use the dressing rooms or change under a bush?
Anyway while the GAA's Insurance is suspended that wont be happening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Tatler Jack on April 20, 2020, 03:05:19 PM
QuoteDo you think any team is going to stick to this?

A defender 2m away from a forward.

Sounds good but unrealistic.

Don't think Roscommon defenders would have any problem with this!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 20, 2020, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
And will these 12 use the dressing rooms or change under a bush?
Anyway while the GAA's Insurance is suspended that wont be happening.
Do you think that it cant be organised, that GAA players are so stupid and ignorent that they cannot follow the basic rational guidelines of a coach in exceptional circumstances, in  exceptional times?  That details like dressing room and shower procedures  cannot be organised? Training will have to resume at some stage and just how do you think it is going to happen, players flock to GAA clubs all at once and it's all okay?
Is it not  more desirable that the opening of GAA sports begins in controlled steps, that players learn how to train and be compliant at the same time, learn by good habit and by being responsible.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on April 20, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you envisage drills using the ball? If one player has Coronavirus there's a good chance he'll pass it on to everyone else just by them all touching the same ball.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on April 20, 2020, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 20, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you envisage drills using the ball? If one player has Coronavirus there's a good chance he'll pass it on to everyone else just by them all touching the same ball.
How does that happen?  that 1 in a million chance a ball get "infected"  and it happens that a player has an irresistable impulse to lick that football?
No I don't envisage that to happen, it is beyond my imagination.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on April 21, 2020, 07:34:15 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 20, 2020, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 20, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
I can appreciate the need for ground closures but I don't see why controlled training sessions, drills, shooting practice,  cannot be done with smaller groups,
6 players in each half of the field with one coach for each group directing affairs and all complying with the 2m distancing.

Do you envisage drills using the ball? If one player has Coronavirus there's a good chance he'll pass it on to everyone else just by them all touching the same ball.
How does that happen?  that 1 in a million chance a ball get "infected"  and it happens that a player has an irresistable impulse to lick that football?
No I don't envisage that to happen, it is beyond my imagination.

The virus can transfer and live on surfaces, that's why we wash our hands often. The virus could easily transfer to the ball, just the same as if someone was out shopping and transfers the virus onto surfaces in the shop.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 21, 2020, 11:30:39 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-to-seek-clarification-of-health-minister-simon-harris-views-on-mass-gatherings-39143974.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 21, 2020, 12:01:02 PM
Was listening to an interview where they mentioned maybe having some form of social distancing in stands, odd they don't seem to be worried about what happens on the pitch? Is there to be no social distancing there?

https://youtu.be/traiDANVlag

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2020, 12:01:02 PM
Was listening to an interview where they mentioned maybe having some form of social distancing in stands, odd they don't seem to be worried about what happens on the pitch? Is there to be no social distancing there?

https://youtu.be/traiDANVlag
The "up his shirt" call from the sideline will be banned
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 21, 2020, 11:03:26 PM
Would anyone like to see an autumn championship as a one off just for this year  games under lights on a saturday night under lights might be good for games. All ireland final 5pm saturday kick off.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 22, 2020, 12:22:09 AM
No and theres no kick off either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on April 22, 2020, 01:30:45 PM
So  no provincial  club championships this  year so maybe they should double the provincial club championships next season so any team that wins a county championship this year still gets to compete for the provincial and all ireland titles so that would be an 18  team ulster club championship or if same team  wins both they are the sole representive in the county..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 22, 2020, 02:24:13 PM
This might be mad but if I was Tom Ryan now I'd be having county boards provisionally plan county football and hurling championships in August/September, and the possibility of staging knockout intercounty championship in both codes in October and November. If the latter is a non-runner, have counties run shortened club leagues in late autumn into early winter. I'd forget about finishing the national leagues and I'd drop the provincial and All Ireland club championships this year,
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: vallankumous on April 22, 2020, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 22, 2020, 12:22:09 AM
No and theres no kick off either.

Ye can still have the row kick off
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on April 22, 2020, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: five points on April 22, 2020, 02:24:13 PM
This might be mad but if I was Tom Ryan now I'd be having county boards provisionally plan county football and hurling championships in August/September, and the possibility of staging knockout intercounty championship in both codes in October and November. If the latter is a non-runner, have counties run shortened club leagues in late autumn into early winter. I'd forget about finishing the national leagues and I'd drop the provincial and All Ireland club championships this year,

The only thing Tom Ryan should be doing now is reminding members that as and when the government(s) permit team sport again, and insurers have given the resultant all clear, that teams can then then return to training.

It won't take more than a few days at that point to either sort out a full or truncated schedule, or to dismiss the entire season. Simply divide the numbers of weeks left in the year by the number of teams willing to compete, and you get the start point. Everything after that is fine-tuning.

Any planning before the government announcements is  a waste of time.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 22, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
With no Provincial and All Ireland championship likely this year I'm starting to wonder how many of players in their 30s and late 20s will be seen in their county colours again? A year or longer without inter-county football is sure to have a big change in management also.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 22, 2020, 05:12:48 PM
Antrim had pulled some of their best players out of retirement :(

I do wonder about Cluxton. Maybe boys like Moran from Kerry and the likes of Cavanagh from Tyrone could see an earlier end too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 23, 2020, 02:05:05 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-meet-on-friday-amid-dire-financial-threat-of-losing-championship-summer-1.4230886

The GAA meets by remote special congress on Friday against a backdrop of huge financial uncertainty for the association. Intensifying concerns over whether a championship can take place given doubts about the lifting of social restrictions mean that virtually all of the revenues for 2020 are in doubt.

Director general Tom Ryan estimated the potential cost of losing the championship as in the region of €60 million, which is nearly the entire revenue of €73 million for last year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 23, 2020, 02:20:19 PM
That was last Friday ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 26, 2020, 12:27:16 PM
Asked whether there was any chance of people being able to play sport outside this summer, Mr Raab said this would be "very difficult because of the level and scale of interaction".

But he added: "I think the professional sport may be different because of the scale of testing that they would be able to introduce.

Take what you want out of this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on April 26, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
scale of testing they are able to do?  So are premier league clubs able to produce their own tests/labs etc or is the government gonna prioritise professional sport ?. Does that mean that if i get a test done then i can get on with my business?. I've said it before it will send a wrong message to a lot of people particularly those not interested in sport if they turn on there telly and see social guidance being broken just so sport can carry on. Oh but they got tests done, yeah but I feel great so ill just crack on. I just cant see how contact sports and the government guidance can marry up.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on April 26, 2020, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on April 26, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
scale of testing they are able to do?  So are premier league clubs able to produce their own tests/labs etc or is the government gonna prioritise professional sport ?. Does that mean that if i get a test done then i can get on with my business?. I've said it before it will send a wrong message to a lot of people particularly those not interested in sport if they turn on there telly and see social guidance being broken just so sport can carry on. Oh but they got tests done, yeah but I feel great so ill just crack on. I just cant see how contact sports and the government guidance can marry up.

There will be a huge amount of scenario planning done before any relaxations are permitted. Maintaining the discipline of the majority is key. Football on free to air tv might help especially end of season. If soccer can afford the tests (and it would have to regular testing) and the game was able to make every possible adjustment the residual risk might me worth taking. I'm saying might. None of us have the data. Governments might want professional sport to take this risk. Professional sport might not want to take the risk. What is in it for them if there is no gate receipts, they don't get any new TV money from the free to air stuff, they have already bagged the pay tv money and the sponsorship revenues?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on April 27, 2020, 12:30:28 PM

John Horan admitted both the club and inter-county championships could now run into next year,

"We're open to that if that's a possibility," he said.

"We'd just adjust the 2021 season. I think there's a hunger and an appetite out there among both players and spectators to see the games being played. I think people would accept that if we were to make such a decision that it would be to the benefit of everyone involved."

Two weeks ago the GAA said that the championships were "highly unlikely" to begin before the month of July, but Horan said the prospect of a further delay is increasing.

"We're going to act totally responsibly. Social distancing of two metres is a high priority at the moment, I can't see contact sport coming on board in the short term.

"We're an amateur sport. I know there's a lot of speculation that professional sports like rugby and soccer may come back here in Ireland and overseas, but that's probably in the sense that they've cocooned their players.

"Our amateur athletes, they go back to their families, they go back to their work place. We can't put any of those people, or those people they come in contact with, at risk just for the sake of playing games. We won't be making any rushed decision on this.

"If and when we do return, the club scene will be our priority because 98% of our activity happens at club level. As we're looking at it at the moment, our return initially will be back to club activity before we engage in the inter-county playing."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Mourne Red on April 27, 2020, 02:08:28 PM
We talking a couple of months, possibly in the summer before club activity starts up again? Just asking because I haven't been doing the runs at the moment so need would need to get caught up before training starts again  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.

My point is they cannot lift social distancing for a long long time possibly three years or more , perhaps life will never be the same again . It's way more serious than most of us think I'm guessing now .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.

My point is they cannot lift social distancing for a long long time possibly three years or more , perhaps life will never be the same again . It's way more serious than most of us think I'm guessing now .

I agree 100% and my single word reply to you was not in jest. We are much nearer the edge of a precipice than we think. If the hysteria doesn't abate soon, then literally anything is possible.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: omaghjoe on April 27, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
Quote from: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: five points on April 27, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 27, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
Will there be social distancing till they have a vaccine or a cure ?

If yes


What happens if they never discover either ?

Liquidator.

My point is they cannot lift social distancing for a long long time possibly three years or more , perhaps life will never be the same again . It's way more serious than most of us think I'm guessing now .

I agree 100% and my single word reply to you was not in jest. We are much nearer the edge of a precipice than we think. If the hysteria doesn't abate soon, then literally anything is possible.

IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 27, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 27, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community

If we persist indefinitely with social distancing, it will take years to achieve herd immunity. And in the meantime a new strain or some other disease could come along.

What happens a club or county board that defaults on its bank repayments for 2 or 3 years? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 28, 2020, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: five points on April 27, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 27, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community

If we persist indefinitely with social distancing, it will take years to achieve herd immunity. And in the meantime a new strain or some other disease could come along.

What happens a club or county board that defaults on its bank repayments for 2 or 3 years? Asking for a friend.
A vaccine might be developed before your scenario becomes real
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2020, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: five points on April 27, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 27, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
IF they never discover either we will have to rely on herd immunity, so the epidemic will have to run its "natural" (albeit with a much slower infection rate due to the mitigation) course. Once 60%+ (could be more depending on who you listen to) of the populace have been infected the virus can no longer spread in the community

If we persist indefinitely with social distancing, it will take years to achieve herd immunity. And in the meantime a new strain or some other disease could come along.

What happens a club or county board that defaults on its bank repayments for 2 or 3 years? Asking for a friend.
A vaccine might be developed before your scenario becomes real

But this is the point of the discussion what if there is never a vaccine which is likely imo listening to the change in tone of various scientists the last 72 hrs , the change in tone has been very evident , a lot less confident than they were in the weeks previous.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
We'll all be rooned says Larryin
Before the year is out.
Doooooom and glooooom.
I see Horan talking about having the 2020 and 2021 Champiinships next year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
We'll all be rooned says Larryin
Before the year is out.
Doooooom and glooooom.
I see Horan talking about having the 2020 and 2021 Champiinships next year.

I'm just trying to work out is it possible to get back to the way things were next year in the absence of a vaccine or cure . 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 28, 2020, 03:17:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
I see Horan talking about having the 2020 and 2021 Champiinships next year.
Before all this they didn't even have enough time to play the McKenna Cup and the Championship in a single year, let alone two separate Championships.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 03:49:47 PM
Might never be another game of Gaelic football played for years . Remember larryin told ye first .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 28, 2020, 04:03:59 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking the same risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

I agree with him.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 28, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 05:19:18 PM
I'm still baffled why the hard questions aren't asked , if a journalist just asked a couple of yes/no questions it would stop all the speculation.

Do you need a vaccine or cure to end social distancing rule ? Yes or no
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
Yes.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
Yes.

So there's a possibility we might not see our amateur sport for a long time to come . Strange times .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 28, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on April 30, 2020, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 05:19:18 PM
I'm still baffled why the hard questions aren't asked , if a journalist just asked a couple of yes/no questions it would stop all the speculation.

Do you need a vaccine or cure to end social distancing rule ? Yes or no

The answer to that question is yes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on April 30, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 28, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

Gaa is only Amatuer. Professional Leagues like the Dutch and French have cancelled their season, with more likely to follow like Seria A.

I saw a guideline for how they plan to play Bundesliga behind closeds doors, and it wouldn't be possible in GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on April 30, 2020, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 28, 2020, 05:19:18 PM
I'm still baffled why the hard questions aren't asked , if a journalist just asked a couple of yes/no questions it would stop all the speculation.

Do you need a vaccine or cure to end social distancing rule ? Yes or no

The answer to that question is yes.

The 1957/58 pandemic was contained by the release of a vaccine in mid to late 1957 but the virus circulated nonetheless for another 11 years and generated another less serious pandemic in 1968.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%9358_influenza_pandemic
https://www.britannica.com/event/Asian-flu-of-1957

It would be lunacy to persist with social distancing for 11 years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 28, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

I am not sure in this context it is that different. Thousands of players and hundreds of thousands of spectators for an entire year. Yes they are from one country but that won't matter if social distancing rules are applied.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on April 30, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Would many people even go to matches now anyway and expose themselves to the risk?
We know a lot more about the virus and it isn't pleasant.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2020, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 28, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

I am not sure in this context it is that different. Thousands of players and hundreds of thousands of spectators for an entire year. Yes they are from one country but that won't matter if social distancing rules are applied.

Yes but the Olympics brings all of these people from all parts of the world, all differently affected by the virus, in to one concentrated place, in the main.

Agree social distancing makes anything very hard, but the amount of people descending on the Olympics coming from all parts into one location in my opinion makes it different.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on April 30, 2020, 02:26:18 PM
Look, the key difference between the Olympics and GAA is that the former engages/affects/inbound travels/accommodates/coordinates tens of thousands of athletes from dozens of otherwise unrelated sporting organisations.

Comparing the Olympics  to the GAA is like comparing the GAA to a charity 5-a-side bank holiday tournament on one pitch.


This doesn't mean that Gaelic Games won't be cancelled en masse for 2020 (and/or 2021). But the small and very manageable number of stakeholders and decision makers does mean the GAA can actually change their direction in a heartbeat. The Olympics cannot.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 03:02:29 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Zulu on April 30, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 03:02:29 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.

Yes it does. You could be bringing the virus in from countries far less successful at containing it and/or bringing it back into countries that had it well contained after the Olympics. The Olympics carries a risk of spreading the virus worldwide again, the championship does not.

If the championship is not possible in some capacity, limit crowd size, not allow over 65's (or some age restriction) or people with underlining conditions (that would be self-regulated), use only certain grounds, like Thurles, Clones, Croke Park etc. where people could only sit in designated seats etc. by 2021 then what can we allow back? How are schools and universities any less risky? What about businesses? Governments can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands of people to not work indefinitely.

I think we'll be back playing sport before the end of this year just not with the same structure as previously.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on April 30, 2020, 04:10:05 PM
What about players who have underlining conditions like asthma or diabetes? Players like Jack McCaffrey work in medical so how could he go from that to playing GAA.? Does he put himself in a hotel for 2 weeks to isolate?
What about players who might live with parents who are are elderly

Far more risks in a Amatuer Sport
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on April 30, 2020, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 30, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 03:02:29 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.

Yes it does. You could be bringing the virus in from countries far less successful at containing it and/or bringing it back into countries that had it well contained after the Olympics. The Olympics carries a risk of spreading the virus worldwide again, the championship does not.

If the championship is not possible in some capacity, limit crowd size, not allow over 65's (or some age restriction) or people with underlining conditions (that would be self-regulated), use only certain grounds, like Thurles, Clones, Croke Park etc. where people could only sit in designated seats etc. by 2021 then what can we allow back? How are schools and universities any less risky? What about businesses? Governments can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands of people to not work indefinitely.

I think we'll be back playing sport before the end of this year just not with the same structure as previously.
So it's OK to socially distance supporters but  not the players?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
Yeah that is a thing that stands out to me. I don't know how they're getting away with it in any sport in any country to be honest.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on April 30, 2020, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
Yeah that is a thing that stands out to me. I don't know how they're getting away with it in any sport in any country to be honest.

Some individual sports, e.g. javelin throwing, perhaps golf, or things like horse racing might be possible. But not team contact sports.
However, in New Zealand they'll eliminate the virus and the All Blacks will be even better after an additional years training.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on April 30, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
Beginning to hurt now :(

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-announce-more-wage-cuts-as-it-reveals-inter-county-games-programme-increasingly-unlikely-in-coming-months-39170855.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Zulu on April 30, 2020, 07:13:21 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 30, 2020, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 30, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 03:02:29 PM
I understand the differences. They're both f**ked is my point. For the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if you are coming from half a mile up the road or 10,000 miles across the ocean.

Yes it does. You could be bringing the virus in from countries far less successful at containing it and/or bringing it back into countries that had it well contained after the Olympics. The Olympics carries a risk of spreading the virus worldwide again, the championship does not.

If the championship is not possible in some capacity, limit crowd size, not allow over 65's (or some age restriction) or people with underlining conditions (that would be self-regulated), use only certain grounds, like Thurles, Clones, Croke Park etc. where people could only sit in designated seats etc. by 2021 then what can we allow back? How are schools and universities any less risky? What about businesses? Governments can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands of people to not work indefinitely.

I think we'll be back playing sport before the end of this year just not with the same structure as previously.
So it's OK to socially distance supporters but  not the players?

The point I'm making though is if schools and universities are back and not completely online, if a number of businesses are back open like construction, shops, smaller coffee shops and restaurants are open by September/October how would a modified championship be a significantly greater risk of spreading the virus? If the above isn't happening by September/October how do people survive anyway? I just think at some point society will have to balance the risk of the virus with the risk of keeping society totally shut down.

Sport may not be economically essential but it is essential to a functioning society.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on April 30, 2020, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 30, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 28, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Pete McGrath basically saying write the year off and work towards getting everything possible in place for next year. . . if the Olympics are doing it on the scale they have then why should a vastly smaller organisation be taking a bigger risk?

I'd love football and hurling to be back but there's a fair chance that the infection will spread again if we do. It's tough but probably the best option!

The Olympics today are saying that next year might not be possible either and that they would just have to cancel.

The Olympics involves 1000s of Athletes and 100,000s spectators travelling from all over the world.

The GAA is confined largely within one country. Different animal.

Gaa is only Amatuer. Professional Leagues like the Dutch and French have cancelled their season, with more likely to follow like Seria A.

I saw a guideline for how they plan to play Bundesliga behind closeds doors, and it wouldn't be possible in GAA.

I was reading about the premier league's plans to return. They reckon to test all players/staff involved twice a week until the season is finished would cost £2 million. I hadn't thought about the cost of testing but that immediately makes it unviable in the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 01, 2020, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on April 30, 2020, 07:13:21 PM
The point I'm making though is if schools and universities are back and not completely online, if a number of businesses are back open like construction, shops, smaller coffee shops and restaurants are open by September/October how would a modified championship be a significantly greater risk of spreading the virus? If the above isn't happening by September/October how do people survive anyway? I just think at some point society will have to balance the risk of the virus with the risk of keeping society totally shut down.

Sport may not be economically essential but it is essential to a functioning society.

Agree 100%. If we don't adapt as a society to the virus, it will destroy us anyway as all the cocooning and social distancing will inevitably lower our natural defences.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . It's an amateur sport , you can't have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

It's over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 01, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . It's an amateur sport , you can't have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

It's over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

we can have some free taking competitions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . It's an amateur sport , you can't have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

It's over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Government have said GAA can return from July 20th... I'm presuming for Clubs.

Will be interesting to see if the GAA go with that as well although I'd imagine they've been consulted!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 01, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 01, 2020, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 01, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing

This might be a stupid question but how can you follow the limit on social distancing in training or games?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2020, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 01, 2020, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 01, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing

This might be a stupid question but how can you follow the limit on social distancing in training or games?

Also what about transport to games for underage etc??

Lots to still work out!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 01, 2020, 08:42:36 PM
The key thing here though is the game and the players. It doesn't work if you have social distancing.

All other logistics questions are peripheral. You can't have everyone in the world social distancing except sports players on a field or wherever they are playing!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 01, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 01, 2020, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 01, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing

This might be a stupid question but how can you follow the limit on social distancing in training or games?
It'll put an end to blanket defending anyway.
Will the outfield pitch have 28 squares with only 1 player allowed in each?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 01, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . It's an amateur sport , you can't have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

It's over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 10:24:07 PM
I'm losing my mind over this , I wish someone would answer , how can you social distance and play a game of football ffs
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 01, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . It's an amateur sport , you can't have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

It's over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.

But my point has been the same all along, if social distancing is a rule , how can you play Gaelic football .



"From 20 July, the government says GAA and soccer teams will be allowed resume activities, but only where limitations are placed on the numbers of spectators and where social distancing can be maintained"

This is a contradiction surely

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 01, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
Agree L89, said it a few times. But heres one.

so say it's allowed in the 26 but not in the 6, so what does Ulster do? Do the GAA just play in jurisdiction?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 10:37:41 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Downtothewire on May 01, 2020, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 10:37:41 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..

It's a wonder he knew what the GAA was!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 11:32:48 PM
Quote from: Downtothewire on May 01, 2020, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 10:37:41 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..

It's a wonder he knew what the GAA was!!

He thinks or was told the GAA is a partial contact sport.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 11:32:48 PM
Quote from: Downtothewire on May 01, 2020, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2020, 10:37:41 PM
Leo Varadkar said tonight there is a 'possibility' of an All-Ireland championship played behind closed doors this year, saying this would be a matter for the GAA. Hmm..

It's a wonder he knew what the GAA was!!

He thinks or was told the GAA is a partial contact sport.
How could any Dublin FG politician tell the GAA there would be no AIFs. He'd be crucified   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 02, 2020, 07:44:02 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 01, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . It's an amateur sport , you can't have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

It's over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.

But my point has been the same all along, if social distancing is a rule , how can you play Gaelic football .



"From 20 July, the government says GAA and soccer teams will be allowed resume activities, but only where limitations are placed on the numbers of spectators and where social distancing can be maintained"

This is a contradiction surely

I would be in full agreement here. So everyone in society social distances except when you are on a pitch? Where is a) the sense or b) the fairness in this.(to the players)

Are they meant to self isolate after?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 08:34:28 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2020, 07:44:02 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 01, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unless there is a vaccine or a cure there will never be a return to GAA . It's an amateur sport , you can't have social distancing applied to society and then let all hell loose on a Sunday for thousands of players who have to return to society after the game , some of these players are teachers ffs. 

It's over for the foreseeable , lock up the pitches , put away the o neills.

Your first line is simply not true. As has been outlined this evening.

I also stand by my other point that comparing the Olympics to the GAA is not the same.

But my point has been the same all along, if social distancing is a rule , how can you play Gaelic football .



"From 20 July, the government says GAA and soccer teams will be allowed resume activities, but only where limitations are placed on the numbers of spectators and where social distancing can be maintained"

This is a contradiction surely

I would be in full agreement here. So everyone in society social distances except when you are on a pitch? Where is a) the sense or b) the fairness in this.(to the players)

Are they meant to self isolate after?

It's not black and white. It will be impossible to social distance in certain scenarios, you look at the way we've lived our lives up until now.

We are in the grips of the pandemic, there will be peaks and valleys with it. At the minute the measures are in place to stop hospitals being overwhelmed by it, when the virus is suppressed to certain degrees, restrictions will gradually be lifted and probably brought back in again if it starts to spread again. Science is having a nightmare with this, they still don't really know a lot about it with regards immunity, vaccines, successful treatments, anitbodies etc. so its all speculation.

We don't know a lot about it but the measures are not there to prevent people getting sick or dying, that's inevitable and it will happen - it's to contain its spread so that hospitals can cope with the level of infections. We all saw the graphs months back about how this virus could nearly have been at an end in the next few months if nothing was done but that would have led to huge losses of life and the health service being ran into the ground.

I'd imagine the club season will go ahead at some point this season barring a second wave. There will have to be some sort of return to normality, spectator sports is a different thing as having the likes of 50k in confined spaces is a no go until you really topple this virus but as far as people going back and playing team sports, it's going to happen - you will see it across Europe in the coming months. Apart from association football though, it's hard to see how other pro sports will survive financially without spectators present.

Can the likes of a tennis slam be viable behind closed doors? I really don't think so. Pro rugby is hugely reliant on spectators as it's a niche sport with little global appeal and does not have the huge financial revenue association football gets globally from broadcasting rights.

But amateur team sports and contact sports will return in some guise this year I'd say as long as the virus is being managed. The people are going to demand some of their liberties as long as the virus is not overwhelming them.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 02, 2020, 08:45:36 AM
I don't doubt sport will come back but it is not consistent application of standards for a player to social distance in all of his life then drop out of it for the duration of a match on the pitch and then go back to it.

Yes anything being done is about containment I agree it just seems a bit inconsistent that is all. Not necessarily about the Gaa but sports in general.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 02, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
One of the things they wish to avoid is people giving the virus to randomers. If team x play team y and someone proves to have the virus then it is 14 days in isolation for all concerned. If you have pubs etc then you don't know who you met, this is where the apps come in
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 08:57:50 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2020, 08:45:36 AM
I don't doubt sport will come back but it is not consistent application of standards for a player to social distance in all of his life then drop out of it for the duration of a match on the pitch and then go back to it.

Yes anything being done is about containment I agree it just seems a bit inconsistent that is all. Not necessarily about the Gaa but sports in general.

But certain things are going to be exempted with regards to people's liberties and wellbeing. They will be done when legislators and medics feel the risk is acceptable and if things go bad again, they'll be restricted again. Living as we are now is merely a stop gap situation where they fear the consequences of the virus. The next few weeks and months will be crucial and there will be a close eye kept on the European countries easing back on the restrictions.

How viable are businesses like cinemas, restaurants, pubs, gyms etc with social distancing in place? The virus is there and is not going to disappear without a vaccine, it's all about managing and controlling its spread and some avenues are going to be eased even if there are some contraventions in best standards so long as risk is minimised.

The days of 50k packed stadiums and arenas for live events ,crowded pubs and restaurants etc won't return until the virus has been dealt with in such a way that hospitals can cope with the numbers.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2020, 09:09:55 AM
If you are back at work after being off for over 6 weeks so far, and more to come, how is it fair for someone to then catch it and be off work again, be sick and lose much needed earnings? Madness
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 02, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
It's worth pointing out that in the UK, and hence in Arlene's 6 counties work can still happen even we it is not possible to socially distance.  They suggest that mitigation measures are needed, such as working back to back or wearing PPE which I accept can't be done on a pitch. But just want to state that social distancing is not a definite requirement, even today, in the UK.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 02, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Can it work legally?

Let's play out a scenario, Dublin v Meath behind closed doors , live TV game . Match is full of scuffles , mentors , subs etc involved in a big ding dong .

The whole country sees it as we've been deprived of sport for months .  tommo the hill16 regular has a load of his mates round , Garda are called later that night to tommos house cause of noise complaints. Garda arrive and say lads , ye are breaking the law here for a start there is about thirty of you in a house , social distancing is impossible in this situation, I will have to arrest you unless ye  go home .

Tommo says you'll have to arrest all the Dublin and Meath players too then . No social distancing there today and I have it recorded for ye as video eveidence if you need it .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2020, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 02, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Can it work legally?

Let's play out a scenario, Dublin v Meath behind closed doors , live TV game . Match is full of scuffles , mentors , subs etc involved in a big ding dong .

The whole country sees it as we've been deprived of sport for months .  tommo the hill16 regular has a load of his mates round , Garda are called later that night to tommos house cause of noise complaints. Garda arrive and say lads , ye are breaking the law here for a start there is about thirty of you in a house , social distancing is impossible in this situation, I will have to arrest you unless ye  go home .

Tommo says you'll have to arrest all the Dublin and Meath players too then . No social distancing there today and I have it recorded for ye as video eveidence if you need it .

Meath wouldn't get close to Dublin the judge would say
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 02, 2020, 03:46:02 PM
No real official clarification from the GAA yet but I suppose it's a target.

From my own point of view as an underage coach there's every chance football resumes at the end of July but parents won't let 10 lads back because they don't believe it's safe yet so where does that leave teams?

A lot of work to do before this is sorted!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 02, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
Under normal circumstances the 2020 GAA football championship would be commencing in Ruislip right now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 02, 2020, 04:27:23 PM
Wed be about 8 points to 2 up at this stage ;D without playing particularly well.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: macdanger2 on May 02, 2020, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 01, 2020, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2020, 10:24:07 PM
I'm losing my mind over this , I wish someone would answer , how can you social distance and play a game of football ffs
Have you ever seen Antrim's backs?

;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on May 03, 2020, 07:57:37 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 01, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
Agree L89, said it a few times. But heres one.

so say it's allowed in the 26 but not in the 6, so what does Ulster do? Do the GAA just play in jurisdiction?

This is a good point. Nobody is going to set the UK as an example to follow but it's been on a different course that RoI since it's initial delay. The numbers are still way to high in UK including NI. Whatever relaxations are announced in UK/NI need to reflect this. Subsequent decisions  around the acceleration, deferral or reversal of relaxation phases have to be on that basis. It's going to be exceptionally difficult to organise inter county GAA given these real and potential differences.

Club activity might be slightly different where NI/RoI differences could be accommodated. Same would apply to underage.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 03, 2020, 02:40:18 PM
How many players in total play Gaelic games in the whole country ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
500,000?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 04, 2020, 06:07:55 AM
Should they cancel the championship now and let clubs take centre stage in the autumn,Seems like gaa are insistent of not changing format to a knock out that can be done in 5 or 6 weeks seems like they are scared of an open draw knockout.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 07:40:49 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 04, 2020, 06:07:55 AM
Should they cancel the championship now and let clubs take centre stage in the autumn,Seems like gaa are insistent of not changing format to a knock out that can be done in 5 or 6 weeks seems like they are scared of an open draw knockout.

What if straight knockout is a success and public opinion goes in that direction??

Losing all that revenue from qualifiers and Super 8s wouldn't sit well with the suits!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 07:43:24 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/october-now-looks-earliest-start-time-for-championship-39178145.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 04, 2020, 09:31:14 AM
I was wondering when we were going to see the detail of the proposed plan (following the news from govt last week).

From reading the guidance, even if we don't get any setbacks as we move through the relaxation phases, I still wasn't really any the wiser when club teams could expect to be back doing "normal" training.  And presumably games couldn't start until approx 4 weeks after clubs begin training again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 04, 2020, 10:47:47 AM
How will a game work with social distancing?
Will coming closer than 2m be a yellow, black or red card offence?
Will players have to wear masks or visors?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on May 04, 2020, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 04, 2020, 10:47:47 AM
How will a game work with social distancing?
Will coming closer than 2m be a yellow, black or red card offence?
Will players have to wear masks or visors?

Something like that. Anybody receiving the ball from a hand pass will have 5 seconds to wipe the ball and players going down needing attention will be dispatched by a Garda marksman. Local militias will undertake this role in the north.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 04, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
"The return of team sports will not be recommended by the National Public Health Emergency Team before a vaccine for the coronavirus or anti-viral medicine is discovered."

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cillian-de-gascun-team-sports-are-going-to-be-in-a-very-difficult-position-1.4243847?mode=amp

There is so much contradiction in reports day to day .

Someone said there were 500k gaa players , now I'll ask again how can you say it's ok to park social distancing for these guys and girls for a few hours every week but anyone else will be arrested ?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 04, 2020, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 04, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
"The return of team sports will not be recommended by the National Public Health Emergency Team before a vaccine for the coronavirus or anti-viral medicine is discovered."

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cillian-de-gascun-team-sports-are-going-to-be-in-a-very-difficult-position-1.4243847?mode=amp

There is so much contradiction in reports day to day .

Someone said there were 500k gaa players , now I'll ask again how can you say it's ok to park social distancing for these guys and girls for a few hours every week but anyone else will be arrested ?

The virus can leave people with damaged organs. Even if someone survives they could die of the flu next Christmas.  It isn't worth it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on May 04, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: joemamas on May 04, 2020, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Unfortunately, an accurate and very realistic comment.
I also have pretty much given up on it, have also stopped reading the shite articles that are being produced by a host of former footballers on various media outlets, it is apparently all about the clicks and advertising revenue associated with same. IMO I truly wish the same media outlets would just say lads, no more articles or polls for the time being, we will reassess where we stand in August.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on May 05, 2020, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Well said. Couldn't have put it better myself. The sooner we knock 2020 on the head the better.....pure fantasyland to think contact team sports could be viable this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: five points on May 05, 2020, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
how can you compare them to now, so are saying we do nothing, no social distancing, bring everyone back to work, risk lives?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: five points on May 05, 2020, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
how can you compare them to now, so are saying we do nothing, no social distancing, bring everyone back to work, risk lives?

You're saying we should ignore the lessons of the last global pandemic while dealing with this one? Wow.

If you're waiting for a vaccine that eliminates all risk, you'll be waiting forever.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 03:31:17 PM
What would you suggest we do square ball if a vaccine is never found?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: five points on May 05, 2020, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: five points on May 05, 2020, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I think most people were ready to forget about this season until Leo came out with his road map. Gave people hope, may have been false hope, I do believe that we can't play without a vaccine, way too risky.

If that's the case, we might never play again, at least this decade. The 1957/58 Asian flu pandemic went away after a vaccine was circulated only to mutate and return eleven years later in 1968 to kill another million people worldwide. Normal life did not grind to a halt either time.
how can you compare them to now, so are saying we do nothing, no social distancing, bring everyone back to work, risk lives?

You're saying we should ignore the lessons of the last global pandemic while dealing with this one? Wow.

If you're waiting for a vaccine that eliminates all risk, you'll be waiting forever.

Where did I say we should ignore the lessons of the past? I certainly don't know enough to compare the different strains of the virus, how virulent they were, I don't know what they did and diddnt do then. Science has moved on, I am sure that others have learned, was one of the lessons we were locked down and thousand and thousands of lives were saved?
So what should we have done?

Smurfy123.
If no vaccine is found then it will have to be risk based and to do with the R number and be up to individuals to say If they want to play or not. But at this point in time a vaccine is the way forward. I do believe that one will be found.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 04:09:09 PM
But you have no idea in the slightest if a Vaccine may be found or not?
Nobody knows
Why not look at the r number now and also ask the players if they want to play?
Saying no play without a vaccine is lazy work
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 04:34:31 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 03:53:37 PM

Where did I say we should ignore the lessons of the past?
Where you said "how can you compare them to now"

Quote
So what should we have done?

We're not discussing what should have been done, but what should be done now.

Quote
If no vaccine is found then it will have to be risk based and to do with the R number and be up to individuals to say If they want to play or not. But at this point in time a vaccine is the way forward. I do believe that one will be found.
You're forgetting that the October 1957 vaccine only worked for 11 years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 04:09:09 PM
But you have no idea in the slightest if a Vaccine may be found or not?
Nobody knows
Why not look at the r number now and also ask the players if they want to play?
Saying no play without a vaccine is lazy work
I do indeed believe a vaccine will be found. The R number isn't low enought at the minute, It's sitting around 0.6-0.7, each easement of the lockdown could cause this to increase so we have to wait until each phase is reached to consider if it low enough. it's not lazy work, I looked at different facts, it's my opinion and that's what I believe. Whether or not people agree with it so be it. So what's your opinion on it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
But you said you don't think we can play without a vaccine? So what if a vaccine is never got for this virus? Now you do say you believe we will get a vaccine but we can't be sure so what do you suggest that we do if no vaccine is found?
I suggest we move on with things but with extra measures in place that we had not got before.

Handwashing zones at all pitches
Temperatures taking before entering the pitches
Come changed and ready to play(all levels, no ideal but has to be done)

Either something like that or like you say no more sport until a vaccine is found which could be 5-10-15 years or never
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 04:53:43 PM
Fivepoints, rather that all that quote crap. What should we do? Simple enought question
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 05:15:41 PM
Do we have breaks for hand washing? People wash after every tackle, carry of the ball? Hard one to work? Do asymptomatic have a temperature? I don't know. I still believe we will get a vaccine. All this will be irrelevant of the health people say it can't happen
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 05, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 04:53:43 PM
Fivepoints, rather that all that quote crap. What should we do? Simple enought question

1. Wait for the crisis phase of Covid-19 to pass.
2. Then play games with appropriate safeguards such as the ones Smurfy listed.
3. Be prepared to abandon all plans if a second wave of the virus appears.
4. Repeat the steps 1-3 until it's finally over.

Not ideal but a hell of a lot better than the alternative of waiting for something that might never come or might never be effective.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
Could push a vaccine back.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 06:35:27 PM
Patrick Valance throwing the British government under the bus
More testing should have happened earlier but for one reason or another it didn't
That's the start of it
Under the bus
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 05, 2020, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Many of these are presently illegal or impossible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rudi on May 05, 2020, 10:35:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Would have a similar opinion to yourself, I enjoyed my 8 years of coaching,  however I'm enjoying the break even more. More to life than multiple calls to organise fixtures, pitch time, refs, players etc. If I was told the whole thing was cranking up again next week, wouldn't fancy going back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on May 05, 2020, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 05, 2020, 10:35:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
I don't even think of games getting back this year. I have already written it all off in my head! I never listen to sport news reports and their constant whining for a return. As an underage coach I see this as downtime and time to re-charge. I have learned that I and many of my compatriots have lost the run of ourselves with Sport. Sport is all about participation rather than the elite and hopefully that is what it returns to after this.

Enjoy the break - Do the things you never get to do because of sports commitments.

Would have a similar opinion to yourself, I enjoyed my 8 years of coaching,  however I'm enjoying the break even more. More to life than multiple calls to organise fixtures, pitch time, refs, players etc. If I was told the whole thing was cranking up again next week, wouldn't fancy going back.

I agree.

Give it up for 2020 and start afresh in 2021.

All this waffle..how can you train without social distancing...how can players travel to matches, we'll have 2 championships in 2021 etc. etc. etc.

Waffle.

Give it up for 2020 and enjoy a bit of free time to do different things.

Time for the GAA hierachy to say STOP - the GAA season is finished.  Put an end to the rumours and heresay.  Show some leadership and end it for 2020 and give us all peace!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
Why would you stop it Marty and restart in 2021?
The only difference now and 2021 would be a vaccine which is highly unlikely
Curious as to your thought process
Rudi 2 things
What are you doing now that you could not when coaching?
You should give the coaching up you seem sick of it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:45 PM
Gaa should scrap season now seems like they are insistent on having a super 8s  when they could have said we will have an open draw championship with the latest the final can be would be weekend before Christmas it would only take 5 weeks for an open draw  6 if you have a rest week between semi and finals.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 05, 2020, 11:21:12 PM
Games could be spread out between friday saturday and sunday id love to see dublin  v mayo prime time on a friday night first round game
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 06, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 05, 2020, 11:21:12 PM
Games could be spread out between friday saturday and sunday id love to see dublin  v mayo prime time on a friday night first round game

How are lads going to square that away with working??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 06, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
GAA saying return to training MINIMUM date of 20th July insurance will not be restored until then at the earliest. . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-will-tell-clubs-and-counties-to-keep-grounds-closed-until-july-20th-at-earliest-39185955.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 05, 2020, 11:21:12 PM
Games could be spread out between friday saturday and sunday id love to see dublin  v mayo prime time on a friday night first round game

How are lads going to square that away with working??

He's just saying he'd love it, the reality is totally different (shakes head)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 06, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
How many of the guys on here saying 'just wipe out the season' are current players?? Seems to me (even in the media) it is the older volunteers or administrators who are expunging this. As a current club player I'd be 100% interested in playing as long as reasonable precautions are taken. As others have said on here there is no guarantees that a vaccine will ever be found, if we have the mantra of 'vaccine or nothing' then we could have no clubs or county boards to go back too and will lose out on a generation of players. You also have to realise that lockdown and social distancing is not to eliminate the virus (this is pretty much impossible without building up immunity or a vaccine) it is to ensure that the health services can deal with any cases that arise, that is why there is a stepped approach. Also remember no players will be forced to play, it's entirely up to them. Finally, I'd just caveat all this by saying I don't think we will see football this year, I think the timeline set out is to give people hope so that they are more compliant to the restrictions on place, and I think we will see a lot of pausing at stages for more than the 3 weeks and even going back stages. However if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isn't is quite within their rights not too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Estimator on May 06, 2020, 05:25:40 PM
No inter-county fixtures before October.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 06, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
Second wave of the Virus in Europe predicted for September so doubt there will be GAA  until well into 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 06, 2020, 05:35:59 PM
If you have to social distance at work, on public transport, in shops etc etc etc to help the Health Services why would it be ok for hundreds of thousands of young folks to set aside social distancing to play contact sports?

You might and it's just might be able to control things in dressing rooms, subs benches etc but when the game gets going and players get into close quarters puffing and panting over each other etc....
No to mention feckin Rugby with 25 lads lying in a heap on top of each other for 90% of the game and then them scrum yokes.
I can't see any Gaelic games this year or amateur and grass roots rugby or soccer either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 06, 2020, 05:45:27 PM
Lets hope there's a huge improvement in the method of testing by September otherwise there's going to be no championship. Players and management won't be able to isolate themselves for a couple of months like the premiership players can.

Players would need to be tested before every training session and match for games to go ahead, that isn't looking likely now but it can all change in a few months.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 06, 2020, 07:49:04 PM
If the GAA Championship is played later this year its clear those at the top sound determined to have supporters at matches. Question I'd ask if there is a need to social distance in the stand/terrace then how is it safe for players to play a contact sport?

https://mobile.twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1258087132083732480
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 06, 2020, 10:14:01 PM
Colm O Rourke talking utter shite on TV3 in interview with Matt Cooper tonight. GAA should start up again in counties with low levels of Covid. Great the way this pandemic respects borders. Mother of god this man was on the show in his capacity as a school principal
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 06, 2020, 10:26:26 PM
One of the GPS after confirming to Matt Cooper that October return date would be overly optimistic.
Does O Rourke not listen to what medical experts say, and not just what he wants. His article last Sunday was poor in the Indo
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 12:00:23 AM
Surely if the PL can get back to playing games in June (apparently) then having a championship in October should be a reality?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 07, 2020, 01:06:04 AM
I read there a few days ago that the Premier League would need 2,000 tests for each round of 10 fixtures.

For inter-county GAA, you'd need more than that. I don't realisticallly see how it's feasible without a vaccine or at the very least a South Korea style testing regime which almost completely suppresses the virus. Even then you're looking at behind closed doors games or at best drastically reduced attendances.

That said, I wouldn't write off anything just yet. A winter All-Ireland championship would be a great novelty if it was possible in public health terms. Games could be arranged at short notice with a knockout format - and to hell with training. It would be a genuine leveller.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:12 AM
A winter championship would be good as a novelty games under floodlights.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 07, 2020, 01:28:47 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 07, 2020, 01:06:04 AM
I read there a few days ago that the Premier League would need 2,000 tests for each round of 10 fixtures.

For inter-county GAA, you'd need more than that. I don't realisticallly see how it's feasible without a vaccine or at the very least a South Korea style testing regime which almost completely suppresses the virus. Even then you're looking at behind closed doors games or at best drastically reduced attendances.

That said, I wouldn't write off anything just yet. A winter All-Ireland championship would be a great novelty if it was possible in public health terms. Games could be arranged at short notice with a knockout format - and to hell with training. It would be a genuine leveller.
The sport science lads will lay an egg reading that comment.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 07, 2020, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

There is a huge difference between an amateur & professional game though.

Professional players can afford to isolate in between games - imagine telling every GAA player that the need to isolate between games?

And as a player would I want to risk my health & the health of my family instead of waiting until next year or the virus is supressed/vaccine found?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2020, 08:05:41 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-happy-to-play-the-long-game-and-observe-others-1.4246797

The committee established by the GAA to advise on return-to play protocols after the Covid-19 lockdown, is expected to file its first report quite quickly. This emerged after Wednesday's response by the association to last Friday's Government plan for exiting the pandemic restrictions.

Chaired by Shay Bannon, who also chairs the association's standing committee on Health and Safety, the committee's initial remit will be threefold: what is required for the GAA to sanction a return to training, then a return to play and also for its venues to be opened and used.

Although it is set out in diplomatic terms and expresses the hope that club and county competitions can take place this year, Wednesday's statement firmly pushes back against the suggestion last week by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar that All-Irelands could be played as early as August or September.

There will be no intercounty activity before October at the earliest, a conclusion that was obvious even last week when reading between the lines of the ongoing requirement for social distancing in the Government blueprint – a point made in the statement, which says that the association will be seeking clarification of "the challenge of social distancing in contact sport".

Croke Park sources also make the point that the GAA is in no hurry about this. Although its finances are extremely undermined by the cessation of all fixtures, it doesn't have the operational pressure of having to pay players and can wait to monitor how other sports manage their resumption of on-field activities and any lessons that arise.

Learn from others

"Even if we're just two weeks behind," was the view, "we can learn from others' experiences."

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 07, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 07, 2020, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

There is a huge difference between an amateur & professional game though.

Professional players can afford to isolate in between games - imagine telling every GAA player that the need to isolate between games?

And as a player would I want to risk my health & the health of my family instead of waiting until next year or the virus is supressed/vaccine found?

Exactly.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
Would rossfan risk his life by going back to work if you were not 100% sure you wouldn't get the Covid virus?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: lenny on May 07, 2020, 10:13:53 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

Hurling should probably be able to return earlier. Just adapt the helmets so that they work like a visor and all players to wear light gloves.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 11:13:17 AM
Who is going to tell a player, he shoudl play and risk getting saliva from an oponent into his system and then bring it homw where is parent, perhaps a partner with Asthma or Diabetes lives. And this man is an amateur, has to work with other people who could have people at home with those same issues.

I see no way GAA sport starts up again in 2020 bar one of these things happens...

1- An effective treatment is found by using a drug currently on the market and readily available - ie if you catch it, you can be cured.
2- Somehow a vaccine is fast tracked (very low possibility)
3- A mass nationwide screening takes place showing that a huge proportion of the population already have had covid 19 unknown to themselves and as a result there is a type of herd immunity already in place. This would need an effective Antibody test which is not yet available.

Without one of those I just cannot see any way back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 07, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
Spot on Itchy.
And some think Club gaelic games and grassroots/amateur soccer, rugby etc. will be ok from July!

I see some County managers not happy....I presume their "expenses" are stopped after yesterday's decision to officially stand down Co panels.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on May 07, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 07, 2020, 10:13:53 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

Hurling should probably be able to return earlier. Just adapt the helmets so that they work like a visor and all players to wear light gloves.

It would be impossible to play any field sport with a cover on your mouth/nose.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 11:13:17 AM
Who is going to tell a player, he shoudl play and risk getting saliva from an oponent into his system and then bring it homw where is parent, perhaps a partner with Asthma or Diabetes lives. And this man is an amateur, has to work with other people who could have people at home with those same issues.

I see no way GAA sport starts up again in 2020 bar one of these things happens...

1- An effective treatment is found by using a drug currently on the market and readily available - ie if you catch it, you can be cured.
2- Somehow a vaccine is fast tracked (very low possibility)
3- A mass nationwide screening takes place showing that a huge proportion of the population already have had covid 19 unknown to themselves and as a result there is a type of herd immunity already in place. This would need an effective Antibody test which is not yet available.

Without one of those I just cannot see any way back.

If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 12:07:23 PM
Itchy and Ross I take it you will not go outside until a vaccine is found?
Can you guarantee you will not catch Covid 19 when you step outside?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 07, 2020, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
Would rossfan risk his life by going back to work if you were not 100% sure you wouldn't get the Covid virus?

Smurfy - you do realise the GAA is a hobby - players are not paid.

People work to support their family and be able to live - when the money starts drying up people will take risks in order to make a living..........the only people making money from the GAA will be the managers/physios etc
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 12:07:18 PM


If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 12:07:18 PM


If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !

It wasn't me who asserted that GAA sports can't restart until a number of major hurdles are crossed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 12:07:23 PM
Itchy and Ross I take it you will not go outside until a vaccine is found?
Can you guarantee you will not catch Covid 19 when you step outside?

I have to go outside and when I do I avoid close contact with people. I spend a lot of time in my garden. Doing that I am 99% safe. Running around on a pitch, smashing into people makes me a lot less than 99% safe and I dont need to do it either. I find it very difficult to understand how you cant grasp the difference.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 11:13:17 AM
Who is going to tell a player, he shoudl play and risk getting saliva from an oponent into his system and then bring it homw where is parent, perhaps a partner with Asthma or Diabetes lives. And this man is an amateur, has to work with other people who could have people at home with those same issues.

I see no way GAA sport starts up again in 2020 bar one of these things happens...

1- An effective treatment is found by using a drug currently on the market and readily available - ie if you catch it, you can be cured.
2- Somehow a vaccine is fast tracked (very low possibility)
3- A mass nationwide screening takes place showing that a huge proportion of the population already have had covid 19 unknown to themselves and as a result there is a type of herd immunity already in place. This would need an effective Antibody test which is not yet available.

Without one of those I just cannot see any way back.

If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

I wouldnt say that, its a waiting game. I dont think we will be up and running again this year. But I am confident science will overcome this eventually.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 12:07:18 PM


If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !

It wasn't me who asserted that GAA sports can't restart until a number of major hurdles are crossed.

fair enough, but the bit in bold is still a bit on the heavy side !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 01:43:42 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 12:07:18 PM


If you're correct (and you may well be) there is no way back and the GAA as we know it is finished.  What a mess.

Jesus ! Be more positive men !

It wasn't me who asserted that GAA sports can't restart until a number of major hurdles are crossed.

fair enough, but the bit in bold is still a bit on the heavy side !

It is prefaced by an "if". And if we have to shut down til 2024, it won't be the same as it is now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2020, 02:10:18 PM
They should run the all Ireland in October with no prior training allowed. It would give the D3/4 teams a chance.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 07, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

You cannot expect people to play but many will want to if it is permitted, if they don't live with vulnerable people, for instance.
The problem will arise when Junior soccer is going ahead and GAA grounds are padlocked.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2020, 02:10:18 PM
They should run the all Ireland in October with no prior training allowed. It would give the D3/4 teams a chance.

A chance of what?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 07, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 12:07:23 PM
Itchy and Ross I take it you will not go outside until a vaccine is found?
Can you guarantee you will not catch Covid 19 when you step outside?

I have to go outside and when I do I avoid close contact with people. I spend a lot of time in my garden. Doing that I am 99% safe. Running around on a pitch, smashing into people makes me a lot less than 99% safe and I dont need to do it either. I find it very difficult to understand how you cant grasp the difference.
When I go out it's to do garden work or go to the shop or a walk.
I dont go crashing and bashing into anyone I might meet at the shop or in the town. I dont go tussling with them for a ball ( real or imaginary), I dont stand on their heels for 60 or 70 minutes etc etccetc.
I'm afraid the words grasp and Smurfy dont go together.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

You cannot expect people to play but many will want to if it is permitted, if they don't live with vulnerable people, for instance.
The problem will arise when Junior soccer is going ahead and GAA grounds are padlocked.

Perhaps you're right but I predict absolute mayhem if it is permitted , I sense the youth are already beginning to get frustrated if we develop into a situation where GAA players are allowed ignore social distancing you cannot force others to do so . This is the crux of my point all along , if gaa amateur athletes who have jobs etc are given permission you open the floodgates .

It's not like professional sportsmen where there will be rigorous testing , contact with only family after football cause they don't have day jobs .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

The point of social distancing is or was to 'flatten the curve' in the short term so that an initial outbreak of Covid19 wouldn't overwhelm the health service. It is not a remedy for the virus, in fact for all we know it could cause more trouble as everyone's defences will be down when the normal flu season starts next winter.

Sooner or later we will all have to forget about social distancing if normal life is ever going to resume.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 03:20:25 PM
Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

The point of social distancing is or was to 'flatten the curve' in the short term so that an initial outbreak of Covid19 wouldn't overwhelm the health service. It is not a remedy for the virus, in fact for all we know it could cause more trouble as everyone's defences will be down when the normal flu season starts next winter.

Sooner or later we will all have to forget about social distancing if normal life is ever going to resume.

That's all I wanted to hear , if social distancing is abandoned obviously there's no issue .
I'm not sure I share your confidence it will be abandoned anytime soon . Was chatting to a well known publican this morning in malahide and he is not confident it will be lifted this year or next year . Seem to think the "new normal " will be with us for the foreseeable.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 07, 2020, 03:29:08 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.
How? It's one possible scenario among many. A few months ago, even two months ago, people who foresaw a shutdown of the nature we are currrently experiencing were being derided by a lot of people as making "gross exaggerations". But they weren't. We can't predict the future with certainty and we can't predict with certainty how the virus will affect societies, how many people it will kill, how reopening society will go, whether a vaccine will emerge, whether treatments will emerge, the economic effects, the political effects.

You hope for the best, you should expect and be prepared for the worst - because the last four years should have taught us that the worst generally has a way of coming to pass. And this virus is a very serious problem.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on May 07, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 03:20:25 PM
Quote from: five points on May 07, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

The point of social distancing is or was to 'flatten the curve' in the short term so that an initial outbreak of Covid19 wouldn't overwhelm the health service. It is not a remedy for the virus, in fact for all we know it could cause more trouble as everyone's defences will be down when the normal flu season starts next winter.

Sooner or later we will all have to forget about social distancing if normal life is ever going to resume.

That's all I wanted to hear , if social distancing is abandoned obviously there's no issue .
I'm not sure I share your confidence it will be abandoned anytime soon . Was chatting to a well known publican this morning in malahide and he is not confident it will be lifted this year or next year . Seem to think the "new normal " will be with us for the foreseeable.
Was wondering where you got 2024 out of but if you are getting your medical advice from publicans in Malahide that explains a lot.  Why stop at 2024? Maybe 2025? 2030? Sweet Jesus.
As Itchy has said science will overcome this. May not be in 2020 but there are some gloom merchants on here.........
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 03:36:19 PM
Larry you speak total sense on this. How can society social distance everywhere except on a football pitch? If you break the rules on a football pitch then why not break them in socety? If you are asking for exceptions to play sports then is it fair on the sports players?

I saw a tweet from a player yesterday saying they live with elderly parents and what are they supposed to do. The parents would be at risk from him if he doesn't social distance over the course of a game / training and is in contact with someone who has it. How is that fair?

Society either socially distances or it doesn't. What's the point, and where's the fairness, on having an in between?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 03:55:51 PM
Anthony Moyles speaking more sense then his fellow Meath man Colm O Rourke  https://t.co/CNgpvRzGKV?amp=1
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
So why not kill this virus by shutting down the island for 3 weeks? It doesn't last that long and over the next year or if a vaccine is found we keep everyone out!

Games can return in a matter of a month, business open up and we can all go to the pub!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
And you can't shut down all hospitals, shops etc for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 07, 2020, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 03:55:51 PM
Anthony Moyles speaking more sense then his fellow Meath man Colm O Rourke  https://t.co/CNgpvRzGKV?amp=1

Not really. Virtual reality might replace going to the cinema or watching Real Madrid on TV but it will hardly replace going to GAA club matches, or even county ones.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift

You'd need to test everyone and have real time answers and not be waiting a day or two. It's too late when someone has symptoms as they could have spread it Everyone would need to be fully on board, or be forced to be onboard, with whereabouts for contact tracing.

Eradicating this entirely isn't really a possibility in current climate I would think. The horse has kind of bolted.

Disclaimer I am not an expert on the subject but eradicating this would look to be pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift

You'd need to test everyone and have real time answers and not be waiting a day or two. It's too late when someone has symptoms as they could have spread it Everyone would need to be fully on board, or be forced to be onboard, with whereabouts for contact tracing.

Eradicating this entirely isn't really a possibility in current climate I would think. The horse has kind of bolted.

Disclaimer I am not an expert on the subject but eradicating this would look to be pretty much impossible.

Well at least we'll know what to do next time  ::) ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 07, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 07, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Like I have been saying for the last week or two when realising this is way more serious than some are making out , amateur sport could be killed completely for the foreseeable at least . Next Championship could be as late as 2024.

A gross exaggeration. Things like this are why fake news exists.

Number one . Will social distancing apply till we have a vaccine or a cure for covid19?

Number two . Answer has to be yes otherwise what is point of social distancing at all ?

Number three . How can 500000 amateur players be permitted to ignore social distancing during games and training but then have to adhere to them after ?

Until there is a vaccine or a cure for covid19 you cannot expect amateur players to play contact sports . You cannot tell restaurants pubs and people who want to go to them they cannot go unless there is strict social distancing applied and then bend the rules for GAA players .

Number one - please remember why Social Distancing was brought in. It was not to get rid of the virus or be a remedy for it, it was to suppress the spread of the outbreak so the various Health Services could cope. If there is a significantly low, to no new case rate, maybe social distancing won't be needed.

Number two - unless you were backed by your own scientists while making the judgement on 2024, you have no founding to pick that date out of the sky. Hence the fake news aspect I mentioned. Some one reads that here, relays it to their mate, the mate doesn't know the content, relays it to someone else and it becomes a rumour. I am not saying it will go nationwide or anything like it, but why say something like that when there is absolutely no evidence or founding behind it?

I for one agree it was not taken seriously at the beginning, and indeed contact sport will be a very difficult hurdle to overcome. However I will not be pessimistic and throw out speculative dates or timescales.

In addition Sid said that a few weeks or two months ago some people said the potential lockdown regulations were a gross exaggeration. Not in my experience however. China, Malaysia and others experienced similar prior to this so I don't think it was the case people thought it wouldn't or couldn't happen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 07:19:18 PM
Never said it was a cure for gawds sake .

My "exaggeration " date plucked out of the sky is in line with when I believe from gathering all the bits of info I can on the timeframe needed to find , manufacture and deliver a vaccine all around the world .

But all that is just sidelined by the main point I'm trying to argue about how amateur sportsmen & women & children would be permitted to engage in contact sports whilst social distancing was still been enforced in everyday life .

When social distancing is lifted , gaa will return in its former glory until that point I can't fathom how it can return . Explain to me how you see it returning and I'll offer a reply if you wish .

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

German league only returning out of necessity, or some clubs will go bust, Germans have it more under control then most places in Europe,https://twitter.com/i/status/1258113061761748997
You can't compare that to GAA,
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
The bundesliga is going to kick off on the 15th of May but we have  to wait until October for a  behind closed doors game of hurling. It doesn't seem right. Surely GAA can return sooner.

German league only returning out of necessity, or some clubs will go bust, Germans have it more under control then most places in Europe,https://twitter.com/i/status/1258113061761748997
You can't compare that to GAA,
The GAA doesn't have to pay players which puts it under less time pressure
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 07, 2020, 08:46:48 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 07, 2020, 07:19:18 PM
Never said it was a cure for gawds sake .

My "exaggeration " date plucked out of the sky is in line with when I believe from gathering all the bits of info I can on the timeframe needed to find , manufacture and deliver a vaccine all around the world .

But all that is just sidelined by the main point I'm trying to argue about how amateur sportsmen & women & children would be permitted to engage in contact sports whilst social distancing was still been enforced in everyday life .

When social distancing is lifted , gaa will return in its former glory until that point I can't fathom how it can return . Explain to me how you see it returning and I'll offer a reply if you wish .

No you didn't but you asked will it have to go on until we have a cure or vaccine and then asked what the point of social distancing was. So I was merely reminding/replying to that, however this is a complete side track to my point. 2024 is a gross exaggeration in my opinion and remains my opinion. Life will go on, maybe in a different format or normality and things will return that have been put on hold. They will all take different shapes and forms. Under your pretence there will be no amateurs/professional dramatics, other arts, sports until 2024? I find that very very hard to believe.

I believe the GAA will and can return, maybe in 2020, maybe in 2021 but by then there will be some sort of medical guidance I would like to think, which allows safe return to all of the above. I am not a medic or a scientist so I will not roll out options for this, I don't have the proper knowledge to do so. I am sure however, a lot of people do and will.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
It's here. If you shut the island down it will still circulate from the people who have it. It would take a good bit longer than 3 weeks.

You would expect most cases for quite a while now have been coming from "internal" circulation as opposed to those coming off flights.

I forgot to add, testing, obviously once there has been the testing and tracing. But you get my drift

You'd need to test everyone and have real time answers and not be waiting a day or two. It's too late when someone has symptoms as they could have spread it Everyone would need to be fully on board, or be forced to be onboard, with whereabouts for contact tracing.

Eradicating this entirely isn't really a possibility in current climate I would think. The horse has kind of bolted.

Disclaimer I am not an expert on the subject but eradicating this would look to be pretty much impossible.

Well at least we'll know what to do next time  ::) ::)

Most airlines will be bust by then so flights will cost so much there will be less travel so less opportunity to spread!!

Where we go Gaa wise should just be about where society goes. Society social distances then no play. Society doesn't social distance then play . To me as simple as that and anything else is ludicrous.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 10:40:24 PM
As was said above social distancing was put in place to slow the curve and protect the NHS  and hospitals. Social distancing will not last forever. The curve has been well and truly buried to the extent that 95% of the new cases reported today were in carehomes. Itchy Ross you could potentially get the virus whilst out shopping. If you are that worried why not order the food in instead of putting your life at risk?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 12:14:21 AM
Fuk me so we are all in agreement then, when social distancing is no longer required, then GAA sports can start up again .

This is all it boils down to , it's hard to fathom why all the speculation and back n forth media reports . Seems so straight forward to me .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 07:54:42 AM
Sports journalists have nothing else to write about and people love a good bit of speculation. I think that is about the height of it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 08, 2020, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2020, 10:40:24 PM
As was said above social distancing was put in place to slow the curve and protect the NHS  and hospitals. Social distancing will not last forever. The curve has been well and truly buried to the extent that 95% of the new cases reported today were in carehomes. Itchy Ross you could potentially get the virus whilst out shopping. If you are that worried why not order the food in instead of putting your life at risk?

Smurfy - take a deep breath and listen. It is about risk. I could sit in the house with a window open and some fella sneezes on the street and a drop makes its way to me, unlikely but possible. Lets say I am 99.9% safe from contracting the virus in my house. When I go to the shop and take precautions like social distancing, wiping my trolley etc I am say 95% safe from contracting the virus. If I decide I am going to abandon social distancing, get close to large groups of people, get into very close contact with these people how safe am I then on this scale? For argument sake lets say I am 70% safe (I know I made this up, but I am talking orders of magnitude). Maybe as a young fit individual I am happy enough with 70%, I'm gung ho, I will get over it. However, this virus can live in me for an extended period without me knowing it is there and during that time I  can spread it to my mother and father, my neighbour, my kids. Maybe some of these people are vulnerable - recovering from cancer treatment, diabetic, asthmatic etc. Am I still willing to be gung ho? I would propose to you anyone who intentionally does this is being very wreckless.

Now finally, where does an organisation like the GAA stand if they were to facilitate a breach in social distancing to have football games. Lets say Mr Smurfy gets a call next week and is told great news the kids are back training. Lets say Mr Smurfy himself was at work and contracted Covid and unknown to himself he passed it onto his young lad. His young lad goes training and playing a match and infects some of the kids on his team, they all bring it back home and now 3 kids grandparents are very ill, perhaps they die. Where does the GAA sit ethically and even legally for facilitating this during a confirmed world wide pandemic?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
+1.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Can people differentiate between professional & amateur?

Amateurs will not be able to go back to contact sports until 'physical distancing' is over - its pretty straightforward.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2020, 08:34:23 AM
they all bring it back home and now 3 kids grandparents are very ill, perhaps they die. Where does the GAA sit ethically and even legally for facilitating this during a confirmed world wide pandemic?
Aren't grandparents supposed to be cocooning though?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on May 08, 2020, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Can people differentiate between professional & amateur?

Amateurs will not be able to go back to contact sports until 'physical distancing' is over - its pretty straightforward.

What is the GAA?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 08, 2020, 10:12:55 AM
Perhaps the GAA clubs should restore their interest in neglected GAA sport, handball, which could be played more or less safely in these times.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2020, 10:54:17 AM
Ploughing Championships, a major public event, called off.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on May 08, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
The Camogie Association confirmed yesterday that all registrations fees have to be paid by the end of May or clubs won't be allowed to play this year if there is any games. So no money coming in but fees paid anyway. When they were asked would fees carry forward if no games this year they said no. They stated that croke park was still taking the levy off them regardless.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 08, 2020, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Can people differentiate between professional & amateur?

Amateurs will not be able to go back to contact sports until 'physical distancing' is over - its pretty straightforward.

What is the GAA?

The people playing the game are amateurs?

That is who games impact
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 08, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
If GAA returns before the end of year I'm not sure how Leo Varadkar reckons games must be played without spectators while today he says he wants people to be able to travel abroad for work or leisure "before the end of the year, if not this summer".

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 08, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
If GAA returns before the end of year I'm not sure how Leo Varadkar reckons games must be played without spectators while today he says he wants people to be able to travel abroad for work or leisure "before the end of the year, if not this summer".

That's what I mean , the amount of mixed signals or contradictions is surreal . It's wreckin my head man .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 08, 2020, 04:17:20 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 08, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
If GAA returns before the end of year I'm not sure how Leo Varadkar reckons games must be played without spectators while today he says he wants people to be able to travel abroad for work or leisure "before the end of the year, if not this summer".

I wish he would feck off before the end of the summer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 08, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 12:14:21 AM
Fuk me so we are all in agreement then, when social distancing is no longer required, then GAA sports can start up again .

This is all it boils down to , it's hard to fathom why all the speculation and back n forth media reports . Seems so straight forward to me .

It won't be 2024 I think we all apart from you agree there.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
Itchy you are either safe or you are not?
Which is it?
You said no contact sports until a vaccine
Do you still stand by that statement
18% drop in hospital deaths in the uk this week
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 08, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 12:14:21 AM
Fuk me so we are all in agreement then, when social distancing is no longer required, then GAA sports can start up again .

This is all it boils down to , it's hard to fathom why all the speculation and back n forth media reports . Seems so straight forward to me .

It won't be 2024 I think we all apart from you agree there.

I'm no scientist that's for sure .

All I'm saying for the millionth time is most scientists are saying it's up to three years for a vaccine and that's if there will ever be one that's effective . Hence me using a far away date in line with vaccine.

Now I'll play devil's advocate here and say to you if I here of a game of football been permitted to take place , I will challenge the state if their state forces tell me I can't have a party with 30 people at my house . If I were a publican I'd do the same .

I don't understand the grey area , perhaps someone can point to what I'm missing cause I'm obviously missing something.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 06:42:45 PM
But Larry the government in the south have said games can be held in phase 3 behind closed doors. Small gatherings also. No laws being broke.
What's your point
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/theres-a-lot-more-risk-with-2000-players-than-200-players-998477.html

370,000 registered players according to this report.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 07:15:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 06:42:45 PM
But Larry the government in the south have said games can be held in phase 3 behind closed doors. Small gatherings also. No laws being broke.
What's your point

I give up .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
It was also said that Gaa wasn't a full contact sport smurfy.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 07:47:07 PM
I'm aware the both the GAA & govt officials have said games could go ahead and indeed it's in the phased plan for July 20th

But for the last time I'll try to explain what I don't understand about the above , social distancing will be in place , there's no doubt about that anywhere in any guidelines and how do you social distance playing a game of football .

Surely now you understand my point , I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing about anything just baffled by it .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 08, 2020, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

And again that's my point the "medical experts " agree too that contact sports should be back with us by July 20th whilst social distancing is still in place .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 08:55:57 PM
So Rodney are you saying rugby will return as it is professional?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 09:01:02 PM
Yes It's more likely as a Professional Sport. Though the IRFU are screwed, with the summer tour called off and the fixtures will likely be beind closed doors until a Vaccine.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
So what's the difference in rugby and GAA starting up?
Don't say professional
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 09:58:52 PM
 Rugby Players can self isolate as they are not working Professional players that is. GAA players like Jack McCaffrey is a doctor, so how could he go from that to playing? Putting his teammates and opponents at risk. Then there is the cost of testing players, 2 or 3 times a week.. An ordinary GAA club team isn't going avail of those services.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
Smurfy it may start up but would you not agree it makes no sense to socially distance society except when they play sports whether that be rugby or not?

People are told everyone could be a carrier of this virus and that is why you socially distance. Also you could be yourself.

Irrespective of whether you believe this or not that makes one rule for Gaa or sports in general and one rule for society. This is hipocrisy and not fair on players.

Professional very different. You remove yourself from social distancing then you shouldn't be near vulnerable people. You are professional they should put you up for your quarantine period plus more money to source testing. Amateur doesn't have that.

As I say it Gaa may well come back but it makes no sense. Workplaces much more important. It all depends on timelines of society in general. If some form of normality back then by all means bring Gaa back but until then it is not fair on players to do so.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 08, 2020, 11:48:29 PM
There's a hierarchy here about which type of sports should be able to return and when.

First is non-contact open air sport like golf. Snooker and darts might be able to return reasonably quickly as well but they are indoors so that's a complicating factor.

Second is top level professonal contact sport, where the players can coccoon and clubs can afford to pay for their own testing.

Then there's top level amateur team contact sports, such as inter-county GAA, where wide scale testing for the participants might in time be able to be provided.

Last of all is grass roots amateur team contact sport. In a normal weekend, thousands of GAA club matches take place in Ireland. Add in soccer and rugby and it's many thousands. And there's no way you can provide frequent, wide scale testing for participants. As long as this virus is around, every one of those matches would be a tinderbox for the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 09, 2020, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

I would like to think before publishing such a detailed document into the public domain, that medical experts had already been consulted. Just as they would have been on every aspect of the process to date.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 09, 2020, 01:43:42 AM
So, just hypothetical scenario.
Paddy and Joe work with eachother and play for 2 different GAA teams. They are playing eachother. So in work they are distancing, they leave work together distancing and walk to the bus, and of course observe the correct rules. On the bus they also observe the distancing rules and the same when the get off the bus and go to the pitch. At the game they mark eachother, game played and social distancing starts again. Why the difference?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 09, 2020, 01:51:31 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 09, 2020, 01:43:42 AM
So, just hypothetical scenario.
Paddy and Joe work with eachother and play for 2 different GAA teams. They are playing eachother. So in work they are distancing, they leave work together distancing and walk to the bus, and of course observe the correct rules. On the bus they also observe the distancing rules and the same when the get off the bus and go to the pitch. At the game they mark eachother, game played and social distancing starts again. Why the difference?

A game is a  particular event, one hour a week. Everyone takes showers and change their gear immediately afterwards. It is a call, but if the incidence is substantially reduced then some measured activity will be allowed, as it is now in Hong Kong for instance. If nobody is allowed close to you then hairdressers dentists etc are banjaxed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 09, 2020, 07:39:23 AM
What about training? What about changing rooms? What about surfaces in the changing rooms? Transport to games?

Logistical minefield.

I agree it does have to come back but there needs to be a lot of responsibility shown here in making the decision to come back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 09, 2020, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 09, 2020, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

I would like to think before publishing such a detailed document into the public domain, that medical experts had already been consulted. Just as they would have been on every aspect of the process to date.

Plenty of medical experts have written off Amateur Sporting being played since the phased announment was made.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2020, 12:53:08 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 09, 2020, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 09, 2020, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 08, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
It's medical experts opinion that matters. The government were only giving a guideline for what they hope to happen, doesn't mean it will happen. Pubs opening in August will be unlikely too, no matter what way pubs try and convince them to open.

Gaa as a amateur sport won't be happening.

I would like to think before publishing such a detailed document into the public domain, that medical experts had already been consulted. Just as they would have been on every aspect of the process to date.

Plenty of medical experts have written off Amateur Sporting being played since the phased announment was made.

That's all very well. But really only one set of medical experts matters, the ones that the government have liaised with while putting together their plan.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 07:18:20 AM
Not really. Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:18:42 AM
Here's the question I'd rather answered , how long do they expect this "new normal " to last ?  So many experts and intellectuals but I've yet to hear anyone say "look we would hope to be back to a packed croker in 2021/22/23 ?? It's alarming the void in long term predictions. So depressing man
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
The GAA will be following rugby , hoping to look for lessons about the return to playing

htpps://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/0/when-will-rugby-season-resume-start-six-nations-games/amp/

World Rugby, in their set of guidelines titled 'Safe Return to Rugby', have suggested that a total of 167 people will be required for matches to take place behind closed doors, a list that includes security guards, a PA announcer and paramedics

Professionals will require a mini pre-season to get fit again once the government lockdown is lifted, in order to build back up not just match fitness but also muscle in key areas such as the neck to ensure set-pieces can be carried out safely.

https://playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/covid-19
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
The GAA will be following rugby , hoping to look for lessons about the return to playing

htpps://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/0/when-will-rugby-season-resume-start-six-nations-games/amp/

World Rugby, in their set of guidelines titled 'Safe Return to Rugby', have suggested that a total of 167 people will be required for matches to take place behind closed doors, a list that includes security guards, a PA announcer and paramedics

Professionals will require a mini pre-season to get fit again once the government lockdown is lifted, in order to build back up not just match fitness but also muscle in key areas such as the neck to ensure set-pieces can be carried out safely.

https://playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/covid-19

Inter county players have hinted their disinterest at behind closed doors games .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:18:42 AM
Here's the question I'd rather answered , how long do they expect this "new normal " to last ?  So many experts and intellectuals but I've yet to hear anyone say "look we would hope to be back to a packed croker in 2021/22/23 ?? It's alarming the void in long term predictions. So depressing man

The Dutch League confirmed last week they will be playing behind closed  doors until there is a Vaccine. That's a Professional league where they are losing a lot of revenue. That could be from 1 to 5 years.
The GAA can't predict when they'll have crowds or experts either. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:58:25 AM
Yep fair enough and not really looking for the GAA to announce or predict , obviously we follow suit / guidelines.

It's the WHO , governments , scientists etc I want to hear more off , lots of mixed messages , I thought science was exact .  My main issue is i believe they do know a lot more and have a fair idea of timeframes for coming out of new normal into the old normal , have more concrete info on drugs and vaccines but for some reason think drip feeding is the way to go in a pandemic. Perhaps there is reasons for this like risks of social unrest but personally I'd appreciate knowing when our lives can return to normal and fook your new normal talk with all these new terminologies without any proper definition, all loose shite .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2020, 02:32:26 PM
You could have 5000 people at a club game in September going by the governments recommendations.
What's stopping 5000 people going to McHale Park in September? Social distancing off course. And by that stage I would imagine WHO to know if it's a metre or 2. They are now coming out with word that 1 metre social distancing is more than enough.
No vaccine no work in afraid
No vaccine no retail shops open
No vaccine no pubs open
No vaccine no restaurants open
No vaccine no gyms open
No vaccine no sports
No vaccine no mass
No vaccine no schools
No vaccine no university's

Don't come out with the no vaccine can't return crap because we may never have a vaccine
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 10, 2020, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:58:25 AM
Yep fair enough and not really looking for the GAA to announce or predict , obviously we follow suit / guidelines.

It's the WHO , governments , scientists etc I want to hear more off , lots of mixed messages , I thought science was exact .  My main issue is i believe they do know a lot more and have a fair idea of timeframes for coming out of new normal into the old normal , have more concrete info on drugs and vaccines but for some reason think drip feeding is the way to go in a pandemic. Perhaps there is reasons for this like risks of social unrest but personally I'd appreciate knowing when our lives can return to normal and fook your new normal talk with all these new terminologies without any proper definition, all loose shite .
People are trying to develop and/or test a vaccine. That's science.

Predicting when or if a vaccine will emerge and when a sufficient amount of the world's population will be immunised by said vaccine and everybody can get back to "normal" is not science - it's the same as some lad in the pub telling you to lump on a 6/1 shot in the 3:10 at Uttoxeter.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 07:18:20 AM
Not really . Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.

Well, yes really actually. The only medical opinions that will matter are those that the government liaise with. What happens or the timescale is a different issue. The point remains that it'll only be gov medical advisers that will matter. The rest of your post has little to do with that aspect.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 10, 2020, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 11:58:25 AM
Yep fair enough and not really looking for the GAA to announce or predict , obviously we follow suit / guidelines.

It's the WHO , governments , scientists etc I want to hear more off , lots of mixed messages , I thought science was exact .  My main issue is i believe they do know a lot more and have a fair idea of timeframes for coming out of new normal into the old normal , have more concrete info on drugs and vaccines but for some reason think drip feeding is the way to go in a pandemic. Perhaps there is reasons for this like risks of social unrest but personally I'd appreciate knowing when our lives can return to normal and fook your new normal talk with all these new terminologies without any proper definition, all loose shite .
People are trying to develop and/or test a vaccine. That's science.

Predicting when or if a vaccine will emerge and when a sufficient amount of the world's population will be immunised by said vaccine and everybody can get back to "normal" is not science - it's the same as some lad in the pub telling you to lump on a 6/1 shot in the 3:10 at Uttoxeter.

That's sound and I'm probably not wording my posts right through frustration .

Let me put it this way ,  most people think we will back to the way things used to be within a year .

I don't think that's possible if you listen to what they are saying but not saying it at the same time .

No vaccine for at least 18 months ok that seems to be fairly well accepted as best case scenario , so that means , no going to watch football anywhere in the world all next season ?

How will organisations survive ?

What if they never get an effective vaccine or cure ? 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 10, 2020, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
What if they never get an effective vaccine or cure ?

I'm going to wear one of these for Armagh games.
It will be doubly useful if sitting near slabbering Tyrone or Down supporters.

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Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 10, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.

This tweet?
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Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
He would normally be correct?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 10, 2020, 08:35:48 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.

If anything it should be the other way around.
The option for some local  activity should be retained. Not necessarily fully fledged club championships leading to the All Ireland club, but u-16 parish leagues and the like.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 10, 2020, 08:48:43 PM
 Too dangerous for adults but ok to put  children at it??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 10, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
The latest from John Horan whom was speaking on the Sunday game. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1137557/?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 10:24:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
The latest from John Horan whom was speaking on the Sunday game. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1137557/?

First time I've heard it in all this madness , one simple direct question and ends all speculation.  It's all that was required all along since social distancing become a thing .

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on May 10, 2020, 11:27:06 PM
Are the Dublin clubs Professional GDO's getting their €350 from the Government now that that GAA don't have a cash flow?

Is the GAA still renting Croke Park as a Covid testing facility?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
John Horan has one vote don't forget
Outgoing Chairman who will go down as the worst I'm a long time but wants to make a name for himself now
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 10, 2020, 10:24:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
The latest from John Horan whom was speaking on the Sunday game. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1137557/?

First time I've heard it in all this madness , one simple direct question and ends all speculation.  It's all that was required all along since social distancing become a thing .
He spelled it out alright.
And if social distancing relaxed enough to allow games Club games will be first up.
Also if the 6 Cos are behind (as usual ;D) we'll all have to wait for them.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 08:46:54 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
John Horan has one vote don't forget
Outgoing Chairman who will go down as the worst I'm a long time but wants to make a name for himself now

I imagine he speaks for the GAA and not just himself. The social distancing thing is a no brainer. Why there seems to be any confusion round it I just don't understand. It's not making a name - it's being sensible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Wee Roddy on May 11, 2020, 08:55:51 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
John Fogarty tweeting the GAA is to soon pull the plug on Club football taking place this year. County will likely follow.

This is part of the problem. Journalists and the like spout nonsense and people believe it.
Horan was speaking for the GAA last night and not himself. It was practical and everything he said made sense.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 09:34:57 AM
I'm not for one second disagreeing with Horan but my point is what if we don't get a vaccine for 5 years and social distancing lasts until then? Is Horan and co going to go against what they truly believe? That's my point. It's with us for a long long time as is social distancing. We either except that and close tha gates for years or find a way around it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 09:39:02 AM
If society can't find a way round it then how can the GAA though?

People who I talk to who would be a lot better advised than me suggest one year would be the timeframe.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 09:40:30 AM
1 year? What if they can never get a vaccine
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 11, 2020, 09:55:42 AM
The Tweet was that the GAA was doubling down on keeping club gates locked.

Two hours later he praised Horan's direct response...there will be more airtime and column inches given over today to analyse what Horan said, even though we just cannot know anything for certain.

Will lads giving out online about their kids really wanting to go to their local pitch and disgrace this and that give up their day to count kids coming in the gate or keep them apart if they are having a puc or kick around?

If insurance isn't willing to cover the GAA their hands are tied too because people don't take responsibility for their own actions.
As Mike Quirke said in the Examiner what harm in waiting and seeing what will actually happen?







Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 09:40:30 AM
1 year? What if they can never get a vaccine

They probably will and there will come a point when there will be more calculated "risks" etc. I don't think society or the GAA is stuffed for the next 5 years(or forever).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 10:00:13 AM
But what if they can't get a vaccine? No point saying they probably will
Captain that's my point no problem waiting. But until a vaccine is found?
Just think Horans words may come back to bite him. Social distancing is here until a vaccine is found that's for sure.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 11, 2020, 10:10:24 AM
Smurfy but it's better to be bringing something forward and having laid out the worst case in my mind.
Like the Leaving Certs were told back in school in July, then talk of online and after all that they decide on something else that they are figuring out how to implement...
Or even the Premier League talking of getting going with three Brighton lads with Covid.
No harm with a cold hard dose of reality and then if anything cahnges for the better it's a bonus.
That's just me mind. Like I don't think anyone would care what he said if he was delivering some better news in a few months based on the medical state of play.

County season is a non-runner I reckon, but like clubs could end up having to tog out without a star player if they are living at home with older parents or are front line workers...
It's total shite but it's where we are at and it's a total legal minefield too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 10:10:41 AM
They probably will but if they can't society will still have to return to normal somehow - eventually.

The GAA should follow society though.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 11:11:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 11, 2020, 10:10:24 AM
Smurfy but it's better to be bringing something forward and having laid out the worst case in my mind.
Like the Leaving Certs were told back in school in July, then talk of online and after all that they decide on something else that they are figuring out how to implement...
Or even the Premier League talking of getting going with three Brighton lads with Covid.
No harm with a cold hard dose of reality and then if anything cahnges for the better it's a bonus.
That's just me mind. Like I don't think anyone would care what he said if he was delivering some better news in a few months based on the medical state of play.

County season is a non-runner I reckon, but like clubs could end up having to tog out without a star player if they are living at home with older parents or are front line workers...
It's total shite but it's where we are at and it's a total legal minefield too.

Not really, this is the one area where GAA amateur ethos will be a winner for them. There is no payment, the players will choose to play (provided the Government allows it). There will be no legal backlash.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
I don't think I'll be hiring you if I need a Solicitor .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
I don't think I'll be hiring you if I need a Solicitor .

So what is the legal point here?

Player A gets sued by his own family, because he played a Game of Gaelic Football (which was legally allowed by the Government), a family member of Player A then caught coronavirus and died....is this the path we are thinking along the lines of? If so, get the coach and horses ready.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 11, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 10, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 07:18:20 AM
Not really . Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.

Well, yes really actually. The only medical opinions that will matter are those that the government liaise with. What happens or the timescale is a different issue. The point remains that it'll only be gov medical advisers that will matter. The rest of your post has little to do with that aspect.

So name everyone the Government are liasing with?
Cillian De Gascun is one of the top medical experts in the country, its likely he had some input. He dismissed Amateur Sport.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 01:18:05 PM
Issues would be what steps did the GAA make to ensure that players hadn't the disease before they let the game be played?
Procedures, protocols  in dressing rooms, toilets  showers etc
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 11, 2020, 01:52:23 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 10, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 10, 2020, 07:18:20 AM
Not really . Phase 4 and 5 of the phased announcement were vague. Leo in his speech said GAA wasn't a full contact sport, and put it at stage 4 and Rugby at stage 5..
He didn't explain about it being a Amateur sport, and how would players get tested or self isolate.?  Or why he thinks GAA club teams could return in July, when professional Leagues in Europe are suspended till September at the earliest

He just didn't want to spoil the party with his announcement.

Well, yes really actually. The only medical opinions that will matter are those that the government liaise with. What happens or the timescale is a different issue. The point remains that it'll only be gov medical advisers that will matter. The rest of your post has little to do with that aspect.

So name everyone the Government are liasing with?
Cillian De Gascun is one of the top medical experts in the country, its likely he had some input. He dismissed Amateur Sport.

Not sure about De Gascun (great name), but Tony Holohan is a GAA man.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 11, 2020, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2020, 01:52:23 PM

Not sure about De Gascun (great name), but Tony Holohan is a GAA man.
Cillian prefers the oval ball

Terenure v Ballymena 3/1/1998
Killian De Gascun of Terenure is tackled by Ballymena's Jan Cunningham
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Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 01:18:05 PM
Issues would be what steps did the GAA make to ensure that players hadn't the disease before they let the game be played?
Procedures, protocols  in dressing rooms, toilets  showers etc

I understand your point, but how can you expect any kind of legal issue arising from a GAA game over the transmission of a virus that you or I might have right now, but not even know? Given that the game is amateur, there is no obligation for any player to be there, at any time unlike professional sport, where you will have to attend all team activity as part of your contract.

It would seem an easy target to attribute an infection to a game, but proving that Player A was infected during a game (and then brought it home) and not filling up at the petrol station say, just before, would be legally impossible.

If the Govt. give the go ahead to play GAA games as we know it I assume there would be caveats regarding your points above - but if you mean legal action with regards to infections arising through games that nobody can prove. It's simply a white wash in a legal sense.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 02:39:23 PM
The uk government have handled this very bad. The worst out of everyone. BJ is useless but the one thing that stuck out for me in today's document and I believe he is right is that you can't live without risk. No matter what you do whether it be go out shopping getting the hair cut playing golf going for a pint going into work or mass the risk will always be about
The GAA need to make a decision like all sports whether they want to take a risk or close all down until a vaccine is found. I know which I would prefer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 11, 2020, 03:01:03 PM
Gaa is an amateur sport smurfy , totally different to professional sports people in the context of covid19 restrictions, our bucks have to go to work on the Monday morning been the main difference .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 03:04:05 PM
Getoverthebar - there's no obligation on anybody to attend a sports fixture but there are an awful lot of spectator safety issues which the organising body is responsible for.
There will be more player safety issues needing attention now.
Turning up in Court and shrugging shoulders saying "Johnny didn't gave to play "  wouldn't be a great defence.
It might reduce the Compo payout a bit.
No doubt the GAA will have a load of new procedures and protocols based on Public Health advice to enable games go ahead when social distancing ends.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 03:14:34 PM
Smurfy why does it need to be until a vaccine is found?

Why would the GAA put players more at risk than society would? Why can't it be until it is putting them at no more of a risk than they are at in every day society? i.e. when social distancing stops the GAA can play?

I can't predict the future and I don't think any of us can but if a vaccine is not forthcoming within a period of time then to a degree society will have to return to normal and people will have to take a risk on but it's too raw at the minute. That is every day so the GAA will just be another part of this. That is the point in time when risk will need looked at / taken.

If a vaccine isn't here in 5 years does anyone really think that we will have done social distancing for 5 years? Currently there isn't a lot of understanding of this virus. There are stats x, y and z and then conflicting stats for that. If they understand it better then they can manage that risk but at present there is nothing in society to suggest that barring stopping taking the most extreme precautions of lockdown they can control this virus at all.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
But tommy you either take the risk or not?
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.
The risk is there and will be so let's except it and get on with things
A lot of over dramatic people about.
The care homes are now 80/20 the stats in the north now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2020, 03:28:36 PM
QuoteSocial distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

QuoteA lot of over dramatic people about.

How do you know social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found??

We have been very fortunate here with how we've been hit. We need to be very cautious about a wave 2. The NHS has been run into the ground but the NHS here has got way less attention.

There is a big fear around a wave 2. A big fear.

I am not sure I understand why you think an individual should take no risk in every aspect of their life with regard to social distancing but change that to go onto a football field and then change back. I don't understand?

Yes take risk by all means but take the same risks as you do in the rest of your life and take consistent risk as well.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 11, 2020, 06:16:37 PM
Prof. McConkey was on the radio there, who noted that we would have to deal with this virus for 2-5 years. Now he was talking about travel quarantines, but the implications for sport of this time period are also rather ominous. Of course Trump believe that the virus will go away without a vaccine, so perhaps he is right and the Prof. is taking bollix.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 11, 2020, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2020, 06:16:37 PM
Prof. McConkey was on the radio there, who noted that we would have to deal with this virus for 2-5 years. Now he was talking about travel quarantines, but the implications for sport of this time period are also rather ominous. Of course Trump believe that the virus will go away without a vaccine, so perhaps he is right and the Prof. is taking bollix.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

And this is why it's so confusing for us mere mortals , so many different takes .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 11, 2020, 06:56:33 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2020, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2020, 06:16:37 PM
Prof. McConkey was on the radio there, who noted that we would have to deal with this virus for 2-5 years. Now he was talking about travel quarantines, but the implications for sport of this time period are also rather ominous. Of course Trump believe that the virus will go away without a vaccine, so perhaps he is right and the Prof. is taking bollix.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

And this is why it's so confusing for us mere mortals , so many different takes .

Has he published anything to back up his predictions, it would be very interesting to read. Right now I dont understand his conclusions
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on May 11, 2020, 08:06:04 PM
This pandemic was declared only a matter of weeks ago and therefore information on the virus, and preventing its spread etc , remains limited. The statistics which are available, all have to be put into context. So Predictions regarding vaccines and  relaxation etc have to be treated with caution-its far too early to say. What is entirely predictable is that there are significant diseases of isolation/inactivity/poverty and those that demand a continuation of lockdown and social distancing without taking these very real threats into account, are playing as dangerous a game as those that want immediate and widespread relaxation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 11, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.

You're never far off the ball fair play radio . Cillian de gascun was just on tonight show and he hinted at something along the lines of what you're saying when it was put to him what John Horan said last night .   Weighing up what we are hearing last 48 hrs in relation to the return of GAA I'd be a lot more confident we will have a championship next year with crowds too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 12, 2020, 11:12:12 AM
Yeah, I agree that a vaccine is the most obvious route out of this mess.

But its definitely not the only route. As this drags on, more studies will come back with positive benefits of various drug/assistance treatments.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 12, 2020, 11:24:55 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-club-plan-in-doubt-as-less-than-58-of-players-will-return-in-2020-998949.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 12, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
Easy fix.

League games can go ahead - but there is no promotion or relegation from any league this year. Less/no pressure on folks to play.


View it as simply playing the sport for enjoyment's sake. Y'know - the reason we play sport in the first place...


Championships? Probably best left off the agenda.



edit: I read this a few hours after posting, and realise it looks weird. I'm saying it in the context of ~ half the players not wanting to play and games being declared "safe" to play by health authorities. Making it more like organised challenge matches is a way to prevent anyone feeling under pressure to play.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 12, 2020, 04:18:04 PM
John Horan now saying the GAA are looking at opening up club facilities before July 20 with no ball games etc. Just so people can walk about and that. What is this man talking about?
On one hand he writes the season off now he is saying he is going to open up
And games will begin now on medical advice
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 12, 2020, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 12, 2020, 04:18:04 PM
John Horan now saying the GAA are looking at opening up club facilities before July 20 with no ball games etc. Just so people can walk about and that. What is this man talking about?
On one hand he writes the season off now he is saying he is going to open up
And games will begin now on medical advice

Because people walking 5m apart does not pose the same problems as a game?
I think they should open the handball alleys.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 12, 2020, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
I don't think I'll be hiring you if I need a Solicitor .

So what is the legal point here?

Player A gets sued by his own family, because he played a Game of Gaelic Football (which was legally allowed by the Government), a family member of Player A then caught coronavirus and died....is this the path we are thinking along the lines of? If so, get the coach and horses ready.

All nonsense of course. Even if they could prove cause and effect, which is impossible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 12, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2020, 12:52:12 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.

With treatments you get one drug that slows the virus 10% and that does some good. You get another drug that boosts the immune system by a bit and that helps. But give the two together and the boosted immune system can often beat the slowed down virus and then a lot of people can benefit. Then they get a better understanding of specific ways the virus affects people and this helps people too. It will never be the common cold but it might be reduced to being a bad dose.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2020, 12:30:35 PM
Would they be under 40s who live on their own or who work in solitary positions?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2020, 01:46:28 PM
The other thing that would save the day would be widespread testing onsite. A number of teams internationally are working on a breathalyser type device,  if this did not cost the earth and worked (big if) then games, training etc would involve people blowing into one of these yokes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2020, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(
Well done you on your recovery, I'd been keen to hear if there are others on here who also caught the virus?

Being nosey have you been able to trace where I you caught it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 13, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(

Good stuff!


[yep, agreed that a vaccine is needed - but it isn't the only route back to a running economy]
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2020, 02:33:57 PM
Sorry to hear your got the Covid Lar.
Glad you got through it and hope you have no after effects.
Clear here so far but Ros has overtaken Mayo as most cases per head of population and is now the worst in the West.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 13, 2020, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(

Best wishes on your recovery sir.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0513/1138200-covid-19-advisory-group-discusses-gaa-roadmap/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 11, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Can't turn around in a year and say right no vaccine let's all get back to playing after saying about no play until social distancing ends. Social distancing will be here until a vaccine is found end of story.

'course you can.

If someone discovers an easily administered treatment therapy that reduces case mortality to <0.001% then you'll see changes very quickly.

Stop trying to deal in absolutes, its just stupid.
That's one helluva big if.
Medical opinion is pretty unanimous that a working vaccine won't be available until the end of the year. I take anything else I hear as fake news. E
When when a vaccine is discovered, all hell will break loose as the vaccine will not be made available to all - the rich and powerful nations will head the queue and the rest of us can go suck the hind tit.
I agree with Larry that until  a vaccine is found, and freely availabe, safe distancing will be with us.

In fairness he said treatment not vaccine. There are some drugs out there currently used to treat other things that are being tested as a treatment against covid 19. They have already been clinically trialled sonar safe to use. IF one of those could fight the virus it would be a game changer and it should come before a vaccine. A number are currently being tested.
Fair point, Itchy but for all practical purposes, a vaccine is needed. One can experiment with other drugs/treatments thast may slow the progress of the virus or boost peoples' immune systems or whatever, but nothing, ASAIK, will stop the virus in its tracks except a working vaccine, which has still to be created.
Incidentally, I am one of the unlucky ones who contracted the bastard. I wonder if any/many Gaaboard members fell foul of it also. I was cat lucky because I am over 70 and have a serious underlying health problem (kidney failure) so that was a double whammy. However, although I was hospitalised in a bad way, I pepped up and was released 4 days later.
Thankfully, I am making a complete recovery with no lasting ill effects. (At least I hope not.)(

Glad to hear you made a recovery. Agreed the holy grail is a vaccine. However when you consider the challenge in front of government (and they have to be quite cold about it) they need to balance opening back up normal life versus risk of death. Would "treatments" that reduce death rate from 4% to 1% (made up numbers) be ok verus getting businesses and sports and whatever running again. I cant answer that. Obviously in this made up scenario, we'd all prefer 1% to be 0%. If 1% is not ok then what number is, obviously zero is best but zero probably requires a vacine.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on May 13, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 13, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
Exactly hound
Regardless of what you do in life it will always have a risk attached
You may break your leg on a pitch but not likely
You may catch the virus on the pitch and likely not to die
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 13, 2020, 05:34:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.


And, the under 40s who are sufficiently fit and able to play competitive team sport won't be the same as the under 40s who are likely to fall seriously ill if they catch a virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 14, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

That's the reserve leagues f**ked then.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on May 14, 2020, 10:59:46 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.

Getting food and taking some exercise alone/with your household are essential for physical and mental well being. Much and all as we love it, playing gaelic games are not. I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend for people.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on May 14, 2020, 11:01:08 AM
Lar - sorry to hear you contracted Covid19. Delighted you're recovering well. Take care.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2020, 11:37:19 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.

You can do groceries and maintain 2m social distance and good hygiene. You cannot play a game of football and do either. Why are you intentionally making comparisons that are just simply ridiculous. The under 40 will likely be unaffected, what about the people this under 40 comes in contact with or are they just collateral damage?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 14, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
It's also about protecting the healthcare system from being overloaded. Some would argue that is the chief concern.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 14, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
It's also about protecting the healthcare system from being overloaded. Some would argue that is the chief concern.

That was the basis upon which it was mooted and implemented in the first place.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smort on May 14, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

I live with someone vulnerable, I couldn't go back to football then. And we have boys who work as carers. And one of our backroom team has an elderly parent who lives with him. That's just off the top of my head, could be more. Soon down a good few numbers.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2020, 12:23:46 PM
There's an argument that under 40s should be let play away (and work away for that matter). The number of deaths in this age group from Covid is tiny and almost all with an underlying condition. So as much chance of dying from a sudden heart attack as Covid-19.

Obviously there'd need to be common sense, nobody with even a cold should be playing or attending games. People who have asthma or who are obese should stay away too, but I think a coherent case could be made to allow the healthy U40s try and get back to normal. (I'm over 40 by the way so should be kept under current lockdown measures for a little while longer!)

Totally missing the point. the less than 40 year old can get infected, can take up a hospital bed, can put strain on our hospital and front line workers, can infect their work colleagues, can spread disease to the vulnerable and yet as you say only a tiny amount of them will die.

Very very few healthy under 40s need hospitalisation when they catch Covid-19.

There'll always be risk. And if going out to do groceries and take exercise is acceptable risk to society, then letting healthy under 40s play ball is increasing that risk by a tiny amount compared to the benefits it will have.

Hound - do you really think the risk is increased by a tiny amount?

Say all precautions were taken - no changing rooms/huddle/team talk etc - you are right that it would be a tiny risk.

But comparing playing in the middle of a game with doing groceries/taking exercise is absolutely ludicrous
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2020, 01:34:21 PM
Where does Cluborcounty propose to dump the elderly, sick, disabled etc?
Presumably only elderly sick or disabled carers, medics etc will be allowed look after them?
And I expect no visits from family etc.

Sounds a bit like Germany from 1933....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.

Not one single person is saying that.

Of course no one is saying that. It's utterly disgusting. But whether they realise it or not, that's where these suggestions lead.

Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 14, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?
If it's a choice between football or not having contact with your parents for the foreseeable I think the GAA will take a big hit.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 14, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

Not one single person is saying that. What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

So if a young, healthy footballer lives with anyone old, vulnerable etc either they dont play and also isolate or they are shit out of luck and have to find a new home for the forseeable future in order to play ball?

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?
If it's a choice between football or not having contact with your parents for the foreseeable I think the GAA will take a big hit.

But it seems some people are willing to take that hit & play on which seems madness
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?

It is never a matter of saying f**k the elderly and vulnerable.

If there are neither games nor gatherings in the medium term, there is no GAA and not much community either.

While the GAA is indeed built on the community, the reverse tends to apply too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

Oh, and there's a vaccine for the flu!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM

as opposed to being shit out of luck and unable to play ball because competitions have semi-permanently ceased?

And who will pay for this new house? The GAA?

The GAA is built on the community aspect but are we going to say f**k the elderly and vulnerable now?

It is never a matter of saying f**k the elderly and vulnerable.

If there are neither games nor gatherings in the medium term, there is no GAA and not much community either.

While the GAA is indeed built on the community, the reverse tends to apply too.

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:20:06 PM

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make

There will always be people who are vulnerable or elderly, or both.

By your yardstick, will there ever be a good time for GAA activities to resume?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on May 14, 2020, 02:46:30 PM
Despite the PR campaign put out by our Government  far more people have been infected in Ireland than  the UK or The us
apart from Microstates we are behind only Spain in the World  per head of population.
check out https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

its very way to take the unthinking  autocratic route and just ban every thing .
it takes a bit more guile to think of ways life can go one despite the dangers involved .
our way of doing things is not the only or even the best way .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:20:06 PM

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make

There will always be people who are vulnerable or elderly, or both.

By your yardstick, will there ever be a good time for GAA activities to resume?
When " Social distancing" is no longer required, as stated by John Horan last Sunday night.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2020, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 02:20:06 PM

Even if its in the distant future the GAA wont disappear - we will come back strong.

Unfortunately if the vulnerable or elderly catch Covid they will disappear forever.

Seems a pretty easy distinction and choice to make

There will always be people who are vulnerable or elderly, or both.

By your yardstick, will there ever be a good time for GAA activities to resume?

What about your yards stick, comparing the death rates of Flu to Covid effectively? 1500 people have died since our first death on March 11th in the republic (dont have 6 counties info to hand). Thats 8 weeks and that includes a substantial lock down. Flu is not as dangerous as this and its disingenuous to use flu in any comparisons.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?

Humanity has lived with the flu for a couple of thousand years and seems to have come to terms with the risk it poses.

COVID-19 is six months old, and we have no grasp of its medium to long term impact. Until we have a solution, or get our heads around a world where this virus exists, the only sensible thing to do is to attempt to mitigate its impact by all means possible. If that means no football for a year or two, then so be it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 14, 2020, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2020, 02:46:30 PM
Despite the PR campaign put out by our Government  far more people have been infected in Ireland than  the UK or The us
apart from Microstates we are behind only Spain in the World  per head of population.
check out https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

its very way to take the unthinking  autocratic route and just ban every thing .
it takes a bit more guile to think of ways life can go one despite the dangers involved .
our way of doing things is not the only or even the best way .

Ireland to be fair has done more testing  per million population which finds more infected cases. That fact some countries ran out of beds and ICU space and had to call in hospital ships tells you situations was far worse than reported in some other countries. Thankfully that never happened in Ireland.

Good to hear you are one the 19,470 people in Ireland that has made a recovery Lar.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smort on May 14, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?

Humanity has lived with the flu for a couple of thousand years and seems to have come to terms with the risk it poses.

COVID-19 is six months old, and we have no grasp of its medium to long term impact. Until we have a solution, or get our heads around a world where this virus exists, the only sensible thing to do is to attempt to mitigate its impact by all means possible. If that means no football for a year or two, then so be it.

This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: smort on May 14, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means

You won't sustain a club for too long on remote quizzes, food drops and litter picking. Especially when competing sports get going again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?

Humanity has lived with the flu for a couple of thousand years and seems to have come to terms with the risk it poses.

COVID-19 is six months old, and we have no grasp of its medium to long term impact. Until we have a solution, or get our heads around a world where this virus exists, the only sensible thing to do is to attempt to mitigate its impact by all means possible. If that means no football for a year or two, then so be it.

That's fair enough, once we also remember there is a social and human cost to suspending games for a year or two.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on May 14, 2020, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
This flu comparison stuff is really doing my head in. It is completely disingenuous. Though I know it happens to plenty of people especially elderly and vulnerable, I don't know of anyone that has been hospitalized or died of flu in my lifetime. I live in a place that has compared reasonably well in comparison to other places in Ireland and the UK during this pandemic, and in a very short space of time I know several people who have died, even more that have been hospitalized and plenty more who have been very very sick. Some of these people, including those who died, and hospitalized, were fit healthy adults ranging from in their 30s to 50s. It is nothing like the flu. It actually scares me how many people need to see this on their doorstep before they believe the severity of the whole thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 14, 2020, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
This flu comparison stuff is really doing my head in. It is completely disingenuous. Though I know it happens to plenty of people especially elderly and vulnerable, I don't know of anyone that has been hospitalized or died of flu in my lifetime. I live in a place that has compared reasonably well in comparison to other places in Ireland and the UK during this pandemic, and in a very short space of time I know several people who have died, even more that have been hospitalized and plenty more who have been very very sick. Some of these people, including those who died, and hospitalized, were fit healthy adults ranging from in their 30s to 50s. It is nothing like the flu. It actually scares me how many people need to see this on their doorstep before they believe the severity of the whole thing.

No such comparison was made though. A question was asked.

Btw, I guarantee you know of people who have previously been hospitalized or died of flu. It is one of the biggest killers every year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: smort on May 14, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means

You won't sustain a club for too long on remote quizzes, food drops and litter picking. Especially when competing sports get going again.

Let me get this straight - are you happy to get the GAA up and running again so that we dont lose ground on other sports regardless of mortality rates among the GAA community?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 14, 2020, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: smort on May 14, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
This. I don't see how there can be football until we have a vaccine. And five points, clubs up and down the country are still active with training videos/challenges, quizzes, fundraisers, video calls, litter picking, food drops, old recordings of matches/events...the GAA is the at the heart of most communities and a lot of clubs are continuing with that via different means

You won't sustain a club for too long on remote quizzes, food drops and litter picking. Especially when competing sports get going again.

Let me get this straight - are you happy to get the GAA up and running again so that we dont lose ground on other sports regardless of mortality rates among the GAA community?

My playing days are over. And my county and club are both highly unlikely to land silverware this year or next, regardless of when or if we restart. So I have no dog in this fight.

It will be up to GAA top brass to decide  But if a vaccine isn't found for several years, (and medics keep warning me its unlikely), and we remain shut in the meantime, there mightn't be much left to restart.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: HiMucker on May 14, 2020, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 14, 2020, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: five points on May 14, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.

If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season.

Except that COVID-19 is much more infectious and has a much greater mortality rate than seasonal flu. This info has been available for weeks, keep up.

So your argument is about rates. At what mortality rates are you happy to see GAA games  and activities take place during the flu season?
This flu comparison stuff is really doing my head in. It is completely disingenuous. Though I know it happens to plenty of people especially elderly and vulnerable, I don't know of anyone that has been hospitalized or died of flu in my lifetime. I live in a place that has compared reasonably well in comparison to other places in Ireland and the UK during this pandemic, and in a very short space of time I know several people who have died, even more that have been hospitalized and plenty more who have been very very sick. Some of these people, including those who died, and hospitalized, were fit healthy adults ranging from in their 30s to 50s. It is nothing like the flu. It actually scares me how many people need to see this on their doorstep before they believe the severity of the whole thing.

No such comparison was made though. A question was asked.

Btw, I guarantee you know of people who have previously been hospitalized or died of flu. It is one of the biggest killers every year.
"If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season" Really your not making any comparisons to flu?
Given that some governments made a complete balls of the thing comparing it to flu in early stages, you would think one would be careful even mentioning it on this subject. It has very little relevance apart from the similar method of transmission.

On your second point. You may be right, but a single person doesn't  spring to mind. Though Im certain, there wasn't a heap of them in the last 8 years never mind the last 8 weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 14, 2020, 04:49:46 PM
"If this was true, entire countries would shut down annually for the duration of the flu season" Really your not making any comparisons to flu?
Given that some governments made a complete balls of the thing comparing it to flu in early stages, you would think one would be careful even mentioning it on this subject. It has very little relevance apart from the similar method of transmission.
I'll mention it wherever I like thanks. Mentions and comparisons are two separate things.

Quote
On your second point. You may be right, but a single person doesn't  spring to mind. Though Im certain, there wasn't a heap of them in the last 8 years never mind the last 8 weeks.

If you know of anyone who has died in a nursing home or hospital during the months January to March in any given year, there is a good chance that they died of flu. It is the number one contributor to hospital overcrowding every year at that time of year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2020, 05:48:28 PM
Five points is right. We have paralysed society and the GAA for long enough. Time to open up. This flu has its dangers like almost every flu but some stuff blown away up.
No vaccine no GAA? Catch yourself on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2020, 05:57:38 PM
Does the flu injection not work in 5Pointland?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 14, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2020, 05:57:38 PM
Does the flu injection not work in 5Pointland?
Hilarious. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/number-of-flu-deaths-hits-22-but-outbreak-may-have-peaked-1.4129014
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 14, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.

Not one single person is saying that.

Of course no one is saying that. It's utterly disgusting. But whether they realise it or not, that's where these suggestions lead.

Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
What people are saying is that we have very defined sections of the community that are at a much much higher risk from this awful disease, yet at the moment we are in total lockdown for everyone (barring essential workers etc...). There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

This is great and all, but it just won't work in the real world. The 'shielding' strategy will never be airtight enough that you can afford to have a huge proportion of the population running around unchecked. The best way to keep death tolls down is to keep infections down across the entire population. Unless you don't really care about death tolls, because it's mostly just old and fat people dying and they don't matter.
Bolded bits are spot on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we can't do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so I'd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we won't be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 14, 2020, 08:26:28 PM
Yeah but it really shouldn't come back before social distancing goes away...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we can't do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so I'd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we won't be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . It's a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & it's way more serious of a threat than we think .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2020, 07:20:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2020, 05:48:28 PM
Five points is right. We have paralysed society and the GAA for long enough. Time to open up. This flu has its dangers like almost every flu but some stuff blown away up.
No vaccine no GAA? Catch yourself on.
So just asking, are you proposing ending the lockdown altogether and letting everyone go out?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 08:03:28 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 15, 2020, 07:20:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2020, 05:48:28 PM
Five points is right. We have paralysed society and the GAA for long enough. Time to open up. This flu has its dangers like almost every flu but some stuff blown away up.
No vaccine no GAA? Catch yourself on.
So just asking, are you proposing ending the lockdown altogether and letting everyone go out?

There are a few posters on this thread that seems to be saying anything just to get a reaction.

This could be one of them SB
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 09:00:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we can't do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so I'd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we won't be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . It's a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & it's way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you don't tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how it's like Nazi Germany 🤯.
It's ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesn't suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldn't play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didn't know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of 'players don't want to play', which was totally  disingenuous.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 09:00:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we can't do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so I'd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we won't be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . It's a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & it's way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you don't tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how it's like Nazi Germany 🤯.
It's ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesn't suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldn't play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didn't know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of 'players don't want to play', which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:08:09 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.

Not sure where I have said that?

I want the GAA to get going as soon as it is SAFE to do so - I dont want it going back if it could cause the death of the elderly & vulnerable in our own community
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:08:09 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.

Not sure where I have said that?

I want the GAA to get going as soon as it is SAFE to do so - I dont want it going back if it could cause the death of the elderly & vulnerable in our own community

You seem glad to point out that clubs won't have enough players to field teams. If John Horan announces a restart plan next week or next month on the basis of medical advice, please tell me you won't object on such phony grounds.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:08:09 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter

You seem to be hoping that the GAA will fail to get going again for the foreseeable future. Odd.

Not sure where I have said that?

I want the GAA to get going as soon as it is SAFE to do so - I dont want it going back if it could cause the death of the elderly & vulnerable in our own community

You seem glad to point out that clubs won't have enough players to field teams. If John Horan announces a restart plan next week or next month on the basis of medical advice, please tell me you won't object on such phony grounds.

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??

Not really phony is it unless players change their mind based on medical evidence.

If the medical advice comes that players families arent are risk of dying do you think the players wont play?

::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:27:09 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
If the GAA give the go ahead to go back and someone doesn't want to I would respect that totally but to say teams won't field? Where you getting that out off?
Slovenia have now officially ended the pandemic and have been out of lockdown from April 20.
No I don't expect things to go back to normal just yet
In terms of the GAA
No indoor changing or half time etc
If sick stay at home
Limit supporters
Training to start but no contact for a month
Hand sanitizer entering the grounds and everywhere around the club
Bring your own water bottle
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:27:09 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.

Nice problem to have - in addition to 'forget' about 2 or 3 clubs because they are worried about members of their family dying isnt really in our ethos is it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 09:00:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we can't do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so I'd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we won't be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . It's a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & it's way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you don't tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how it's like Nazi Germany 🤯.
It's ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesn't suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldn't play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didn't know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of 'players don't want to play', which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Or you could say almost 2/3 are prepared to play with potentially a lot more. All depends on your perspective doesn't it.
I have to say the narrative from some people on here is very worrying. Just because myself and a couple of other posters are saying that we should return when the medical professionals advising the government and the GAA say so, it is being equated to not caring about if old or sick die. Horrible ascertain to make against people.
The fact of the matter is this is not a black and white issue and, as experts have said, waiting for a vaccine to return to any semblance of normality is a non starter as there is no guarantee we ever will find one. So saying that we should let those who want to play play (when advised too by the experts) is NOT saying we don't care about our communities or we are like Germany in the 30's.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:27:09 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.

Nice problem to have - in addition to 'forget' about 2 or 3 clubs because they are worried about members of their family dying isnt really in our ethos is it?

Again you seem hell-bent on having nobody at all playing.

Me, I'd much prefer to see 100% of clubs in action, but if this isn't possible, I'd settle for 90%. Or even 50%.

This doesn't mean that anyone is forgotten btw. The GAA has survived worse in the past including when players, officials and supporters were murdered for being GAA people. We didn't throw in the towel then. Why should we now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 09:00:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we can't do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so I'd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we won't be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . It's a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & it's way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you don't tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how it's like Nazi Germany 🤯.
It's ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesn't suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldn't play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didn't know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of 'players don't want to play', which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Or you could say almost 2/3 are prepared to play with potentially a lot more. All depends on your perspective doesn't it.
I have to say the narrative from some people on here is very worrying. Just because myself and a couple of other posters are saying that we should return when the medical professionals advising the government and the GAA say so, it is being equated to not caring about if old or sick die. Horrible ascertain to make against people.
The fact of the matter is this is not a black and white issue and, as experts have said, waiting for a vaccine to return to any semblance of normality is a non starter as there is no guarantee we ever will find one. So saying that we should let those who want to play play (when advised too by the experts) is NOT saying we don't care about our communities or we are like Germany in the 30's.

Who has said we should not return when medical professionals say it is safe?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 12:27:09 PM

Glad to point it out? Its a fact - almost a quarter of players wont play with 1/5 undecided.

How many clubs could field with that many players missing??



In my county, all apart from 2 or 3 of the weaker junior clubs.

Nice problem to have - in addition to 'forget' about 2 or 3 clubs because they are worried about members of their family dying isnt really in our ethos is it?

Again you seem hell-bent on having nobody at all playing.

Me, I'd much prefer to see 100% of clubs in action, but if this isn't possible, I'd settle for 90%. Or even 50%.

This doesn't mean that anyone is forgotten btw. The GAA has survived worse in the past including when players, officials and supporters were murdered for being GAA people. We didn't throw in the towel then. Why should we now?

Who is throwing in the towel?

I said we should come back when it is safe to do so & everyone can play ball?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
The 2 bucks obviously got out the wrong side of the bed this morning and want to have a row with someone!
As John Horan said the GAA will be guided by the public health advice but won't be returning while Social Distancing is required.
How long before Social distancing won't be a requirement?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 09:00:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 06:48:53 PM
To all the experts on here repeating verbatim that we can't do anything till we have a vaccine.....a virologist was on the tv today (so I'd suggest a little more qualified that most on here), and stated that the world has never created a vaccine for any of the coronavirus strands (sars etc..), in fact in history the only vaccine for a virus similar to this was the vaccine for smallpox. Even the much compared Spanish flu was never cured. So if you seriously think that we won't be returning to things like football before a vaccine is found then you are very much wrong. As minister Harris said weeks and weeks ago, we have to find a way to live with the virus.

Who are you to call it ? There are reports in the public domain from club managers the last 48hrs telling you some of their players are not willing to risk bringing the virus to their home if they had to play before social distancing is lifted.

There will be no football this year and it will be a case of seeing how the virus progresses by next year to see if it is possible for football in 21 .

For now and the foreseeable the world is a very different place the pre covid19. Living with the virus does not mean gung   ho  off ye go . There will always be restrictions till cure or vaccine . It's a very bleak period , there is nothing positive at all about covid19  & it's way more serious of a threat than we think .
I am no one to call it, I am giving my opinion which is what a discussion board is about, albeit it appears if you don't tow the party line on here you are attacked with ridiculous comments about wanting people to die and how it's like Nazi Germany 🤯.
It's ironic that you question who should call it yet you (And others on here) totally ignore the fact that the actual experts, those who have put us into lockdown and are advising on the government strategy have laid out a plan for resumption of normal life (and within this football) and yet because it doesn't suit your narrative you and others question it. You must know better than the CMO and the virologists.
Also with regards club managers saying players wouldn't play, the survey carried out by the Club Players Association indicated that only 22% of players said they would not play (57% would and 21% didn't know), if you factor in the likely hood of players with underlaying health issues like asthma etc... this is to be expected. However (for those talking about government spin) the spin from the CPA was headlines of 'players don't want to play', which was totally  disingenuous.

So almost a quarter of players said they wont play with a further 1/5 undecided.

Means many many teams wouldnt have the numbers to field - simple fact of the matter
Or you could say almost 2/3 are prepared to play with potentially a lot more. All depends on your perspective doesn't it.
I have to say the narrative from some people on here is very worrying. Just because myself and a couple of other posters are saying that we should return when the medical professionals advising the government and the GAA say so, it is being equated to not caring about if old or sick die. Horrible ascertain to make against people.
The fact of the matter is this is not a black and white issue and, as experts have said, waiting for a vaccine to return to any semblance of normality is a non starter as there is no guarantee we ever will find one. So saying that we should let those who want to play play (when advised too by the experts) is NOT saying we don't care about our communities or we are like Germany in the 30's.

Who has said we should not return when medical professionals say it is safe?
The road map is saying we should be back in July. This is the roadmap laid out by the medical professionals advising the government, therefore they are saying it is safe to go back and play whist social distancing is still taking place in some aspects of life....yet yourself and others are saying this should not happen. That's the very essence of the last few pages of this thread.
Btw in my very first post on this issue I have said that I don't think we will see football this year and i don't think the roadmap with follow as it's laid out.....BUT if the medical professionals and the government are saying it is safe to do so in July then the players who want too should be allowed too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
The 2 bucks obviously got out the wrong side of the bed this morning and want to have a row with someone!
As John Horan said the GAA will be guided by the public health advice but won't be returning while Social Distancing is required.
How long before Social distancing won't be a requirement?
I don't want a row with anyone, you are the one in a previous post who made ridiculous comments about  Germany etc...god forbid someone would have a different opinion to yourself. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2020, 01:53:15 PM
I think you will find the medical advise the government received was to go back full playing July 20 and full contact June 28 as it stands
Do you think that was put in without medical advise?
Horans words on Sunday were his own and he want on a solo run to try make a name for himself
What part of the governments roadmap are you not getting?
Where has it been mentioned that a vaccine is the only answer?
And don't come back with the social distancing crap when I drive into my local town people are on top of each other in shops takeaways etc
Wise up
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 15, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
Then they said the GAA wasn't full contact so it's very hard to go exactly on that ???

People are meant to be social distancing. The fact that people in your town aren't is irrelevant. If we went by that rationale then we should just abandon lockdown.

(Also it's interesting you quote medical advice on the GAA front but social distancing is crap despite it being medical advice?)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
The 2 bucks obviously got out the wrong side of the bed this morning and want to have a row with someone!
As John Horan said the GAA will be guided by the public health advice but won't be returning while Social Distancing is required.
How long before Social distancing won't be a requirement?
I don't want a row with anyone, you are the one in a previous post who made ridiculous comments about  Germany etc...god forbid someone would have a different opinion to yourself.
Everyone can have what opinions they want but Taylor, me and others are entitled to put a different opinion or to criticise the content of opinions.
As for the Germany bit I was responding to you saying old and vulnerable people should be removed from their households so younger members of the households could go off playing football 😉.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
I'm not saying social distancing is pointless. It's good but people now need to just be careful and stay in the distance where possible. This lockdown was brought in to flatten the curve not to prevent it. The curve is flattened in fact it has been buried. Buried
Now it's time to start things moving and get back to the NEW normal
Now you see the way I said new normal.
As I stated earlier in the things that will be new around GAA clubs. Cancer kills 450 people in the uk a day would you know?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 15, 2020, 03:27:43 PM
Didn't know the stats but it's larger than I would have thought on the cancer front. (Though with the contagiousness of this and the many hospices there are about then it means there are a lot of things different e.g. ICU load, palliative care etc)

It does just have to be a new normal. It just wouldn't seem right to be cautious in every aspect of your life but not when you go on a football field.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldn't, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we don't care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldn't, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we don't care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.

Seems you have selectively ignored the rest of my post? I await your thoughts on that

Up to a third (which would be 33%)..........22% are definitely out - 21% didnt know so if we say half will go for and half will go against playing that would be a third. Hence up to a third
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:39:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldn't, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we don't care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.

Seems you have selectively ignored the rest of my post? I await your thoughts on that

Up to a third (which would be 33%)..........22% are definitely out - 21% didnt know so if we say half will go for and half will go against playing that would be a third. Hence up to a third
I have already addressed the rest of you post repeatedly. I will follow what the medical advisors say not what someone with no expertise (apologises if you are a virologist) in the areas says on a forum. Every single GAA player has a choice, it is a voluntary organisation and I am saying that they should be given the choice when the medical advice says so. You think different, you want to wait beyond what the advice currently is. That's fine, it's your prerogative.
Ok so to counter your sums I will say that you to 68%, or possibly as high as even 3/4 say they will play. Of those who have given an answer more than 2.5 times more want to play than dont, so again, do these players not count?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:39:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
This seems pretty hard for people to grasp.

If medical advice is we are good to go with contact sport then I want the GAA up and running asap but until it is proven to be medically safe I would not want to return.

I would not want to see one of our members or family of our members die because we rushed it.

For someone to say it would be grand to play on is frankly ludicrous. When up to a third of our players said they dont feel comfortable - they dont feel comfortable because it isnt safe not because they couldnt be arsed

Again being very selective with the figures there. Up too a third..the reality is it was 22% who actually said they wouldn't, a long way short of a third and short of a quarter. What about those that do want too? Do they not count?

As for Rossfan, you are 100% entitled to your opinion and can certainly disagree with my point of view but you are not untitled to put words in other posters mouths and make ridiculous claims like we don't care about people. You a other seems to take your opinion as fact and resort to sensationalist statements to bring others down.  Also at no time did I say we should move people out of their homes, I said they should continue to cocoon/isolate as the should be doing now.

Seems you have selectively ignored the rest of my post? I await your thoughts on that

Up to a third (which would be 33%)..........22% are definitely out - 21% didnt know so if we say half will go for and half will go against playing that would be a third. Hence up to a third
I have already addressed the rest of you post repeatedly. I will follow what the medical advisors say not what someone with no expertise (apologises if you are a virologist) in the areas says on a forum. Every single GAA player has a choice, it is a voluntary organisation and I am saying that they should be given the choice when the medical advice says so. You think different, you want to wait beyond what the advice currently is. That's fine, it's your prerogative.
Ok so to counter your sums I will say that you to 68%, or possibly as high as even 3/4 say they will play. Of those who have given an answer more than 2.5 times more want to play than dont, so again, do these players not count?

Please do point out where I said this?
Point out where I said we should not play when medical advice says we can?  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
You've literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be 'removed from their homes'. So thank you for proving my point.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
You've literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be 'removed from their homes'. So thank you for proving my point.

So is your advice to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it or is it to follow medical advice?

Two massively differing opinions.

Its ok to change your mind
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 05:37:56 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 15, 2020, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
You've literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be 'removed from their homes'. So thank you for proving my point.

So is your advice to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it or is it to follow medical advice?

Two massively differing opinions.

Its ok to change your mind

Not massively different at all. I said this was the way forward, meaning once we get to the stage we can safely play football, not right now. For those of you who want to twist what I say or put words in mouth....I want footballers to have the choice to ply football when the medical advice says it is safe to do so (at present this is July). Along side this, and to limit infection, if it is still necessary, I think that those in the vulnerable categories should continue to cocoon as the have been. If you actually read the government time table this is pretty much what they are proposing. The vulnerable will not be in line with everyone else, in terms of the restrictions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 06:43:20 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 15, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.
You've literally just proved my point. Nowhere in that do I say they should be 'removed from their homes'. So thank you for proving my point.
A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 15, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 06:43:20 PM

A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......

The first lesson of the new normal is that if you are living at home with a parent or someone else who has recently had cancer, you need either to get out of the house, or live like a hermit if you wish to stay.

This has nothing to do with football. Anyone who is prepared to selfishly put a parent's health at risk will do it anyway regardless of whether there's football to play.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 16, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
Hopefully this group will be of some assistance

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0516/1138803-government-establishes-return-to-sport-expert-group/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 16, 2020, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
Hopefully this group will be of some assistance

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0516/1138803-government-establishes-return-to-sport-expert-group/

Anyone here got the call yet?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2020, 08:34:29 PM
How about a bit of Banty?

Quote
President Horan wanted to lower expectations on GAA return says Monaghan boss.

"I think John Horan's ambition on Sunday night was to put a dampener on any possibility or any hope of playing football in 2020. If that was his ambition, to lower expectations, he succeeded," said the Corduff man.

"I would have a lot more hope than that. The Irish government and the Irish health service have done a tremendous job in flattening the curve, and deadening the curve nearly.

"I would be hopeful that the risk could be abated by the time they're talking about if we keep suppressing the numbers. You're down to very small numbers of cases every day in Ireland; it's decreasing. The trend that it's on, we could be at zero by July. If we were, then that risk is gone. I'm hoping we have a chance, and maybe the gun was pulled too early here.

"To be fair to John, his comments were in relation to if social distancing was still in place. He was very specific about that. It was maybe just a case of being cautious and careful rather than anything else."

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2020, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 06:43:20 PM

A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......

The first lesson of the new normal is that if you are living at home with a parent or someone else who has recently had cancer, you need either to get out of the house, or live like a hermit if you wish to stay.

There are countless elderly that are reliant on younger siblings/their children/relatives for day-to-day support... which involves more than dropping groceries at the front door.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 16, 2020, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 16, 2020, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
Hopefully this group will be of some assistance

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0516/1138803-government-establishes-return-to-sport-expert-group/

Anyone here got the call yet?

I hope Banty and Colm O Rourke dont get a call
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 16, 2020, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2020, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: five points on May 15, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 06:43:20 PM

A 25 year old living in a household wants to play football.
Oh good let him at it.
His mother who has cancer has to be kept hidden away somewhere from the selfish little bolx.
But as long as you didn't actually type "remove her from her house" .......

The first lesson of the new normal is that if you are living at home with a parent or someone else who has recently had cancer, you need either to get out of the house, or live like a hermit if you wish to stay.

There are countless elderly that are reliant on younger siblings/their children/relatives for day-to-day support... which involves more than dropping groceries at the front door.

And...?  These people need to live like hermits at the moment and as long as this crisis persists. That doesn't stop everyone else from doing what they can as permitted by regulations.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 17, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

I'm interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I can't see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 17, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
I'd go with Karen's expert advice before Banty's.
I suppose like most managers he's missing th'oul "expenses".

I don't know Larry nor do most people.
If there isn't a vaccine or at least a cure the World will have to learn to live alongside the Covid. What will that entail?
And how will amateur  team sport operate?
Will players have to wear visors? Will spectators have to wear masks or be sprayed with disinfectants entering or leaving venues?
Or will the Covid read Banty's piece and feck off in early July?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 17, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 17, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

I'm interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I can't see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?

The Govt is managing expectations .
The next 6 weeks will tell a lot about how strong the virus is.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 17, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
The reality is Larry no one really knows. I don't think there is enough of an understanding of this from anyone anywhere experts or not.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 17, 2020, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
I'd go with Karen's expert advice before Banty's.


An upgrade on Karen.

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Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 17, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
 ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on May 17, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 17, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

I'm interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I can't see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?

I'm no medical expert, but unless we find a vaccine I can't see how we can errardicate or get rid of the virus. I look at South Korea last week. They reopened their pubs/nightclubs and it was a disaster after just one weekend. It is hard to see any large sporting gatherings here anytime soon.

For what its worth I think the government have been dealing pretty well with the pandemic. They might have made mistakes but no Irish government has ever had to deal with anything like this.

What annoys me is all the idiots on social media who think they're Covid-19 experts criticising the government for everything they do.

Gemma O'Doherty & John Walters are obviously on a different scale. I'd love to know who financed their trip to the high court for their farcical hearing. There's no way those lunatics paid for it themselves




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 17, 2020, 07:15:27 PM
I would agree. Barring old people's homes I  think the south have done pretty well all things considered. That Gemma o'doherty  should be locked up as much for her own good as anyone else's.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on May 17, 2020, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2020, 07:15:27 PM
I would agree. Barring old people's homes I  think the south have done pretty well all things considered. That Gemma o'doherty  should be locked up as much for her own good as anyone else's.

The old peoples home was a pretty big f**king miss though.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on May 17, 2020, 07:39:34 PM
Yeah and not to defend it but it seems everyone has done it. Even Sweden.

I live in "the north" so how anyone has handled it looks good compared to this shots how. (more due to Johnson to be honest).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 17, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
Does anyone think some people are in lala land about how long this is going to be with us . I see a quote from Banty above about the virus leaving us completely by July . Some scientists have said it will be with us for years . This is what is so confusing , the dramatic contrast in predictions. 

I'm interested to know what other mere mortals like myself think , I can't see how we will have a full house Croke park for years tbh , does anyone else fear that ?

I'm with Banty on this. Viruses never ever go away all of a sudden but die off gradually and the effects of this one will in the coming weeks and months be countered by better and more effective treatments and procedures. If it is a long time before we again see a full Croke Park that will be more because of people's natural caution than any pressing medical reason.

But that's just my opinion. Others may think differently.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 18, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:17:31 AM

I'm with Banty on this. Viruses never ever go away all of a sudden but the effects of this one will in the coming weeks and months be countered by better and more effective treatments and procedures.
You don't know that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 18, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:17:31 AM

I'm with Banty on this. Viruses never ever go away all of a sudden but the effects of this one will in the coming weeks and months be countered by better and more effective treatments and procedures.
You don't know that.

... which is why I said...
Quote
But that's just my opinion. Others may think differently.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this but one thing that seems to stop a lot of 'the GAA are a joke keeping the gates closed' merchants who seem to be out in force in Twitter and FB is when the question arises of who is going to monitor the grounds when groups are there.

When have people ever fully complied with anything in Ireland and there is no way this is going to be any different.
And let's also get real if the U16s get on the WhatsApp groups for a kick-about 30 will show up and then the mammies and daddies who were screaming to open the pitches while they sit at home will blame the GAA if anything comes up.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this but one thing that seems to stop a lot of 'the GAA are a joke keeping the gates closed' merchants is when the question arises of who is going to monitor the grounds when groups are there.


Colm O'Rourke nailed this in his Sindo column yesterday. GAA members and players are walking and running the roads because the walking tracks at pitches are closed. Every day this gets more dangerous as traffic increases. Nobody is monitoring that. Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:50:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.

If lack of insurance cover is the issue, it should be restored. Tom Ryan can do that at the stroke of a pen. After all, clubs paid for it and it is outrageous that it was withdrawn in the first place.

Does St Pats Navan even have a public walking track?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 01:27:20 PM
What is peoples rush with getting GAA grounds open so soon?

There is a Global Pandemic - it is not medically safe to open them yet or to return to games - when it is medically safe the gates will open and it will resume.

I cant see how some people have an issue with it - particularly some on Twitter who have vested interests in getting games back ($$$$)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on May 18, 2020, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.

Where is this stated?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:36:13 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 01:27:20 PM
What is peoples rush with getting GAA grounds open so soon?


Quote
Colm O'Rourke nailed this in his Sindo column yesterday. GAA members and players are walking and running the roads because the walking tracks at pitches are closed. Every day this gets more dangerous as traffic increases. Nobody is monitoring that. Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2020, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Why now? Ah come on there is a global pandemic and there is zero insurance cover right now so the club is fucked if it opens the gates without that.
Colm should take a lead and open up the grounds of St Pats in Navan to help anyone within a 5km radius get some exercise in a safe zone.

Where is this stated?

I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on May 18, 2020, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Here's the thing.  Mummy will go for a socially distanced walk round the track with her mates.  She'll take her four children with a ball who will kick it about the field (so will her mates).  Before long the field will be full of young kids and the secretary/chairman will have to come and clear the field and mummy will call the secretary/chairman all the names of the day for doing so.  Inevitable rows will happen.

There should be no half way house here. The walkways open when the grounds open.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: mackers on May 18, 2020, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
Nobody needed to monitor walking tracks when they were open, why now?
Here's the thing.  Mummy will go for a socially distanced walk round the track with her mates.  She'll take her four children with a ball who will kick it about the field (so will her mates).  Before long the field will be full of young kids and the secretary/chairman will have to come and clear the field and mummy will call the secretary/chairman all the names of the day for doing so.  Inevitable rows will happen.

There should be no half way house here. The walkways open when the grounds open.

So make them run and walk on the roads, until someone gets killed?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oakleafgael on May 18, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

That's incorrect, look at the date it was posted. It was made clear to all Clubs that the only people who should be on Club property at the minute are those carrying out maintenance works.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 18, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

That's incorrect, look at the date it was posted. It was made clear to all Clubs that the only people who should be on Club property at the minute are those carrying out maintenance works.

You are right, sadly. https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/latest-gaa-update-on-covid-19/

"Please be advised that, in line with recent government announcements, these measures and closures are now extended to Sunday April 19 inclusive, at which stage arrangements will be reviewed.

In addition, we are now instructing GAA Clubs to close their facilities completely.

This is to include the use of all pitches and property for recreational purposes, including walking, casual games or gatherings."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: joemamas on May 18, 2020, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

Q,

Why doesn't the minister for sport or the Government come out and provide general indemnification to all sporting grounds, i.e.,
you cannot sue a GAA club or others, because you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

If we ever have sporting events in Ireland where the public are allowed to attend, it will have to be provided in any event.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don't, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the 'light up Ireland' initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it's not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it's yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don't, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the 'light up Ireland' initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it's not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it's yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 18, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don't, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the 'light up Ireland' initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it's not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it's yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait

When did i ever say it should be opened before it is safe to do so???? I I have included in almost every post I have put on this thread that it should be following the advice of the experts and when it is safe.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
Quote from: joemamas on May 18, 2020, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 18, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

Q,

Why doesn't the minister for sport or the Government come out and provide general indemnification to all sporting grounds, i.e.,
you cannot sue a GAA club or others, because you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough €€€€ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 04:57:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
ause you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough €€€€ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.

Nonsense - the first rule of joining any club or association is that by doing so you greatly restrict your rights to sue that club or association.

There is no need in any event for any indemnity or other scheme. If someone invades your personal space in any public place, it is a form of assault, you are well within your rights to report this to the Gardai or police. It usually will have little or nothing to do with the owner of the property. Otherwise every forest path and every council green in the land would be shut.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
Quote from: five points on May 18, 2020, 04:57:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
ause you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough €€€€ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.

Nonsense - the first rule of joining any club or association is that by doing so you greatly restrict your rights to sue that club or association.

There is no need in any event for any indemnity or other scheme. If someone invades your personal space in any public place, it is a form of assault, you are well within your rights to report this to the Gardai or police. It usually will have little or nothing to do with the owner of the property. Otherwise every forest path and every council green in the land would be shut.
I wont be hiring you if I ever have recourse to Law.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
I wont be hiring you if I ever have recourse to Law.

What did I get wrong?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
If you and I are at a match in some club ground and say 2 skates blew off the roof and clattered into us.
You're a member of that club , I'm not.
You'll find we both are entitled to compo and can certainly sue.
Now if you've signed some arrangement with the club not to sue them.....fine but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 18, 2020, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
If you and I are at a match in some club ground and say 2 skates blew off the roof and clattered into us.
You're a member of that club , I'm not.
You'll find we both are entitled to compo and can certainly sue.
Now if you've signed some arrangement with the club not to sue them.....fine but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility.

You misread what I said. There is a difference between "greatly restrict" and "eliminate".

As long as you and I are members of the GAA, the scope each of us have to sue the GAA is indeed quite limited. The example of slates falling off a roof is a bad one as we're well entitled to be covered against injury arising from GAA negligence while on GAA property, even if we happen to be members.

If your young lad or mine gets his jaw broken at school, there's a good chance that the school will be held at least partly liable. If the same happens him while playing - and he can't legally play without being a member - he'd be wasting his time suing the GAA. And on that basis, if he catches Covid while playing, he'll have his work cut out in suing the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. You've very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable'.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIME'. As you've gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. You've very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable'.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIME'. As you've gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. You've very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable'.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIME'. As you've gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didn't think we would see football this year) said ' if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isn't is quite within their rights not too.' So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldn't go back in July, we can't go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. You've very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable'.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIME'. As you've gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didn't think we would see football this year) said ' if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isn't is quite within their rights not too.' So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldn't go back in July, we can't go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. You've very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable'.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIME'. As you've gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didn't think we would see football this year) said ' if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isn't is quite within their rights not too.' So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldn't go back in July, we can't go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.

That's what I have said all along. July.
You've just wasted I don't know how long because you tried to do a hatchet job on me and failed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. You've very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable'.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIME'. As you've gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didn't think we would see football this year) said ' if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isn't is quite within their rights not too.' So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldn't go back in July, we can't go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.

That's what I have said all along. July.
You've just wasted I don't know how long because you tried to do a hatchet job on me and failed.

A hatchet job  ;D ;D

Jesus - its a debate as you said - lets not over dramatise it on a board of mostly anonymous people

I fundamentally disagreed with one of your posts and said so.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 14, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 14, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
[/b]

. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You've taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

Off course not - because you have clearly backtracked - how can you have a rationale discussion with anyone when you ignore what you have said.

Explain the context with the above - perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying?

Not back tracking at all. You've very conveniently left out the line before the start of the quote, which says 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable'.  The important part being THERE WILL COME A TIME'. As you've gone back a number of pages to find this quote to twist it, you will also have seen that I have repeatedly said that any changes should take place when the advice says so, which at present is July. Come then every one should have the choice, within the guidelines. And this included opening pitches or whatever else is laid out.

But there wont come a time where it is no longer possible - this will go on as long as it takes in order to be medically safe.

You have only just started saying follow medical advice in recent responses - the beginning of your debate gave no mention of medical advice.
My very first message on the topic (other than saying i didn't think we would see football this year) said ' if come July I am told that it is safe to go to stage 4 and start training/playing again, I will be happy to do so, and anyone who isn't is quite within their rights not too.' So I mentioned July in my first message on it as this was the date the MEDICAL ASVICE gave. The beginning of my debate also said when the time comes and at no time mentioned doing it right now. And there will be a time...July. The whole point of my participation in this thread was that people are saying the we shouldn't go back in July, we can't go back while social distancing or until there is a vaccine. I have been saying that I believe that as things stand July is when the medical experts have told the government we should go back therefore that is when we should have the option to  go back. And I have clarified it more than once.

So you are agreeing that nothing should happen until it is medically safe.

Thats grand so.

End of.

That's what I have said all along. July.
You've just wasted I don't know how long because you tried to do a hatchet job on me and failed.

A hatchet job  ;D ;D

Jesus - its a debate as you said - lets not over dramatise it on a board of mostly anonymous people

I fundamentally disagreed with one of your posts and said so.
No, you cut and pasted one line from a post, ignoring the line before which gave it context and also the messages before and after which made quiet clear what was meant. There's a difference doing that and debating on what I actually said.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 08:18:25 PM
It didnt give it context - it didnt mention waiting until it was medically safe at all - 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable you then went on to say what you thought was the best way forward and again again no mention of waiting until it was safe medically.

You cant expect someone to read your mind.

Anyway - I couldnt read your mind or guess what you were thinking - no point continuing this - its futile

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 08:18:25 PM
It didnt give it context - it didnt mention waiting until it was medically safe at all - 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable you then went on to say what you thought was the best way forward and again again no mention of waiting until it was safe medically.

You cant expect someone to read your mind.

Anyway - I couldnt read your mind or guess what you were thinking - no point continuing this - its futile
It said come a time, therefore pretty clear it wasn't meaning now. And given the fact the previous message and my first message on the topic had mentioned July then I think it's pretty clear you were being twisted with your attempt.
But your correct it is futile, you spent numerous posts aimed at me to basically get the point that I stated days ago in my first post.....July (which is when the medical advisors have said).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 08:29:27 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 18, 2020, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2020, 08:18:25 PM
It didnt give it context - it didnt mention waiting until it was medically safe at all - 'There will come a time, be it for work, football whatever, where this will no longer be possible/acceptable you then went on to say what you thought was the best way forward and again again no mention of waiting until it was safe medically.

You cant expect someone to read your mind.

Anyway - I couldnt read your mind or guess what you were thinking - no point continuing this - its futile
It said come a time, therefore pretty clear it wasn't meaning now. And given the fact the previous message and my first message on the topic had mentioned July then I think it's pretty clear you were being twisted with your attempt.
But your correct it is futile, you spent numerous posts aimed at me to basically get the point that I stated days ago in my first post.....July (which is when the medical advisors have said).

Whatever makes you happy man.

If you think that is what you meant then fair fucks to you. I didn't have a clue.....and I wasn't alone
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 21, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
Some of the Swiss lads back in training. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/it-was-a-godsend-to-be-back-on-the-grass-swiss-gaa-club-among-first-to-return-to-training-1000487.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 22, 2020, 07:06:15 PM
Why is there a big debate about the opening of pitches , shur you're not allowed to train collectively ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 22, 2020, 10:45:48 PM
There's no debate, people are just impatient.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Salmon on May 23, 2020, 12:36:17 AM
Are there any punishments for clubs caught training, or using their grounds? By and large, clubs seem to be adhering, but still.
Has any club been caught out in any way?
You'd imagine that clubs would at least have a minimal amount of cop on and wouldn't let it remotely come to that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 23, 2020, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Salmon on May 23, 2020, 12:36:17 AM
Are there any punishments for clubs caught training, or using their grounds? By and large, clubs seem to be adhering, but still.
Has any club been caught out in any way?
You'd imagine that clubs would at least have a minimal amount of cop on and wouldn't let it remotely come to that.
My own club are having a real issue with keeping people out of the ground. Was chatting to the chairman and he said other than stand at the gate he doesn't know what to do. He has issued statements in every way possible, he has locked the gates around the pitches and obviously the clubhouse. Yet our grounds are probably the busiest he's ever seen them away from actual football. Even people who have never been to a match or bought a ticket or done anything for the club are using it for their walks. This was one thing but by and large they seemed to be spread out time wise and in their own family grouping and there wasn't too many actually on the pitches so he wasn't overly concerned, but this last week he was saying that there a more and more groups of young people and players using the pitches, most worrying was  a small group of senior players (5/6 all non related) have been down on a few occasions basically doing strength and conditioning training and runs etc.... at least two are also committee members. The chairman is horrified and has spoken to them so not sure what will happen. Just to make clear we don't have the capacity for a few reasons to close the main gates, and the pitch is easily accessible. Also the senior manager has sent nothing to players regarding training or even home sessions and has repeatedly said we will not be doing anything till we are told and asked people to stay away from the pitches as well. So frustrating for the club who are trying to do the right thing
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on May 23, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
The are making silage on Croke Park. Probaly get a second cut from it too, won't be any ball anytime soon.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 23, 2020, 08:00:50 PM
This night last year we had the famous victory in Castlebar💛💙
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
Jesus Rodney you didn't think that picture was real.
Ffs Croke Park put a picture up last week of it in perfect condition
🙈🙈
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 23, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
Jesus Rodney you didn't think that picture was real.
Ffs Croke Park put a picture up last week of it in perfect condition
🙈🙈

Hahaha
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 24, 2020, 11:26:40 AM
Rodney you plonker
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 25, 2020, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 23, 2020, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Salmon on May 23, 2020, 12:36:17 AM
Are there any punishments for clubs caught training, or using their grounds? By and large, clubs seem to be adhering, but still.
Has any club been caught out in any way?
You'd imagine that clubs would at least have a minimal amount of cop on and wouldn't let it remotely come to that.
My own club are having a real issue with keeping people out of the ground. Was chatting to the chairman and he said other than stand at the gate he doesn't know what to do. He has issued statements in every way possible, he has locked the gates around the pitches and obviously the clubhouse. Yet our grounds are probably the busiest he's ever seen them away from actual football. Even people who have never been to a match or bought a ticket or done anything for the club are using it for their walks. This was one thing but by and large they seemed to be spread out time wise and in their own family grouping and there wasn't too many actually on the pitches so he wasn't overly concerned, but this last week he was saying that there a more and more groups of young people and players using the pitches, most worrying was  a small group of senior players (5/6 all non related) have been down on a few occasions basically doing strength and conditioning training and runs etc.... at least two are also committee members. The chairman is horrified and has spoken to them so not sure what will happen. Just to make clear we don't have the capacity for a few reasons to close the main gates, and the pitch is easily accessible. Also the senior manager has sent nothing to players regarding training or even home sessions and has repeatedly said we will not be doing anything till we are told and asked people to stay away from the pitches as well. So frustrating for the club who are trying to do the right thing

Your club needs to arrange its own public liability insurance to cover it until the GAA cover resumes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 25, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
The views of Colm O Rourke

Quote
"I would hope that there would be [senior inter-county matches] by late summer,"

"I think that the date of October is much too late. I hope that we will see action in August at the latest."

"I was hoping John Horan would say something different but the only thing I can see is he is saying that, but he has now brought together a medical committee to give him further advice,"

"I would hope that the medical committee will soon report back to him and say that he should be opening GAA grounds.

"Particularly for young people because I think the rate of infection under-15 is less than two per cent and I think that young people should be out playing at the moment.

"I think it would be possible to frame different types of, maybe five-a-side games, where you would have blocking but no tackling.

"Maybe GAA grounds could open up play for ten or fifteen minutes a half for ten [players], move them out and move in another group.

"Then you have the whole issue where you have walking tracks around grounds which are closed, forcing older people on the road to walk.

"I think it's a blunt instrument we have at the moment. I would certainly think that GAA pitches should be open in a controlled manner."

"I was at a club the other night and two older people walked past the gate of the club where there was a beautiful walking track available and they were walking on a very busy road," added O'Rourke.

"I just thought to myself, this is very silly.

"I know that John Horan has made the point that if he opened up walking tracks in Dublin, it would be very, very difficult to control them but I think so-be-it.

"I think we should be urging less caution, not more, and I think young people, in many cases in parts of Dublin, social distancing seems to have gone out the window with them.

"I think it would be much better from a GAA point of view to get them back playing in small numbers.

"The big concern for me would be, a lot of these people won't bother their head going back at all if they're shut out for a long time."

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm O'Rourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. It's the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm O'Rourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. It's the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 26, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm O'Rourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. It's the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.
I can't help thinking that Mr. O'Rourke may not be disclosing some vested interests he may have.

Didn't he come to a cushy little arrangement with NAMA some years back?

What are his current business interests?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm O'Rourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. It's the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Dunno but it might have something to do with the global pandemic and the fear that returning to games too soon could put lives at risk. However, if Colm O'Rourke knows as much about it as medical and scientific experts, then yeah, you're right.

We all know that but there's also a fear that if we go too long without games, players clubs and communities will suffer. There will always be a health risk to returning to games and that risk won't be going away anytime soon. Every possible decision has its downsides.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm O'Rourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. It's the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Dunno but it might have something to do with the global pandemic and the fear that returning to games too soon could put lives at risk. However, if Colm O'Rourke knows as much about it as medical and scientific experts, then yeah, you're right.

We all know that but there's also a fear that if we go too long without games, players clubs and communities will suffer. There will always be a health risk to returning to games and that risk won't be going away anytime soon. Every possible decision has its downsides.
Yes, and we should let the experts weigh that up and make their decision, which was supersub's point originally, I believe.

There we disagree. The GAA will be going down a dangerous road if it ever allows  outside vested interest to dictate fundamental policy. It would be like allowing banks to liquidate clubs for an unpaid debts.

By all means be guided by appropriate expert opinion but don't be a hostage to it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 26, 2020, 11:37:19 AM
Colm O'Rourke is the GAA's answer to Dominic Cummings. With all the same arrogance and entitlement dripping off him.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 26, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Whatever his other interests seems he has given up on being Meath manager anyway
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/spurned-three-times-orourke-fears-hell-never-get-to-manage-meath-1001678.html

Maybe Croke Park might appoint him and 5 Points to the players welfare Committee ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trailer on May 26, 2020, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 25, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
The views of Colm O Rourke

Quote
"I would hope that there would be [senior inter-county matches] by late summer,"

"I think that the date of October is much too late. I hope that we will see action in August at the latest."

"I was hoping John Horan would say something different but the only thing I can see is he is saying that, but he has now brought together a medical committee to give him further advice,"

"I would hope that the medical committee will soon report back to him and say that he should be opening GAA grounds.

"Particularly for young people because I think the rate of infection under-15 is less than two per cent and I think that young people should be out playing at the moment.

"I think it would be possible to frame different types of, maybe five-a-side games, where you would have blocking but no tackling.

"Maybe GAA grounds could open up play for ten or fifteen minutes a half for ten [players], move them out and move in another group.

"Then you have the whole issue where you have walking tracks around grounds which are closed, forcing older people on the road to walk.

"I think it's a blunt instrument we have at the moment. I would certainly think that GAA pitches should be open in a controlled manner."

"I was at a club the other night and two older people walked past the gate of the club where there was a beautiful walking track available and they were walking on a very busy road," added O'Rourke.

"I just thought to myself, this is very silly.

"I know that John Horan has made the point that if he opened up walking tracks in Dublin, it would be very, very difficult to control them but I think so-be-it.

"I think we should be urging less caution, not more, and I think young people, in many cases in parts of Dublin, social distancing seems to have gone out the window with them.

"I think it would be much better from a GAA point of view to get them back playing in small numbers.

"The big concern for me would be, a lot of these people won't bother their head going back at all if they're shut out for a long time."


Don't often agree with Colm but has a point.
This bollocks about scientific and medical experts is nonsense. They advise and the government decides. Hence golf courses etc being opened. There's no reason that GAA clubs shouldn't be open. Underage Club football certainly u-16 down should be restarted.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Whatever his other interests seems he has given up on being Meath manager anyway
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/spurned-three-times-orourke-fears-hell-never-get-to-manage-meath-1001678.html

Maybe Croke Park might appoint him and 5 Points to the players welfare Committee ;D

??? The few surveys that have been done suggest that most players want to play this year.

No skin off my nose if they don't but I've said here and elsewhere that walking tracks should be open to save players running on dangerous roads.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 12:46:16 PM
Walking tracks are open, are they not?

No part of any GAA ground is open for use. Think you can now do construction work and actually cut your field. That's it.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 01:00:50 PM
They've been making silage bales, Casement Park-style, in Cloone in Leitrim.  Funny old world when track walking is considered more dangerous than cutting silage.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 26, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Whatever his other interests seems he has given up on being Meath manager anyway
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/spurned-three-times-orourke-fears-hell-never-get-to-manage-meath-1001678.html

Maybe Croke Park might appoint him and 5 Points to the players welfare Committee ;D

??? The few surveys that have been done suggest that most players want to play this year.



Young lads who'll live for ever eh?
The GAA are looking at letting grounds with walkways open but with a "Covid" Officer to ensure whatever conditions are applied are complied with.
Presumably Johnny and Mary bringing in little Trevor and Chloe each with a ball won't be
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2020, 01:04:43 PM

Young lads who'll live for ever eh?
The GAA are looking at letting grounds with walkways open but with a "Covid" Officer to ensure whatever conditions are applied are complied with.
Presumably Johnny and Mary bringing in little Trevor and Chloe each with a ball won't be allowed?
They're looking

And probably a few older lads for whom time is running out. Boys who missed 2019 with cruciates etc must be sick of the waiting.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on May 26, 2020, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 12:46:16 PM
Walking tracks are open, are they not?



No, but that decision is to be reviewed by Croke Park on the 7th of June IIRC.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: joemamas on May 26, 2020, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 26, 2020, 11:37:19 AM
Colm O'Rourke is the GAA's answer to Dominic Cummings. With all the same arrogance and entitlement dripping off him.

Why because he disagrees with your thought process.

I think he generally makes a lot of sense.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 26, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
O'Rourke is great at moaning and giving out about things.
Yet never seems to offer solutions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on May 26, 2020, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2020, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm O'Rourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. It's the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?
Dunno but it might have something to do with the global pandemic and the fear that returning to games too soon could put lives at risk. However, if Colm O'Rourke knows as much about it as medical and scientific experts, then yeah, you're right.

We all know that but there's also a fear that if we go too long without games, players clubs and communities will suffer. There will always be a health risk to returning to games and that risk won't be going away anytime soon. Every possible decision has its downsides.
Yes, and we should let the experts weigh that up and make their decision, which was supersub's point originally, I believe.

There we disagree. The GAA will be going down a dangerous road if it ever allows  outside vested interest to dictate fundamental policy. It would be like allowing banks to liquidate clubs for an unpaid debts.

By all means be guided by appropriate expert opinion but don't be a hostage to it.

Vested interests?
Their vested interest is giving the very best advice backed up
By medical and scientific evidence, to minimise the effects of this virus and it's aftermath. Whatever way governments and governing bodies interpret and act on that advice , it's an insult to question the integrity of those on the committee(mainly volunteers presumably)  including medics who are ethically bound to protect life.
That medical/scientific advice will include analysing the effects of "lockdown" and balancing that against  the effects of the virus.
I'm in favour of getting back to the new normal as soon as safely possible, but if this virus has taught us anything it's that being complacent is dangerous. cf UK.
Most of recent news is good. I think ill-informed hype has been unhelpful, and I'm hoping that relaxation with safeguards will come even quicker than predicted. The exciting thing is that we are learning more about this virus daily and there are signs that we may be getting on top of it. If we continue to stick to evidence based advice , It's our best chance of getting out of this without setbacks
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 26, 2020, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 26, 2020, 07:55:33 PM

Vested interests?
Their vested interest is giving the very best advice backed up
By medical and scientific evidence, to minimise the effects of this virus and it's aftermath. Whatever way governments and governing bodies interpret and act on that advice , it's an insult to question the integrity of those on the committee(mainly volunteers presumably)  including medics who are ethically bound to protect life.
That medical/scientific advice will include analysing the effects of "lockdown" and balancing that against  the effects of the virus.
I'm in favour of getting back to the new normal as soon as safely possible, but if this virus has taught us anything it's that being complacent is dangerous. cf UK.
Most of recent news is good. I think ill-informed hype has been unhelpful, and I'm hoping that relaxation with safeguards will come even quicker than predicted. The exciting thing is that we are learning more about this virus daily and there are signs that we may be getting on top of it. If we continue to stick to evidence based advice , It's our best chance of getting out of this without setbacks

Yes, vested interests.

Do you not see that Tony Holohan for example has no specialist skills to enable him to analyse the effects of lockdown? Nor any responsibility for jobs, welfare or the public finances?

But that doesn't impinge one bit on his integrity as CMO.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2020, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: five points on May 26, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
With all due respect, the view of Colm O'Rourke or any other pundit for that matter is worth as much as you or I. It's the medical and scientific views that are most important. Commentary like this does little to help the situation only create speculation in my opinion.

That might be fine if the GAA were a medical or scientific organisation but it's not. The Medical & Scientific Committee in Croke Park never before had a veto on how the GAA runs its business and organises its games. Why should it or any other vested interest, especially one outside the organisation, have a veto now?

I had to read this a couple of times to make sure I got the tone and sentiments correct. On further reading of your posts following I believe I have. A wholly patriotic and idealistic view which is to be admired in one sense, but is blinding your rational judgement and quite frankly farcical. We are in the midst of a global pandemic, the world as we know it has changed drastically and there is a distinct possibility it won't go back to the way it was. All walks of life are having to adapt in ways they never would have thought needed or possible in some cases. The government are politicians, they run the country, they set the rules - they are not doctors or scientists. Ergo they need to take advice from these people who are better placed to inform than the government themselves. They then decide what to do. Unfortunately whether we like it or not the safest way of life for us all has been the way we have been for the last two months, and until the medical and scientific professionals advise the government differently, the GAA will tow the line. The same as any other organisation across the land. This idea that we are the GAA we set our own rules and constitution and no one or thing will disrupt this is absolutely mental. Do you remember a mere few weeks ago the special congress to agree in principle to make changes to competition formats, an unprecedented move? Do you think they shouldn't have done this either? Keep the competitions the same, horse her on? Ludicrous.

To the poster who said the medical and scientific opinions are bollox...maybe you would like to explain to the whole board what that actually means? As it is baffling. Nearly as baffling as saying there is no reason an u16 downwards can't start...are you serious? Who is going to manage these teams? Paul who is 50 and who's son has an immune suppressing disease? Aye sure he'll just go along to training with 20 other households, a couple of other adults and take the risk. While we're at it, Jim the caretaker who is 75 and been around the club his whole life will open and close for them 3 nights a week. Don't forget about Billy and Mick who do the gate and stewarding around the club for matches, both severely asthmatic but here the medical and scientific stuff is bollox so we'll head down the field to make sure the car park is in order for the game, the changing rooms are clean for the 40 odd people about to embrace and the litter has been picked up around the pitch for the 100 odd spectators due in for the u16 match. Absolutely mental. Catch yourself on, seriously.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: joemamas on May 26, 2020, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 26, 2020, 11:37:19 AM
Colm O'Rourke is the GAA's answer to Dominic Cummings. With all the same arrogance and entitlement dripping off him.

Why because he disagrees with your thought process.

I think he generally makes a lot of sense.
No, because Colm knows SFA about virology or epidemiology and yet he's telling everybody we need "less caution".

I don't think I need to explain any further why Colm is an idiot, it's self-evident on the basis of those comments, and indeed the entirety of what he has said during this entire crisis.

The pure selfishness and rejection of expertise on his part is exactly what you hope not to see from an educator.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
Super sub . It's commentary like yours that really irritates, what makes you use such language as "a distinct possibility it wont go back to the way it was " throw in the drastic and all that jazz too.

If you asked me a month or two weeks ago , I'd be certainly weary of how long it would take to go back to normal because of predictions we were reading .

Now here in the 26 we are down to under 100 new cases daily , if that trajectory remains we could possibly be down to daily increase of single digit cases in two weeks time . If this continues further and we don't have any further spikes along the way into the summer I cannot for the life of me understand why there would be any restrictions bar foreign travel in and out .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2020, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
Super sub . It's commentary like yours that really irritates, what makes you use such language as "a distinct possibility it wont go back to the way it was " throw in the drastic and all that jazz too.

If you asked me a month or two weeks ago , I'd be certainly weary of how long it would take to go back to normal because of predictions we were reading .

Now here in the 26 we are down to under 100 new cases daily , if that trajectory remains we could possibly be down to daily increase of single digit cases in two weeks time . If this continues further and we don't have any further spikes along the way into the summer I cannot for the life of me understand why there would be any restrictions bar foreign travel in and out .

Some people don't want life to return to what it was. Which for the life of me, I can't comprehend but here we are.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 27, 2020, 11:45:28 AM
Who are these "some people"?
Why do they not want "life to return to what it was"?
Supersub is as entitled to his opinion as Larryin even if it irritates the latter and he may even be correct in his "distinct possibility" .
For the record I would love if all Covid restrictions were gone along with the Covid itself.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Accusing people who take restrictions on movement to stop a pandemic seriously of "wanting millions to die" or "wanting society to burn to the ground" or "not wanting life to return to what it was" are classic right-wing culture war "talking points".

Such "talking points" are a construction of fake victimhood, a substitute for thinking, and an admission of intellectual bankruptcy.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2020, 11:45:28 AM
Who are these "some people"?
Why do they not want "life to return to what it was"?
Supersub is as entitled to his opinion as Larryin even if it irritates the latter and he may even be correct in his "distinct possibility" .
For the record I would love if all Covid restrictions were gone along with the Covid itself.

We as a whole country, just went a day yesterday of no Covid deaths. Something that we should be excited about, something that probably seemed massively unlikely even up as far as a fortnight ago. Not to say there won't be more in the future, of course there will. A virus that attacks the weak will always have success, this is something that we should always be aware of moreso than ever, going forward.

But I find it staggering that people cannot begin to look to future now, I'm not saying get the All Ireland started next week. But it's time to start the conversation of how we return to normal, starting at clubs, starting with kids. They cannot live life at home, stuck to TV or whatever like this going forward and people must accept that you cannot live any kind of life, without any kind of risk.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 27, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
But I find it staggering that people cannot begin to look to future now, I'm not saying get the All Ireland started next week. But it's time to start the conversation of how we return to normal, starting at clubs, starting with kids. They cannot live life at home, stuck to TV or whatever like this going forward and people must accept that you cannot live any kind of life, without any kind of risk.

Me too. If anyone makes even a modest suggestion here about things returning to normal, for example that walking tracks open, they end up being attacked with all sorts of bitter personalised abuse, like being accused of wanting people to die. As does anyone who makes a similar case in the media, Colm O'Rourke being a case in point.

Some people seem hell-bent in destroying this forum and on current form they will succeed.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 27, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
Quote from: five points on May 27, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
But I find it staggering that people cannot begin to look to future now, I'm not saying get the All Ireland started next week. But it's time to start the conversation of how we return to normal, starting at clubs, starting with kids. They cannot live life at home, stuck to TV or whatever like this going forward and people must accept that you cannot live any kind of life, without any kind of risk.

Me too. If anyone makes even a modest suggestion here about things returning to normal, for example that walking tracks open, they end up being attacked with all sorts of bitter personalised abuse, like being accused of wanting people to die. As does anyone who makes a similar case in the media, Colm O'Rourke being a case in point.

Some people seem hell-bent in destroying this forum and on current form they will succeed.

Its not just this forum, its social media as a whole; people don't want to debate anymore, they just want to make their point and steadfastly stick to it and abuse anyone who disagrees. I would argue that its even wider and societal as well, the world is becoming more split and entrenched in many aspects, just look at politics in UK and US, where no matter what someone does they will be blindly backed simply because they represent a certain party.
People should realise Its ok to disagree and everyone is entitled to their opinion (unless someone is being obviously out of order i.e. racist etc...).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on May 27, 2020, 12:38:32 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 27, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
Quote from: five points on May 27, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
But I find it staggering that people cannot begin to look to future now, I'm not saying get the All Ireland started next week. But it's time to start the conversation of how we return to normal, starting at clubs, starting with kids. They cannot live life at home, stuck to TV or whatever like this going forward and people must accept that you cannot live any kind of life, without any kind of risk.

Me too. If anyone makes even a modest suggestion here about things returning to normal, for example that walking tracks open, they end up being attacked with all sorts of bitter personalised abuse, like being accused of wanting people to die. As does anyone who makes a similar case in the media, Colm O'Rourke being a case in point.

Some people seem hell-bent in destroying this forum and on current form they will succeed.

Its not just this forum, its social media as a whole; people don't want to debate anymore, they just want to make their point and steadfastly stick to it and abuse anyone who disagrees. I would argue that its even wider and societal as well, the world is becoming more split and entrenched in many aspects, just look at politics in UK and US, where no matter what someone does they will be blindly backed simply because they represent a certain party.
People should realise Its ok to disagree and everyone is entitled to their opinion (unless someone is being obviously out of order i.e. racist etc...).

Agree
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 12:49:12 PM
Well said lads. At the beginning we were told to slow the curve save nhs
That's clearly been done
Now my thoughts moving forward
I believe the hospitals have now all the equipment and experience to deal with further Covid cases no problem. They know how to deal with it straight away compared to 12 weeks ago.
We will still have cases but many won't even need hospital treatment
Yes we will still have deaths unfortunately and I say this with total respect but we are going to have deaths anyway.
I would like to see things open up slowly. Week on week as opposed to every 3 weeks
Club grounds should reopen on the 8th with a rota lied out for teams to train non contact maybe twice a week. Say under 16s from 6-7 them under 12s 7-15 to 8-15
No hanging about the pitch after training
Cue the backlash
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 27, 2020, 12:58:47 PM
Weird shit fit happening in this thread today. A stream of boys not liking any critique of their entitled opinions.

If your opinion is worth a shite you should have no issue with others challenging and dissecting its merits. Then come back and defend it with solid rationale and evidence (hi, Smurfy). That's a discussion, a debate.

Don't just have a wee cry about what you think you're 'entitled' to.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 01:04:54 PM
Break it down Ed and debate it no problem
I don't have all the answers
Just my opinion
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 27, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 27, 2020, 12:58:47 PM
Weird shit fit happening in this thread today. A stream of boys not liking any critique of their entitled opinions.


If your opinion is worth a shite you should have no issue with others challenging and dissecting its merits. Then come back and defend it with solid rationale and evidence (hi, Smurfy). That's a discussion, a debate.

Don't just have a wee cry about what you think you're 'entitled' to.

Exhibit A.

I will no longer engage in debate here or anywhere with anyone who appears unnecessarily confrontational or aggressive, as talk like "If your opinion is worth a shite" and the like suggests. On the other hand, if you are willing to debate on civil terms, game on.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
If you're prescribed a course of antibiotics, say for a severe sore throat, do you not bother completing the course when you start to see an improvement in your condition?

Answers please.

There are people here who are literally suggesting the very thing that spreads the virus - lack of social distancing.

Why should anybody who suggests we do the very thing that could easily enable another large wave of the virus be taken seriously?

Answers please.

That's without even mentioning the worldwide nature of this crisis.

Ireland does not exist in isolation.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 02:13:43 PM
Quote from: five points on May 27, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 27, 2020, 12:58:47 PM
Weird shit fit happening in this thread today. A stream of boys not liking any critique of their entitled opinions.


If your opinion is worth a shite you should have no issue with others challenging and dissecting its merits. Then come back and defend it with solid rationale and evidence (hi, Smurfy). That's a discussion, a debate.

Don't just have a wee cry about what you think you're 'entitled' to.

Exhibit A.

I will no longer engage in debate here or anywhere with anyone who appears unnecessarily confrontational or aggressive, as talk like "If your opinion is worth a shite" and the like suggests. On the other hand, if you are willing to debate on civil terms, game on.
Playing a fake victim is a great right-wing culture war trick.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
No i am saying keep social distance going in every normal day life things where possible
Walking Shopping Work etc
But my point is life must start moving again for example sport
The common flu can be passed on do we stop everything? The Covid virus is not as deadly as predicted. No where near in fact
Now you can close everything down and accept that or you can start moving
The outcry about the soccer starting 5 weeks ago was crazy. The bundesliga Jesus the outcry about it
You hear much about it now?
No thought so
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 27, 2020, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
If you're prescribed a course of antibiotics, say for a severe sore throat, do you not bother completing the course when you start to see an improvement in your condition?

Answers please.

There are people here who are literally suggesting the very thing that spreads the virus - lack of social distancing.

Why should anybody who suggests we do the very thing that could easily enable another large wave of the virus be taken seriously?

Answers please.

That's without even mentioning the worldwide nature of this crisis.

Ireland does not exist in isolation.

This is exactly the point - while we all want to get back asap we should take absolutely no risks until it is medically safe to do so.

To use a professional league as an example to an amateur sport run by ourselves and friends/neighbours is laughable.

Everyone is getting tested 3 times a week in the professional game thus reducing the chances of anything happening. This wont happen in the GAA
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
If you're prescribed a course of antibiotics, say for a severe sore throat, do you not bother completing the course when you start to see an improvement in your condition?

Answers please.



The inference being that the virus has not gone away, so we should not even think of changing any aspect of lockdown life?

What if the coronavirus never goes away, what if it is here forever.....Do we abandon any kind of life as a result? This seems to be what you are suggesting. I really hope I've taken this the wrong way because it's really disheartening to think anyone would think that is an option.





Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
No i am saying keep social distance going in every normal day life things where possible
Walking Shopping Work etc
But my point is life must start moving again for example sport
The common flu can be passed on do we stop everything? The Covid virus is not as deadly as predicted. No where near in fact
The GAA does not exist in isolation. The GAA is part of society. Gaelic football and hurling are amateur sports. In a normal week you have many hundreds, probably thousands of matches up and down the country. If the GAA starts playing again, that means all sports start playing again. More soccer matches take place in an average week than GAA matches. Then there are rugby matches and other sports. There are all kinds of civic social gatherings - educational, organisational, creative.

Every single one is a potential virus-spreading event.

If sport takes place, that sets an example to everybody else - an example that social distancing is not to be taken seriously.

The common flu is a known quantity. We know what it does, we know how to treat it.

We are learning more about Covid-19 everyday, but it is still not a known quantity in the real sense, we still do not have reliable treatments for it. It is a disease our bodies do not recognise. That's why it kills people.

353,000 people have died worldwide from Covid-19 wwith 5.7 million cases, and these are only the recorded figures. The real death figures could well be several times more, the real case figures are likely many times more.

And that's with lockdowns and social distancing. God knows what it would be without it.

This is a deadly virus. There is no room for debate about that. It is a fact.

We do not know how this virus will behave in the future. We hope it goes away, but there's no real evidence to suggest it will. We hope we will have effective treatments, but we currently don't. We hope we will have a vaccine, but that will take a significant length of time to emerge, if it ever does. We have to presume the virus will stick around and that another wave is likely, and if there's another wave, it could well be during the winter. We have to behave in a way that will reduce the spread of it, because if we don't we likely will have a public health catastrophe.

This is about basic morality. We are inconveniencing ourselves in what we hope and expect will be a temporary manner (but for how long we do not know, though it will likely be dependent on adherence to restrictions) to try and protect millions of people. Our policy makers (in some countries some of them, shamefully, do not act in good faith even on a matter of this seriousness - but in most countries they do - in Ireland they have done) are trying to create a situation where some sort of tenuous normality can occur within a framework of reducing the virus. Amateur sport comes near the bottom of priorities in that, and rightly so.

I have had little enough time for John Horan as GAA President, but on this issue he has acted in an examplary manner. He has shown leadership and has demonstrated that the GAA does not exist in isolation from society, and cannot behave as if it does. It is part of society. It cannot operate a pissing section in a swimming pool. It cannot operate a smoking section in an aeroplane.

People arguing the contrary are saying, "ah, it'll probably be grand". Wing and a prayer stuff. There is no evidence to back their rhetoric. That's not how public policy is supposed to work, it's exactly how it is not supposed to work.

There's a chance this virus may not turn out to be as not as catastrophic as feared (though it has already been catastrophic). Of course there's a chance. What chance that that chance will turn out to be the case? Nobody knows. Who operates on chances on such a matter, or advocates we operates on chances? Chancers, that's who. I don't want chancers in charge of policy. We already have a litany of evidence worldwide from contemporary politics and policy making as to why it's a very bad idea to put chancers in charge.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 27, 2020, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
The common flu is a known quantity. We know what it does, we know how to treat it.

Flu isn't as fatal and has a fairly effective vaccine, this is an enormous difference. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 03:33:47 PM
Why are we seeing little or no cases in London 18 days post lockdown
Millions have passed through the underground
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on May 27, 2020, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 03:33:47 PM
Why are we seeing little or no cases in London 18 days post lockdown
Millions have passed through the underground

Those who use the underground have already had it, in many cases. Those who haven't had it avoid the underground.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: charlieTully on May 27, 2020, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
No i am saying keep social distance going in every normal day life things where possible
Walking Shopping Work etc
But my point is life must start moving again for example sport
The common flu can be passed on do we stop everything? The Covid virus is not as deadly as predicted. No where near in fact
The GAA does not exist in isolation. The GAA is part of society. Gaelic football and hurling are amateur sports. In a normal week you have many hundreds, probably thousands of matches up and down the country. If the GAA starts playing again, that means all sports start playing again. More soccer matches take place in an average week than GAA matches. Then there are rugby matches and other sports. There are all kinds of civic social gatherings - educational, organisational, creative.

Every single one is a potential virus-spreading event.

If sport takes place, that sets an example to everybody else - an example that social distancing is not to be taken seriously.

The common flu is a known quantity. We know what it does, we know how to treat it.

We are learning more about Covid-19 everyday, but it is still not a known quantity in the real sense, we still do not have reliable treatments for it. It is a disease our bodies do not recognise. That's why it kills people.

353,000 people have died worldwide from Covid-19 wwith 5.7 million cases, and these are only the recorded figures. The real death figures could well be several times more, the real case figures are likely many times more.

And that's with lockdowns and social distancing. God knows what it would be without it.

This is a deadly virus. There is no room for debate about that. It is a fact.

We do not know how this virus will behave in the future. We hope it goes away, but there's no real evidence to suggest it will. We hope we will have effective treatments, but we currently don't. We hope we will have a vaccine, but that will take a significant length of time to emerge, if it ever does. We have to presume the virus will stick around and that another wave is likely, and if there's another wave, it could well be during the winter. We have to behave in a way that will reduce the spread of it, because if we don't we likely will have a public health catastrophe.

This is about basic morality. We are inconveniencing ourselves in what we hope and expect will be a temporary manner (but for how long we do not know, though it will likely be dependent on adherence to restrictions) to try and protect millions of people. Our policy makers (in some countries some of them, shamefully, do not act in good faith even on a matter of this seriousness - but in most countries they do - in Ireland they have done) are trying to create a situation where some sort of tenuous normality can occur within a framework of reducing the virus. Amateur sport comes near the bottom of priorities in that, and rightly so.

I have had little enough time for John Horan as GAA President, but on this issue he has acted in an examplary manner. He has shown leadership and has demonstrated that the GAA does not exist in isolation from society, and cannot behave as if it does. It is part of society. It cannot operate a pissing section in a swimming pool. It cannot operate a smoking section in an aeroplane.

People arguing the contrary are saying, "ah, it'll probably be grand". Wing and a prayer stuff. There is no evidence to back their rhetoric. That's not how public policy is supposed to work, it's exactly how it is not supposed to work.

There's a chance this virus may not turn out to be as not as catastrophic as feared (though it has already been catastrophic). Of course there's a chance. What chance that that chance will turn out to be the case? Nobody knows. Who operates on chances on such a matter, or advocates we operates on chances? Chancers, that's who. I don't want chancers in charge of policy. We already have a litany of evidence worldwide from contemporary politics and policy making as to why it's a very bad idea to put chancers in charge.

Excellent post.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on May 27, 2020, 06:03:41 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 27, 2020, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
No i am saying keep social distance going in every normal day life things where possible
Walking Shopping Work etc
But my point is life must start moving again for example sport
The common flu can be passed on do we stop everything? The Covid virus is not as deadly as predicted. No where near in fact
The GAA does not exist in isolation. The GAA is part of society. Gaelic football and hurling are amateur sports. In a normal week you have many hundreds, probably thousands of matches up and down the country. If the GAA starts playing again, that means all sports start playing again. More soccer matches take place in an average week than GAA matches. Then there are rugby matches and other sports. There are all kinds of civic social gatherings - educational, organisational, creative.

Every single one is a potential virus-spreading event.

If sport takes place, that sets an example to everybody else - an example that social distancing is not to be taken seriously.

The common flu is a known quantity. We know what it does, we know how to treat it.

We are learning more about Covid-19 everyday, but it is still not a known quantity in the real sense, we still do not have reliable treatments for it. It is a disease our bodies do not recognise. That's why it kills people.

353,000 people have died worldwide from Covid-19 wwith 5.7 million cases, and these are only the recorded figures. The real death figures could well be several times more, the real case figures are likely many times more.

And that's with lockdowns and social distancing. God knows what it would be without it.

This is a deadly virus. There is no room for debate about that. It is a fact.

We do not know how this virus will behave in the future. We hope it goes away, but there's no real evidence to suggest it will. We hope we will have effective treatments, but we currently don't. We hope we will have a vaccine, but that will take a significant length of time to emerge, if it ever does. We have to presume the virus will stick around and that another wave is likely, and if there's another wave, it could well be during the winter. We have to behave in a way that will reduce the spread of it, because if we don't we likely will have a public health catastrophe.

This is about basic morality. We are inconveniencing ourselves in what we hope and expect will be a temporary manner (but for how long we do not know, though it will likely be dependent on adherence to restrictions) to try and protect millions of people. Our policy makers (in some countries some of them, shamefully, do not act in good faith even on a matter of this seriousness - but in most countries they do - in Ireland they have done) are trying to create a situation where some sort of tenuous normality can occur within a framework of reducing the virus. Amateur sport comes near the bottom of priorities in that, and rightly so.

I have had little enough time for John Horan as GAA President, but on this issue he has acted in an examplary manner. He has shown leadership and has demonstrated that the GAA does not exist in isolation from society, and cannot behave as if it does. It is part of society. It cannot operate a pissing section in a swimming pool. It cannot operate a smoking section in an aeroplane.

People arguing the contrary are saying, "ah, it'll probably be grand". Wing and a prayer stuff. There is no evidence to back their rhetoric. That's not how public policy is supposed to work, it's exactly how it is not supposed to work.

There's a chance this virus may not turn out to be as not as catastrophic as feared (though it has already been catastrophic). Of course there's a chance. What chance that that chance will turn out to be the case? Nobody knows. Who operates on chances on such a matter, or advocates we operates on chances? Chancers, that's who. I don't want chancers in charge of policy. We already have a litany of evidence worldwide from contemporary politics and policy making as to why it's a very bad idea to put chancers in charge.

Excellent post.

+1
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on May 27, 2020, 06:27:29 PM
+2

Great post Sid. Exactly my thinking as well.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 27, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
No i am saying keep social distance going in every normal day life things where possible
Walking Shopping Work etc
But my point is life must start moving again for example sport
The common flu can be passed on do we stop everything? The Covid virus is not as deadly as predicted. No where near in fact
The GAA does not exist in isolation. The GAA is part of society. Gaelic football and hurling are amateur sports. In a normal week you have many hundreds, probably thousands of matches up and down the country. If the GAA starts playing again, that means all sports start playing again. More soccer matches take place in an average week than GAA matches. Then there are rugby matches and other sports. There are all kinds of civic social gatherings - educational, organisational, creative.

Every single one is a potential virus-spreading event.

If sport takes place, that sets an example to everybody else - an example that social distancing is not to be taken seriously.

The common flu is a known quantity. We know what it does, we know how to treat it.

We are learning more about Covid-19 everyday, but it is still not a known quantity in the real sense, we still do not have reliable treatments for it. It is a disease our bodies do not recognise. That's why it kills people.

353,000 people have died worldwide from Covid-19 wwith 5.7 million cases, and these are only the recorded figures. The real death figures could well be several times more, the real case figures are likely many times more.

And that's with lockdowns and social distancing. God knows what it would be without it.

This is a deadly virus. There is no room for debate about that. It is a fact.

We do not know how this virus will behave in the future. We hope it goes away, but there's no real evidence to suggest it will. We hope we will have effective treatments, but we currently don't. We hope we will have a vaccine, but that will take a significant length of time to emerge, if it ever does. We have to presume the virus will stick around and that another wave is likely, and if there's another wave, it could well be during the winter. We have to behave in a way that will reduce the spread of it, because if we don't we likely will have a public health catastrophe.

This is about basic morality. We are inconveniencing ourselves in what we hope and expect will be a temporary manner (but for how long we do not know, though it will likely be dependent on adherence to restrictions) to try and protect millions of people. Our policy makers (in some countries some of them, shamefully, do not act in good faith even on a matter of this seriousness - but in most countries they do - in Ireland they have done) are trying to create a situation where some sort of tenuous normality can occur within a framework of reducing the virus. Amateur sport comes near the bottom of priorities in that, and rightly so.

I have had little enough time for John Horan as GAA President, but on this issue he has acted in an examplary manner. He has shown leadership and has demonstrated that the GAA does not exist in isolation from society, and cannot behave as if it does. It is part of society. It cannot operate a pissing section in a swimming pool. It cannot operate a smoking section in an aeroplane.

People arguing the contrary are saying, "ah, it'll probably be grand". Wing and a prayer stuff. There is no evidence to back their rhetoric. That's not how public policy is supposed to work, it's exactly how it is not supposed to work.

There's a chance this virus may not turn out to be as not as catastrophic as feared (though it has already been catastrophic). Of course there's a chance. What chance that that chance will turn out to be the case? Nobody knows. Who operates on chances on such a matter, or advocates we operates on chances? Chancers, that's who. I don't want chancers in charge of policy. We already have a litany of evidence worldwide from contemporary politics and policy making as to why it's a very bad idea to put chancers in charge.

A lot of sense talked in this post and can't disagree with a lot of the first section of the post. However I genuinely don't understand what you think should happen. You say that we don't know about this virus, whether there will be a second wave etc...etc....  (which is all right). But you then go on the somewhat hint at praise for the Irish governments response. So I am left wondering, what you actually think should happen ? Alot of your posts have been in response to people advocating the restart of our games, yet everyone I have seen is advocating it in line with the guidelines set out (with exception to the walking paths), and you call them chancers. So if the government are doing a good job (relatively) and this is all new (therefore the medical and scientific community advising the government are best placed) then surely you should be advocating that we follow the government plan?? Or What do you think should happen?
This is not a dig it's a genuine question. It's all very well to lay out googled stats and a post big long post calling other people chancers but what do you want? What parameters do you think should be laid out before we integrate into whatever the 'new normal' is going to be? What if there is never a vaccine? 
I and others have said we should follow the guidelines which at present say we start football again in July. Personally I say this because I just don't know as I am not an expert so I am following what the experts are saying. So what's your opinion? And if it differs to the experts, why?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2020, 07:39:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
Super sub . It's commentary like yours that really irritates, what makes you use such language as "a distinct possibility it wont go back to the way it was " throw in the drastic and all that jazz too.

If you asked me a month or two weeks ago , I'd be certainly weary of how long it would take to go back to normal because of predictions we were reading .

Now here in the 26 we are down to under 100 new cases daily , if that trajectory remains we could possibly be down to daily increase of single digit cases in two weeks time . If this continues further and we don't have any further spikes along the way into the summer I cannot for the life of me understand why there would be any restrictions bar foreign travel in and out .

Commentary that irritates? Or opinion that is realist? Sorry if you don't like my opinion, which was expressed on a forum, of debate, in response to a couple of posts that gave little thought to the past 2 months and have actually since been summed up very well in Sid's post.

The thing is, we are dealing in the unknown, that is why I said it's a distinct possibility. I didn't say it was certain, and taking into consideration the last few months I believe I'm well within my right to think and suggest so. I would love things to go back to normal tomorrow, absolutely, so the rhetoric of people not wanting it to return to the way it was certainly does not apply to me. I am just being realistic about the situation. No one answered any of my hypothetical situations about the various volunteers in the club and how they would be affected if it was all lifted tomorrow. Instead just a barrage of replies from people who didn't want to hear a harsh reality that could well play out.

It's all very well quoting the latest figures, but why is it so? Because of the guidance that has been followed. If it was all lifted tomorrow, or even u16s down as was suggested, you still have the rest of the volunteers outside these u16s who would need to be active again. That would also suggest other sports and gatherings could happen. Fair enough. But how can you be certain that it won't start to spread viciously again? Again, hypothetical - but the attitude to this was 'can't for the life of me' understand why it's not up and running etc. Surely you do understand though? You don't like it, but you still can understand the reasoning behind it? Maybe not. But I would be surprised.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:02:41 PM
Missing my point which is there are far too many who say on one hand we are heading for a "new normal " but on the other hand say it's unknown but shoot down people who remain optimistic that we will back to normal this time next year .

Interesting that our very own baldy George clooney (Tony houlihan) became a tad irate himself tonight when asked why secondary school students were addressed about zoom classroom behaviour going forward , the reporter then said shur it's there last day and we are going back to school next September, he then proceeded to tell us zoom classes/ E learning could be something used in education moving forward .  Now see this shit this is what is getting to us who are finding hard to cope with changes to life , it's like there is something not been told .

I'd rather die than live in the new normal for the rest of my days and I sincerely mean that .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 27, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
No i am saying keep social distance going in every normal day life things where possible
Walking Shopping Work etc
But my point is life must start moving again for example sport
The common flu can be passed on do we stop everything? The Covid virus is not as deadly as predicted. No where near in fact
The GAA does not exist in isolation. The GAA is part of society. Gaelic football and hurling are amateur sports. In a normal week you have many hundreds, probably thousands of matches up and down the country. If the GAA starts playing again, that means all sports start playing again. More soccer matches take place in an average week than GAA matches. Then there are rugby matches and other sports. There are all kinds of civic social gatherings - educational, organisational, creative.

Every single one is a potential virus-spreading event.

If sport takes place, that sets an example to everybody else - an example that social distancing is not to be taken seriously.

The common flu is a known quantity. We know what it does, we know how to treat it.

We are learning more about Covid-19 everyday, but it is still not a known quantity in the real sense, we still do not have reliable treatments for it. It is a disease our bodies do not recognise. That's why it kills people.

353,000 people have died worldwide from Covid-19 wwith 5.7 million cases, and these are only the recorded figures. The real death figures could well be several times more, the real case figures are likely many times more.

And that's with lockdowns and social distancing. God knows what it would be without it.

This is a deadly virus. There is no room for debate about that. It is a fact.

We do not know how this virus will behave in the future. We hope it goes away, but there's no real evidence to suggest it will. We hope we will have effective treatments, but we currently don't. We hope we will have a vaccine, but that will take a significant length of time to emerge, if it ever does. We have to presume the virus will stick around and that another wave is likely, and if there's another wave, it could well be during the winter. We have to behave in a way that will reduce the spread of it, because if we don't we likely will have a public health catastrophe.

This is about basic morality. We are inconveniencing ourselves in what we hope and expect will be a temporary manner (but for how long we do not know, though it will likely be dependent on adherence to restrictions) to try and protect millions of people. Our policy makers (in some countries some of them, shamefully, do not act in good faith even on a matter of this seriousness - but in most countries they do - in Ireland they have done) are trying to create a situation where some sort of tenuous normality can occur within a framework of reducing the virus. Amateur sport comes near the bottom of priorities in that, and rightly so.

I have had little enough time for John Horan as GAA President, but on this issue he has acted in an examplary manner. He has shown leadership and has demonstrated that the GAA does not exist in isolation from society, and cannot behave as if it does. It is part of society. It cannot operate a pissing section in a swimming pool. It cannot operate a smoking section in an aeroplane.

People arguing the contrary are saying, "ah, it'll probably be grand". Wing and a prayer stuff. There is no evidence to back their rhetoric. That's not how public policy is supposed to work, it's exactly how it is not supposed to work.

There's a chance this virus may not turn out to be as not as catastrophic as feared (though it has already been catastrophic). Of course there's a chance. What chance that that chance will turn out to be the case? Nobody knows. Who operates on chances on such a matter, or advocates we operates on chances? Chancers, that's who. I don't want chancers in charge of policy. We already have a litany of evidence worldwide from contemporary politics and policy making as to why it's a very bad idea to put chancers in charge.

A lot of sense talked in this post and can't disagree with a lot of the first section of the post. However I genuinely don't understand what you think should happen. You say that we don't know about this virus, whether there will be a second wave etc...etc....  (which is all right). But you then go on the somewhat hint at praise for the Irish governments response. So I am left wondering, what you actually think should happen ? Alot of your posts have been in response to people advocating the restart of our games, yet everyone I have seen is advocating it in line with the guidelines set out (with exception to the walking paths), and you call them chancers. So if the government are doing a good job (relatively) and this is all new (therefore the medical and scientific community advising the government are best placed) then surely you should be advocating that we follow the government plan?? Or What do you think should happen?
This is not a dig it's a genuine question. It's all very well to lay out googled stats and a post big long post calling other people chancers but what do you want? What parameters do you think should be laid out before we integrate into whatever the 'new normal' is going to be? What if there is never a vaccine? 
I and others have said we should follow the guidelines which at present say we start football again in July. Personally I say this because I just don't know as I am not an expert so I am following what the experts are saying. So what's your opinion? And if it differs to the experts, why?
I think the government have made mistakes, the really big one being the care homes. Overall I would give them a low pass mark. I think their tone has been good, in practice they've been less impressive. They were slow off the mark back in February/March, everybody was, they simply couldn't believe the magnitude of the problem they were suddenly facing and the measures that would be needed. Their testing and contact tracing strategy claimed similarity to South Korea, but they were nowhere near it, because of a consistent running down of state capacity, not just by the recent Fine Gael governments, but by many governments over several decades. But I guess the cavalier and often disgraceful attitude of certain high profile governments internationally sort of helps the impression one gets of our government Small mercies.

I'm am uneasy at the prospect of sport returning on July 20th, and would prefer a later date, but I uneasily accept it on the proviso that it is still nearly two months away, and on the proviso that all reopening measures are subject to immediate reverse should numbers not continue on their current trajectory. That latter point has to be rammed home at every opportunity - that the recovery in the public health situation is very fragile. If we are down to daily single figures of cases by then, preferably low single figures, I will cautiously accept a tentative restart.

What I strongly object to is the generalised impatient rhetoric and tone of people (again, hello Colm O'Rourke) that the worst is categorically over, that we need "less caution" and it's time to "open things up ta fook". This sort of American style attitude is something that has become increasingly pervasive, particularly across social media platforms, and it has real life consequences, and puts at risk the downward trend of the numbers. Tone is everything. Tone can determine how large numbers of people think, whether they are careless or responsible. For a while now, I've felt that the tone of carelessness has been winning, the first time I heard such a tone was on the Brendan O'Connor radio show on RTE 1 as far back as April 5th. Since then, domestic professional contrarian voices have grown ever louder, and international professional contrarian voices have been deafening. Carelessness is our enemy, caution is our friend.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 27, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on May 27, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 27, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
No i am saying keep social distance going in every normal day life things where possible
Walking Shopping Work etc
But my point is life must start moving again for example sport
The common flu can be passed on do we stop everything? The Covid virus is not as deadly as predicted. No where near in fact
The GAA does not exist in isolation. The GAA is part of society. Gaelic football and hurling are amateur sports. In a normal week you have many hundreds, probably thousands of matches up and down the country. If the GAA starts playing again, that means all sports start playing again. More soccer matches take place in an average week than GAA matches. Then there are rugby matches and other sports. There are all kinds of civic social gatherings - educational, organisational, creative.

Every single one is a potential virus-spreading event.

If sport takes place, that sets an example to everybody else - an example that social distancing is not to be taken seriously.

The common flu is a known quantity. We know what it does, we know how to treat it.

We are learning more about Covid-19 everyday, but it is still not a known quantity in the real sense, we still do not have reliable treatments for it. It is a disease our bodies do not recognise. That's why it kills people.

353,000 people have died worldwide from Covid-19 wwith 5.7 million cases, and these are only the recorded figures. The real death figures could well be several times more, the real case figures are likely many times more.

And that's with lockdowns and social distancing. God knows what it would be without it.

This is a deadly virus. There is no room for debate about that. It is a fact.

We do not know how this virus will behave in the future. We hope it goes away, but there's no real evidence to suggest it will. We hope we will have effective treatments, but we currently don't. We hope we will have a vaccine, but that will take a significant length of time to emerge, if it ever does. We have to presume the virus will stick around and that another wave is likely, and if there's another wave, it could well be during the winter. We have to behave in a way that will reduce the spread of it, because if we don't we likely will have a public health catastrophe.

This is about basic morality. We are inconveniencing ourselves in what we hope and expect will be a temporary manner (but for how long we do not know, though it will likely be dependent on adherence to restrictions) to try and protect millions of people. Our policy makers (in some countries some of them, shamefully, do not act in good faith even on a matter of this seriousness - but in most countries they do - in Ireland they have done) are trying to create a situation where some sort of tenuous normality can occur within a framework of reducing the virus. Amateur sport comes near the bottom of priorities in that, and rightly so.

I have had little enough time for John Horan as GAA President, but on this issue he has acted in an examplary manner. He has shown leadership and has demonstrated that the GAA does not exist in isolation from society, and cannot behave as if it does. It is part of society. It cannot operate a pissing section in a swimming pool. It cannot operate a smoking section in an aeroplane.

People arguing the contrary are saying, "ah, it'll probably be grand". Wing and a prayer stuff. There is no evidence to back their rhetoric. That's not how public policy is supposed to work, it's exactly how it is not supposed to work.

There's a chance this virus may not turn out to be as not as catastrophic as feared (though it has already been catastrophic). Of course there's a chance. What chance that that chance will turn out to be the case? Nobody knows. Who operates on chances on such a matter, or advocates we operates on chances? Chancers, that's who. I don't want chancers in charge of policy. We already have a litany of evidence worldwide from contemporary politics and policy making as to why it's a very bad idea to put chancers in charge.

A lot of sense talked in this post and can't disagree with a lot of the first section of the post. However I genuinely don't understand what you think should happen. You say that we don't know about this virus, whether there will be a second wave etc...etc....  (which is all right). But you then go on the somewhat hint at praise for the Irish governments response. So I am left wondering, what you actually think should happen ? Alot of your posts have been in response to people advocating the restart of our games, yet everyone I have seen is advocating it in line with the guidelines set out (with exception to the walking paths), and you call them chancers. So if the government are doing a good job (relatively) and this is all new (therefore the medical and scientific community advising the government are best placed) then surely you should be advocating that we follow the government plan?? Or What do you think should happen?
This is not a dig it's a genuine question. It's all very well to lay out googled stats and a post big long post calling other people chancers but what do you want? What parameters do you think should be laid out before we integrate into whatever the 'new normal' is going to be? What if there is never a vaccine? 
I and others have said we should follow the guidelines which at present say we start football again in July. Personally I say this because I just don't know as I am not an expert so I am following what the experts are saying. So what's your opinion? And if it differs to the experts, why?
I think the government have made mistakes, the really big one being the care homes. Overall I would give them a low pass mark. I think their tone has been good, in practice they've been less impressive. They were slow off the mark back in February/March, everybody was, they simply couldn't believe the magnitude of the problem they were suddenly facing and the measures that would be needed. Their testing and contact tracing strategy claimed similarity to South Korea, but they were nowhere near it, because of a consistent running down of state capacity, not just by the recent Fine Gael governments, but by many governments over several decades. But I guess the cavalier and often disgraceful attitude of certain high profile governments internationally sort of helps the impression one gets of our government Small mercies.

I'm am uneasy at the prospect of sport returning on July 20th, and would prefer a later date, but I uneasily accept it on the proviso that it is still nearly two months away, and on the proviso that all reopening measures are subject to immediate reverse should numbers not continue on their current trajectory. That latter point has to be rammed home at every opportunity - that the recovery in the public health situation is very fragile. If we are down to daily single figures of cases by then, preferably low single figures, I will cautiously accept a tentative restart.

What I strongly object to is the generalised impatient rhetoric and tone of people (again, hello Colm O'Rourke) that the worst is categorically over, that we need "less caution" and it's time to "open things up ta fook". This sort of American style attitude is something that has become increasingly pervasive, particularly across social media platforms, and it has real life consequences, and puts at risk the downward trend of the numbers. Tone is everything. Tone can determine how large numbers of people think, whether they are careless or responsible. For a while now, I've felt that the tone of carelessness has been winning, the first time I heard such a tone was on the Brendan O'Connor radio show on RTE 1 as far back as April 5th. Since then, domestic professional contrarian voices have grown ever louder, and international professional contrarian voices have been deafening. Carelessness is our enemy, caution is our friend.
Thanks for such a well reasoned and detailed response and I agree with almost all of what you say. I think your correct in your summation of the governments response. They have appeared and sounded very assured but when you actually analyse the impact then it's slightly less impressive. Having said that, I would still give them a pass mark as a lot of what they got wrong are things which have been gotten wrong across the world (with obvious exceptions).
With regards easing of restrictions again I tend to agree with most of what you say, but I would add that, as I have said on other posts, this isn't a black and white case of be cautious or be careless there are so many aspects to this, not least the impact that lockdown is having on the physical and mental health of the population. It is not an easy solution by any means but we have to ensure that the cure (lockdown) does not end up worse than the disease. Hence why I would be keen to ease as much as possible as soon as possible but most importantly as safe as possible. It's all about the balance for me, and I suppose I am putting faith in the government and their advisers getting that balance right.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on May 28, 2020, 12:26:01 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:02:41 PM
Missing my point which is there are far too many who say on one hand we are heading for a "new normal " but on the other hand say it's unknown but shoot down people who remain optimistic that we will back to normal this time next year .

Interesting that our very own baldy George clooney (Tony houlihan) became a tad irate himself tonight when asked why secondary school students were addressed about zoom classroom behaviour going forward , the reporter then said shur it's there last day and we are going back to school next September, he then proceeded to tell us zoom classes/ E learning could be something used in education moving forward .  Now see this shit this is what is getting to us who are finding hard to cope with changes to life , it's like there is something not been told .

I'd rather die than live in the new normal for the rest of my days and I sincerely mean that .

Sorry but the more you explain your feelings, the clearer it is to me that you are in denial that there is going to be immediate change. I don't think either of your two points in bold are even debatable. In my opinion there will be changes to life over the next while and we are uncertain about the extent to which they will be..Would you not agree?

You have introduced a new timescale here however. You now say people who are optimistic about being back to normal this time next year are being shot down. From my point of view that simply is not the case. The point I was making was about the here and now, about the imminent changes to everyday life which are going to unfold over the next few weeks and months. By this time next year yes I would say there is a great chance we will be back to normal as we know it. However that was not the original sentiment here, it was those who wanted it to go back to normal right now were being questioned.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 28, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

The fitness arms race will never stop in the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on May 28, 2020, 11:39:45 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.


And back in the day, the new Croke Park.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on May 28, 2020, 12:08:07 PM
Ulster secretary, Bryan McAvoy was on Frank's U105 phone in this morning, diddnt catch it all, anyone know if it's available online?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Highly unlikely would all players across the water destroy the likes of Brian Fenton,Ciarán Kilkenny, Jack McCaffrey for fitness

Are you referring to something about 5 or 6 years ago with Kernan in his 30s and retired from inter County? If so He had this to say about his experience.

Quote
There is little difference between Sunderland and Armagh's physical preparations and is convinced GAA players' fitness levels are up there with the professional sportsmen.

Comparing the two, he said of soccer: "It's tougher in that they are picking from the whole world now – it's obviously a bigger pool. But is it tougher to get yourself in top condition to perform as an inter-county footballer? It is. Because that's their job and everything is laid on for them, whereas we can get to the same fitness level, same endurance level and all that without the same time to put in


Fitness and conditioning levels has ramped up again since Aaron left the county scene. We hear it often about the serious commitment required to be a county player nowadays especially for lads working full time and traveling long distances to training. It all results in some lads with years left deciding to retire early others opting out and some not returning.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on May 28, 2020, 05:14:26 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0528/1143212-counties-plan-as-gaa-clarify-social-distancing-stance/

Not exactly sure what this means... is it just Senior??

Surely they can't expect underage players to all arrive seperately to games?? Will it just be championship?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 28, 2020, 05:27:10 PM
Might get parents to go watch matches that they have kids involved in
As I said before Horan went on a solo run which he should not have done
The government give out a road map of return to play July 20
Return to train June 8 whilst keeping social distancing measures
Why he went on a solo nobody knows
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Last Caress on May 28, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 28, 2020, 05:27:10 PM
Might get parents to go watch matches that they have kids involved in
As I said before Horan went on a solo run which he should not have done
The government give out a road map of return to play July 20
Return to train June 8 whilst keeping social distancing measures
Why he went on a solo nobody knows
Smurfy I Think it's time you got yourself back to the Down Discussion Board and defended that club of yours. It's just been named and shamed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Highly unlikely would all players across the water destroy the likes of Brian Fenton,Ciarán Kilkenny, Jack McCaffrey for fitness

Are you referring to something about 5 or 6 years ago with Kernan in his 30s and retired from inter County? If so He had this to say about his experience.

Quote
There is little difference between Sunderland and Armagh's physical preparations and is convinced GAA players' fitness levels are up there with the professional sportsmen.

Comparing the two, he said of soccer: "It's tougher in that they are picking from the whole world now – it's obviously a bigger pool. But is it tougher to get yourself in top condition to perform as an inter-county footballer? It is. Because that's their job and everything is laid on for them, whereas we can get to the same fitness level, same endurance level and all that without the same time to put in


Fitness and conditioning levels has ramped up again since Aaron left the county scene. We hear it often about the serious commitment required to be a county player nowadays especially for lads working full time and traveling long distances to training. It all results in some lads with years left deciding to retire early others opting out and some not returning.

Why is it highly unlikely?

Pro footballers can play up to 70 games a season and that's at 90 minutes a game. I've played both, association football takes a lot more out of you, tiredness and fatigue leads to far more costlier mistakes in association football.

The GAA love to give themselves a nice pat on the back for its amateur status but statements like GAA players are as fit or fitter than professional athletes is absurd on the whole.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: JoG2 on May 29, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Highly unlikely would all players across the water destroy the likes of Brian Fenton,Ciarán Kilkenny, Jack McCaffrey for fitness

Are you referring to something about 5 or 6 years ago with Kernan in his 30s and retired from inter County? If so He had this to say about his experience.

Quote
There is little difference between Sunderland and Armagh's physical preparations and is convinced GAA players' fitness levels are up there with the professional sportsmen.

Comparing the two, he said of soccer: "It's tougher in that they are picking from the whole world now – it's obviously a bigger pool. But is it tougher to get yourself in top condition to perform as an inter-county footballer? It is. Because that's their job and everything is laid on for them, whereas we can get to the same fitness level, same endurance level and all that without the same time to put in


Fitness and conditioning levels has ramped up again since Aaron left the county scene. We hear it often about the serious commitment required to be a county player nowadays especially for lads working full time and traveling long distances to training. It all results in some lads with years left deciding to retire early others opting out and some not returning.

Why is it highly unlikely?

Pro footballers can play up to 70 games a season and that's at 90 minutes a game. I've played both, association football takes a lot more out of you, tiredness and fatigue leads to far more costlier mistakes in association football.

The GAA love to give themselves a nice pat on the back for its amateur status but statements like GAA players are as fit or fitter than professional athletes is absurd on the whole.

No harm to you Angelo, but I can only assume you were a goalkeeper when playing football. I played both for a long long time, soccer to a decent enough level as a midfielder. Football is way more demanding physically than soccer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 29, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Highly unlikely would all players across the water destroy the likes of Brian Fenton,Ciarán Kilkenny, Jack McCaffrey for fitness

Are you referring to something about 5 or 6 years ago with Kernan in his 30s and retired from inter County? If so He had this to say about his experience.

Quote
There is little difference between Sunderland and Armagh's physical preparations and is convinced GAA players' fitness levels are up there with the professional sportsmen.

Comparing the two, he said of soccer: "It's tougher in that they are picking from the whole world now – it's obviously a bigger pool. But is it tougher to get yourself in top condition to perform as an inter-county footballer? It is. Because that's their job and everything is laid on for them, whereas we can get to the same fitness level, same endurance level and all that without the same time to put in


Fitness and conditioning levels has ramped up again since Aaron left the county scene. We hear it often about the serious commitment required to be a county player nowadays especially for lads working full time and traveling long distances to training. It all results in some lads with years left deciding to retire early others opting out and some not returning.

Why is it highly unlikely?

Pro footballers can play up to 70 games a season and that's at 90 minutes a game. I've played both, association football takes a lot more out of you, tiredness and fatigue leads to far more costlier mistakes in association football.

The GAA love to give themselves a nice pat on the back for its amateur status but statements like GAA players are as fit or fitter than professional athletes is absurd on the whole.

No harm to you Angelo, but I can only assume you were a goalkeeper when playing football. I played both for a long long time, soccer to a decent enough level as a midfielder. Football is way more demanding physically than soccer.

I played as a full back and played at semi-pro level in the Irish league. I generally played half back or half forward in Gaelic football. The fitness standards are miles apart. Association football requires a far higher standard of fitness.

Most people's impression of association football might be playing a bit with their local side after a few pints the night before but I'm talking about playing at a decent amateur level.

I'd find I had plenty left in the tank after a Gaelic football match, less so association football.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2020, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the “new normal “ . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Highly unlikely would all players across the water destroy the likes of Brian Fenton,Ciarán Kilkenny, Jack McCaffrey for fitness

Are you referring to something about 5 or 6 years ago with Kernan in his 30s and retired from inter County? If so He had this to say about his experience.

Quote
There is little difference between Sunderland and Armagh’s physical preparations and is convinced GAA players’ fitness levels are up there with the professional sportsmen.

Comparing the two, he said of soccer: “It’s tougher in that they are picking from the whole world now – it’s obviously a bigger pool. But is it tougher to get yourself in top condition to perform as an inter-county footballer? It is. Because that’s their job and everything is laid on for them, whereas we can get to the same fitness level, same endurance level and all that without the same time to put in


Fitness and conditioning levels has ramped up again since Aaron left the county scene. We hear it often about the serious commitment required to be a county player nowadays especially for lads working full time and traveling long distances to training. It all results in some lads with years left deciding to retire early others opting out and some not returning.

Why is it highly unlikely?


Pro footballers can play up to 70 games a season and that's at 90 minutes a game. I've played both, association football takes a lot more out of you, tiredness and fatigue leads to far more costlier mistakes in association football.

The GAA love to give themselves a nice pat on the back for its amateur status but statements like GAA players are as fit or fitter than professional athletes is absurd on the whole.

Because regardless of what team sport they happen to be playing their fitness levels I doubt can get much higher than it currently is. And I said some players and teams not all.

No pats on the back when GAA HQ do little about players that opt out or retire early because many feel the "normal" to be a inter County player proves to be too much of a commitment.  Now if Inter County GAA was their job and they lived on the door step to training like it is across the water the normal would probably be more acceptable for the majority of players who had enough of the county game.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 29, 2020, 05:38:31 PM
Maybe Angelo (a year older but doesn't seem much wiser) should check with Eoin Bradley how much extra fitness did he require when he moved to Nordie Soccerball?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2020, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Highly unlikely would all players across the water destroy the likes of Brian Fenton,Ciarán Kilkenny, Jack McCaffrey for fitness

Are you referring to something about 5 or 6 years ago with Kernan in his 30s and retired from inter County? If so He had this to say about his experience.

Quote
There is little difference between Sunderland and Armagh's physical preparations and is convinced GAA players' fitness levels are up there with the professional sportsmen.

Comparing the two, he said of soccer: "It's tougher in that they are picking from the whole world now – it's obviously a bigger pool. But is it tougher to get yourself in top condition to perform as an inter-county footballer? It is. Because that's their job and everything is laid on for them, whereas we can get to the same fitness level, same endurance level and all that without the same time to put in


Fitness and conditioning levels has ramped up again since Aaron left the county scene. We hear it often about the serious commitment required to be a county player nowadays especially for lads working full time and traveling long distances to training. It all results in some lads with years left deciding to retire early others opting out and some not returning.

Why is it highly unlikely?


Pro footballers can play up to 70 games a season and that's at 90 minutes a game. I've played both, association football takes a lot more out of you, tiredness and fatigue leads to far more costlier mistakes in association football.

The GAA love to give themselves a nice pat on the back for its amateur status but statements like GAA players are as fit or fitter than professional athletes is absurd on the whole.

Because regardless of what team sport they happen to be playing their fitness levels I doubt can get much higher than it currently is. And I said some players and teams not all.

No pats on the back when GAA HQ do little about players that opt out or retire early because many feel the "normal" to be a inter County player proves to be too much of a commitment.  Now if Inter County GAA was their job and they lived on the door step to training like it is across the water the normal would probably be more acceptable for the majority of players who had enough of the county game.

I'd say they certainly could, association footballers can play up to 70 games a year or more at 90+ minutes a game, maximum of 3 substitutes.

What's the most a GAA player will play? Maybe 15 games at intercounty level? 70 minutes a side, maybe 10-15 between club and college at 60 a side?

We all saw how Aaron Kernan who could well go the pace at intercounty level couldn't believe the fitness levels of the Sunderland u18s or u20s, he couldn't believe the weights they were lifting despite between half the size of them. Most of those Sunderland youth players were never going to make the grade at a reasonable level, the majority probably no longer play or are in non league football.

It's absolute nonsense that is pedalled about GAA players fitness levels, fair play to them a lot of them work full time jobs and it's a hobby. I wouldn't expect them to be as fit as professional football players.

But it also negates the fact that football is a game that requires far more endurance than gaelic football, you will have guys in football who can rely on their brain and on their ability and are smart enough not to have to cover the yards others do but the ones who rely on their engines would blow a GAA player out of the water. It's extremely naive to believe the horse shit that goes on about GAA players and their fitness levels, if you genuinely believe that, you will believe anything.

And I'm not taking a pop at GAA player whom a lot will have full time jobs and family commitments to work around so it's only natural.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 11:00:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2020, 05:38:31 PM
Maybe Angelo (a year older but doesn't seem much wiser) should check with Eoin Bradley how much extra fitness did he require when he moved to Nordie Soccerball?

What's soccerball? Are you an American?

Have Roscommon ever produced a pro footballer? I wouldn't expect you to know the huge differences about the game and what it requires.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 30, 2020, 12:11:43 AM
I always have my suspicions on anyone coming on a GAA forum and constantly referring to soccer as "football" ;)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 30, 2020, 01:30:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2020, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 29, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 28, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 27, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Do you know what the new normal will be like? Try it first to see.

And another one who is promoting the "new normal " . How about fook the new normal .

Theres lots of the normal that we shouldn't ever be returning too. The last few months was a real eyeopener to the rat race the so called normal was.

GAA also need to look at what was considered as normal, Did we really need amateur teams doing over the top training whereby some teams are fitter and more conditioned than some professional sports teams across the water?

Is this not a myth?

Didn't Aaron Kernan look way out of place on the fitness levels with the Sunderland youth team that time?

I think it's the sort of back slapping the GAA likes to give itself about it's amateur status.

Association football requires far higher levels of fitness than a GAA player, you'll always have players in association football than can survive to a degree on their ability and brain because it's a cerebral game but the ones whose game is based on their engine would absolutely destroy the top GAA player in fitness terms.
Highly unlikely would all players across the water destroy the likes of Brian Fenton,Ciarán Kilkenny, Jack McCaffrey for fitness

Are you referring to something about 5 or 6 years ago with Kernan in his 30s and retired from inter County? If so He had this to say about his experience.

Quote
There is little difference between Sunderland and Armagh's physical preparations and is convinced GAA players' fitness levels are up there with the professional sportsmen.

Comparing the two, he said of soccer: "It's tougher in that they are picking from the whole world now – it's obviously a bigger pool. But is it tougher to get yourself in top condition to perform as an inter-county footballer? It is. Because that's their job and everything is laid on for them, whereas we can get to the same fitness level, same endurance level and all that without the same time to put in


Fitness and conditioning levels has ramped up again since Aaron left the county scene. We hear it often about the serious commitment required to be a county player nowadays especially for lads working full time and traveling long distances to training. It all results in some lads with years left deciding to retire early others opting out and some not returning.

Why is it highly unlikely?


Pro footballers can play up to 70 games a season and that's at 90 minutes a game. I've played both, association football takes a lot more out of you, tiredness and fatigue leads to far more costlier mistakes in association football.

The GAA love to give themselves a nice pat on the back for its amateur status but statements like GAA players are as fit or fitter than professional athletes is absurd on the whole.

Because regardless of what team sport they happen to be playing their fitness levels I doubt can get much higher than it currently is. And I said some players and teams not all.

No pats on the back when GAA HQ do little about players that opt out or retire early because many feel the "normal" to be a inter County player proves to be too much of a commitment.  Now if Inter County GAA was their job and they lived on the door step to training like it is across the water the normal would probably be more acceptable for the majority of players who had enough of the county game.

I'd say they certainly could, association footballers can play up to 70 games a year or more at 90+ minutes a game, maximum of 3 substitutes.

What's the most a GAA player will play? Maybe 15 games at intercounty level? 70 minutes a side, maybe 10-15 between club and college at 60 a side?

We all saw how Aaron Kernan who could well go the pace at intercounty level couldn't believe the fitness levels of the Sunderland u18s or u20s, he couldn't believe the weights they were lifting despite between half the size of them. Most of those Sunderland youth players were never going to make the grade at a reasonable level, the majority probably no longer play or are in non league football.

It's absolute nonsense that is pedalled about GAA players fitness levels, fair play to them a lot of them work full time jobs and it's a hobby. I wouldn't expect them to be as fit as professional football players.

But it also negates the fact that football is a game that requires far more endurance than gaelic football, you will have guys in football who can rely on their brain and on their ability and are smart enough not to have to cover the yards others do but the ones who rely on their engines would blow a GAA player out of the water. It's extremely naive to believe the horse shit that goes on about GAA players and their fitness levels, if you genuinely believe that, you will believe anything.

And I'm not taking a pop at GAA player whom a lot will have full time jobs and family commitments to work around so it's only natural.

You clearly have, intentionally or not.

Strangely you ignored my question and quote from Aaron Kernan while continue to talk about him in an effort to strengthen your debate. As for the rest you are entitled to your opinion and can knock yourself out if you believe in all of that in particular that blow out of the water view.

I'd probably be in agreement with a lot of what you said if the discussion and comparison was on players from the 80s,90s, early 00s than modern day GAA county players especially those that regularly play in the business end of the championship.

Going back to the original post and on the desire to return to normal,  I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking whats required to be county amateur player nowadays can't be considered as normal?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on May 30, 2020, 12:47:37 PM
Hell for leather in some gaa pitches in Dublin this morning , fact .

Know a senior club player from Kildare who also said on Thursday they got the heads up back training in July and championship will go ahead this year .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on May 30, 2020, 01:59:50 PM
Don't know how reliable this is but heard that plan in Ros is to start the Championship late August.
3 games in 1 venue, deep cleans of dressing rooms between matches, 1 set of 8 match officials ( who'll rotate their roles over the 3 games) and no spectators.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 02:20:51 PM
What's the reason for no spectators?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 30, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 02:20:51 PM
What's the reason for no spectators?
Superspreading plus
no vaccine
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 03:04:24 PM
As long as everyone is 2m surely they can't stop you from supporting a team?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on May 30, 2020, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 02:20:51 PM
What's the reason for no spectators?
Superspreading plus
no vaccine
I'd go with the view of John Horan and many others.

If it's not safe for any spectators to attend then it's not safe for players and officials.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 03:36:30 PM
I don't get it. Why is it not safe for supporters?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 03:36:30 PM
I don't get it. Why is it not safe for supporters?

In case there may be an asymptomatic supporter at a match who could pass the symptoms on to a person beside him/her who might experience bad symptoms perhaps.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 09:25:43 PM
But surely 2M distance can apply at a club match? Beaches open but no supporters allowed at club matches. What's that all about?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.

Maybe not so much as important for the global game, but for the domestic. I'm not saying do it this week or next, but if the GAA don't make a move soon. Other sports will, how many players will the GAA lose forever with participation already a major issue? At it's core the GAA is completely dependant on the next crop of youngsters coming year after year without fail. We might well see that collapse the longer it takes to put something out there.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.

Think you are way overestimating the appeal of hurling outside of Ireland.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: maldini on May 31, 2020, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.

Maybe not so much as important for the global game, but for the domestic. I'm not saying do it this week or next, but if the GAA don't make a move soon. Other sports will, how many players will the GAA lose forever with participation already a major issue? At it's core the GAA is completely dependant on the next crop of youngsters coming year after year without fail. We might well see that collapse the longer it takes to put something out there.

What are they going to lose players to? Not as if there are other team sports going to be on anytime soon
I'd assume the likes of GAA, soccer and rugby will all resume back around the same time
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2020, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

The spectacle of Dublin embarrassing everyone lately is something to behold
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Never beat the deeler on June 01, 2020, 12:26:59 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 09:25:43 PM
But surely 2M distance can apply at a club match? Beaches open but no supporters allowed at club matches. What's that all about?

How long would it take to get everyone out of the grounds?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on June 01, 2020, 09:21:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2020, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

The spectacle of Dublin embarrassing everyone lately is something to behold

Luckily hurling have never had such problems.  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 01, 2020, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: maldini on May 31, 2020, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.

Maybe not so much as important for the global game, but for the domestic. I'm not saying do it this week or next, but if the GAA don't make a move soon. Other sports will, how many players will the GAA lose forever with participation already a major issue? At it's core the GAA is completely dependant on the next crop of youngsters coming year after year without fail. We might well see that collapse the longer it takes to put something out there.

What are they going to lose players to? Not as if there are other team sports going to be on anytime soon
I'd assume the likes of GAA, soccer and rugby will all resume back around the same time

I didn't mean team sport, there'll be a loss to Crossfit, Weightlifting, Running etc which will all be capable of restarting soon, if not already underway....individual sports. I have seen over the past few weeks especially a lot more fellas posting on various platforms about their gripes with the GAA. If it comes to pass, who knows. But the GAA is in hiding at the minute, when their members really do need them most.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on June 01, 2020, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 01, 2020, 09:21:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2020, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

The spectacle of Dublin embarrassing everyone lately is something to behold

Luckily hurling have never had such problems.  ;)
There was nothing like watching Kilkenny inflict a 38 point defeat on Wexford or Offaly in the Leinster championship.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: didlyi on June 01, 2020, 10:28:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It’s  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they’ll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

2019 saved by a replay after a man was sent off in final. Kerry Donegal being an excpetion
2018 Super 8's saved by a last minute goal by Kerry from being a complete flop
2017 One decent game. The final

Top level football ie:super 8's has not been a great spectacle. Mediocre at best. There were well over 60 championship games each year since the beginning of the super 8's and just a handfull of great spectacles. Not a great return IMO
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on June 01, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: didlyi on June 01, 2020, 10:28:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

2019 saved by a replay after a man was sent off in final. Kerry Donegal being an excpetion
2018 Super 8's saved by a last minute goal by Kerry from being a complete flop
2017 One decent game. The final

Top level football ie:super 8's has not been a great spectacle. Mediocre at best. There were well over 60 championship games each year since the beginning of the super 8's and just a handfull of great spectacles. Not a great return IMO
The best games of Gaelic football over the last seven or eight years have been the best games in the history of the sport.

People continually mistake the general level of competitiveness between teams, which has declined, with general standard, which has gone far up.

Games between Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and occasionally Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone over the last eight years have been compelling spectacles and exhibitions of quality.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on June 01, 2020, 11:06:26 AM
Look at the level of competitiveness in the 1970s and early 80s.  Ulster and Connaught not at the races and apart from Offaly it was all about Dublin and Kerry. 

For my money the golden era started with Meath in 87.  Then you had a succession of new and different winners and every province was competitive. Meath, Cork, Down, Donegal, Derry, Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Armagh and Tyrone all won all-irelands in that 15-20 year period.  During that time, Monaghan, Clare, Offaly, Kildare, Laois, Westmeath, Roscommon, Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim all won provincial titles.  The closest thing to that in the past was probably the 60s. 

Domination of one or two teams has been the norm and that 20 year period was the exception.  We are now back to complete domination by Dublin, and while the technical quality of the football and players' fitness has never been better, there is less left to chance and the old addage of "it's all on the day" has gone and part of the charm and spectacle has gone with it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on June 01, 2020, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 01, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: didlyi on June 01, 2020, 10:28:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

2019 saved by a replay after a man was sent off in final. Kerry Donegal being an excpetion
2018 Super 8's saved by a last minute goal by Kerry from being a complete flop
2017 One decent game. The final

Top level football ie:super 8's has not been a great spectacle. Mediocre at best. There were well over 60 championship games each year since the beginning of the super 8's and just a handfull of great spectacles. Not a great return IMO
The best games of Gaelic football over the last seven or eight years have been the best games in the history of the sport.

People continually mistake the general level of competitiveness between teams, which has declined, with general standard, which has gone far up.

Games between Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and occasionally Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone over the last eight years have been compelling spectacles and exhibitions of quality.

In terms of skill, quality, fitness levels your argument is undoubtedly true. In terms of spectator entertainment I think the game has declined since Jimmy McGuinness reinvented football. The balance has redressed itself a little in the last few years but Gaelic football is now still largely a hand passing possession based game which leads to less action, one on one duels and genuine contests for possession which subsequently reduces it as a spectacle.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 01, 2020, 12:25:37 PM
Absolutely Yellow Card.
Those people who did up the Government "road map" must have looked at some footage of modern games when they decided Gaelic football wasn't a contact sport.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on June 01, 2020, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: APM on June 01, 2020, 11:06:26 AM
Look at the level of competitiveness in the 1970s and early 80s.  Ulster and Connaught not at the races and apart from Offaly it was all about Dublin and Kerry. 

For my money the golden era started with Meath in 87.  Then you had a succession of new and different winners and every province was competitive. Meath, Cork, Down, Donegal, Derry, Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Armagh and Tyrone all won all-irelands in that 15-20 year period.  During that time, Monaghan, Clare, Offaly, Kildare, Laois, Westmeath, Roscommon, Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim all won provincial titles.  The closest thing to that in the past was probably the 60s. 

Domination of one or two teams has been the norm and that 20 year period was the exception.  We are now back to complete domination by Dublin, and while the technical quality of the football and players' fitness has never been better, there is less left to chance and the old addage of "it's all on the day" has gone and part of the charm and spectacle has gone with it.

Agree with all this.

To go further, I've seen little evidence to suggest that football has ever been much of a spectacle. So that chat about the styles and rules and that sort of stuff seems like a distraction from the real issues with the game today.

The competitiveness, the tribalism, the fever that rises in an area when a team is going well. These are the things that get the blood pumping.

Monopolies are what slows the blood and drains the life out of the sport, and that's what we have now. If we want to drive more interest and get some of the magic back then this is the issue we have to tackle.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: didlyi on June 02, 2020, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 01, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: didlyi on June 01, 2020, 10:28:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.
Hurling doesn't even get attention in most of Ireland.

It's  better than the bogball/basketball game that used to be football, before they changed the rules about a thousand times, still making a Horlicks of it and dominated by one team for past ten years  ;D ;D

I wonder what rules they'll bring in next
The top level of Gaelic football as played now is a better spectacle than it has ever been.

I love hurling but the fact is that interest in it is very esoteric in this country, and that's the way a lot of "hurling people" (let's face it, to be accepted as a hurling person you have to be a man - the clique of hurling men, great hurling men, true hurling men etc.) like it.

2019 saved by a replay after a man was sent off in final. Kerry Donegal being an excpetion
2018 Super 8's saved by a last minute goal by Kerry from being a complete flop
2017 One decent game. The final

Top level football ie:super 8's has not been a great spectacle. Mediocre at best. There were well over 60 championship games each year since the beginning of the super 8's and just a handfull of great spectacles. Not a great return IMO
The best games of Gaelic football over the last seven or eight years have been the best games in the history of the sport.

People continually mistake the general level of competitiveness between teams, which has declined, with general standard, which has gone far up.

Games between Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and occasionally Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone over the last eight years have been compelling spectacles and exhibitions of quality.

Just because top teams have managed to put together hundreds of slick hand passes without error does not necessarily mean the standard has got better. You are not the first to confuse hype with quality in Gaelic football.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 02, 2020, 11:37:36 AM
Back on track.....
Any whispers from the GAA Covid Committee?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on June 02, 2020, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
If the GAA got the championship up and running now the sports would get priceless global attention. Hurling is far more interesting than the Bundesliga.

Maybe not so much as important for the global game, but for the domestic. I'm not saying do it this week or next, but if the GAA don't make a move soon. Other sports will, how many players will the GAA lose forever with participation already a major issue? At it's core the GAA is completely dependant on the next crop of youngsters coming year after year without fail. We might well see that collapse the longer it takes to put something out there.

can see the GAA losing a good amount of young players, and once the dust has settled I think clubs that were already struggling with numbers will now likely find themselves having to amalgamate a few years sooner than expected.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 02, 2020, 01:05:24 PM
Ross you have fair changed your tune
You had all but written off the season a few weeks ago
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 04, 2020, 12:14:23 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0603/1145307-gaa-reveal-guidelines-for-opening-walkways/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clonadmad on June 04, 2020, 02:44:35 PM
Open letter to Laois CB and HQ from Laois Chairman

https://twitter.com/parkratheniska/status/1268515342055280641?s=21

Attn: Peter and all GAA administrators,

     Peter, we have spoken in past weeks and I expressed my views regarding the reopening of the GAA grounds. Further time has passed whereby I feel the need to write to you and the GAA leadership in general. The GAA 'lock out' has gone on long enough. 

COVID19 has obviously had a huge impact on all our lives and I am very concerned regarding the impact on people in general and in this case GAA people and clubs. As we know the GAA is rooted in communities across Ireland and GAA people have been doing their best to help in any way possible in their local areas. However, regretfully, I feel in other ways, the GAA is not helping enough.

The national GAA 'lock out' closing gates of all GAA clubs across the country is too draconian in my view and fails the people that we pride ourselves in caring for. It fails in a number of ways:

1.   The GAA is currently not functioning as a result. Interaction, young and old, interest in our sport is paused and connection with the community waning.

2.   Physical Wellbeing: GAA and sport is about exercising, testing yourself and staying physically fit. The closing of clubs sends out the message this isn't important currently.

3.   Mental wellbeing: It's obvious the national COVID19 lockdown is having a huge impact on mental health. For the vulnerable, mentally fragile at this time, locking the gates fails these members. I think of the quiet fella that just loves to smack the Sliotar off the hurling wall on his own and let it all out. Or the father that can only get some life from his son/daughter by going to the pitch to kick a few balls. I could go on and on.

4.   Safety: Referring back to point two, physical exercise. The 'lock out' has resulted in new road exercise. In my case, I have 3 kids and to get them to do any exercise we take to the local roads on the bikes. Trying to keep this fresh within 5km, using different routes if possible is tricky. I see many, many other locals doing similar things. While this is good, it's now silage season and the roads can be dangerous places. Ending the 'lock out' will allow families to return to off road activity and reduce the road safety issues.

5.   The elderly. I can't imagine the isolation of not meeting anyone for a full day or a number of days. Here I think of the local bachelor/widower that loves to drive into the club, park on the grass bank and watch any game that's on or training session. He might make it as far as lying against the pitch side fence. I noticed two such elderly local members 'hanging' in their cars at the statue of Mary in the village. We need to support these people better.

6.   Participation: I would have a great fear that kids/adult players who are lukewarm about sport or parents who are lukewarm about driving their kids everywhere will get out of the habit of the GAA and sport in general. The loss to the Association may only felt in the coming years, not just 2020. The loss to the individuals and society might be much greater in terms of a lack of sport in people's lives. I won't even get into girls participation in sport. I have two girls and I would worry about their interest level to return to GAA. The GAA has approx. 2,200 clubs in Ireland. If each club averages 8 teams across all ages. If each team in every club was to lose 3 players in 2020. That's over 50,000 players lost! If like in many clubs those 3 players make numbers at for example U15 too tight to make a minor team next year, the club may lose a team. You get my point, which I don't believe is too far fetched

7.   Financial: Not the main concern of my letter but a huge area also.     

I could go on. I see golf clubs now reopened and that is good. However, I can see the odd occasion on every round where players are rooting in the trees for a ball and social distancing is compromised, or on the green by the flag. None of this will be perfect, and the GAA should not expect to be either.

People are showing compliance out on the public road outside the grounds, I have no reason to doubt it won't be the same inside. There will be some exceptions, some urban clubs will open slower/differently, some members in every club will stay away for a bit longer due to personal/family health situations. But let these be understood exceptions. 

I am not calling for matches to return at this time, not full time training, just to open again to our members and community. Let the walkers return, let the Kelly's puck around in one goal, the Baileys kick around at the other goals. Let the local bachelor sit on the grass bank and look at what's going on, even if that is very little. The GAA need to step up now, end the 'lock out' and open our arms once again to our communities.

Le mise,

John Kelly

Chairman Park Ratheniska GAA
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 04, 2020, 11:12:59 PM
From the Irish examiner.

Quote

Inter-county teams will be told by the GAA that they cannot officially return to collective training until September.

The stipulation comes as details of the Association's plans to restart Gaelic football and hurling were released to their management committee and Central Council on Thursday evening.

                 Learn more
GAA director of player, club, and games administration Feargal McGill, who is on the organisation's Covid-19 advisory committee, was among Croke Park officials who briefed delegates about the roadmap in a teleconference.

Details of the plan will not be released until the Government confirm on Friday that the phase two of its own roadmap will go ahead on Monday. Not only is it expected that pitches with walkways will reopen pending application next week but the GAA are set to allow training to resume on June 28, the start of the Government's phase three, instead of July 20.

In news that was greeted with relief and cheer by delegates, it is envisaged that club action will return in mid to late July with the possibility that counties could have 10 weeks or more to complete their championships. It had been suggested that the provincial and All-Ireland club competitions could be jettisoned but that has yet to be confirmed.

The GAA maintain the inter-county scene will recommence in October with a straight knock-out format being adopted in both senior football and hurling championships. It is expected that will run up to the end of November with a strong chance one of the major games could coincide with the Bloody Sunday centenary commemoration in Croke Park on November 22.

The Central Competitions Control Committee are expected to provide further information on how they envisage the Championships being structured and scheduled although a new provincial draw is not required in football but will be needed in hurling as both Leinster and Munster competitions currently run on a rota system.


A press conference outlining exactly what the remainder of the season from a national perspective could take place next week. The GAA's roadmap will require approval from the Government's Return To Sport expert group but that is not expected to be an issue.

The GAA have been buoyed by the expert advice of the medical expertise on their coronavirus advisory body that the extent of the disease is weakening, and while restrictions will be in place for the foreseeable future it is envisaged crowds will be able to attend Championship games in the autumn.

/quote]
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on June 04, 2020, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI)


It's almost like this lad isn't aware that there has been a global pandemic and not everything is going to follow the same plan as before.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI)

I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI)

I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.

Well I look at it like this.

There is nobody has ever gone to bed dreaming about winning d4 league titles. What a d4 title is, is a a stepping stone / launchpad to something bigger i.e a provincial title, an AI title.

There isn't going to be enough time to complete the leagues and play a championship. That's a fact.

Anyone calling for leagues to be completed instead of a championship being played, is basically calling for the stepping stones to be finished, instead of playing the main event.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on June 05, 2020, 10:00:15 AM
What I notice more than anything else with the reaction to getting back playing is that peoples opinions are largely formed by what their particular situation is. Therefore

1) Casual punters who watch games tend to want them back for their own entertainment since a lot of time is spent in a vacuum and any sport would help to fill this time.
2) Players mostly want to get back but some will have reservations and will use it to opt out for health reasons either for themselves or those who they live with.
3) Broadcasters, print media and TV pundits want them back as the work dries up and there is only so much reminiscing they can do.
4) Paid coaches want them back for very obvious reasons.
5) Health officials and families of health officials are generally wary and reluctant to return to playing.

So basically health v economic reasons and the trade off is a difficult one to manage since both are important. That summary is a very broad brush and some people fall into more than one category but whilst I do sense and understand an appetite to get back playing, I don't know how or if it can work in reality. It seems like the GAA have taken a sensible approach to all of this but lets wait and see what is announced today.       
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: skeog on June 05, 2020, 10:06:13 AM
So one outing for 50% of clubs am i wrong on this.Also same for counties would many players really be prepared to put the time into preparing for 1 game.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
The worst is this, no one or team will get to the level of fitness and conditioning they managed to get to before lockdown. This in itself may throw up some ropey matches an a few shocks (hopefully)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GlenMan on June 05, 2020, 10:18:56 AM
I assume this plan will be dependant on the Irish Government and Stormont continuing to ease the lockdown. What happens if/when Stormont don't ease lockdown for contact sports and the Irish Government does?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI)

I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.

Well I look at it like this.

There is nobody has ever gone to bed dreaming about winning d4 league titles.
But then they wake up to the real World like the Antrim captain
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 11:10:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI)

I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.

Well I look at it like this.

There is nobody has ever gone to bed dreaming about winning d4 league titles.
But then they wake up to the real World like the Antrim captain

It's not me, you or him who decided that the Championship is the premier competition in Gaelic Games.

Like a lot of people, I've grown to prefer the league format over the past decade, but in terms of public interest, Player interest and prestige, it just doesn't register against the championship.

Any player demanding that the secondary competition is prioritised over the main event should step out of their bubble for a wee look around.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
Chap is only being realistic as far as him and his team are concerned. :-\
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
Chap is only being realistic as far as him and his team are concerned. :-\

Hence the need for him to step out of bubble.

He can't blame the GAA for coronavirus. And nor can he expect a full county season programme to happen in 2020. Even if that's what he really, really wants. It's just not not going to happen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on June 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
How many games are left in the league - 2?

Would it not be an idea to run these off as a means of getting up to speed rather than straight into C'ship football?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 05, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2020, 10:00:15 AM
What I notice more than anything else with the reaction to getting back playing is that peoples opinions are largely formed by what their particular situation is. Therefore

1) Casual punters who watch games tend to want them back for their own entertainment since a lot of time is spent in a vacuum and any sport would help to fill this time.
2) Players mostly want to get back but some will have reservations and will use it to opt out for health reasons either for themselves or those who they live with.
3) Broadcasters, print media and TV pundits want them back as the work dries up and there is only so much reminiscing they can do.
4) Paid coaches want them back for very obvious reasons.
5) Health officials and families of health officials are generally wary and reluctant to return to playing.

So basically health v economic reasons and the trade off is a difficult one to manage since both are important. That summary is a very broad brush and some people fall into more than one category but whilst I do sense and understand an appetite to get back playing, I don't know how or if it can work in reality. It seems like the GAA have taken a sensible approach to all of this but lets wait and see what is announced today.       
I have saw bits floating around today talking about Club Covid Officers and clubs running track and trace! Who in their right mind would sign up to do that in an amateur setting? It seems mad to push that sort of responsibility onto clubs. Some clubs simply wouldn't have the number of volunteers to run things in small groups and signing in and out etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
Mad just  playing an Inter Co " straight knock out" competition  as half the Counties (and possibly up to 19) will only get 1 game so why bother training at all.
Playing the 2 Rounds of NFL would leave things sorted out for 2021 and then let the 2020 fundraising Blitz tear away for itself.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 12:14:03 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
How many games are left in the league - 2?

Would it not be an idea to run these off as a means of getting up to speed rather than straight into C'ship football?

Assuming we aren't going to burnout players by making them play more than one county fixture a week, that means a minimum of 3 weekends for county football, and a minimum of 4 weekends for half the counties in Ireland.

Basically a month.

Now if you could convince/coerce/force the clubs to play league matches during this time, completely without their county players, well then you might be onto something. I would expect that quite a few clubs - maybe even the majority - would agree to this, so long as there's no promotion or relegation in club leagues.

But then that begs the question - why have competitive leagues at county level in these bizarre times, but not at club level?




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
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I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.

Well I look at it like this.

There is nobody has ever gone to bed dreaming about winning d4 league titles. What a d4 title is, is a a stepping stone / launchpad to something bigger i.e a provincial title, an AI title.

There isn't going to be enough time to complete the leagues and play a championship. That's a fact.

Anyone calling for leagues to be completed instead of a championship being played, is basically calling for the stepping stones to be finished, instead of playing the main event.

Nothing wrong in what he's said, slightly railroaded into the boycott thing by your man so I wouldn't take that on board, for him and Antrim it's very important to finish the league, if the two games improve our chances of going up to div 3 then that's our focus.

No one outside of Dublin our Kerry will be competing competitively for the championship, only a fool would think otherwise, and you'd be dreaming if you thought your county will be winning an all Ireland if your not from those counties I've mentioned.

Finish the league off and it can be done before a 'knockout' championship or straight after it when the counties are not involved in the championship
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on June 05, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 12:14:03 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
How many games are left in the league - 2?

Would it not be an idea to run these off as a means of getting up to speed rather than straight into C'ship football?

Assuming we aren't going to burnout players by making them play more than one county fixture a week, that means a minimum of 3 weekends for county football, and a minimum of 4 weekends for half the counties in Ireland.

Basically a month.

Now if you could convince/coerce/force the clubs to play league matches during this time, completely without their county players, well then you might be onto something. I would expect that quite a few clubs - maybe even the majority - would agree to this, so long as there's no promotion or relegation in club leagues.

But then that begs the question - why have competitive leagues at county level in these bizarre times, but not at club level?

The county leagues are already 80% completed though?

Club leagues in most instances are not started.

2 weeks to run off county leagues v 16 weeks for club
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on June 05, 2020, 12:35:05 PM
Strip it down to its most basic. How is a training session going to look for a club team? Will volunteer coaches be keen to oversee these training sessions in an amateur setting, will everybody have to sign a waiver before they return? It will be putting a lot of responsibility onto club officers and volunteers so it will be interesting to see how they administer a safe return to training and games.     
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: skeog on June 05, 2020, 12:37:09 PM
If league games to be played then they should be before championship.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 05, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
I have saw bits floating around today talking about Club Covid Officers and clubs running track and trace! Who in their right mind would sign up to do that in an amateur setting? It seems mad to push that sort of responsibility onto clubs. Some clubs simply wouldn't have the number of volunteers to run things in small groups and signing in and out etc.

If any place wants to open then it has  to make an effort. Why would members not be  willing to record they were there?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on June 05, 2020, 01:29:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 05, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
I have saw bits floating around today talking about Club Covid Officers and clubs running track and trace! Who in their right mind would sign up to do that in an amateur setting? It seems mad to push that sort of responsibility onto clubs. Some clubs simply wouldn't have the number of volunteers to run things in small groups and signing in and out etc.

If any place wants to open then it has  to make an effort. Why would members not be  willing to record they were there?

If you're going for a walk, wouldn't it be safer to go somewhere where you don't have to sign in and out?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
How many games are left in the league - 2?

Would it not be an idea to run these off as a means of getting up to speed rather than straight into C'ship football?

Just the two rounds, It would be the sensible thing to do but I don't think theres any need of league finals this year. Teams that top groups should be given the titles.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
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I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.

Well I look at it like this.

There is nobody has ever gone to bed dreaming about winning d4 league titles. What a d4 title is, is a a stepping stone / launchpad to something bigger i.e a provincial title, an AI title.

There isn’t going to be enough time to complete the leagues and play a championship. That’s a fact.

Anyone calling for leagues to be completed instead of a championship being played, is basically calling for the stepping stones to be finished, instead of playing the main event.

Will be time if the championship reverts back to the 2000 format of old school knock out, with no qualifiers and no group stage for the last 8. With that format you'll have just one game for a number of teams and that probably includes Antrim. With all the training and preparation County players will want a guarantee of a few competitive matches and finishing the league will achieve that for all counties. And Declan Lynch said if needs be finish the league next January.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 05, 2020, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 05, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
I have saw bits floating around today talking about Club Covid Officers and clubs running track and trace! Who in their right mind would sign up to do that in an amateur setting? It seems mad to push that sort of responsibility onto clubs. Some clubs simply wouldn't have the number of volunteers to run things in small groups and signing in and out etc.

If any place wants to open then it has  to make an effort. Why would members not be  willing to record they were there?
I know what you're saying and I'm sure we'll get going but there has to be some sense talked when it comes to the GAA. Some hurling clubs in South Down depend on a handful of people to run everything from underage teams, seniors and committee. There's only so much you can ask of people.

Saying that I'm sure we'll be up and running soon enough and it'll all run 100%
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on June 05, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
How many games are left in the league - 2?

Would it not be an idea to run these off as a means of getting up to speed rather than straight into C'ship football?

Just the two rounds, It would be the sensible thing to do but I don't think theres any need of league finals this year. Teams that top groups should be given the titles.

I don't think it's possible to change the structure of a competition once it has begun. I reckon the leagues will be let lapse.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
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I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.

Well I look at it like this.

There is nobody has ever gone to bed dreaming about winning d4 league titles. What a d4 title is, is a a stepping stone / launchpad to something bigger i.e a provincial title, an AI title.

There isn't going to be enough time to complete the leagues and play a championship. That's a fact.

Anyone calling for leagues to be completed instead of a championship being played, is basically calling for the stepping stones to be finished, instead of playing the main event.

Will be time if the championship reverts back to the 2000 format of old school knock out, with no qualifiers and no group stage for the last 8. With that format you'll have just one game for a number of teams and that probably includes Antrim. With all the training and preparation County players will want a guarantee of a few competitive matches and finishing the league will achieve that for all counties. And Declan Lynch said if needs be finish the league next January.

To repeat my earlier post, this will only work by either collapsing the club season, or by asking/forcing half of all clubs to without their county players for a month (as 16 counties will have games at least 4 weekends in a row).

Alternatively, as you've mooted, they could play these games next January. Except the National League now begins in January. Of course this opens all manner of fingers being crossed in terms of weather/postponements, scheduling and logistics (yes Donegal, you are playing in Kerry next Sunday, I know it's only 7 day's notice, just suck it up), ticketing, coverage and publicity, player welfare and commitment requirements (9 weekends out of 10 on heavy winter pitches, for a secondary competition).

But taking all those risks will be worth it, just to ensure that Antrim's mammoth 5 game campaign of 2020 has a chance to reach an unnatural end.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 03:06:21 PM
Quote from: five points on June 05, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
How many games are left in the league - 2?

Would it not be an idea to run these off as a means of getting up to speed rather than straight into C'ship football?

Just the two rounds, It would be the sensible thing to do but I don't think theres any need of league finals this year. Teams that top groups should be given the titles.

I don't think it's possible to change the structure of a competition once it has begun. I reckon the leagues will be let lapse.

League had to make changes with the foot and mouth.


One of the main things about the leagues is promotion and relegation and I don't see the sense of letting a competition lapse when it's played 5 of its 7 group games already. No need for finals if they can't be fitted in this year would be my view.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on June 05, 2020, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 03:06:21 PM

League had to make changes with the foot and mouth.


One of the main things about the leagues is promotion and relegation and I don't see the sense of letting a competition lapse when it's played 5 of its 7 group games already. No need for finals if they can't be fitted in this year would be my view.

I may be wrong but I'd reckon the rulebook is a good bit tighter than it was 19 years ago.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on June 05, 2020, 03:20:17 PM
It wouldn't be too hard to play the two rounds behind closed doors, get the job done and move on!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: five points on June 05, 2020, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 03:06:21 PM

League had to make changes with the foot and mouth.


One of the main things about the leagues is promotion and relegation and I don't see the sense of letting a competition lapse when it's played 5 of its 7 group games already. No need for finals if they can't be fitted in this year would be my view.

I may be wrong but I'd reckon the rulebook is a good bit tighter than it was 19 years ago.

6 months ago few thought we would have to deal with a pandemic and when GAA re-starts changes will be required.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/52928253?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=link&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=5D133D7C-A6A2-11EA-94A4-B7BB4744363C&at_custom3=BBC+Sport+NI)

I'd agree with his main point. If and when GAA is back the remaining league games should be played. And it's true for some teams in the lower divisions the league is their championship.

Well I look at it like this.

There is nobody has ever gone to bed dreaming about winning d4 league titles. What a d4 title is, is a a stepping stone / launchpad to something bigger i.e a provincial title, an AI title.

There isn’t going to be enough time to complete the leagues and play a championship. That’s a fact.

Anyone calling for leagues to be completed instead of a championship being played, is basically calling for the stepping stones to be finished, instead of playing the main event.

Will be time if the championship reverts back to the 2000 format of old school knock out, with no qualifiers and no group stage for the last 8. With that format you'll have just one game for a number of teams and that probably includes Antrim. With all the training and preparation County players will want a guarantee of a few competitive matches and finishing the league will achieve that for all counties. And Declan Lynch said if needs be finish the league next January.

To repeat my earlier post, this will only work by either collapsing the club season, or by asking/forcing half of all clubs to without their county players for a month (as 16 counties will have games at least 4 weekends in a row).

Alternatively, as you’ve mooted, they could play these games next January. Except the National League now begins in January. Of course this opens all manner of fingers being crossed in terms of weather/postponements, scheduling and logistics (yes Donegal, you are playing in Kerry next Sunday, I know it’s only 7 day’s notice, just suck it up), ticketing, coverage and publicity, player welfare and commitment requirements (9 weekends out of 10 on heavy winter pitches, for a secondary competition).

But taking all those risks will be worth it, just to ensure that Antrim’s mammoth 5 game campaign of 2020 has a chance to reach an unnatural end.

It's two games which would take two weeks to complete. If those two league games aren't played before the championship commences county teams will play a glut of meaningless challenge games.

If it's decided to play the remaining two league games next January then I'm sure teams will know well in advance and to make room for those games the pre season competitions (Mckenna, FBD) can be scrapped for one year
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 05, 2020, 05:05:19 PM
my understanding from an active member of national executive is that the leagues will be voided. furthermore inter county challenge games will be actively discouraged.  the road map will be to get club championships going in mid july and get them finished by end of august and then hope that some sort of crowds(500 to 2000) are allowed for a knockout championship in September and October.  If there is spare dates later in the year it will be for under 20s intercounty and and not leagues.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GlenMan on June 05, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
Great to see the roadmap published but my God there's some amount of work for volunteers to do. Asking someone to take on the Covid Supervisor role and them having to take all Players/Management temperatures before training/games is a stretch.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on June 05, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
So will teachers be able to play since they can only do the odd day at work due to risk of picking up the virus? Whole thing badly thought out!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on June 05, 2020, 06:35:15 PM
No inter-county competitions before October 17th.  All Ireland could be near Christmas going by that.  Playing calendar expected to be published at start of Phase 3, June 29th.

Would love to see the 2 remaining league rounds completed, at least for counties in the mix for promotion/relegation.  Would be a shame to void the league after 5 rounds out of 7 have been completed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
I presume it's a case of have an Inter County Championship (rushed) to raise some Revenue and to  Hell with the League or fairness or anything else.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on June 05, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
Ahh lads , isn't fantastic news if we get some inter county action , be difficult enough to cram a championship in without harping on about the couple of league games , just start the league next year from scratch . :D :D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on June 05, 2020, 07:04:01 PM
is it provincial system knock out that makes tyrone v donegal massive could be played on a saturday night under lights massive hype
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on June 05, 2020, 07:15:08 PM
No mention of what to do for those living along with key workers or with the vulnerable.

Everybody to be driven separately to matches?? How will that work?

Then there's the management of pitches for training and games for so many teams along with a packed schedule.

A lot of work still to be done on this!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 05, 2020, 07:24:41 PM

Here’s the full breakdown of the GAA plan:

From 8 June

Walkways only opened
GAA pitches to remain closed
All GAA buildings to remain closed
Individual training in line with Government recommendations
Gaelic Games Covid education module to be developed and officer/player training plan rolled out

From 29 June

GAA pitches to open for small group training (adult and juvenile)
All building remain closed (exception for toilets)
All training is non-contact in this phase
Small groups – 10 players or two coaches in a dedicated area of the field
Players arrive and depart togged out
Health questionnaire must be completed
Covid supervisor for each team
Underage players must be dropped off/collected
Only players/management permitted entry to grounds
Running, aerobic, agility, ball work – social distancing
No sharing of equipment like water bottles
From 20 July

Return to contact training
Club games from Friday 31 July
Buildings remain closed
Health questionnaire, Covid supervisor, collation of data still in place
Further information on spectators, spectator safety should be available at this point, will be issued to clubs as we get it

From 10 August

Club games continue (window with county players: 31 July – 11 October)
Access to facilities permitted, subject to social distancing, regular cleaning etc
County training resumes 14 September
Inter-county schedule to start no earlier than 17 October
CCCC will produce full fixtures schedule once
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GlenMan on June 05, 2020, 07:29:55 PM
The GAA haven't included what will happen if Stormont don't relax their lockdown in line with the Republic.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 07:44:42 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on June 05, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
So will teachers be able to play since they can only do the odd day at work due to risk of picking up the virus? Whole thing badly thought out!

Or anyone working in non essential jobs, like Dunne's
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on June 05, 2020, 07:59:43 PM
God help the Covid Officer and volunteer coaches if you read those conditions, it really will require a lot of buy in from club members.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 09:30:48 PM
GAA saying they havent made a decision yet on the outstanding NFL/NHL games.
Marty on the news tonight quoting Horan saying the Championships could go on till January/February.
What's the odds that all the Connacht games will be fixed for McHale?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on June 05, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 09:30:48 PM
GAA saying they havent made a decision yet on the outstanding NFL/NHL games.
Marty on the news tonight quoting Horan saying the Championships could go on till January/February.
What's the odds that all the Connacht games will be fixed for McHale?

There should be no need for provincial championships. Straight out knockout with 32 counties and no replays could be run off within 2-3 months if needed. Never will an opportunity to do this be greater and it would generate real excitement. Also a great chance to look at the overall fixture calendar as a whole and introduce the badly needed reforms.

Knowing the GAA though the provincial system will still be retained and the same few counties like Dublin and Kerry will have practically a bye into the last 8.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: wobbller on June 05, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 09:30:48 PM
GAA saying they havent made a decision yet on the outstanding NFL/NHL games.
Marty on the news tonight quoting Horan saying the Championships could go on till January/February.
What's the odds that all the Connacht games will be fixed for McHale?

There should be no need for provincial championships. Straight out knockout with 32 counties and no replays could be run off within 2-3 months if needed. Never will an opportunity to do this be greater and it would generate real excitement. Also a great chance to look at the overall fixture calendar as a whole and introduce the badly needed reforms.

Knowing the GAA though the provincial system will still be retained and the same few counties like Dublin and Kerry will have practically a bye into the last 8.
Provinces need their income as does the Association at National level
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on June 06, 2020, 12:03:48 AM
Sample schedule I've done out based on the Dublin club championships (16 teams with round robin four groups of four) plus follow on provincial club championships, two rounds of NFL fixtures then knockout format inter-county All-Ireland championships.

All knockout games bar All-Ireland finals to go to extra-time and penalties if necessary.

Sun August 2 Dublin Club Hurling Group R1
Wed August 5 Dublin Club Football Group R1
Sun August 9 Dublin Club Hurling Group R2
Wed August 12 Dublin Club Football Group R2
Sun August 16 Dublin Club Hurling Group R3
Sun August 23 Dublin Club Football Group R3
Wed August 26 Dublin Club Hurling Q/F
Sun August 30 Dublin Club Football Q/F
Wed September 2 Dublin Club Hurling S/F
Sun September 6 Dublin Club Football S/F
Sun September 13 Dublin Club Football and Hurling Finals
Sun September 20 Provincial Club Prelim Rounds
Sun September 27 Provincial Club Q/F
Sun October 4 Provincial Club S/F
Sun October 11 Provincial Club Finals
Sun October 18 All-Ireland Club Semi-Finals
Sun October 25 (Bank Holiday) All-Ireland Club Finals/NFL Round 6
Sun November 1 NFL Round 7
Sun November 8 Inter-county Provincial Prelim Rounds
Sun November 15 Provincial Quarter-Finals
Sun November 22 Provincial Quarter-Finals
Sun November 29 Provincial Semi-Finals
Sun December 6 Provincial Semi-Finals
Sun December 13 Provincial Finals
Sun December 20 Provincial Finals
Sat/Sun January 9/10 All-Ireland Hurling Semi-Finals
Sat/Sun January 16/17 All-Ireland Football Semi-Finals
Sun January 24 All-Ireland Hurling Final
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Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: delgany on June 06, 2020, 12:10:15 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 05, 2020, 07:29:55 PM
The GAA haven't included what will happen if Stormont don't relax their lockdown in line with the Republic.


There is a note on bottom of page 13 , that the plan is dependent on both governments following the relevant dates listed



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on June 06, 2020, 01:42:39 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 05, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
Great to see the roadmap published but my God there's some amount of work for volunteers to do. Asking someone to take on the Covid Supervisor role and them having to take all Players/Management temperatures before training/games is a stretch.

But that's what they do best, get things done for their club. It's a serious change, but did we really expect it to be plain sailing? Easy to say it won't work (you didn't), but where there's a will there's a way. Covid Supervisor doesn't have to take temps before teams commence sessions, the individual does it themselves before they attend and mark on their sheet. Only if this hasn't been done do the Supervisors step in.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on June 06, 2020, 02:10:07 AM
Quote from: supersub on June 06, 2020, 01:42:39 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 05, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
Great to see the roadmap published but my God there's some amount of work for volunteers to do. Asking someone to take on the Covid Supervisor role and them having to take all Players/Management temperatures before training/games is a stretch.

But that's what they do best, get things done for their club. It's a serious change, but did we really expect it to be plain sailing? Easy to say it won't work (you didn't), but where there's a will there's a way. Covid Supervisor doesn't have to take temps before teams commence sessions, the individual does it themselves before they attend and mark on their sheet. Only if this hasn't been done do the Supervisors step in.
Taking someone's temperature can be done in seconds with a modren handheld scanner. It's just a case of pointing it at the subjects forehead and pressing a button.
I know because I have mine checked in this manner several times a week in Beaumont hospital.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on June 06, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
i think provincial clubs and all ireland clubs are scrap if that is the case i would suggest double the provincial club championships for next season for counties with different winners example if two different teams win tyrone championship then two teams from tyrone  enter ulster club championship. so in theory there could be an 18 team ulster club championship
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 06, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
i think provincial clubs and all ireland clubs are scrap if that is the case i would suggest double the provincial club championships for next season for counties with different winners example if two different teams win tyrone championship then two teams from tyrone  enter ulster club championship. so in theory there could be an 18 team ulster club championship


They'll still get dumped on their ass's  ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: themac_23 on June 06, 2020, 10:09:32 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 06, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
i think provincial clubs and all ireland clubs are scrap if that is the case i would suggest double the provincial club championships for next season for counties with different winners example if two different teams win tyrone championship then two teams from tyrone  enter ulster club championship. so in theory there could be an 18 team ulster club championship

You could maybe see a few clubs running tournaments over the winter like St Pauls do for ulster minor and Creggan for ulster U21
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clonadmad on June 06, 2020, 11:37:40 AM
Kilkenny hurlers lockdown breakers

https://twitter.com/premierviewp/status/1269210798179651586?s=21
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 06, 2020, 12:03:48 AM
Sample schedule I've done out based on the Dublin club championships (16 teams with round robin four groups of four) plus follow on provincial club championships, two rounds of NFL fixtures then knockout format inter-county All-Ireland championships.

All knockout games bar All-Ireland finals to go to extra-time and penalties if necessary.

Sun August 2 Dublin Club Hurling Group R1
Wed August 5 Dublin Club Football Group R1
Sun August 9 Dublin Club Hurling Group R2
Wed August 12 Dublin Club Football Group R2
Sun August 16 Dublin Club Hurling Group R3
Sun August 23 Dublin Club Football Group R3
Wed August 26 Dublin Club Hurling Q/F
Sun August 30 Dublin Club Football Q/F
Wed September 2 Dublin Club Hurling S/F
Sun September 6 Dublin Club Football S/F
Sun September 13 Dublin Club Football and Hurling Finals
Sun September 20 Provincial Club Prelim Rounds
Sun September 27 Provincial Club Q/F
Sun October 4 Provincial Club S/F
Sun October 11 Provincial Club Finals
Sun October 18 All-Ireland Club Semi-Finals
Sun October 25 (Bank Holiday) All-Ireland Club Finals/NFL Round 6
Sun November 1 NFL Round 7
Sun November 8 Inter-county Provincial Prelim Rounds
Sun November 15 Provincial Quarter-Finals
Sun November 22 Provincial Quarter-Finals
Sun November 29 Provincial Semi-Finals
Sun December 6 Provincial Semi-Finals
Sun December 13 Provincial Finals
Sun December 20 Provincial Finals
Sat/Sun January 9/10 All-Ireland Hurling Semi-Finals
Sat/Sun January 16/17 All-Ireland Football Semi-Finals
Sun January 24 All-Ireland Hurling Final
Sun January 31 All-Ireland Football Final

They need to run off the  Championship before phase 2 of the virus kicks off.

It is a very tall order.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
They need to run off the  Championship before phase 2 of the virus kicks off.

It is a very tall order.

At present, there is only a significant number of Covid cases in Dublin, Cavan, Monaghan, Antrim and maybe Cork.
Throw these out and have a championship involving everyone else, Antrim weren't going to win anyway.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
They need to run off the  Championship before phase 2 of the virus kicks off.

It is a very tall order.

At present, there is only a significant number of Covid cases in Dublin, Cavan, Monaghan, Antrim and maybe Cork.
Throw these out and have a championship involving everyone else, Antrim weren't going to win anyway.

If you threw out Dublin Kerry Mayo and the other teams that have made the championship watchable in the late stages it be very boring
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on June 06, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
If youse a decent Dual Player playing County level you face a f**king mental 4 months from August!!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cluborcountywhynotboth on June 06, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
A bit of crying and complaining from some about these proposals, but the bottom line is these are probably the most exceptional circumstances the GAA (in-fact society) has faced in a lifetime, maybe ever. There would be absolutely no way to make the perfect proposals and there would be some people who would have some issue no matter what was put forward. For me it's just a case of take what we are given for one year only and enjoy it as much as we can. Hopefully next year we will be back to normal.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
If youse a decent Dual Player playing County level you face a f**king mental 4 months from August!!!

The entire GAA cannot revolve around a handful of players. Just prohibit dual playing on county squads at least.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on June 06, 2020, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
If youse a decent Dual Player playing County level you face a f**king mental 4 months from August!!!

The entire GAA cannot revolve around a handful of players. Just prohibit dual playing on county squads at least.

Jesus that's some can of worms you'd be opening there!! Hard to see how it can be managed though.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on June 06, 2020, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
They need to run off the  Championship before phase 2 of the virus kicks off.

It is a very tall order.

At present, there is only a significant number of Covid cases in Dublin, Cavan, Monaghan, Antrim and maybe Cork.
Throw these out and have a championship involving everyone else, Antrim weren't going to win anyway.

This was going to be our year ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 06:32:31 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
They need to run off the  Championship before phase 2 of the virus kicks off.

It is a very tall order.

At present, there is only a significant number of Covid cases in Dublin, Cavan, Monaghan, Antrim and maybe Cork.
Throw these out and have a championship involving everyone else, Antrim weren't going to win anyway.
Phase 2 is expected in November
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 06, 2020, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
They need to run off the  Championship before phase 2 of the virus kicks off.

It is a very tall order.

At present, there is only a significant number of Covid cases in Dublin, Cavan, Monaghan, Antrim and maybe Cork.
Throw these out and have a championship involving everyone else, Antrim weren't going to win anyway.

Only 147 cases across the Republic in the last 5 days is significant low number, hopefully the number of cases will continue to fall in the week ahead.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on June 06, 2020, 09:30:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 06:32:31 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
They need to run off the  Championship before phase 2 of the virus kicks off.

It is a very tall order.

At present, there is only a significant number of Covid cases in Dublin, Cavan, Monaghan, Antrim and maybe Cork.
Throw these out and have a championship involving everyone else, Antrim weren't going to win anyway.
Phase 2 is expected in November
In that case:
Monday October 19th: All-Ireland Football Championship (open draw) Round of 32
Tuesday October 20th: All-Ireland Hurling Championship Round of 16
Wednesday October 21st: All-Ireland Football Championship Round of 16
Thursday October 22nd: All-Ireland Hurling Championship Quarter-Finals
Friday October 23rd: All-Ireland Football Championship Quarter-Finals
Saturday October 24th: All-Ireland Hurling Championship Semi-Finals (Morning), Final (Evening)
Sunday October 25th: All-Ireland Football Championship Semi-Finals (Morning), Final (Evening)

(In association with D. Clutter Fixture Solutions, Donnycarney)

All-Ireland Champions' banquet will consist of a free drive-through meal at Supermacs Clonshaugh, Mulhuddart or Spawell, depending on which is most convenient for the champions' route home, followed by cans on the bus.

If Dublin win, which they will, cans at Stephen Cluxton's gaff, following the patented Jim Gavin Social Distan5™ space creation system.

Each player to be allowed drink one can from the Sam Maguire Cup, with strict instructions to disinfect Sam after each player has drunk from it.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: SamFever on June 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.
I'd just have activity for U17 and Senior.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on June 08, 2020, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.

Schedules are going to be an absolute nightmare if you're talking underage men and women's football, hurling and camogie. It's also my understanding that everything needs to be done and dusted for the Inter County Championship starting mid October? So 10 weeks to run off all Club championships??!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 08, 2020, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.
I'd just have activity for U17 and Senior.
That sounds the most sensible way of doing things. Bigger clubs could maybe sort out U15s or below too. Trying to split very young ones training up and keeping them apart will be tough.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 08, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 08, 2020, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.
I'd just have activity for U17 and Senior.
That sounds the most sensible way of doing things. Bigger clubs could maybe sort out U15s or below too. Trying to split very young ones training up and keeping them apart will be tough.

And lose all the kids to other sports?  Juvenile games should be played until schools open at least...even if on a street or parish league format.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 08, 2020, 11:52:28 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 08, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 08, 2020, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.
I'd just have activity for U17 and Senior.
That sounds the most sensible way of doing things. Bigger clubs could maybe sort out U15s or below too. Trying to split very young ones training up and keeping them apart will be tough.

And lose all the kids to other sports?  Juvenile games should be played until schools open at least...even if on a street or parish league format.
What other sports?
It has been brilliant to see all the kids out riding bikes and actually making up their own games for the past 3 months.
A lot of children have had to learn what to do with their time
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 09, 2020, 02:42:27 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 08, 2020, 11:52:28 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 08, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 08, 2020, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.
I'd just have activity for U17 and Senior.
That sounds the most sensible way of doing things. Bigger clubs could maybe sort out U15s or below too. Trying to split very young ones training up and keeping them apart will be tough.

And lose all the kids to other sports?  Juvenile games should be played until schools open at least...even if on a street or parish league format.
What other sports?
It has been brilliant to see all the kids out riding bikes and actually making up their own games for the past 3 months.
A lot of children have had to learn what to do with their time

If there is no GAA, but soccer, rugby, tennis, golf and whatever else are offering activities for youngsters then I'd expect a fair few to be sent/attend.  Parents m9ght also be thrilled to see kids out of the house under adult supervision without caring what sport/pastime is doing it.

A few might even prefer one over the GAA and could be lost forever.  The days of GAA coming first and foremost is not as prevalent as you think.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 09, 2020, 08:58:24 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 08, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 08, 2020, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Early days yet but have any clubs given consideration to how they might restart underage training? It'd be incredibly difficult to fully ensure compliance with small groups of non contact training for the likes of u6 and u8s, is it more likely that clubs will hold off til the implementation of the following stage where contact resumes towards the end of July?
It's going to be a hard nut to crack. Be a lot of meetings up and down the country trying figure it out, also schedules for training could be another issue.
I'd just have activity for U17 and Senior.
That sounds the most sensible way of doing things. Bigger clubs could maybe sort out U15s or below too. Trying to split very young ones training up and keeping them apart will be tough.

And lose all the kids to other sports?  Juvenile games should be played until schools open at least...even if on a street or parish league format.
I meant a staggered start so clubs can get all the issues sorted. Every area has different issues but I can't see parents sending kids to other sports at the minute if they're worried about sending them to school.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2020, 09:04:17 AM
There's council pitches at the bottom of the hill I live on. I noticed the last 2 weekends there were kids doing organised soccer training. It's not near the numbers there used to be as cars used to be parked everywhere on a saturday but it is happening.

I really don't think being cautious here will lose kids to other sports. I think parents will likely appreciate it. It'll be a while before a lot of parents will send kids back into any sport whether it's available or not.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: City Dweller on June 09, 2020, 09:07:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2020, 09:04:17 AM
There's council pitches at the bottom of the hill I live on. I noticed the last 2 weekends there were kids doing organised soccer training. It's not near the numbers there used to be as cars used to be parked everywhere on a saturday but it is happening.

I really don't think being cautious here will lose kids to other sports. I think parents will likely appreciate it. It'll be a while before a lot of parents will send kids back into any sport whether it's available or not.


Lower numbers than before as it is unauthorised training I would suggest. Council pitches aren't open and IFA only allowed a return to training yesterday.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2020, 09:17:53 AM
Those pitches said closed about 11 weeks ago and loads have been on every day since lol.

The sign closed was replaced by no playing golf as kids were running about and boys were banging golf balls about. Eejits lol.

Yeah you are probably right about limited numbers. I wonder how they pick who goes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: themac_23 on June 09, 2020, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2020, 09:17:53 AM
Those pitches said closed about 11 weeks ago and loads have been on every day since lol.

The sign closed was replaced by no playing golf as kids were running about and boys were banging golf balls about. Eejits lol.

Yeah you are probably right about limited numbers. I wonder how they pick who goes.

Seen a few soccer clubs training on saturday, in fairness they were all keeping a good distance and seemed to be working in small groups, mostly running and looked a few small passing drills, dont really see an issue with it. they were on council pitches where theres loads of room. was also a gaa club doing a bit of running, didnt have any footballs with them just running, again was a small group and well spaced out. id say the number of teams starting to do that will increase over the next few weeks
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on June 09, 2020, 10:19:18 AM
council pitches are closed so id love to know where these organised training sessions were ongoing :'( :'( Lots of false reporting flying about, could be a new symptom of covid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2020, 10:30:48 AM
On the council pitches beside me... Either it was organised or a dozen or so kids happened to bump into each other, set out cones and put on bibs themselves then proceed to play between the cones ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on June 09, 2020, 10:46:22 AM
Down CB are very explicit on this;

Final Point - Team and Player Insurance, cover will not be in place until the return to train date of June 29. Using the local park or local Council facility or the Soccer pitch, or the farmers field is not permitted, your players are not covered by Insurance, as a Club you should not be exposing them and their families to risk.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 09, 2020, 11:55:25 AM
Are other sports having to go through all the same checks etc as GAA clubs are being asked to do? Such as Covid supervisors, registering every person at the grounds etc
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 09, 2020, 02:57:37 PM
John Prenty said taking the Connacht final to Croke Park is a possibility being considered. Could we get a situation that all provincial finals this year are played in headquarters especially if its allowed 42,000 capacity?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on June 09, 2020, 06:00:11 PM
john horan chatting through his hole again. 40,000 into croker?, 2 metre queues on way in, pubs, petrol stations etc, 2 metre distancing for toliet/drinks etc?. It will be next year before a mass gathering of this is allowed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 20, 2020, 02:57:12 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/news/covid-19-update-x5299/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
I said it at the time. John Horan on the Sunday game at the time went on a solo run and it's came back to bite him and badly
As it's sits the 6 counties have in fact been left behind
Horan has not covered himself in glory
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PMG1 on June 20, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
I said it at the time. John Horan on the Sunday game at the time went on a solo run and it's came back to bite him and badly
As it's sits the 6 counties have in fact been left behind
Horan has not covered himself in glory
How is it John Horan's vault the 6 counties have been left behind? It's our f**ked up Stormont executive's fault, useless parties on both sides too busy playing games with each other to worry about the people they are meant to represent. Horan and Croke Park has done a great job in my opinion
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 20, 2020, 04:56:49 PM
Quote from: PMG1 on June 20, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
I said it at the time. John Horan on the Sunday game at the time went on a solo run and it's came back to bite him and badly
As it's sits the 6 counties have in fact been left behind
Horan has not covered himself in glory
How is it John Horan's vault the 6 counties have been left behind? It's our f**ked up Stormont executive's fault, useless parties on both sides too busy playing games with each other to worry about the people they are meant to represent. Horan and Croke Park has done a great job in my opinion

I'd agree and I'd be critical of both in the past.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 20, 2020, 05:46:46 PM
Agree too.
Smurf should stick to his area of expertise ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on June 20, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2020, 05:46:46 PM
Agree too.
Smurf should stick to his area of expertise ;D

Have to say I was shocked and pleased with most of the GAA changes today. However I'd  be concerned that there is a distinction between 6 counties and 26 counties. With appropriate political representation and liaison with other All-Island sporting bodies, the GAA should have been lobbying for training groups of 15 across the island , before going to press, as I think this unity could easily have been achieved-and still can.
GAA also need to urgently address the financial disparity across all counties, as post Covid there will be significant challenges, and financial fair play will be essential to maintain the integrity of the association.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on June 21, 2020, 12:09:31 AM
From a purely selfish point of view this announcement today of bringing forward the easing of restrictions is a positive. We need some form of social outlet after what has been a suffocating time for most people. However I can't help but feel that it is a reaction to sustained heavy criticism from some media commentators such as Colm O'Rourke and I really hope that we don't have to tighten restrictions again before the season is out. Huge onus is now being put onto a lot of unpaid volunteers to assist with planning and implementation of the new measures and the cabal of paid coaches and media hacks who led the charge for the quick return to play will be happy that the till is now turning again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 21, 2020, 12:09:31 AM
From a purely selfish point of view this announcement today of bringing forward the easing of restrictions is a positive. We need some form of social outlet after what has been a suffocating time for most people. However I can't help but feel that it is a reaction to sustained heavy criticism from some media commentators such as Colm O'Rourke and I really hope that we don't have to tighten restrictions again before the season is out. Huge onus is now being put onto a lot of unpaid volunteers to assist with planning and implementation of the new measures and the cabal of paid coaches and media hacks who led the charge for the quick return to play will be happy that the till is now turning again.
We can barely get one coach to take a team  never mind all these other helpers now needed
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on June 22, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
Is the online questionnaire available anywhere?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 22, 2020, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 22, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
Is the online questionnaire available anywhere?

Was coming here to ask this exact question as the pitches are permitted to open from Wednesday.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on June 22, 2020, 09:54:43 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 22, 2020, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 22, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
Is the online questionnaire available anywhere?

Was coming here to ask this exact question as the pitches are permitted to open from Wednesday.

https://returntoplay.gaa.ie/ (https://returntoplay.gaa.ie/)

Not there yet
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on June 22, 2020, 09:59:57 AM
cutting it very fine
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2020, 10:02:40 AM
You all done the course?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on June 22, 2020, 11:23:30 AM
off course.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 22, 2020, 03:16:09 PM
Has the GAA reinstated its insurance yet ahead of Weds?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2020, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 22, 2020, 09:54:43 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 22, 2020, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 22, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
Is the online questionnaire available anywhere?

Was coming here to ask this exact question as the pitches are permitted to open from Wednesday.

https://returntoplay.gaa.ie/ (https://returntoplay.gaa.ie/)

Not there yet
Now saying available tomorrow. will have to be.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 22, 2020, 08:20:45 PM
Do we know if the insurance starts from Wednesday also, I assume it would have to?
And is it the same in the 6 counties as it is in the 26?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 08:34:09 PM
Anyone hear of any county teams returning to training early.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2020, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 22, 2020, 08:20:45 PM
Do we know if the insurance starts from Wednesday also, I assume it would have to?
And is it the same in the 6 counties as it is in the 26?
At the minute were still on the 29th
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 22, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 22, 2020, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 22, 2020, 08:20:45 PM
Do we know if the insurance starts from Wednesday also, I assume it would have to?
And is it the same in the 6 counties as it is in the 26?
At the minute were still on the 29th
That surprises me?  It was the GAA that closed the pitches, not the NI Executive.  So if we are saying that pitches in NI cannot open on Wednesday that would mean that the GAA is treating the 6 and the 26 differently.  Surely they wouldn't be doing that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 22, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
The GAA insurance is relevant to ALL counties.

Re the 6 counties. On Weds training is allowed in groups of 10 on a non contact basis.

In the 26 counties. On Weds training is allowed in groups of 15 on a non contact basis.

Neither can happen on GAA property unless the GAA reinstate the insurance scheme.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on June 22, 2020, 10:55:02 PM
Have the GAA insurers announced a rebate for the period of time which GAA grounds were closed and all activities suspended?

Will county boards reimburse registration fees, board fees, referee fees etc for the same 3 month period which is effectively half of the playing season? How will clubs deal with membership fees which have mostly all been already collected. Very little talk of any of these issues.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yewtree on June 22, 2020, 11:05:54 PM
GAA Response in Down - very very worrying .

Down GAA County Squad training in Rostrevor on Thursday past .

Some of the photos and videos  circulating from Kilbroney are shocking from Thursday night.
Covid 19 is a life and death issue GAA activities have been stopped.This is not the same as the end of season training ban etc.
There are sanctions for that but in the case of The Pandemic this is a whole different issue.This is life and death.
What happens if one of these players gets Covid and passes to a grandparent and they die.? Where is the liability ? County Board ? Were they aware of this get together and training of a County Squad ? I find it hard to believe that they don't know.
Are Down GAA Co Board not aware of GAA Covid 18 protocols ?  Are Down County Board aware that GAA suspended all GAA Activity at club,county level , this is to include all games,training and team gatherings at all ages and all grades ?
The Down County Board have now been set a test by being put in this position by unauthorized gathering and training by a group of people , who having shown zero regard towards the welfare of players ,parents and wider society ?
This is a medical and ethical issue not to be compared to the breaching of an off season training ban.
Are teachers allowed to decide they are going to teach a class over 30 on Thursday ? NO. Are Dentists allowed to operate as they see fit ?NO.Are bars allowed to open and have the Senior Club panel in ? NO
The authorities and the GAA  have Covid 19 return to play protocols and rules, are Down above those rules ?
We await to see how Down GAA react to this test ?
If people are in positions of influence and authority and behave irresponsibly against GAA Laws and Government they need to be dealt with.
This is nothing short of a shocking scandal for Down GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 22, 2020, 11:39:01 PM
People need to continue using a bit of cop on

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/more-than-a-third-of-new-ireland-covid-19-cases-among-young-dr-tony-holohan-1006786.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on June 23, 2020, 01:36:06 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2020, 10:55:02 PM
Have the GAA insurers announced a rebate for the period of time which GAA grounds were closed and all activities suspended?

Will county boards reimburse registration fees, board fees, referee fees etc for the same 3 month period which is effectively half of the playing season? How will clubs deal with membership fees which have mostly all been already collected. Very little talk of any of these issues.

In fairness there has been quite a bit of talk around our own club and county about this. Co Board Fees drastically reduced, invoiced and paid in our case.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on June 23, 2020, 01:48:35 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2020, 11:39:01 PM
People need to continue using a bit of cop on

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/more-than-a-third-of-new-ireland-covid-19-cases-among-young-dr-tony-holohan-1006786.html

Not  much chance of cop on from some people.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 23, 2020, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 22, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
The GAA insurance is relevant to ALL counties.

Re the 6 counties. On Weds training is allowed in groups of 10 on a non contact basis.

In the 26 counties. On Weds training is allowed in groups of 15 on a non contact basis.

Neither can happen on GAA property unless the GAA reinstate the insurance scheme.

Insurance is valid from Weds for adults and from Saturday for youth players.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on June 23, 2020, 10:05:23 AM
The online system is supposed to be going live today? It will definitely crash! I cant believe the gaa pulled things forward without these in place.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on June 23, 2020, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 23, 2020, 10:05:23 AM
The online system is supposed to be going live today? It will definitely crash! I cant believe the gaa pulled things forward without these in place.

It's now 10:34 and still not live and we're supposed to be allowing training tomorrow!

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2020, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: yewtree on June 22, 2020, 11:05:54 PM
GAA Response in Down - very very worrying .

Down GAA County Squad training in Rostrevor on Thursday past .

Some of the photos and videos  circulating from Kilbroney are shocking from Thursday night.
Covid 19 is a life and death issue GAA activities have been stopped.This is not the same as the end of season training ban etc.
There are sanctions for that but in the case of The Pandemic this is a whole different issue.This is life and death.
What happens if one of these players gets Covid and passes to a grandparent and they die.? Where is the liability ? County Board ? Were they aware of this get together and training of a County Squad ? I find it hard to believe that they don't know.
Are Down GAA Co Board not aware of GAA Covid 18 protocols ?  Are Down County Board aware that GAA suspended all GAA Activity at club,county level , this is to include all games,training and team gatherings at all ages and all grades ?
The Down County Board have now been set a test by being put in this position by unauthorized gathering and training by a group of people , who having shown zero regard towards the welfare of players ,parents and wider society ?
This is a medical and ethical issue not to be compared to the breaching of an off season training ban.
Are teachers allowed to decide they are going to teach a class over 30 on Thursday ? NO. Are Dentists allowed to operate as they see fit ?NO.Are bars allowed to open and have the Senior Club panel in ? NO
The authorities and the GAA  have Covid 19 return to play protocols and rules, are Down above those rules ?
We await to see how Down GAA react to this test ?
If people are in positions of influence and authority and behave irresponsibly against GAA Laws and Government they need to be dealt with.
This is nothing short of a shocking scandal for Down GAA.

Smurfy123 is a Down man. Maybe he's in charge of it all?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 23, 2020, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 22, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
The GAA insurance is relevant to ALL counties.

Re the 6 counties. On Weds training is allowed in groups of 10 on a non contact basis.

In the 26 counties. On Weds training is allowed in groups of 15 on a non contact basis.

Neither can happen on GAA property unless the GAA reinstate the insurance scheme.

Insurance is valid from Weds for adults and from Saturday for youth players.

Is that anywhere official Norf?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on June 23, 2020, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 23, 2020, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 23, 2020, 10:05:23 AM
The online system is supposed to be going live today? It will definitely crash! I cant believe the gaa pulled things forward without these in place.

It's now 10:34 and still not live and we're supposed to be allowing training tomorrow!

less than a day to go and still not available.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: StephenC on June 23, 2020, 02:20:31 PM
It's live now.

https://returntoplay.gaa.ie/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on June 23, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
it looks ok for being a player but i do not know where officers will see information or how it wont break gdpr
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
How is the COVID supervisor to know that you have completed the questionnaire?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on June 23, 2020, 03:03:43 PM
no one knows, its a shambles
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on June 23, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
How is the COVID supervisor to know that you have completed the questionnaire?

Not sure, but I'd have thought the Covid supervisors have access to all the clubs submissions..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 23, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
How is the COVID supervisor to know that you have completed the questionnaire?

Not sure, but I'd have thought the Covid supervisors have access to all the clubs submissions..

Pretty sure that the system won't know who the Covid supervisors are.  Being involved with our club I know that we have't produced a list of Covid supervisors yet, but I have gone ahead and completed the online questionnaire. 
It says it has gone to the Club Admin, but we aren't sure who that is!  Is it the secretary as the GAA would have their email address?

It's all a bit messy.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on June 23, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 23, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
How is the COVID supervisor to know that you have completed the questionnaire?

Not sure, but I'd have thought the Covid supervisors have access to all the clubs submissions..

Pretty sure that the system won't know who the Covid supervisors are.  Being involved with our club I know that we have't produced a list of Covid supervisors yet, but I have gone ahead and completed the online questionnaire. 
It says it has gone to the Club Admin, but we aren't sure who that is!  Is it the secretary as the GAA would have their email address?

It's all a bit messy.

Yes, I presume the secretary has admin access for each club and can then enable the Covid supervisors to have access to whatever teams they're responsible for
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on June 23, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
I'm our club secretary. I had to give a list of Covid Supervisors and their email address.  When they log on for the first time they have to confirm that they are a Supervisor (there's a box they can tick to do so).  The idea is that they can see who has completed the questionnaire but not their answers (for those who were querying the GDPR angle).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on June 23, 2020, 03:42:45 PM
I am registered as a supervisor but have no access to see teams? I hope it can be rectified but it is very late with teams taking the field in the morning . I understand the gaa had to move things forward but this portal should have been ready by then. I envisage a lot of panic within clubs today and questions being fired towards committee members who have no answers.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bannside on June 23, 2020, 04:52:38 PM
We are on the list at Croke Park but if I can help your club in any way just let me know. frank@virahygiene.com
www.virahygiene.com
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on June 23, 2020, 10:57:23 PM
Gaelic life reporting that the executive in Stormount won't be giving the go ahead for any Gaa games until the end of July

https://gaeliclife.com/news/stormont-block-plans-to-align-gaa-return-dates/   (https://gaeliclife.com/news/stormont-block-plans-to-align-gaa-return-dates/)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Mourne Red on June 23, 2020, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 23, 2020, 10:57:23 PM
Gaelic life reporting that the executive in Stormount won't be giving the go ahead for any Gaa games until the end of July

Tit for tat shite in Stormont again.. Sinn Fein are blocking implementing a payment scheme for victims of the Troubles. Some Former paramilitaries will miss out on payments and they aren't happy with that.

This has result in the free school meals for NI pupils being blocked so giving the GAA the go ahead to play games was never going to happen.

Children in charge up on the hill honestly
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on June 23, 2020, 11:26:53 PM
Gaelic life now saying they have it wrong ..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2020, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 23, 2020, 11:26:53 PM
Gaelic life now saying they have it wrong ..

Our management WhatsApp going crackers ffs!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PMG1 on June 24, 2020, 12:07:17 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 23, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
I'm our club secretary. I had to give a list of Covid Supervisors and their email address.  When they log on for the first time they have to confirm that they are a Supervisor (there's a box they can tick to do so).  The idea is that they can see who has completed the questionnaire but not their answers (for those who were querying the GDPR angle).
Who did you send the list to?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 24, 2020, 12:21:48 AM
I read that the list of who has completed will be available to Clubs tomorrow.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on June 24, 2020, 12:27:32 AM
Quote from: PMG1 on June 24, 2020, 12:07:17 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 23, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
I'm our club secretary. I had to give a list of Covid Supervisors and their email address.  When they log on for the first time they have to confirm that they are a Supervisor (there's a box they can tick to do so).  The idea is that they can see who has completed the questionnaire but not their answers (for those who were querying the GDPR angle).
Who did you send the list to?
It was part of the online form I had to complete at the outset.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 28, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
Contact allowed in the 26 from tomorrow, but what is the position in the 6?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on June 28, 2020, 07:35:26 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 28, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
Contact allowed in the 26 from tomorrow, but what is the position in the 6?
As things stand it's not allowed.  Ulster GAA have lobbied the Executive and are waiting an update tomorrow. I'm led to believe they are hopeful it will get the green light.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on June 28, 2020, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: mackers on June 28, 2020, 07:35:26 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 28, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
Contact allowed in the 26 from tomorrow, but what is the position in the 6?
As things stand it's not allowed.  Ulster GAA have lobbied the Executive and are waiting an update tomorrow. I'm led to believe they are hopeful it will get the green light.

We got the green light I got an email about it a few hours ago...

https://www.executiveoffice-ni.gov.uk/news/executive-brings-forward-timetable-indicative-recovery-dates
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on June 29, 2020, 12:03:13 AM
Nothing from the GAA on this though for the 6?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on June 29, 2020, 11:24:01 AM
Apologies.  Contact training is allowed in the 6 from today, it's a notification on whether challenge games can go ahead that is to be announced today (in the 6 counties).
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 29, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: mackers on June 29, 2020, 11:24:01 AM
Apologies.  Contact training is allowed in the 6 from today, it's a notification on whether challenge games can go ahead that is to be announced today (in the 6 counties).

Any dates set for start of the club championships in Down, Antrim, Tyrone, Armagh, Fermanagh and Derry?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Mikhailov on June 29, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
What is story regarding challenge games in the 26? What date can they commence?
The date of July 17th for the wee 6 is too late, sure some county championships are due to start on the 17th weekend....

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2020, 08:09:02 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 29, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
What is story regarding challenge games in the 26? What date can they commence?
The date of July 17th for the wee 6 is too late, sure some county championships are due to start on the 17th weekend....

20th July - WAS the challenge date before the whole thing was brought forward.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on June 29, 2020, 09:42:49 PM
A Kilkenny club player has apparently tested positive for Covid-19.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on June 30, 2020, 12:00:43 AM
Strong words from Michael Duignan. I agree with him.

https://www.otbsports.com/football/gaa-michael-duignan-1038161

Stressing that while he feels the organisation have performed largely well during lockdown, Duignan says he has issues about a return to play.

"The first thing I probably wouldn't have done is put a date in place when you are allowing clubs to play until the end of October. It is creating an overlap.

"I would have also said that any county that trains between now and that date [...] if you are going to train as a county before then, as is reportedly going on around the country, I would throw those teams out of the Championship."

Duignan took a dim view of John Horan's comments about 'not intending' to punish teams that are training before then.

"I don't want the headline to be 'kick them out', but this is not skirting the rules. This, to me, is way more serious than that. We are just coming out of an unprecedented time of our lives, and we can't talk out of both sides of our mouth here.

"If community is going to be first and club is going to be first - it would have been easier to bring back county first, from a logistics point of view. The decision was made to go back with their clubs because every player is a club player.

"I'm disillusioned with the direction from inter-county managers, first of all, for putting pressure on their players to getting back training. Because players will do whatever they are asked to do.

"I am starting with inter-county managers, then county boards for allowing it to happen. I'm also disillusioned with Croke Park for not coming up with stricter sanctions. And the players themselves, and the GPA in particular, for not standing up and saying 'we're not accepting this'.

"It is hypocrisy, it is dishonest and what sort of message are we sending to young men, who are supposed to be leaders of their community, between 22-25 years of age?

"We are running courses for them, we are putting them through college through the GPA, and yet we're telling them that being dishonest and hypocritical is the right way to go about your business. I think it is disgraceful what is happening around the country."

"I think it is high time that people in the GAA grew up and grew a pair of balls, and called it for what it is: you are either training with your county or you're not.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on June 30, 2020, 07:05:53 AM
Likewise. It shows no regards for players or clubs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2020, 08:07:18 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 29, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
What is story regarding challenge games in the 26? What date can they commence?
The date of July 17th for the wee 6 is too late, sure some county championships are due to start on the 17th weekend....

Got an email saying it's from 1st July. Tomorrow apparently.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: toby47 on June 30, 2020, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 29, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: mackers on June 29, 2020, 11:24:01 AM
Apologies.  Contact training is allowed in the 6 from today, it's a notification on whether challenge games can go ahead that is to be announced today (in the 6 counties).

Any dates set for start of the club championships in Down, Antrim, Tyrone, Armagh, Fermanagh and Derry?

Derry championship kicks off weekend 1st/2nd August.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Mikhailov on June 30, 2020, 08:41:09 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2020, 08:07:18 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 29, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
What is story regarding challenge games in the 26? What date can they commence?
The date of July 17th for the wee 6 is too late, sure some county championships are due to start on the 17th weekend....

Got an email saying it's from 1st July. Tomorrow apparently.

So the 26 start challenge games on July 1st but the wee 6 must wait until July 17th. Typical GAA leadership on show here. No date should have been announced until they were sure it had been agreed with the necessary timing issues sorted. I thought the big talk a few weeks back was that we will all start back together as one entity. Interesting to see what happens now
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on June 30, 2020, 09:04:40 AM
I thought Ulster GAA were making a statement yesterday!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thebackbar1 on June 30, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2020, 12:00:43 AM
Strong words from Michael Duignan. I agree with him.

https://www.otbsports.com/football/gaa-michael-duignan-1038161

Stressing that while he feels the organisation have performed largely well during lockdown, Duignan says he has issues about a return to play.

"The first thing I probably wouldn't have done is put a date in place when you are allowing clubs to play until the end of October. It is creating an overlap.

"I would have also said that any county that trains between now and that date [...] if you are going to train as a county before then, as is reportedly going on around the country, I would throw those teams out of the Championship."

Duignan took a dim view of John Horan's comments about 'not intending' to punish teams that are training before then.

"I don't want the headline to be 'kick them out', but this is not skirting the rules. This, to me, is way more serious than that. We are just coming out of an unprecedented time of our lives, and we can't talk out of both sides of our mouth here.

"If community is going to be first and club is going to be first - it would have been easier to bring back county first, from a logistics point of view. The decision was made to go back with their clubs because every player is a club player.

"I'm disillusioned with the direction from inter-county managers, first of all, for putting pressure on their players to getting back training. Because players will do whatever they are asked to do.

"I am starting with inter-county managers, then county boards for allowing it to happen. I'm also disillusioned with Croke Park for not coming up with stricter sanctions. And the players themselves, and the GPA in particular, for not standing up and saying 'we're not accepting this'.

"It is hypocrisy, it is dishonest and what sort of message are we sending to young men, who are supposed to be leaders of their community, between 22-25 years of age?

"We are running courses for them, we are putting them through college through the GPA, and yet we're telling them that being dishonest and hypocritical is the right way to go about your business. I think it is disgraceful what is happening around the country."

"I think it is high time that people in the GAA grew up and grew a pair of balls, and called it for what it is: you are either training with your county or you're not.

Duigan is 100% correct on this, You would think the GPA could of shown some leadership and asked all its players not to train with their county teams.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on June 30, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on June 30, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2020, 12:00:43 AM
Strong words from Michael Duignan. I agree with him.

https://www.otbsports.com/football/gaa-michael-duignan-1038161

Stressing that while he feels the organisation have performed largely well during lockdown, Duignan says he has issues about a return to play.

"The first thing I probably wouldn't have done is put a date in place when you are allowing clubs to play until the end of October. It is creating an overlap.

"I would have also said that any county that trains between now and that date [...] if you are going to train as a county before then, as is reportedly going on around the country, I would throw those teams out of the Championship."

Duignan took a dim view of John Horan's comments about 'not intending' to punish teams that are training before then.

"I don't want the headline to be 'kick them out', but this is not skirting the rules. This, to me, is way more serious than that. We are just coming out of an unprecedented time of our lives, and we can't talk out of both sides of our mouth here.

"If community is going to be first and club is going to be first - it would have been easier to bring back county first, from a logistics point of view. The decision was made to go back with their clubs because every player is a club player.

"I'm disillusioned with the direction from inter-county managers, first of all, for putting pressure on their players to getting back training. Because players will do whatever they are asked to do.

"I am starting with inter-county managers, then county boards for allowing it to happen. I'm also disillusioned with Croke Park for not coming up with stricter sanctions. And the players themselves, and the GPA in particular, for not standing up and saying 'we're not accepting this'.

"It is hypocrisy, it is dishonest and what sort of message are we sending to young men, who are supposed to be leaders of their community, between 22-25 years of age?

"We are running courses for them, we are putting them through college through the GPA, and yet we're telling them that being dishonest and hypocritical is the right way to go about your business. I think it is disgraceful what is happening around the country."

"I think it is high time that people in the GAA grew up and grew a pair of balls, and called it for what it is: you are either training with your county or you're not.

Duigan is 100% correct on this, You would think the GPA could of shown some leadership and asked all its players not to train with their county teams.

+1

For some counties to have the players training instead of playing club league games is scandalous for this specific year.

And I dont blame the players here - if they take a stand they will be dropped from panels
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on June 30, 2020, 02:55:59 PM
I read somewhere that dressing rooms are out of bounds. Fortunately my home town club have a river (sometimes a shuck) flowing by. But in the event of a club not being blessed with such natural  water amenities, it could be a time for knocking heads together and coming up with alternatives.
This would be regarded as top of the line in the garden hose variety.

(http://diystodo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Stylish-DIY-Outdoor-Shower.jpg)

This would be the bog standard , well a shade or two above a watering can.

(http://diystodo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/DIY-Can-Shower-Head.jpg)



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on June 30, 2020, 04:58:39 PM
Maybe bulk buy a few of these  :)

https://sweatguard.co.uk/products/best-antiperspirant-for-excessive-armpit-sweating?variant=29867869012067&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwxev3BRBBEiwAiB_PWHyPK28qynmzGffNXJ3n6Jw4JS4owYHsNJRFHTOzbby2JCENv54IWBoCJREQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on June 30, 2020, 06:01:08 PM
A Club Hurler in Kilkenny tested positive.  His teammates will have to isolate for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: omagh_gael on June 30, 2020, 06:48:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 30, 2020, 06:01:08 PM
A Club Hurler in Kilkenny tested positive.  His teammates will have to isolate for 2 weeks.

Surely that's not true? Didn't the gaa identify training and matches as casual contact therefore no need to self isolate
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on June 30, 2020, 07:00:53 PM
6 Counties still have to wait until 17th July for challenge games!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on June 30, 2020, 07:03:07 PM
Don't tell Snapchap :o
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on June 30, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
It's true, that's the problem with it being Amatuer. Those players will probaly miss 2 weeks wages from work

The Inter County season starting in October when the flu season starts. It could be carnage then.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on July 01, 2020, 02:14:52 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 30, 2020, 06:01:08 PM
A Club Hurler in Kilkenny tested positive.  His teammates will have to isolate for 2 weeks.

Not strictly true. They isolate until contact tracing and tests are done so could be less than 2 weeks. Training is regarded as close contact though.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2020, 07:49:50 AM
Folks
Anyone have any guidance/ best practice for washing jerseys and I don't mean 'use daz' etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: themac_23 on July 01, 2020, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2020, 07:49:50 AM
Folks
Anyone have any guidance/ best practice for washing jerseys and I don't mean 'use daz' etc.

Id actually say a good idea would be use squad numbers and each player look after their own jersey for the season
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2020, 08:06:06 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on July 01, 2020, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2020, 07:49:50 AM
Folks
Anyone have any guidance/ best practice for washing jerseys and I don't mean 'use daz' etc.

Id actually say a good idea would be use squad numbers and each player look after their own jersey for the season

I was half thinking that. However you know yourself some buck will forget!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 02, 2020, 06:04:57 PM
I think the problems with public attendance at these games is shown by the Danish cup final where a modest crowd was admitted, but the game had to be stopped because some of the fans insisted on squeezing in together. Some people are thick and several thick people together is a bad combination.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0702/1150933-social-distancing-breaches-delays-danish-cup-final/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 03, 2020, 08:22:13 AM
At some stage it was communicated that you could only tog 24 players for challenge matches, is that still the case?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on July 03, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 30, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
It's true, that's the problem with it being Amatuer. Those players will probaly miss 2 weeks wages from work

The Inter County season starting in October when the flu season starts. It could be carnage then.

It will be carnage this is a none runner people are going to be sick and not know whether its a heavy cold, Flu or Covid 19.

Some gobshite wont do what their supposed to do and that could be the star man on the team or the village idiot.

I would put good money on that there will be no All - Ireland Final this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2020, 04:20:10 PM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/counties-could-face-expulsion-from-all-ireland-as-gaa-harden-collective-training-stance-1009121.html?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 03, 2020, 04:40:47 PM
I think this will be like trying to stop payments to managers...
Or will be implemented against some little County.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
I had read on Twitter that Geezer/Armagh county board had said county players could only play the first 3 games with their club and then were going back to county.

Assuming league games start at some stage in July it will be interesting to see if this is implemented given I guess they will have 3 games completed long before Sep 14th
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 03, 2020, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 03, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
I had read on Twitter that Geezer/Armagh county board had said county players could only play the first 3 games with their club and then were going back to county.

Assuming league games start at some stage in July it will be interesting to see if this is implemented given I guess they will have 3 games completed long before Sep 14th

This was based on the original fixtures which were released by ACB about 3 weeks ago.  And it was stated that the clubs would have the county players for the first 3 games and the Championship which was taking us up to the middle of September, which dovetailed with the date that the GAA said counties could get access to their players.  So there was no "Geezer skullduggery" there, it all aligned.

However, this week the ACB revised the league fixtures so that we are starting in two weeks time (instead of at the end of July as originally planned).  I assume this will allow the clubs to have the players for an extra league game.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2020, 07:07:50 PM
Any other county not having their normal leagues this year or is it only Mayo?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 03, 2020, 08:26:52 PM
No talk of Leagues in Ros.
9 Rounds so I think we can take it as a no.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Gael85 on July 03, 2020, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2020, 07:07:50 PM
Any other county not having their normal leagues this year or is it only Mayo?

No league games in Dublin which is 15 games. Teams will get at least 3 championship games. Could be a cup competition would will probably be another 3 games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on July 04, 2020, 12:02:57 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 03, 2020, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2020, 07:07:50 PM
Any other county not having their normal leagues this year or is it only Mayo?

No league games in Dublin which is 15 games. Teams will get at least 3 championship games. Could be a cup competition would will probably be another 3 games.

No leagues in Derry a 4 team round robin then seeded for straight knockout in the Championship each team guaranteed 4 games.

Our grading system doesn't really depend on the league though like it does in some other Counties you can choose what grade you want to play at in Derry.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 04, 2020, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2020, 07:07:50 PM
Any other county not having their normal leagues this year or is it only Mayo?
No league here either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on July 04, 2020, 02:23:03 AM
Mayo, Tyrone, Dublin, Kerry, Armagh the only counties not giving a straight answer. https://www.otbsports.com/football/gaa-inter-county-1039812
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 04, 2020, 10:49:48 AM
The elite counties then.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on July 04, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
When club matches start again, both underage and senior, will people be allowed to watch them or will there be a limit etc. or no spectators at all?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2020, 01:59:33 PM
I'm told up to 500 including players management and officials will be allowed in Ros in accordance with Government guidelines.
So around 400 spectators.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on July 04, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Stories going around Tyrone were training this morning! Monaghan/Down had been training yet county board said they haven't. Until you see actual evidence though its all speculation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on July 04, 2020, 06:02:00 PM
The cowards in gpa and croke Park of course will do or say nothing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2020, 06:03:52 PM
GPA aren't a ruling body.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on July 04, 2020, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2020, 06:03:52 PM
GPA aren't a ruling body.

Whats that got to do with anything? Should they not come out and say their players are bring asked to break rules by co boards and are gaining unfair advantage against players in other counties.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on July 04, 2020, 06:33:34 PM
Their statement smells to me like "don't bite the hand that feeds you".

I wouldn't be impressed by the Gaa in this at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
If training by County teams was happening I'm sure the GPA could say that their members shouldn't.
But that would hardly stop Counties who are alleged to be training by posters on GAAboard.
The GAA is the ruling body but they'll need proof to enforce any sanctions.
Lads posting on Gaaboard or A County player's brother being quoted by some mate won't cut much ice I suspect.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on July 04, 2020, 08:15:54 PM
Book should be thrown at any county training including my own.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 04, 2020, 09:41:54 PM
Sure in this day and age someone is bound to tweet a pic.
A good plan might be to wear the jerseys of some other county while training.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2020, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 03, 2020, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 03, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
I had read on Twitter that Geezer/Armagh county board had said county players could only play the first 3 games with their club and then were going back to county.

Assuming league games start at some stage in July it will be interesting to see if this is implemented given I guess they will have 3 games completed long before Sep 14th

This was based on the original fixtures which were released by ACB about 3 weeks ago.  And it was stated that the clubs would have the county players for the first 3 games and the Championship which was taking us up to the middle of September, which dovetailed with the date that the GAA said counties could get access to their players.  So there was no "Geezer skullduggery" there, it all aligned.

However, this week the ACB revised the league fixtures so that we are starting in two weeks time (instead of at the end of July as originally planned).  I assume this will allow the clubs to have the players for an extra league game.

So yet again another non story on Twitter.

Why was there such a furore? Seems the club's will have access to their players from now until September (unless Armagh are already training and players aren't training with their clubs)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on July 05, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Training for nothing , there will be no inter county this year .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2020, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 05, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Training for nothing , there will be no inter county this year .

You reckon?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on July 05, 2020, 06:55:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2020, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 05, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Training for nothing , there will be no inter county this year .

You reckon?

Just have a feeling looking at all these reports of spikes after countries start to open up we could be looking at another lockdown by autumn , hope I'm wrong . I honestly thought we had it near beat but these reports from parts of Spain , USA etc are not good at all and they are all linked to bars , hotels , restaurants opening up , social gatherings seem to be a complete fook up when it comes to covid . It's all very depressing, anyone else's head melted over it ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on July 05, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
whats the craic with croke park if fans are banned but pubs are allowed open will we not see fans descend to dublin pubs on all ireland  final saturday.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 05, 2020, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 05, 2020, 06:55:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2020, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 05, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Training for nothing , there will be no inter county this year .

You reckon?

Just have a feeling looking at all these reports of spikes after countries start to open up we could be looking at another lockdown by autumn , hope I’m wrong . I honestly thought we had it near beat but these reports from parts of Spain , USA etc are not good at all and they are all linked to bars , hotels , restaurants opening up , social gatherings seem to be a complete fook up when it comes to covid . It’s all very depressing, anyone else’s head melted over it ?

Don't know about Spain but parts of the USA never took it seriously to begin with and they have a gobshite for a president.


If spikes happen here counties rather than a countrywide lockdown is more likely. I think we should wait to see how the club championships goes before making judgement on the inter County season. Loads of club challenges was played in the last week and we still have a low number of cases.

Quote from: Eire90 on July 05, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
whats the craic with croke park if fans are banned but pubs are allowed open will we not see fans descend to dublin pubs on all ireland  final saturday.

If fans aren't allowed into Croke Park HQ will likely cancel the championship
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on July 05, 2020, 08:01:14 PM
How would reduced attendance work in croker anyway, a semi final with 41k capacity is going to cause mayhem round drumcondra , I'm not at all sure they've thought this through .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 05, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Folks, seeking information. Is there a requirement to provide a list of names / contact details of COVID 19 Supervisors to Croke Park and if so who is the contact? I'm trying to find out how COVID Supervisors in the club access the details for their own team.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 06, 2020, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 05, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Folks, seeking information. Is there a requirement to provide a list of names / contact details of COVID 19 Supervisors to Croke Park and if so who is the contact? I'm trying to find out how COVID Supervisors in the club access the details for their own team.

I've had similar technical issues.

This appears to be the support address gmssupport@gaa.ie
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 06, 2020, 07:29:23 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 05, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Folks, seeking information. Is there a requirement to provide a list of names / contact details of COVID 19 Supervisors to Croke Park and if so who is the contact? I'm trying to find out how COVID Supervisors in the club access the details for their own team.

We had problems with that Rufus, but someone contacted Croke Park and the problem was resolved.
Drop me a PM if you want any more details than that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on July 06, 2020, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 05, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Folks, seeking information. Is there a requirement to provide a list of names / contact details of COVID 19 Supervisors to Croke Park and if so who is the contact? I'm trying to find out how COVID Supervisors in the club access the details for their own team.

I'd quite a delay from my email being submitted to Croke Park and actually getting the functionality to check the various teams and their panels having completed the questionnaires, almost a week.

Our secretary was feeding all the email addresses back to Croke Park, but don't ask me who to directly.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 06, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on July 04, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Stories going around Tyrone were training this morning! Monaghan/Down had been training yet county board said they haven't. Until you see actual evidence though its all speculation.

My clubs county players were with their club on Saturday morning so that ends that one.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on July 06, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 06, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on July 04, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Stories going around Tyrone were training this morning! Monaghan/Down had been training yet county board said they haven't. Until you see actual evidence though its all speculation.

My clubs county players were with their club on Saturday morning so that ends that one.

They definitely were not training Saturday morning unless a number of players have been dropped from the panel.

I see McKenna was slabbering on Twitter about something he knows nothing about. And him not even in the country  ::)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn't warmed his heart this year. He knows that it's simply a symptom of dysfunction.
"This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it's different."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn't warmed his heart this year. He knows that it's simply a symptom of dysfunction.
"This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it's different."
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 06, 2020, 01:51:59 PM
Thanks Norf Tyrone, Johnnycool and Joe for the responses on this - much appreciated.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn’t warmed his heart this year. He knows that it’s simply a symptom of dysfunction.
“This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it’s different.”
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."

Perch quote relates to league titles won. Liverpool on 18 titles back when the quote was made United 7. Right now it's 20 - 19 in favour of United. Now back to topic, tainted championship or not can Dublin win the All Ireland with a FF Taoiseach in charge?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 06, 2020, 05:19:42 PM
Was 1977 the last Cunny?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 05:28:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2020, 05:19:42 PM
Was 1977 the last Cunny?
I believe so.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 07, 2020, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 06, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 06, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on July 04, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Stories going around Tyrone were training this morning! Monaghan/Down had been training yet county board said they haven't. Until you see actual evidence though its all speculation.

My clubs county players were with their club on Saturday morning so that ends that one.

They definitely were not training Saturday morning unless a number of players have been dropped from the panel.

I see McKenna was slabbering on Twitter about something he knows nothing about. And him not even in the country  ::)

That explains that then, throwing mud and hoping something sticks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 07, 2020, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 06, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 06, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on July 04, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Stories going around Tyrone were training this morning! Monaghan/Down had been training yet county board said they haven't. Until you see actual evidence though its all speculation.

My clubs county players were with their club on Saturday morning so that ends that one.

They definitely were not training Saturday morning unless a number of players have been dropped from the panel.

I see McKenna was slabbering on Twitter about something he knows nothing about. And him not even in the country  ::)

That explains that then, throwing mud and hoping something sticks.

He knows by mentioning us he will get more clicks/attention - no basis to it at all - infact he was outright lying
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2020, 09:53:44 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/ulster-gaa-facing-2-million-shortfall-due-to-impact-of-coronavirus-1.4297698?mode=amp
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on July 07, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn't warmed his heart this year. He knows that it's simply a symptom of dysfunction.
"This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it's different."
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."

Perch quote relates to league titles won. Liverpool on 18 titles back when the quote was made United 7. Right now it's 20 - 19 in favour of United. Now back to topic, tainted championship or not can Dublin win the All Ireland with a FF Taoiseach in charge?
Ferguson made the quote in 2002 actually, when Manchester United were still four behind Liverpool in league titles. He made clear the job of knocking Liverpool "off their perch" had already been achieved.

Now Liverpool, like Dublin, are very much back on their perch.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn’t warmed his heart this year. He knows that it’s simply a symptom of dysfunction.
“This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it’s different.”
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."

Perch quote relates to league titles won. Liverpool on 18 titles back when the quote was made United 7. Right now it's 20 - 19 in favour of United. Now back to topic, tainted championship or not can Dublin win the All Ireland with a FF Taoiseach in charge?
Ferguson made the quote in 2002 actually, when Manchester United were still four behind Liverpool in league titles. He made clear the job of knocking Liverpool "off their perch" had already been achieved.

Now Liverpool, like Dublin, are very much back on their perch.

Many of the informed journalists reminded Ferguson  of his quote when United won their 19th league title in 2011, in reply Fergie gave a Jim Gavin like smirk.  Liverpool with a great manager and lack of challengers should have no problem getting to 21 league titles in the years ahead.

As for Dublin they are still 8* All-Ireland titles behind Kerry. A target for Dessie to reach?


*thanks for the correction Farrandeelin.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Rumour going around an offaly club is suspending activity due to Positive Covid -19 tests .
Could have serious implication across the country if True
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 08, 2020, 10:19:00 AM
Was always a danger of it happening in some County.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 08, 2020, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Rumour going around an offaly club is suspending activity due to Positive Covid -19 tests .
Could have serious implication across the country if True

What implications? There are going to be cases, especially with people travelling and so on. If anyone in a club gets anywhere close to a case then suspending activity for a week at least is wise until various contacts can be tested and the situation mapped out.
What the GAA needs to do is ensure that this happens, even if games are delayed as a consequence.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2020, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn't warmed his heart this year. He knows that it's simply a symptom of dysfunction.
"This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it's different."
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."

Perch quote relates to league titles won. Liverpool on 18 titles back when the quote was made United 7. Right now it's 20 - 19 in favour of United. Now back to topic, tainted championship or not can Dublin win the All Ireland with a FF Taoiseach in charge?
Ferguson made the quote in 2002 actually, when Manchester United were still four behind Liverpool in league titles. He made clear the job of knocking Liverpool "off their perch" had already been achieved.

Now Liverpool, like Dublin, are very much back on their perch.

Many of the informed journalists reminded Ferguson  of his quote when United won their 19th league title in 2011, in reply Fergie gave a Jim Gavin like smirk.  Liverpool with a great manager and lack of challengers should have no problem getting to 21 league titles in the years ahead.

As for Dublin they are still 13 All-Ireland titles behind Kerry. A target for Dessie to reach?

Dublin are 8 behind Kerry I thought?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2020, 12:15:27 PM

Dublin are 8 behind Kerry I thought?

Yes you would be right. Dublin was 13 behind before the 5 in a row was won. Need to win 9 more All-Ireland titles to overtake Kerrys total of 37.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2020, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn't warmed his heart this year. He knows that it's simply a symptom of dysfunction.
"This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it's different."
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."

Perch quote relates to league titles won. Liverpool on 18 titles back when the quote was made United 7. Right now it's 20 - 19 in favour of United. Now back to topic, tainted championship or not can Dublin win the All Ireland with a FF Taoiseach in charge?
Ferguson made the quote in 2002 actually, when Manchester United were still four behind Liverpool in league titles. He made clear the job of knocking Liverpool "off their perch" had already been achieved.

Now Liverpool, like Dublin, are very much back on their perch.

Many of the informed journalists reminded Ferguson  of his quote when United won their 19th league title in 2011, in reply Fergie gave a Jim Gavin like smirk.  Liverpool with a great manager and lack of challengers should have no problem getting to 21 league titles in the years ahead.

As for Dublin they are still 13 All-Ireland titles behind Kerry. A target for Dessie to reach?

Dublin are 8 behind Kerry I thought?

One of the Kerry Politburo said last year  that they would now focus on defending the overall number of titles . Operation Perch
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on July 08, 2020, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Rumour going around an offaly club is suspending activity due to Positive Covid -19 tests .
Could have serious implication across the country if True

If true I don't see the sense/need to shut the country down over one isolated outbreak.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 03:04:35 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 08, 2020, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Rumour going around an offaly club is suspending activity due to Positive Covid -19 tests .
Could have serious implication across the country if True

If true I don't see the sense/need to shut the country down over one isolated outbreak.
Probably but the gaa have taken a very conservative approach so far .
A Lot of the administrators have kids playing at all levels . that would definitely color their judgement 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2020, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2020, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn't warmed his heart this year. He knows that it's simply a symptom of dysfunction.
"This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it's different."
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."

Perch quote relates to league titles won. Liverpool on 18 titles back when the quote was made United 7. Right now it's 20 - 19 in favour of United. Now back to topic, tainted championship or not can Dublin win the All Ireland with a FF Taoiseach in charge?
Ferguson made the quote in 2002 actually, when Manchester United were still four behind Liverpool in league titles. He made clear the job of knocking Liverpool "off their perch" had already been achieved.

Now Liverpool, like Dublin, are very much back on their perch.

Many of the informed journalists reminded Ferguson  of his quote when United won their 19th league title in 2011, in reply Fergie gave a Jim Gavin like smirk.  Liverpool with a great manager and lack of challengers should have no problem getting to 21 league titles in the years ahead.

As for Dublin they are still 13 All-Ireland titles behind Kerry. A target for Dessie to reach?

Dublin are 8 behind Kerry I thought?

One of the Kerry Politburo said last year  that they would now focus on defending the overall number of titles . Operation Perch

Eamonn Fitzmaurice said after the defeat in last years final that "the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade"", it was a telling statement. While it's unrealistic to expect Dublin to win year after year, would 5/6 titles a decade be that much of a surprise for the next 30 years?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 09, 2020, 05:13:06 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2020, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2020, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 06, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/john-maughan-this-year-s-all-ireland-will-be-tainted-whoever-wins-it-1.4296683

The resurrection of knockout hasn't warmed his heart this year. He knows that it's simply a symptom of dysfunction.
"This is a little bit like the foot-and-mouth league - the Covid All-Ireland! No matter who wins it, it will be tainted because it's different."
Translation of Maughan: "I'm a Manchester United supporter fuming that Liverpool are back on their perch."

Perch quote relates to league titles won. Liverpool on 18 titles back when the quote was made United 7. Right now it's 20 - 19 in favour of United. Now back to topic, tainted championship or not can Dublin win the All Ireland with a FF Taoiseach in charge?
Ferguson made the quote in 2002 actually, when Manchester United were still four behind Liverpool in league titles. He made clear the job of knocking Liverpool "off their perch" had already been achieved.

Now Liverpool, like Dublin, are very much back on their perch.

Many of the informed journalists reminded Ferguson  of his quote when United won their 19th league title in 2011, in reply Fergie gave a Jim Gavin like smirk.  Liverpool with a great manager and lack of challengers should have no problem getting to 21 league titles in the years ahead.

As for Dublin they are still 13 All-Ireland titles behind Kerry. A target for Dessie to reach?

Dublin are 8 behind Kerry I thought?

One of the Kerry Politburo said last year  that they would now focus on defending the overall number of titles . Operation Perch

Eamonn Fitzmaurice said after the defeat in last years final that "the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade"", it was a telling statement. While it's unrealistic to expect Dublin to win year after year, would 5/6 titles a decade be that much of a surprise for the next 30 years?

Sorry, going back to Maughan's quote and sid's understanding of it.... Why would John Maughan care if Dublin or Kerry have more All Irelands?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on July 09, 2020, 11:35:32 AM
I see Wexford county board were scrambling for cover after one of the club managers dropped them in it.

Wexford fullback broke his foot and walking around with a boot at the moment. His club manager manager said he did it doing something for the county team, but the county board said no inter county training has taken place........

Who to believe? The club manager or the county board. If I was the club manager I'd avoid answering the phone for the next week or so in case it's Davy looking for a word
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on July 10, 2020, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 08, 2020, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Rumour going around an offaly club is suspending activity due to Positive Covid -19 tests .
Could have serious implication across the country if True

What implications? There are going to be cases, especially with people travelling and so on. If anyone in a club gets anywhere close to a case then suspending activity for a week at least is wise until various contacts can be tested and the situation mapped out.
What the GAA needs to do is ensure that this happens, even if games are delayed as a consequence.
Is the quarantine period not 2 weeks? Should one player test positive after an Ulster QF game, what do you think the consequences would be? 2 weeks quarantine for both teams, officials, stadium rinse down, semi final delay? That's the standard medical advice and that's the chaos resulting from just one player testing positive. I'd say the whole championship season is predicated upon no player testing positive.


 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 10, 2020, 09:42:40 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0709/1152427-cork-gaa-club-halt-activities-due-to-covid-precautions/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 10, 2020, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2020, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 08, 2020, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Rumour going around an offaly club is suspending activity due to Positive Covid -19 tests .
Could have serious implication across the country if True

What implications? There are going to be cases, especially with people travelling and so on. If anyone in a club gets anywhere close to a case then suspending activity for a week at least is wise until various contacts can be tested and the situation mapped out.
What the GAA needs to do is ensure that this happens, even if games are delayed as a consequence.
Is the quarantine period not 2 weeks? Should one player test positive after an Ulster QF game, what do you think the consequences would be? 2 weeks quarantine for both teams, officials, stadium rinse down, semi final delay? That's the standard medical advice and that's the chaos resulting from just one player testing positive. I'd say the whole championship season is predicated upon no player testing positive.




It is still 14 days. However you can now get a test and result back within 2/3 days.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 10, 2020, 11:54:55 AM
Will Club or County teams put into isolation have to cede walkovers?
Could some County win the AI without kicking a ball or getting 2 or 3 walkovers?
There could be a lot of asterisks needed.....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 10, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2020, 11:54:55 AM
Will Club or County teams put into isolation have to cede walkovers?
Could some County win the AI without kicking a ball or getting 2 or 3 walkovers?
There could be a lot of asterisks needed.....
Its going to be very hard to relegate teams in this environment.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
Who is responsible for testing at club level. Croke Park of the club itself?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on July 10, 2020, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 10, 2020, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2020, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 08, 2020, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Rumour going around an offaly club is suspending activity due to Positive Covid -19 tests .
Could have serious implication across the country if True

What implications? There are going to be cases, especially with people travelling and so on. If anyone in a club gets anywhere close to a case then suspending activity for a week at least is wise until various contacts can be tested and the situation mapped out.
What the GAA needs to do is ensure that this happens, even if games are delayed as a consequence.
Is the quarantine period not 2 weeks? Should one player test positive after an Ulster QF game, what do you think the consequences would be? 2 weeks quarantine for both teams, officials, stadium rinse down, semi final delay? That's the standard medical advice and that's the chaos resulting from just one player testing positive. I'd say the whole championship season is predicated upon no player testing positive.
It is still 14 days. However you can now get a test and result back within 2/3 days.
It should really be a same day result. A modest sized  scottish football club purchased their own virus test machine, it was more practical for them and with an accurate test result in 20 minutes.
However a player can be carrying the virus,  but test negative in the first test and it may not show up until tested after another  4 or 5 days. 
After 5 days, all players and backroom staff from both teams would have to be retested and given the all clear once the test results are confirmed. Then you're looking at a  6 or 7 day quarantine.

If not an infectious threat, a single player testing positive after a game would at a minimum effect a large disruption to a very tight League & Championship  schedule.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on July 10, 2020, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
Who is responsible for testing at club level. Croke Park of the club itself?

I'd say it's through the normal statutory body for wherever. HSE in the 26 and the Dept of Health in the wee 6.

Unless you're thinking that all teams need tested two, three times a week like in the premiership!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 10, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0710/1152520-new-gaa-rules-water-breaks-limited-subs-on-sideline/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on July 10, 2020, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 10, 2020, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
Who is responsible for testing at club level. Croke Park of the club itself?

I'd say it's through the normal statutory body for wherever. HSE in the 26 and the Dept of Health in the wee 6.

Unless you're thinking that all teams need tested two, three times a week like in the premiership!
But if you get a positive result, it can be appealed to the CCCC  -> CHC -> CAC ->DRA
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 12, 2020, 03:01:38 PM
Another club suspending activities.
The strangely named Man o' War club in Dublin.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2020, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 12, 2020, 03:01:38 PM
Another club suspending activities.
The strangely named Man o' War club in Dublin.

And the 3 Cork clubs got all clear to resume club activities.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 12, 2020, 07:40:31 PM
Good to hear.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2020, 08:29:34 PM
A different Cork club (Glanworth) had a player test positive for Covid-19.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcvvODyXsAIesu_?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yewtree on July 14, 2020, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2020, 09:30:09 AM
According to Gaelic life player tested for COVID-19 from Attical.. Hopefully gets well soon, but have County Board or Croke Park set out guidelines on what happens to club if this happens? They have a fixture on Friday and if it's a player on senior panel do the rest of the panel need to self-isolate?


Quote from: yewtree on July 07, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 06, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 06, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Nothing personal but just calling out the clubs who think they are above the law. The truth really does hurt some people.

And who is your holier than thou club lotto?

The issue here is managers and clubs being above the rules and society.
They need to be called out.
Lunatics having 15 ,16 year olds out training in Kilbroney in June (against all regulations GAA and society ) when the games are not until October, it is either right or wrong. Our County Board and our clubs who don't call this out are wrong and weak.
It is not an issue of 'holier than thou' it was and is wrong.
Mourne Red were you aware of this ?
Do you think it was correct ?
If your club had a 15 ,16 year old there when restrictions were not lifted and he was one of over 30 in a small pitch in Kilbroney would you think it ok ?
Would you ask your club to ask at the county board what went on in Kilbroney that night ?
What adults called for that gathering ?
Then ask the County Board to give all details to Croke Park ,Newry ,Mourne and Down District Council Officers and take it from there.
The clubs and managers ethics during this pandemic need to be assessed.

Mourne Red that is terrible news out of Attical. It is very worrying for all in that area and to the continuation of Gaelic matches and training.

Kilbroney gate has not been looked into at all and as usual certain people are above the rules and ethics of GAA .This irresponsible behaviour needs called out , these adults are bringing the game into disrepute.

To highlight this disregard and GAA position on County Team Gatherings and processes under Covid 19 our County mentors have called 15,16 year old lads to Kilbroney Park again this week for a training gathering less than 10 miles from Attical.

Can our County Board and clubs stand by and watch this ? The GAA needs to stop this and sanctions handed out.

These lunatics are making a mockery of everything and a disgrace - does Down GAA sit back and allow this ?

Let's all hope the news from Attical is not life threatening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 14, 2020, 03:27:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 12, 2020, 03:01:38 PM
Another club suspending activities.
The strangely named Man o' War club in Dublin.
More than just strangely named. Hillbilly focks
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on July 14, 2020, 08:13:37 PM
Packed Stadia could be several years away , will the GAA survive ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on July 15, 2020, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 14, 2020, 08:13:37 PM
Packed Stadia could be several years away , will the GAA survive ?

Huh?

I'd expect that of all the sports in this world that are now facing a dramatic drop in revenues, the (largely) amateur GAA is best positioned to survive with minimal adjustments.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on July 15, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
The 500 crowds that was expected to be allowed for club games this Monday is now look to be getting pushed back to August 10th.

Only 200 allowed in attendance for now and that will include players, management and officials.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 15, 2020, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 15, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
The 500 crowds that was expected to be allowed for club games this Monday is now look to be getting pushed back to August 10th.

Only 200 allowed in attendance for now and that will include players, management and officials.

26 Or 32?

Do you have a link for that?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on July 15, 2020, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 15, 2020, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 15, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
The 500 crowds that was expected to be allowed for club games this Monday is now look to be getting pushed back to August 10th.

Only 200 allowed in attendance for now and that will include players, management and officials.

26 Or 32?

Do you have a link for that?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0715/1153529-blow-for-gaa-and-fai-as-crowd-restrictions-are-to-stay/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on July 16, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Still no word on this weekends fixtures in the North.

Looks like there wont be crowds at any games for one game at least
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 15, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
The 500 crowds that was expected to be allowed for club games this Monday is now look to be getting pushed back to August 10th.

Only 200 allowed in attendance for now and that will include players, management and officials.

How are they going to enforce that? Are they really going to have a person on the gate turning people away?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on July 16, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
At the minute supporters cannot watch a match in Crossmaglen but watch a match in Sheelagh. The GAA in the North is being left behind by a so called all Ireland organisation. I have not seen or heard any of or MLA's bemoan the fact that this injustice is happening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on July 16, 2020, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 16, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
At the minute supporters cannot watch a match in Crossmaglen but watch a match in Sheelagh. The GAA in the North is being left behind by a so called all Ireland organisation. I have not seen or heard any of or MLA's bemoan the fact that this injustice is happening.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/14/news/differing-coronavirus-rules-undermining-all-island-nature-of-gaa--2004498/content.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 16, 2020, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: APM on July 16, 2020, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 16, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
At the minute supporters cannot watch a match in Crossmaglen but watch a match in Sheelagh. The GAA in the North is being left behind by a so called all Ireland organisation. I have not seen or heard any of or MLA's bemoan the fact that this injustice is happening.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/14/news/differing-coronavirus-rules-undermining-all-island-nature-of-gaa--2004498/content.html

So to ensure equality the Clubs in the South should have zero spectators too?

Stormont are meeting on this on Friday anyway.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mackers on July 16, 2020, 11:00:30 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 16, 2020, 10:38:22 AM
Stormont are meeting on this on Friday anyway.
Are you sure? Hope you're right but I heard that they weren't meeting again until the 20th.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2020, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 15, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
The 500 crowds that was expected to be allowed for club games this Monday is now look to be getting pushed back to August 10th.

Only 200 allowed in attendance for now and that will include players, management and officials.

How are they going to enforce that? Are they really going to have a person on the gate turning people away?
Gates/turnstiles closed. Only the 100 spectators with tickets bought in advance get let in.
I believe we already have a sell out for a Ros hurling Championship match this weekend ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on July 16, 2020, 11:08:53 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 16, 2020, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: APM on July 16, 2020, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 16, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
At the minute supporters cannot watch a match in Crossmaglen but watch a match in Sheelagh. The GAA in the North is being left behind by a so called all Ireland organisation. I have not seen or heard any of or MLA's bemoan the fact that this injustice is happening.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/14/news/differing-coronavirus-rules-undermining-all-island-nature-of-gaa--2004498/content.html

So to ensure equality the Clubs in the South should have zero spectators too?

Stormont are meeting on this on Friday anyway.

I don't think I said that?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2020, 11:50:22 AM
I doubt if the GAA or sport is top of the agenda in Stormont or Executive.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on July 16, 2020, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2020, 11:50:22 AM
I doubt if the GAA or sport is top of the agenda in Stormont or Executive.

It's not top. But it'll be pretty high up.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on July 16, 2020, 02:36:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2020, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2020, 11:50:22 AM
I doubt if the GAA or sport is top of the agenda in Stormont or Executive.

It's not top. But it'll be pretty high up.

As much as public and private Gyms are also allowed to open but not those on the GAA's premises...

Strange that the clubs in the North weren't allowed leeway on this considering the local legislation allows for it.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on July 16, 2020, 04:16:04 PM
Go on father, go on. Lock the gates to God's house. Sure they were locked at the time of the Famine too. No priest died the time of the Famine: only poor people like us.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 16, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 16, 2020, 04:16:04 PM
Go on father, go on. Lock the gates to God's house. Sure they were locked at the time of the Famine too. No priest died the time of the Famine: only poor people like us.
God made the world and seaweed made that field boy.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Targetman on July 16, 2020, 09:27:48 PM
No bother getting umpires tomorrow night!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2020, 11:42:15 PM
Killeshin in Laois ceasing activities till 27th July.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on July 17, 2020, 08:34:05 AM
What's the chances club championships won't get finished in the current time frame?

Push the county scene back or will it all turn into a farce?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2020, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 17, 2020, 08:34:05 AM
What's the chances club championships won't get finished in the current time frame?

Push the county scene back or will it all turn into a farce?

Whatever about the club scene not finishing on time, the county could be left for 2020.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on July 17, 2020, 08:53:56 AM
John Horan on the radio there asking for GAA attendances to be increased to 500.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2020, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on July 17, 2020, 08:53:56 AM
John Horan on the radio there asking for GAA attendances to be increased to 500.

Good lad John.

Any chance the games in the North having 1 at a game?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on July 17, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Why doesn't John Horan just deal with what the experts recommend. Comes across as arrogant to me.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: ardtole on July 17, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Why doesn't John Horan just deal with what the experts recommend. Comes across as arrogant to me.

The attendance figures are a bit like the number of lifeboats on the Titanic, someone thought of a number regardless of the size of the venue,
The GAA has some large facilities and even a normal pitch could cater for 400 people one metre apart standing on the fence. So I think he has a case.

As for the North, in Cross' a certain number can go to the church, now the church in Cross' is quite large but not as big as Oliver Plunkett Park  and it makes no sense to have a certain number indoors while not allowing that number in a bigger outdoor venue. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on July 17, 2020, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: ardtole on July 17, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Why doesn't John Horan just deal with what the experts recommend. Comes across as arrogant to me.

The attendance figures are a bit like the number of lifeboats on the Titanic, someone thought of a number regardless of the size of the venue,
The GAA has some large facilities and even a normal pitch could cater for 400 people one metre apart standing on the fence. So I think he has a case.

As for the North, in Cross' a certain number can go to the church, now the church in Cross' is quite large but not as big as Oliver Plunkett Park  and it makes no sense to have a certain number indoors while not allowing that number in a bigger outdoor venue. 

I'd agree. In an effort for a Fitz Hall approach they've forgotten everyone is a different size.

Similarly to when govt allowed outdoor training, and golf, to return early, there must surely be a mental health and social benefit in allowing communities to meet each other in outdoor spaces with excess capacity.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 17, 2020, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: ardtole on July 17, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Why doesn't John Horan just deal with what the experts recommend. Comes across as arrogant to me.

The attendance figures are a bit like the number of lifeboats on the Titanic, someone thought of a number regardless of the size of the venue,
The GAA has some large facilities and even a normal pitch could cater for 400 people one metre apart standing on the fence. So I think he has a case.

As for the North, in Cross' a certain number can go to the church, now the church in Cross' is quite large but not as big as Oliver Plunkett Park  and it makes no sense to have a certain number indoors while not allowing that number in a bigger outdoor venue. 

I'd agree. In an effort for a Fitz Hall approach they've forgotten everyone is a different size.

Similarly to when govt allowed outdoor training, and golf, to return early, there must surely be a mental health and social benefit in allowing communities to meet each other in outdoor spaces with excess capacity.

Lads we are all in agreement here and we can saw it till we are blue in the face - doesnt make a difference though in that we cant watch the games
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Flanker on July 17, 2020, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on July 17, 2020, 11:00:28 AM
Craigbane, Banagher, Limavady, Drumsurn, Drum and Glack have all suspended activity. I believe it's just precautionary but you start to wonder could it impact Championship and is it all really worth it this season?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 11:18:06 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 17, 2020, 08:34:05 AM
What's the chances club championships won't get finished in the current time frame?

Push the county scene back or will it all turn into a farce?

Most counties will only have a game or two. Club championships could be finished afterwards, if required.

Quote from: Flanker on July 17, 2020, 11:14:20 AM
Craigbane, Banagher, Limavady, Drumsurn, Drum and Glack have all suspended activity. I believe it's just precautionary but you start to wonder could it impact Championship and is it all really worth it this season?

You'd need a certain flexibility with fixtures compared to previous years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on July 17, 2020, 12:29:15 PM
i am hearing a player from carlow played 3 games from saturday to a monday tested positive on monday
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on July 17, 2020, 12:59:13 PM
I cant believe the arrogance of the donegal Gaa asking for more fans
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on July 17, 2020, 04:08:31 PM
Ulster Council;

In the 'Six Counties' no spectators are permitted to attend games. While the maximum number currently permitted at an outdoor gathering is 30, an exemption has been applied to allow that number to be exceeded if you are "taking part in, or assisting with, a sporting event." As supporters have no direct role in the actual staging of the event, it unfortunately means that they cannot be present. It is hoped that there will be some relaxation of this guideline in the near future but, for now, we appeal to supporters to act in the overall public interest and stay away from games. By doing this we hasten the day when we can go back to attending our great games. 


Clarification has been received in relation to parents 'attending' underage games (U-18 and below). In this respect where a parent is transporting a child to play in a game they are deemed to be 'assisting with' the fixture and are therefore permitted to attend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2020, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2020, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 17, 2020, 08:34:05 AM
What's the chances club championships won't get finished in the current time frame?

Push the county scene back or will it all turn into a farce?

Whatever about the club scene not finishing on time, the county could be left for 2020.

In regards to Inter County all I see going ahead now is the completion of the NFL, I don't see HQ going ahead with the championship when crowds aren't allowed. Arguing over a mere 500 at games when the virus is contained kinda shows the chances of 1000s at games in October will be very slim.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2020, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2020, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 17, 2020, 08:34:05 AM
What's the chances club championships won't get finished in the current time frame?

Push the county scene back or will it all turn into a farce?

Whatever about the club scene not finishing on time, the county could be left for 2020.

In regards to Inter County all I see going ahead now is the completion of the NFL, I don't see HQ going ahead with the championship when crowds aren't allowed. Arguing over a mere 500 at games when the virus is contained kinda shows the chances of 1000s at games in October will be very slim.

it would be very hard to get thousands in and out of a stadium without congestion developing somewhere, people would act the maggot. But even if you could do this there would be crowds gathering at nearby pubs, going on buses etc. Their conduct there might not be the GAA's responsibility but the public authorities would not be keen on it. Especially if you had an big games in November/December people would not be in beer gardens and at outside tables but would be inside poorly ventilated pubs.
The virus is contained, but it has not been driven out and people are unwilling to drive it out, so there will be a price to pay in terms of no big games, no Christmas parties etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on July 17, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
I think the time for calling a halt to any 2020 plans is drawing near.  Normal life, or any semblance of it, are just not compatible with a pandemic situation.  Yes, if we had eradicated the virus from the island, and had shut down all foreign travel, both in and out, then we'd have a chance but there is no evidence the whole population are up for trying to eradicate it completely.

I see the antibody test is already out, a Belfast clinic are charing 65 pounds for the test to confirm whether a person has already had COVID-19.  Even if you have had it, there is still no confirmation as to how long immunity lasts for ... it is for weeks, months or for life ... of whether this immunity prevents you from being a carrier of it to others.

A long haul still ahead by the looks of it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
Armagh where was it ever said that it was to be driven out?
Slow the curve save the NHS was the word
The curve is flat
Why are people not grasping this part.
Out of the cases this week only 2 needed hospital treTment.
Why can't we get this across
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 17, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
I think the time for calling a halt to any 2020 plans is drawing near.  Normal life, or any semblance of it, are just not compatible with a pandemic situation.  Yes, if we had eradicated the virus from the island, and had shut down all foreign travel, both in and out, then we'd have a chance but there is no evidence the whole population are up for trying to eradicate it completely.

Travel is one thing, but people are also not willing not to have karaoke events in Limavady, and that is not the fault of foreigners.


Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
The curve is flat
Why are people not grasping this part.

Perhaps they do not grasp it because the curve is in fact rising?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on July 17, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 17, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
I think the time for calling a halt to any 2020 plans is drawing near.  Normal life, or any semblance of it, are just not compatible with a pandemic situation.  Yes, if we had eradicated the virus from the island, and had shut down all foreign travel, both in and out, then we'd have a chance but there is no evidence the whole population are up for trying to eradicate it completely.

Travel is one thing, but people are also not willing not to have karaoke events in Limavady, and that is not the fault of foreigners.


Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
The curve is flat
Why are people not grasping this part.

Perhaps they do not grasp it because the curve is in fact rising?

Correct, the Limavady cluster was not the fault of foreigners, or anyone travelling abroad, but if we get to a point where there is no virus on the island, then how can it get back onto the island without it incoming via travel.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bannside on July 17, 2020, 09:10:13 PM
60 allowed at indoor mass on Sunday but not allowed to stand 10 feet apart at a GAA match outdoors in the afternoon. Well actually they can in Lifford but not in Strabane. Tis strange times we are living in!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 17, 2020, 11:59:31 PM
Don't tell Snapchap!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 18, 2020, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 17, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 17, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
I think the time for calling a halt to any 2020 plans is drawing near.  Normal life, or any semblance of it, are just not compatible with a pandemic situation.  Yes, if we had eradicated the virus from the island, and had shut down all foreign travel, both in and out, then we'd have a chance but there is no evidence the whole population are up for trying to eradicate it completely.

Travel is one thing, but people are also not willing not to have karaoke events in Limavady, and that is not the fault of foreigners.


Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
The curve is flat
Why are people not grasping this part.

Perhaps they do not grasp it because the curve is in fact rising?

Correct, the Limavady cluster was not the fault of foreigners, or anyone travelling abroad, but if we get to a point where there is no virus on the island, then how can it get back onto the island without it incoming via travel.

Maybe someone had it but was asymptomatic to it and passed it on to one of the cluster.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on July 18, 2020, 01:51:19 PM
Or we could just go back to full normal , if we die we die , nothing is worth this lifestyle , it's prison .  How long do people think it's sustainable for , when is the line drawn ?  More to this than covid19 and I'm not bothered about been labelled a tin foil hat wan .

Is there a list of rural town businesses that have closed for good cause of covid19 restrictions?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 18, 2020, 02:07:06 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 18, 2020, 01:51:19 PM
Or we could just go back to full normal , if we die we die , nothing is worth this lifestyle , it's prison .  How long do people think it's sustainable for , when is the line drawn ?  More to this than covid19 and I'm not bothered about been labelled a tin foil hat wan .

Is there a list of rural town businesses that have closed for good cause of covid19 restrictions?

I prefer this to being dead, thanks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 18, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
Same here.
Did I hear that in Rhubarbia Balla are refusing to fulfil a fixture in Louisburg as the players have concern?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 18, 2020, 08:33:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
Same here.
Did I hear that in Rhubarbia Balla are refusing to fulfil a fixture in Louisburg as the players have concern?

Yes you are correct, it's a Louisburgh player that has the concerns so Balla refused to travel. Rightly so in my opinion.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on July 19, 2020, 10:14:09 AM
should all club championships not have been on a single elimination knockout as that would have them over in the shortest time peroid and easier to reschedule
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on July 19, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
Colm O Rourke has changed his tune, realising its causing disruption among after only a few weeks back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 19, 2020, 01:28:14 PM
Some clubs stopping all activities because of some locals getting it
Good luck if you keep doing that
Shops offices public transport work  etc doesn't shut
Being cautious and careful is one thing being over cautious is another
Club players attending parties etc are only bringing on trouble themselves
Party or play
Can't really do both at the minute
If players wanna play don't party
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2020, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 19, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
Colm O Rourke has changed his tune, realising its causing disruption among after only a few weeks back.
Indeed.
He was looing like a bull a few weeks ago for pitches to open and activities to resume.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on July 19, 2020, 02:22:40 PM
It is so weird on a Sunday in mid July to have no report from Thurles or the Hyde on the radio and no  footage on telly later in the
evening. By now we shoukd have an idea how good Kerry are and who is shaping up in the hurling.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on July 19, 2020, 02:30:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdPX9YBXYAYdYuK.jpg)

I hope this is real lol.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: SHEEDY on July 19, 2020, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 19, 2020, 02:30:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdPX9YBXYAYdYuK.jpg)

I hope this is real lol.
yeah it was at a Down Senior league game between Longstone and Castlewellan.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BenDover on July 20, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Is there many on here involved with club nurseries? How have ye handled the return to play with this group? Are parents allowed to hand around?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: BenDover on July 20, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Is there many on here involved with club nurseries? How have ye handled the return to play with this group? Are parents allowed to hand around?
They actually have to stay
They complete the health questionnaire for the child so they must accompany them onto the pitch. We get them to hold the child's bottle and stat along the fence or sideline
It's up to them to keep 2m between themselves and other parents
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on July 20, 2020, 04:36:15 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: BenDover on July 20, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Is there many on here involved with club nurseries? How have ye handled the return to play with this group? Are parents allowed to hand around?
They actually have to stay
They complete the health questionnaire for the child so they must accompany them onto the pitch. We get them to hold the child's bottle and stat along the fence or sideline
It's up to them to keep 2m between themselves and other parents

We make them sit in their cars during training. They can put the window down if it's not raining.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on July 20, 2020, 11:54:09 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 19, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
Colm O Rourke has changed his tune, realising its causing disruption among after only a few weeks back.
I can't believe Colm O'Rourke was wrong. Flabbergasted, I tells ya.

I see he's blaming "entitlement culture" now as a coping mechanism.

The so called "entitlement culture" he blames is not the one he was pushing, mind.

And down the rabbit hole we go, or rather, Colm goes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BenDover on July 21, 2020, 08:37:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 20, 2020, 04:36:15 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: BenDover on July 20, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Is there many on here involved with club nurseries? How have ye handled the return to play with this group? Are parents allowed to hand around?
They actually have to stay
They complete the health questionnaire for the child so they must accompany them onto the pitch. We get them to hold the child's bottle and stat along the fence or sideline
It's up to them to keep 2m between themselves and other parents

We make them sit in their cars during training. They can put the window down if it's not raining.
grma
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on July 21, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 20, 2020, 09:36:58 AM
First week back, some assholes just can't help themselves.
Tyrone - club allows spectators in and they start a digging match.
Armagh - Player bitten.

Are some people determined to have the whole thing scrapped again?

yes and if it is scrapped again they'll blame everyone but themselves.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LeoMc on July 21, 2020, 05:30:07 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 19, 2020, 01:28:14 PM
Some clubs stopping all activities because of some locals getting it
Good luck if you keep doing that
Shops offices public transport work  etc doesn't shut
Being cautious and careful is one thing being over cautious is another
Club players attending parties etc are only bringing on trouble themselves
Party or play
Can't really do both at the minute
If players wanna play don't party
Some clubs stopping because players have got it.

What about players who get it somewhere other than a party? Maybe their families should not party either!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on July 21, 2020, 10:50:20 PM
what sort of partying we talking about
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LeoMc on July 21, 2020, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 21, 2020, 10:50:20 PM
what sort of partying we talking about
Karaoke
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on July 22, 2020, 08:00:48 AM
Quote from: BenDover on July 20, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Is there many on here involved with club nurseries? How have ye handled the return to play with this group? Are parents allowed to hand around?

My club is quite small and we have a lot space around our pitch which is fully fenced off. We allow parent to hang around outside the fence while training is on the pitch. We have put a lot of things in place around where to park, sanistisers etc but at the end of  the day we cant force people to do what we ask. So we have taken the approach that we are giving people guidelines and asking them to follow, if they dont that is on them.

I am not looking forward to having to give out 50 tickets this weekend for a championship match.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2020, 08:06:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 22, 2020, 08:00:48 AM
Quote from: BenDover on July 20, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Is there many on here involved with club nurseries? How have ye handled the return to play with this group? Are parents allowed to hand around?

My club is quite small and we have a lot space around our pitch which is fully fenced off. We allow parent to hang around outside the fence while training is on the pitch. We have put a lot of things in place around where to park, sanistisers etc but at the end of  the day we cant force people to do what we ask. So we have taken the approach that we are giving people guidelines and asking them to follow, if they dont that is on them.

I am not looking forward to having to give out 50 tickets this weekend for a championship match.

How are ye doing it? First come first served or club input?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on July 22, 2020, 08:17:00 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2020, 08:06:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 22, 2020, 08:00:48 AM
Quote from: BenDover on July 20, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Is there many on here involved with club nurseries? How have ye handled the return to play with this group? Are parents allowed to hand around?

My club is quite small and we have a lot space around our pitch which is fully fenced off. We allow parent to hang around outside the fence while training is on the pitch. We have put a lot of things in place around where to park, sanistisers etc but at the end of  the day we cant force people to do what we ask. So we have taken the approach that we are giving people guidelines and asking them to follow, if they dont that is on them.

I am not looking forward to having to give out 50 tickets this weekend for a championship match.

How are ye doing it? First come first served or club input?

Asking people to opt in, if more than 50 we will do a draw. Other issue is kids/teens all expected to buy a ticket too if they want to be one of the 50.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Spectators in the North allowed in for tomorrow night's games.

"From Friday 24 July the following changes will take effect:

Spectators will be allowed to attend outdoor sporting venues "where the operator can control access and ensure adherence to social distancing"
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 23, 2020, 06:38:52 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Spectators in the North allowed in for tomorrow night's games.

"From Friday 24 July the following changes will take effect:

Spectators will be allowed to attend outdoor sporting venues "where the operator can control access and ensure adherence to social distancing"

Three quarters of clubs will do a good job, some won't have a crowd, but you can get that some will make a mockery of the whole thing with a load of people standing together.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 23, 2020, 06:45:10 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Spectators in the North allowed in for tomorrow night's games.

"From Friday 24 July the following changes will take effect:

Spectators will be allowed to attend outdoor sporting venues "where the operator can control access and ensure adherence to social distancing"
How many spectators allowed?

To answer my own question. It's 400 allowed. Makes little sense why the ROI counties can only have 200 at club games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 23, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 23, 2020, 06:45:10 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Spectators in the North allowed in for tomorrow night's games.

"From Friday 24 July the following changes will take effect:

Spectators will be allowed to attend outdoor sporting venues "where the operator can control access and ensure adherence to social distancing"
How many spectators allowed?

To answer my own question. It's 400 allowed. Makes little sense why the ROI counties can only have 200 at club games.

In the case of a GAA pitch the perimeter fence is 400 metres. No problem accommodating this crowd if they spread out a bit,
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on July 24, 2020, 01:41:32 AM
Travelling to away underage games ... is it correct to assume that all children from different households should travel separately to the game, or are children from different households ok to share a lift?

My view is that children from different families should travel separately but I stand to be corrected .... thoughts?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2020, 08:03:31 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 24, 2020, 01:41:32 AM
Travelling to away underage games ... is it correct to assume that all children from different households should travel separately to the game, or are children from different households ok to share a lift?

My view is that children from different families should travel separately but I stand to be corrected .... thoughts?

They are to travel separately.  This will leave it difficult for some teams to field for away games, as not ever parent will be willing to transport to away games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2020, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2020, 08:03:31 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 24, 2020, 01:41:32 AM
Travelling to away underage games ... is it correct to assume that all children from different households should travel separately to the game, or are children from different households ok to share a lift?

My view is that children from different families should travel separately but I stand to be corrected .... thoughts?

They are to travel separately.  This will leave it difficult for some teams to field for away games, as not ever parent will be willing to transport to away games.

That's true, and having to wait 45 minutes beforehand for the warm up will be an issue for some.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2020, 03:34:44 PM
Agree with Oisin McConville.

Former Armagh star has welcomed the new directive which will allow crowds of up to 400 people into GAA matches in grounds across the six northern counties.

The Northern Ireland Executive announced yesterday that from Friday, 24 July, spectators can return to outdoor sporting venues where "access can be controlled and social distancing maintained" as part of their latest rules on easing lockdown restrictions.

Speaking to RTE Sport, McConville said he would now like to see a uniformity approach, agreed by both governments, which would allow for the same numbers to attend games at GAA matches across all 32 counties.

"It's welcomed by the majority of people up here because in some of the games last week we had a lot  of people congregating in the same area trying to get a view of the game having not been allowed into the ground,"

"This is a much safer option and it's definitely welcome because there is a real hunger there for people to get back into watching the games.

"When you think of the grounds that we have nowadays, the majority of championship matches coming up will be played in big grounds and 400 in a ground is not a stretch."

He added: "Hopefully we can get to something uniform, agreed by both governments and the GAA and that's when we'd get to an acceptable point that people would be happy with."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 24, 2020, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2020, 03:34:44 PM
Agree with Oisin McConville.

Former Armagh star has welcomed the new directive which will allow crowds of up to 400 people into GAA matches in grounds across the six northern counties.

The Northern Ireland Executive announced yesterday that from Friday, 24 July, spectators can return to outdoor sporting venues where "access can be controlled and social distancing maintained" as part of their latest rules on easing lockdown restrictions.

Speaking to RTE Sport, McConville said he would now like to see a uniformity approach, agreed by both governments, which would allow for the same numbers to attend games at GAA matches across all 32 counties.

"It's welcomed by the majority of people up here because in some of the games last week we had a lot  of people congregating in the same area trying to get a view of the game having not been allowed into the ground,"

"This is a much safer option and it's definitely welcome because there is a real hunger there for people to get back into watching the games.

"When you think of the grounds that we have nowadays, the majority of championship matches coming up will be played in big grounds and 400 in a ground is not a stretch."

He added: "Hopefully we can get to something uniform, agreed by both governments and the GAA and that's when we'd get to an acceptable point that people would be happy with."

There is a strong element of laziness in the authorities approach to this. These grounds have already been certified for 10,000 plus attendances in many cases. Would it be so hard to prescribe a formula saying max crowd 400 or certified capacity/8 or some other calculation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on July 24, 2020, 06:31:52 PM
I haven't read back through this thread so sorry if this is a repeat - but Killeavy now have 5 players positive according to BBC.  If something like this happens to Dublin mid October, what happens then? 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on July 24, 2020, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on July 24, 2020, 06:31:52 PM
I haven't read back through this thread so sorry if this is a repeat - but Killeavy now have 5 players positive according to BBC.  If something like this happens to Dublin mid October, what happens then? 

They won't get 6 in a row  ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 24, 2020, 09:01:40 PM
Quote from: APM on July 24, 2020, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on July 24, 2020, 06:31:52 PM
I haven't read back through this thread so sorry if this is a repeat - but Killeavy now have 5 players positive according to BBC.  If something like this happens to Dublin mid October, what happens then? 

They won't get 6 in a row  ;D

It would depend on which 5 players they were missing, they have a bigger panel than Killeavy.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on July 25, 2020, 03:00:00 PM
Whats the story with U16's at these championahip games?

Do they pay or are they free in or is it adults only?

Do they count as part of the 250/400?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on July 25, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
I think I saw somewhere that "juveniles" and senior citizens do.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on July 25, 2020, 07:23:58 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/if-covid-shaming-becomes-the-norm-fewer-players-will-come-forward-1.4312615?mode=amp

Old Leighlin did everything correctly. They went above and beyond the GAA guidelines and squashed any chance of transmission immediately. Hayden was glued to his phone for a week, waiting on every last test result to come back before he could put out a statement saying the club was open for business again. But still, all the while, the curtains were twitching in the background.

"You're wasting your breath in a lot of cases," Hayden says. "It's not worth the effort. But you're hearing loads of stuff back that just isn't true. It went around that he was a mentor on a few underage teams and that would have implications in terms of some other clubs that we would have played but it wasn't the case.

"And then even just locally, when it came to who was a close contact, everyone seemed to be an expert on what a close contact is and who would be considered one. That started to stir up more stuff and it meant that for a few days, everyone was looking over their shoulder at anyone who was a member of our club.

"People were going, 'Are you one of them? What are you doing outside your door? What are doing going into the local shop?' That kind of stuff. We're only a very small village so you can imagine what that could do. Now, the locals were great and we were able to get on top of things quickly and they appreciated that. But it's just the unknown. And the fear."

Through it all, the club had nobody higher up in the GAA to turn to. Not at county board level and not in Croke Park. Their existence as a GAA club was the sole reason anyone heard about the positive test outside the man's family and close contacts. Yet beyond two-page guide downloadable from the GAA website, there was nowhere for Hayden to go at a time when he felt his club was under attack.

If anything, in fact, the words of GAA president John Horan that week made things worse. Within 24 hours of Old Leighlin shutting down operations, Horan was on Morning Ireland saying that players, "have got to make a clear decision. Either you party or you play sport. Sport and partying are not going to work at the moment because it's partying that has brought many of these challenges to our doors as regards to the virus."

The Old Leighlin player hadn't been to a party but without Horan making that clear, how were people to know? They were one of a tiny handful of clubs known to have a positive test in their ranks and here was the GAA's top man saying that house parties were to blame for many of the cases. Loose talk like that was always going allow people to put two and two together and if you were the five in the middle of it, you were in a lonely place.

"We were left hanging a bit," says Hayden. "That did annoy me. There was no point of contact, nobody to help with putting together a statement, nobody even to bounce things off. There were so many different opinions flying around and it would have been helpful to have somebody to call. Even just somebody to come out and say, 'Look, this club did nothing wrong.'"

Hayden is happy to say the Old Leighlin player is recovering well and will be welcomed back when he feels he's over it. He says that if there's another case, they will do exactly the same thing, even if it happens in the middle of championship. He hopes that all clubs would do the same.

Which is all very well, except you wouldn't wish the week Old Leighlin had on anybody. If Covid-shaming becomes the norm, if the stigma hangs around, if the president keeps blaming house parties, there's going to be less and less incentive for players to come forward. The worst thing that could happen is somebody hiding a positive test having seen how a club is treated.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on July 26, 2020, 01:53:36 AM
The only thing you can say is that tests must come back quickly, there is no benefit in delay.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on July 26, 2020, 09:20:13 PM
I wouldn't be a big fan of these water breaks during the game now - stops any sort of continuity in each half.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on July 26, 2020, 09:53:36 PM
Another Club in Down suspending activities, Dundrum, until August 3rd
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on July 28, 2020, 10:03:23 PM
Micheal Martin talking specifically about crowd numbers at GAA games today. Hopefully they can push the process along for increasing outdoor attendances.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 01, 2020, 06:05:12 PM
I see Ewan McKenna has a pic of Tiernan McCann on Twitter, after a Club game. It was like he was after doing 12 rounds in a boxing ring. Rough outfit in Tyrone
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mrdeeds on August 02, 2020, 01:15:18 PM
Two championship games called off in Cavan due to covid this weekend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Let me take a guess,  he got beaten up around the face?    he didn't run into the dressing room door.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Let me take a guess,  he got beaten up around the face?    he didn't run into the dressing room door.

Very Ewan like reply this.....there have been whispers he's been on this board too....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tyrone08 on August 03, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Let me take a guess,  he got beaten up around the face?    he didn't run into the dressing room door.

Very Ewan like reply this.....there have been whispers he's been on this board too....

Anyone actually know how it happened?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Let me take a guess,  he got beaten up around the face?    he didn't run into the dressing room door.

Very Ewan like reply this.....there have been whispers he's been on this board too....
Is that a reply?   ;D you're some moron!
So you haven't a clue how "touch my hair and  I'll dive as if shot"  managed to get his face beaten to a pulp?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 03, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

I bet he'll empty the dishwasher next time he's asked!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on August 03, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
mckenna is right maybe its time for authority to attend gaa matches if stuff like this goes down maybe they intervene immediately
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on August 03, 2020, 07:14:06 PM
its rampant in gaa and even soccer aswell
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 03, 2020, 07:14:06 PM
its rampant in gaa and even soccer aswell

What is?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Let me take a guess,  he got beaten up around the face?    he didn't run into the dressing room door.

Very Ewan like reply this.....there have been whispers he's been on this board too....
Is that a reply?   ;D you're some moron!
So you haven't a clue how "touch my hair and  I'll dive as if shot"  managed to get his face beaten to a pulp?

Do you know what happened?

Were you at the game?

Have you just seen this pic that clown McKenna tweeted and thought...I'll hop on the train here?

Maybe he was blocked in Omagh after the game and fell...Maybe he was out in Omagh and got a slap?

Point is, you have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about....which is fairly in tune with the rest of your posts here I suppose.

Not even from Tyrone but in another Ewan-like trait, you have "sources"?

Someone is a moron here alright.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tonto1888 on August 03, 2020, 08:23:44 PM
Does anyone know what did actually happen?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on August 06, 2020, 01:51:43 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Let me take a guess,  he got beaten up around the face?    he didn't run into the dressing room door.

Very Ewan like reply this.....there have been whispers he's been on this board too....
Is that a reply?   ;D you're some moron!
So you haven't a clue how "touch my hair and  I'll dive as if shot"  managed to get his face beaten to a pulp?

Do you know what happened?

Were you at the game?

Have you just seen this pic that clown McKenna tweeted and thought...I'll hop on the train here?

Maybe he was blocked in Omagh after the game and fell...Maybe he was out in Omagh and got a slap?

Point is, you have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about....which is fairly in tune with the rest of your posts here I suppose.

Not even from Tyrone but in another Ewan-like trait, you have "sources"?

Someone is a moron here alright.
Point is you're a moron.
I havent  claimed anything, if you actually read what I wrote you might have seen that. Perhaps you took the baseball bat quip  a bit too serious and the Tyrone  persecution complex took over and turned it into something else.
Who knows, who can tell, some Tyronies are beyond rational scrutiny.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 06, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 06, 2020, 01:51:43 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 03, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 03, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 01, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
He definitely got more than his hair ruffled
It's no joke this time,  probably it's time to consider banning baseball bats from Tyrone GAA club games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeU03uLWAAAx9T3?format=jpg&name=small)

See this is the problem with the internet....

Do you actually know what happened here?
Let me take a guess,  he got beaten up around the face?    he didn't run into the dressing room door.

Very Ewan like reply this.....there have been whispers he's been on this board too....
Is that a reply?   ;D you're some moron!
So you haven't a clue how "touch my hair and  I'll dive as if shot"  managed to get his face beaten to a pulp?

Do you know what happened?

Were you at the game?

Have you just seen this pic that clown McKenna tweeted and thought...I'll hop on the train here?

Maybe he was blocked in Omagh after the game and fell...Maybe he was out in Omagh and got a slap?

Point is, you have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about....which is fairly in tune with the rest of your posts here I suppose.

Not even from Tyrone but in another Ewan-like trait, you have "sources"?

Someone is a moron here alright.
Point is you're a moron.
I havent  claimed anything, if you actually read what I wrote you might have seen that. Perhaps you took the baseball bat quip  a bit too serious and the Tyrone  persecution complex took over and turned it into something else.
Who knows, who can tell, some Tyronies are beyond rational scrutiny.

Your words, word for word....

"So you haven't a clue how "touch my hair and  I'll dive as if shot"  managed to get his face beaten to a pulp?"

There is a few claims in there, that's just one sentence.

Strange.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 07, 2020, 09:00:27 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0806/1157757-zero-chance-of-inter-county-gaa-on-current-trend/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 01:54:47 PM
All the GAA clubs (assume social side) are closed with immediate effect!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 02:29:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 01:54:47 PM
All the GAA clubs (assume social side) are closed with immediate effect!
??

We've closed the bar, I'm assuming this is across the board?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 02:29:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 01:54:47 PM
All the GAA clubs (assume social side) are closed with immediate effect!
??

We've closed the bar, I'm assuming this is across the board?
How were you allowed to open? Doing food or what? I thought "wet" bars weren't meant to open until Monday (which is now scrapped again).

We've always had a kitchen, been serving food for years, burgers chips stew
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 03:00:21 PM
Not sure but but Ulster council has brought this about and we certainly are not the only ones...

Plenty clubs have working kitchens I'm sure which were able to open, providing you can provide food.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 03:00:21 PM
Not sure but but Ulster council has brought this about and we certainly are not the only ones...

Plenty clubs have working kitchens I'm sure which were able to open, providing you can provide food.
I get that but I can't seem to find anything on it. Usually there would be a statement on Ulster GAA social media or something.

Just seen it on our fb page, stating following recent guidance from Ulster council..

Maybe it's guidance only going out to clubs which opened that could..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on August 07, 2020, 07:29:27 PM
would the idea of a tournament type thing be viable in ireland 32 teams open draw knockout games being played at 5pm and 8pm put them into a bubble like us sports as soon as your teams out you go home all ireland could be finished in about 2 or 3 weeks
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2020, 07:58:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 03:00:21 PM
Not sure but but Ulster council has brought this about and we certainly are not the only ones...

Plenty clubs have working kitchens I'm sure which were able to open, providing you can provide food.
I get that but I can't seem to find anything on it. Usually there would be a statement on Ulster GAA social media or something.

Just seen it on our fb page, stating following recent guidance from Ulster council..

Maybe it's guidance only going out to clubs which opened that could..

Could you do a bit of digging on that one for us MR2 ie where they picked this information up? I'd like to be sure my own club.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 10:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 09:43:10 PM
I've asked about among people involved in a few clubs that are open. Nobody has heard a thing about it.

O'ds closed and only the outside part open
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on August 07, 2020, 11:14:48 PM
Hello.
Does anyone know the exact rules about GAA social clubs opening or closing? Has the GAA told them to close?
Is there a written diktat somewhere? Can someone out it up here or a link?
What does serving food mean? Are bowls of stew or Dinny Cahill's hamburgers considered as serving food?
Can anyone provide clarity?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on August 07, 2020, 11:32:44 PM
If you're serving bowls of stew just to get a social club open there's something seriously wrong.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 10:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 09:43:10 PM
I've asked about among people involved in a few clubs that are open. Nobody has heard a thing about it.

O'ds closed and only the outside part open
Their social club is closed?

Indoors
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2020, 12:05:41 AM
I'm guessing the clubs have made a decision by themselves based guidance rather than a directive from Ulster council
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on August 08, 2020, 12:39:13 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 11:39:17 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 07, 2020, 11:32:44 PM
If you're serving bowls of stew just to get a social club open there's something seriously wrong.
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that some clubs depend on their social club income. Especially in days where they aren't getting their normal gate money and as far as I'm aware there hasn't been a reduction or return of affiliation fees from the GAA?

Like everything else, clubs will do what they can to keep going.

Possible but not probable. Don't buy it. Clubs aren't going to 'go under'. Most county boards will have given a reprise in fees, reduced or delayed or both.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: delgany on August 08, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Ulster GAA/Antrim GAA Directive to all club committees

Social Clubs
Advice from Ulster Council is that 99% of our social clubs should not be open as they operate as effective wet houses and not restaurant style operations, I have heard numerous stories of how clubs think they can circumvent guidelines and legislation , so things to consider if wishing to open a bar.

Does your club have adequate facilities with hygiene clearance to adhere to legislation if providing food?


If providing an outdoor beer garden , do you have table service in place, has outdoor beer garden been passed for insurance and meeting council legislation?


Is your social club operating a members only policy and are you logging time and date members enter and exit social club?

 
Financial viability of opening a social club in this climate, ,(without functions that are not allowed) is very limited , margins are low in social clubs added to this additional staff costs due to waitering service and extra hygiene costs , ask yourself would your social club actually make money in this current climate or is opening your social club actually costing your club money to stay open, I have heard stories of the bar gives us cash flow, Turnover is a lot difference than profit, running a social club to get turnover while it is loosing money is economic madness and no committee should allow this to happen.

Club Shops

Shops can open if you can implement safe guards,
If opening club shop to sell club gear, this can be organised for collection in a timely manner.


If wanting to open shop to sell tea/coffee etc at matches, the reality is you are attracting up to 400 people to one point at a pressure period of time, rush hour is half time, realistically social distancing at our club tea shops is unrealistic as most of them work out of a small container with a hatch or door, I seen one club trying their best , where a person buys cup of tea and then goes to a separate table to put in milk and sugar, but remember all people who bought a cup of tea went to that table and lifted the milk etc , so unless you are 100% sure that you can implement hygiene controls , I would ask you to keep shop shut during matches as precautionary measure .

 

Changing Rooms/Hall

All indoor facilities are closed except toilets if you have no other toilet options , so no changing in halls , no letting your hall out to five a side , no using hall as it was raining on a training day.

If a club uses indoor facilitates and they have a Covid issue , if a player etc tests positive and has been found to have been indoors in one of our clubs , .i.e. at video analyses or team meeting, this will be judged as close contact by public health authorities and club is a risk of being shut down and being removed from participation in all games and training, per Croke Park advice , Covid is 19 times more likely to spread if indoor usage of clubs, that is why they have closed indoor facilities.


Conclusion

Ask yourself do you or another club executive member want to explain to the press and local community or maybe even a judge , why due to flouting guidance your club is the centre of a Covid outbreak in your community, even worse do you want to have to attend a wake to apologise on behalf of club for being the source of a Covid outbreak that caused someone to die ?

 

During the eye of the storm when the country was in the Bhearna Bhaoil , CLG stood up and was counted, we seen all that is good about our association, so while we lobbied hard to get our youth back playing games with limited supporters, we agreed to act in a responsible manner, we are not a business , we are not a social club confederation , we are the GAA, who are held in high esteem within our communities , so please remember who you are and what you represent and help keep your community safe, keep up the good work and enjoy your games.

 County chair

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on August 08, 2020, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: delgany on August 08, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Ulster GAA/Antrim GAA Directive to all club committees

Social Clubs
Advice from Ulster Council is that 99% of our social clubs should not be open as they operate as effective wet houses and not restaurant style operations, I have heard numerous stories of how clubs think they can circumvent guidelines and legislation , so things to consider if wishing to open a bar.

Does your club have adequate facilities with hygiene clearance to adhere to legislation if providing food?


If providing an outdoor beer garden , do you have table service in place, has outdoor beer garden been passed for insurance and meeting council legislation?


Is your social club operating a members only policy and are you logging time and date members enter and exit social club?


Financial viability of opening a social club in this climate, ,(without functions that are not allowed) is very limited , margins are low in social clubs added to this additional staff costs due to waitering service and extra hygiene costs , ask yourself would your social club actually make money in this current climate or is opening your social club actually costing your club money to stay open, I have heard stories of the bar gives us cash flow, Turnover is a lot difference than profit, running a social club to get turnover while it is loosing money is economic madness and no committee should allow this to happen.



County chair

Well done delgany. Some clarity.


Quote from: delgany on August 08, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Ulster GAA/Antrim GAA Directive


we seen all that is good about our association,

County chair


Liked this bit. A hidden code so everyone knows it is genuine and local.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Impossible to argue with any of those points raised.. while it's not 'law' as such the points are very valid
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 08, 2020, 02:18:36 PM
Thanks MR2. Glad to see we comply with all the guidance, by accident or design.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2020, 09:44:51 AM
Any sign of the GAA coming out and giving a definitive response as to whether the inter-county scene will be going ahead? We're in the second half of August now and if they're waiting for the outdoor activities to have crowds of over a certain limit?

I can't see the crowds for outdoor activities being raised over 1,000 any time soon. We'll be lucky if 500 is the maximum limit at all with the way things are going. I hope I'm wrong on this though obviously.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2020, 09:44:51 AM
Any sign of the GAA coming out and giving a definitive response as to whether the inter-county scene will be going ahead? We're in the second half of August now and if they're waiting for the outdoor activities to have crowds of over a certain limit?

I can't see the crowds for outdoor activities being raised over 1,000 any time soon. We'll be lucky if 500 is the maximum limit at all with the way things are going. I hope I'm wrong on this though obviously.

I'm confused.

If it's in the calendar, why wouldn't the county season be going ahead?

What use is another statement now, when government policy could change 3 times best wren now and the first throw in?

Gaa top brass are sports administrators, not soothsayers.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:42:08 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
If it's in the calendar, why wouldn't the county season be going ahead?

Who is going to pay for it? When the request comes around to Ballyholland for funds will you be going around collecting?
In a usual season a mainstream Ulster championship game would bring in in €200,000+, to say nothing of the revenues from later rounds.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:42:08 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
If it's in the calendar, why wouldn't the county season be going ahead?

Who is going to pay for it? When the request comes around to Ballyholland for funds will you be going around collecting?
In a usual season a mainstream Ulster championship game would bring in in €200,000+, to say nothing of the revenues from later rounds.

Apart from meals after matches, I'm not sure why it would cost much more to run a county team than a club team this season. Most counties will have a training and match day season of 8 weeks or fewer. Those that get past that stage will surely get a tv money allowance.




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2020, 09:44:51 AM
Any sign of the GAA coming out and giving a definitive response as to whether the inter-county scene will be going ahead? We're in the second half of August now and if they're waiting for the outdoor activities to have crowds of over a certain limit?

I can't see the crowds for outdoor activities being raised over 1,000 any time soon. We'll be lucky if 500 is the maximum limit at all with the way things are going. I hope I'm wrong on this though obviously.

I'm confused.

If it's in the calendar, why wouldn't the county season be going ahead?

What use is another statement now, when government policy could change 3 times best wren now and the first throw in?

Gaa top brass are sports administrators, not soothsayers.

Though there are genuine concerns regarding an Intercounty season going ahead, either due to risk of infection , or financial viability, any decision should not be rushed. Though it seems very unlikely that there will be any reassurance regarding the infectivity and effects of the virus before 2021, the GAA has time between now and start of intercounty training to make a measured decision . Those that would rush to shut up shop, should remember that cancelling, closure and lockdown also has an effect on health and welfare.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:22:51 AM
With the small attendances (100 paying "customers" in the 26) Co Boards will be lucky to get 10% of normal Club Championships income this year.
There will be little or no €€€€ for preparing County Senior and Minor teams.
Then if the County games go ahead with no more than 500 (about 350 "customers") they will cost the Provincial and Central Councils a fortune and again no income.
Then more importantly there will likely be some squads having to stand down or isolate due to positive tests/contacts.
Will everyone wait for them ir will they have to concede walkovers?
Will all or many Club Championships get completed before 17th October?
I will be surprised if there are inter County games this Autumn/Winter.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 17, 2020, 12:46:18 PM
They are having the meeting on Wednesday about the structure of County and Club in the future.  February to July being mentioned for County, rest of the year for Club.
Took a pandemic to look into something which could have been done a long time ago.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 12:57:45 PM
Every pundit is now proclaiming that a split season...5 months inter County and 5 months Club.. is the way to go.
Nobody mentioning downsides if any?
Are there downsides and what might they be?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
The only downside I've noted from an earlier discussion is that every other year the business end of the Championship is going to clash with the World Cup or the Euros, and inevitably a major GAA game will have to go head to head with an Ireland soccer match.

Someone else was worried that this will make it easier for players to go the USA for the summer. He actually seemed to prefer a disjointed seasons as it means Johnny-don't-much-for-club-ball might be available for a couple more club games.


But as long as county boards have the stones / will to strictly close county training for the best part of 6 months a year, this will likely be an amazing boon for the association.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 12:57:45 PM
Every pundit is now proclaiming that a split season...5 months inter County and 5 months Club.. is the way to go.
Nobody mentioning downsides if any?
Are there downsides and what might they be?

1 potential downside is the loss of the extended marketing Exposure and income generation of a long Intercounty season. However international rugby doesn't seem to suffer from a short season, and top end club football has an attraction of its own .
If properly organised and marketed ,a compact Intercounty season could actually increase gate and sponsorship revenue whilst reducing costs.
I genuinely don't think there are any major downsides to a compact Intercounty season for The GAA, or supporters or players.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 04:09:36 PM
The organising/marketing at present is a set up where Counties play 9 or 10 (relatively) unimportant games in the muck of January to March with limited public interest.
Then most Counties play on average 3 games in the Summer where only some Provincial and the closing stages if the AI generate much public interest.
By public interest I mean the non diehard types who like all sports and who we tempt into a few big games each Summer.
A well organised shorter more intense County season with most games relevant/important would indeed likely generate more public interest and €€€€€.

But are we going to have Club players idle 7 months a year?
Be a great boon for Soccerball and ruggerball?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 17, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
What would happen if there's a lockdown in certain counties as that county is to play in the championship?

Say Kildare have to travel to Louth, how does that work? Lately, Kildare people weren't allowed to leave the county? Can the Kildare team travel outside for a match?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smort on August 17, 2020, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 04:09:36 PM
The organising/marketing at present is a set up where Counties play 9 or 10 (relatively) unimportant games in the muck of January to March with limited public interest.
Then most Counties play on average 3 games in the Summer where only some Provincial and the closing stages if the AI generate much public interest.
By public interest I mean the non diehard types who like all sports and who we tempt into a few big games each Summer.
A well organised shorter more intense County season with most games relevant/important would indeed likely generate more public interest and €€€€€.

But are we going to have Club players idle 7 months a year?
Be a great boon for Soccerball and ruggerball?

Maybe regional or provincial preseason club leagues, as the intercounty season is coming to an end. Any sanctions from these games to relate to club championship to keep discipline in check
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 04:09:36 PM
The organising/marketing at present is a set up where Counties play 9 or 10 (relatively) unimportant games in the muck of January to March with limited public interest.
Then most Counties play on average 3 games in the Summer where only some Provincial and the closing stages if the AI generate much public interest.
By public interest I mean the non diehard types who like all sports and who we tempt into a few big games each Summer.
A well organised shorter more intense County season with most games relevant/important would indeed likely generate more public interest and €€€€€.

But are we going to have Club players idle 7 months a year?
Be a great boon for Soccerball and ruggerball?
The success of this is totally contingent on a "starred" club season, when pre-season and matches go ahead without county players. This keeps all players active and allows clubs to give "fringe" players an opportunity to play for their senior club team and stake a claim for a place when county men return. This already happens successfully in provincial and international rugby.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
What would happen if there's a lockdown in certain counties as that county is to play in the championship?

Say Kildare have to travel to Louth, how does that work? Lately, Kildare people weren't allowed to leave the county? Can the Kildare team travel outside for a match?

If Down people are not allowed go to Armagh will they be able to use Pairc Esler?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 17, 2020, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
What would happen if there's a lockdown in certain counties as that county is to play in the championship?

Say Kildare have to travel to Louth, how does that work? Lately, Kildare people weren't allowed to leave the county? Can the Kildare team travel outside for a match?

If Down people are not allowed go to Armagh will they be able to use Pairc Esler?

The whole Down team will have to stay inside the Down half of the Pairc Esler pitch. They can't venture beyond their own '50.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 05:24:59 PM
Sounds like a typical modern football game!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Targetman on August 17, 2020, 09:05:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2020, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
What would happen if there's a lockdown in certain counties as that county is to play in the championship?

Say Kildare have to travel to Louth, how does that work? Lately, Kildare people weren't allowed to leave the county? Can the Kildare team travel outside for a match?

If Down people are not allowed go to Armagh will they be able to use Pairc Esler?

The whole Down team will have to stay inside the Down half of the Pairc Esler pitch. They can't venture beyond their own '50.
FFS they've been doing that this 3/4 years
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
Hmmmmm....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40033820.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 18, 2020, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
Hmmmmm....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40033820.html

Are the GAA finances being mis-managed?

How can they need financial assistance when a season is only a few months and what financial assistance could they need.

I mean how much does it really cost to run the games this season (assume TV money will still come in)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
Central GAA gives 84% back to its units and doesn't have reserves.
It's had to cut pay to all its employees.
It won't be able to pay the bills this year.
Media and sponsorship of the AI Championships might get the annual bills paid.
The Provincial Councils' main source of income are the Provincial Championships.
Most Co Boards are in effect getting no income from their Co Chamoionships and most of them have debts.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 18, 2020, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
Hmmmmm....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40033820.html

Are the GAA finances being mis-managed?

How can they need financial assistance when a season is only a few months and what financial assistance could they need.

I mean how much does it really cost to run the games this season (assume TV money will still come in)

Gate revenue last year was €36 million. You can't just take that out and not have a financial crisis as most costs still remain. TV money is a fixed contract, in theory you could have more TV since it wouldn't affect gate revenues but can this be negotiated?
County teams cost a bit less to run than last year, but not that much. There could be extra costs; can you have a bus going to games, can players carpool going to training?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Hopefully not true.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159815-covid-19-blog/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 03:36:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Hopefully not true.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159815-covid-19-blog/
The reality is that if the Government is telling us it's not safe to have 50 people at a club GAA match or a League of Ireland match, they can't turn around and tell us it's safe to go into Penney's
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 18, 2020, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Hopefully not true.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159815-covid-19-blog/

A ridiculous decision. This new government has lost the plot already.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 04:04:07 PM
Sports events to be held without spectators. That is ridiculous. The outdoors is the safest place you could be. They should be opening sports up to more not less.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: MayoBuck on August 18, 2020, 04:09:09 PM
Crazy decision. It will result in more house parties at the weekend now that this social opportunity is closed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 18, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
Is it just me that is confused here.

Are the Government saying it is safer to be in a pub eating a plate of chicken wings and drinking for a couple of hours than standing in the open air watching a sporting event?

Like seriously - who comes up with these changes.

Maybe I am being to simplistic
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 04:22:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 03:36:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Hopefully not true.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159815-covid-19-blog/
The reality is that if the Government is telling us it's not safe to have 50 people at a club GAA match or a League of Ireland match, they can't turn around and tell us it's safe to go into Penney's
Do people in Penneys spend an hour and a half sitting beside each other shouting?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 04:28:50 PM
It is complete double standards for shops / bars / restaurants etc etc plus this is outdoors vs not being indoors. It only makes sense if they're pretty much shutting everything to crowds again but they're not. It's a knee jerk decision.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: joemamas on August 18, 2020, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 18, 2020, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Hopefully not true.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159815-covid-19-blog/

A ridiculous decision. This new government has lost the plot already.

A crazy and stupid party in Temple Bar in March highlighted on social media was main catalyst for the closing of all the Pubs in rural Ireland,  At the time, it was totally understandable given there was no way to control Covid or how to contain it. Everyone respected that decision and abided by it.

Fast forward six months, some clown in a bar/restaurant in Dublin, pouring shots of booze in to customers.
Time to shut down all the rural pubs again as they are the cause of this behavior.
Oh wait, I forgot, they never were allowed to reopen.
Where your average customer aged 40-75 might have three or four pints and go home.
Thousands of livelehoods impacted.
House parties by young people have replaced them in almost all rural towns.
Obviously this is safer.

Government response, no spectators at sporting events. Even 200 where capacity is 2000.
IMO  "one rule for all of Ireland, just lazy and daft.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 04:22:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 03:36:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Hopefully not true.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159815-covid-19-blog/
The reality is that if the Government is telling us it's not safe to have 50 people at a club GAA match or a League of Ireland match, they can't turn around and tell us it's safe to go into Penney's
Do people in Penneys spend an hour and a half sitting beside each other shouting?
Some people will do anything for a bargain!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on August 18, 2020, 04:37:51 PM
Surely makes the 2020 AI highly unlikely now?

It's meant to get underway in 2 months roughly.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
It's absolutely insane.

It was going to take some effort to top last week's decision to quarantine people based on county lines, but they're managing it somehow.

We have an increasingly bored and frustrated population. Preventing those people from standing well spaced apart in open environments is mentalshitbaskets.

Anyone know if this applies to juvenile football matches too? Or do we have to force parents to sit outside grounds in their cars when waiting for their children?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 18, 2020, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 18, 2020, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 18, 2020, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Hopefully not true.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159815-covid-19-blog/

A ridiculous decision. This new government has lost the plot already.

A crazy and stupid party in Temple Bar in March highlighted on social media was main catalyst for the closing of all the Pubs in rural Ireland,  At the time, it was totally understandable given there was no way to control Covid or how to contain it. Everyone respected that decision and abided by it.

Fast forward six months, some clown in a bar/restaurant in Dublin, pouring shots of booze in to customers.
Time to shut down all the rural pubs again as they are the cause of this behavior.
Oh wait, I forgot, they never were allowed to reopen.
Where your average customer aged 40-75 might have three or four pints and go home.
Thousands of livelehoods impacted.
House parties by young people have replaced them in almost all rural towns.
Obviously this is safer.


Government response, no spectators at sporting events. Even 200 where capacity is 2000.
IMO  "one rule for all of Ireland, just lazy and daft.

If there was as many house parties as we are led to believe the country would be absolutely rife.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Covid is on the rise again looking for hosts.  There's any amount of pictures of spectators standing side by side at games and not wearing masks.  Can't see why the Government are getting the blame?  This is a lever they could pull to try and slow up a rising spread.  A surge into the Autumn is a very real possibility so the sacrifices have to continue unfortunately.  If it's inconsistent, then the other problems should be tackled as well.  As a GAA Board most of the comments will probably lash out at this through frustration, but sadly we're being asked to suck it up for the bigger picture.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on August 18, 2020, 05:18:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
It's absolutely insane.

It was going to take some effort to top last week's decision to quarantine people based on county lines, but they're managing it somehow.

We have an increasingly bored and frustrated population. Preventing those people from standing well spaced apart in open environments is mentalshitbaskets.

Anyone know if this applies to juvenile football matches too? Or do we have to force parents to sit outside grounds in their cars when waiting for their children?

How spaced apart people are during game time only gets you so far.

Also how far apart people could be and how far apart they actually are,  are 2 completely different things.

Anyway we will no doubt be inundated with posters demanding the same rules to applied in the north?? 32 county organisation, can't have 2 different rules, viruses don't recognise borders blah de blah de blah
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Covid is on the rise again looking for hosts.  There's any amount of pictures of spectators standing side by side at games and not wearing masks.  Can't see why the Government are getting the blame?  This is a lever they could pull to try and slow up a rising spread.  A surge into the Autumn is a very real possibility so the sacrifices have to continue unfortunately.  If it's inconsistent, then the other problems should be tackled as well.  As a GAA Board most of the comments will probably lash out at this through frustration, but sadly we're being asked to suck it up for the bigger picture.

They're standing outside in the open air.

They've a greater chance of getting hit by a falling meteorite than catching corona in these circumstances.

It's unbelievable nanny state horseshit.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Covid is on the rise again looking for hosts.  There's any amount of pictures of spectators standing side by side at games and not wearing masks.  Can't see why the Government are getting the blame?  This is a lever they could pull to try and slow up a rising spread.  A surge into the Autumn is a very real possibility so the sacrifices have to continue unfortunately.  If it's inconsistent, then the other problems should be tackled as well.  As a GAA Board most of the comments will probably lash out at this through frustration, but sadly we're being asked to suck it up for the bigger picture.

They're standing outside in the open air.

They've a greater chance of getting hit by a falling meteorite than catching corona in these circumstances.

It's unbelievable nanny state horseshit.
Really, "more chance of being hit by a meteorite".  Do you want to stand over that?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
I suspect Wobbler may have been hit on the head by a meteorite when he was a baby ::)
The way numbers are rising in the 6 I expect some tightening up on numbers to come from the Executive too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 18, 2020, 05:44:18 PM
A know a number of positive tests from the last 48hrs wasn't included in last two days reported cases. I'd bet big numbers announced this evening coinciding with these new measures.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:48:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
I suspect Wobbler may have been hit on the head by a meteorite when he was a baby ::)
The way numbers are rising in the 6 I expect some tightening up on numbers to come from the Executive too.

And i suspect that if tens of thousands of people from everywhere can gather on English beaches and protest together in English cities for hours on end, without any tangible increase, then 200 Irish locals gathering outside for 2 hours isn't even going to register a blip.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Covid is on the rise again looking for hosts.  There's any amount of pictures of spectators standing side by side at games and not wearing masks.  Can't see why the Government are getting the blame?  This is a lever they could pull to try and slow up a rising spread.  A surge into the Autumn is a very real possibility so the sacrifices have to continue unfortunately.  If it's inconsistent, then the other problems should be tackled as well.  As a GAA Board most of the comments will probably lash out at this through frustration, but sadly we're being asked to suck it up for the bigger picture.

Totally agreed. Lots of people clearly don't give a flying f**k. Well, suck it up. You've only yourselves to blame! And thanks to dickheads not giving a f**k, we all suffer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: maccer on August 18, 2020, 05:48:53 PM
Not blaming anybody but just wonder did the crowd at the Kilcoo Mayobridge game last Fri all seemingly sitting on top of each other in the middle of the stand set off alarm bells in some quarters. Thought watching it at the time that it was going to cause some reaction
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 18, 2020, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 18, 2020, 04:37:51 PM
Surely makes the 2020 AI highly unlikely now?

It's meant to get underway in 2 months roughly.

It bites the dust and counties will do well to finish their club championships with this nonsense.  Martin and Donnelly are clueless
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: maccer on August 18, 2020, 05:48:53 PM
Not blaming anybody but just wonder did the crowd at the Kilcoo Mayobridge game last Fri all seemingly sitting on top of each other in the middle of the stand set off alarm bells in some quarters. Thought watching it at the time that it was going to cause some reaction

I couldn't believe it when I seen that. I had to rewind and pause to realise what I was witnessing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 18, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Covid is on the rise again looking for hosts.  There's any amount of pictures of spectators standing side by side at games and not wearing masks.  Can't see why the Government are getting the blame?  This is a lever they could pull to try and slow up a rising spread.  A surge into the Autumn is a very real possibility so the sacrifices have to continue unfortunately.  If it's inconsistent, then the other problems should be tackled as well.  As a GAA Board most of the comments will probably lash out at this through frustration, but sadly we're being asked to suck it up for the bigger picture.

It's on the rise again mainly because of indoor cluster settings. If a number of cases tracked back to GAA outdoor games I could understand this decision
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: maccer on August 18, 2020, 05:48:53 PM
Not blaming anybody but just wonder did the crowd at the Kilcoo Mayobridge game last Fri all seemingly sitting on top of each other in the middle of the stand set off alarm bells in some quarters. Thought watching it at the time that it was going to cause some reaction

I couldn't believe it when I seen that. I had to rewind and pause to realise what I was witnessing.

You've a bit of a conundrum here.

On one hand you've got members of a close knit community sitting together for an hour and a half, and it disturbs you.

On the other hand you've got men from unrelated communities spending an hour hugging each other. As I'm sure you know, that's the players.


In both cases it's casual contact. If you're exposing one as a problem while advocating the other then you need to have a look at yourself.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: maccer on August 18, 2020, 05:48:53 PM
Not blaming anybody but just wonder did the crowd at the Kilcoo Mayobridge game last Fri all seemingly sitting on top of each other in the middle of the stand set off alarm bells in some quarters. Thought watching it at the time that it was going to cause some reaction

I couldn't believe it when I seen that. I had to rewind and pause to realise what I was witnessing.

You've a bit of a conundrum here.

On one hand you've got members of a close knit community sitting together for an hour and a half, and it disturbs you.

On the other hand you've got men from unrelated communities spending an hour hugging each other. As I'm sure you know, that's the players.


In both cases it's casual contact. If you're exposing one as a problem while advocating the other then you need to have a look at yourself.

I'm not advocating the other. Of course there's a risk with matches, but I assume there is adequate testing/temperature taken with players.

As for close knit community, I live in one too. But I'm not going to sit on my next door neighbours knee. Just because they are a small community, doesn't mean none of them have the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 06:18:39 PM
Players aren't temperature tested unless they're doing it themselves.

With the limited numbers at recent matches, and only two avenues to purchase tickets, it's as easy to track and trace spectators as players.

——

You don't have to sit on your neighbour's knee. But when there is a group of neighbours who are socially integrated, then I honestly believe you should be happier that if they must meet and talk, then they're doing so in a closed-numbers open air environment (than just about anywhere else).

Take away match attendance and you don't take away that social integration.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 18, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Covid is on the rise again looking for hosts.  There's any amount of pictures of spectators standing side by side at games and not wearing masks.  Can't see why the Government are getting the blame?  This is a lever they could pull to try and slow up a rising spread.  A surge into the Autumn is a very real possibility so the sacrifices have to continue unfortunately.  If it's inconsistent, then the other problems should be tackled as well.  As a GAA Board most of the comments will probably lash out at this through frustration, but sadly we're being asked to suck it up for the bigger picture.

It's on the rise again mainly because of indoor cluster settings. If a number of cases tracked back to GAA outdoor games I could understand this decision

To me this is not an informed decision at all. It's a panic decision. The players are in closer contact than the spectators are likely to be.

I get we need to get rid of this virus - well manage it as getting rid of it looks nigh on impossible- but this is not the way to do it at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 06:45:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
On one hand you've got members of a close knit community sitting together for an hour and a half, and it disturbs you.

Close knit or not,  each household should be sitting apart and in some of these games people did not do this. A small number were let in and they couldn't manage to behave responsibly so we are where we are.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 18, 2020, 06:46:43 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 18, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 18, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Covid is on the rise again looking for hosts.  There's any amount of pictures of spectators standing side by side at games and not wearing masks.  Can't see why the Government are getting the blame?  This is a lever they could pull to try and slow up a rising spread.  A surge into the Autumn is a very real possibility so the sacrifices have to continue unfortunately.  If it's inconsistent, then the other problems should be tackled as well.  As a GAA Board most of the comments will probably lash out at this through frustration, but sadly we're being asked to suck it up for the bigger picture.

It's on the rise again mainly because of indoor cluster settings. If a number of cases tracked back to GAA outdoor games I could understand this decision

To me this is not an informed decision at all. It's a panic decision. The players are in closer contact than the spectators are likely to be.

I get we need to get rid of this virus - well manage it as getting rid of it looks nigh on impossible- but this is not the way to do it at all.

That was asked of a few moments ago and a lame ass excuse about car pooling again. A number of back log cases conveniently added in today to run with the new measurements in place. The last 24hrs had 31 positive tests
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 07:23:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 06:45:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
On one hand you've got members of a close knit community sitting together for an hour and a half, and it disturbs you.

Close knit or not,  each household should be sitting apart and in some of these games people did not do this. A small number were let in and they couldn't manage to behave responsibly so we are where we are.

+1
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ONeill on August 18, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
The Kilcoo knee-sitters.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Nanderson on August 18, 2020, 09:22:06 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

The GAA aren't too happy with the government it seems with these new restrictions. Lot of anger on twitter with people rightly pointing out how much GAA folk have put into following the rules and guidelines as best they can yet others outside of the association can flaunt the rules but yet it is us who get punished
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:25:38 PM
It is ridiculous to be honest. There's just no need for it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 18, 2020, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 18, 2020, 09:22:06 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

The GAA aren't too happy with the government it seems with these new restrictions. Lot of anger on twitter with people rightly pointing out how much GAA folk have put into following the rules and guidelines as best they can yet others outside of the association can flaunt the rules but yet it is us who get punished

The anger well founded. GAA used as a scapegoat.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on August 18, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Can't go to a game but can go to the local and watch the live stream. Yes i know which would be safer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 09:36:15 PM
I'm happier now knowing the GAA are ready to fight back.

People have been asking me since we reopened when they could back in the gym, and when the they could have a drink indoors, and telling me that it's insane that changing rooms and meeting rooms aren't allowed. I've been suggesting that this is what will keep us open.

Between forcing activities to take place only outdoors, and in putting in place genuine track and trace measures, the GAA have played an absolute blinder.

Yet we are being punished.

It's wrong on so, so many counts.

Absolute inept by the government.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 18, 2020, 09:22:06 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

The GAA aren't too happy with the government it seems with these new restrictions. Lot of anger on twitter with people rightly pointing out how much GAA folk have put into following the rules and guidelines as best they can yet others outside of the association can flaunt the rules but yet it is us who get punished

Yes, clubs/stewards have done as much as they can, but a lot of fans clearly haven't followed guidelines. A lot of them are on top of each other at matches.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Square Ball on August 18, 2020, 09:41:48 PM
So, will Swan follow the same route on Thursday?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 18, 2020, 09:45:32 PM
This new government announcement is idiotic, is inconsistent and illogical. Hard to know what to say.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on August 18, 2020, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Yeah, it's a crazy direction we are going. I just don't like a rule that stops small attendances at underage matches. We had a match this evening with maybe 20 or thirty parents/siblings in attendance. They were well spaced out.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Do you honestly not believe there is a happy medium can be reached in an 18k stadium for a club match? You looking a return to full lockdown or what's your issue here?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 10:05:48 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 18, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Can't go to a game but can go to the local and watch the live stream. Yes i know which would be safer.

TV in pubs needs to be stopped.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Clinker on August 18, 2020, 10:06:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?


Tommy Gunn - see if you even waste time replying to that......

Starting to reckon that some people are beginning to crack up - understandably - with the lack of social interaction which has been enforced on them.

Hyperbole everywhere - sense of proportion gone.
A side effect of Covid19.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 10:05:48 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 18, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Can't go to a game but can go to the local and watch the live stream. Yes i know which would be safer.

TV in pubs needs to be stopped.

It would be much, much easier to allow 1000 people into a large stadium.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Is there a middle ground allowed or are you not allowed to choose anything bar all or nothing?

Yes clinker you are right. If the decision was properly consistent and thought out out etc then the games would be cancelled full stop. Gyms, bars, restaurants, meat plants and the list goes on and on and on.

There is no consistency in this decision. What is it- punishment? Are sports the only area where people have and have been punished?What else is?

Oh but there are photos of not adhering. You could apply that anywhere. Anywhere.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 10:33:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Do you honestly not believe there is a happy medium can be reached in an 18k stadium for a club match? You looking a return to full lockdown or what's your issue here?

Of course there can be a happy medium. And if everyone abided by the guidelines, I'm sure you could get 2 or 3 thousand in.

Same with bars, restaurants, shops etc. Life can continue, most things remain open etc, but people are not adhering to the guidelines, so this is where we are.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on August 18, 2020, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Is there a middle ground allowed or are you not allowed to choose anything bar all or nothing?

I don't think there is anybody unwilling to listen to the logic behind some middle ground option. I assume the GAA will want to put forward some option themselves but don't imagine it will be easy. People think of the spectator area being big enough for moderate crowds but you also have to address whether fans actually avail of the space, how they get in and out of the ground, how they get to the stadium etc. Then we have consider toilets and indeed whether patrons wash their hands
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on August 18, 2020, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where are you getting that from?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 18, 2020, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Is there a middle ground allowed or are you not allowed to choose anything bar all or nothing?

I don't think there is anybody unwilling to listen to the logic behind some middle ground option. I assume the GAA will want to put forward some option themselves but don't imagine it will be easy. People think of the spectator area being big enough for moderate crowds but you also have to address whether fans actually avail of the space, how they get in and out of the ground, how they get to the stadium etc. Then we have consider toilets and indeed whether patrons wash their hands

Yet shops, restaurants, bars, hotels, churches and now schools can open. All of them with deliberately small entrances/exits, and limited toilet space, and with people often arriving via public transport, rather than in a car with a couple of people from their bubble.

——

When you go looking for fault in anything, some can be found. But when you're concerned about open air venues hosting crowds at a tiny percentage of their capacity, it looks like your nitpicking.

—-/

Benny you come from a GAA background. Is it really inconceivable that when you see 20 people clustered together, that they're all extended family or neighbours and oftentimes both?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 10:48:08 PM
@wobbler: Extended family or neighbours? Sure that's hardly a good argument. Just because families live in different houses they can still infect each other.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 18, 2020, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Is there a middle ground allowed or are you not allowed to choose anything bar all or nothing?

I don't think there is anybody unwilling to listen to the logic behind some middle ground option. I assume the GAA will want to put forward some option themselves but don't imagine it will be easy. People think of the spectator area being big enough for moderate crowds but you also have to address whether fans actually avail of the space, how they get in and out of the ground, how they get to the stadium etc. Then we have consider toilets and indeed whether patrons wash their hands

Yet shops, restaurants, bars, hotels, churches and now schools can open. All of them with deliberately small entrances/exits, and limited toilet space, and with people often arriving via public transport, rather than in a car with a couple of people from their bubble.

——

When you go looking for fault in anything, some can be found. But when you're concerned about open air venues hosting crowds at a tiny percentage of their capacity, it looks like your nitpicking.

—-/

Benny you come from a GAA background. Is it really inconceivable that when you see 20 people clustered together, that they're all extended family or neighbours and oftentimes both?

Not relevant. The GAA haven't been enforcing the rules as evident from tv and photos.

This is a mental decision that literally bans team sport, but its harder to argue when the rules were flouted.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 10:48:08 PM
@wobbler: Extended family or neighbours? Sure that's hardly a good argument. Just because families live in different houses they can still infect each other.

People from 4 different households have been legally allowed to meet indoors in NI for the past 3 weeks.

If you're having a hullabaloo about same people now sitting together in an outdoors environment, then I'm sorry to tell you, your horse has bolted.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 18, 2020, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Is there a middle ground allowed or are you not allowed to choose anything bar all or nothing?

I don't think there is anybody unwilling to listen to the logic behind some middle ground option. I assume the GAA will want to put forward some option themselves but don't imagine it will be easy. People think of the spectator area being big enough for moderate crowds but you also have to address whether fans actually avail of the space, how they get in and out of the ground, how they get to the stadium etc. Then we have consider toilets and indeed whether patrons wash their hands

Yet shops, restaurants, bars, hotels, churches and now schools can open. All of them with deliberately small entrances/exits, and limited toilet space, and with people often arriving via public transport, rather than in a car with a couple of people from their bubble.

——

When you go looking for fault in anything, some can be found. But when you're concerned about open air venues hosting crowds at a tiny percentage of their capacity, it looks like your nitpicking.

—-/

Benny you come from a GAA background. Is it really inconceivable that when you see 20 people clustered together, that they're all extended family or neighbours and oftentimes both?

Not relevant. The GAA haven't been enforcing the rules as evident from tv and photos.

This is a mental decision that literally bans team sport, but its harder to argue when the rules were flouted.

See my immediate following response to Benny.

The rules have not been flouted in Down. Championship crowds have been restricted to 300 spectators. Strictly. That people then choose prefer to sit beside each other than in the wide open expanse, is not on the GAA. Those people can claim to be in the same bubble. That you have no more evidence that they're not from the same bubble, than i have that they are, is also important.

You're hanging people because you like hanging. Not because hanging is needed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 10:48:08 PM
@wobbler: Extended family or neighbours? Sure that's hardly a good argument. Just because families live in different houses they can still infect each other.

People from 4 different households have been legally allowed to meet indoors in NI for the past 3 weeks.

If you're having a hullabaloo about same people now sitting together in an outdoors environment, then I'm sorry to tell you, your horse has bolted.

Tbh I don't give a shiny shite how many households can legally meet indoors.

I'm not having a hullabaloo. I'm basically saying if you meet with other family/friends/neighbours etc at things like sports events, pubs, restaurants, you risk getting or passing on the virus. That won't change, even if the law does.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 18, 2020, 11:14:40 PM
 The GAA before reopening advised people to wear face masks, and barely anyone does to matches. They aren't comfortable to wear, but either should have been mandatory, or shouldn't have been having crowds. . John Horan wanted to increase crowds to 500 after previously writing off GAA for the year. Most other Sports have been playing behind closed doors

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 18, 2020, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Ok, so the Armagh SFC semis are next week. Do you suggest they allow up to 18,000 spectators in, and just forget about social distancing?

Is there a middle ground allowed or are you not allowed to choose anything bar all or nothing?

I don't think there is anybody unwilling to listen to the logic behind some middle ground option. I assume the GAA will want to put forward some option themselves but don't imagine it will be easy. People think of the spectator area being big enough for moderate crowds but you also have to address whether fans actually avail of the space, how they get in and out of the ground, how they get to the stadium etc. Then we have consider toilets and indeed whether patrons wash their hands

Yet shops, restaurants, bars, hotels, churches and now schools can open. All of them with deliberately small entrances/exits, and limited toilet space, and with people often arriving via public transport, rather than in a car with a couple of people from their bubble.

——

When you go looking for fault in anything, some can be found. But when you're concerned about open air venues hosting crowds at a tiny percentage of their capacity, it looks like your nitpicking.

—-/

Benny you come from a GAA background. Is it really inconceivable that when you see 20 people clustered together, that they're all extended family or neighbours and oftentimes both?

Not relevant. The GAA haven't been enforcing the rules as evident from tv and photos.

This is a mental decision that literally bans team sport, but its harder to argue when the rules were flouted.

See my immediate following response to Benny.

The rules have not been flouted in Down. Championship crowds have been restricted to 300 spectators. Strictly. That people then choose prefer to sit beside each other than in the wide open expanse, is not on the GAA. Those people can claim to be in the same bubble. That you have no more evidence that they're not from the same bubble, than i have that they are, is also important.

You're hanging people because you like hanging. Not because hanging is needed.

It is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

While I understand and agree sport is being unfairly targetted, the GAA gave the government ammunition.

https://twitter.com/DrVaradkar/status/1295822274382254080?s=19

https://twitter.com/DrVaradkar/status/1295824288696750080?s=19

https://twitter.com/DrVaradkar/status/1295825034683060226?s=19

https://twitter.com/DrVaradkar/status/1295827054622060552?s=19
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 11:25:47 PM
I think a lot of the problem as regards people being angry at particular restrictions is down to a lack of understanding that in any regime of restrictions, there will be contradictions which don't appear to make sense, in which some people feel they are treated unfairly

And that's probably down to lack of communication, it's also enabled by people's access to social media

Lines have to be drawn somewhere though

I guess it depends on what the overall aim of the restrictions is

If the aim is to have "an acceptable level" of cases without overwhelming the health system, which it seems to be, what you're looking for is the maximum possible liberalisation which at the same time keeps cases on an even keel, always focussing on keeping going with the necessary or important things from a wider societal point of view

The lines of this maximum possible liberalisation are subject to constant change and possible reverse at any moment

It's like tinkering with a mixer tap to get the correct temperature, you adjust a bit here and another bit there looking for the right mixture, hoping it'll work

In this situation, you cannot have any real clarity, you take each day as it comes

As I was saying earlier, you can't say that having 50 people at a match is more dangerous than 100 people in a shop, say Penney's or Eason's

But keeping the shop open is more important than having 50 people at a match

You can't say that letting people play contact sports is less dangerous in terms of transmission than spectating - it has to be more dangerous, or at least as dangerous

So again it's contradictory that people should be allowed play yet not spectate

But you have to draw a line somewhere - the line currently is that people should be allowed play, basically for their own well being as people, physically, socially and mentally

It's contradictory that you should require a mask to go into a petrol station and not require one in a cafe or pub that serves food

But you can't eat through a mask in a cafe

Is it contradictory that so called "wet pubs" remain closed while pubs that serve food are open? Yes, it is

But food pubs are open because cafes and restaurants are open - they straddle both the restaurant and pub sector

Should we open "wet pubs" because cafes and restaurants are open?

Should we close cafes and restaurants because "wet pubs" are closed?

Cafes and restaurants can more effectively implement physical distancing than "wet pubs" I think

Lines have to be drawn somewhere, and these lines will always appear unfair to some - and they may well be and probably are somewhat unfair

But a pandemic itself is unfair -  we can't wish away a pandemic

The two other options are i) to let the virus rip and ii) to go for a zero Covid island stategy

I don't think letting the virus rip is a tenable strategy at all, not just for reasons of basic humanity but because it will have a terrible economic impact - you'd get the worst of both worlds

The zero Covid island strategy seems the best strategy if it were possible - if it were successful it would bring some clarity and certainty - but it appears impossible to implement because the North is the proverbial leaking hole in the bucket

So we're left with this uneasy halfway house where the lines drawn will appear unfair and contradictory to a lot of people, wherever they are drawn

And I don't really see any alternative, which is a bit shit, but that's the way it is, we have to wait for a vaccine

If no vaccine comes along, well, let's cross that bridge if we come to it, hopefully we won't have to

In principle I don't really see why inter-county matches can't go ahead behind closed doors given that club matches are already being played

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smort on August 18, 2020, 11:36:24 PM
Well said Sid
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2020, 12:30:18 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 11:25:47 PM


In principle I don't really see why inter-county matches can't go ahead behind closed doors given that club matches are already being played
One reason why is it would cost more to run than whatever TV money is received. County boards already cash strapped with tiny and now no crowds at their club games and to prepare a county team for the inter County championship doesn't come cheap.  If any Inter County games are to be played it should be the remaining NFL games the championship will have to cancelled now.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2020, 12:30:18 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 11:25:47 PM


In principle I don't really see why inter-county matches can't go ahead behind closed doors given that club matches are already being played
One reason why is it would cost more to run than whatever TV money is received. County boards already cash strapped with tiny and now no crowds at their club games and to prepare a county team for the inter County championship doesn't come cheap.  If any Inter County games are to be played it should be the remaining NFL games the championship will have to cancelled now.

If the league of Ireland can be played hemorrhaging money I don't see why the championships can't. If the GAA has to make a loss this year, so be it. There are plenty of ways to make some back, virtual tickets, post out match programmes, push merchandise and so on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 12:43:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2020, 12:30:18 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 11:25:47 PM


In principle I don't really see why inter-county matches can't go ahead behind closed doors given that club matches are already being played
One reason why is it would cost more to run than whatever TV money is received. County boards already cash strapped with tiny and now no crowds at their club games and to prepare a county team for inter County championship doesn't come cheap.
Counties don't have to spend the money they usually would on preparation, in fact they don't have to spend very much at all, the players just play

Amazingly enough this has happened in the past

If managers are not happy, well, tough

For the GAA to sacrifice its biggest competitions would be a very big blow in terms of lost publicity

Other sports are not going to stop, and the GAA competes against other sports for publicity and thus for young people participating, young people want to play because of what they see on d'telly or on viral clips or whatever it is they look at these days

If there's no crowds at the matches, well, so be it

I think a winter All-Ireland championship on d'telly would fill a big gap in the lives of a lot of people at a very difficult time, a need to connect, if not in physical terms, in emotional terms, it would help provide much needed communality

People need a distraction

Sport without crowds is better than nothing, it really is

There's your ironic marketing slogan - "The 2020 All-Ireland Championships - Better Than Nothing"




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 12:43:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2020, 12:30:18 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 11:25:47 PM


In principle I don't really see why inter-county matches can't go ahead behind closed doors given that club matches are already being played
One reason why is it would cost more to run than whatever TV money is received. County boards already cash strapped with tiny and now no crowds at their club games and to prepare a county team for inter County championship doesn't come cheap.
Counties don't have to spend the money they usually would on preparation, in fact they don't have to spend very much at all, the players just play

Amazingly enough this has happened in the past

If managers are not happy, well, tough

For the GAA to sacrifice its biggest competitions would be a very big blow in terms of lost publicity

Other sports are not going to stop, and the GAA competes against other sports for publicity and thus for young people participating, young people want to play because of what they see on d'telly or on viral clips or whatever it is they look at these days

If there's no crowds at the matches, well, so be it

I think a winter All-Ireland championship on d'telly would fill a big gap in the lives of a lot of people at a very difficult time, a need to connect, if not in physical terms, in emotional terms, it would help provide much needed communality

People need a distraction

Sport without crowds is better than nothing, it really is

There's your ironic marketing slogan - "The 2020 All-Ireland Championships - Better Than Nothing"

Its quite bizarre that this is even a thing. Nix the championship if tv money doesn't cover costs. What? Play the damn thing now. Soccer is back, rugby starts at the weekend. If they can do it and pay players, we have zero excuses.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 19, 2020, 01:05:11 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 12:43:20 AM
Counties don't have to spend the money they usually would on preparation, in fact they don't have to spend very much at all, the players just play

Amazingly enough this has happened in the past


Then you have one county with donor with loads of training and another with none. The championship is enough of a joke as it is.

If this is to go ahead then the likes of us have to pay something in somehow. We have to buy the new jersey,  get a streaming package, pay in advance for season tickets, support sponsors, or whatever. There are people here who would complain about the lack of an AI, but then come on here looking for free streams to avoid paying GAAgo.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 02:07:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 19, 2020, 01:05:11 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 12:43:20 AM
Counties don't have to spend the money they usually would on preparation, in fact they don't have to spend very much at all, the players just play

Amazingly enough this has happened in the past


Then you have one county with donor with loads of training and another with none. The championship is enough of a joke as it is.

If this is to go ahead then the likes of us have to pay something in somehow. We have to buy the new jersey,  get a streaming package, pay in advance for season tickets, support sponsors, or whatever. There are people here who would complain about the lack of an AI, but then come on here looking for free streams to avoid paying GAAgo.

There have always been fitness differentials between teams, always will be

You don't have to pay anything in, nobody is forcing you to buy a jersey or subscribe to Sky or GAAGo

I imagine there's scope for 5 or 6 live matches each weekend in November, it would be a publicity bonanza for the GAA and RTE would certainly lap it up, TV viewers would too

People who are citing financial reasons as to why this can't go ahead remind me of the old saying about people knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on August 19, 2020, 07:28:05 AM
What state would the organisation be in by now if they were paying players??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 08:31:50 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 06:45:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
On one hand you've got members of a close knit community sitting together for an hour and a half, and it disturbs you.

Close knit or not,  each household should be sitting apart and in some of these games people did not do this. A small number were let in and they couldn't manage to behave responsibly so we are where we are.

So every sport in the land has had spectators stopped from attending because a small number at GAA games didnt behave responsibly  :-X
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2020, 08:35:24 AM
If that was the case why have they not said it and also if that was the case why haven't they just punished one sport too. I don't think it is what is happening here. I just think it's a poor decision. You can't discipline every sport but no other aspect of life when they misbehave too.

Though I do see the gardai now have more powers with regard to house parties.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

So by that logic all restaurants/pubs should be closed after the incident at the Berlin bar at the weekend?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2020, 08:40:56 AM
In addition there are considerablu more sports than just the GAA. I think it's probably a stretch to think all sports have been punished because of the GAA or because of one match that was on tv last friday. Then how would we know if the real rationale behind it has not been communicated.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 08:44:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 19, 2020, 08:40:56 AM
In addition there are considerablu more sports than just the GAA. I think it's probably a stretch to think all sports have been punished because of the GAA or because of one match that was on tv last friday. Then how would we know if the real rationale behind it has not been communicated.

Exactly Tommy - it makes zero sense.

The nonsense spouted by some posters on here is embarassing
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2020, 08:49:24 AM
I am starting to read tweets saying that the CMO is saying it's about what happens before and after matches and car pooling etc, congregation etc.

I guess that's the rationale.

I think it's horseshit the decisions here and things like people going to GAA matches etc were really helpful for communities. Anyway - at least we're still allowed to go to matches up here lol. (For about a day I suspect). I imagine that will be nipped in the bud too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on August 19, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 19, 2020, 08:49:24 AM
I am starting to read tweets saying that the CMO is saying it's about what happens before and after matches and car pooling etc, congregation etc.

I guess that's the rationale.

I think it's horseshit the decisions here and things like people going to GAA matches etc were really helpful for communities. Anyway - at least we're still allowed to go to matches up here lol. (For about a day I suspect). I imagine that will be nipped in the bud too.
maybe the Gaa should think about holding the entire championship in the north at least there would be a few supporters
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

So by that logic all restaurants/pubs should be closed after the incident at the Berlin bar at the weekend?
I'm sure it was discussed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

So by that logic all restaurants/pubs should be closed after the incident at the Berlin bar at the weekend?
I'm sure it was discussed.

Was it discussed?
Sorry I didnt know that.

Tell me - how did they then make the decision that it was safer to keep pubs/restaurants open than to allow attendance at open air events?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.


Hold on. "End of?"

You have hung your hat on one open-ended, non-commital word "onus" in a 2,000 word statement.

And from that you feel you can justify your previous nonsense that:

Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

People like you are dangerous. You will cast off any nonsense in your head as fact. This is not a time for people to push agenda filled rumours. Stop it. Just stop it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on August 19, 2020, 10:00:35 AM
The whole principle behind aiming for universal Covid hygiene behaviour is that if enough people do it , it will have a cumulative effect. Therefore the key messages were kept simple to try to make compliance more practical.
Given the government's apparent one-sided view of the effects of Covid ( ie the primacy of The direct effect of the virus, over the effects of restrictions), the GAA has to use its influence to balance that argument. If they are pro-active in promoting the small sacrifices in all aspects of life not just GAA: masks, 2m distancing , hand and face hygiene , responsibility around socialising & testing , then arguing for a limited number of loyal spectators could be won, on the basis of the importance of enjoyment and socialisation for our community.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: square_ball on August 19, 2020, 10:01:19 AM
Executive in the north to discuss spectators at sporting events today as well. Will it follow suit up here?

Is there social distancing being adhered to at matches? Not from what I can see from the matches I have seen on tv and in Tyrone over the weekend. Sure there's a club in Tyrone made a few quid from letting people in through a back fence. And for crying out loud Clonoe got a bus for their players to go to a match 5 mile up the road even after Mcdonnells own home club had cases from players car pooling. You couldn't make that nonsense up there.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 19, 2020, 10:41:38 AM
The guy on the radio continues to blame people congregating after the game, i.e. in the pub or whatever.
I wonder about this in the context of club GAA games, but even if it is happening them surely the solution lies in regulating the indoor venue not the outdoor one.
It is perfectly possible to safely go to a game in your own car, sit 2m+ away from other people, wait a few minutes to let the crowd dissipate, get back into your car and go home. But because others will not do this, all of us are excluded.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on August 19, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: square_ball on August 19, 2020, 10:01:19 AM
Executive in the north to discuss spectators at sporting events today as well. Will it follow suit up here?

Is there social distancing being adhered to at matches? Not from what I can see from the matches I have seen on tv and in Tyrone over the weekend. Sure there's a club in Tyrone made a few quid from letting people in through a back fence. And for crying out loud Clonoe got a bus for their players to go to a match 5 mile up the road even after Mcdonnells own home club had cases from players car pooling. You couldn't make that nonsense up there.

Tbf to government both sides of the border, they are spooked by the possibility of getting this wrong . If individuals and communities are not prepared to make small sacrifices and promote them, then the governments have to consider more draconian measures.

What really concerns me is the primacy of the direct effects of the virus against the effects of restrictions .
Covid is a threat to the vulnerable -and that's where the focus must lie. To the vast majority of individuals it has not proved a significant threat however.
The effects of restrictions however are a threat to all of us, including the vulnerable.
The direct effects of the virus can be seen almost immediately and are recorded ( sometimes over-recorded), whilst many of the effects of the lockdown won't be seen for months/years. Here's a few to ponder that we already know of:
Mental health stress
Increased alcohol consumption
Increased domestic violence
Social and Educational effects of school closure , including less monitoring and therefore protection of vulnerable children.
Stress around university places and career opportunities for our young people
No respite from life's stresses thru: family,holidays, sport, theatre , cinema, pubs
Economic disaster : which will inevitably hit housing, health and education
Unemployment and its long lasting effects.
Decreased capital expenditure for societal improvement
Decreased activity/exercise, increased obesity
Less exposure to sunlight and fresh air
Increased health problems associated with poverty
Delayed diagnosis and treatment of disease.
Decreased revenue for enjoyable past times in life: sport, arts , hospitality sector
Lack of sensitivity for the autonomy and rights  of the individual especially the elderly.

There are some positives to Covid restrictions which we can learn from and build on.
Decreased carbon emissions, ?decreased car accidents, increased community awareness and support especially for the vulnerable , holidays at home.

Much as I respect any loss of life,  and have total sympathy for the bereaved, it must be recognised that a significant number of those who died with Covid, were actually very Weak, frail and prepared for death , and if they didn't die with Covid,  death was likely to occur within months anyway due to their frailty. We urgently need to target Extra resources for the vulnerable to minimise the exposure to and effects of Covid.

The above thoughts are reasonable , sensible and shared by most of us, but who in politics or media is promoting this narrative. Where as I totally respect the science surrounding the direct risks if the virus, I think that it's scandalous that nobody, up to and including the WHO is quantifying the massive short and long term effects of restrictions .

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
As I was saying earlier, you can't say that having 50 people at a match is more dangerous than 100 people in a shop, say Penney's or Eason's

But keeping the shop open is more important than having 50 people at a match



This is the key issue.  The economy needs to be kept going or we will be in deep trouble.  Jobs are way more important than activities now. The real fear now is the winter months and the capacity of our hospitals to cope

I went to the 1st round of our championship and I have to say there was no social distancing whatsover. Everyone mingling on the way and the way out and was def more there than the recommended number.

I know factories are a big problem but we have to try keep business' open and people in jobs.  The government really need to look at provision centres and accommodation for these workers where there are just too many people living together.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on August 19, 2020, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
As I was saying earlier, you can't say that having 50 people at a match is more dangerous than 100 people in a shop, say Penney's or Eason's

But keeping the shop open is more important than having 50 people at a match



This is the key issue.  The economy needs to be kept going or we will be in deep trouble.  Jobs are way more important than activities now. The real fear now is the winter months and the capacity of our hospitals to cope

I went to the 1st round of our championship and I have to say there was no social distancing whatsover. Everyone mingling on the way and the way out and was def more there than the recommended number.

I know factories are a big problem but we have to try keep business' open and people in jobs.  The government really need to look at provision centres and accommodation for these workers where there are just too many people living together.

Government needs to target areas vulnerable to spread, and protect the vulnerable . They need to counter complacency and reinforce messages around "small sacrifices by all",  but any return to a prolonged lockdown, needs to be balanced against the massive effect that this will have on vulnerable individuals and society as a whole .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 11:46:09 AM
The last thing we need is another full lockdown, both from a financial and mental point of view

The issue of workers living in over crowded accommodation needs to be addressed and sorted ASAP. Direct provision centres need to be sorted as well.

Factories and other large industries need to have random inspections and not pre notified ones.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 19, 2020, 12:20:29 PM
A representative from NPHET was on the radio this morning and he said they have clear evidence of people picking up Covid-19 from attending sports events.

While most counties have taken the 200 capacity/social distancing seriously some other counties have been far too lax. You only have to watch the matches on TG4 each weekend to the the differences.

Stopping people attending sports fixtures won't effect the economy and will help with social distancing. It's far easier to this than close restaurants, pubs etc. given the additional effect this will have on the economy and already struggling businesses.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
As I was saying earlier, you can't say that having 50 people at a match is more dangerous than 100 people in a shop, say Penney's or Eason's

But keeping the shop open is more important than having 50 people at a match



This is the key issue.  The economy needs to be kept going or we will be in deep trouble.  Jobs are way more important than activities now. The real fear now is the winter months and the capacity of our hospitals to cope

I went to the 1st round of our championship and I have to say there was no social distancing whatsover. Everyone mingling on the way and the way out and was def more there than the recommended number.

I know factories are a big problem but we have to try keep business' open and people in jobs.  The government really need to look at provision centres and accommodation for these workers where there are just too many people living together.

Absolutely - jobs are way more important than activities now.

But are jobs way more important than health/life/death?

Based on the decision to close open air events but keep airports/pubs/restaurants open then it is a resounding 'yes' jobs are more important than living or dying.

If anyone thinks that by doing this it will reduce the spread of Covid (while keeping everything else open) they are living in cuckoo land.

This time next week teachers can sit in an enclosed space all day with 30 kids from different households - but cant stand outside for an hour by themselves to watch a sporting event
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
As I was saying earlier, you can't say that having 50 people at a match is more dangerous than 100 people in a shop, say Penney's or Eason's

But keeping the shop open is more important than having 50 people at a match



This is the key issue.  The economy needs to be kept going or we will be in deep trouble.  Jobs are way more important than activities now. The real fear now is the winter months and the capacity of our hospitals to cope

I went to the 1st round of our championship and I have to say there was no social distancing whatsover. Everyone mingling on the way and the way out and was def more there than the recommended number.

I know factories are a big problem but we have to try keep business' open and people in jobs.  The government really need to look at provision centres and accommodation for these workers where there are just too many people living together.

Absolutely - jobs are way more important than activities now.

But are jobs way more important than health/life/death?

Based on the decision to close open air events but keep airports/pubs/restaurants open then it is a resounding 'yes' jobs are more important than living or dying.

If anyone thinks that by doing this it will reduce the spread of Covid (while keeping everything else open) they are living in cuckoo land.

This time next week teachers can sit in an enclosed space all day with 30 kids from different households - but cant stand outside for an hour by themselves to watch a sporting event


Do you not think they are putting restrictions in as many places as possible so that the children can actually get back to school

Parents shouting a month ago that schools should be open and now on shouting for schools not to open. 

Restrict as much social interaction as possible so that our  children can get back to school and see how this goes.

And by the way I dont have any children in school but I really think this is a priority right now not how social restricions are affecting adults .  We are adults , we can do this and we understand why we have to do this.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on August 19, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
As I was saying earlier, you can't say that having 50 people at a match is more dangerous than 100 people in a shop, say Penney's or Eason's

But keeping the shop open is more important than having 50 people at a match



This is the key issue.  The economy needs to be kept going or we will be in deep trouble.  Jobs are way more important than activities now. The real fear now is the winter months and the capacity of our hospitals to cope

I went to the 1st round of our championship and I have to say there was no social distancing whatsover. Everyone mingling on the way and the way out and was def more there than the recommended number.

I know factories are a big problem but we have to try keep business' open and people in jobs.  The government really need to look at provision centres and accommodation for these workers where there are just too many people living together.

Absolutely - jobs are way more important than activities now.

But are jobs way more important than health/life/death?

Based on the decision to close open air events but keep airports/pubs/restaurants open then it is a resounding 'yes' jobs are more important than living or dying.

If anyone thinks that by doing this it will reduce the spread of Covid (while keeping everything else open) they are living in cuckoo land.

This time next week teachers can sit in an enclosed space all day with 30 kids from different households - but cant stand outside for an hour by themselves to watch a sporting event


Do you not think they are putting restrictions in as many places as possible so that the children can actually get back to school

Parents shouting a month ago that schools should be open and now on shouting for schools not to open. 

Restrict as much social interaction as possible so that our  children can get back to school and see how this goes.

And by the way I dont have any children in school but I really think this is a priority right now not how social restricions are affecting adults .  We are adults , we can do this and we understand why we have to do this.

So are jobs more important than health/life/death?

Not sure who you are referring to about shouting about schools - personally I dont think they have linked open air sports events to schools at all
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 12:55:17 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.


Hold on. "End of?"

You have hung your hat on one open-ended, non-commital word "onus" in a 2,000 word statement.

And from that you feel you can justify your previous nonsense that:

Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

People like you are dangerous. You will cast off any nonsense in your head as fact. This is not a time for people to push agenda filled rumours. Stop it. Just stop it.

You are fumbling now. You asked for a document outlining the rules, you got it. Non committal my arse.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

So by that logic all restaurants/pubs should be closed after the incident at the Berlin bar at the weekend?
I'm sure it was discussed.

Was it discussed?
Sorry I didnt know that.

Tell me - how did they then make the decision that it was safer to keep pubs/restaurants open than to allow attendance at open air events?

Baile - can you explain how in your opinion this happened?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 01:40:07 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 19, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

So by that logic all restaurants/pubs should be closed after the incident at the Berlin bar at the weekend?
I'm sure it was discussed.

Was it discussed?
Sorry I didnt know that.

Tell me - how did they then make the decision that it was safer to keep pubs/restaurants open than to allow attendance at open air events?

Baile - can you explain how in your opinion this happened?

The GAA made it easy for them. Televised games, clear and obvious flouting. They had to be seen to do something and sport got it in the neck. Wink and nudge doesn't cut it here.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 19, 2020, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases

Of course there is car pooling going to games. Whether or not any cases have arisen because of it is probably unknown, but even so, it's not advisable to do. Same with sitting/standing to close to other fans.

You can fool a GAA steward or a barman, saying we're from the same household, and therefore can sit together. But at the end of the day, you're not fooling the virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2020, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases

I was reading stats on it on social media where someone had shared a thing detailing the breakdown of where cases came from. I did not hear they have stated that. Maybe the info I got is wrong if so.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on August 19, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
Will tonight be the last clubs games to attend in the North?  It'll be interesting to see what happens at Thursdays NI Exec.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tonto1888 on August 19, 2020, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

Why would inter county get pulled yet club allowed to continue
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 19, 2020, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 19, 2020, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

Why would inter county get pulled yet club allowed to continue

The club teams are already trained together and their continued training involves little or nothing in the way of travel expenses etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 19, 2020, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

Why would inter county get pulled yet club allowed to continue

Less complications to keep the club game going than trying to start the inter County season in October.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 19, 2020, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 19, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
Will tonight be the last clubs games to attend in the North?  It'll be interesting to see what happens at Thursdays NI Exec.

Is it still 400 allowed to attend? I doubt the NI lads in power will have the same draconian restrictions as the ROI.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on August 19, 2020, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 19, 2020, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 19, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
Will tonight be the last clubs games to attend in the North?  It'll be interesting to see what happens at Thursdays NI Exec.

Is it still 400 allowed to attend? I doubt the NI lads in power will have the same draconian restrictions as the ROI.
Arlene will be telling Michelle that "this virus doesn't recognise borders", time to tighten the rules.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 19, 2020, 05:28:57 PM
I'd expect a tightening in the 6 right enough.
A screen shot from Páirc Esler will be enough to convince them to cut numbers at sporting events.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 19, 2020, 06:35:28 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

No, it didn't.

I think the thinking was that fans were obviously gathering outside the grounds, and that's not safe. So, maybe we should let some of them in, at least there will be plenty of space inside and they'll be able to safely distance from one another. But a lot of them can't even do that in grounds that could normally hold 20,000.

So, you can't really blame the government for this one.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 19, 2020, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

In response to these kinds of things you will have traffic calming on roads, tighter controls on ID at off licences or increased inspection of factories. We need these things too for Covid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 19, 2020, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

But this is not about doing 35 in a 30mph zone, or dodging the TV license man. This has the potential to affect the health (or lives) of thousands of people.

I'm not sure if pubs are closed, or will be closed, but from stories I've heard, it's a free for all. I'm not advocating closing everything down. Every shop, pub, restaurant, zoo, sports ground etc can absolutely remain open, but people are clearly not doing the right things.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

Every single thing you listed is regulated and there are sanctions for breaching those regulations. This is hysterical whataboutery.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

Every single thing you listed is regulated and there are sanctions for breaching those regulations. This is hysterical whataboutery.

You're specialising in missing the point.

The sanctions for these offences punish the individual for individual offences.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

Every single thing you listed is regulated and there are sanctions for breaching those regulations. This is hysterical whataboutery.

You're specialising in missing the point.

The sanctions for these offences punish the individual for individual offences.

Your last two are specifically corporate malfeasance, the company gets punished, not the individual who works there who erred.

You are on a different planet if you think the GAA (or any sports body) cannot be held accountable for what happens on their property at an event they manage.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.
To use your logic, there should be no speed limits, prescription drugs should be available in limitless amounts over the counter to anybody, there should be no laws against bad behaviour by tourists in Spain, there should be no legal age for drinking alcohol, and no regulations to protect workers' rights


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2020, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.
To use your logic, there should be no speed limits, prescription drugs should be available in limitless amounts over the counter to anybody, there should be no laws against bad behaviour by tourists in Spain, there should be no legal age for drinking alcohol, and no regulations to protect workers' rights

This.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.
To use your logic, there should be no speed limits, prescription drugs should be available in limitless amounts over the counter to anybody, there should be no laws against bad behaviour by tourists in Spain, there should be no legal age for drinking alcohol, and no regulations to protect workers' rights

No Sid. To use my logic, the government shouldn't shut down services in entirety because of individual indiscretions.

What's that straw man thing you like bringing up?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 20, 2020, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

Pretty sure loi teams were letting in 50 supporters, drawn between season ticket holders.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 12:30:48 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 20, 2020, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

Pretty sure loi teams were letting in 50 supporters, drawn between season ticket holders.

Some did, most didn't.

200 isn't hard to get to with players, coaches, journos, tv, delegates and so on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.
To use your logic, there should be no speed limits, prescription drugs should be available in limitless amounts over the counter to anybody, there should be no laws against bad behaviour by tourists in Spain, there should be no legal age for drinking alcohol, and no regulations to protect workers' rights

No Sid. To use my logic, the government shouldn't shut down services in entirety because of individual indiscretions.

What's that straw man thing you like bringing up?

And normally they don't, they punish the orgabisers, who you claimed have no responsibility

But we aren't in normal times. And the GAA publicly flouted the rules, FF needed a target, all sport got it in the neck. The response of demanding data and a meeting wasn't wise either
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 12:53:22 AM
Why so obstreperous?

"FF needed a target". Why do the need a target?

"Gaa publicly flouted the rules". No they didn't. Some individuals might have. But the GAA, which  has played a blinder ensuring that their games can be played as safely and traceable as possible, you are choosing to castigate as a whole.

"They punish the organisers". No they don't. If you choose to drive at 100kph in a 40 zone, they don't go after the road service for providing a suitable stretch of road. They don't go after Audi for selling a vehicle that allows such a speed to be achieved. They go after you. And most of all they don't close that stretch of road for everyone else.

"But we aren't in normal times". We certainly are not. But coming down in favour of preventing a couple of hundred registered people from attending an event in vast open space, when the threat of catching a virus outdoors is minimal, well that's one of the most abnormal things I've ever encountered.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 20, 2020, 01:19:45 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 19, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.
To use your logic, there should be no speed limits, prescription drugs should be available in limitless amounts over the counter to anybody, there should be no laws against bad behaviour by tourists in Spain, there should be no legal age for drinking alcohol, and no regulations to protect workers' rights

No Sid. To use my logic, the government shouldn't shut down services in entirety because of individual indiscretions.

What's that straw man thing you like bringing up?
Attending a club GAA match is not a service
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on August 20, 2020, 08:04:41 AM
Serious amount of GAA people think their sport should be exempt for whatever reason I do not know.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 20, 2020, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2020, 08:04:41 AM
Serious amount of GAA people think their sport should be exempt for whatever reason I do not know.

I think it is more the confusion & lack of explanation is the issue.

Am sure all sports are pissed off but GAA are more vocal.

I mean how can you close outdoor sports but indoor weddings/mass etc etc are all allowed where the chance of infection is much higher?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2020, 08:04:41 AM
Serious amount of GAA people think their sport should be exempt for whatever reason I do not know.

I believe you're confusing the situation. There's an overwhelmingly majority of people who cannot understand the rationale for banning a restricted number of spectators from large outdoor venues.

That it happens to be the GAA's high season for club activity means of course we are going to be noisiest about the decision.

——

Cinemas are allowed to open though. It must be something of a paradox to claim the government are right to ban outdoor spectators, while the same government leaves behind gaping holes in which you could turn an oil tanker.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Don't know about weddings but there is serious social distancing applied at Masses in my Diocese and presumably the rest do the same.
The GAA have done great work until they let the 100 or 400 spectators inside the grounds. Then it stops and they're let sit together all over the place.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on August 20, 2020, 09:16:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Don't know about weddings but there is serious social distancing applied at Masses in my Diocese and presumably the rest do the same.
The GAA have done great work until they let the 100 or 400 spectators inside the grounds. Then it stops and they're let sit together all over the place.

Yep the GAA should be doing more inside the grounds but you would think adults with half a brain would know  to keep a bit of distance between each other.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:17:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Don't know about weddings but there is serious social distancing applied at Masses in my Diocese and presumably the rest do the same.
The GAA have done great work until they let the 100 or 400 spectators inside the grounds. Then it stops and they're let sit together all over the place.

Rossfan

1. You're careful to announce that mass in your diocese only is well marshalled.

2. But in almost the same breath you condemn 5000 clubs the length in breadth of Ireland, as being one in the same.


Surely you understand that you cannot qualify your statement on the latter through your observations on the former?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:26:33 AM
Wobbler
There aren't 5,000  Clubs.
Tell me what Clubs enforced social distancing among thick spectators.
I can post what observations I wish.
Have a nice day and give GAAboard a rest for a few days.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 20, 2020, 09:37:27 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 20, 2020, 09:16:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Don't know about weddings but there is serious social distancing applied at Masses in my Diocese and presumably the rest do the same.
The GAA have done great work until they let the 100 or 400 spectators inside the grounds. Then it stops and they're let sit together all over the place.

Yep the GAA should be doing more inside the grounds but you would think adults with half a brain would know  to keep a bit of distance between each other.

Exactly. And you'd think they'd have half a brain to know to travel in separate cars.

Perhaps for that reason too, this decision has been made.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:26:33 AM
Wobbler
There aren't 5,000  Clubs.
Tell me what Clubs enforced social distancing among thick spectators.
I can post what observations I wish.
Have a nice day and give GAAboard a rest for a few days.

Apologies, you're right. 2000 odd clubs.


——

That wasn't an observation from you. It was a sweeping generalisation on every GAA club in Ireland. And furthermore you now want proof from individual clubs that they're following guidance. That's McCarthyism.

But anyway, here's one. We did. We hosted one senior fixture this year. And we had marshals at both ends of each side of the field, advising spectators to socially distance, after they entered the ground. I'm not telling you unequivocally that everyone followed this advice. But the crowd was well spaced out.

——-

We are also one of only 4 clubs in Down with a seated stand. This would seems to be a situation replicated in most counties ie you stand on a bank if you're lucky, or beside the rail if you're not.

When you and other demand careful markings for spectators, do you include the grounds-without-stands in your thinking?

If so, is the approach mentioned above okay for you?

Or do you really think a volunteer marshal should spend 60 minutes walking up and down each bank, telling people to stay apart ("but we all travelled here together and are in the same bubble"), and judiciously guessing who is telling the truth? You are moving into dangerous policy if you weigh in behind this one. That's McCarthyism.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on August 20, 2020, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.

I think the unfortunate aspect of the government decision is the speed of it. There are several supporters who benefitted enormously from return to sport . There had been clear evidence of distancing not being adhered to however. IMHO Government would have greater chance of sustainable compliance , if they engaged with sporting organisations and put a shot across their bows..."if u don't actively sort out distancing, we'll have to close you down" , and use them to promote compliance across all aspects of life ie engage them as community leaders. Using the "stick" of we'll be insisting on "behind closed doors" if we don't see evidence of this , is fair enough. There is no doubt the GAA would embrace this  challenge-the precedent is already there. That community engagement is essential for sustained compliance of the population. If government pulls the plug on environments that are amenable to regulation eg sporting events, gyms etc, then  people will resort to non-regulated social environments .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 20, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Don't know about weddings but there is serious social distancing applied at Masses in my Diocese and presumably the rest do the same.
The GAA have done great work until they let the 100 or 400 spectators inside the grounds. Then it stops and they're let sit together all over the place.

Rossfan, your comment is quite bizzare. You generalise about what is going on in masses because in your church there is great social distancing. You then generalise about bad behaviour at GAA grounds because they let 100 or 400 (whatever thats meant to mean, the limit was 200)

I was at a christening a few weeks ago in my local church, a place I dont go to often and there was zero social distancing. The priest even insisted on holding the baby for photographs. Does that mean each church has the same bad behaviour? Do you see where I am going with this?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 20, 2020, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 20, 2020, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.

I think the unfortunate aspect of the government decision is the speed of it. There are several supporters who benefitted enormously from return to sport . There had been clear evidence of distancing not being adhered to however. IMHO Government would have greater chance of sustainable compliance , if they engaged with sporting organisations and put a shot across their bows..."if u don't actively sort out distancing, we'll have to close you down" , and use them to promote compliance across all aspects of life ie engage them as community leaders. Using the "stick" of we'll be insisting on "behind closed doors" if we don't see evidence of this , is fair enough. There is no doubt the GAA would embrace this  challenge-the precedent is already there. That community engagement is essential for sustained compliance of the population. If government pulls the plug on environments that are amenable to regulation eg sporting events, gyms etc, then  people will resort to non-regulated social environments .

I would agree with this and would extend it to every area really. They should be engaging with and spot checking churches, GAA matches, factories you name it. If for example a factory isn't adhering it should be given something like a warning and if they are caught again shut down until they prove they have measures in place that they can. Same should go for pubs too.

Things should be assessed on a case by case basis and if you're not adhering then suffer the consequences. Then it is down to you to ensure you are getting your income etc.

This generalisation of this is happening everywhere and it's terrible is horseshit. People see one photo on social media and go mad sometimes a la Kilcoo Mayobridge.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on August 20, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:17:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Don't know about weddings but there is serious social distancing applied at Masses in my Diocese and presumably the rest do the same.
The GAA have done great work until they let the 100 or 400 spectators inside the grounds. Then it stops and they're let sit together all over the place.

Rossfan

1. You're careful to announce that mass in your diocese only is well marshalled.

2. But in almost the same breath you condemn 5000 clubs the length in breadth of Ireland, as being one in the same.


Surely you understand that you cannot qualify your statement on the latter through your observations on the former?
I'll bet when the priest says the mass is ended .. that most people leave around the same time and will be chatting as they head for the exit. 

130 by 80 meter is the minimum pitch size for a gaa match.  Which would be 420 meter perimeter.  Even if none of the people watching were from the same family that leaves plenty of room for social distancing if 100-150 people are watching the match.  I have to take my son to U11 matches which more or less have the children's parents watching the game (20 supporters max), am I expected to drive an hour to Newry for a match and then sit in the car as near as I can get outside the ground for an hour until it is over, if so I am more worried that if no one is keeping an eye on him he will be tripping over himself the whole game as he can't tie his shoe laces very well or step out in front of a car without looking coming to get me after the game than of any of us catching covid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on August 20, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 20, 2020, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2020, 08:04:41 AM
Serious amount of GAA people think their sport should be exempt for whatever reason I do not know.

I think it is more the confusion & lack of explanation is the issue.

Am sure all sports are pissed off but GAA are more vocal.

I mean how can you close outdoor sports but indoor weddings/mass etc etc are all allowed where the chance of infection is much higher?

Outdoor sports are not cancelled. Crowds watching outdoor sports is off.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:37:29 AM






Or do you really think a volunteer marshal should spend 60 minutes walking up and down each bank, telling people to stay apart ("but we all travelled here together and are in the same bubble"), and judiciously guessing who is telling the truth?
Absolutely. The real question is why do you think they shouldn't.

Its somewhat bizarre that you think the GAA shouldn't enforce their own social distancing rules that were implemented in order to be allowed play games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
Itchy
Do you not know that up to 500 can be at sports fixtures in the 6 Counties or that Ulster GAA  said that means 400 spectators?

By the way Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh is 90 today.
Happy Birthday oul stock.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.

The reason given for banning spectators is too many was car pooling to games and meeting up after matches. Many other activities have those issues also but people aren't and won't be banned from doing it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.

The reason given for banning spectators is too many was car pooling to games and meeting up after matches. Many other activities have those issues also be people aren't and won't be banned from doing it

If car pooling is an issue or going to the pub afterwards is an issue then ban those things, not the going to the field which can be done perfectly safely.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.

The reason given for banning spectators is too many was car pooling to games and meeting up after matches. Many other activities have those issues also be people aren't and won't be banned from doing it

It's one of the reasons NOT the only reason. There have been several instances of people picking up Covid-19 at sporting events so they have stopped people attending them
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.

The reason given for banning spectators is too many was car pooling to games and meeting up after matches. Many other activities have those issues also be people aren't and won't be banned from doing it

It's one of the reasons NOT the only reason. There have been several instances of people picking up Covid-19 at sporting events so they have stopped people attending them

It's the main reason as per Dr Ronan Glynn. Was no mention of social distancing at games in his latest video response to the confusion over these recent restrictions.

One of the biggest concerns for our medical experts is the rise in community transmission (not knowing where the virus was picked up)

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 20, 2020, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 20, 2020, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2020, 08:04:41 AM
Serious amount of GAA people think their sport should be exempt for whatever reason I do not know.

I think it is more the confusion & lack of explanation is the issue.

Am sure all sports are pissed off but GAA are more vocal.

I mean how can you close outdoor sports but indoor weddings/mass etc etc are all allowed where the chance of infection is much higher?

Outdoor sports are not cancelled. Crowds watching outdoor sports is off.

I mean how can you close spectators watching outdoor sports but indoor weddings/mass etc etc are all allowed where the chance of infection is much higher?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: yellowcard on August 20, 2020, 04:53:56 PM
Outdoor gatherings to be restricted to 15 people from next Monday in the north. Not yet clear if this applies to sporting events or whether matches can still go ahead?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

If the focus was on numbers at games stricter compliance would be brought in on social distancing and mandatory face coverings.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on August 20, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
Sport is getting an excellent deal from the health authorities, allowing close contact sport is something many did'nt expect in April. So we have been giving the go ahead for huddles/melees/man on man marking for thousands. Fair enough deal and fair bit of risk. Asking us to restrict spectators is a fair ask especially if there is no social distancing (most def the case at plenty of games), clubs ignoring the current quotas, car pooling and congregating after. Bit of balance to conversation needed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo. There are socio econimic elements also considered in deciding what is restricted and what isnt.  Getting schools back has and still seems to be the priority even though it carries a significant level of risk and obviously takes place indoors. Pubs, restaurents, hotels etc. are open because of the economic benefit not because they are safer than other businesses or activities. Sports are very low down the list but beacuse of health and social benefits id imagine  they decided to allow matches to take place.

what i was saying is the economic benefits appear to be a priority for the government and imo rightly so over sports, the GAA could make the argument by having games and spectators they are suppprting economic recovery which is the governments priority.

its hard to argue against allowing pubs and restaurants open to help peoples livelihoods but then say that events that lead to more attendance at these pubs and restaurants which help people livelihoods that work in these businesses  is bad.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo. There are socio econimic elements also considered in deciding what is restricted and what isnt.  Getting schools back has and still seems to be the priority even though it carries a significant level of risk and obviously takes place indoors. Pubs, restaurents, hotels etc. are open because of the economic benefit not because they are safer than other businesses or activities. Sports are very low down the list but beacuse of health and social benefits id imagine  they decided to allow matches to take place.

what i was saying is the economic benefits appear to be a priority for the government and imo rightly so over sports, the GAA could make the argument by having games and spectators they are suppprting economic recovery which is the governments priority.

its hard to argue against allowing pubs and restaurants open to help peoples livelihoods but then say that events that lead to more attendance at these pubs and restaurants which help people livelihoods that work in these businesses  is bad.

Lots of peoples livelihoods are sport based though
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 07:26:00 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
I don't want anything I'm just an individual posting my view on an Internet forum.
The Government in the 26 has sorted out spectator social distancing by banning them.

The reason given for banning spectators is too many was car pooling to games and meeting up after matches. Many other activities have those issues also be people aren't and won't be banned from doing it

It's one of the reasons NOT the only reason. There have been several instances of people picking up Covid-19 at sporting events so they have stopped people attending them

It's the main reason as per Dr Ronan Glynn. Was no mention of social distancing at games in his latest video response to the confusion over these recent restrictions.

One of the biggest concerns for our medical experts is the rise in community transmission (not knowing where the virus was picked up)

If people are picking up Covid at GAA games then cutting off that avenue makes sense. That's just a sensible medical decision. It's also worth noting that for several county boards social distancing was something that was the government's problem and they didn't seem to think the rules applied to them. No point in limiting fans if you let them all sit/stand together. They got a chance alot of other sports didn't get and they screwed it up themselves.

The rugby restarts in Aviva on Sat in empty stadiums, but the IRFU haven't sent a snotty demand through the media for a meeting with the government to demand answers. Why do you think the GAA are being treated badly compared to other sports? Makes no sense

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 20, 2020, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo. There are socio econimic elements also considered in deciding what is restricted and what isnt.  Getting schools back has and still seems to be the priority even though it carries a significant level of risk and obviously takes place indoors. Pubs, restaurents, hotels etc. are open because of the economic benefit not because they are safer than other businesses or activities. Sports are very low down the list but beacuse of health and social benefits id imagine  they decided to allow matches to take place.

what i was saying is the economic benefits appear to be a priority for the government and imo rightly so over sports, the GAA could make the argument by having games and spectators they are suppprting economic recovery which is the governments priority.

its hard to argue against allowing pubs and restaurants open to help peoples livelihoods but then say that events that lead to more attendance at these pubs and restaurants which help people livelihoods that work in these businesses  is bad.
100 paying supporters per match gave clubs much needed cash and many of those supporters that do travel will likely pop into a pub, cafe, restaurant before returning home so surely a economic benefit?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
captain thats my point and one i have not seen used in arguments thst ouside of the match revenue other businesses benifit from events/matches and that economic benefit appears to have weighted heavily on allowing other business open...

Baile - i dont understand what point you are making sorry.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 07:26:00 PM
If people are picking up Covid at GAA games then cutting off that avenue makes sense. That's just a sensible medical decision. It's also worth noting that for several county boards social distancing was something that was the government's problem and they didn't seem to think the rules applied to them. No point in limiting fans if you let them all sit/stand together. They got a chance alot of other sports didn't get and they screwed it up themselves.
:D
The rugby restarts in Aviva on Sat in empty stadiums, but the IRFU haven't sent a snotty demand through the media for a meeting with the government to demand answers. Why do you think the GAA are being treated badly compared to other sports? Makes no sense

Once again tonight the acting CMO stressed car pooling and congregating after are the main reason for such restrictions.

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.

Anyway it's seems they got their answer on parents allowed to attend games where their children are playing underage games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on August 20, 2020, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo.
If you are inside the air everyone breathes out is circulating round the room in the same way the heat from a radiator circulates a room.  People open up windows in the morning to let fresh air in.

If you are outside you are much less likely to be breathing in the particles of the people in the vicinity.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.


Compared to other sports thats simply not correct. And saying it perpetuates the problem. No other sport publically flouted the rules. This is not tbe time for wink and nudge culture.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 20, 2020, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo.
If you are inside the air everyone breathes out is circulating round the room in the same way the heat from a radiator circulates a room.  People open up windows in the morning to let fresh air in.

If you are outside you are much less likely to be breathing in the particles of the people in the vicinity.

sorry i understand and accept that  and i think everyone does but the decisions are not based solely on likelihood of transmission was my point and therfore its a nonsense argument. i dont think ive articulated my points very well.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.


Compared to other sports thats simply not correct. And saying it perpetuates the problem. No other sport publically flouted the rules. This is not tbe time for wink and nudge culture.

Care to elaborate on what's not true. None of us know what's done in private with others sports. For one they require assistance before returning to action much like GAA have done.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:15:33 PM
BB, a question. Have you always hated the Association, or is this something that has grown over time?

I think maybe I misinterpreted your inputs on this thread initially, as arising from concern for public health, or just a desire for law abiding citizens.

But your continued incessant desire to see all members of the GAA punished until all members can somehow prove they're toeing the line, combined with your growing rhetoric that the GAA stands alone among sporting organisations for Covid contempt,  just stinks of an anti-GAA agenda. Absolutely stinks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 20, 2020, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.


Compared to other sports thats simply not correct. And saying it perpetuates the problem. No other sport publically flouted the rules. This is not tbe time for wink and nudge culture.

That is 100% not true. I have been to athletics where there was no distancing at all. None. It does just seem like a dig at the Gaa.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.


Compared to other sports thats simply not correct. And saying it perpetuates the problem. No other sport publically flouted the rules. This is not tbe time for wink and nudge culture.

Care to elaborate on what's not true. None of us know what's done in private with others sports. For one they require assistance before returning to action much like GAA have done.

Look at other sports on tv. Fans simply weren't sitting together in groups. 200 was rigorously enforced in the LoI for example, it clearly wasn't at some GAA games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 09:39:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:15:33 PM
BB, a question. Have you always hated the Association, or is this something that has grown over time?

I think maybe I misinterpreted your inputs on this thread initially, as arising from concern for public health, or just a desire for law abiding citizens.

But your continued incessant desire to see all members of the GAA punished until all members can somehow prove they're toeing the line, combined with your growing rhetoric that the GAA stands alone among sporting organisations for Covid contempt,  just stinks of an anti-GAA agenda. Absolutely stinks.

You are a child. Expecting the GAA as a community and sporting body to do the right thing is not an agenda and is not hatred of the association. You got your arse hsnded to you on this thread and are going down that infantile route.

Your belief that the GAA doesn't need to and shouldn't be expected to help stop, or at least not spread, covid is quite frankly worrying. I really hope you are not a committee man
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 20, 2020, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.


Compared to other sports thats simply not correct. And saying it perpetuates the problem. No other sport publically flouted the rules. This is not tbe time for wink and nudge culture.

That is 100% not true. I have been to athletics where there was no distancing at all. None. It does just seem like a dig at the Gaa.

And were they in the wrong?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 20, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
Why are you asking me that? "No other sport publicly flouted the rules". You are wrong. That's my only point.

Everything should be policed with spot checks on businesses, sports events etc etc. It feels quite draconian the whole thing.

Also this isn't just about the GAA. It's about all sports. Has the CMO or somebody else in "authority" said this is specifically about GAA? If they have then fair enough and I have missed it but have they?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:54:06 PM

Got my arse handed to me.

Lol.

It's always good to be judged by someone as impartial as yourself.

I'm a dyed in the wool committee man by the way. I'm that volunteer who you expect to perform a role that the Garda wouldn't do ie forcibly remove a family from a football match because they keep stepping closer to each other.

That I suppose is the fundamental difference between me and you. I will do just about anything to ensure Gaelic Games is played, but having voluntarily marshalled at hundreds of matches, I know how tough that job can be when people react to seemingly simple requests with, astonishment, ignorance or aggression.

My guess is you're the guy who doesn't volunteer, but expects them to eat his shit. You just carry it that way.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 20, 2020, 10:01:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 09:15:33 PM
BB, a question. Have you always hated the Association, or is this something that has grown over time?

I think maybe I misinterpreted your inputs on this thread initially, as arising from concern for public health, or just a desire for law abiding citizens.

But your continued incessant desire to see all members of the GAA punished until all members can somehow prove they're toeing the line, combined with your growing rhetoric that the GAA stands alone among sporting organisations for Covid contempt,  just stinks of an anti-GAA agenda. Absolutely stinks.
Jaysus

When people some people get a bee in their bonnet about something they can really take it to extremes

Back in May I was accused of "wanting the GAA to fail" by another poster because I thought it was far too soon for the GAA to resume activity

People should read Hannah Arendt because posts like the quoted one here can be explained by her

An ideology is an idea taken to its extreme

That idea here is the idea that people are "out to get the GAA", and nothing will persuade the wobbler otherwise

Arendt also wrote that one of the greatest tricks of totalitarians was to turn a statement of fact into a question of motive

Obviously I'm not comparing the wobbler to a totalitarian, but he does show a worrying tendency to use their techniques




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 09:36:14 PM
Look at other sports on tv. Fans simply weren't sitting together in groups. 200 was rigorously enforced in the LoI for example, it clearly wasn't at some GAA games.

To repeat once more the issue was mainly with what goes on before and after matches than what goes on during it. Clarity was sought by the GAA they weren't the only ones confused by these new restrictions and they needed more detail to what's not allowed or is in order to keep games going and that includes grass roots.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 10:08:39 PM
Sid I honestly believe I'm the opposite to a totalitarian.

Let's focus on the case at hand.

The state have closed attendance at sports in outdoor environments. I cannot see the sense of this in isolation, and particularly so when contrasted to the activities that the state continues to permit.

When one of our fellow posters is determined that the state is right, but focuses solely on teaching the GAA a lesson, and not sport in general. And every post sees a further strike against the GAA. I'm surmising that the agenda here is little to to with Covid.

Leave aside our differences. Explain why you've described my inputs here as totalitarian.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 10:08:39 PM
Sid I honestly believe I'm the opposite to a totalitarian.

Let's focus on the case at hand.

The state have closed attendance at sports in outdoor environments. I cannot see the sense of this in isolation, and particularly so when contrasted to the activities that the state continues to permit.

When one of our fellow posters is determined that the state is right, but focuses solely on teaching the GAA a lesson, and not sport in general. And every post sees a further strike against the GAA. I'm surmising that the agenda here is little to to with Covid.

Leave aside our differences. Explain why you've described my inputs here as totalitarian.

Where did I say the state was right?

You are totalitarian in the sense that anyone disagreeing with you is the enemy and has an agenda, isn't on the level. You are coming across quite Gemma O'Doherty, admittedly with far better spelling.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 09:36:14 PM
Look at other sports on tv. Fans simply weren't sitting together in groups. 200 was rigorously enforced in the LoI for example, it clearly wasn't at some GAA games.

To repeat once more the issue was mainly with what goes on before and after matches than what goes on during it. Clarity was sought by the GAA they weren't the only ones confused by these new restrictions and they needed more detail to what's not allowed or is in order to keep games going and that includes grass roots.
I don't disagree with that, but it would be more a more credible position if the rules were enforced.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 07:26:00 PM
If people are picking up Covid at GAA games then cutting off that avenue makes sense. That's just a sensible medical decision. It's also worth noting that for several county boards social distancing was something that was the government's problem and they didn't seem to think the rules applied to them. No point in limiting fans if you let them all sit/stand together. They got a chance alot of other sports didn't get and they screwed it up themselves.
:D
The rugby restarts in Aviva on Sat in empty stadiums, but the IRFU haven't sent a snotty demand through the media for a meeting with the government to demand answers. Why do you think the GAA are being treated badly compared to other sports? Makes no sense

Once again tonight the acting CMO stressed car pooling and congregating after are the main reason for such restrictions.

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.

Anyway it's seems they got their answer on parents allowed to attend games where their children are playing underage games.

The GAA did do a fine job at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. Offering club grounds and Croke Park for testing is just one example.

However to deny they did anything wrong once limited numbers were allowed into grounds is burying your head in the sand and defending the indefensible. Other sports such as athletics might have breached guidelines as well, but none did so on national TV with the nation watching.

The sheer number of cases rising from people attending GAA matches forced the government to act.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 11:04:07 PM
The sheer number of cases rising from people attending GAA matches forced the government to act

The sheer amount of dung in this one sentence could fertilise county Kildare for 3, maybe even 4 summers.

EDIT

(I can't presume the previous poster is wrong, I can only point out that he's making it up)

If supposition could be measured in dung, then this one sentence could fertilise an area the size of Co Kildare for 3, maybe even 4 summers.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 07:26:00 PM
If people are picking up Covid at GAA games then cutting off that avenue makes sense. That's just a sensible medical decision. It's also worth noting that for several county boards social distancing was something that was the government's problem and they didn't seem to think the rules applied to them. No point in limiting fans if you let them all sit/stand together. They got a chance alot of other sports didn't get and they screwed it up themselves.
:D
The rugby restarts in Aviva on Sat in empty stadiums, but the IRFU haven't sent a snotty demand through the media for a meeting with the government to demand answers. Why do you think the GAA are being treated badly compared to other sports? Makes no sense

Once again tonight the acting CMO stressed car pooling and congregating after are the main reason for such restrictions.

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.

Anyway it's seems they got their answer on parents allowed to attend games where their children are playing underage games.

The GAA did do a fine job at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. Offering club grounds and Croke Park for testing is just one example.

However to deny they did anything wrong once limited numbers were allowed into grounds is burying your head in the sand and defending the indefensible. Other sports such as athletics might have breached guidelines as well, but none did so on national TV with the nation watching.

The sheer number of cases rising from people attending GAA matches forced the government to act.
Just one example? I'll give you another. Club members across the country delivered food and other essentials to those that were cocooning.

Read back on previous posts and stop going on about crowd numbers and what they did in attendance. For the record the sheer number of cases rose mostly from indoor clusters.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on August 21, 2020, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 20, 2020, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 20, 2020, 07:26:00 PM
If people are picking up Covid at GAA games then cutting off that avenue makes sense. That's just a sensible medical decision. It's also worth noting that for several county boards social distancing was something that was the government's problem and they didn't seem to think the rules applied to them. No point in limiting fans if you let them all sit/stand together. They got a chance alot of other sports didn't get and they screwed it up themselves.
:D
The rugby restarts in Aviva on Sat in empty stadiums, but the IRFU haven't sent a snotty demand through the media for a meeting with the government to demand answers. Why do you think the GAA are being treated badly compared to other sports? Makes no sense

Once again tonight the acting CMO stressed car pooling and congregating after are the main reason for such restrictions.

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.

Anyway it's seems they got their answer on parents allowed to attend games where their children are playing underage games.

The GAA did do a fine job at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. Offering club grounds and Croke Park for testing is just one example.

However to deny they did anything wrong once limited numbers were allowed into grounds is burying your head in the sand and defending the indefensible. Other sports such as athletics might have breached guidelines as well, but none did so on national TV with the nation watching.

The sheer number of cases rising from people attending GAA matches forced the government to act.
Just one example? I'll give you another. Club members across the country delivered food and other essentials to those that were cocooning.

Read back on previous posts and stop going on about crowd numbers and what they did in attendance. For the record the sheer number of cases rose mostly from indoor clusters.

Jesus not this again. How is this a free pass to flout regulations or to be exempt?
"Ah lads ye were sound at the start delivering food parcels to the old folk so we'll let you work away with your crowds. Those soccer and rugby types will just have live with it."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 21, 2020, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 21, 2020, 12:01:09 AM


Jesus not this again. How is this a free pass to flout regulations or to be exempt?
"Ah lads ye were sound at the start delivering food parcels to the old folk so we'll let you work away with your crowds. Those soccer and rugby types will just have live with it."

Another that thinks games going behind closed doors is because of this. Jesus not this again indeed!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on August 21, 2020, 01:51:49 AM
Why are fans so obsessed with attending games when you can watch on tv
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 21, 2020, 07:12:01 AM
There are a small number of games on tv. Most want to watch their own club and the likelihood of being able to do that is slim to none.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2020, 07:42:03 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 21, 2020, 01:51:49 AM
Why are fans so obsessed with attending games when you can watch on tv
It might just might have something to do with wanting to support their club or county team in person and as tag line said a few years ago, nothing beats being there.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2020, 08:04:20 AM
Seriously, does anyone really think the spike in numbers is largely due to the numbers at games? I'd be at more than 4 games a week.

Junior championship (novel paring) was about 160 spaced around a large field and very well marshalled , Under 16 Championship game there was about 6 people at it, senior championship there was about 150 at it (being generous) the game last night, minor championship, 20, all parents.

We are getting a rise/spike in numbers for a lot of reasons, house parties, funeral gatherings, meat factories, multiple tenants in a small space, travellers (not those ones ;)) and people not adhering to social distancing in shops and restaurants or bars..

To put the blame at GAA games and attendances is easy as some games have been on tv, punish the clubs that don't adhere, don't be punishing every club!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on August 21, 2020, 08:20:43 AM
Are the colleges going back next month, i would be more concerned about them if they are than a few people at a outdoor sports venue. Students sitting in lectures together likely with social distancing in place but 30 or 40 in a 3 bed semi partying till stupid o clock and then heading back to their homes all over the country on a Friday evening will close the country down again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on August 21, 2020, 09:04:00 AM
Theres some thing called freshers flu too
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 21, 2020, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo. There are socio econimic elements also considered in deciding what is restricted and what isnt.  Getting schools back has and still seems to be the priority even though it carries a significant level of risk and obviously takes place indoors. Pubs, restaurents, hotels etc. are open because of the economic benefit not because they are safer than other businesses or activities. Sports are very low down the list but beacuse of health and social benefits id imagine  they decided to allow matches to take place.

what i was saying is the economic benefits appear to be a priority for the government and imo rightly so over sports, the GAA could make the argument by having games and spectators they are suppprting economic recovery which is the governments priority.

its hard to argue against allowing pubs and restaurants open to help peoples livelihoods but then say that events that lead to more attendance at these pubs and restaurants which help people livelihoods that work in these businesses  is bad.

We had an advisor from HSE involved with us at work and he said you are 25 time less to catch it outdoors than indoors and that makes perfect sense to me and I don't think its nonsense at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 21, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2020, 08:04:20 AM
Seriously, does anyone really think the spike in numbers is largely due to the numbers at games? I'd be at more than 4 games a week.

Junior championship (novel paring) was about 160 spaced around a large field and very well marshalled , Under 16 Championship game there was about 6 people at it, senior championship there was about 150 at it (being generous) the game last night, minor championship, 20, all parents.

We are getting a rise/spike in numbers for a lot of reasons, house parties, funeral gatherings, meat factories, multiple tenants in a small space, travellers (not those ones ;)) and people not adhering to social distancing in shops and restaurants or bars..

To put the blame at GAA games and attendances is easy as some games have been on tv, punish the clubs that don't adhere, don't be punishing every club!

Say Strabane play Dungannon, the home clubs stewards won't know who is who from the away fans, and who lives in the same household, so clubs can only do so much. The problem might have already happened by carpooling (on probably a journey of an hour) before they entered the ground.

People need to cop on. If you can't get to the match in your own car, then do the sensible thing and stay at home.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on August 21, 2020, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2020, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 20, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 20, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo. There are socio econimic elements also considered in deciding what is restricted and what isnt.  Getting schools back has and still seems to be the priority even though it carries a significant level of risk and obviously takes place indoors. Pubs, restaurents, hotels etc. are open because of the economic benefit not because they are safer than other businesses or activities. Sports are very low down the list but beacuse of health and social benefits id imagine  they decided to allow matches to take place.

what i was saying is the economic benefits appear to be a priority for the government and imo rightly so over sports, the GAA could make the argument by having games and spectators they are suppprting economic recovery which is the governments priority.

its hard to argue against allowing pubs and restaurants open to help peoples livelihoods but then say that events that lead to more attendance at these pubs and restaurants which help people livelihoods that work in these businesses  is bad.

We had an advisor from HSE involved with us at work and he said you are 25 time less to catch it outdoors than indoors and that makes perfect sense to me and I don't think its nonsense at all.

i really should edit that post...  more chance of transmission indoor v outdoor, that is accepted. its a nonsense argument as the decision to open business/activities is not based soley on risk of transmission, its clear they consider socio economic factors also.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 20, 2020, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

Pretty sure loi teams were letting in 50 supporters, drawn between season ticket holders.

They weren't. They had the option but weren't availing of it. Each club is using a streaming service.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 21, 2020, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 20, 2020, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

Pretty sure loi teams were letting in 50 supporters, drawn between season ticket holders.

They weren't. They had the option but weren't availing of it. Each club is using a streaming service.

A couple did. Most reckoned it wasn't worth the hassle or cost to police.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on August 21, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
So it is pretty clear this decision has not been taken because of the health of the country - its completely down to money.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 21, 2020, 02:03:39 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 20, 2020, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 19, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 19, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases
GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

Pretty sure loi teams were letting in 50 supporters, drawn between season ticket holders.

They weren't. They had the option but weren't availing of it. Each club is using a streaming service.

I can tell you Sligo Rovers had supporters at game drawn from their season ticket holders.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 21, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done

Something to do with 2200 volunteer led clubs versus a dozen semi pro businesses.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.

I never realised the internet only worked in Dublin and people capable providing the service don't exist outside the pale.

The ironic thing is that if a Dublin poster posted such a moronic and ridiculous post like yours he or she'd rightly be ridiculed as an arrogant pr**k.

Wexford for example are just one of multiple county boards providing online streaming of games the last few weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done

Something to do with 2200 volunteer led clubs versus a dozen semi pro businesses.

If you knew anything about LOI football you'd know the camera work at the games is being done by volunteers. FAI are subsidising the costs of the streaming service. GAA are providing streaming for years with their online streaming service for people living outside Ireland.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 21, 2020, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.

I never realised the internet only worked in Dublin and people capable providing the service don't exist outside the pale.

The ironic thing is that if a Dublin poster posted such a moronic and ridiculous post like yours he or she'd rightly be ridiculed as an arrogant pr**k.

Wexford for example are just one of multiple county boards providing online streaming of games the last few weeks.

Many in rural Ireland don't have fast broadband service to be able to stream games onto their TV or PC.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 21, 2020, 08:42:54 PM
Reserve, intermediate, junior etc etc are not going to be streamed. Only the bigger clubs will get streamed. Only a small percentage of clubs will get their games streamed. Sure even look at some counties struggling with the quality of their streaming services and people getting refunds.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 21, 2020, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.

I never realised the internet only worked in Dublin and people capable providing the service don't exist outside the pale.

The ironic thing is that if a Dublin poster posted such a moronic and ridiculous post like yours he or she'd rightly be ridiculed as an arrogant pr**k.

Wexford for example are just one of multiple county boards providing online streaming of games the last few weeks.

Many in rural Ireland don't have fast broadband service to be able to stream games onto their TV or PC.

Some might not, but they are the minority. There is no reason county boards all over the country can't provide a streaming service for games. The GAA have the expertise and the technology and can provide it to county boards. Some people might miss out, but that happens in all walks of life. Not everyone who wants a ticket to the All Ireland final gets one.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.

I never realised the internet only worked in Dublin and people capable providing the service don't exist outside the pale.

The ironic thing is that if a Dublin poster posted such a moronic and ridiculous post like yours he or she'd rightly be ridiculed as an arrogant pr**k.

Wexford for example are just one of multiple county boards providing online streaming of games the last few weeks.
Funny that was more or less my thoughts on you if you add D4.

I'll bet you most clubs in Down don't even have the internet but you wouldn't know as you get X million from Croke Park every year and have 20000 members so could have Jerome Quinn come up and stream your games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 21, 2020, 08:42:54 PM
Reserve, intermediate, junior etc etc are not going to be streamed. Only the bigger clubs will get streamed. Only a small percentage of clubs will get their games streamed. Sure even look at some counties struggling with the quality of their streaming services and people getting refunds.

That applies to all sports. Why should the GAA be any different? The best teams/games are always shown in any sports. We are in the middle a Covid-19 pandemic. Normal rules don't apply. All the other sports have accepted it. Why can't the GAA?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.

I never realised the internet only worked in Dublin and people capable providing the service don't exist outside the pale.

The ironic thing is that if a Dublin poster posted such a moronic and ridiculous post like yours he or she'd rightly be ridiculed as an arrogant pr**k.

Wexford for example are just one of multiple county boards providing online streaming of games the last few weeks.
Funny that was more or less my thoughts on you if you add D4.

I'll bet you most clubs in Down don't even have the internet but you wouldn't know as you get X million from Croke Park every year and have 20000 members so could have Jerome Quinn come up and stream your games.
Ah lad cop on. You're telling me the internet doesn't exist in Down? Even if such nonsense was true that's an issue you need to take up with government and political representatives.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.

I never realised the internet only worked in Dublin and people capable providing the service don't exist outside the pale.

The ironic thing is that if a Dublin poster posted such a moronic and ridiculous post like yours he or she'd rightly be ridiculed as an arrogant pr**k.

Wexford for example are just one of multiple county boards providing online streaming of games the last few weeks.
Funny that was more or less my thoughts on you if you add D4.

I'll bet you most clubs in Down don't even have the internet but you wouldn't know as you get X million from Croke Park every year and have 20000 members so could have Jerome Quinn come up and stream your games.
Ah lad cop on. You're telling me the internet doesn't exist in Down? Even if such nonsense was true that's an issue you need to take up with government and political representatives.
Of course it exists but a club in the middle of nowhere unless they have a bar wouldn't have internet in the club.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done
The GAA exists outside of Dublin and consists of mostly rural less than 500 member clubs.  It's up there with let them eat cake expecting anything outside the top clubs in most counties to be able to set up an online streaming service.

I never realised the internet only worked in Dublin and people capable providing the service don't exist outside the pale.

The ironic thing is that if a Dublin poster posted such a moronic and ridiculous post like yours he or she'd rightly be ridiculed as an arrogant pr**k.

Wexford for example are just one of multiple county boards providing online streaming of games the last few weeks.
Funny that was more or less my thoughts on you if you add D4.

I'll bet you most clubs in Down don't even have the internet but you wouldn't know as you get X million from Croke Park every year and have 20000 members so could have Jerome Quinn come up and stream your games.
Ah lad cop on. You're telling me the internet doesn't exist in Down? Even if such nonsense was true that's an issue you need to take up with government and political representatives.
Of course it exists but a club in the middle of nowhere unless they have a bar wouldn't have internet in the club.
That's just life. No everyone gets everything they want in life. Do you not think exceptions have to be made for this pandemic?

Families can't attend funerals/weddings of close relatives and idiots are complaining they can't see their GAA team play a game of football/hurling. Grow up and cop on
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 21, 2020, 09:49:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 21, 2020, 08:42:54 PM
Reserve, intermediate, junior etc etc are not going to be streamed. Only the bigger clubs will get streamed. Only a small percentage of clubs will get their games streamed. Sure even look at some counties struggling with the quality of their streaming services and people getting refunds.
The Ros Inter game between Ballinameen and St Aidans was streamed or YouTubed or something last Wednesday night.
Commentary by an Aidans man. Those who saw it were raving about the quality of it, post match interviews and all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 21, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done

Something to do with 2200 volunteer led clubs versus a dozen semi pro businesses.
Thats patronising bullshit. Soccer clubs put in exactly the same effort and add to the countries social capital too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 21, 2020, 11:54:53 PM
Yer a great man for th'oul soccerball.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 22, 2020, 12:03:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 21, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done

Something to do with 2200 volunteer led clubs versus a dozen semi pro businesses.
Thats patronising bullshit. Soccer clubs put in exactly the same effort and add to the countries social capital too.

It's the off season for junior soccer. I'd expect you know this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 22, 2020, 12:38:46 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2020, 12:03:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 21, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 21, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Yeah checked there Sligo had, Finn Harps
Dundalk, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers  St Pats hadn't

Bohemians and Shelburne are also not allowing fans to attend. Only Sligo and Finn Harps in the Premier Division are allowing small no of fans to attend.

LOI fans have a streaming service which is working well so fans can watch games online. Why should the GAA be different? GAA fans have no justification to demand they be allowed attend games. GAA need to accept the decision like all the other sporting organizations in this country have done

Something to do with 2200 volunteer led clubs versus a dozen semi pro businesses.
Thats patronising bullshit. Soccer clubs put in exactly the same effort and add to the countries social capital too.

It's the off season for junior soccer. I'd expect you know this.

I understand they are tidying up leagues.soccer is in full swing. But its a very irritating line that other sports volunteerism is less valid than ours. I can understand why that line causes offence.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 22, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
Genuine question.

This weekend games all being played behind closed doors. Imbon my clubs executive and I will be at the games due to my role. If johnny thickass turns up cos he thinks the government are corrupt and enters the ground to watch the match, what exactly are me or the club executive committee supposed to do?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on August 22, 2020, 03:18:53 PM
Would it depend on whether he's allowed to walk in through the gate/turnstile, or whether he climbs the perimeter fence?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on August 22, 2020, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
Genuine question.

This weekend games all being played behind closed doors. Imbon my clubs executive and I will be at the games due to my role. If johnny thickass turns up cos he thinks the government are corrupt and enters the ground to watch the match, what exactly are me or the club executive committee supposed to do?

Taser him.

And were a mask and gloves before rifling through his pockets
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 22, 2020, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
Genuine question.

This weekend games all being played behind closed doors. Imbon my clubs executive and I will be at the games due to my role. If johnny thickass turns up cos he thinks the government are corrupt and enters the ground to watch the match, what exactly are me or the club executive committee supposed to do?

First close the gates so that people cannot wander in.
Second if people climb over the wall etc ask them to leave. If they do not, then make sure they are not welcome in the club in future.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2020, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
Genuine question.

This weekend games all being played behind closed doors. Imbon my clubs executive and I will be at the games due to my role. If johnny thickass turns up cos he thinks the government are corrupt and enters the ground to watch the match, what exactly are me or the club executive committee supposed to do?

Let him look after the jerseys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuypxE-EP9c
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 23, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
Genuine question.

This weekend games all being played behind closed doors. Imbon my clubs executive and I will be at the games due to my role. If johnny thickass turns up cos he thinks the government are corrupt and enters the ground to watch the match, what exactly are me or the club executive committee supposed to do?

What would you do if he entered the frounds to steal from cars ot take sly pictures of kids? You reef him out of it or call the cops.

These questions are a bit silly
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 23, 2020, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 22, 2020, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
Genuine question.

This weekend games all being played behind closed doors. Imbon my clubs executive and I will be at the games due to my role. If johnny thickass turns up cos he thinks the government are corrupt and enters the ground to watch the match, what exactly are me or the club executive committee supposed to do?

First close the gates so that people cannot wander in.
Second if people climb over the wall etc ask them to leave. If they do not, then make sure they are not welcome in the club in future.

Remove them as club members? That's what i was thinking. Our grounds are not completely enclosed, there are a number of gates which are locked but easy to climb over. Am I am talking about 1/2 families, and I am sure every club has them, that think of the rules as being for everyone else except them.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 23, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
John Horan on the radio there. My understanding of what he said was that they would proceed with inter-county and would borrow money. If in the middle of the championship one county gets locked down then tough, this is what happened in the past for foot and mouth.
So with few cases in Kerry then the obvious thing to do is for the Kerry board to surreptitiously sponsor a monster rave and love in event in Dublin towards the end of the championship, then play the final against Mayo/Tyrone/Galway etc in Thurles.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 23, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
Didnt hear it but presumably it's to get media and sponsors' money?
Not much "all in it together" if a County will be eliminated due to a local lockdown etc.
And no supporters allowed in?
Will the "soft support" ever come back?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on August 23, 2020, 02:35:41 PM
It's a farce, finish off the club season, try and maybe run off the last two rounds of the league and then see how things are in 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on August 23, 2020, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 23, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
Didnt hear it but presumably it's to get media and sponsors' money?
Not much "all in it together" if a County will be eliminated due to a local lockdown etc.

WIth this Covid you can close everything or do what you can.
You also have to keep the GAA in the public eye, especially if there is non stop soccer 5 days a week on TV.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on August 23, 2020, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 23, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
Didnt hear it but presumably it's to get media and sponsors' money?
Not much "all in it together" if a County will be eliminated due to a local lockdown etc.
And no supporters allowed in?
Will the "soft support" ever come back?

What's 'soft support'?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on August 23, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0823/1160803-counties-step-aside-covid-outbreaks/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on August 23, 2020, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 23, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0823/1160803-counties-step-aside-covid-outbreaks/
The rural Covid afflicted will be stalking Dublin footballers to try and infect them and deny them six in a row by default

The Rasputin All-Ireland
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 23, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
Fists are flying in Monaghan

https://mobile.twitter.com/ballsdotie/status/1297557207010217986
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 24, 2020, 12:05:17 AM
Be interesting to see how this plans out bearing in kind Horan's comnents today

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0823/1160834-dublin-gaa-club-forfeits-match-over-covid-19-concerns/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on August 24, 2020, 09:32:13 AM
disgraceful scenes some clown that look to be an old or middle age man decided to start throwing punches at a player.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on August 24, 2020, 12:09:40 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 24, 2020, 09:32:13 AM
disgraceful scenes some clown that look to be an old or middle age man decided to start throwing punches at a player.

Sure that was in Monaghan, it is part of their culture. If they met Covid they'd fist fight it too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 24, 2020, 02:55:11 PM
Hmm 🤔

https://www.the42.ie/taoiseach-gaa-championship-2020-5184294-Aug2020/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 27, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
The Cavan county board chairman Kieran Callaghan didn't hold back on his opinion on not allowing supporters attend club games. I don't agree with all he said but he talked some sense here.

Quote
It's actually creating so many other unsafe situations and I urge spectators not to put themselves or anyone else at risk," says Callaghan.

"At the weekend, we had people on roofs of sheds, people on other properties. We had numerous incidents with people trying to see the games.

"Along the N3 on a busy Saturday evening, we had cars parked on both sides of the road where people went into adjacent properties to watch a game.

"It was so dangerous. This is actually worse than anything because we are driving people away from a safe environment and towards unsafe environments.

"The games are being streamed now and we have people congregating in public houses and hotels to watch them – we are actually driving people indoors instead of outdoors.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
He has some points, but they are providing a streaming service for a reason so people can see the games. Not to sit on the roof of a shed.
The Rugby returned last week with the provinces, with each Squad being tested.
Gaa are lucky there is games at all with no testing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 27, 2020, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
He has some points, but they are providing a streaming service for a reason so people can see the games. Not to sit on the roof of a shed.
The Rugby returned last week with the provinces, with each Squad being tested.
Gaa are lucky there is games at all with no testing.

The aim of testing rugby players and any other sport team players is to have minimal disruption of games. All team sports are allowed to be played on this island on the advice of medical experts so nothing lucky about it
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
He has some points, but they are providing a streaming service for a reason so people can see the games. Not to sit on the roof of a shed.
The Rugby returned last week with the provinces, with each Squad being tested.
Gaa are lucky there is games at all with no testing.

You cannot compare professional organisations, whose stadiums are purposely built to minimise the potential for gate jumpers, with small GAA clubs whose playing fields bump uglies with, among other things: community centres, railway lines, factories, beaches, apartment blocks, commercial buildings, back country roads, soccer fields, council play parks, rolling drumlins and housing estates. All of which can on some occasions provide an opportunity for watching a game while not entering the grounds (sometimes with the aid of a hoist of some description), or an entry point to the grounds that is difficult to block off.

This is the Cavan chairman's point. There is no rugby angle here. Unless you're talking about club rugby grounds.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:00:14 PM


This is the Cavan chairman's point. There is no rugby angle here. Unless you're talking about club rugby grounds.

I think the point as made earlier in the thread is that rugby and soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams, presumably because they know the club will lash them out of it if they physically present. So they don't. The GAA seem not to be able to get this message across.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:31:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:00:14 PM


This is the Cavan chairman's point. There is no rugby angle here. Unless you're talking about club rugby grounds.

I think the point as made earlier in the thread is that rugby and soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams, presumably because they know the club will lash them out of it if they physically present. So they don't. The GAA seem not to be able to get this message across.


You're not comparing like with like and you know it. Which is why you're ignoring the other point I made above. Closing a stadium is much easier than closing a playing field.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on August 27, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
The lesson for all of us is that we can follow some nuanced rules even if we don't like or understand them all or we can be given 1 very simple rule to follow. Better to work with what we have
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 27, 2020, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
He has some points, but they are providing a streaming service for a reason so people can see the games. Not to sit on the roof of a shed.
The Rugby returned last week with the provinces, with each Squad being tested.
Gaa are lucky there is games at all with no testing.

The aim of testing rugby players and any other sport team players is to have minimal disruption of games. All team sports are allowed to be played on this island on the advice of medical experts so nothing lucky about it
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 27, 2020, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
He has some points, but they are providing a streaming service for a reason so people can see the games. Not to sit on the roof of a shed.
The Rugby returned last week with the provinces, with each Squad being tested.
Gaa are lucky there is games at all with no testing.

The aim of testing rugby players and any other sport team players is to have minimal disruption of games. All team sports are allowed to be played on this island on the advice of medical experts so nothing lucky about it

There has been cases of clubs not reporting cases just so games could to be played.
The medical experts will be at work in October, players arriving to games in cars and travelling back home an hour after playing a game without showering. That's how the inter County championships is looking like

Medical experts only offer advicee, they don't insist games should be played.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:31:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:00:14 PM


This is the Cavan chairman's point. There is no rugby angle here. Unless you're talking about club rugby grounds.

I think the point as made earlier in the thread is that rugby and soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams, presumably because they know the club will lash them out of it if they physically present. So they don't. The GAA seem not to be able to get this message across.


You're not comparing like with like and you know it. Which is why you're ignoring the other point I made above. Closing a stadium is much easier than closing a playing field.

But none of us are hearing about soccer and rugby clubs just shrugging ther shoulders and letting people in.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 27, 2020, 08:38:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 08:13:31 PM
Medical experts only offer advicee, they don't insist games should be played.

That advice is what this current government base its decisions and current restrictions on.

From acting CMO Ronan Glynn

Quote
We're saying sport can continue.

Sport and physical activity has a fundamental role to play in our society generally but particularly at a time like what we're going through at the moment and we haven't had significant issues arising out of sport per se. So you'll note that the measures that were recommended were not aimed at stopping sport

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:31:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:00:14 PM


This is the Cavan chairman's point. There is no rugby angle here. Unless you're talking about club rugby grounds.

I think the point as made earlier in the thread is that rugby and soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams, presumably because they know the club will lash them out of it if they physically present. So they don't. The GAA seem not to be able to get this message across.


You're not comparing like with like and you know it. Which is why you're ignoring the other point I made above. Closing a stadium is much easier than closing a playing field.

But none of us are hearing about soccer and rugby clubs just shrugging ther shoulders and letting people in.

And only one of us is comparing professional rugby to club GAA.

Wait until the junior and intermediate soccer leagues are underway, and All Ireland club rugby is underway. At that point you'll have a valid comparison on the capacity of volunteers in non-enclosed playing fields.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 08:43:39 PM
Yes but they will either have to test the County players or reconsider playing it. They are playing it in when the flu season starts. They are only learning more about the virus as the weeks go on. From not wearing marks to insisting on wearing masks in public places.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:31:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2020, 07:00:14 PM


This is the Cavan chairman's point. There is no rugby angle here. Unless you're talking about club rugby grounds.

I think the point as made earlier in the thread is that rugby and soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams, presumably because they know the club will lash them out of it if they physically present. So they don't. The GAA seem not to be able to get this message across.


You're not comparing like with like and you know it. Which is why you're ignoring the other point I made above. Closing a stadium is much easier than closing a playing field.

But none of us are hearing about soccer and rugby clubs just shrugging ther shoulders and letting people in.

And only one of us is comparing professional rugby to club GAA.

Wait until the junior and intermediate soccer leagues are underway, and All Ireland club rugby is underway. At that point you'll have a valid comparison on the capacity of volunteers in non-enclosed playing fields.

They are underway...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 27, 2020, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 08:43:39 PM
Yes but they will either have to test the County players or reconsider playing it. They are playing it in when the flu season starts. They are only learning more about the virus as the weeks go on. From not wearing marks to insisting on wearing masks in public places.
I'd wonder what was learnt is the main reason for our current low number of cases requiring hospital treatment.

I can imagine it will be same testing policy in place as the club game if Inter County returns in October. I forsee bigger issues with schools than the flu season. Many county players are teachers and it remains to be seen how bad the flu will be this winter when many of the population are wearing mask and social distancing in public.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on August 27, 2020, 09:18:22 PM
Teachers and doctors. The main reason Jack McCaffrey stepped away from Dublin, was that his work in the front line as a doctor wouldn't be compatible to plating County Football in October /November with this virus.

County panels could have a lot of different faces.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 01:28:17 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 27, 2020, 07:23:52 PM


I think the point as made earlier in the thread is that rugby and soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams, presumably because they know the club will lash them out of it if they physically present. So they don't. The GAA seem not to be able to get this message across.

Fans outside Tallaght Stadium watching Shamrock Rovers 12-11 penalty shoot-out win in the Europa League last night

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egf0VAwU4AAz79T?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
....outside....

And they will still be fined.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
....outside....

And they will still be fined.
Yes outside and not at home watching as you claim other sports supporters do. Fined by whom?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 29, 2020, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
....outside....

And they will still be fined.
Yes outside and not at home watching as you claim other sports supporters do. Fined by whom?

I assume he means that the FAI will attempt to fine a club that has had its income decimated, for not fencing off land its doesn't own.

Can't see it myself.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
....outside....

And they will still be fined.
Yes outside and not at home watching as you claim other sports supporters do. Fined by whom?

I understand thst there were issues with the stream and a group who were watching in a nearby pub stood on a wall to watch the shootout.

Its not quite the same thing as allowing too many in and not soxially dustancing, is it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 29, 2020, 09:15:07 PM
People watching matches in pubs.

People taking safety risks to watch matches from the perimeter.

Would it maybe not be safer to allow 10% capacity within the ground ?

I believe this was the nun of the Cavan chairman's point.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 09:15:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
....outside....

And they will still be fined.
Yes outside and not at home watching as you claim other sports supporters do. Fined by whom?

I understand thst there were issues with the stream and a group who were watching in a nearby pub stood on a wall to watch the shootout.

Its not quite the same thing as allowing too many in and not soxially dustancing, is it?
You are a great man for the excuses.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 29, 2020, 09:23:30 PM
I'm guessing that 2,500 didn't car pool to that match like 200 to GAA matches did?

[(https://i.ibb.co/J5ZXT4W/Screenshot-20200829-211842-2.png) (https://ibb.co/m6pQKwr)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on August 29, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
11 deaths in the south in August and we dont even know if those people died 'with' or 'from' covid 19. Is it all a bit OTT?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 09:15:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
....outside....

And they will still be fined.
Yes outside and not at home watching as you claim other sports supporters do. Fined by whom?

I understand thst there were issues with the stream and a group who were watching in a nearby pub stood on a wall to watch the shootout.

Its not quite the same thing as allowing too many in and not soxially dustancing, is it?
You are a great man for the excuses.

I don't really care if 10 lads stood on a wall in Tallaght. It doesn't somehow mean the GAA did everything right
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 29, 2020, 10:50:59 PM

Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on August 29, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
11 deaths in the south in August and we dont even know if those people died 'with' or 'from' covid 19. Is it all a bit OTT?

14 by my count but as you said If with or from covid and a good number of those deaths didn't happen in August. Micheál Martin is ultra cautious and new health minister Stephen Donnelly is a fear monger totally out of his depth. He's making Simon Harris look highly  competent in comparison.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on August 30, 2020, 12:21:23 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:27 PM
....outside....

And they will still be fined.
Yes outside and not at home watching as you claim other sports supporters do. Fined by whom?

I understand thst there were issues with the stream and a group who were watching in a nearby pub stood on a wall to watch the shootout.

Its not quite the same thing as allowing too many in and not soxially dustancing, is it?

In how many cases have too many been let in?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2020, 01:29:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 10:48:59 PM
.I don't really care if 10 lads stood on a wall in Tallaght. It doesn’t somehow mean the GAA did everything right
It was a lot more than 10 lads, That was one of many images of supporters outside watching a behind closed door game

Other sports didn't do everything right either.  You don't care now after evidence of your claim that soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams because they get this message unlike GAA supporters has proven to be false.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on August 30, 2020, 09:41:29 AM
So how come in Tyrone it's ok for teams to huddle continuously before during after games, spectators to sit side by side in a 20,000 capacity stadium, throw in a few more than the allocated 400, allow spectators after the game to come on to field and gather in a crowd of over 100 and hug hug hug. If this happened in a pub, the pub  getshuts down! Even though thousands are watching this happen live on Tv. No matter what side ur on this send the wrong message out. Expect more of this in coming weeks .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 30, 2020, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 30, 2020, 09:41:29 AM
So how come in Tyrone it's ok for teams to huddle continuously before during after games, spectators to sit side by side in a 20,000 capacity stadium, throw in a few more than the allocated 400, allow spectators after the game to come on to field and gather in a crowd of over 100 and hug hug hug. If this happened in a pub, the pub  getshuts down! Even though thousands are watching this happen live on Tv. No matter what side ur on this send the wrong message out. Expect more of this in coming weeks .

How come it's okay for you to make a pile of assumptions and subjective assessments?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on August 30, 2020, 10:25:51 AM
There must be some awful large families in Trí Leac and Coill Uí Clochair ::)
Meanwhile Brigin has reverted to his default position of "Soccer good Gah bad"
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on August 30, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
It was on TV for all to see. Those things happened , huddles hugs no social distancing . Did it not??Again today only 300 fans at Errigal game today?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2020, 01:29:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 10:48:59 PM
.I don't really care if 10 lads stood on a wall in Tallaght. It doesn't somehow mean the GAA did everything right
It was a lot more than 10 lads, That was one of many images of supporters outside watching a behind closed door game

Other sports didn't do everything right either.  You don't care now after evidence of your claim that soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams because they get this message unlike GAA supporters has proven to be false.

Show us those pictures then.

The point remains there are numerous examples of the GAA doing it wrong and one example in any other sport of what might be wrong, but is defout of there control but the will still be punished
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2020, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2020, 01:29:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 10:48:59 PM
.I don't really care if 10 lads stood on a wall in Tallaght. It doesn't somehow mean the GAA did everything right
It was a lot more than 10 lads, That was one of many images of supporters outside watching a behind closed door game

Other sports didn't do everything right either.  You don't care now after evidence of your claim that soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams because they get this message unlike GAA supporters has proven to be false.

Show us those pictures then.

The point remains there are numerous examples of the GAA doing it wrong and one example in any other sport of what might be wrong, but is defout of there control but the will still be punished
Pointless doing that as you will only brush them off in the same manner. Your point was wrong time to move on and realise its not solely a GAA problem as much as you want to criticise and single it out. I highly doubt anyone watching games outside will be getting punished.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on August 31, 2020, 01:44:34 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2020, 10:25:51 AM
There must be some awful large families in Trí Leac and Coill Uí Clochair ::)
Meanwhile Brigin has reverted to his default position of "Soccer good Gah bad"
Soccer bad, seeing as it took the supreme Shamrock rovers all night to barely scrape past  a mid table Baltic team from one of the lowest leagues in Europe.
It wasn't just the wild inebriated fans that brought Rovers into disrepute but the team were woeful. A team from the Faroes managed to put 4 goals past their Baltic rivals, that would be the equivalent of Achill Island reserves.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 31, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 31, 2020, 01:44:34 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2020, 10:25:51 AM
There must be some awful large families in Trí Leac and Coill Uí Clochair ::)
Meanwhile Brigin has reverted to his default position of "Soccer good Gah bad"
Soccer bad, seeing as it took the supreme Shamrock rovers all night to barely scrape past  a mid table Baltic team from one of the lowest leagues in Europe.
It wasn't just the wild inebriated fans that brought Rovers into disrepute but the team were woeful. A team from the Faroes managed to put 4 goals past their Baltic rivals, that would be the equivalent of Achill Island reserves.

Finland is in the Baltics?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 31, 2020, 09:33:23 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2020, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2020, 01:29:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 29, 2020, 10:48:59 PM
.I don't really care if 10 lads stood on a wall in Tallaght. It doesn't somehow mean the GAA did everything right
It was a lot more than 10 lads, That was one of many images of supporters outside watching a behind closed door game

Other sports didn't do everything right either.  You don't care now after evidence of your claim that soccer fans are staying at home and watching streams because they get this message unlike GAA supporters has proven to be false.

Show us those pictures then.

The point remains there are numerous examples of the GAA doing it wrong and one example in any other sport of what might be wrong, but is defout of there control but the will still be punished
Pointless doing that as you will only brush them off in the same manner. Your point was wrong time to move on and realise its not solely a GAA problem as much as you want to criticise and single it out. I highly doubt anyone watching games outside will be getting punished.

I never said it was soely a GAA problem. I said the GAA handling of crowds was poor and very visibly poor. Some Rovers fans standing on a wall doesn't change that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on August 31, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
Drawn against AC Milan the some will be become many standing outside. UEFA are as well to start allowing fans in as England did at the weekend for that challenge.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on August 31, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 31, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
Drawn against AC Milan the some will be become many standing outside. UEFA are as well to start allowing fans in as England did at the weekend for that challenge.

I don't think it's UEFA's definitely tbf
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 01, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
Sport in Ireland linked to at least 55 cases in August

The GAA can shut up moaning now
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 01, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-clubs-in-skerries-shut-doors-amid-local-concerns-following-face-licking-covid-video-39493752.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2020, 10:10:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-clubs-in-skerries-shut-doors-amid-local-concerns-following-face-licking-covid-video-39493752.html

f**king shower of twats - guessing who'll be infected next. I'm sure the sports clubs there are thinking the same way. >:(

Ok, I over did it with the excessive language, but what the hell were they thinking?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on September 01, 2020, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 01, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
Sport in Ireland linked to at least 55 cases in August

The GAA can shut up moaning now

yes, how dare they ask for the data that been generated within their own association. I mean, it might tell them how well or not they are doing at implementing the rules imposed on them or something stupid like that
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2020, 10:10:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-clubs-in-skerries-shut-doors-amid-local-concerns-following-face-licking-covid-video-39493752.html

f**king shower of twats - guessing who'll be infected next. I'm sure the sports clubs there are thinking the same way. >:(

Ok, I over did it with the excessive language, but what the hell were they thinking?

Prety much everything sports wise in Skerries is locked down.

Thats what happens when your town is known for molesting goats
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-clubs-in-skerries-shut-doors-amid-local-concerns-following-face-licking-covid-video-39493752.html

Another increase in Dublin case numbers expected this evening I'd wonder how many have come from such stupidity.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 01, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
Sport in Ireland linked to at least 55 cases in August

The GAA can shut up moaning now

Can you break it down a little more.

How many of the 55 are GAA related?

How many from fellas standing outside watching a game?

How many from car pooling?

GAA heads seeking logic on decisions made should not be told to shut up.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 01, 2020, 05:25:04 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-clubs-in-skerries-shut-doors-amid-local-concerns-following-face-licking-covid-video-39493752.html

Another increase in Dublin case numbers expected this evening I'd wonder how many have come from such stupidity.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 01, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
Sport in Ireland linked to at least 55 cases in August

The GAA can shut up moaning now

Can you break it down a little more.

How many of the 55 are GAA related?

How many from fellas standing outside watching a game?

How many from car pooling?

GAA heads seeking logic on decisions made should not be told to shut up.
I think most reasonable people would agree that GAA people seeking special treatment at the expense of the rest of society should indeed be told to shut up, and firmly so
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 06:53:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 01, 2020, 05:25:04 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-clubs-in-skerries-shut-doors-amid-local-concerns-following-face-licking-covid-video-39493752.html

Another increase in Dublin case numbers expected this evening I'd wonder how many have come from such stupidity.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 01, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
Sport in Ireland linked to at least 55 cases in August

The GAA can shut up moaning now

Can you break it down a little more.

How many of the 55 are GAA related?

How many from fellas standing outside watching a game?

How many from car pooling?

GAA heads seeking logic on decisions made should not be told to shut up.
I think most reasonable people would agree that GAA people seeking special treatment at the expense of the rest of society should indeed be told to shut up, and firmly so

I'm as reasonable as they come. Logic was seeked not special treatment.

And I'm still waiting for that breakdown.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 01, 2020, 07:25:58 PM
It was Horan's reaction summoning the NPHET to come in and explain themselves as if he was in charge of the Country.
A statement expressing disappointment followed by a few quiet phone call would have been the way to go.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:29:37 PM
Yeah, it's surprising Dr Glynn didn't reply sooner. Just a pandemic, a dilemma over school's opening..

A parent attending  a under age match would have been necessary anyway with social protection.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?

Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:29:37 PM

A parent attending  a under age match would have been necessary anyway with social protection.

It was first believed parents were only allowed to bring the child to matches and wait outside until games and training was over.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on September 02, 2020, 05:13:06 PM
He likely has plenty other issues to contend with. Replying to the GAA wouldn't have been top priority.  Publicans looking to open after being closed for 6 months,  tourists entering the country with no quarantine. Schools looking for more guidance on how to deal with the virus, and class numbers being restructured.

The GAA crowd ban is until the 13th of September, they have a time frame unlike say a publican,
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on September 02, 2020, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

It clearly isnt the same thing.

Dont let the lies get in the way of trying to justify your agenda
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 02, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

Not the same. The only thing that HQ GAA did wrong was using social media for such an invitation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 02, 2020, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

It clearly isnt the same thing.

Dont let the lies get in the way of trying to justify your agenda

Agenda? Go on...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 02, 2020, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 02, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

Not the same. The only thing that HQ GAA did wrong was using social media for such an invitation.
That's a pretty serious mistake

In a pandemic, if an organisation has dirty laundry they want to air, it's a bad idea to do it in public, because it is not only very bad publicity for the organisation that does so, but it promotes a culture of breaking of the rules in society at large - and especially when it comes from an organisation so influential as the GAA
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on September 03, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 02, 2020, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

It clearly isnt the same thing.

Dont let the lies get in the way of trying to justify your agenda

Agenda? Go on...

So have we confirmed they arent the same thing?

Agenda - all things GAH = bad
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 03, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 03, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 02, 2020, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

It clearly isnt the same thing.

Dont let the lies get in the way of trying to justify your agenda

Agenda? Go on...

So have we confirmed they arent the same thing?

Agenda - all things GAH = bad

Thats demeaning.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 03, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 02, 2020, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 02, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

Not the same. The only thing that HQ GAA did wrong was using social media for such an invitation.
That's a pretty serious mistake

In a pandemic, if an organisation has dirty laundry they want to air, it's a bad idea to do it in public, because it is not only very bad publicity for the organisation that does so, but it promotes a culture of breaking of the rules in society at large - and especially when it comes from an organisation so influential as the GAA

Dirty laundry? Clarity was sought and Stephen Donnelly has since admitted that the new restrictions had cause confusion.

Such questions are asked in private. A mistake was to use social media but not a serious mistake.  Allowing clusters break out in poorly controlled indoor settings and the way the virus was allowed spread like wild fire during the peak in nursing homes was pretty serious mistakes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 03, 2020, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 03, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 02, 2020, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 02, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

Not the same. The only thing that HQ GAA did wrong was using social media for such an invitation.
That's a pretty serious mistake

In a pandemic, if an organisation has dirty laundry they want to air, it's a bad idea to do it in public, because it is not only very bad publicity for the organisation that does so, but it promotes a culture of breaking of the rules in society at large - and especially when it comes from an organisation so influential as the GAA

Dirty laundry? Clarity was sought and Stephen Donnelly has since admitted that the new restrictions had cause confusion.

Such questions are asked in private. A mistake was to use social media but not a serious mistake.  Allowing clusters break out in poorly controlled indoor settings and the way the virus was allowed spread like wild fire during the peak in nursing homes was pretty serious mistakes.
The GAA asked the questions and pointed the fingers in public unfortunately, and several prominent GAA pundits jumped on the bandwagon

Stuff like that has a negative knock on effect in terms of public willingness to comply with restrictions

Of course mistakes were made in the initial wave - therefore it's all the more baffling that people would be questioning a cautious approach now so that more mistakes are not made

We saw this when the lockdown was enforced on Kildare - blowhards all over the place complaining about it

Yet the decision to enforce that lockdown on Kildare was proven entirely correct

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on September 03, 2020, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 03, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 03, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 02, 2020, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

It clearly isnt the same thing.

Dont let the lies get in the way of trying to justify your agenda

Agenda? Go on...

So have we confirmed they arent the same thing?

Agenda - all things GAH = bad

Thats demeaning.

For who?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 03, 2020, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 03, 2020, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 03, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 03, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 02, 2020, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
They seeked logic in a arrogant way, calling the decision ridiculous, when it was NPET who had the evidence and not the GAA. They might have got a reply had they went about it better.

Got no reply so far and Dr Glynn said he would meet with them and I doubt he'll tell them to shut up. GAA was left confused by the decisions and had to asked was it ok to allow parents at underage games. Was doing that arrogant also?

Other sports managed to ask that question without making demands

Demands such as?


A meeting with NEPHAT and to see the underlying analysis. Keep up please.

Their firsr call should have been to other sports bodies to organise a united front.

Wasn't a demand. The statement clearly states, the association issued an invitation to Dr Glynn to meet with its Covid Advisory Group.

Demand, invitation. Its the same thing. They pushed back where others didn't. And crucially it didn't work. It was a bad look.

It clearly isnt the same thing.

Dont let the lies get in the way of trying to justify your agenda

Agenda? Go on...

So have we confirmed they arent the same thing?

Agenda - all things GAH = bad

Thats demeaning.

For who?

You. That was an easy one.

If we can't discuss the GAA whats the point of the forum?

Why jump on me versus the dozens of posters raising questions?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 03, 2020, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2020, 01:56:55 PM
The GAA asked the questions and pointed the fingers in public unfortunately, and several prominent GAA pundits jumped on the bandwagon

Stuff like that has a negative knock on effect in terms of public willingness to comply with restrictions

Of course mistakes were made in the initial wave - therefore it's all the more baffling that people would be questioning a cautious approach now so that more mistakes are not made

We saw this when the lockdown was enforced on Kildare - blowhards all over the place complaining about it

Yet the decision to enforce that lockdown on Kildare was proven entirely correct

I think most would agree that such bandwagon jumping wouldn't have happened at all if the statement was given in private instead of the platform for all to see on social media.

Debatable what they did with Kildare was entirely correct as parts of Kildare many miles from the indoor outbreaks had low number of cases during the restrictions but businesses there was punished due to the mistakes of others.

Going by Leo Varadkar recent comments i think if he was still An Taoiseach at least 200 would be allowed at outdoor sports and "wet" under strict restrictions would be open right now. Instead we have a cautious An Taoiseach who chose to take steps back than forward. His road map for living with virus to be published soon and it will be interesting to see will he take on board the opinions of others in the Dáil or stick with his cautious approach.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 03, 2020, 03:32:31 PM
The whole Cabinet decides those things I imagine, not just the Taoiseach??
Leo seems to be taking on the Barry Cowen role of giving out about Government decisions.
At least Cowen was only part of Confidence/Supply not the Tánaiste.
Has there been or is there to be a formal decision by GAA to go ahead with Inter County as planned?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 03, 2020, 04:59:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2020, 03:32:31 PM
The whole Cabinet decides those things I imagine, not just theTaoiseach ??
Leo seems to be taking on the Barry Cowen role of giving out about Government decisions.
At least Cowen was only part of Confidence/Supply not the Tánaiste.
Has there been or is there to be a formal decision by GAA to go ahead with Inter County as planned?

Taoiseach and minster of Health have the biggest influence on the final decisions, taking heed more of NPHET than the opposition. No fan of Leo but he's playing a blinder, if Martin signs off on lifting current restrictions in place on September 13th the praise will go towards Leo and Co for the pressure they applied, if he decides to kick the can further down the road Martin will look even more cautious.

The GAA i can imagine have plans in place ready to publish but playing a waiting game to see what new rules this government will put in place.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 04, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
In England to date Soccer and Rubby have been played in front of no fans. And these are hard core capitalist outfits. There is no way that GAA intercounty matches are going to to have spectators unless the Premier League and the RFU come up with something first.
So this means it is tricky. On the one hand it would be a pity not to have a 2020 all Ireland. On the other hand with no fans what is the point?
In England some clubs want all matches to be relevised if fans are excuded. Imagine RTE being asked to do the same.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 04, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
They've started experimenting with fans being back. Chelsea Brighton friendly(I think) had them.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 04, 2020, 11:02:36 AM
As far as I know the English soccer has pencilled in the 1st weekend in October for limited no of spectators.
Amateur and low level sport is now allowed 300 spectators in Engkand.
I think Scotland are still behind closed doors like us.

Wouldn't it be great if top level professional soccer was to lose
€£$Billions and bring reality back into it.
To think some players get paid the same as 250 Nurses.

An inter County SFC and SHC with no spectators is a terrible prospect.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 04, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0904/1163171-coronavirus-sport/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 04, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0904/1163171-coronavirus-sport/
See what happens when you present a united front?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 04, 2020, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 04, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0904/1163171-coronavirus-sport/
See what happens when you present a united front?

More like what happens when one sport issues an invitation.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 04, 2020, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 04, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0904/1163171-coronavirus-sport/
See what happens when you present a united front?

1 metre social distancing should allow 1/4 of pre covid attendance. Rugby really needs the money.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 04, 2020, 07:11:34 PM
Hopefully no spectators allowed at rubby so :D

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2020, 12:00:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 04, 2020, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 04, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0904/1163171-coronavirus-sport/
See what happens when you present a united front?

1 metre social distancing should allow 1/4 of pre covid attendance. Rugby really needs the money.

Would be an awful shame if our social betters in rugby country(tm) had an FAI like financial meltdown and the media shone a light on their finances.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 10:00:36 PM
Watching Tyrone semi tonight all spectators should be banned. No social distancing, shouting and roaring on top of each other and then another pitch invasion . Unless of course that's a bubble of 150! Handshaking Hugging galore , finals will be worst and there is gonna be mass gatherings in towns that win championships.  If this is allowed then just let us all get back to normal
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2020, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 10:00:36 PM
Watching Tyrone semi tonight all spectators should be banned. No social distancing, shouting and roaring on top of each other and then another pitch invasion . Unless of course that's a bubble of 150! Handshaking Hugging galore , finals will be worst and there is gonna be mass gatherings in towns that win championships.  If this is allowed then just let us all get back to normal

Oh great, the fun police are back.

The kind of person who has convinced himself that it's okay for a group of men from disparate communities to stand beside and hug each other for an hour, as long it's on a green field - but that people from the same community can't sit beside each other for an hour watching this happen.

There is no way on this earth you can square these two sides.

Stormont at least have had the decency up to acknowledge this.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 10:23:42 PM
The games are seen as casual contact, hence the lack of changing rooms. Sitting beside someone for 2 hrs inside 2 metres u are now a close contact. How can we expect society as a whole to conform to the rules if we just say yeah this is grand , work away.  Dont want to be a killjoy but if this was happening on the street there would be an outcry
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2020, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 10:23:42 PM
The games are seen as casual contact, hence the lack of changing rooms. Sitting beside someone for 2 hrs inside 2 metres u are now a close contact. How can we expect society as a whole to conform to the rules if we just say yeah this is grand , work away.  Dont want to be a killjoy but if this was happening on the street there would be an outcry

Just to be clear. Are you okay with hundreds of people in the main concourse of a shopping mall, or running around Tesco, as long as they're wearing some form of face mask?

I assume you are, as it's legally allowed.

But if you're okay with that, and not okay with people meeting in vast outdoor stadiums, I'm going to have to urge you to start thinking for yourself.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 10:42:42 PM
90 percent of people in Tesco are wearing masks , keeping distance , sanitising etc. Tonight in Healy 90 % of people were doing the opposite. The world has stopped handshaking but it's ok for dozens of them tonight? These actions would certainly spread Covid. The saving grace is there is little of it present currently in the community. If there was these actions would help the spread further
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 10:42:42 PM
90 percent of people in Tesco are wearing masks , keeping distance , sanitising etc. Tonight in Healy 90 % of people were doing the opposite. The world has stopped handshaking but it's ok for dozens of them tonight? These actions would certainly spread Covid. The saving grace is there is little of it present currently in the community. If there was these actions would help the spread further

90% sure you're pulling numbers out of your arse.

If you believe that indoors environments can actually be safer than outdoor environments, once you slip on a grubby 3-for-a-tenner face mask, again I would then urge you start thinking for yourself.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 11:02:44 PM
Ok 92% :), well most recent studies showing masks are effective ! Also people do need to shop, do they need to be at a footie game in a pandemic! I'm only throwing it out there, not saying I'm right but the inconsistencies are staggering at this stage
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2020, 11:10:05 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 11:02:44 PM
Ok 92% :), well most recent studies showing masks are effective ! Also people do need to shop, do they need to be at a footie game in a pandemic! I'm only throwing it out there, not saying I'm right but the inconsistencies are staggering at this stage

But my base point is that no amateur sportsman needs to play their sport in a pandemic. If that is okay in the eyes of government then their policies on spectator attendance should reflect, not oppose.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 05, 2020, 11:16:13 PM
I'm all for spectators but they have to adhere to the guidance issued , it seems though that there is little or no effort by the majority at the games to do this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 05, 2020, 11:20:03 PM
It makes sense that people can go along to large stadiums, but they have to spread themselves out in the space that those stadiums provide and not crowd together.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 05, 2020, 11:58:38 PM
There were certainly (again) loads sitting together at the Tyrone games tonight.
Maybe the average family in Tyrone consists of around 40?
The 2nd half of ET in the Dungannon game was some excitement.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 07, 2020, 09:35:29 AM
 https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/cowardly-government-hide-behind-nphet-as-fans-remain-locked-out-1.4347903

On any brass tacks reading of things, getting people into grounds for sporting events very obviously doesn't matter. Even the most goggle-eyed sports fan understands there are more pressing priorities. If you haven't been into Dublin city centre in the past six months, for instance, you would be genuinely shocked to walk around it now. Injecting the life and people and boldness that drives a city back into it will take years.

That's the sort of gargantuan task that a government ought to be facing questions on. Stupid, picayune little things like meals in pubs and people at matches should have long since been out of the way by now. They take up airtime because people don't buy the thinking behind them. Lose the people and you lose your authority.

This is going to come to a head now, particularly as we try to squeeze a year's sport into the next three months. It will start with county finals, the Pro14, the inter-county scene, all the way up to internationals in soccer and rugby. The contrast between the wide open spaces of stadiums with no fans in them and the pubs into which those fans will instead pour to watch the games will be stark.

You alienate those you treat as fools. Everybody's behaviour has changed in the past six months. Mask-wearing is at 90 per cent in the general populace, 97 per cent among young people. We socially distance, we wash our hands, we don't see anywhere close to the amount of people we used to. Everyone's lives have become smaller, tighter, more concentrated. Most of all, everyone is more careful of their interactions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on September 07, 2020, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 05, 2020, 11:20:03 PM
It makes sense that people can go along to large stadiums, but they have to spread themselves out in the space that those stadiums provide and not crowd together.
This is obviously a rudimentary requirement for allowing spectators to return and if done correctly then it should be quite safe for people once other guidance while travelling to/from the match is adhered to and good access/egress procedures are in place.
Why you would even want to huddle up in a cluster at a match in the current COVID-19 environment is beyond me but yet there are still people doing it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: delgany on September 07, 2020, 01:09:34 PM
There doesnt seem to be the same level of spectator management. NO SIGNAGE to show where fans can / cannot sit
No seating plans etc . It ain't difficult to organise
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 07, 2020, 01:56:19 PM
Going by TV pictures from Omagh in recent weeks there appears to be NO SPECTATOR MANAGEMENT certainly as far as seating goes.
Such scenes won't help in efforts to get spectators back in the 26.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 07, 2020, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 07, 2020, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 05, 2020, 11:20:03 PM
It makes sense that people can go along to large stadiums, but they have to spread themselves out in the space that those stadiums provide and not crowd together.
This is obviously a rudimentary requirement for allowing spectators to return and if done correctly then it should be quite safe for people once other guidance while travelling to/from the match is adhered to and good access/egress procedures are in place.
Why you would even want to huddle up in a cluster at a match in the current COVID-19 environment is beyond me but yet there are still people doing it.

If these eejits won't do it in their own interest then give them a seat number.
The GAA should be seen to make an effort in this regard in its own interest but they are not showing that they can manage this. Why?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 07, 2020, 02:59:50 PM
It is probably harder in standing only but definitely in crowded stands it looks bad. Seats need to be cordoned off so people can't all sit on top of each other. I dunno what you do it in - blocks of ten or so - but definitely it looks bad when watching and all these people huddled on top of each other.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 07, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2020, 01:56:19 PM
Going by TV pictures from Omagh in recent weeks there appears to be NO SPECTATOR MANAGEMENT certainly as far as seating goes.
Such scenes won't help in efforts to get spectators back in the 26.

Right, well first of all. It's not a GAA issue. It's a Government issue so there isn't much point yapping about it in here. A thread on GAA Response because the Govt. in the South have adapted such a stance.

Second of all, Tyrone (Mid Ulster and Fermanagh/Omagh) have the lowest rates or lowest 2/3 in the North which would encompass all the teams involved on Saturday night TV. So I suppose, maybe we should be rewarded for actually bothering our holes to take it relatively seriously and have such low transmission rates?




Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 07, 2020, 04:41:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 07, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2020, 01:56:19 PM
Going by TV pictures from Omagh in recent weeks there appears to be NO SPECTATOR MANAGEMENT certainly as far as seating goes.
Such scenes won't help in efforts to get spectators back in the 26.

Right, well first of all. It's not a GAA issue. It's a Government issue so there isn't much point yapping about it in here. A thread on GAA Response because the Govt. in the South have adapted such a stance.

Second of all, Tyrone (Mid Ulster and Fermanagh/Omagh) have the lowest rates or lowest 2/3 in the North which would encompass all the teams involved on Saturday night TV. So I suppose, maybe we should be rewarded for actually bothering our holes to take it relatively seriously and have such low transmission rates?

Can you post up the six counties case totals the last two weeks.

Cases in the ROI last two weeks

Dublin 831
Kildare 186
Limerick 111
Tipperary 102
Cork 45
Meath 44
Wexford 44
Wicklow 38
Carlow 38
Offaly 36
Clare 36
Waterford 34
Donegal 34
Kilkenny 28
Monaghan 28
Louth 25
Laois 25
Kerry 19
Cavan 17
Galway 16
Roscommon 13
Longford 12
Westmeath 11
Mayo 4
Leitrim 4
Sligo 2


Plenty of counties there that could be "rewarded" but that's not the way this government work.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 07, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
Agreed, but not much point in sitting taking a swipe at people going to a game...who are allowed by the Government, who are all 100% traceable.

Seems like a lazy dig, especially when it makes no sense whatsoever. The Southern Government have shown they aren't influenced by anyone, least of all, the Northern assembly with regards to Covid Regulations so what happens in Healy Park, Omagh will have no bearing whatsoever in what they decide to do going forward.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 07, 2020, 05:53:34 PM
Tyrone is (unfortunately ;D) still part of the GAA.
A GAA County Board making no obvious effort to keep spectators a social distance apart, no word of censure from a Provincial Council on it, no word from a Central Council.
Then the CC goes asking the Public Health Team and Minister/Govt to end the spectator ban.
The first thing the PHT or Minster will say is.....ye're not ensuring social distancing among the spectators in the North. Come back to us when ye are.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 08, 2020, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2020, 02:59:50 PM
It is probably harder in standing only but definitely in crowded stands it looks bad. Seats need to be cordoned off so people can't all sit on top of each other. I dunno what you do it in - blocks of ten or so - but definitely it looks bad when watching and all these people huddled on top of each other.

You issue tickets on the app with seat numbers. If you buy 4 tickets then you sit together, then two spaces then the next group of tickets, and leave alternate rows free. It isn't rocket science even in Tyrone.
Anyone not in their sold seat is not allowed come again.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 08, 2020, 08:58:16 AM
Just cordoning off seats would be much easier. Do it once and you're done for all the matches you need plus no need to check tickets once fans are in etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 08, 2020, 09:19:51 AM
with the rates rising rapidly in the north, its gonna be really poor form to see similar scenes to last couple of weeks at matches. FFS stewards weren't even social distancing last week! The problem now is when a team wins the natural thing will be to celebrate wildly with fellow club friends and players. Totally understand the urge to do this and it may be only chance in life time for many so its a hard one. But as rates rise in coming week celebrations in a worse case scenario could bring a high level of transmission. county boards/gaa need to up their game and deal with this. To the outside eye , scenes last week are similar to a huge gathering outside a pub at 2 in the  morning!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D

I'm Tyrone. And there's no point ignoring it or complaining about it being highlighted. It is an issue. Personally I doubt that in a windy Healy Park there would be much risk, but the reality is that it's fairly easy to put in place a few simple changes that should eliminate most risk.

It's not a Tyrone issue, These problems will be happening up and done the country.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 08, 2020, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2020, 05:53:34 PM
Tyrone is (unfortunately ;D) still part of the GAA.
A GAA County Board making no obvious effort to keep spectators a social distance apart, no word of censure from a Provincial Council on it, no word from a Central Council.
Then the CC goes asking the Public Health Team and Minister/Govt to end the spectator ban.
The first thing the PHT or Minster will say is.....ye're not ensuring social distancing among the spectators in the North. Come back to us when ye are.
Tyrone GAA follow the rules from the hidden puppet masters in Ulster GAA, not the transparent southern command. As it stands now it's a partitionist policy, the other 3 free Ulster counties are outside the jurisdiction of Ulster GAA when it comes to covid.

On the surface  it appears to be an irrational policy in the 6 counties to permit  500 (?) spectators to attend an open air sporting event  but allow them all to pack together in the stand. why not spread them out?  Regardless of how low the positive tests are in Tyrone, they're relatively high in Antrim and Armagh and there are no travel restrictions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 08, 2020, 12:12:33 PM
Yeah it's not a tyrone thing. You can see it all round.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 08, 2020, 12:54:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 08, 2020, 12:12:33 PM
Yeah it's not a tyrone thing. You can see it all round.

+1
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D

I'm Tyrone. And there's no point ignoring it or complaining about it being highlighted. It is an issue. Personally I doubt that in a windy Healy Park there would be much risk, but the reality is that it's fairly easy to put in place a few simple changes that should eliminate most risk.

It's not a Tyrone issue, These problems will be happening up and done the country.

Yeah but if people are car sharing on the way to matches, the damage/spread could already have happened.

What if Dungannon win Tyrone? Or Maghery win Armagh? Clubs not used to winning championships. Are all the fans going to stay in their seats, then go home to their armchair to celebrate with a cup of tea and a biscuit? You can be sure there'll be mad celebrations, inside or outside clubrooms involving hundreds of people.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on September 08, 2020, 02:33:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
What if Dungannon win Tyrone? Or Maghery win Armagh? Clubs not used to winning championships. Are all the fans going to stay in their seats, then go home to their armchair to celebrate with a cup of tea and a biscuit? You can be sure there'll be mad celebrations, inside or outside clubrooms involving hundreds of people.

Worse still, they could all go to Tesco or Lidl on the way home.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D

I'm Tyrone. And there's no point ignoring it or complaining about it being highlighted. It is an issue. Personally I doubt that in a windy Healy Park there would be much risk, but the reality is that it's fairly easy to put in place a few simple changes that should eliminate most risk.

It's not a Tyrone issue, These problems will be happening up and done the country.

Yeah but if people are car sharing on the way to matches, the damage/spread could already have happened.

What if Dungannon win Tyrone? Or Maghery win Armagh? Clubs not used to winning championships. Are all the fans going to stay in their seats, then go home to their armchair to celebrate with a cup of tea and a biscuit? You can be sure there'll be mad celebrations, inside or outside clubrooms involving hundreds of people.
If they're car sharing there's a fair chance they are in each others close circle anyway. Family members or close friends who prob spend time indoor together anyway. There's very few will car share with people they aren't close with. And anyway that's outside the sphere of control for the GAA other that advising not to car share.
It's a fair point with regards to the celebrations but again as long as the GAA are doing what they can on their grounds, it's down to the pubs/ public houses to do the same when the celebrations spill over to there.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D

I'm Tyrone. And there's no point ignoring it or complaining about it being highlighted. It is an issue. Personally I doubt that in a windy Healy Park there would be much risk, but the reality is that it's fairly easy to put in place a few simple changes that should eliminate most risk.

It's not a Tyrone issue, These problems will be happening up and done the country.

Yeah but if people are car sharing on the way to matches, the damage/spread could already have happened.

What if Dungannon win Tyrone? Or Maghery win Armagh? Clubs not used to winning championships. Are all the fans going to stay in their seats, then go home to their armchair to celebrate with a cup of tea and a biscuit? You can be sure there'll be mad celebrations, inside or outside clubrooms involving hundreds of people.
If they're car sharing there's a fair chance they are in each others close circle anyway. Family members or close friends who prob spend time indoor together anyway. There's very few will car share with people they aren't close with. And anyway that's outside the sphere of control for the GAA other that advising not to car share.
It's a fair point with regards to the celebrations but again as long as the GAA are doing what they can on their grounds, it's down to the pubs/ public houses to do the same when the celebrations spill over to there.

Car sharing is a problem, even if it's immediate family. But it is out of the GAA's hands, and it's understandable why crowds are banned in the south, as matches encourage more mixing eg. car sharing, locals sitting together, going to pubs before and after etc.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 08, 2020, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D

I'm Tyrone. And there's no point ignoring it or complaining about it being highlighted. It is an issue. Personally I doubt that in a windy Healy Park there would be much risk, but the reality is that it's fairly easy to put in place a few simple changes that should eliminate most risk.

It's not a Tyrone issue, These problems will be happening up and done the country.

Yeah but if people are car sharing on the way to matches, the damage/spread could already have happened.

What if Dungannon win Tyrone? Or Maghery win Armagh? Clubs not used to winning championships. Are all the fans going to stay in their seats, then go home to their armchair to celebrate with a cup of tea and a biscuit? You can be sure there'll be mad celebrations, inside or outside clubrooms involving hundreds of people.
If they're car sharing there's a fair chance they are in each others close circle anyway. Family members or close friends who prob spend time indoor together anyway. There's very few will car share with people they aren't close with. And anyway that's outside the sphere of control for the GAA other that advising not to car share.
It's a fair point with regards to the celebrations but again as long as the GAA are doing what they can on their grounds, it's down to the pubs/ public houses to do the same when the celebrations spill over to there.

Car sharing is a problem, even if it's immediate family. But it is out of the GAA's hands, and it's understandable why crowds are banned in the southas matches encourage more mixing eg. car sharing, locals sitting together, going to pubs before and after etc.

Ah now..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 08, 2020, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D

I'm Tyrone. And there's no point ignoring it or complaining about it being highlighted. It is an issue. Personally I doubt that in a windy Healy Park there would be much risk, but the reality is that it's fairly easy to put in place a few simple changes that should eliminate most risk.

It's not a Tyrone issue, These problems will be happening up and done the country.

Yeah but if people are car sharing on the way to matches, the damage/spread could already have happened.

What if Dungannon win Tyrone? Or Maghery win Armagh? Clubs not used to winning championships. Are all the fans going to stay in their seats, then go home to their armchair to celebrate with a cup of tea and a biscuit? You can be sure there'll be mad celebrations, inside or outside clubrooms involving hundreds of people.
If they're car sharing there's a fair chance they are in each others close circle anyway. Family members or close friends who prob spend time indoor together anyway. There's very few will car share with people they aren't close with. And anyway that's outside the sphere of control for the GAA other that advising not to car share.
It's a fair point with regards to the celebrations but again as long as the GAA are doing what they can on their grounds, it's down to the pubs/ public houses to do the same when the celebrations spill over to there.

Car sharing is a problem, even if it's immediate family. But it is out of the GAA's hands, and it's understandable why crowds are banned in the southas matches encourage more mixing eg. car sharing, locals sitting together, going to pubs before and after etc.

Ah now..

The only reason the rule on crowds looks daft to people, is because pubs/restaurants are allowed to be opened. But as a stand-alone rule, no fans makes sense.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
The only reason the rule makes no sense is because children are being schooled indoors for 4-6 hours per day and adults are working indoors for 8-12 hours a day. To then prevent same people from meeting others in outdoor environments makes absolutely no f**king sense at all, and if anything should be actively encouraged to the detriment of indoor meetings.

Cmon Benny. Think about this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Schooling and work are sort of important oul activities.
Looking at a bunch of lads or lassies chasing around a field after a ball isnt'.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on September 08, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
The number of cases in the North is quite high for 6 Counties. I don't know why they went from 0 at outdoor events to 400,when the Republic was at 200..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Schooling and work are sort of important oul activities.
Looking at a bunch of lads or lassies chasing around a field after a ball isnt'.

And as we've gone around in circles a few times now, if that's your stance then we should cancel (amateur) sport lock, stock and two smoking barrels too. It's no more important to the mental and physiological of Irish adults to play it than it is to watch your friends, family, community compete on your behalf.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 08, 2020, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 08, 2020, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Some rednecks+, AND ORANGE NECKS, will always find ways to cry about Tyrone- always  ;D

I'm Tyrone. And there's no point ignoring it or complaining about it being highlighted. It is an issue. Personally I doubt that in a windy Healy Park there would be much risk, but the reality is that it's fairly easy to put in place a few simple changes that should eliminate most risk.

It's not a Tyrone issue, These problems will be happening up and done the country.

Yeah but if people are car sharing on the way to matches, the damage/spread could already have happened.

What if Dungannon win Tyrone? Or Maghery win Armagh? Clubs not used to winning championships. Are all the fans going to stay in their seats, then go home to their armchair to celebrate with a cup of tea and a biscuit? You can be sure there'll be mad celebrations, inside or outside clubrooms involving hundreds of people.
If they're car sharing there's a fair chance they are in each others close circle anyway. Family members or close friends who prob spend time indoor together anyway. There's very few will car share with people they aren't close with. And anyway that's outside the sphere of control for the GAA other that advising not to car share.
It's a fair point with regards to the celebrations but again as long as the GAA are doing what they can on their grounds, it's down to the pubs/ public houses to do the same when the celebrations spill over to there.

Car sharing is a problem, even if it's immediate family. But it is out of the GAA's hands, and it's understandable why crowds are banned in the southas matches encourage more mixing eg. car sharing, locals sitting together, going to pubs before and after etc.

Ah now..

The only reason the rule on crowds looks daft to people, is because pubs/restaurants are allowed to be opened. But as a stand-alone rule, no fans makes sense.

There has to logic in place for such restrictions in place.

If indoors non food pubs are allowed to open on September 21st then at least 200 supporters should be allowed attend outdoor sports right now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 08, 2020, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 08, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
The number of cases in the North is quite high for 6 Counties. I don't know why they went from 0 at outdoor events to 400,when the Republic was at 200..

Less cautious people making the decisions and have taken into account that outdoors is less of a risk to catch this virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 06:23:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Schooling and work are sort of important oul activities.
Looking at a bunch of lads or lassies chasing around a field after a ball isnt'.

Yup.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Schooling and work are sort of important oul activities.
Looking at a bunch of lads or lassies chasing around a field after a ball isnt'.

And as we've gone around in circles a few times now, if that's your stance then we should cancel (amateur) sport lock, stock and two smoking barrels too. It's no more important to the mental and physiological of Irish adults to play it than it is to watch your friends, family, community compete on your behalf.

Tbh, when you think about it, it makes no sense for football to be back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Schooling and work are sort of important oul activities.
Looking at a bunch of lads or lassies chasing around a field after a ball isnt'.

And as we've gone around in circles a few times now, if that's your stance then we should cancel (amateur) sport lock, stock and two smoking barrels too. It's no more important to the mental and physiological of Irish adults to play it than it is to watch your friends, family, community compete on your behalf.

Read what I wrote like a good gasún.
LOOKING AT.....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 07:03:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Schooling and work are sort of important oul activities.
Looking at a bunch of lads or lassies chasing around a field after a ball isnt'.

And as we've gone around in circles a few times now, if that's your stance then we should cancel (amateur) sport lock, stock and two smoking barrels too. It's no more important to the mental and physiological of Irish adults to play it than it is to watch your friends, family, community compete on your behalf.

Tbh, when you think about it, it makes no sense for football to be back.

That I can get on board with.

But if it's happening, stopping 500 people from watching it in a 20k stadium makes about as much sense as closing Kildare while leaving Meath open.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 08, 2020, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2020, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Schooling and work are sort of important oul activities.
Looking at a bunch of lads or lassies chasing around a field after a ball isnt'.

And as we've gone around in circles a few times now, if that's your stance then we should cancel (amateur) sport lock, stock and two smoking barrels too. It's no more important to the mental and physiological of Irish adults to play it than it is to watch your friends, family, community compete on your behalf.

Tbh, when you think about it, it makes no sense for football to be back.

;D I completely agree with this. I think it's great it's back but if complete consistency were applied it wouldn't be back at all. Consistency doesn't seem something there is much of these days though in terms of high level decision making.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 09, 2020, 05:42:36 PM
It doesn't look like Sport in the UK will be getting back to normal any time soon.
The GAA are followers on this so it's going to be a weird all Ireland by the looks of thibgs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2020/09/09/return-sports-crowds-set-cancelled-amid-new-government-rules/

Sport is braced to scrap plans for the return of fans after the St Leger Festival was ordered behind closed doors from Thursday.

Senior industry figures fear the cancellation of all remaining pilots this month, and the postponement of the October 1 date for every sporting event to welcome back a limited number of spectators, ahead of Boris Johnson's announcement of new coronavirus lockdown restrictions.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 09, 2020, 06:14:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 09, 2020, 05:42:36 PM
It doesn't look like Sport in the UK will be getting back to normal any time soon.
The GAA are followers on this so it's going to be a weird all Ireland by the looks of thibgs.


UK had various outdoors sports  in recent weeks with 1000s in attendance. The GAA follow government set rules zero supporters in ROI and hundreds in NI.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0911/1164537-nphet-recommendations/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?
Back to a couple of hundred at some point soon.

Lets hope the GAA enforce it this time.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on September 11, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?
Back to a couple of hundred at some point soon.

Lets hope the GAA enforce it this time.

Any evidence of the GAA not enforcing it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 11, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?


A level system 1 to 5 to be put in place by Tuesday. Counties with level 1 (low infection rate) will have little or no restrictions in place the opposite for level 5 counties.

Seems like some counties will be allowed crowds at matches others will not. Hard to see GAA HQ giving the go ahead to the championship starting next month with so much disruptions ahead but we'll see.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 11, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 11, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?
Back to a couple of hundred at some point soon.

Lets hope the GAA enforce it this time.

Any evidence of the GAA not enforcing it?

Ignore him. He believes we would be all be in a better place if volunteer marshals aggressively manhandled non-complying men, women and children around and out of vast open spaces. He has a detachment from reality.

I'm guessing he hasn't been involved in a club since he was a cub.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rosnarun on September 11, 2020, 03:16:32 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 11, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?


A level system 1 to 5 to be put in place by Tuesday. Counties with level 1 (low infection rate) will have little or no restrictions in place the opposite for level 5 counties.

Seems like some counties will be allowed crowds at matches others will not. Hard to see GAA HQ giving the go ahead to the championship starting next month with so much disruptions ahead but we'll see.
hard to see tha working . how will we be able to drive the diseased hords back to galway and Roscommon
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2020, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 11, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?
Back to a couple of hundred at some point soon.

Lets hope the GAA enforce it this time.

Any evidence of the GAA not enforcing it?
Its only that poster on his soccergood gahbad  soap box.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 11, 2020, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 11, 2020, 03:16:32 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 11, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?


A level system 1 to 5 to be put in place by Tuesday. Counties with level 1 (low infection rate) will have little or no restrictions in place the opposite for level 5 counties.

Seems like some counties will be allowed crowds at matches others will not. Hard to see GAA HQ giving the go ahead to the championship starting next month with so much disruptions ahead but we'll see.
hard to see tha working . how will we be able to drive the diseased hords back to galway and Roscommon

Level five counties (Dublin currently) won't be allowed to leave their county. It worth remembering many county teams have players living/working in Dublin.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2020, 05:06:05 PM
If Dublin can't play it will be cancelled.
If anyone else can't it will be tough luck yer'e out.

GAA, FAI and IRFU met today to organise a united approach to Government on getting spectators back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 11, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?
Back to a couple of hundred at some point soon.

Lets hope the GAA enforce it this time.

Any evidence of the GAA not enforcing it?

Loads. Look back through the thread
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 11, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Any word on what the story will be after this weekend in the 26?
Back to a couple of hundred at some point soon.

Lets hope the GAA enforce it this time.

Any evidence of the GAA not enforcing it?

Ignore him. He believes we would be all be in a better place if volunteer marshals aggressively manhandled non-complying men, women and children around and out of vast open spaces. He has a detachment from reality.

I'm guessing he hasn't been involved in a club since he was a cub.

There it is. The GAA are different and the rules don't apply.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 12, 2020, 05:59:31 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0911/1164691-gaa-waiting-on-government-funds-to-confirm-all-irelands/RTÉ Sport understands that Croke Park has advised that a number of directives should be followed as part of the resumption of the inter-county season.

Only three collective sessions can be held per week. This includes two training sessions plus one game.

No overnight camps will be allowed during the 2020 championship.

Only 32 players can train with each county panel with 26 being allowed into the match-day environment. Players should travel to training individually unless they are members of the same household.

Eleven backroom members will be permitted to link with the squad. In addition, the county chairperson and secretary will also be allowed to be in the match-day environment.

Squads can only meet three hours before games and players will be advised to travel alone if possible.

Dressing-rooms will be used for the autumn and winter months, but time inside should be kept to a minimum. Takeaway food cartons should be provided for players' nutrition after training and games.  

The use of ice baths and swimming pools is not permitted in the lead up to or after games or sessions and, where feasible, players should shower at home.

Teams will not be allowed to stay overnight at venues unless it is 130 miles away from their native county. In such cases, single rooms should be provided.

Rapid testing procedures will be in place if a squad member tests positive and on match days there will be no team huddles or team photographs allowed.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 12, 2020, 11:34:08 AM
What's with the miles, the GAA should be anti imperial?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2020, 04:27:37 PM
Looks like the GAA Championship will now go ahead.

https://www.the42.ie/gaa-7-5203045-Sep2020/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2020, 06:42:59 PM
No London game for Ros so.
Probably feck all spectators allowed?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2020, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2020, 06:42:59 PM
No London game for Ros so.
Probably feck all spectators allowed?

London was holding out hope that they would be allowed to take part though it seems the two week quarantine wasn't going to be lifted by the end of October.

Some supporters might be allowed to attend matches but imagine the hassle in trying to get your hands on tickets?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 13, 2020, 07:47:12 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2020, 04:27:37 PM
Looks like the GAA Championship will now go ahead.

https://www.the42.ie/gaa-7-5203045-Sep2020/

The championship is a cash cow usually but this year the Government is covering costs. It is going to be very strange.in the light of autumn and winter.

https://youtu.be/A2GqlOYfgfw
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 13, 2020, 08:35:16 PM
i think its going to be great as a novelty playing the championship under lights in late autumn early winter
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2020, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2020, 06:42:59 PM
No London game for Ros so.
Probably feck all spectators allowed?

I assume you're grateful for that. You'll have an extra week's preparation for us or the 'Laythrums'.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2020, 11:56:23 AM
Ah Fareen a Championship game even against the poorest team is worth more than a weeks rest.
Ye'll be getting it handy anyway as I can't see the Laythrums being too interested with no Qualifiers or Tailteann.
Is that remark by Horan about Covid infecred teams conceding walkovers officially adapted?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 14, 2020, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 13, 2020, 08:35:16 PM
i think its going to be great as a novelty playing the championship under lights in late autumn early winter
with the shnow and the hailshtones
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tintin25 on September 14, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Should have just scrapped the All-Ireland, can't see the public having any interest whatsoever

Play the remaining NFL games and the Club Provincials/All-Irelands....Junior, Intermediate and Senior
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on September 14, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
That's a fairly miserable view,

I would say it will do a lot of good instead of a miserable winter with Covid and otherwise no sport for GAA enthusiasts,
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 14, 2020, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on September 14, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Should have just scrapped the All-Ireland, can't see the public having any interest whatsoever

Play the remaining NFL games and the Club Provincials/All-Irelands....Junior, Intermediate and Senior

The public had plenty of interest in the club scene the last number of weeks with online streaming of proving to be a hit. Not sure how you reckon the public would have no interest in the All-Ireland championships?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thebar on September 14, 2020, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on September 14, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Should have just scrapped the All-Ireland, can't see the public having any interest whatsoever

Play the remaining NFL games and the Club Provincials/All-Irelands....Junior, Intermediate and Senior

Have to agree...club football has been a good follow this year without county football and would have been nice to see the thing played through to the the All Ireland. Club football has been more than adequate replacement for county stuff and provided imo more competitive games for viewing. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 14, 2020, 06:43:31 PM
if anything club football should be treated bigger by rte the all ireland club finals should be giving a prime slot on a saturday afternoon/evening also provincial club finals could be showing over two weekends on rte
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 14, 2020, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on September 14, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Should have just scrapped the All-Ireland, can't see the public having any interest whatsoever

Play the remaining NFL games and the Club Provincials/All-Irelands....Junior, Intermediate and Senior

Have to agree...club football has been a good follow this year without county football and would have been nice to see the thing played through to the the All Ireland. Club football has been more than adequate replacement for county stuff and provided imo more competitive games for viewing.

I would say the football has been better than the county stuff.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 14, 2020, 08:30:07 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on September 14, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Should have just scrapped the All-Ireland, can't see the public having any interest whatsoever

Play the remaining NFL games and the Club Provincials/All-Irelands....Junior, Intermediate and Senior
Sports fans have been starved of sport this year.
If they'll watch the Bundesliga they'll watch the All Ireland

https://youtu.be/A2GqlOYfgfw
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 11:46:14 AM
The scenes  of whole  squads from Maghery and Kilcoo, celebrating en masse with their fans at the end of 2 games were not good examples to demonstrate that the GAA "family" will act with appropriate responsibility should spectators be allowed to attend games in the south.
It's risky enough that many fans practice zero social distancing at games  but to go full gusto into a frenzied festive mode together with the players is an added form of madness.   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 15, 2020, 11:48:30 AM
Wouldn't we in the 26 be a bit more law abiding and responsible than wild mountainy Nordies?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Spectators are now going to be allowed at sports games in the south I just read. 200 at 5k plus capacity stadiums.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 12:26:29 PM
200 is a drop in the oceon, of very little value to the game but  there is some scope for optimism

'For very large purpose built event facilities (for example: stadia, auditoriums, conference or event centres) specific guidance will be developed with the relevant sectors to take account of size and different conditions for larger events.'
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Well at least it's a start.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Well at least it's a start.

Sports Associations will meet with government tomorrow 'to take account of size and different conditions for larger events.'

Monaghan co. final next sunday in Clones, capactiy 35k, I'd have a hope for 2,000 supporters being allowed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 15, 2020, 12:45:52 PM
They'll hardly get that all sorted out by the weekend??
Ros Inter Final Saturday and Senior Final Sunday limited to 200 spectators as of now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 15, 2020, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Well at least it's a start.

Sports Associations will meet with government tomorrow 'to take account of size and different conditions for larger events.'

Monaghan co. final next sunday in Clones, capactiy 35k, I'd have a hope for 2,000 supporters being allowed.

Yes only 200 is not much use for county finals that normally have at average 5k at them.

Now with more covid cases per week its ok for 200 supporters, Can anyone now explain the logic why games was put behind closed door on August 18th, the car pooling and meeting up after matches seems to be forgotten about all of sudden?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 15, 2020, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2020, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Well at least it's a start.

Sports Associations will meet with government tomorrow 'to take account of size and different conditions for larger events.'

Monaghan co. final next sunday in Clones, capactiy 35k, I'd have a hope for 2,000 supporters being allowed.

Yes only 200 is not much use for county finals that normally have at average 5k at them.

Now with more covid cases per week its ok for 200 supporters, Can anyone now explain the logic why games was put behind closed door on August 18th, the car pooling and meeting up after matches seems to be forgotten about all of sudden?

Micheal Martin is Taoiseach, that's the logic.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2020, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Well at least it's a start.

Sports Associations will meet with government tomorrow 'to take account of size and different conditions for larger events.'

Monaghan co. final next sunday in Clones, capactiy 35k, I'd have a hope for 2,000 supporters being allowed.

Yes only 200 is not much use for county finals that normally have at average 5k at them.

Now with more covid cases per week its ok for 200 supporters, Can anyone now explain the logic why games was put behind closed door on August 18th, the car pooling and meeting up after matches seems to be forgotten about all of sudden?

Likewise I don't get it. It's not like cases are going down.

Don't get me wrong I wasn't sure I agreed in the first place but suddenly changing it in the face of things probably getting worse seems odd.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 15, 2020, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2020, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Well at least it's a start.

Sports Associations will meet with government tomorrow 'to take account of size and different conditions for larger events.'

Monaghan co. final next sunday in Clones, capactiy 35k, I'd have a hope for 2,000 supporters being allowed.

Yes only 200 is not much use for county finals that normally have at average 5k at them.

Now with more covid cases per week its ok for 200 supporters, Can anyone now explain the logic why games was put behind closed door on August 18th, the car pooling and meeting up after matches seems to be forgotten about all of sudden?

Likewise I don't get it. It's not like cases are going down.

Don't get me wrong I wasn't sure I agreed in the first place but suddenly changing it in the face of things probably getting worse seems odd.

Very odd indeed. Only explanation I can think of is that those in power made a mistake to put outdoor sport games behind closed doors in August.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on September 15, 2020, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2020, 02:14:00 PM

Very odd indeed. Only explanation I can think of is that those in power made a mistake to put outdoor sport games behind closed doors in August.

The other is that they haven't a clue what they are at.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 15, 2020, 06:25:14 PM
What do we have Civil Defence for? this is a perfect role for them to get involved in, defending the people from themselves in matters of health and safety. This is the herd part of herd immunity, let the CD herd the 2,000 supporters into the stadium, 1m. socially distant and after the game herd them out of town.  Chase them crazy baldheads out of town and let them do the celebrations  back home in their own town.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 17, 2020, 04:06:52 PM
Ulster SFC fixtures
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0917/1165777-no-clones-final-as-ulster-confirm-sfc-fixtures/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 17, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2020, 04:06:52 PM
Ulster SFC fixtures
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0917/1165777-no-clones-final-as-ulster-confirm-sfc-fixtures/
El Clasico is on 31 Oct 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on September 17, 2020, 09:10:16 PM
At least the misery for whichever of us loses the Ballybofey game will be short-lived.

Its going to be interesting to see these games pan out in empty grounds. Donegal-Tyrone and Monaghan-Cavan are usually pretty passionate, keenly contested, derbies, to say the least!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 12:59:46 AM
i kind of wanted Donegal V Tyrone on the halloween night under floodlights would have been amazing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 01:03:21 AM
Ulster Final should be played in Ulster
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 18, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 01:03:21 AM
Ulster Final should be played in Ulster

It will be be. I do not believe they going to big crowds at these games, the way things are going . There will be a few hundred allowed and several county grounds could host the final in that case. The idea of bringing a load of people to Dublin to Croke Park is not a runner.
Perhaps the All Ireland final should be played in Ulster? It has been previously in Leinster and Connacht and if feck all are allowed attend then the Athletic grounds would do fine. It would be ideal for the new Casement, which doesn't exist.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 18, 2020, 11:00:03 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 12:59:46 AM
i kind of wanted Donegal V Tyrone on the halloween night under floodlights would have been amazing.
There'll be enough horror out that night without adding those to it. ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on September 18, 2020, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 01:03:21 AM
Ulster Final should be played in Ulster

It is but its a flood light issue has Monaghan has none in Clones due to a general lack of electricity in the county.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on September 18, 2020, 09:02:03 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 01:03:21 AM
Ulster Final should be played in Ulster
It should also be played on grass on one of the 7 days of if the week. None of this is in doubt
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 09:22:34 PM
They can play it in a neutral venue with floodlights  if its tyrone v down it can be played in armagh or ballybofey if tyrone are not in final it can be played in omagh also i dont get the floodlight excuse when some games in the quarter finals are are throwing in at like 1.15pm  why can final not throw in at 1.15pm also the ulster club final is played at the around that time of year under floodlights usually no excuse.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 09:24:06 PM
i actually thought if you had four decent size stadiums in the four provinces you could rotate the all ireland final each year beetweeen them or even rotate the semis
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2020, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 18, 2020, 09:24:06 PM
i actually thought if you had four decent size stadiums in the four provinces you could rotate the all ireland final each year beetweeen them or even rotate the semis
This is surely the year to play the All-Ireland final in the wee six

500 spectators v 0 in Croke Park

Armagh under lights could do the job

It would be like a Dr. McKenna Cup final in terms of atmosphere and would show the rest of Ireland what they are missing by not being interested in the world's finest pre-season GAA competition

Linwoods Armagh TV could share broadcast rights with RTE and Sky Sports
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 18, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
Considering Armagh is under restrictions now, it might not be too long before zero fans are allowed into games in Athletic Grounds
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2020, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 18, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
Considering Armagh is under restrictions now, it might not be too long before zero fans are allowed into games in Athletic Grounds
Be grand for December 19th

Given it's the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, we could even have the RC and Church of Ireland Archbishops throwing in the ball for a half each

Would be a lovely throwback
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2020, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 18, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
Considering Armagh is under restrictions now, it might not be too long before zero fans are allowed into games in Athletic Grounds

Yesterday figures.

14-day incidence per 100,000:

NI: 72.7
ROI: 56.2

Places with the highest figures, 14-day per 100,000:

Belfast: 112.6
Dublin: 109.3
Antrim & Newtonabbey: 105.9
Lisburn & Castlereagh: 99.2
Armagh City & Banbridge: 92.2
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 18, 2020, 11:32:21 PM
Team talk in Tyrone doing a pre championship chat show last night. Passing the mic around like a karaoke night!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 18, 2020, 11:32:21 PM
Team talk in Tyrone doing a pre championship chat show last night. Passing the mic around like a karaoke night!

This kind of thing is providing very bad example, given the numerous case of outbreaks at Karaoke etc
I noticed at the Armagh minor final that they ostentatiously wiped the mic with something before handing it over.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Dire Ear on September 19, 2020, 11:51:17 AM
The anti-Tyrone thing is tiring.
Ironic that we have very low numbers of "covid"
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
Member of Donegal panel tested positive for Covid19.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 19, 2020, 03:10:35 PM
I wasn't signalling out Tyrone but teamtalk who do a great job have in recent weeks engaged in handshakes hugs and mic sharing in front of the public eye live on camera. They have a responsibility to follow the guidance like everyone else and set an example.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Microphones are especially dangerous though as you hold them close to your mouth and speak into them.
It wouldn't be too hard to have a ball boy with a spray to clean a ball though.

Quote from: the goal was on on September 19, 2020, 03:10:35 PM
I wasn't signalling out Tyrone but teamtalk who do a great job have in recent weeks engaged in handshakes hugs and mic sharing in front of the public eye live on camera. They have a responsibility to follow the guidance like everyone else and set an example.


Absolutely, if they did elbow bumps or wiped the mic it would be a useful reminder to a lot of people, and not hard to do.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sam03/05 on September 19, 2020, 07:04:15 PM
So what exactly is the rule on Covid outbreak
I know that Horan recently said that if a county has a case week of championship game
Then they are out
Is this still the case?
Fair chance that Dublin won't be winning Leicester or AI if that's the case
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 08:57:30 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 19, 2020, 07:04:15 PM
So what exactly is the rule on Covid outbreak
I know that Horan recently said that if a county has a case week of championship game
Then they are out
Is this still the case?
Fair chance that Dublin won't be winning Leicester or AI if that's the case
I'd accept that if it meant I'd get to see Philly McMahon poleaxing Jamie Vardy
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 19, 2020, 07:04:15 PM
So what exactly is the rule on Covid outbreak
I know that Horan recently said that if a county has a case week of championship game
Then they are out
Is this still the case?
Fair chance that Dublin won't be winning Leicester or AI if that's the case

Sure Dublin would probably keep two teams in training, completely separate, just in case.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 19, 2020, 10:38:48 PM
Not much sign of social distancing among spectators i bPáirc na nGael tonight :-\
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 20, 2020, 10:25:03 AM
It wasn't that bad I thought.

I still think any stand should have seats cordoned off so there has to be a gap mind you.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on September 20, 2020, 07:38:31 PM
If Dublin is in stage 3 when their leinster championship game comes around what happens then?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.

Professional games, it absolutely is
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.

Professional games, it absolutely is

Oh aye yeah, but not in GAA matches.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 20, 2020, 08:17:07 PM
Every player on the pitch is handling the ball and there's no testing for them so they are as susceptible as anyone in a crowd. All the pro players are tested regularly so it's not exactly like for like.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.

Professional games, it absolutely is

Oh aye yeah, but not in GAA matches.
Gotcha.

Its not a big thing but does feed into the idea the GAA simply isn't making the effort others are
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
It's not even that, BB2.

If I'm sat in the front row, properly socially distancing and all that. Staying away from other people, disinfected my hands, etc etc. The ball lands beside me, and I pick it up and chuck it back to the player for the sideline, I may as well have shaken hands with all the players.

OK I'm overthinking things, but really, that's the reality. Not only that, but I risk passing the virus on to every player by picking up that ball.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on September 21, 2020, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
It's not even that, BB2.

If I'm sat in the front row, properly socially distancing and all that. Staying away from other people, disinfected my hands, etc etc. The ball lands beside me, and I pick it up and chuck it back to the player for the sideline, I may as well have shaken hands with all the players.

OK I'm overthinking things, but really, that's the reality. Not only that, but I risk passing the virus on to every player by picking up that ball.

To be honest, if you are thinking about things that much you shouldn't be going to games full stop.

Just don't touch the ball. Pretty simple.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 21, 2020, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
It's not even that, BB2.

If I'm sat in the front row, properly socially distancing and all that. Staying away from other people, disinfected my hands, etc etc. The ball lands beside me, and I pick it up and chuck it back to the player for the sideline, I may as well have shaken hands with all the players.

OK I'm overthinking things, but really, that's the reality. Not only that, but I risk passing the virus on to every player by picking up that ball.

overthinking things?

Concentrate on the reality of an scenario whereby a piece of leather in an outdoors environment, bounces without a plausibly recognisable pattern between hands, gloves, feet and surface, constantly  enduring impacts and motions that prevent it from retaining external matter.

Then consider whether human beings could realistically have evolved to our current state in an environment in which a process as ephemeral as this has potential to transmit a lethal virus

Then relax.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 12:11:42 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2020, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
It's not even that, BB2.

If I'm sat in the front row, properly socially distancing and all that. Staying away from other people, disinfected my hands, etc etc. The ball lands beside me, and I pick it up and chuck it back to the player for the sideline, I may as well have shaken hands with all the players.

OK I'm overthinking things, but really, that's the reality. Not only that, but I risk passing the virus on to every player by picking up that ball.

overthinking things?

Concentrate on the reality of an scenario whereby a piece of leather in an outdoors environment, bounces without a plausibly recognisable pattern between hands, gloves, feet and surface, constantly  enduring impacts and motions that prevent it from retaining external matter.

Then consider whether human beings could realistically have evolved to our current state in an environment in which a process as ephemeral as this has potential to transmit a lethal virus

Then relax.

Hi boy, will you stop talking in riddles  >:(
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 08:25:09 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2020, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
It's not even that, BB2.

If I'm sat in the front row, properly socially distancing and all that. Staying away from other people, disinfected my hands, etc etc. The ball lands beside me, and I pick it up and chuck it back to the player for the sideline, I may as well have shaken hands with all the players.

OK I'm overthinking things, but really, that's the reality. Not only that, but I risk passing the virus on to every player by picking up that ball.

overthinking things?

Concentrate on the reality of an scenario whereby a piece of leather in an outdoors environment, bounces without a plausibly recognisable pattern between hands, gloves, feet and surface, constantly  enduring impacts and motions that prevent it from retaining external matter.

Then consider whether human beings could realistically have evolved to our current state in an environment in which a process as ephemeral as this has potential to transmit a lethal virus

Then relax.

Prevent it from retaining external matter?

We are now reinventing science to justify the GAA's lack of action
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 08:31:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.

Professional games, it absolutely is

Oh aye yeah, but not in GAA matches.
Gotcha.

Its not a big thing but does feed into the idea the GAA simply isn't making the effort others are

All of the GAA? Specific county boards? What other sports? I have been to other sporting things where there is nothing done. It isn't like all of them are.

They should be cordoning off seats in the stand and I think that's all you can do. If people are standing round they have the choice where to stand themselves - stewards are not the police.

The cleaning the ball thing is a nonsense. If you can't touch the ball then you can't touch any doorhandle about. In the scenario of what if you throw it back - just don't throw it back then you will have nothing to worry about. Or cover your hands with your sleeves. There are many alternatives. That is just too far fetched for me.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 21, 2020, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 08:25:09 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2020, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
It's not even that, BB2.

If I'm sat in the front row, properly socially distancing and all that. Staying away from other people, disinfected my hands, etc etc. The ball lands beside me, and I pick it up and chuck it back to the player for the sideline, I may as well have shaken hands with all the players.

OK I'm overthinking things, but really, that's the reality. Not only that, but I risk passing the virus on to every player by picking up that ball.

overthinking things?

Concentrate on the reality of an scenario whereby a piece of leather in an outdoors environment, bounces without a plausibly recognisable pattern between hands, gloves, feet and surface, constantly  enduring impacts and motions that prevent it from retaining external matter.

Then consider whether human beings could realistically have evolved to our current state in an environment in which a process as ephemeral as this has potential to transmit a lethal virus

Then relax.

Prevent it from retaining external matter?

We are now reinventing science to justify the GAA's lack of action


You're right soccer man.

There is an undeniable scenario here, whereby on a warm, dry day, a spectator walks up to a ball, sneezes on it, then returns it inside the fence with an unusually spin-free motion to a player who is not wearing gloves, who then plays a sideline ball and immediately takes the opportunity to rub his nose for a few seconds.

Football the killer.

Ban that shit.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 08:31:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.

Professional games, it absolutely is

Oh aye yeah, but not in GAA matches.
Gotcha.

Its not a big thing but does feed into the idea the GAA simply isn't making the effort others are

All of the GAA? Specific county boards? What other sports? I have been to other sporting things where there is nothing done. It isn't like all of them are.

They should be cordoning off seats in the stand and I think that's all you can do. If people are standing round they have the choice where to stand themselves - stewards are not the police.

The cleaning the ball thing is a nonsense. If you can't touch the ball then you can't touch any doorhandle about. In the scenario of what if you throw it back - just don't throw it back then you will have nothing to worry about. Or cover your hands with your sleeves. There are many alternatives. That is just too far fetched for me.

If stewards cannot, well , steward, there is a bigger issue. This shrug your shoulders attitude is the problem. To not even have the wit to properly manage televised games...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 21, 2020, 10:40:10 AM
uh oh......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54233073
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 08:31:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.

Professional games, it absolutely is

Oh aye yeah, but not in GAA matches.
Gotcha.

Its not a big thing but does feed into the idea the GAA simply isn't making the effort others are

All of the GAA? Specific county boards? What other sports? I have been to other sporting things where there is nothing done. It isn't like all of them are.

They should be cordoning off seats in the stand and I think that's all you can do. If people are standing round they have the choice where to stand themselves - stewards are not the police.

The cleaning the ball thing is a nonsense. If you can't touch the ball then you can't touch any doorhandle about. In the scenario of what if you throw it back - just don't throw it back then you will have nothing to worry about. Or cover your hands with your sleeves. There are many alternatives. That is just too far fetched for me.

If stewards cannot, well , steward, there is a bigger issue. This shrug your shoulders attitude is the problem. To not even have the wit to properly manage televised games...

Stewards are not police. What should they do? There are more than 6 of you... do you live in the same house? Where do you draw the line? They aren't bouncers.

The stands should be cordoned off so people can't sit on top of each other. That is the main thing the GAA should be doing. To be fair at the weekend I thought there was a good bit of distancing in the hurling games I saw. (the tipp hurling and limerick hurling).

You do seem to be a poster who will be critical of the GAA at every opportunity. You have some points in there but the sanitising the ball thing is just petty and silly. Also all sports are not doing things right. I know they're not because I've been there. You constantly seem to imply that it's only the GAA when they don't look to be doing things right. Bars, restaurants, other sports - there are people everywhere not doing things right.

Anyway you picked one thing out of my post. One.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 11:03:39 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 08:31:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Heard recently that in soccer (might be when some fans are allowed in), if the ball is thrown back over the hoardings, the ball has to be cleansed before it's used in the match. Sounds sensible enough given the current situation.

Lots of fans have thrown the ball back at a player during a GAA game and play continues. Similar to the microphone thing.

Balls are left on cones around the pitch and the throw in or kickout must be one of those balls. Any ball that leaves the pitch area is cleaned before going on a cone. Ball boys are gone

That's not happening with matches I've seen.

Professional games, it absolutely is

Oh aye yeah, but not in GAA matches.
Gotcha.

Its not a big thing but does feed into the idea the GAA simply isn't making the effort others are

All of the GAA? Specific county boards? What other sports? I have been to other sporting things where there is nothing done. It isn't like all of them are.

They should be cordoning off seats in the stand and I think that's all you can do. If people are standing round they have the choice where to stand themselves - stewards are not the police.

The cleaning the ball thing is a nonsense. If you can't touch the ball then you can't touch any doorhandle about. In the scenario of what if you throw it back - just don't throw it back then you will have nothing to worry about. Or cover your hands with your sleeves. There are many alternatives. That is just too far fetched for me.

If stewards cannot, well , steward, there is a bigger issue. This shrug your shoulders attitude is the problem. To not even have the wit to properly manage televised games...

Stewards are not police. What should they do? There are more than 6 of you... do you live in the same house? Where do you draw the line? They aren't bouncers.

The stands should be cordoned off so people can't sit on top of each other. That is the main thing the GAA should be doing. To be fair at the weekend I thought there was a good bit of distancing in the hurling games I saw. (the tipp hurling and limerick hurling).

You do seem to be a poster who will be critical of the GAA at every opportunity. You have some points in there but the sanitising the ball thing is just petty and silly. Also all sports are not doing things right. I know they're not because I've been there. You constantly seem to imply that it's only the GAA when they don't look to be doing things right. Bars, restaurants, other sports - there are people everywhere not doing things right.

Anyway you picked one thing out of my post. One.

If I were to go onto a bar, restaurant or other sport forum I will be equally as critical.

You say its not up to stewards to rnforece social distancing. I say it absolutely is. They shouldn't need to make a call. 2m apart at all times or throw them out. End of.

The ball thing might be overkill, but it reminds players and viewers that things are different and is important symbolism.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on September 21, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 21, 2020, 10:40:10 AM
uh oh......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54233073

Ah its great that she is keeping an eye on the matches, shows the DUP are moving forward.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: square_ball on September 21, 2020, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 21, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 21, 2020, 10:40:10 AM
uh oh......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54233073

Ah its great that she is keeping an eye on the matches, shows the DUP are moving forward.

Dungannon are in her constituency so she'd have been delighted with their win.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 11:24:22 AM
Snarlene has a point. It's only because she's from the DUP that she looks like she's just being petty towards the GAA. And maybe she is. But she is also right.

As for stewards, if half of Dungannon was jumping the hoardings, would you stop them and risk infecting yourself and your family? No you wouldn't.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 11:24:22 AM
Snarlene has a point. It's only because she's from the DUP that she looks like she's just being petty towards the GAA. And maybe she is. But she is also right.

As for stewards, if half of Dungannon was jumping the hoardings, would you stop them and risk infecting yourself and your family? No you wouldn't.

So why are they there?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
The ball thing is not important symbolism at all. You have a good few things you could get at here but that's not one of them.

Maybe we should give these stewards tazers too BB2 ;D

As I say I think you have some valid points in there but you sometimes lose them in your haste to criticise everything GAA. The picture on that teamtalkmag of dungannon supporters doesn't look good.

My view remains cordon off seats in the stand and then the rest is up to advice. Also I do believe Limerick and Tipp finals in the hurling were pretty good in general for distancing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 21, 2020, 11:42:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
The ball thing is not important symbolism at all. You have a good few things you could get at here but that's not one of them.

Maybe we should give these stewards tazers too BB2 ;D

As I say I think you have some valid points in there but you sometimes lose them in your haste to criticise everything GAA. The picture on that teamtalkmag of dungannon supporters doesn't look good.

My view remains cordon off seats in the stand and then the rest is up to advice. Also I do believe Limerick and Tipp finals in the hurling were pretty good in general for distancing.

The point is that the pics from Semple would suggest that the GAA is capable of running a proper operation and that they might be allowed have a bigger crowd. Some of the pics from Tyrone suggest the opposite.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 11:48:46 AM
The GAA or the respective county boards though?

I get the point but there's just a lot of pettiness in the points too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 12:26:07 PM
Tyrone once again no proper measures in place. If it was a bar they would have been shut down and fines issued. U can argue all u want about what gaa done in early stages but it's no excuse for what is happening now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on September 21, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
Ulster GAA will likely come under immense pressure over the coming days to press the remaining counties to finish their championships to go behind closed doors.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on September 21, 2020, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on September 21, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
Ulster GAA will likely come under immense pressure over the coming days to press the remaining counties to finish their championships to go behind closed doors.

Two chances of that happening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on September 21, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
I don't mean Ulster Championship - they'll have total control of crowds etc but club championships - scenes like yesterday whilst unbelievable for those involved are difficult to defend in an worsening pandemic situation, adding in that some counties in the north are flouting the prescribed quota of entrances with obviously no track and trace - it's a recipe for disaster.

In stark contrast to scenes in the south at the moment.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on September 21, 2020, 01:21:02 PM
I know exactly what you mean. If the Ulster Council told Cavan to play their county final behind closed doors, the reply would be sweet.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 21, 2020, 01:53:22 PM
So Tyrones just can't behave or act responsibly?
Not helping the GAA's case going to Government looking to have some crowds at the Inter Co Championships.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40052378.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.

But then at least the GAA won't have them doing it live on television.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
The ball thing is not important symbolism at all. You have a good few things you could get at here but that's not one of them.

Maybe we should give these stewards tazers too BB2 ;D

As I say I think you have some valid points in there but you sometimes lose them in your haste to criticise everything GAA. The picture on that teamtalkmag of dungannon supporters doesn't look good.

My view remains cordon off seats in the stand and then the rest is up to advice. Also I do believe Limerick and Tipp finals in the hurling were pretty good in general for distancing.

How am I criticising 'all things GAA' by making a point you agree with that the GAA is clearly not taking this seriously enough while being outraged at ongoing restrictions?

I'm genuinely bewildered at the notion its unfair to expect stewards to enforce rules in the ground. What exactly is the point of them then?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on September 21, 2020, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.

But then at least the GAA won't have them doing it live on television.

As soon as the GAA let people through the gate it is their responsibility to ensure everyone follows the rules and even more so when they know it is being broadcast. That comes with the territory especially in the current times. The sames goes for people at home or publicians. They have a similar duty. It is impossible to defend those scenes and it just opens the door for the likes of our esteemed leader Arlene and Stephen Nolan to have a pop at the GAA. Not that they need much of an opening to do so.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 03:46:17 PM
Any one with half a brain would knee this was the likely scenario yesterday . It happened after semi final so they already had the warning . Segregate the stands , stick to the 400 limit ( over 1000 there) don't open gates and charge cash at gate, put out warning during game to stay off pitch. Do this in run up to game as well so teams supporters are informed. Not the same as before but like all walks of life people have to do their bit!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 04:17:50 PM
Les the way during the pandemic seems to be the justification! Ok so we'll deliver a few food packs so we can at a later date engage in mass gathering and shake hands with anyone we see!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
The ball thing is not important symbolism at all. You have a good few things you could get at here but that's not one of them.

Maybe we should give these stewards tazers too BB2 ;D

As I say I think you have some valid points in there but you sometimes lose them in your haste to criticise everything GAA. The picture on that teamtalkmag of dungannon supporters doesn't look good.

My view remains cordon off seats in the stand and then the rest is up to advice. Also I do believe Limerick and Tipp finals in the hurling were pretty good in general for distancing.

How am I criticising 'all things GAA' by making a point you agree with that the GAA is clearly not taking this seriously enough while being outraged at ongoing restrictions?

I'm genuinely bewildered at the notion its unfair to expect stewards to enforce rules in the ground. What exactly is the point of them then?

It's not specific to this post - it's all of them then you nit pick with "symbolism".

If you volunteered to steward would you turf someone out who wouldn't listen to you?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 04:59:59 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on September 21, 2020, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.

But then at least the GAA won't have them doing it live on television.

As soon as the GAA let people through the gate it is their responsibility to ensure everyone follows the rules and even more so when they know it is being broadcast. That comes with the territory especially in the current times. The sames goes for people at home or publicians. They have a similar duty. It is impossible to defend those scenes and it just opens the door for the likes of our esteemed leader Arlene and Stephen Nolan to have a pop at the GAA. Not that they need much of an opening to do so.

I'm more concerned about the public health implications than the optics but anyway
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
The ball thing is not important symbolism at all. You have a good few things you could get at here but that's not one of them.

Maybe we should give these stewards tazers too BB2 ;D

As I say I think you have some valid points in there but you sometimes lose them in your haste to criticise everything GAA. The picture on that teamtalkmag of dungannon supporters doesn't look good.

My view remains cordon off seats in the stand and then the rest is up to advice. Also I do believe Limerick and Tipp finals in the hurling were pretty good in general for distancing.

How am I criticising 'all things GAA' by making a point you agree with that the GAA is clearly not taking this seriously enough while being outraged at ongoing restrictions?

I'm genuinely bewildered at the notion its unfair to expect stewards to enforce rules in the ground. What exactly is the point of them then?

It's not specific to this post - it's all of them then you nit pick with "symbolism".

If you volunteered to steward would you turf someone out who wouldn't listen to you?

Yes. Wouldn't you?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
I would go as far as I could to talk someone into it. Would I go further than that? No.

In addition I would request that seats were cordoned off in the stand.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on September 21, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
Complete own goal.  Waste of time going on social media and slating Nolan for targeting GAA.  A GAA ground is 4-5 acres, social distancing with stewards, markings, seat allocation would solve this if taken seriously but I actually think we've proved we aren't capable of that.  Any run of the mill underage club game I've been at has been a free for all. We're heading full speed for a ban on attending games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Flanker on September 21, 2020, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on September 21, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
Complete own goal.  Waste of time going on social media and slating Nolan for targeting GAA.  A GAA ground is 4-5 acres, social distancing with stewards, markings, seat allocation would solve this if taken seriously but I actually think we've proved we aren't capable of that.  Any run of the mill underage club game I've been at has been a free for all. We're heading full speed for a ban on attending games.

Would it not be fairly straight forward

Participating clubs supply a number of stewards.

Given participating clubs distribute tickets to members they should know everyone who has received a ticket.

Tickets are given with a strict adhere to guidelines or you receive a club suspension and no further tickets.

If the club cannot steward its own members they receive no further ticket allocations for future games for a set period of time.

Clubs have a responsibility to ensure guidelines are adhered to or you play with no spectators

It should not be the responsibility of the host club/neutral stewards to ensure guidelines are adhered to.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 06:06:42 PM
Makes a lot of sense.

A couple of photos from yesterday don't look good. Putting sanitiser on a ball for "symbolism" is not the answer mind you ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
I would go as far as I could to talk someone into it. Would I go further than that? No.

In addition I would request that seats were cordoned off in the stand.

If you aren't willing to turf a scamp out, you aren't  a steward, you are a spectator
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.

But then at least the GAA won't have them doing it live on television.

They're still doing it. Doesn't matter where it happens.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 21, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
There's no defending  the GAA ( some Co Boards anyway) I'm sorry to say.
I was in a Church earlier, some rows of seats taped off, the rows in use had "sit here" stickers 2m apart.
Not rocket science for 200 spectators in a County Ground stand.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 21, 2020, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.

But then at least the GAA won't have them doing it live on television.

They're still doing it. Doesn't matter where it happens.

They don't have to do it, why would supporters of a club want to spread Covid in their community?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 06:32:44 PM
Ulster gaa coming out and saying should not have happened and don't want to see it again!! It happened at semi final but they were happy to turn a blind eye. If they didn't know this was going to happen yesterday then you'd have to wonder how some of them can justify their huge salaries .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:41:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 21, 2020, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.

But then at least the GAA won't have them doing it live on television.

They're still doing it. Doesn't matter where it happens.

They don't have to do it, why would supporters of a club want to spread Covid in their community?

They don't want to spread it. But they are going the right way about spreading it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
I think the All Ireland will be cancelled.

If there's a clear link between the Dungannon match and a rise in cases, can you imagine what would happen if say, Fermanagh won Ulster? That's a potential county-wide spread from celebrations.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2020, 06:53:10 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
I think the All Ireland will be cancelled.

If there's a clear link between the Dungannon match and a rise in cases, can you imagine what would happen if say, Fermanagh won Ulster? That's a potential county-wide spread from celebrations.

Or Mayo winning the All Ireland.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on September 21, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
Will supporters now be discouraged from attending games in the north if outside their postcode with the new measures coming into play from tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 21, 2020, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
I think the All Ireland will be cancelled.

If there's a clear link between the Dungannon match and a rise in cases, can you imagine what would happen if say, Fermanagh won Ulster? That's a potential county-wide spread from celebrations.

Fermanagh winning Ulster  would probably require lockdowns in Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh, at least.
But you could have appropriate celebrations, if people stand 5m apart holding a flag all the way from Clones to Irvinestown while the team passes by.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 21, 2020, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 21, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Even if Tyrone final had no fans at it, thousands would be congregating in houses and pubs, celebrating/hugging/close contact etc. The only difference being nobody would have seen it. But it still would have happened.

But then at least the GAA won't have them doing it live on television.

They're still doing it. Doesn't matter where it happens.

They don't have to do it, why would supporters of a club want to spread Covid in their community?

Why are they?

At least the GAA can say they tried
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 21, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Flanker on September 21, 2020, 05:35:10 PM

It should not be the responsibility of the host club/neutral stewards to ensure guidelines are adhered to.

Disagree. If a venue cannot safely accommodate the expected crowd the game should be elsewhere. I must have a profoundly different understanding of the roles and responsibilities of stewards.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
Tyrone gaa issued over 500 tickets when capacity was supposed to be 400! And then let people pay in !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 21, 2020, 07:15:35 PM
Some must think being a steward is just a way of getting to see a game free.
If Ulster Council are serious (which they probably are not) they should suspend the Tyrone Co Board for 12 months.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on September 21, 2020, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
Tyrone gaa issued over 500 tickets when capacity was supposed to be 400! And then let people pay in !

Therein lies the problem - just god forbid a case was tracked back to the stadium there would be so many people unaccounted for in track & trace.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: skeog on September 21, 2020, 07:38:34 PM
Fake news nobody paid in at gate.400 tickets divided between both clubs.Bit of exuberance at the end seen footage of fans in east belfast celebrating madly a couple of months ago didnt hear Arlene or 400000 a year Nolan discuss that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: delgany on September 21, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 12:26:07 PM
Tyrone once again no proper measures in place. If it was a bar they would have been shut down and fines issued. U can argue all u want about what gaa done in early stages but it's no excuse for what is happening now.

As far as I am aware, Tyrone GAA employed  a company to provide match day security, similar to guys in croke park. Security strategy was non existent though ...who will carry the can for the shambles ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 21, 2020, 08:15:02 PM
Sure give them 18 or 24 months or some other arbitrary number you made up ???

Interesting reading back there someone says 500 plus were at it and then is told that is nonsense. You read some crap on the internet.

That is what you would need - a security company. A steward and a bouncer are not the same thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LeoMc on September 21, 2020, 08:33:03 PM
Quote from: delgany on September 21, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 12:26:07 PM
Tyrone once again no proper measures in place. If it was a bar they would have been shut down and fines issued. U can argue all u want about what gaa done in early stages but it's no excuse for what is happening now.

As far as I am aware, Tyrone GAA employed  a company to provide match day security, similar to guys in croke park. Security strategy was non existent though ...who will carry the can for the shambles ?
Any security would count towards the 400, just like the players and officials. Any outside security would have been outside the ground. In earlier rounds clubs were being encouraged to steward their own part of the stand.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on September 21, 2020, 09:09:08 PM
So if it's fake news how did both teams get allocated 225 tickets each ! That was the biggest 400 people we have seen yet!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on September 22, 2020, 12:39:37 AM
Am I missing something?

Kilcar player confirmed positive case, their club has ceased activity, but the Donegal CB says the county final is still going ahead this week?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769)

The county squad is in isolation too due to a squad member testing positive for covid. I've no idea whether the Kilcar and Naomh Chonaill lads were in county training given their clubs' progress.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 22, 2020, 01:06:51 AM
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2020, 12:39:37 AM
Am I missing something?

Kilcar player confirmed positive case, their club has ceased activity, but the Donegal CB says the county final is still going ahead this week?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769)

The county squad is in isolation too due to a squad member testing positive for covid. I've no idea whether the Kilcar and Naomh Chonaill lads were in county training given their clubs' progress.

Most likely activity will resume when everyone has been tested, if they are negative.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on September 22, 2020, 08:11:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2020, 12:39:37 AM
Am I missing something?

Kilcar player confirmed positive case, their club has ceased activity, but the Donegal CB says the county final is still going ahead this week?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769)

The county squad is in isolation too due to a squad member testing positive for covid. I've no idea whether the Kilcar and Naomh Chonaill lads were in county training given their clubs' progress.

This is going to put boys off getting tested/reporting positive results.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 22, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Have we clarity on what happens when a team has a positive case?

From my view point, in Armagh, it is unclear as the rules stated:

"League
A club may seek a postponement of a fixture from the CCC if
they can satisfactorily demonstrate that in excess of 5 adult
players from the club are unavailable due to being diagnosed
positive for Covid or being considered a close contact of a
Covid case. Any such games will be refixed for a time and
date considered appropriate by the CCC."

Yet, what seemed to happen in reality is that as soon as a club had a positive case they ceased activities for a few days and the  forthcoming game was postponed.
Perhaps this is OK and is the "decent" thing to do, but there could probably be some clarity about what exactly will happen if 1 player is positive.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2020, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 22, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Have we clarity on what happens when a team has a positive case?

From my view point, in Armagh, it is unclear as the rules stated:

"League
A club may seek a postponement of a fixture from the CCC if
they can satisfactorily demonstrate that in excess of 5 adult
players from the club are unavailable due to being diagnosed
positive for Covid or being considered a close contact of a
Covid case. Any such games will be refixed for a time and
date considered appropriate by the CCC."

Yet, what seemed to happen in reality is that as soon as a club had a positive case they ceased activities for a few days and the  forthcoming game was postponed.
Perhaps this is OK and is the "decent" thing to do, but there could probably be some clarity about what exactly will happen if 1 player is positive.

Surely the close contact would apply to all players on the panel?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 22, 2020, 09:28:05 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2020, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 22, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Have we clarity on what happens when a team has a positive case?

From my view point, in Armagh, it is unclear as the rules stated:

"League
A club may seek a postponement of a fixture from the CCC if
they can satisfactorily demonstrate that in excess of 5 adult
players from the club are unavailable due to being diagnosed
positive for Covid or being considered a close contact of a
Covid case. Any such games will be refixed for a time and
date considered appropriate by the CCC."

Yet, what seemed to happen in reality is that as soon as a club had a positive case they ceased activities for a few days and the  forthcoming game was postponed.
Perhaps this is OK and is the "decent" thing to do, but there could probably be some clarity about what exactly will happen if 1 player is positive.

Surely the close contact would apply to all players on the panel?

No. This is the reason that clubrooms were not allowed to be open.  If players went into clubrooms then all players would be deemed to be close contacts, but as they are outdoors players are not deemed to be close contacts.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 22, 2020, 10:01:16 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 22, 2020, 08:11:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2020, 12:39:37 AM
Am I missing something?

Kilcar player confirmed positive case, their club has ceased activity, but the Donegal CB says the county final is still going ahead this week?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-sfc-final-to-go-ahead-despite-positive-covid-19-test-1.4360769)

The county squad is in isolation too due to a squad member testing positive for covid. I've no idea whether the Kilcar and Naomh Chonaill lads were in county training given their clubs' progress.

This is going to put boys off getting tested/reporting positive results.

Anyone that does this should be banned for life.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-7ab3-47d9-910d-ecc00acf1cf6

"Mr Gove also said the government would "pause" plans to see a gradual return of fans to sporting events from October 1."


There won't be many fans at the all Ireland Football Final. Why not play it in Achill ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 22, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-7ab3-47d9-910d-ecc00acf1cf6

"Mr Gove also said the government would "pause" plans to see a gradual return of fans to sporting events from October 1."


There won't be many fans at the all Ireland Football Final. Why not play it in Achill ?

Win the toss and play with the wind?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-7ab3-47d9-910d-ecc00acf1cf6

"Mr Gove also said the government would "pause" plans to see a gradual return of fans to sporting events from October 1."


There won't be many fans at the all Ireland Football Final. Why not play it in Achill ?

Win the toss and play with the wind?

Croke Park is awful with even 15,000 ie club finals . You can hear the seagulls talking
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 22, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Play it in Prenty's hot air balloon.
Any chance of a return of more spectators has evaporated after the irresponsible behaviours at many venues at the weekend
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 22, 2020, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-7ab3-47d9-910d-ecc00acf1cf6

"Mr Gove also said the government would "pause" plans to see a gradual return of fans to sporting events from October 1."


There won't be many fans at the all Ireland Football Final. Why not play it in Achill ?
The Financial Times?? you're a flash fécker and at Eur690 per annual subscription -  not a GAA board koshered  source. Regardless, the Republic does  not answer to Michael Gove,  aka "an appalling idiot".
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on September 22, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Play it in Prenty's hot air balloon.
Any chance of a return of more spectators has evaporated after the irresponsible behaviours at many venues at the weekend

watching tg4 last night it was obvious that the rules were not followed in almost all of the county finals. Very disappointing and reduces the chances of spectator number increasing imo.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 22, 2020, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-7ab3-47d9-910d-ecc00acf1cf6

"Mr Gove also said the government would "pause" plans to see a gradual return of fans to sporting events from October 1."


There won't be many fans at the all Ireland Football Final. Why not play it in Achill ?
The Financial Times?? you're a flash fécker and at Eur690 per annual subscription -  not a GAA board koshered  source. Regardless, the Republic does  not answer to Michael Gove,  aka "an appalling idiot".

If the Premiership and English rugby won't have fans neither with the gah.
The thing about this clip is that most  shots include fans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2GqlOYfgfw

Tough call in Croker for the Maoir uisce
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2020, 01:19:13 PM
Personally can't see the championship going ahead now. Especially with the extra restrictions in the 6 counties and talk of extra counties going to level 3 down here.

PS Smokin Joe, I wasn't aware that was the reason the dressing rooms remained closed.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ballinaman on September 22, 2020, 02:20:48 PM
Championship will start but remains to be seen if it'll finish .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2020, 01:19:13 PM
Personally can't see the championship going ahead now. Especially with the extra restrictions in the 6 counties and talk of extra counties going to level 3 down here.

PS Smokin Joe, I wasn't aware that was the reason the dressing rooms remained closed.

The GAA was going to watch other sports before deciding... 


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2020/09/22/government-putsindefinite-hold-return-spectators-threat-second/
The return of crowds to sports events has been postponed for up to six months after the Prime Minister warned that Britain was at a "perilous turning point" in tackling a second wave of coronavirus.
Boris Johnson announced that all his new lockdown measures — which also include a ban on indoor sports — would last "perhaps six months" and would have "profound consequences".
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 22, 2020, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 22, 2020, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-7ab3-47d9-910d-ecc00acf1cf6

"Mr Gove also said the government would "pause" plans to see a gradual return of fans to sporting events from October 1."


There won't be many fans at the all Ireland Football Final. Why not play it in Achill ?
The Financial Times?? you're a flash fécker and at Eur690 per annual subscription -  not a GAA board koshered  source. Regardless, the Republic does  not answer to Michael Gove,  aka "an appalling idiot".

If the Premiership and English rugby won't have fans neither with the gah.

Seafold, I'm just trying to help you here, rein you in from your wild flights of fancy on the internet.
Practice common sense and offer a link to a BBC article instead of a vault locked FT article.


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 22, 2020, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 22, 2020, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-7ab3-47d9-910d-ecc00acf1cf6

"Mr Gove also said the government would "pause" plans to see a gradual return of fans to sporting events from October 1."


There won't be many fans at the all Ireland Football Final. Why not play it in Achill ?
The Financial Times?? you're a flash fécker and at Eur690 per annual subscription -  not a GAA board koshered  source. Regardless, the Republic does  not answer to Michael Gove,  aka "an appalling idiot".

If the Premiership and English rugby won't have fans neither with the gah.

Seafold, I'm just trying to help you here, rein you in from your wild flights of fancy on the internet.
Practice common sense and offer a link to a BBC article instead of a vault locked FT article.

I don't have time to read the BBC, Main St.
There wasn't anything else of GAA interest in that article.
Gove wouldn't even know Cavan were playing Monaghan in the preliminary round. Tsk.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on September 22, 2020, 05:50:52 PM
Donegal county final is off.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: skeog on September 22, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
County looking unlikely imo.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on September 22, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
County looking unlikely imo.

There was never going to be an Inter-county Championship over the winter.  The GAA would never be able to fund such a venture.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 22, 2020, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on September 22, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
County looking unlikely imo.

There was never going to be an Inter-county Championship over the winter.  The GAA would never be able to fund such a venture.

The government are giving them some money to keep going, the Dublin government that is, I expect the 6 counties will give them sfa.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 09:45:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2020, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on September 22, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
County looking unlikely imo.

There was never going to be an Inter-county Championship over the winter.  The GAA would never be able to fund such a venture.

The government are giving them some money to keep going, the Dublin government that is, I expect the 6 counties will give them sfa.


Would some money be enough?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2020, 01:09:59 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 09:45:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2020, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on September 22, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
County looking unlikely imo.

There was never going to be an Inter-county Championship over the winter.  The GAA would never be able to fund such a venture.

The government are giving them some money to keep going, the Dublin government that is, I expect the 6 counties will give them sfa.


Would some money be enough?
€40m I believe
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 23, 2020, 01:23:49 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on September 22, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
County looking unlikely imo.

There was never going to be an Inter-county Championship over the winter.  The GAA would never be able to fund such a venture.
Noted for future reference
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 23, 2020, 01:56:07 AM
Some sporting bodies don't mess around
In the N.F.L., which so far has avoided cancelling any games, three head coaches have been fined for not wearing masks on the sidelines during games on Sunday, a league source, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed.

Pete Carroll of the Seattle Seahawks, Vic Fangio of the Denver Broncos and Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco 49ers were each fined $100,000, with an additional $250,000 fine levied against their respective teams.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 23, 2020, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2020, 01:56:07 AM
Some sporting bodies don't mess around
In the N.F.L., which so far has avoided cancelling any games, three head coaches have been fined for not wearing masks on the sidelines during games on Sunday, a league source, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed.

Pete Carroll of the Seattle Seahawks, Vic Fangio of the Denver Broncos and Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco 49ers were each fined $100,000, with an additional $250,000 fine levied against their respective teams.


AFL taking a similar stance. Due to the outbreak in Victoria, the AFL has received concessions for the teams to live in Queesnland in hubs or bubbles. This requires them to isolate from the general public, although I believe they are allowed some limited contact (shop for essential groceries, go for a walk etc but no hanging around).

Breaches have been met with fines of up to $100k, which is pretty severe given the relative paucity of the AFL compared to NFL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-afl-fines-four-clubs-for-protocol-breaches/12513618 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-afl-fines-four-clubs-for-protocol-breaches/12513618)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/495991/kicked-out-of-queensland-10-match-ban-for-tiger-pair-asked-to-pay-huge-fine (https://www.afl.com.au/news/495991/kicked-out-of-queensland-10-match-ban-for-tiger-pair-asked-to-pay-huge-fine)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 23, 2020, 10:49:38 AM
Breaking News Donegal County Final Postponed
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 23, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 23, 2020, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2020, 01:56:07 AM
Some sporting bodies don't mess around
In the N.F.L., which so far has avoided cancelling any games, three head coaches have been fined for not wearing masks on the sidelines during games on Sunday, a league source, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed.

Pete Carroll of the Seattle Seahawks, Vic Fangio of the Denver Broncos and Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco 49ers were each fined $100,000, with an additional $250,000 fine levied against their respective teams.


AFL taking a similar stance. Due to the outbreak in Victoria, the AFL has received concessions for the teams to live in Queesnland in hubs or bubbles. This requires them to isolate from the general public, although I believe they are allowed some limited contact (shop for essential groceries, go for a walk etc but no hanging around).

Breaches have been met with fines of up to $100k, which is pretty severe given the relative paucity of the AFL compared to NFL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-afl-fines-four-clubs-for-protocol-breaches/12513618 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-afl-fines-four-clubs-for-protocol-breaches/12513618)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/495991/kicked-out-of-queensland-10-match-ban-for-tiger-pair-asked-to-pay-huge-fine (https://www.afl.com.au/news/495991/kicked-out-of-queensland-10-match-ban-for-tiger-pair-asked-to-pay-huge-fine)

But one of the articles you linked stated that the AFL Players Association has said the club can't penalise the duo beyond the League's 10-game ban, under the terms agreed between the AFL and the players' union. So the club gets fined and the players get a few weeks off.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 23, 2020, 11:19:26 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-fallout-from-tyrone-final-celebrations-will-concern-gaa-1.4361739?mode=amp
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on September 22, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
County looking unlikely imo.

There was never going to be an Inter-county Championship over the winter.  The GAA would never be able to fund such a venture.

How expensive is running 40 games in smaller grounds?

I do not for a second accept that the FAI, who are broke, can run the LoI with no crowds and still pay players but a knockout cup is beyond the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2020, 12:35:37 PM
Why not Johnny?

Of course it won't have the same atmosphere, but it still provides the competition that elite players yearn for.

And I'd expect that with a whitewash TV and streaming service, and a truncated schedule (why not play Weds / Sun, and put an end to weeks of mid-season training?),  it wouldn't be much worse off than cost neutral.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 01:01:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2020, 12:35:37 PM
Why not Johnny?

Of course it won't have the same atmosphere, but it still provides the competition that elite players yearn for.

And I'd expect that with a whitewash TV and streaming service, and a truncated schedule (why not play Weds / Sun, and put an end to weeks of mid-season training?),  it wouldn't be much worse off than cost neutral.

I'd be all on for it, but considering the furore by those for their own particular reasons gurning about Bridie and Hughie in the wiles of Connemara not having access when Sky Sports put some games behind a paywall would Croke Park be a bit retiscent?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
Think about the implications of not playing the championship. Think of the implications of not playing it to save a few quid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?

I think the reason clubs were playing first,, was because the GAA thought the club championships wouldn't get finished before another lockdown.

No point the GAA spending stupid amounts of money promoting the county season only for it to fall on its arse. Better to use the club season as the guinea pig, where the costs are lower, logistics not as big.

Then if all pans out ok, the GAA will look good for accommodating the club season first. If the county season doesn't happen, they still look good, for the same reason. And they've saved a shitload of money.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
The GAA played the club season first as the vast majority of registered players play the club game.

Nothing more sinister than that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?

I think the reason clubs were playing first,, was because the GAA thought the club championships wouldn't get finished before another lockdown.

No point the GAA spending stupid amounts of money promoting the county season only for it to fall on its arse. Better to use the club season as the guinea pig, where the costs are lower, logistics not as big.

Then if all pans out ok, the GAA will look good for accommodating the club season first. If the county season doesn't happen, they still look good, for the same reason. And they've saved a shitload of money.

Whats the logistical difference?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 23, 2020, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?

I think the reason clubs were playing first,, was because the GAA thought the club championships wouldn't get finished before another lockdown.

No point the GAA spending stupid amounts of money promoting the county season only for it to fall on its arse. Better to use the club season as the guinea pig, where the costs are lower, logistics not as big.

Then if all pans out ok, the GAA will look good for accommodating the club season first. If the county season doesn't happen, they still look good, for the same reason. And they've saved a shitload of money.

Whats the logistical difference?

Eh, clubs play only in their own county or even within part of their county, their games are not that far away.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?

I think the reason clubs were playing first,, was because the GAA thought the club championships wouldn't get finished before another lockdown.

No point the GAA spending stupid amounts of money promoting the county season only for it to fall on its arse. Better to use the club season as the guinea pig, where the costs are lower, logistics not as big.

Then if all pans out ok, the GAA will look good for accommodating the club season first. If the county season doesn't happen, they still look good, for the same reason. And they've saved a shitload of money.

Whats the logistical difference?

Well, you have lots of things in the county game, you wouldn't necessarily have in the club game, or things needed on a bigger scale

Sponsors will want their monies worth, not a half finished championship. There's the money involved in setting up and accommodating the tv/media. TV coverage/contracts. I'd imagine there are implications with sponsors/contracts if the championship couldn't be finished. Sanitising stadiums, hiring of emergency services. Promotion/advertising of games would be on a bigger scale too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2020, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?

I think the reason clubs were playing first,, was because the GAA thought the club championships wouldn't get finished before another lockdown.

No point the GAA spending stupid amounts of money promoting the county season only for it to fall on its arse. Better to use the club season as the guinea pig, where the costs are lower, logistics not as big.

Then if all pans out ok, the GAA will look good for accommodating the club season first. If the county season doesn't happen, they still look good, for the same reason. And they've saved a shitload of money.

Whats the logistical difference?

Eh, clubs play only in their own county or even within part of their county, their games are not that far away.
Down hurlers are meant to play Derry in the league final in October in Croke Park. Players can't travel together, can't use the changing rooms or the warm up area before the game. Can't get showered after the game and they're meant to head straight home. There's a fair few issues in that one game alone
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2020, 03:10:43 PM
There's not so many issues if the game was rearranged for the Dub in Belfast.

Would anyone really want to play in Croke in front of 400 spectators?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2020, 03:10:43 PM
There's not so many issues if the game was rearranged for the Dub in Belfast.

Would anyone really want to play in Croke in front of 400 spectators?
I agree. And you could say that about all the proposed intercounty matches. I still think it will all go ahead if there's a bit of sense shown by the GAA with venues
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 05:40:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2020, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?

I think the reason clubs were playing first,, was because the GAA thought the club championships wouldn't get finished before another lockdown.

No point the GAA spending stupid amounts of money promoting the county season only for it to fall on its arse. Better to use the club season as the guinea pig, where the costs are lower, logistics not as big.

Then if all pans out ok, the GAA will look good for accommodating the club season first. If the county season doesn't happen, they still look good, for the same reason. And they've saved a shitload of money.

Whats the logistical difference?

Eh, clubs play only in their own county or even within part of their county, their games are not that far away.

So a bit of petrol for team coaches to go further.

That it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 23, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 23, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I could never see the point in playing the intercounty games behind closed doors in the first place which made me think that the reason the clubs were promoted first was that there was a hope that this would all be over or controlled in time for the IC season to take place in October.

That's not going to be the case so (apart from the risk to the players and officials) is there a chance that we could see the IC season happen behind closed doors but with a PPV option for fans?

Is this too big of a step for some, but considering the relative success of the club games being made available online is this an option?

I think the reason clubs were playing first,, was because the GAA thought the club championships wouldn't get finished before another lockdown.

No point the GAA spending stupid amounts of money promoting the county season only for it to fall on its arse. Better to use the club season as the guinea pig, where the costs are lower, logistics not as big.

Then if all pans out ok, the GAA will look good for accommodating the club season first. If the county season doesn't happen, they still look good, for the same reason. And they've saved a shitload of money.

Whats the logistical difference?

Well, you have lots of things in the county game, you wouldn't necessarily have in the club game, or things needed on a bigger scale

Sponsors will want their monies worth, not a half finished championship. There's the money involved in setting up and accommodating the tv/media. TV coverage/contracts. I'd imagine there are implications with sponsors/contracts if the championship couldn't be finished. Sanitising stadiums, hiring of emergency services. Promotion/advertising of games would be on a bigger scale too.

None of those are logistical or not required for club games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 23, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
Munster championships fixtures confirmed.

Munster Senior Hurling Championship

Clare v Limerick - Semple Stadium Thurles, Sunday, 25 October at 3.45pm

Cork v Waterford - Semple Stadium Thurles, Saturday 31 October at 3.30pm

Tipperary v Clare or Limerick - LIT Gaelic Grounds or Páirc Uí Chaoimh , Sunday, 1 November at 4pm

Munster Final, Sunday, 15 November at 4pm

Munster Senior Football Championship

Limerick v Waterford - Fraher Field Dungarvan, Saturday 31 October at 7pm

Clare v Tipperary - Semple Stadium Thurles, Sunday 1 November at 1pm

Limerick or Waterford v Clare or Tipperary - Fraher Field Dungarvan, LIT Gaelic Grounds or Cusack Park Ennis, Saturday 7 November at 1.15pm

Cork v Kerry - Páirc Uí Chaoimh, Sunday 8 November at 4pm

Munster Final, Sunday 22 November at 1.30pm

Bord Gáis Energy Munster Hurling Under-20 Championship

Cork v Kerry - Austin Stack Park Tralee, Monday 19 October at 6.30pm 

Clare v Tipperary - Semple Stadium Thurles, Monday 19 October at 7.30pm

Waterford v Clare or Tipperary - Fraher Field Dungarvan or Sixmilebridge, Monday 26 October at 3.15pm 

Limerick v Cork or Kerry - LIT Gaelic Grounds or Austin Stack Park Tralee, Monday 26 October at 5pm 

Munster Final, Wednesday 11 November at 7.30pm

Electric Ireland Munster Hurling Minor Championship

Clare v Cork - Semple Stadium Thurles, Wednesday 11 November at 7.30pm

Kerry v Tipperary - LIT Gaelic Grounds, Sunday 18 October at 1pm

Waterford v Kerry or Tipperary - Páirc Uí Rinn, Friday 30 October at 6.30pm 

Limerick v Clare or Cork - Semple Stadium Thurles, Friday 30 October at 6.30pm 

Munster Minor Hurling Final, Saturday 14 November at 1pm

Electric Ireland Munster Football Minor Championship

Clare v Tipperary  Semple Stadium Thurles, Saturday 24 October at 1pm 

Limerick v Waterford  LIT Gaelic Grounds, Saturday 24 October at 1pm

Cork v Kerry  Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney, Saturday 7 November at 1pm 

Limerick or Waterford v Clare or Tipperary in Fraher Field Dungarvan, LIT Gaelic Grounds or Cusack Park Ennis, Sunday 8 November at 1pm 

Munster Minor Football Final, Saturday 14 November at 1pm   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 23, 2020, 08:11:38 PM
is it time to call off the championship
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hoof Hearted on September 23, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
Is there anybody seriously looking forward to it ?
Cany get excited about it at all
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on September 23, 2020, 08:51:20 PM
i was looking forward to tyrone v donegal under lights on  Halloween night but now they playing the game on Sunday and all Ireland final on Saturday completely under lights be interesting.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 23, 2020, 08:53:03 PM
I'm looking forward to Monaghan beating Cavan,  tumbelweed blowing in the terraces won't diminish that pleasure.
But I would like at least 500 spectators there, half to celebrate and half to suffer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 23, 2020, 09:00:28 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 23, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
Is there anybody seriously looking forward to it ?
Cany get excited about it at all
I'm look forward to the last two remaining NFL games more than a knock out winter championship.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 23, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
This too though I'm from Antrim so usually it's a short championship.

Maybe more the hurling.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 23, 2020, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 23, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
Is there anybody seriously looking forward to it ?
Cany get excited about it at all
Same here. Maybe when/if the NFL restarts I might get interested.
But if I can't go to the games I will find it hard to get excited.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 24, 2020, 12:13:51 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
This too though I'm from Antrim so usually it's a short championship.

Maybe more the hurling.

Antrim will be in the championship 6 days longer than Tyrone and Derry.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 24, 2020, 01:13:33 AM
You'll have to repeatedly  taser Tyrone to get rid of them so fast, though it's a nice thought.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on September 24, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Most people seem to think it's a given Donegal would beat Tyrone. Far from it.

It'll be interesting to see how the tv works on this. As someone said hard to get as excited if you can't go to it but given the inconsistency of rules we'll maybe all just be able to watch it in a bar instead so at least there'll be some atmosphere ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2020, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2020, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 23, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
Is there anybody seriously looking forward to it ?
Cany get excited about it at all
Same here. Maybe when/if the NFL restarts I might get interested.
But if I can't go to the games I will find it hard to get excited.

Same here. Still on a high after Sunday though, but in a month's time it will probably be different. As you said not being able to go to the games isn't the same.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2020, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2020, 08:11:38 PM
is it time to call off the championship
Why?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 24, 2020, 11:19:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Most people seem to think it's a given Donegal would beat Tyrone. Far from it.

We live in hope.

QuoteIt'll be interesting to see how the tv works on this. As someone said hard to get as excited if you can't go to it but given the inconsistency of rules we'll maybe all just be able to watch it in a bar instead so at least there'll be some atmosphere ;D

Some posters here seem to take great interest despite living in the US and so are only seeing games on TV, we are all in the same boat if in fact our game is on TV!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on September 24, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Most people seem to think it's a given Donegal would beat Tyrone. Far from it.

It'll be interesting to see how the tv works on this. As someone said hard to get as excited if you can't go to it but given the inconsistency of rules we'll maybe all just be able to watch it in a bar instead so at least there'll be some atmosphere ;D

Who thinks this?

I'd have it 50/50.

Especially with no crowd packing out Ballybofey.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on September 24, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2020, 08:53:03 PM
I'm looking forward to Monaghan beating Cavan,  tumbelweed blowing in the terraces won't diminish that pleasure.
But I would like at least 500 spectators there, half to celebrate and half to suffer.

If this Cavan team beat Monaghan it will be a really sweat one as it will surely signify the end of this Monaghan team. I hope all of Monaghan is tuned in to watch it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 24, 2020, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Most people seem to think it's a given Donegal would beat Tyrone. Far from it.

It'll be interesting to see how the tv works on this. As someone said hard to get as excited if you can't go to it but given the inconsistency of rules we'll maybe all just be able to watch it in a bar instead so at least there'll be some atmosphere ;D

Who thinks this?

I'd have it 50/50.

Especially with no crowd packing out Ballybofey.

Will have a fair idea what type of shape/form both are in from their two NFL games

Donegal v Tyrone round 6 game October 17th/18th

Tyrone away to Mayo and Donegal away to Kerry in round 7.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on September 24, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2020, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2020, 08:11:38 PM
is it time to call off the championship
Why?

It will only get worse before it gets better. Donegal going into lockdown for 3 weeks from tonight.

The club scene was managed fairly well because its played within the County. Counties travelling to other areas a different scenario.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2020, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 24, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2020, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 23, 2020, 08:11:38 PM
is it time to call off the championship
Why?

It will only get worse before it gets better. Donegal going into lockdown for 3 weeks from tonight.

The club scene was managed fairly well because its played within the County. Counties travelling to other areas a different scenario.

Yet the LoI can manage it....

Start testing players now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 24, 2020, 07:00:44 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40054448.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on September 24, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Does anyone still think there will be a championship??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 24, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Does anyone still think there will be a championship??

In the past with millions lost with little or no supporters in attendance i would have said no. Right now we know the government have promised millions if they run the championship and more money will likely come for the latest news that every game will be broadcast live. So it's a maybe as all still depends on the rate of infection and the country not going into level 4 by November.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: twohands!!! on September 24, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 24, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Does anyone still think there will be a championship??

In the past with millions lost with little or no supporters in attendance i would have said no. Right now we know the government have promised millions if they run the championship and more money will likely come for the latest news that every game will be broadcast live. So it's a maybe as all still depends on the rate of infection and the country not going into level 4 by November.

The GAA will be doing everything in their power to hold a championship even behind closed doors.
I saw a figure of €11 million for the television rights last year. No way in hell are the GAA going to turn down this money given the overall GAA financial situation.
There's probably a few million money in terms of sponsorship money from the 6 championship sponsors and a bit of cash from Allianz for completing the league.

The fact that there is a special exemption at Level 4 for inter-county and professional matches is a clear indication that the Republic's government is on board with the championship going ahead if at all possible.

The thing is there is a reasonable possibility that some team might have to drop out if there are cases amongst players or management, which given there are 63 county squads is definitely not beyond the bounds of possibility.

There is also the possibility that if things get bad in Northern Ireland, different restrictions could be put in place which might mean that all the NI counties might be forced to drop out.
I tried to find anything specific about championship games in NI but couldn't find anything as concrete as in the Republic's plan.
Also given Arlene's recent comments, I wouldn't be surprised if she blocked/didn't allow the same exemption Dublin did.
If this happens I think the GAA woukd still go ahead with the 26 counties (as long as none of the 26 are at level 5)
You wonder what would happen if Dublin was at Level 5 and the other 31 counties were at Level 2, 3 or 4.
What would happen if it was Level 5 in all the 26 and games were allowed in the North ?

Overall I think there is a pretty decent chance the championship goes ahead - the big thing for me is the exemption allowing inter-county games at Level 4.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 24, 2020, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 24, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 24, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Does anyone still think there will be a championship??

In the past with millions lost with little or no supporters in attendance i would have said no. Right now we know the government have promised millions if they run the championship and more money will likely come for the latest news that every game will be broadcast live. So it's a maybe as all still depends on the rate of infection and the country not going into level 4 by November.

The GAA will be doing everything in their power to hold a championship even behind closed doors.
I saw a figure of €11 million for the television rights last year. No way in hell are the GAA going to turn down this money given the overall GAA financial situation.
There's probably a few million money in terms of sponsorship money from the 6 championship sponsors and a bit of cash from Allianz for completing the league.

The fact that there is a special exemption at Level 4 for inter-county and professional matches is a clear indication that the Republic's government is on board with the championship going ahead if at all possible.

The thing is there is a reasonable possibility that some team might have to drop out if there are cases amongst players or management, which given there are 63 county squads is definitely not beyond the bounds of possibility.

There is also the possibility that if things get bad in Northern Ireland, different restrictions could be put in place which might mean that all the NI counties might be forced to drop out.
I tried to find anything specific about championship games in NI but couldn't find anything as concrete as in the Republic's plan.
Also given Arlene's recent comments, I wouldn't be surprised if she blocked/didn't allow the same exemption Dublin did.
If this happens I think the GAA woukd still go ahead with the 26 counties (as long as none of the 26 are at level 5)
You wonder what would happen if Dublin was at Level 5 and the other 31 counties were at Level 2, 3 or 4.
What would happen if it was Level 5 in all the 26 and games were allowed in the North ?

Overall I think there is a pretty decent chance the championship goes ahead - the big thing for me is the exemption allowing inter-county games at Level 4.

I assumed such exemptions weren't allowed for level 4. If its only hundreds are allowed to attend the GAA shouldn't be saying no to that as its some gate receipt money instead of none.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 24, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
The Super cup final between Bayern Munich and Sevilla on tonight in Budapest with around 20,000 in attendance in a 68,000 capacity stadium and to think we might only have 200-500 supporters at GAA Championship matches this winter in Croke Park?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: twohands!!! on September 24, 2020, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 24, 2020, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 24, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 24, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Does anyone still think there will be a championship??

In the past with millions lost with little or no supporters in attendance i would have said no. Right now we know the government have promised millions if they run the championship and more money will likely come for the latest news that every game will be broadcast live. So it's a maybe as all still depends on the rate of infection and the country not going into level 4 by November.

The GAA will be doing everything in their power to hold a championship even behind closed doors.
I saw a figure of €11 million for the television rights last year. No way in hell are the GAA going to turn down this money given the overall GAA financial situation.
There's probably a few million money in terms of sponsorship money from the 6 championship sponsors and a bit of cash from Allianz for completing the league.

The fact that there is a special exemption at Level 4 for inter-county and professional matches is a clear indication that the Republic's government is on board with the championship going ahead if at all possible.

The thing is there is a reasonable possibility that some team might have to drop out if there are cases amongst players or management, which given there are 63 county squads is definitely not beyond the bounds of possibility.

There is also the possibility that if things get bad in Northern Ireland, different restrictions could be put in place which might mean that all the NI counties might be forced to drop out.
I tried to find anything specific about championship games in NI but couldn't find anything as concrete as in the Republic's plan.
Also given Arlene's recent comments, I wouldn't be surprised if she blocked/didn't allow the same exemption Dublin did.
If this happens I think the GAA woukd still go ahead with the 26 counties (as long as none of the 26 are at level 5)
You wonder what would happen if Dublin was at Level 5 and the other 31 counties were at Level 2, 3 or 4.
What would happen if it was Level 5 in all the 26 and games were allowed in the North ?

Overall I think there is a pretty decent chance the championship goes ahead - the big thing for me is the exemption allowing inter-county games at Level 4.

I assumed such exemptions weren't allowed for level 4. If its only hundreds are allowed to attend the GAA shouldn't be saying no to that as its some gate receipt money instead of none.

The exemption is that matches are allowed to take place, not that spectators are allowed.

Level 1 and 2 means matches with limited spectators.
Level 3 and 4 means matches but no spectators.
Level 5 means no games at all.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 25, 2020, 10:41:51 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Does anyone still think there will be a championship??
I expect for financial reasons (media and sponsors €€€€s) we will be having a competition called "Championship".
However if some Counties can't prepare fully and others may have to concede games it will only be in effect a tournament.
And if no spectators....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ballinaman on September 25, 2020, 12:39:49 PM
Oh it'll be great during the dark days of winter ...nah, it'll be a load of bollox
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 25, 2020, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2020, 12:39:49 PM
Oh it'll be great during the dark days of winter ...nah, it'll be a load of bollox
Hurling in the shite and the cold. It will be a strange championship.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 25, 2020, 04:41:17 PM
Connacht senior football championship fixtures and venues.

November 1st 1:15pm

Leitrim v Mayo -Páirc Sean

Semi finals

Galway v Sligo - Pearse Stadium November 7th 1:15pm

Roscommon v Leitrim or Mayo Hyde Park 1.30pm November 8th

Connacht final November 15th 1.30pm
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 25, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
And the NFL back after a 7 month break.

NFL round 6
October 17th

Div 1
Monaghan v Kerry - Inniskeen, 2pm
Dublin v Meath, Parnell Park 7pm  - Eir Sports

Div 2
Westmeath v Laois - Cusack Park 2pm
Armagh v Roscommon - Athletic Grounds 5.30pm    RTE

Div 3
Cork v Louth - Pairc Ui Chaoimh 4pm
Derry v Longford - Celtic Park  4.30pm
Down v Leitrim - Pairc Esler 5pm

Div 4
Wicklow v Antrim Aughrim 2pm
Carlow v Sligo  Cullen Park 5pm

October 18th

Div 1
Galway v Mayo - Tuam Staduim 2pm TG4 live
Donegal v Tyrone - Ballybofey - 4pm TG4 live

Div 2
Clare v Fermanagh - Cusack park Ennis 1pm
Kildare v Cavan - Newbridge 2pm  TG4 deferred

Div 3
Tipperary v Offaly - Semple Staduim 1pm
Div 4
Limerick v Wexford - Neville Park 1pm

NFL Round 7
October 24th

Div 1
Kerry v Donegal  - Austin Stack Park 2pm

Div 2
Cavan v Roscommon - Breffni park 2pm
Clare v Armagh -Ennis 2pm
Kildare v Westmeath - Newbridge 2pm
Fermanagh v Laois - Brewster Park 2pm

Div 4
Antrim v Waterford - Portglenone 2pm
Wexford v Wicklow - Wexford Park 2pm
Sligo v Limerick - Markievicz Park 2pm

October 25th

Div 1
Galway v Dublin - Pearse Stadium 2pm
Mayo v Tyrone - MacHale Park 2pm
Monaghan v Meath - Clones 2pm

Div 3
Longford v Cork - Pearse Park 2pm
Louth v Down - Drogheda 2pm
Leitrim v Tipperary - Pairc Sean 2pm
Offaly v Derry - O'Connor Park 2pm
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 25, 2020, 10:28:34 PM
€15m from Dublin government for GAA, LGFA and Camogie to run their championships.
No doubt Michelle O'Neills government will ensure a proportionate sum from Stormont.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 25, 2020, 11:20:19 PM
What's left after Dublin GAA take their slice?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 26, 2020, 12:18:45 AM
Longford Inter and Senior Semi Finals plus Laythrum Inter Final off this weekend due to th'oul Virus.
Inter County must be heading for 50/50 at best next month?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 26, 2020, 01:11:52 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 25, 2020, 10:28:34 PM
€15m from Dublin government for GAA, LGFA and Camogie to run their championships.
No doubt Michelle O'Neills government will ensure a proportionate sum from Stormont.
Never thought about that.
I'm sure the question will be put to Michelle or, more probably, Arlene sometime soon. The response will be interesting.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on September 26, 2020, 09:28:40 AM
A football championship played during the winter without any crowds will be drab. Counties will be dropping like flies into Level 3 or higher and this will cause confusion over fixtures. There are far more worthy projects to spend the 15m on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 26, 2020, 09:29:50 AM
I expect the IFA also have problems although perhaps their crowds will fit within the Covid guidelines. Likewise Ulster Rugby.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2020, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 24, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
The Super cup final between Bayern Munich and Sevilla on tonight in Budapest with around 20,000 in attendance in a 68,000 capacity stadium and to think we might only have 200-500 supporters at GAA Championship matches this winter in Croke Park?

Why open Croker at all? If its behind closed doors smaller grounds will do fine at a fraction of the cost
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 26, 2020, 11:47:44 AM
It's a long way off, but surely the GAA need to look at grounds nearer hand, instead of Croke Park.

I mean, if crowds are limited to 400-500, then for the likes of All Ireland semis, say if Kerry play Galway, why bring them all the way to Dublin? Limerick/Thurles would do.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 26, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2020, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 24, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
The Super cup final between Bayern Munich and Sevilla on tonight in Budapest with around 20,000 in attendance in a 68,000 capacity stadium and to think we might only have 200-500 supporters at GAA Championship matches this winter in Croke Park?

Why open Croker at all? If its behind closed doors smaller grounds will do fine at a fraction of the cost
And take Dublin out of Croke Park??? :o
Couldn't be having that!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 26, 2020, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2020, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 24, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
The Super cup final between Bayern Munich and Sevilla on tonight in Budapest with around 20,000 in attendance in a 68,000 capacity stadium and to think we might only have 200-500 supporters at GAA Championship matches this winter in Croke Park?

Why open Croker at all? If its behind closed doors smaller grounds will do fine at a fraction of the cost
And take Dublin out of Croke Park??? :o
Couldn't be having that!

Dublins first NFL match in October is played in Parnell Park a trial run for the championship perhaps?.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 26, 2020, 01:33:02 PM
Are most clubs still training underage atm or is covid having any influence on this?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2020, 04:48:32 PM
Hopefully Donegal will have come out of level 3 restrictions on the 16th October. What if it's extended for a week? Sports are hardly 'essential' services are they?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 26, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2020, 04:48:32 PM
Hopefully Donegal will have come out of level 3 restrictions on the 16th October. What if it's extended for a week? Sports are hardly 'essential' services are they?

Sports are not in general, "elite" sports can go ahead, including intercounty, behind closed doors.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 26, 2020, 07:35:16 PM
In Galway today.

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Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on September 26, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
good to see in galway.. looks a decent number at the Cavan final!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 26, 2020, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 26, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2020, 04:48:32 PM
Hopefully Donegal will have come out of level 3 restrictions on the 16th October. What if it's extended for a week? Sports are hardly 'essential' services are they?

Sports are not in general, "elite" sports can go ahead, including intercounty, behind closed doors.

Training even at club level still allowed in pods of 15
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: StephenC on September 26, 2020, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 26, 2020, 01:33:02 PM
Are most clubs still training underage atm or is covid having any influence on this?

We're still training away at all levels.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 26, 2020, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 26, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
good to see in galway.. looks a decent number at the Cavan final!!
Only supposed to have 200?
Most enjoyable game of football with an exciting finish thrown in for good measure.
Morrissey seemed to think Creeslough from Donegal were playing in the first quarter.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on September 26, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2020, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 26, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
good to see in galway.. looks a decent number at the Cavan final!!
Only supposed to have 200?
Most enjoyable game of football with an exciting finish thrown in for good measure.
Morrissey seemed to think Creeslough from Donegal were playing in the first quarter.

very entertaining game alright... at HT you could see the other side of the pitch and those on the terrace.. easily over 200 as close to that or more in the stand.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: mrdeeds on September 26, 2020, 09:35:54 PM
Each club apparently only got 50 tickets but then club breffni be allowed in to.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on September 26, 2020, 10:24:38 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 26, 2020, 09:35:54 PM
Each club apparently only got 50 tickets but then club breffni be allowed in to.

Why was there not extra time played?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on September 26, 2020, 11:38:03 PM
There doesn't have to be extra time in finals. The County board and Clubs agreed beforehand to a replay.
You'd rather win or lose a final in 60 minutes, then in penalties like in Tyrone last week. Great for Dungannon to win on penalties not really the way a final should be decided
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2020, 11:43:01 AM
Generally the senior final in the event of a draw goes to a replay. Most counties have adopted a different approach it seems this year, clubs would be well aware of it beforehand and any issues would have been raised at the time.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 27, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0926/1167666-o-se-gaas-problem-is-lack-of-fixture-wriggle-room/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on September 27, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 26, 2020, 11:38:03 PM
There doesn't have to be extra time in finals. The County board and Clubs agreed beforehand to a replay.
You'd rather win or lose a final in 60 minutes, then in penalties like in Tyrone last week. Great for Dungannon to win on penalties not really the way a final should be decided
Why does there have to be penalties after ET?  Could they not have agreed to play extra time and if still a draw, replay the game.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on September 27, 2020, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2020, 11:43:01 AM
Generally the senior final in the event of a draw goes to a replay. Most counties have adopted a different approach it seems this year, clubs would be well aware of it beforehand and any issues would have been raised at the time.

Why not in Tyrone then?

My view is that the Tyrone county board/management wanted the championship sorted out ASAP so the county team could take priority. God forbid they'd have a couple of county players focused on their clubs for an extra week!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on September 27, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
Needless in Tyrone. 4 games to complete the championship (knockout football) and its a rush job. This was a time when the Clubs were first over County .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2020, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 27, 2020, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2020, 11:43:01 AM
Generally the senior final in the event of a draw goes to a replay. Most counties have adopted a different approach it seems this year, clubs would be well aware of it beforehand and any issues would have been raised at the time.

Why not in Tyrone then?

My view is that the Tyrone county board/management wanted the championship sorted out ASAP so the county team could take priority. God forbid they'd have a couple of county players focused on their clubs for an extra week!

Like I said, counties have changed their view on it this year, Cavan obviously agreed to have a replay, thought maybe even an extra time then a replay if still a draw, but having been involved as player manager and ref, senior games generally go straight to replay after 60mins, this year slightly different!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 27, 2020, 05:02:20 PM
Should be no rush this year by county boards with no provincial championships.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on September 27, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Theres a snobbery in some quarters that penalties is fpr some reason beneath GAA, its more associated with that aul soccer ball (the horror).
With regards the Tyrone final, what would these folk propose if in the week between games one of the clubs went down with the virus, or if new restrictions were imposed.
We need to get the games done asap in this current climate.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 27, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 27, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Theres a snobbery in some quarters that penalties is fpr some reason beneath GAA, its more associated with that aul soccer ball (the horror).
With regards the Tyrone final, what would these folk propose if in the week between games one of the clubs went down with the virus, or if new restrictions were imposed.
We need to get the games done asap in this current climate.

I don't feel its snobbery to have the opinion that penalties shouldn't be used to find a winner in a county final. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 27, 2020, 07:55:36 PM
I'd prefer a race to two points myself ie on the close of AET, no team talks, no changes, no additional rules. Basically the first team to score 2 points (or a goal), wins.

But failing that, penalties is better than a replay. If every other sport on the world can conclude knockout competitions on the day, there's no reason why we can't.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 27, 2020, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 27, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
Needless in Tyrone. 4 games to complete the championship (knockout football) and its a rush job. This was a time when the Clubs were first over County .

When the fixture planning was originally drawn up, no one knew if/when a further lockdown would come so there was little argument against all championship matches finishing on the day especially with a limited crowd able to be in attendance. Everything's great with hindsight - this was an extraordinary situation that required extraordinary measures & fixture planning. Nevertheless a lot of clubs close to the Co. Donegal border have suspended activities with the local upsurge in cases in north Tyrone as well as the restrictions put in place in Donegal itself - the first round of the girls U16 league last Thursday night had more than half the games cancelled due to these factors.

Interestingly in Tyrone last weekend an Under 14 Grade 4 league final between Derrylaughan & Eskra had the coaches refuse to have their sides take part in a penalty shoot-out after they were drawn AET and agreed to a replay instead, breaking protocol but nevertheless the county board acquiesced and a replay was held yesterday which Derrylaughan won. I wonder what would have happened if Trillick & Dungannon gave a similar joint refusal after drawing AET themselves?

But the clubs (Senior final) would have agreed beforehand to go to ET and penalties. Bit daft to agree to it before the game then decide, nah f**k that for a game of darts!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on September 27, 2020, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 27, 2020, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 27, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
Needless in Tyrone. 4 games to complete the championship (knockout football) and its a rush job. This was a time when the Clubs were first over County .

When the fixture planning was originally drawn up, no one knew if/when a further lockdown would come so there was little argument against all championship matches finishing on the day especially with a limited crowd able to be in attendance. Everything's great with hindsight - this was an extraordinary situation that required extraordinary measures & fixture planning. Nevertheless a lot of clubs close to the Co. Donegal border have suspended activities with the local upsurge in cases in north Tyrone as well as the restrictions put in place in Donegal itself - the first round of the girls U16 league last Thursday night had more than half the games cancelled due to these factors.

Interestingly in Tyrone last weekend an Under 14 Grade 4 league final between Derrylaughan & Eskra had the coaches refuse to have their sides take part in a penalty shoot-out after they were drawn AET and agreed to a replay instead, breaking protocol but nevertheless the county board acquiesced and a replay was held yesterday which Derrylaughan won. I wonder what would have happened if Trillick & Dungannon gave a similar joint refusal after drawing AET themselves?

But the clubs (Senior final) would have agreed beforehand to go to ET and penalties. Bit daft to agree to it before the game then decide, nah f**k that for a game of darts!
You could abandon the penalty shoot out while it's in progress
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2020, 08:31:09 PM
Still wrong, no matter if the County chair steps in. Why agree to it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on September 27, 2020, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 27, 2020, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 27, 2020, 07:55:36 PM
I'd prefer a race to two points myself ie on the close of AET, no team talks, no changes, no additional rules. Basically the first team to score 2 points (or a goal), wins.

But failing that, penalties is better than a replay. If every other sport on the world can conclude knockout competitions on the day, there's no reason why we can't.
The race to 2 points would be harsh on the team playing against the gale. I also don't think penalties are a big problem.

You're right. But the role of one player - the keeper - in a penalty shoot out is too prominent it be a a fairer way to resolve things imho.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smort on September 28, 2020, 07:26:55 AM
My 2c... The scoring system in Gaelic football is goals and points, not just goals like soccer.  I don't like penalties as during normal time you can score a point from a penalty kick but in penalties themselves we have adopted a soccer approach where you have to score a goal.

I'd rather have free kicks as this is more of an in-game skill which reflects our game and the players skillset. All soccer players know how to kick a stationary ball 11 yards, whether this is a pass, shot, penalty, whatever, it's something they do all day everyday. This is not something Gaelic players do. We have skills and s scoring system of our own, we don't need to steal from.soccer
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on September 28, 2020, 10:13:59 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with using penalties but the one change I would make is to have points count. It takes away any argument about aping soccer and it would also throw another variable in that's still a natural part of the game. It would give takers something else to think about. And if it comes down to the final penalty and all a fella has to do is tap it over the bar, then so be it. That happens in matches too
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: clarshack on September 28, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Nothing wrong with penalties to decide a game.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 12:21:03 PM
What's going to be the protocol for the return of the league/championship?

Have they any testing systems for county teams like they do in the pro sports?

You'd imagine teams should be tested twice weekly to see if any players are positive? How feasible that is for the GAA I don't know but they should be funding something along these lines.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 28, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
What about a team set dance and a bit of Scor? Three local celebrities to score?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on September 28, 2020, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 28, 2020, 07:47:45 AM
rather than something that involves kicking the ball as many of our players don't do this very often.
Maybe have a catching and kicking competition.....
Would weed out an awful lot of "footballers" ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on September 28, 2020, 10:13:59 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with using penalties but the one change I would make is to have points count. It takes away any argument about aping soccer and it would also throw another variable in that's still a natural part of the game. It would give takers something else to think about. And if it comes down to the final penalty and all a fella has to do is tap it over the bar, then so be it. That happens in matches too

Unfair advantage for the team going second surely?

Sudden death and one team misses, all the next player has to do is pop it over the bar.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on September 28, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 27, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 27, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Theres a snobbery in some quarters that penalties is fpr some reason beneath GAA, its more associated with that aul soccer ball (the horror).
With regards the Tyrone final, what would these folk propose if in the week between games one of the clubs went down with the virus, or if new restrictions were imposed.
We need to get the games done asap in this current climate.

I don't feel its snobbery to have the opinion that penalties shouldn't be used to find a winner in a county final.

If i had 10p for everytime id read "penalty shootouts have no place in our games", id have a couple of quid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: square_ball on September 28, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 28, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 27, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 27, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Theres a snobbery in some quarters that penalties is fpr some reason beneath GAA, its more associated with that aul soccer ball (the horror).
With regards the Tyrone final, what would these folk propose if in the week between games one of the clubs went down with the virus, or if new restrictions were imposed.
We need to get the games done asap in this current climate.

I don't feel its snobbery to have the opinion that penalties shouldn't be used to find a winner in a county final.

If i had 10p for everytime id read "penalty shootouts have no place in our games", id have a couple of quid.

And another few quid for someone saying they are a horrible way to lose. Is there a nice way to lose a match?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: The PRO on September 28, 2020, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 28, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 28, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 27, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 27, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Theres a snobbery in some quarters that penalties is fpr some reason beneath GAA, its more associated with that aul soccer ball (the horror).
With regards the Tyrone final, what would these folk propose if in the week between games one of the clubs went down with the virus, or if new restrictions were imposed.
We need to get the games done asap in this current climate.

I don't feel its snobbery to have the opinion that penalties shouldn't be used to find a winner in a county final.

If i had 10p for everytime id read "penalty shootouts have no place in our games", id have a couple of quid.

And another few quid for someone saying they are a horrible way to lose. Is there a nice way to lose a match?

Yes, it's so nice to lose by 10 or 12 points! Or to a last minute goal. Or a dodgy free in injury time. Much nicer....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on September 28, 2020, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on September 28, 2020, 10:13:59 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with using penalties but the one change I would make is to have points count. It takes away any argument about aping soccer and it would also throw another variable in that's still a natural part of the game. It would give takers something else to think about. And if it comes down to the final penalty and all a fella has to do is tap it over the bar, then so be it. That happens in matches too

Unfair advantage for the team going second surely?

Sudden death and one team misses, all the next player has to do is pop it over the bar.

Don't miss and you won't be in that situation
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 28, 2020, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 28, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 28, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 27, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 27, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Theres a snobbery in some quarters that penalties is fpr some reason beneath GAA, its more associated with that aul soccer ball (the horror).
With regards the Tyrone final, what would these folk propose if in the week between games one of the clubs went down with the virus, or if new restrictions were imposed.
We need to get the games done asap in this current climate.

I don't feel its snobbery to have the opinion that penalties shouldn't be used to find a winner in a county final.

If i had 10p for everytime id read "penalty shootouts have no place in our games", id have a couple of quid.

And another few quid for someone saying they are a horrible way to lose. Is there a nice way to lose a match?

It's a horrible way to lose a county final.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on September 28, 2020, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 12:21:03 PM
What's going to be the protocol for the return of the league/championship?

Have they any testing systems for county teams like they do in the pro sports?

You'd imagine teams should be tested twice weekly to see if any players are positive? How feasible that is for the GAA I don't know but they should be funding something along these lines.

Rapid testing it seems.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0925/1167526-gaa-looking-to-introduce-rapid-testing-programme/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2020, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 28, 2020, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 12:21:03 PM
What's going to be the protocol for the return of the league/championship?

Have they any testing systems for county teams like they do in the pro sports?

You'd imagine teams should be tested twice weekly to see if any players are positive? How feasible that is for the GAA I don't know but they should be funding something along these lines.

Rapid testing it seems.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0925/1167526-gaa-looking-to-introduce-rapid-testing-programme/

They'd need something as I can't see intercounty going ahead without the use of the changing rooms.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on September 28, 2020, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2020, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 28, 2020, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 12:21:03 PM
What's going to be the protocol for the return of the league/championship?

Have they any testing systems for county teams like they do in the pro sports?

You'd imagine teams should be tested twice weekly to see if any players are positive? How feasible that is for the GAA I don't know but they should be funding something along these lines.

Rapid testing it seems.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0925/1167526-gaa-looking-to-introduce-rapid-testing-programme/

They'd need something as I can't see intercounty going ahead without the use of the changing rooms.

They seem resistant to routine testing, this is only testing if there is a case in the squad.
No doubt the Dubs will have a fleet of mobile homes to provide each player with their own changing room, just him and his own physio.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on September 28, 2020, 07:23:16 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/malachy-clerkin-nothing-compares-to-rich-tapestry-of-sound-offered-up-by-gaa-match-1.4365719
Think about it. The braying of an NFL goon squad is surely as nothing compared to the rich tapestry of sound offered up by a GAA champo crowd in full cry. It's not just roaring, you know. Well, a lot of it is but there's roaring and there's roaring.
There's Parade Roaring, for which you need a panoramic 360-degree sound effect, lifting and listing in waves as the players march around the pitch. It will need to be long and sustained and if you wish to throw in archive footage of Jack McCaffrey smiling at the crowd, knock yourself out. No, he won't be there this year but the crowds won't either so they cancel each other out. Underlay it with some brass parping from the Artane Band and you're away.
There's First Score Roaring, which has its own sub-categories, depending on the context. You'll need a button for First Score By An Underdog and one for First Score By A Favourite. There'll have to be separate buttons for First Score - Goal, First Score - Point, First Goal - Free. And of course, First Score - After Four Wides And The Concession Of An Own Goal. Space will be tight so for brevity, just call that the Mayo button.
In general play, you'll need a button for Throw-In Roaring, preceded always by F**king Throw It In Ref Roaring. You won't get by without a button for the roar that rises behind a goalkeeper's nets if he's taking too long over a kick-out. Nor will you retain a lot of credibility unless you have one for the roar when a freetaker is stealing yards or when a time-wasting defender kicks the ball away. This will be important in Tyrone games.
It's not all noise, either. There's plenty of nuance in the silence of a GAA crowd too
On the disciplinary side of things, that specific off-camera roar that greets an off-the-ball jab in the ribs is a must. In fact, you'll need two roars here - one that says the lad on the ground is the worst actor since De Niro tried comedy and another conveying the need for the birch to be brought back to deal with the brute standing over him. Actually, come to think of it, you'll need three more on top - one for a yellow card, one for a red and one for the cop-out yellow apiece.
And let's not by coy about it. We're all grown-ups here, realists in all things. There'll have to be some boo buttons too. The championship won't be complete without the righteous anger of the Hill 16 purists who will accept the ball being passed backwards only if Ciarán Kilkenny does it. Or the howls of the Kilkenny cognoscenti who have blind-eyed 20 years of Brian Cody coursing referees but by God they won't be putting up with Davy Fitz's oul' shite on the line.
It's not all noise, either. There's plenty of nuance in the silence of a GAA crowd too. There's the quiet of the 20th minute in an Ulster football game, with two teams looking at each other across the Clones grass with nothing to say, like a bad first date.
And if you have a button for that, you're going to need one for the last 60 minutes of a Dublin game in Leinster. Indeed, this year's Leinster football final is likely to be the only fixture in world sport where the crowd will actually be louder than it was in the 2019 equivalent, due to the stamping of feet we'll need to do to keep warm as another massacre is played out before us.
Five weeks, lads and lassies. If there aren't whole departments in RTÉ and Sky beavering away on this already, Croke Park need to have a word.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: twohands!!! on September 29, 2020, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 28, 2020, 07:23:16 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/malachy-clerkin-nothing-compares-to-rich-tapestry-of-sound-offered-up-by-gaa-match-1.4365719
Think about it. The braying of an NFL goon squad is surely as nothing compared to the rich tapestry of sound offered up by a GAA champo crowd in full cry. It's not just roaring, you know. Well, a lot of it is but there's roaring and there's roaring.
There's Parade Roaring, for which you need a panoramic 360-degree sound effect, lifting and listing in waves as the players march around the pitch. It will need to be long and sustained and if you wish to throw in archive footage of Jack McCaffrey smiling at the crowd, knock yourself out. No, he won't be there this year but the crowds won't either so they cancel each other out. Underlay it with some brass parping from the Artane Band and you're away.
There's First Score Roaring, which has its own sub-categories, depending on the context. You'll need a button for First Score By An Underdog and one for First Score By A Favourite. There'll have to be separate buttons for First Score - Goal, First Score - Point, First Goal - Free. And of course, First Score - After Four Wides And The Concession Of An Own Goal. Space will be tight so for brevity, just call that the Mayo button.
In general play, you'll need a button for Throw-In Roaring, preceded always by F**king Throw It In Ref Roaring. You won't get by without a button for the roar that rises behind a goalkeeper's nets if he's taking too long over a kick-out. Nor will you retain a lot of credibility unless you have one for the roar when a freetaker is stealing yards or when a time-wasting defender kicks the ball away. This will be important in Tyrone games.
It's not all noise, either. There's plenty of nuance in the silence of a GAA crowd too
On the disciplinary side of things, that specific off-camera roar that greets an off-the-ball jab in the ribs is a must. In fact, you'll need two roars here - one that says the lad on the ground is the worst actor since De Niro tried comedy and another conveying the need for the birch to be brought back to deal with the brute standing over him. Actually, come to think of it, you'll need three more on top - one for a yellow card, one for a red and one for the cop-out yellow apiece.
And let's not by coy about it. We're all grown-ups here, realists in all things. There'll have to be some boo buttons too. The championship won't be complete without the righteous anger of the Hill 16 purists who will accept the ball being passed backwards only if Ciarán Kilkenny does it. Or the howls of the Kilkenny cognoscenti who have blind-eyed 20 years of Brian Cody coursing referees but by God they won't be putting up with Davy Fitz's oul' shite on the line.
It's not all noise, either. There's plenty of nuance in the silence of a GAA crowd too. There's the quiet of the 20th minute in an Ulster football game, with two teams looking at each other across the Clones grass with nothing to say, like a bad first date.
And if you have a button for that, you're going to need one for the last 60 minutes of a Dublin game in Leinster. Indeed, this year's Leinster football final is likely to be the only fixture in world sport where the crowd will actually be louder than it was in the 2019 equivalent, due to the stamping of feet we'll need to do to keep warm as another massacre is played out before us.
Five weeks, lads and lassies. If there aren't whole departments in RTÉ and Sky beavering away on this already, Croke Park need to have a word.

The typo? here makes for a fairly scary mental image.
Don't be giving him ideas as the man says.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 01, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
No spectators at sporting events in the Derry and Strabane council area
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 01, 2020, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 01, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
No spectators at sporting events in the Derry and Strabane council area

Will the Derry footballers notice?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sensethetone on October 02, 2020, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2020, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 01, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
No spectators at sporting events in the Derry and Strabane council area

Will the Derry footballers notice?

;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

Maybe they could just play it off this weekend?

Forget about matches and go straight to penalties - a 32 team knockout penalty shoot out competition for the All-Ireland

It'd be box office
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 02, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

Maybe they could just play it off this weekend?

Forget about matches and go straight to penalties - a 32 team knockout penalty shoot out competition for the All-Ireland

It'd be box office

Let's use rock, paper, scissors to find All Ireland winner this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Harold Disgracey on October 02, 2020, 07:42:26 PM
Swift, and correct, response from Armagh.

**Statement from Armagh GAA: All club activity suspended until further notice**

Following a meeting of Armagh County Management Committee this evening (Friday 2 October), the decision has been taken with immediate effect, to suspend all club activity until further notice.

Armagh GAA Chairperson, Michael Savage commented,
"Following an update today on the significant rise in cases across the north combined with a number of our clubs adversely impacted.

"This decision has not been taken lightly but we believe this is the right and responsible decision to safeguard our members and our communities. 

"We will review this situation in consultation with Ulster GAA in the coming days and we urge all members to continue to follow the public health advice."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 02, 2020, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

And that from an optimist!

Kerry will isolate on the Blasket Islands and will emerge unscathed and reclaim what is rightly theirs.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 02, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

Maybe they could just play it off this weekend?

Forget about matches and go straight to penalties - a 32 team knockout penalty shoot out competition for the All-Ireland

It'd be box office

Let's use rock, paper, scissors to find All Ireland winner this year.

Rock has been used to decide the All-Ireland winner in six of the last seven years
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 02, 2020, 09:11:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 02, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

Maybe they could just play it off this weekend?

Forget about matches and go straight to penalties - a 32 team knockout penalty shoot out competition for the All-Ireland

It'd be box office

Let's use rock, paper, scissors to find All Ireland winner this year.

Rock has been used to decide the All-Ireland winner in six of the last seven years

Paper beats rock, GPS trackers do not.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 09:15:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 02, 2020, 09:11:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 02, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 02, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

Maybe they could just play it off this weekend?

Forget about matches and go straight to penalties - a 32 team knockout penalty shoot out competition for the All-Ireland

It'd be box office

Let's use rock, paper, scissors to find All Ireland winner this year.

Rock has been used to decide the All-Ireland winner in six of the last seven years

Paper beats rock, GPS trackers do not.
No wonder Dublin players never spoke to the press during the Championship
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: twohands!!! on October 02, 2020, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 02, 2020, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

And that from an optimist!

Kerry will isolate on the Blasket Islands and will emerge unscathed and reclaim what is rightly theirs.

The two counties with the lowest 14 day rate per 100,000 as of yesterday were Kerry and Leitrim.

I mean everyone knows that was the going to be inevitable All-Ireland pairing anyway.

May as well not bother going throught the motions with the other games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 02, 2020, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 02, 2020, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 02, 2020, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Derry Optimist on October 02, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

And that from an optimist!

Kerry will isolate on the Blasket Islands and will emerge unscathed and reclaim what is rightly theirs.

The two counties with the lowest 14 day rate per 100,000 as of yesterday were Kerry and Leitrim.

I mean everyone knows that was the going to be inevitable All-Ireland pairing anyway.

May as well not bother going throught the motions with the other games.

Who will change their jersey?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 03, 2020, 07:33:13 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1003/1169212-mcconville-armagh-hit-nuclear-button-by-halting-action/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on October 03, 2020, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2020, 07:33:13 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1003/1169212-mcconville-armagh-hit-nuclear-button-by-halting-action/

Uncharacteristically for him, I think Oisin is a bit wide of the mark here.

From what I've heard, there are a few issues in Armagh right now:
1. Cases within the county panel, which has knocked them out of action.
2. A large number of case in one club that had a championship win the other week, which has now knocked them out too.
3. Cases in clubs dotted throughout the county, which was threatening their ability to field teams over the next few weeks.

To frame the shutdown as a response to issues 1 & 2 is misleading, when issue 3 was the most serious cause for concern.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 03, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
https://t.co/hlTw8E0YIv (https://t.co/hlTw8E0YIv)

That's a great read about two boys steeped in Antrim Gaa who thankfully recovered from being near the brink.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 03, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
Ed a few things

1- Only one club had to officially close

2- The lads that attended Armagh training were from the above club

3- A few cases dotted around clubs is no reason to cancel all

4- All Oisan asked for was the evidence that the cases happened and were passed in direct correlation with the return to play. Going drinking in pubs after matches are not return to play

4- What if we don't get a vaccine ?

Cancel all in October ?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 04, 2020, 09:49:06 AM
Have people seen Shane Curran's tweet last night (@shanetcurran) He is refusing to manage Durrow in the Offlay county final today because he believes Offaly Co.Board are ignoring serious Covid-19 problems just to get the game played.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 10:51:38 AM
Heard that.
What's the problem?
Games on in most Counties this weekend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 04, 2020, 11:04:12 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 04, 2020, 09:49:06 AM
Have people seen Shane Curran's tweet last night (@shanetcurran) He is refusing to manage Durrow in the Offlay county final today because he believes Offaly Co.Board are ignoring serious Covid-19 problems just to get the game played.
Qu'ils mangent de la brioche
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 10:51:38 AM
Heard that.
What's the problem?
Games on in most Counties this weekend.

That game shouldn't be going ahead would be the problem.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Ed Ricketts on October 04, 2020, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 03, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
Ed a few things

1- Only one club had to officially close

2- The lads that attended Armagh training were from the above club

3- A few cases dotted around clubs is no reason to cancel all

4- All Oisan asked for was the evidence that the cases happened and were passed in direct correlation with the return to play. Going drinking in pubs after matches are not return to play

4- What if we don't get a vaccine ?

Cancel all in October ?

Not sure what you think you've added, but nothing here contradicts my point.

If it had just been the county panel and Forkhill with a number of cases, then yeah, shut them down for a fortnight and let the rest bang on.

But it wasn't. Cases were emerging much more widely. That's the point I didn't see from McConville, and that I don't think you grasp either.

Armagh is one of only a few counties trying to run fully functional leagues this year. The remaining matches are important for clubs fighting for promotion or against relegation. There has been an explosion of case numbers in the last week across much of the north, with the council areas covering Armagh county hardest hit after Derry and Belfast. Against this backdrop, several clubs throughout the county were going to be facing difficult decisions about going ahead with matches. The shutdown takes that pressure off and gives everyone time to see how things are playing out and to plan for the rest of the year.

The transmissibility of the virus in a sporting setting, or the prospects of vaccine development are irrelevant to the decision made.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 10:51:38 AM
Heard that.
What's the problem?
Games on in most Counties this weekend.

That game shouldn't be going ahead would be the problem.
Why not exactly?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 10:51:38 AM
Heard that.
What's the problem?
Games on in most Counties this weekend.

That game shouldn't be going ahead would be the problem.
Why not exactly?

Still awaiting covid test results.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 04, 2020, 01:42:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 10:51:38 AM
Heard that.
What's the problem?
Games on in most Counties this weekend.

That game shouldn't be going ahead would be the problem.
Why not exactly?

Still awaiting covid test results.

If someone is a contact and is awaiting the results of a test then they should be isolating, they should not be playing sport. If the Offaly county boards are implying that people should play sports then they are well out of order. But they are probably implying that the team should field without the affected player and this is what is bugging the manager.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 04, 2020, 02:29:15 PM
How were Donegal allowed play Mayo in a challenge yesterday, in Sligo?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 04, 2020, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 04, 2020, 02:29:15 PM
How were Donegal allowed play Mayo in a challenge yesterday, in Sligo?

Intercounty is classified as an "elite" sport, subject to different rules.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 04, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 04, 2020, 01:42:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 10:51:38 AM
Heard that.
What's the problem?
Games on in most Counties this weekend.

That game shouldn't be going ahead would be the problem.
Why not exactly?

Still awaiting covid test results.

If someone is a contact and is awaiting the results of a test then they should be isolating, they should not be playing sport. If the Offaly county boards are implying that people should play sports then they are well out of order. But they are probably implying that the team should field without the affected player and this is what is bugging the manager.

But if we look at other side of this, player A is injured and needs a week or 2 to get right. Develop a cough, get a doc to send you for a test and game is called off. I dont think sport can proceed unless only a sizeable cluster in a region is allowed postpone a game.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 04, 2020, 07:57:20 PM
I think what has happened in Armagh has shown how difficult it is going to be run a competitive inter county season.

During the summer as soon as there was a positive case, the club "shut down" and all the squad members were sent off to test. The Armagh County Board facilitated the postponement of all of these games; which is probably the correct thing to do given the circumstances.
But as it's getting down to the sharp end of the season and time is running out there has been real friction between trying to "force" teams to play the game when they have players being tested or self isolating and calling the games off.

Are the GAA really clear in their own mind what will happen if a team has a positive case in the run up to the game?  Will they force a team to play, regardless?

If they do, this has a number of dangers; one of which is that there may be other team members asymptomatic and so will the opposition be happy to play them.
Or the possibility, which is way more serious is that a positive player may not tell the management he is postive as he doesn't want to miss out. Or is there the potential for the management to keep quiet that a really key player is positive?

If games are going to be forced to be played, the above is a possibility, and if they can be postponed then there is a strong possibility the thing will never get finished; as appears to be the case in Armagh at the minute.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Very well socially distanced crowd at the cork final.

(Agree with above. Bit of a mess.)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 08:21:01 PM
Talk of all 26 Counties going to Level 3 or even Level 4 :(
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on October 04, 2020, 08:41:39 PM
You are spot.  There's a big onus on club committees to do the right thing if they learn of a positive.  But what is the right thing to do?  In North the PHA are only recommending that rest of squad be careful, but they don't need to isolate, whereas many will think a 14 day shut down is necessary.  God help committees at the moment.
Level 5 in the South would shut down the whole show?

Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 04, 2020, 07:57:20 PM
I think what has happened in Armagh has shown how difficult it is going to be run a competitive inter county season.

During the summer as soon as there was a positive case, the club "shut down" and all the squad members were sent off to test. The Armagh County Board facilitated the postponement of all of these games; which is probably the correct thing to do given the circumstances.
But as it's getting down to the sharp end of the season and time is running out there has been real friction between trying to "force" teams to play the game when they have players being tested or self isolating and calling the games off.

Are the GAA really clear in their own mind what will happen if a team has a positive case in the run up to the game?  Will they force a team to play, regardless?

If they do, this has a number of dangers; one of which is that there may be other team members asymptomatic and so will the opposition be happy to play them.
Or the possibility, which is way more serious is that a positive player may not tell the management he is postive as he doesn't want to miss out. Or is there the potential for the management to keep quiet that a really key player is positive?

If games are going to be forced to be played, the above is a possibility, and if they can be postponed then there is a strong possibility the thing will never get finished; as appears to be the case in Armagh at the minute.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 08:21:01 PM
Talk of all 26 Counties going to Level 3 or even Level 4 :(

Level 5 reported now for tomorrow. That will end the slim hope for the NFL and Championship to be played in a few weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 04, 2020, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 08:21:01 PM
Talk of all 26 Counties going to Level 3 or even Level 4 :(

Level 5 reported now for tomorrow. That will end the slim hope for the NFL and Championship to be played in a few weeks.
Why?

Play the damn games whenever they can be played

If that means the championship can't start until late November or December and the championship has to be pushed into January or February or even March, so be it

The reality is that the GAA will have a problem scheduling any games for the foreseeable future, therefore it must play them when it can, whenever that is
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: tonto1888 on October 04, 2020, 09:30:10 PM
What does level 5 mean?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: laoislad on October 04, 2020, 09:32:11 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 04, 2020, 09:30:10 PM
What does level 5 mean?
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 04, 2020, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2020, 08:21:01 PM
Talk of all 26 Counties going to Level 3 or even Level 4 :(

Level 5 reported now for tomorrow. That will end the slim hope for the NFL and Championship to be played in a few weeks.
Why?

Play the damn games whenever they can be played

If that means the championship can't start until late November or December and the championship has to be pushed into January or February or even March, so be it

The reality is that the GAA will have a problem scheduling any games for the foreseeable future, therefore it must play them when it can, whenever that is

Agreed. Winter the wrong time so push into next year.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 04, 2020, 09:41:44 PM
Well done to all the counties that managed to get their club championship finished. The last time the government applied these restrictions it took two months for some of them to be eased.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on October 04, 2020, 09:45:59 PM
They shouldn't be making county players train through this farce.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 04, 2020, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Very well socially distanced crowd at the cork final.

(Agree with above. Bit of a mess.)

Cork Co. Board learned their lesson. Videos went around twitter during the week of Glanmire winning the minor football final. Stand was packed with no social distancing.

At this stage they should just cancel the rest of the season once the club championships are completed. Dublin is in lock down, Cork should be in lock down and cases are going up all over the country. It's only a matter of time before games get called off due to players getting Covid-19
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 04, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
As well put a pin in the Championship for 2020, see if they can get the 2 rounds of the league finished off though.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 04, 2020, 10:03:00 PM
Big issues in Fermanagh.
Entire league programme today called off due to positive tests in several clubs across the county
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 10:05:03 PM
Antrim the same.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on October 04, 2020, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 10:05:03 PM
Antrim the same.
Is it?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 04, 2020, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 04, 2020, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Very well socially distanced crowd at the cork final.

(Agree with above. Bit of a mess.)

Cork Co. Board learned their lesson. Videos went around twitter during the week of Glanmire winning the minor football final. Stand was packed with no social distancing.

At this stage they should just cancel the rest of the season once the club championships are completed. Dublin is in lock down, Cork should be in lock down and cases are going up all over the country. It's only a matter of time before games get called off due to players getting Covid-19

The Cork GAA public didn't learn their lesson:
https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08 (https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08)
This is disgraceful stuff and there's no excuse in the world for it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Dougal Maguire on October 04, 2020, 11:20:05 PM
Can't understand how the Derry County Finals went ahead given the COVID situation there
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 04, 2020, 11:30:12 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 04, 2020, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 10:05:03 PM
Antrim the same.
Is it?

I actually played for our seniors yesterday! Think though we were the only game that was played
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on October 04, 2020, 11:20:05 PM
Can't understand how the Derry County Finals went ahead given the COVID situation there

It seems to be mainly the city where it's bad and the only game that involved a City team went ahead behind closed doors the intermediate final.

For the County Final there is no way possible there were only 400 spectators there and there wasn't a pile of social distancing. I know plenty who have rocked up and paid at the gate in recent weeks!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 12:14:04 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 04, 2020, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 04, 2020, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Very well socially distanced crowd at the cork final.

(Agree with above. Bit of a mess.)

Cork Co. Board learned their lesson. Videos went around twitter during the week of Glanmire winning the minor football final. Stand was packed with no social distancing.

At this stage they should just cancel the rest of the season once the club championships are completed. Dublin is in lock down, Cork should be in lock down and cases are going up all over the country. It's only a matter of time before games get called off due to players getting Covid-19

The Cork GAA public didn't learn their lesson:
https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08 (https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08)
This is disgraceful stuff and there's no excuse in the world for it.

This has gone down really badly on social media, if that matters.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 12:19:59 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 04, 2020, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 04, 2020, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Very well socially distanced crowd at the cork final.

(Agree with above. Bit of a mess.)

Cork Co. Board learned their lesson. Videos went around twitter during the week of Glanmire winning the minor football final. Stand was packed with no social distancing.

At this stage they should just cancel the rest of the season once the club championships are completed. Dublin is in lock down, Cork should be in lock down and cases are going up all over the country. It's only a matter of time before games get called off due to players getting Covid-19

The Cork GAA public didn't learn their lesson:
https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08 (https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08)
This is disgraceful stuff and there's no excuse in the world for it.

Is there any county that has come out of this with credit? Kilkenny perhaps.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 12:29:23 AM
Any Armagh lafs conform or deny? Forkhill won junior and went on the piss. 31 of 33 panel and coaches are now down and 100 cases in the village.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 05, 2020, 08:12:20 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 12:14:04 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 04, 2020, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 04, 2020, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Very well socially distanced crowd at the cork final.

(Agree with above. Bit of a mess.)

Cork Co. Board learned their lesson. Videos went around twitter during the week of Glanmire winning the minor football final. Stand was packed with no social distancing.

At this stage they should just cancel the rest of the season once the club championships are completed. Dublin is in lock down, Cork should be in lock down and cases are going up all over the country. It's only a matter of time before games get called off due to players getting Covid-19

The Cork GAA public didn't learn their lesson:
https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08 (https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=08)
This is disgraceful stuff and there's no excuse in the world for it.

This has gone down really badly on social media, if that matters.

The GAA and particularly local clubs rightly got a lot of kudos for their overall response and assistance to vulnerable members of the community earlier in the year, they have fucked this all away the past few weeks.
The pictures of people huddled together in stands up and down the whole island, it's mind blowing to me the sheer level of stupidity on display, that march by Blackrock yesterday is beyond belief when you think about what is potentially going to happen with restriction levels here this week.
GAA giving it the big one to NHPET earlier on looks even more like the height of arrogance now, it's not been every club by any means, but enough GAA members and clubs have shown absolute contempt through their behaviour for those of us who have had to make huge sacrifices this year by continuing to do the right thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on October 05, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Absolutely woeful from gaa and county boards since games resumed. Deserve to be shut down. Crowding, hugging, over attendances, opening gates . No efforts to curtail it. How hard is it to spray down a few marks?!. Every dog on the street knows that partying after games and for days is the biggest threat but not a word about it from clubs or boards. Teams heading to the capitals from binges days after finals and then coming back to their communities .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 05, 2020, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

I follow Jamie Bryson on Twitter and he has called it out.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2020, 10:24:57 AM
How many counties still have club finals to play off, Donegal and?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

The GAA aren't exactly helping themselves as pointed out by previous posters. John Horan was quick to call out NPHET when they introduced limitiations but the silence from Croke Park has been deafening the last few weeks as you see all the videos/tv pictures of clubs and/or county boards ignoring social distancing rules   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2020, 10:24:57 AM
How many counties still have club finals to play off, Donegal and?

Laois in football anyway I believe. Portlaoise lost the quarter final yesterday.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on October 05, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 05, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Absolutely woeful from gaa and county boards since games resumed. Deserve to be shut down. Crowding, hugging, over attendances, opening gates . No efforts to curtail it. How hard is it to spray down a few marks?!. Every dog on the street knows that partying after games and for days is the biggest threat but not a word about it from clubs or boards. Teams heading to the capitals from binges days after finals and then coming back to their communities .

Fair enough, but there is a level of personal responsibility here.  People are being willfully irresponsible and the fact that an awful lot of people are now extremely cynical about Covid precautions is not something the GAA can do much about. This is particularly the case at club level, where you are not only asking a chairman to set down rules in regard to championship celebrations, but then to enforce them.   That might mean rebuking players, club mates and neighbours about social distancing.  But what then about private house parties etc?  What can they do about that?

The bottom line is that there is now a large proportion of the country that doesn't want to be told to wear a mask or social distance as they think it is all a load of shit.  They may have done everything right before, but following endless mixed messages and inconsistency, they have now had enough and there is no telling people - no matter how selfish it might seem.

We had almost 1,000 cases in one day last Friday in the north. I would expect that to be significantly exceeded early this week and continue to grow exponentially unless there is another lockdown of sorts.  If the disease is as dangerous as it was in the spring, sooner or later that will translate into significant increases in hospital admissions and that's where this becomes a major problem. 

Getting back to the GAA's responsibility, the only way is probably to shut it down, then the clubs will not be put in such an invidious position. The leadership is required at the top, not at the bottom. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
Horan needs to to make the call now and not wait to see what the government are going to do, I'm sure a lot of people around the country at this stage couldn't care less who wins the All-Ireland this year. Shut it down Mr Horan......shut it down now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

The GAA aren't exactly helping themselves as pointed out by previous posters. John Horan was quick to call out NPHET when they introduced limitiations but the silence from Croke Park has been deafening the last few weeks as you see all the videos/tv pictures of clubs and/or county boards ignoring social distancing rules
Main thing that isn't helping is the mixed messages and state of confusion.

GAA asked for clarity as to why the 200 ( number including players officials etc) at matches in ROI suddenly became zero. Only for weeks later with a higher covid case loads 200 supporters was allowed to attend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on October 05, 2020, 10:45:35 AM
I believe clubs are looking for guidance from croke park and would be happy with a halt to the season. The gaa intercounty season could continue with no  spectators but club games are giving us bad press at the minute and something we don't need. The GAA was brilliant during lockdown but all that good work is being done away with.  The GAA need to lead again on this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 05, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

The GAA aren't exactly helping themselves as pointed out by previous posters. John Horan was quick to call out NPHET when they introduced limitiations but the silence from Croke Park has been deafening the last few weeks as you see all the videos/tv pictures of clubs and/or county boards ignoring social distancing rules
Main thing that isn't helping is the mixed messages and state of confusion.

GAA asked for clarity as to why the 200 ( number including players officials etc) at matches in ROI suddenly became zero. Only for weeks later with a higher covid case loads 200 supporters was allowed to attend.

This is giving people a cop out that they don't deserve, at no stage has anyone in authority said that social distancing has been done away with. The lack of personal responsibility from GAA supporters is indefensible and will certainly be a contributing factor to costing us the inter county season as now looks likely.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 05, 2020, 11:06:26 AM
Agreed Fhairce but why didn't the GAA lay down the law to spectators from the start?.
200 people on 5,000 seat stands all let huddle together.
Not a lot they could do about supporters gathering afterwards but couldn't all Championship winning clubs be told in advance not to hold any mass celebrations?
No matter what levels we go to in the 26 or what "circuit breakers" in the 6 it's time the GAA abandoned inter County for 2020 and leave it at that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 05, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

The GAA aren't exactly helping themselves as pointed out by previous posters. John Horan was quick to call out NPHET when they introduced limitiations but the silence from Croke Park has been deafening the last few weeks as you see all the videos/tv pictures of clubs and/or county boards ignoring social distancing rules
Main thing that isn't helping is the mixed messages and state of confusion.

GAA asked for clarity as to why the 200 ( number including players officials etc) at matches in ROI suddenly became zero. Only for weeks later with a higher covid case loads 200 supporters was allowed to attend.

This is giving people a cop out that they don't deserve, at no stage has anyone in authority said that social distancing has been done away with. The lack of personal responsibility from GAA supporters is indefensible and will certainly be a contributing factor to costing us the inter county season as now looks likely.

Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on October 05, 2020, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 05, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

The GAA aren't exactly helping themselves as pointed out by previous posters. John Horan was quick to call out NPHET when they introduced limitiations but the silence from Croke Park has been deafening the last few weeks as you see all the videos/tv pictures of clubs and/or county boards ignoring social distancing rules
Main thing that isn't helping is the mixed messages and state of confusion.

GAA asked for clarity as to why the 200 ( number including players officials etc) at matches in ROI suddenly became zero. Only for weeks later with a higher covid case loads 200 supporters was allowed to attend.

This is giving people a cop out that they don't deserve, at no stage has anyone in authority said that social distancing has been done away with. The lack of personal responsibility from GAA supporters is indefensible and will certainly be a contributing factor to costing us the inter county season as now looks likely.

Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.

I find it nuts that the GAA are pushing ahead with minor and U20/21 intercounty games let alone the senior championships.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.

Yes, but people need to stop doing what they were doing, be they factories or sport bodies. Those factories do not purport to be community organisations, they are there to make money, but the GAA should have a higher ambition.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 05, 2020, 11:14:11 AM

I find it nuts that the GAA are pushing ahead with minor and U20/21 intercounty games let alone the senior championships.

Don't think they were going too until the government gave them millions to push ahead with the championships. If the government agree on a nationwide level 5 this week I would expect a decision will be made on going ahead or not with the championships this winter.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on October 05, 2020, 11:22:13 AM
Are the rumours true that gaa will be halted today after a meeting in the afternoon? Did anyone hear this?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on October 05, 2020, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 05, 2020, 11:22:13 AM
Are the rumours true that gaa will be halted today after a meeting in the afternoon? Did anyone hear this?

There is a meeting in Stormont this afternoon with a press release after it.

Looking like a circuit break of maybe two to three weeks including schools having "extended" mid term breaks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 05, 2020, 11:27:46 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 05, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

The GAA aren't exactly helping themselves as pointed out by previous posters. John Horan was quick to call out NPHET when they introduced limitiations but the silence from Croke Park has been deafening the last few weeks as you see all the videos/tv pictures of clubs and/or county boards ignoring social distancing rules
Main thing that isn't helping is the mixed messages and state of confusion.

GAA asked for clarity as to why the 200 ( number including players officials etc) at matches in ROI suddenly became zero. Only for weeks later with a higher covid case loads 200 supporters was allowed to attend.

This is giving people a cop out that they don't deserve, at no stage has anyone in authority said that social distancing has been done away with. The lack of personal responsibility from GAA supporters is indefensible and will certainly be a contributing factor to costing us the inter county season as now looks likely.

Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.
There isn't much point blaming an invisible virus which has no consciousness

The virus can only be managed by people acting responsibly

People getting angry because other people are getting angry at their irresponsible behaviour is a parable for our times, false victimhood has become the default reaction of those who behave badly, sadly we have become Thatcher's anti-society of individuals

Blackrock have no excuse

The GAA is supposed to be about community and yet it has been demonstrated that there are plenty of people in the GAA who don't give a flying fig about community
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 05, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2020, 11:06:26 AM
Agreed Fhairce but why didn't the GAA lay down the law to spectators from the start?.
200 people on 5,000 seat stands all let huddle together.
Not a lot they could do about supporters gathering afterwards but couldn't all Championship winning clubs be told in advance not to hold any mass celebrations?
No matter what levels we go to in the 26 or what "circuit breakers" in the 6 it's time the GAA abandoned inter County for 2020 and leave it at that.
GAA absolutely at fault as well, should have mandated no sitting together in the stands regardless if you came from the same household.
Yeah I think you are correct to say that the IC championship should just be called off at this stage as sad as that is to say.

Quote from: Cunny Funt
Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.
Disagree entirely, we have to live with this virus for the foreseeable now, that means people have to do things correctly to minimise the damage, people are acting selfishly and shouldn't be pointing to other failures as an excuse for their own unacceptable behaviour. Blaming the virus is of no practical value at all, the substandard Government response is an entirely other valid criticism to make alright but there's no merit in people using golfgate as an excuse to do whatever they feel like either.
I think I'm just bemused at how blasé people are about it themselves during and after the matches, it's as if they think that because they are outside there's some automatic immunity conferred.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.

Yes, but people need to stop doing what they were doing, be they factories or sport bodies. Those factories do not purport to be community organisations, they are there to make money, but the GAA should have a higher ambition.

The people did before and we got down to 69 weekly cases at one time but this virus is always looking for somewhere new to seed and once we get troublesome clusters it proves very difficult and many weeks to bring the numbers back down hence the requirement for some restrictions.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 11:45:49 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on October 05, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 05, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
GAA needs to call a halt to the season. They made the right call at the beginning of this pandemic and they need to do the same again, I know in the north here there is a section of people that are just waiting to lay the blame at the GAA if this gets any worse.

The GAA aren't exactly helping themselves as pointed out by previous posters. John Horan was quick to call out NPHET when they introduced limitiations but the silence from Croke Park has been deafening the last few weeks as you see all the videos/tv pictures of clubs and/or county boards ignoring social distancing rules
Main thing that isn't helping is the mixed messages and state of confusion.

GAA asked for clarity as to why the 200 ( number including players officials etc) at matches in ROI suddenly became zero. Only for weeks later with a higher covid case loads 200 supporters was allowed to attend.

This is giving people a cop out that they don't deserve, at no stage has anyone in authority said that social distancing has been done away with. The lack of personal responsibility from GAA supporters is indefensible and will certainly be a contributing factor to costing us the inter county season as now looks likely.

Yes, totally agree.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.

Yes, but people need to stop doing what they were doing, be they factories or sport bodies. Those factories do not purport to be community organisations, they are there to make money, but the GAA should have a higher ambition.

The people did before and we got down to 69 weekly cases at one time but this virus is always looking for somewhere new to seed and once we get troublesome clusters it proves very difficult and many weeks to bring the numbers back down hence the requirement for some restrictions.

Having got it down we were too blasé about keeping it low. Everyone said, there are few cases, no deaths, no problem. And the cases weren't a problem but the week in week out growth in numbers was always eventually going to become a problem. but people continued acting the maggot.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 05, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Absolutely woeful from gaa and county boards since games resumed. Deserve to be shut down. Crowding, hugging, over attendances, opening gates . No efforts to curtail it. How hard is it to spray down a few marks?!. Every dog on the street knows that partying after games and for days is the biggest threat but not a word about it from clubs or boards. Teams heading to the capitals from binges days after finals and then coming back to their communities .

Fair enough, but there is a level of personal responsibility here.  People are being willfully irresponsible and the fact that an awful lot of people are now extremely cynical about Covid precautions is not something the GAA can do much about. This is particularly the case at club level, where you are not only asking a chairman to set down rules in regard to championship celebrations, but then to enforce them.   That might mean rebuking players, club mates and neighbours about social distancing.  But what then about private house parties etc?  What can they do about that?

The bottom line is that there is now a large proportion of the country that doesn't want to be told to wear a mask or social distance as they think it is all a load of shit.  They may have done everything right before, but following endless mixed messages and inconsistency, they have now had enough and there is no telling people - no matter how selfish it might seem.

We had almost 1,000 cases in one day last Friday in the north. I would expect that to be significantly exceeded early this week and continue to grow exponentially unless there is another lockdown of sorts.  If the disease is as dangerous as it was in the spring, sooner or later that will translate into significant increases in hospital admissions and that's where this becomes a major problem. 

Getting back to the GAA's responsibility, the only way is probably to shut it down, then the clubs will not be put in such an invidious position. The leadership is required at the top, not at the bottom.

Hogwash. If a club chairman can't implement a policy he shouldn't be in the job. Chairmen in other sports have no such problems.

You tell your players to not return to the club for 2 weeks if they break lockdown.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 05, 2020, 01:14:48 PM
All club games suspended across the island with immediate effect, but training can continue.

"The GAA's Management Committee has today endorsed a decision to suspend all GAA Club games ​at all levels with immediate effect ​and until further notice. 

The decision has been taken in the interest of public safety following a number of incidents that have been brought to our attention in recent days. ​In particular, post-match celebrations and a lack of social distancing at certain events have proved disappointing and problematic.

This directive applies to all ages and all grades across the island. 

Club Social Centres / bars are also to close.

​Training will continue to be permitted as per the guidelines outlined for the relevant levels in the Government's National Framework for Living with Covid 19 and relevant guidelines in the Six Counties.

The GAA will continue to monitor the situation in the ​coming days and weeks, regarding changes in government guidelines, before liaising with our units accordingly. 

The Association would also like to acknowledge all of those units who have worked diligently in complying with the public health advice around the staging of our games and training sessions since activity resumed. 

More than ever, we ask that you continue with this approach where training sessions for your players is continuing."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.

Yes, but people need to stop doing what they were doing, be they factories or sport bodies. Those factories do not purport to be community organisations, they are there to make money, but the GAA should have a higher ambition.

The people did before and we got down to 69 weekly cases at one time but this virus is always looking for somewhere new to seed and once we get troublesome clusters it proves very difficult and many weeks to bring the numbers back down hence the requirement for some restrictions.

Having got it down we were too blasé about keeping it low. Everyone said, there are few cases, no deaths, no problem. And the cases weren't a problem but the week in week out growth in numbers was always eventually going to become a problem. but people continued acting the maggot.

Don't disagree there but the blame game list is endless. Just a few off the top of my head.

- Too close to England who have a foolish leader
- North and south in this island with different set of rules and
  one looking to the guidance from Boris
- young people having house parties
- birthdays, communions gatherings in households
- ROI changing the government during the virus
- golfgate
- not closing the Airports
- GAA community having no cop on
- the many non mask wearing loons having protests
- BLM protests
- reopening schools
- reopening pubs
- reopening restaurants
- indoor factories
- the traveling and gypsy community
- foreign prostitutes
-  October and still a poor track and trace system
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 05, 2020, 01:43:07 PM
Foreign prostitutes  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on October 05, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 05, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Absolutely woeful from gaa and county boards since games resumed. Deserve to be shut down. Crowding, hugging, over attendances, opening gates . No efforts to curtail it. How hard is it to spray down a few marks?!. Every dog on the street knows that partying after games and for days is the biggest threat but not a word about it from clubs or boards. Teams heading to the capitals from binges days after finals and then coming back to their communities .

Fair enough, but there is a level of personal responsibility here.  People are being willfully irresponsible and the fact that an awful lot of people are now extremely cynical about Covid precautions is not something the GAA can do much about. This is particularly the case at club level, where you are not only asking a chairman to set down rules in regard to championship celebrations, but then to enforce them.   That might mean rebuking players, club mates and neighbours about social distancing.  But what then about private house parties etc?  What can they do about that?

The bottom line is that there is now a large proportion of the country that doesn't want to be told to wear a mask or social distance as they think it is all a load of shit.  They may have done everything right before, but following endless mixed messages and inconsistency, they have now had enough and there is no telling people - no matter how selfish it might seem.

We had almost 1,000 cases in one day last Friday in the north. I would expect that to be significantly exceeded early this week and continue to grow exponentially unless there is another lockdown of sorts.  If the disease is as dangerous as it was in the spring, sooner or later that will translate into significant increases in hospital admissions and that's where this becomes a major problem. 

Getting back to the GAA's responsibility, the only way is probably to shut it down, then the clubs will not be put in such an invidious position. The leadership is required at the top, not at the bottom.

Hogwash. If a club chairman can't implement a policy he shouldn't be in the job. Chairmen in other sports have no such problems.

You tell your players to not return to the club for 2 weeks if they break lockdown.

I watched that celebration in Cork (Glanmire or Blackrock, dunno which) and I agree that the club bears a lot of responsibility for those scenes - should be marshalling etc.  But take a team in Division 4 celebrating a junior championship in pubs and in house parties.  What can the club committee possibly do about that, assuming they want to take a responsible approach?  They have won the championship, the season is over, the parties aren't on club premises, there is no sanction possible.  What can they do but provide a good example.  The real leadership needs to come from Croke Park and the problem all along since the end of lockdown has been that Croke Park has left it up to the counties and the clubs to decide for themselves how to deal with this and decisions need to be taken out of club's hands.     
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 05, 2020, 02:06:02 PM
It's a shame that a lot of the good the GAA did by way of community work by clubs and the professional way returning to play was handled has been undermined by scenes at and outside grounds in the last few weeks. GAA should have handled it better but overall society has got way too complacent. Wouldn't have liked to be a GAA steward 3/4 weeks ago telling people to sit/stand apart.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 05, 2020, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 05, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Blame game towards people is a waste of time, I could go on in detail about how the poorly controlled indoor factories played a big part in the spike in our covid cases in late July early August but I won't. This bloody annoying virus is the main thing to blame.

Yes, but people need to stop doing what they were doing, be they factories or sport bodies. Those factories do not purport to be community organisations, they are there to make money, but the GAA should have a higher ambition.

The people did before and we got down to 69 weekly cases at one time but this virus is always looking for somewhere new to seed and once we get troublesome clusters it proves very difficult and many weeks to bring the numbers back down hence the requirement for some restrictions.

Having got it down we were too blasé about keeping it low. Everyone said, there are few cases, no deaths, no problem. And the cases weren't a problem but the week in week out growth in numbers was always eventually going to become a problem. but people continued acting the maggot.

Don't disagree there but the blame game list is endless. Just a few off the top of my head.

- Too close to England who have a foolish leader
- North and south in this island with different set of rules and
  one looking to the guidance from Boris
- young people having house parties
- birthdays, communions gatherings in households
- ROI changing the government during the virus
- golfgate
- not closing the Airports
- GAA community having no cop on
- the many non mask wearing loons having protests
- BLM protests
- reopening schools
- reopening pubs
- reopening restaurants
- indoor factories
- the traveling and gypsy community
- foreign prostitutes
-  October and still a poor track and trace system

THE BOBBY STOREY FUNERAL. How did you forget that and how bad does that look now. Not even a sniff of a resignation
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 05, 2020, 02:10:18 PM
Feel sorry for clubs at senior / youth level with something on the line to play for, it looks like they might not get resolved for the foreseeable with the news today.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 05, 2020, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 05, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Absolutely woeful from gaa and county boards since games resumed. Deserve to be shut down. Crowding, hugging, over attendances, opening gates . No efforts to curtail it. How hard is it to spray down a few marks?!. Every dog on the street knows that partying after games and for days is the biggest threat but not a word about it from clubs or boards. Teams heading to the capitals from binges days after finals and then coming back to their communities .

Fair enough, but there is a level of personal responsibility here.  People are being willfully irresponsible and the fact that an awful lot of people are now extremely cynical about Covid precautions is not something the GAA can do much about. This is particularly the case at club level, where you are not only asking a chairman to set down rules in regard to championship celebrations, but then to enforce them.   That might mean rebuking players, club mates and neighbours about social distancing.  But what then about private house parties etc?  What can they do about that?

The bottom line is that there is now a large proportion of the country that doesn't want to be told to wear a mask or social distance as they think it is all a load of shit.  They may have done everything right before, but following endless mixed messages and inconsistency, they have now had enough and there is no telling people - no matter how selfish it might seem.

We had almost 1,000 cases in one day last Friday in the north. I would expect that to be significantly exceeded early this week and continue to grow exponentially unless there is another lockdown of sorts.  If the disease is as dangerous as it was in the spring, sooner or later that will translate into significant increases in hospital admissions and that's where this becomes a major problem. 

Getting back to the GAA's responsibility, the only way is probably to shut it down, then the clubs will not be put in such an invidious position. The leadership is required at the top, not at the bottom.

Hogwash. If a club chairman can't implement a policy he shouldn't be in the job. Chairmen in other sports have no such problems.

You tell your players to not return to the club for 2 weeks if they break lockdown.

I watched that celebration in Cork (Glanmire or Blackrock, dunno which) and I agree that the club bears a lot of responsibility for those scenes - should be marshalling etc.  But take a team in Division 4 celebrating a junior championship in pubs and in house parties.  What can the club committee possibly do about that, assuming they want to take a responsible approach?  They have won the championship, the season is over, the parties aren't on club premises, there is no sanction possible.  What can they do but provide a good example.  The real leadership needs to come from Croke Park and the problem all along since the end of lockdown has been that Croke Park has left it up to the counties and the clubs to decide for themselves how to deal with this and decisions need to be taken out of club's hands.   

It really isn't that difficult to segregate in the stands in most grounds. A few stewards and tape to stop rows from being used is one simple measure. There was only supposed to be a max of 200 in the grounds so its not like there should have been loads of supporters at the games making social distancing difficult.

If players want to go out on the piss then yes there is nothing the club can do about it. Blackrock officials however organised the parade after the game for the team and supporters and advertised it on the club's twitter account encouraging people to take part. That's indefensible
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 05, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Absolutely woeful from gaa and county boards since games resumed. Deserve to be shut down. Crowding, hugging, over attendances, opening gates . No efforts to curtail it. How hard is it to spray down a few marks?!. Every dog on the street knows that partying after games and for days is the biggest threat but not a word about it from clubs or boards. Teams heading to the capitals from binges days after finals and then coming back to their communities .

Fair enough, but there is a level of personal responsibility here.  People are being willfully irresponsible and the fact that an awful lot of people are now extremely cynical about Covid precautions is not something the GAA can do much about. This is particularly the case at club level, where you are not only asking a chairman to set down rules in regard to championship celebrations, but then to enforce them.   That might mean rebuking players, club mates and neighbours about social distancing.  But what then about private house parties etc?  What can they do about that?

The bottom line is that there is now a large proportion of the country that doesn't want to be told to wear a mask or social distance as they think it is all a load of shit.  They may have done everything right before, but following endless mixed messages and inconsistency, they have now had enough and there is no telling people - no matter how selfish it might seem.

We had almost 1,000 cases in one day last Friday in the north. I would expect that to be significantly exceeded early this week and continue to grow exponentially unless there is another lockdown of sorts.  If the disease is as dangerous as it was in the spring, sooner or later that will translate into significant increases in hospital admissions and that's where this becomes a major problem. 

Getting back to the GAA's responsibility, the only way is probably to shut it down, then the clubs will not be put in such an invidious position. The leadership is required at the top, not at the bottom.

Hogwash. If a club chairman can't implement a policy he shouldn't be in the job. Chairmen in other sports have no such problems.

You tell your players to not return to the club for 2 weeks if they break lockdown.

I watched that celebration in Cork (Glanmire or Blackrock, dunno which) and I agree that the club bears a lot of responsibility for those scenes - should be marshalling etc.  But take a team in Division 4 celebrating a junior championship in pubs and in house parties.  What can the club committee possibly do about that, assuming they want to take a responsible approach?  They have won the championship, the season is over, the parties aren't on club premises, there is no sanction possible.  What can they do but provide a good example.  The real leadership needs to come from Croke Park and the problem all along since the end of lockdown has been that Croke Park has left it up to the counties and the clubs to decide for themselves how to deal with this and decisions need to be taken out of club's hands.   

How do clubs handle players drinking in general? Nothing they can do to stop it but if players are acting the maghot they get dropped. Why not the same here? A strict instruction and a clear warning as to what happens if they get rumbled

But you are right, its about leadership and Croker have stepped in with the big stick.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 05, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
Stewards would have been able to sort out the Johnny Thickasses if there were clear instructions given to Co Boards, Clubs etc with the game geting called off if distancing wasn't observed.
Basic things like taping off rows etc wouldnt have been too difficult.
We now have the nuclear option if all out.
They may as well cancel the County games too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on October 05, 2020, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
Stewards would have been able to sort out the Johnny Thickasses if there were clear instructions given to Co Boards, Clubs etc with the game geting called off if distancing wasn't observed.
Basic things like taping off rows etc wouldnt have been too difficult.
We now have the nuclear option if all out.
They may as well cancel the County games too.

But what if the Jonny thickasses are the stewards?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
I've seen people sat at matches from three or four different households, and I've seen cars heading to matches with people from various houses.

That's the problem. Not the GAA, county boards or stewards.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on October 05, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 05, 2020, 01:14:48 PM
All club games suspended across the island with immediate effect, but training can continue.

"The GAA's Management Committee has today endorsed a decision to suspend all GAA Club games ​at all levels with immediate effect ​and until further notice. 

The decision has been taken in the interest of public safety following a number of incidents that have been brought to our attention in recent days. ​In particular, post-match celebrations and a lack of social distancing at certain events have proved disappointing and problematic.

This directive applies to all ages and all grades across the island. 

Club Social Centres / bars are also to close.

​Training will continue to be permitted as per the guidelines outlined for the relevant levels in the Government's National Framework for Living with Covid 19 and relevant guidelines in the Six Counties.

The GAA will continue to monitor the situation in the ​coming days and weeks, regarding changes in government guidelines, before liaising with our units accordingly. 

The Association would also like to acknowledge all of those units who have worked diligently in complying with the public health advice around the staging of our games and training sessions since activity resumed. 

More than ever, we ask that you continue with this approach where training sessions for your players is continuing."

Donegal county board have told clubs to cease training.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Sportacus on October 05, 2020, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 05, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 05, 2020, 01:14:48 PM
All club games suspended across the island with immediate effect, but training can continue.

"The GAA's Management Committee has today endorsed a decision to suspend all GAA Club games ​at all levels with immediate effect ​and until further notice. 

The decision has been taken in the interest of public safety following a number of incidents that have been brought to our attention in recent days. ​In particular, post-match celebrations and a lack of social distancing at certain events have proved disappointing and problematic.

This directive applies to all ages and all grades across the island. 

Club Social Centres / bars are also to close.

​Training will continue to be permitted as per the guidelines outlined for the relevant levels in the Government's National Framework for Living with Covid 19 and relevant guidelines in the Six Counties.

The GAA will continue to monitor the situation in the ​coming days and weeks, regarding changes in government guidelines, before liaising with our units accordingly. 

The Association would also like to acknowledge all of those units who have worked diligently in complying with the public health advice around the staging of our games and training sessions since activity resumed. 

More than ever, we ask that you continue with this approach where training sessions for your players is continuing."

Donegal county board have told clubs to cease training.
That's helpful, save Committees wondering about it. Confusing now for other sports like soccer.  Kids don't know whether they are coming or going.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on October 05, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
I've seen people sat at matches from three or four different households, and I've seen cars heading to matches with people from various houses.

That's the problem. Not the GAA, county boards or stewards.

The steward's have a duty to do something, that's why they are there. They didn't to much at the game in Meath yesterday, fans all huddled together.

The supporters should be responsible too, but probaly be all in excitement attending a final..
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 05, 2020, 03:02:29 PM
Have the GAA basically given up and accepted the units will not play ball and waited till the PR became unacceptable? Or do they know something we don't?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2020, 03:11:11 PM
I was lucky enough to get a ticket to the Mayo final this year. All the fans were across from the stand. Not all were social distancing, I think I was 2 metres away from the nearest person at the game.

I'll put my hand up and admit to being on the pitch afterwards too and I understand how angry you all may be at my actions when celebrating the win.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on October 05, 2020, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 05, 2020, 02:06:02 PM
It's a shame that a lot of the good the GAA did by way of community work by clubs and the professional way returning to play was handled has been undermined by scenes at and outside grounds in the last few weeks. GAA should have handled it better but overall society has got way too complacent. Wouldn't have liked to be a GAA steward 3/4 weeks ago telling people to sit/stand apart.

Nail on the head!!

Stewarding today would be plain sailing compared to 3 weeks back when there was more complacency.  Mind you, I can think of plenty of individuals who I wouldn't like to steward or encourage to wear a mask.   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 05, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
I've seen people sat at matches from three or four different households, and I've seen cars heading to matches with people from various houses.

That's the problem. Not the GAA, county boards or stewards.

The steward's have a duty to do something, that's why they are there. They didn't to much at the game in Meath yesterday, fans all huddled together.

The supporters should be responsible too, but probaly be all in excitement attending a final..

The organisers are responsible, print the seat numbers on the tickets and record who is supposed to be in each seat. Then you can control the seating and have a contact tracing database as well. Allow two adults and two children buy tickets together. You need a good plan, and then the stewards can implement that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Individual and management accountability sorely lacking across the entire landscape. Dungarvan taking a bit of a hammering and rightly so. Intermediate county final yesterday. Goalkeeper was awaiting the results of a test and played, having been encouraged to do so by management. They won, everyone on the piss, his result came back positive.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on October 05, 2020, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 05, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
I've seen people sat at matches from three or four different households, and I've seen cars heading to matches with people from various houses.

That's the problem. Not the GAA, county boards or stewards.

The steward's have a duty to do something, that's why they are there. They didn't to much at the game in Meath yesterday, fans all huddled together.

The supporters should be responsible too, but probaly be all in excitement attending a final..
The stewards don't give a hoot they are more interested in watching the game than anything else.

Have these tickets been allocated to the thickest people in society and i'm not having a go at Meath either its going on all over the country.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on October 05, 2020, 03:41:43 PM
I'm actually surprised that there is not more people coming on here and defending the breaches of social distancing.  Because at community level in the North there is still serious complacency and worse, cynicism about the guidelines, despite the large numbers of cases being report. 

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on October 05, 2020, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Individual and management accountability sorely lacking across the entire landscape. Dungarvan taking a bit of a hammering and rightly so. Intermediate county final yesterday. Goalkeeper was awaiting the results of a test and played, having been encouraged to do so by management. They won, everyone on the piss, his result came back positive.

Seriously??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Have the GAA jumped the gun on this one now the government are only introducing level 3??
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on October 05, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
im hearing national level 3 no level 5
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Have the GAA jumped the gun on this one now the government are only introducing level 3??

No, they have had appalling publicity and need to act. Let's see what penalty there will be for these clubs that organised parades and played players that should have be isolating.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 05, 2020, 04:00:35 PM
Yeah they've done absolutely the right thing. If people are playing waiting on test results etc then the whole thing is couped. Needs to be stopped.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Individual and management accountability sorely lacking across the entire landscape. Dungarvan taking a bit of a hammering and rightly so. Intermediate county final yesterday. Goalkeeper was awaiting the results of a test and played, having been encouraged to do so by management. They won, everyone on the piss, his result came back positive.

That is unbelievable.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 05, 2020, 04:35:34 PM
That manager should never be allowed to manage again/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 05, 2020, 04:40:55 PM
I posted this last night:

QuoteI think what has happened in Armagh has shown how difficult it is going to be run a competitive inter county season.

During the summer as soon as there was a positive case, the club "shut down" and all the squad members were sent off to test. The Armagh County Board facilitated the postponement of all of these games; which is probably the correct thing to do given the circumstances.
But as it's getting down to the sharp end of the season and time is running out there has been real friction between trying to "force" teams to play the game when they have players being tested or self isolating and calling the games off.

Are the GAA really clear in their own mind what will happen if a team has a positive case in the run up to the game?  Will they force a team to play, regardless?

If they do, this has a number of dangers; one of which is that there may be other team members asymptomatic and so will the opposition be happy to play them.
Or the possibility, which is way more serious is that a positive player may not tell the management he is postive as he doesn't want to miss out. Or is there the potential for the management to keep quiet that a really key player is positive?

If games are going to be forced to be played, the above is a possibility, and if they can be postponed then there is a strong possibility the thing will never get finished; as appears to be the case in Armagh at the minute.

If players go as far as throwing GPS trackers to try do divert the flight of the ball, do we really think that every team will do the right thing when it comes to potentially important players sitting out?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 05, 2020, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Have the GAA jumped the gun on this one now the government are only introducing level 3??
Clearly but at least they got the statement out there on some not sticking to the social distancing guidelines.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 04:43:03 PM
If the All Ireland goes ahead, with fans or not, we all better pray there are no shock results. Imagine the case where Fermanagh won Ulster, Wexford Leinster, or Mayo won Sam. Better if the status quo was maintained and any sort of celebrations very low key.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 05, 2020, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Have the GAA jumped the gun on this one now the government are only introducing level 3??

Yes they have. A completely stupid reckless act.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 05, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Individual and management accountability sorely lacking across the entire landscape. Dungarvan taking a bit of a hammering and rightly so. Intermediate county final yesterday. Goalkeeper was awaiting the results of a test and played, having been encouraged to do so by management. They won, everyone on the piss, his result came back positive.

That is unbelievable.

Then fine the f**king club, give the manager and player a 6 month ban. Don't punish the kids of the whole country for f**k sake.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 05, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Individual and management accountability sorely lacking across the entire landscape. Dungarvan taking a bit of a hammering and rightly so. Intermediate county final yesterday. Goalkeeper was awaiting the results of a test and played, having been encouraged to do so by management. They won, everyone on the piss, his result came back positive.

That is unbelievable.

Then fine the f**king club, give the manager and player a 6 month ban. Don't punish the kids of the whole country for f**k sake.

Feck 6 months. I'd ban manager and player for 5 years.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Nanderson on October 05, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 05, 2020, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Have the GAA jumped the gun on this one now the government are only introducing level 3??

Yes they have. A completely stupid reckless act.
Under level 3 lockdown guidelines, it states that there will be no sporting matches or events (except at elite level) which should probably still include intercounty championship but tbh we have no need for club football atm
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 05, 2020, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 05, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 05, 2020, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Have the GAA jumped the gun on this one now the government are only introducing level 3??

Yes they have. A completely stupid reckless act.
Under level 3 lockdown guidelines, it states that there will be no sporting matches or events (except at elite level) which should probably still include intercounty championship but tbh we have no need for club football atm

It was stated that club championship football was classified as "elite". This is why the Dublin championship continued even though it was in Level 3.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Nanderson on October 05, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 05, 2020, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 05, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 05, 2020, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 05, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Have the GAA jumped the gun on this one now the government are only introducing level 3??

Yes they have. A completely stupid reckless act.
Under level 3 lockdown guidelines, it states that there will be no sporting matches or events (except at elite level) which should probably still include intercounty championship but tbh we have no need for club football atm

It was stated that club championship football was classified as "elite". This is why the Dublin championship continued even though it was in Level 3.
Ah right. Didn't think it included club. My mistake
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on October 05, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Individual and management accountability sorely lacking across the entire landscape. Dungarvan taking a bit of a hammering and rightly so. Intermediate county final yesterday. Goalkeeper was awaiting the results of a test and played, having been encouraged to do so by management. They won, everyone on the piss, his result came back positive.

That is unbelievable.

No excuse for it, but completely inevitable that it would happen when they started up again.  Other things that were inevitable:

Clubs were always going to be the toughest to manage. I still see some hope to play out the end of the National League behind closed doors.  Should be easier to implement controls at county level.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Godsown on October 05, 2020, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Individual and management accountability sorely lacking across the entire landscape. Dungarvan taking a bit of a hammering and rightly so. Intermediate county final yesterday. Goalkeeper was awaiting the results of a test and played, having been encouraged to do so by management. They won, everyone on the piss, his result came back positive.

That is unbelievable.

Surely the sanction here is beyond anything from the GAA. Reprehensible behaviour
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dec on October 05, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
No excuse for it, but completely inevitable that it would happen when they started up again.  Other things that were inevitable:

  • Crowds mingling
  • Supporters running onto the pitch to celebrate
  • Players and supporters celebrating wins in pubs and house-parties
  • All of the associated bad publicity
  • Spread of infection

Lots of people, indoors, for a long time. The riskiest behavior.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 06:07:12 PM
Confirmation of the Dungarvan story here:

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/10/05/concerns-over-dungarvan-gaa-club-covid-case/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 06:11:26 PM
Oh, and supposedly one of the selectors for Dungarvan is the FG mayor of Waterford...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 05, 2020, 06:22:35 PM
Brolly on radio earlier saying County can go ahead because people don't really care about it and you won't see much exuberance when a County wins a Championship.
He's from Derry alright!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 05, 2020, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: APM on October 05, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
No excuse for it, but completely inevitable that it would happen when they started up again.  Other things that were inevitable:

  • Crowds mingling
  • Supporters running onto the pitch to celebrate
  • Players and supporters celebrating wins in pubs and house-parties
  • All of the associated bad publicity
  • Spread of infection

Lots of people, indoors, for a long time. The riskiest behavior.

Well we will have to give the GAA powers of special branch if they are to go into peoples houses and separate them. Meanwhile gardai look the other way all around the country and no more so than in grafton Street at the weekend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 05, 2020, 06:26:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2020, 06:22:35 PM
Brolly on radio earlier saying County can go ahead because people don't really care about it and you won't see much exuberance when a County wins a Championship.
He's from Derry alright!
Funnily enough Joe's Twitter handle appends 1993 to his name - not 1997, when Dungiven won the Ulster club

I wonder why that is

I was at the 1993 All-Ireland final and I don't recall the aftermath, or indeed during the match, being in any way restrained
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 05, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2020, 06:22:35 PM
Brolly on radio earlier saying County can go ahead because people don't really care about it and you won't see much exuberance when a County wins a Championship.
He's from Derry alright!

Well he is right in one respect, Dublin will win the All Ireland and there won't be much exuberance about that, Kerry will win Munster and that's nothing new. Ulster and Connacht will go to a county that won recently too, I imagine, and things will not be wild. If Dublin gets thrown out of the AI because of a lockdown and someone beats Kerry there might be a pulse of excitement, but that is improbable.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 05, 2020, 06:43:44 PM
Joe obviously doesn't venture into the Clonliffe House beer garden or any of the other pubs down around Ballybough, Summerhill, Fairview or Marino after a Dublin All-Ireland win

His favourite haunting ground Mulligan's is a bit genteel



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 06:50:44 PM
Joe is more of a Meagher's man tbh.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on October 05, 2020, 07:24:16 PM
Does anyone really care about clubs except for hardcore  gaa people county is where you get all the bandwagoners who never watch gaa jumping on the wagon if there team get to semi final or final especially in Tyrone.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 05, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
Senior club championships yet to be completed

Longford SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SHC (final)
Carlow SFC (at semi-final stage)
Cork SFC (final)
Donegal SFC (final)
Offaly SHC (final)
Kildare SHC (final)
Waterford SFC (final)
Meath SHC (final)

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on October 05, 2020, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 05, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
Senior club championships yet to be completed

Longford SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SHC (final)
Carlow SFC (at semi-final stage)
Cork SFC (final)
Donegal SFC (final)
Offaly SHC (final)
Kildare SHC (final)
Waterford SFC (final)
Meath SHC (final)

What the F*** were these county boards at? I know in some cases there were Covid outbreaks, but otherwise what are the excuses? Did they not think that the window might be closing coming into the autumn for playing these games.  Did they play round-robin or group stages rather than straight knockout?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: burdizzo on October 05, 2020, 08:02:29 PM
Laois never altered their schedule despite losing three weekends to the additional 'lock-down'. Both Offaly and Kildare altered theirs, as far as I know. Certainly, Offaly did.
Funny that the Dublin championship carried on, even when they had their extra lock-down?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1313054321269972993?s=09
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1313054321269972993?s=09

If you dare say that up here you are immediately classed as a unionist loving, west Brit, anti shinner Nolan fan
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 06, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 05, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
Senior club championships yet to be completed

Longford SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SHC (final)
Carlow SFC (at semi-final stage)
Cork SFC (final)
Donegal SFC (final)
Offaly SHC (final)
Kildare SHC (final)
Waterford SFC (final)
Meath SHC (final)
Longford Semis were to be tonight.
They were postponed a few weeks back due to Covid test results.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 06, 2020, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 05, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
Senior club championships yet to be completed

Longford SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SFC (at semi-final stage)
Laois SHC (final)
Carlow SFC (at semi-final stage)
Cork SFC (final)
Donegal SFC (final)
Offaly SHC (final)
Kildare SHC (final)
Waterford SFC (final)
Meath SHC (final)

Normally Galway SHC (final) would be played in (late)  November.  Covid is the reason it isn't on that list.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 12:15:15 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1313054321269972993?s=09

If you dare say that up here you are immediately classed as a unionist loving, west Brit, anti shinner Nolan fan

His Twitter is full of that sort of thing. This is a guy who played for Meath and coached 3 county sides. He is not an outsider.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

Nobody is saying that.

What is being said is within sport the GAA clearly didn't take this seriously and it has had repercussions for sports who put the time, effort and money into taking it seriously and that is particularly difficult to reconcile with the GAA's community ethos.

We are now facing the reality that the GAA has had to pull all games as it cannot trust its county boards to follow the law in order to protect its community. Thats ominious.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on October 06, 2020, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong


Rod was referring to the negative perceptions about crowd behaviour at GAA  events being the main cause why it went from 500 being allowed in  to zero for all sports.        He was not making it out as being the main cause of the recent spikes.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

Nobody is saying that.

What is being said is within sport the GAA clearly didn't take this seriously and it has had repercussions for sports who put the time, effort and money into taking it seriously and that is particularly difficult to reconcile with the GAA's community ethos.

We are now facing the reality that the GAA has had to pull all games as it cannot trust its county boards to follow the law in order to protect its community. Thats ominious.

It cant trust the numpties that go to the match, so ban the people attending and be done with that.. The Gaa can't stop people running on to a pitch, they can't stop numpties partying their win in the local pub, the county boards put faith in their clubs to ensure that the supporters were informed that coming on to the pitch was not allowed, a bit like plan b at Croke park. it happens and is wrong, but there are people (like you) falling over themselves to blame the GAA
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

Nobody is saying that.

What is being said is within sport the GAA clearly didn't take this seriously and it has had repercussions for sports who put the time, effort and money into taking it seriously and that is particularly difficult to reconcile with the GAA's community ethos.

We are now facing the reality that the GAA has had to pull all games as it cannot trust its county boards to follow the law in order to protect its community. Thats ominious.

It cant trust the numpties that go to the match, so ban the people attending and be done with that.. The Gaa can't stop people running on to a pitch, they can't stop numpties partying their win in the local pub, the county boards put faith in their clubs to ensure that the supporters were informed that coming on to the pitch was not allowed, a bit like plan b at Croke park. it happens and is wrong, but there are people (like you) falling over themselves to blame the GAA

I am blaming the GAA for not enforcing social distancing at games, allowing celebrations on association grounds and playing players with Covid while publically questioning NEPHAT.

Who else should I blame?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 01:25:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 12:15:15 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1313054321269972993?s=09

If you dare say that up here you are immediately classed as a unionist loving, west Brit, anti shinner Nolan fan

His Twitter is full of that sort of thing. This is a guy who played for Meath and coached 3 county sides. He is not an outsider.

Fair play to him
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

Nobody is saying that.

What is being said is within sport the GAA clearly didn't take this seriously and it has had repercussions for sports who put the time, effort and money into taking it seriously and that is particularly difficult to reconcile with the GAA's community ethos.

We are now facing the reality that the GAA has had to pull all games as it cannot trust its county boards to follow the law in order to protect its community. Thats ominious.

It cant trust the numpties that go to the match, so ban the people attending and be done with that.. The Gaa can't stop people running on to a pitch, they can't stop numpties partying their win in the local pub, the county boards put faith in their clubs to ensure that the supporters were informed that coming on to the pitch was not allowed, a bit like plan b at Croke park. it happens and is wrong, but there are people (like you) falling over themselves to blame the GAA

I am blaming the GAA for not enforcing social distancing at games, allowing celebrations on association grounds and playing players with Covid while publically questioning NEPHAT.

Who else should I blame?

Stewards were at the games to try and contain that, and any of the games i was at there was social distancing, so are you blaming all the GAA or just the ones you seen on tv?

Allowing celebrations on the the pitch?  was that the team just celebrating or was it the small amount of times it happened and was on tv? again in the finals that I was at this year, it didn't happen.

I seems to me that there was some infringements and some people lost the run of themselves but to just come out and have a dig at the GAA as a whole and not the individual games then you are no different to big Nolan.

You do have an agenda on this so I don't really take your posts on the GAA too seriously
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on October 06, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
well i said all county championships should be straight knockout anyway  group stages make it to much like a league the county championships should be the sudden death competition with no second chances.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 06, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

Nobody is saying that.

What is being said is within sport the GAA clearly didn't take this seriously and it has had repercussions for sports who put the time, effort and money into taking it seriously and that is particularly difficult to reconcile with the GAA's community ethos.

We are now facing the reality that the GAA has had to pull all games as it cannot trust its county boards to follow the law in order to protect its community. Thats ominious.

It cant trust the numpties that go to the match, so ban the people attending and be done with that.. The Gaa can't stop people running on to a pitch, they can't stop numpties partying their win in the local pub, the county boards put faith in their clubs to ensure that the supporters were informed that coming on to the pitch was not allowed, a bit like plan b at Croke park. it happens and is wrong, but there are people (like you) falling over themselves to blame the GAA

I am blaming the GAA for not enforcing social distancing at games, allowing celebrations on association grounds and playing players with Covid while publically questioning NEPHAT.

Who else should I blame?

Stewards were at the games to try and contain that, and any of the games i was at there was social distancing, so are you blaming all the GAA or just the ones you seen on tv?

Allowing celebrations on the the pitch?  was that the team just celebrating or was it the small amount of times it happened and was on tv? again in the finals that I was at this year, it didn't happen.

I seems to me that there was some infringements and some people lost the run of themselves but to just come out and have a dig at the GAA as a whole and not the individual games then you are no different to big Nolan.

You do have an agenda on this so I don't really take your posts on the GAA too seriously

Nolan? Thats the GAA equivalent of Godwin

So you agree there were 'infringements', agree they shouldn't have hsppened but discussion of them and what they caused is hunnery.

Try a lot harder.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on October 06, 2020, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 06, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
well i said all county championships should be straight knockout anyway  group stages make it to much like a league the county championships should be the sudden death competition with no second chances.

What if you've only four teams in your senior championship?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

I'm talking about a Sporting context. Obviously there is other areas. Northern Ireland is a basket case with the virus and high numbers against today. But in a Sports context, it could have been controlled better, having twice the Number into grounds compared to Republic was pointless.

Meeting up in pubs was another issue,. They either should have kept the pubs closed or the the individuals behave more responsible and select a limited format indoors for watching.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

I'm talking about a Sporting context. Obviously there is other areas. Northern Ireland is a basket case with the virus and high numbers against today. But in a Sports context, it could have been controlled better, having twice the Number into grounds compared to Republic was pointless.

Meeting up in pubs was another issue,. They either should have kept the pubs closed or the the individuals behave more responsible and select a limited format indoors for watching.

I'd have happily banned supporters full stop, thats the only thing the GAA could be faulted with.. but hey when you've soccer style glipes on here waiting at every opportunity to bash the GAA then you can't win.. Nothing would have worked
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on October 06, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

I'm talking about a Sporting context. Obviously there is other areas. Northern Ireland is a basket case with the virus and high numbers against today. But in a Sports context, it could have been controlled better, having twice the Number into grounds compared to Republic was pointless.

Meeting up in pubs was another issue,. They either should have kept the pubs closed or the the individuals behave more responsible and select a limited format indoors for watching.

I'd have happily banned supporters full stop, thats the only thing the GAA could be faulted with.. but hey when you've soccer style glipes on here waiting at every opportunity to bash the GAA then you can't win.. Nothing would have worked

You would do well to ignore him MR.
Same with another individual polluting threads.

Otherwise there can be nothing sensibly debated
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on October 06, 2020, 05:36:46 PM
it was tranquil after the Monaghan senior final, though  anything resembling suspense was absent as Scotstown strolled it. The 150 or so victorious Scotstown supporters ambled relaxedly across the pitch to loosly congregate  at the foot of the  Gerry Arthur stand where the presentation and speeches were made.

GAA stewarding was questionable in grounds  but it's of little value comparing the compliant attendance at a dull run of the mill senior league soccer game, where loud snores are audible, to an all out action packed, life or death GAA county final, going to the wire.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 06:54:50 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 06, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 06, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
He's right. The GAA were bullish about wanting to increase crowds to 500,now back to no grounds. Affecting other sports too as the problem was mainly coming from the GAA.

The North with 400 was ridiculous too. Then they were all on the field after the Tyrone final. Obviously emotions running highly after a long wait but wasn't a great look if trying to limit the chances of spreading

Do you honestly believe the main reason for the spikes would have been those games that were featured? This is when the media suck people in with headlines and then the dicks on the hill have some fuel to give off to the other side..

We have a rise in cases for a lot of reasons, supporters running on to a pitch is certainly one of them, celebrating in pubs afterwards is another..

House parties
Organised raves
Weddings
Funerals
Communion's
Wet pubs
People becoming complacent
Poor working facilities
Tourists
Opening schools and colleges

I'm sure there are others that have been left out, but to be allowed to believe that the GAA has been mainly the problem is wrong

I'm talking about a Sporting context. Obviously there is other areas. Northern Ireland is a basket case with the virus and high numbers against today. But in a Sports context, it could have been controlled better, having twice the Number into grounds compared to Republic was pointless.

Meeting up in pubs was another issue,. They either should have kept the pubs closed or the the individuals behave more responsible and select a limited format indoors for watching.

I'd have happily banned supporters full stop, thats the only thing the GAA could be faulted with.. but hey when you've soccer style glipes on here waiting at every opportunity to bash the GAA then you can't win.. Nothing would have worked

You would do well to ignore him MR.
Same with another individual polluting threads.

Otherwise there can be nothing sensibly debated

And what do you add again? You're from Tyrone no surprise. 90 % here are.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 08:51:47 PM
Comhairle Uladh have now come out and said that there are clear links between the finals and covid spread.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 08:51:47 PM
Comhairle Uladh have now come out and said that there are clear links between the finals and covid spread.

Of course there is,  and no one doubted that, there is also clear links to the spread based on house parties, weddings, Funerals, wet pubs, complacency and a host of other things.

What the Ulster council should have done at the first instance of breaking rules was stopped the support going to the games!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 06, 2020, 09:50:13 PM
They didn't say at the games though. I would say celebrations after the fact would be more of a cause than being outdoors at the games.

Any outbreaks I hear of , granted only three or four, were from bars after the games.

(Still distancing should have been managed way better mind you.)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 06, 2020, 09:50:13 PM
They didn't say at the games though. I would say celebrations after the fact would be more of a cause than being outdoors at the games.

Any outbreaks I hear of , granted only three or four, were from bars after the games.

(Still distancing should have been managed way better mind you.)

I still think a hardline at the first known breaking of social distancing would have sent a clear message, It wasn't and now we are dealing with the consequences. I still believe it's very much media driven and political, the GAA has fallen into that trap.

The main responsibilities were with the supporters who broke the rules that were laid out by the county boards.

As for the bars again that's down to the owner of the pub for allowing or not managing his pub, not the GAA fault, if it was on club premises then said clubs should be fined!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 06, 2020, 10:02:33 PM
Yeah Nolan seems to be on the attack for the Gaa. I think there are people behind that too. I would tend to click into east Belfast's twitter and the replies to comments on it and reading it, were you to believe it, you would nearly think the Gaa and the ira were one and the same. The sad thing is I think some of them genuinely believe it. It seems to have ramped up of late too.

Yeah the Gaa are far from faultless here but there must be a load of bars not adhering to anything too. That really should not be happening.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 06, 2020, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 06, 2020, 10:02:33 PM
Yeah Nolan seems to be on the attack for the Gaa. I think there are people behind that too. I would tend to click into east Belfast's twitter and the replies to comments on it and reading it, were you to believe it, you would nearly think the Gaa and the ira were one and the same. The sad thing is I think some of them genuinely believe it. It seems to have ramped up of late too.

Yeah the Gaa are far from faultless here but there must be a load of bars not adhering to anything too. That really should not be happening.

The bars acting the maggot rarely allow themselves to be broadcast on TV.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 06, 2020, 10:15:32 PM
Phones etc you'd have thought they'd have been caught out though.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 08:51:47 PM
Comhairle Uladh have now come out and said that there are clear links between the finals and covid spread.

Of course there is,  and no one doubted that, there is also clear links to the spread based on house parties, weddings, Funerals, wet pubs, complacency and a host of other things.

What the Ulster council should have done at the first instance of breaking rules was stopped the support going to the games!

Agreed
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 06, 2020, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 06, 2020, 09:50:13 PM
They didn't say at the games though. I would say celebrations after the fact would be more of a cause than being outdoors at the games.

Any outbreaks I hear of , granted only three or four, were from bars after the games.

(Still distancing should have been managed way better mind you.)

They actually did say at the games to be fair.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 07, 2020, 07:16:12 AM
Ah ok. Didn't realise that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 07, 2020, 07:49:09 AM
They said it was linked to teams in county finals and community celebrations. I'd say it was the indoor activities post games that caused the spread as opposed to outdoor celebrations. Either way the gaa had to do something as the finals were having a knock on effect due to the post game activities.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 07, 2020, 08:10:10 AM
They have done the right thing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 07, 2020, 08:53:13 AM
Are the minor intercounty championships off now too?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: burdizzo on October 07, 2020, 08:58:28 AM
Don't think so.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: skeog on October 07, 2020, 09:47:37 AM
They are off i dont think they come under elite players afaik.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 07, 2020, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2020, 09:47:37 AM
They are off i dont think they come under elite players afaik.

If underage LOI is it could be.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 07, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
"Fermanagh GAA have announced that all training and all games within the county have been suspended until further notice, at both club and county level, as a result of a spike in Covid-19 cases within the county. "

https://fermanagh.gaa.ie/statement-from-fermanagh-gaa-in-relation-to-covid-19/

Just the first.

I don't think we are going to have an intercounty championship this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on October 07, 2020, 12:58:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 07, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
"Fermanagh GAA have announced that all training and all games within the county have been suspended until further notice, at both club and county level, as a result of a spike in Covid-19 cases within the county. "

https://fermanagh.gaa.ie/statement-from-fermanagh-gaa-in-relation-to-covid-19/

Just the first.

I don't think we are going to have an intercounty championship this year.

At the moment, it makes sense to scrap the county championship.

Imagine if a big county like Tyrone (god forbid) won Sam. Imagine the numbers infected while clustered watching the match on tv, in pubs (if opened) and celebrating. It doesn't bear thinking about.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on October 07, 2020, 01:18:09 PM
might be a good idea to scrap it now i was looking forward to the novelty of an autumn/winter championship  they can then spend the next few months deciding what format the championship will be  it looks like super 8s are gone anyway hopefully.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2020, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 07, 2020, 01:18:09 PM
might be a good idea to scrap it now i was looking forward to the novelty of an autumn/winter championship  they can then spend the next few months deciding what format the championship will be  it looks like super 8s are gone anyway hopefully.

You should send Croke your ideas.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 07, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 07, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
"Fermanagh GAA have announced that all training and all games within the county have been suspended until further notice, at both club and county level, as a result of a spike in Covid-19 cases within the county. "

https://fermanagh.gaa.ie/statement-from-fermanagh-gaa-in-relation-to-covid-19/

Just the first.

I don't think we are going to have an intercounty championship this year.

They wont care about Fermanagh or the likes. It will take a big gun like Kerry or Dublin to get knocked out as a result of COVID.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 07, 2020, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 07, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 07, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
"Fermanagh GAA have announced that all training and all games within the county have been suspended until further notice, at both club and county level, as a result of a spike in Covid-19 cases within the county. "

https://fermanagh.gaa.ie/statement-from-fermanagh-gaa-in-relation-to-covid-19/

Just the first.

I don't think we are going to have an intercounty championship this year.

They wont care about Fermanagh or the likes. It will take a big gun like Kerry or Dublin to get knocked out as a result of COVID.
Tyrone would be another example.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on October 07, 2020, 03:31:51 PM
I see the CPA are looking for county finals to be allowed to be played i think that ship has sailed and they would be as well keep out of it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: greatpoint on October 07, 2020, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 07, 2020, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 07, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 07, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
"Fermanagh GAA have announced that all training and all games within the county have been suspended until further notice, at both club and county level, as a result of a spike in Covid-19 cases within the county. "

https://fermanagh.gaa.ie/statement-from-fermanagh-gaa-in-relation-to-covid-19/

Just the first.

I don't think we are going to have an intercounty championship this year.

They wont care about Fermanagh or the likes. It will take a big gun like Kerry or Dublin to get knocked out as a result of COVID.
Tyrone would be another example.

Come on now, no one thinks Tyrone are a big gun.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 07, 2020, 05:04:46 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 07, 2020, 03:31:51 PM
I see the CPA are looking for county finals to be allowed to be played i think that ship has sailed and they would be as well keep out of it.
They should just get Mattie McGrath in as president and be done with it

Gombeens
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 07, 2020, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on October 07, 2020, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 07, 2020, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 07, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 07, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
"Fermanagh GAA have announced that all training and all games within the county have been suspended until further notice, at both club and county level, as a result of a spike in Covid-19 cases within the county. "

https://fermanagh.gaa.ie/statement-from-fermanagh-gaa-in-relation-to-covid-19/

Just the first.

I don't think we are going to have an intercounty championship this year.

They wont care about Fermanagh or the likes. It will take a big gun like Kerry or Dublin to get knocked out as a result of COVID.
Tyrone would be another example.

Come on now, no one thinks Tyrone are a big gun.

They do make a lot of noise.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on October 07, 2020, 09:14:18 PM
cute move by ricey, extra week to prepare!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on October 08, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
A conundrum for me this week.

Like many others I was aghast at the club championship celebrations across Ireland - not the on-pitch ones, they're outdoors and relatively transient, but the pubs and clubs jammed full of young people drinking from cups, sharing mics, dancing, singing - basically the "what not do to" guide to Covid.

So I was in support of the GAA's "shut the lot down" announcement.

But looking at the news across the world since then. Scotland has some GAA. The north of England too. There's probably a club or two in Madrid and Paris, and maybe a league of some description in Germany. It's doubtful there's much GAA happens in Turkey or Poland. And oddly enough, apart from Scotland and England, the same "go to the indoor pub and get bladdered weekly" stereotype isn't prominent.

So I'm now around to thinking that it might be time to stop scapegoating GAA members, and especially the Association as an administrative body, and accept that if cases are rising across Europe, then what has happened in Ireland the past week isn't on the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 08, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
A conundrum for me this week.

Like many others I was aghast at the club championship celebrations across Ireland - not the on-pitch ones, they're outdoors and relatively transient, but the pubs and clubs jammed full of young people drinking from cups, sharing mics, dancing, singing - basically the "what not do to" guide to Covid.

So I was in support of the GAA's "shut the lot down" announcement.

But looking at the news across the world since then. Scotland has some GAA. The north of England too. There's probably a club or two in Madrid and Paris, and maybe a league of some description in Germany. It's doubtful there's much GAA happens in Turkey or Poland. And oddly enough, apart from Scotland and England, the same "go to the indoor pub and get bladdered weekly" stereotype isn't prominent.

So I'm now around to thinking that it might be time to stop scapegoating GAA members, and especially the Association as an administrative body, and accept that if cases are rising across Europe, then what has happened in Ireland the past week isn't on the GAA.

What is going to happen will happe!  Its madness stopping everything and communities are actually starting to turn on each other. Oh look at him not wearing a mask, oh look at them hugging after a match, oh look at him having a pint with his mates , Fecking grow up people,

Covid is here to stay, we cannot hide away, we need some sort of normality!

Stephen Nolan running around a forecourt last night, did you ever see the like of that in your life?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on October 08, 2020, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 08, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 08, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
A conundrum for me this week.

Like many others I was aghast at the club championship celebrations across Ireland - not the on-pitch ones, they're outdoors and relatively transient, but the pubs and clubs jammed full of young people drinking from cups, sharing mics, dancing, singing - basically the "what not do to" guide to Covid.

So I was in support of the GAA's "shut the lot down" announcement.

But looking at the news across the world since then. Scotland has some GAA. The north of England too. There's probably a club or two in Madrid and Paris, and maybe a league of some description in Germany. It's doubtful there's much GAA happens in Turkey or Poland. And oddly enough, apart from Scotland and England, the same "go to the indoor pub and get bladdered weekly" stereotype isn't prominent.

So I'm now around to thinking that it might be time to stop scapegoating GAA members, and especially the Association as an administrative body, and accept that if cases are rising across Europe, then what has happened in Ireland the past week isn't on the GAA.

What is going to happen will happe!  Its madness stopping everything and communities are actually starting to turn on each other. Oh look at him not wearing a mask, oh look at them hugging after a match, oh look at him having a pint with his mates , Fecking grow up people,

Covid is here to stay, we cannot hide away, we need some sort of normality!

Stephen Nolan running around a forecourt last night, did you ever see the like of that in your life?

i think thats exactly what people should be doing (not nolan) is calling out and telling peoplw to follow the rules and guidance, only then imo will we see some improvement.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 08, 2020, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 08, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
What is going to happen will happe!  Its madness stopping everything and communities are actually starting to turn on each other. Oh look at him not wearing a mask, oh look at them hugging after a match, oh look at him having a pint with his mates , Fecking grow up people,

well the people spreading the Covid, refusing to wear a mask etc certainly need to grow up.

as to Wobbler's point about other countries, the specific issues there could be different, but in all cases there are some things that are more a problem than others. But the issue is the same, you can do most things fine, but if you refuse to draw the line then you have a problem. The analogy I would use is driving in snow. You can get about in snow, but if you insist on driving in exactly the same way as you usually do then you'll end up in the ditch. The problem we have when driving in snow is that most people are taking it steady and keeping their distance, but some bollix overtakes and skids into someone else, and Covid is a bit like that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 08, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
NFL to be delayed or cancelled??
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40061432.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: BennyCake on October 08, 2020, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 08, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 08, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
A conundrum for me this week.

Like many others I was aghast at the club championship celebrations across Ireland - not the on-pitch ones, they're outdoors and relatively transient, but the pubs and clubs jammed full of young people drinking from cups, sharing mics, dancing, singing - basically the "what not do to" guide to Covid.

So I was in support of the GAA's "shut the lot down" announcement.

But looking at the news across the world since then. Scotland has some GAA. The north of England too. There's probably a club or two in Madrid and Paris, and maybe a league of some description in Germany. It's doubtful there's much GAA happens in Turkey or Poland. And oddly enough, apart from Scotland and England, the same "go to the indoor pub and get bladdered weekly" stereotype isn't prominent.

So I'm now around to thinking that it might be time to stop scapegoating GAA members, and especially the Association as an administrative body, and accept that if cases are rising across Europe, then what has happened in Ireland the past week isn't on the GAA.

What is going to happen will happe!  Its madness stopping everything and communities are actually starting to turn on each other. Oh look at him not wearing a mask, oh look at them hugging after a match, oh look at him having a pint with his mates , Fecking grow up people,

Covid is here to stay, we cannot hide away, we need some sort of normality!

Stephen Nolan running around a forecourt last night, did you ever see the like of that in your life?

This isn't about avoiding the TV inspector man. Everyone has the potential to KILL someone else by not doing the right things.

This talk about 'we have to live with this', people are basically saying "f**k this, i'm doing what I want". Yes we have to live with this until such times a cure is found. But until then, cop the f**k on, and follow the f**king health advice
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 08, 2020, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
NFL to be delayed or cancelled??
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40061432.html

For many counties the completion of the league is much, much more important than the championship.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 08, 2020, 03:48:13 PM
Yeah I think that is a valid point, lot of counties still have skin in the game for the league across all Divisions, far easier finish up that competition with two weekends at least. It's hard to see how the championship will be finished this year even if they brought it forward by two weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 08, 2020, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 08, 2020, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
NFL to be delayed or cancelled??
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40061432.html

For many counties the completion of the league is much, much more important than the championship.

It is and sensible call to make now is to reschedule the two remaining NFL games for January 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 08, 2020, 06:40:53 PM
As per RTÉ news, league going ahead, if you don't field then you forfeit.
And you aren't allowed to play Covid positive players either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 06:42:17 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 08, 2020, 06:40:53 PM
As per RTÉ news, league going ahead, if you don't field then you forfeit.
And you are now allowed to play Covid positive players either.

Might be alright if they take this super drug Trump was on?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 08, 2020, 07:03:27 PM
Fermanagh have just been relegated
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 08, 2020, 07:27:13 PM
One aspect of this is that dropping a tier in the two tier championship based on Covid relegations would be a bit harsh.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 08, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 08, 2020, 07:27:13 PM
One aspect of this is that dropping a tier in the two tier championship based on Covid relegations would be a bit harsh.

That won't be a concern for Croke Park
Now imagine there is a outbreak in Mayo or Tyrone or even Cork.
That would change things

I hope that Fermanagh county board does the right thing from a health and safety point of view and inform Croke park that they cannot field.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 08, 2020, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 08, 2020, 07:27:13 PM
One aspect of this is that dropping a tier in the two tier championship based on Covid relegations would be a bit harsh.

There's no tier 2 championship this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on October 08, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
But the league placings at the end of this year determine what tier you will be in next year?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 08, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
But the league placings at the end of this year determine what tier you will be in next year?
Correct
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 08, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
https://www.impartialreporter.com/sport/18781296.coronavirus-fermanagh-boss-hits-gaa-ten-players-covid-positive/?ref=twtrec    (https://www.impartialreporter.com/sport/18781296.coronavirus-fermanagh-boss-hits-gaa-ten-players-covid-positive/?ref=twtrec)

Good to see the GPA showing again that they can't be bought.
The job they are doing standing up for their members is outstanding.
And can I just add that John Horan has shown his true colours
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 08, 2020, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 08, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
But the league placings at the end of this year determine what tier you will be in next year?
Correct

Is it? Surely it's the positions at the end of next years league that count for the 2021 championship?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 08, 2020, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 08, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
But the league placings at the end of this year determine what tier you will be in next year?
Correct

Is it? Surely it's the positions at the end of next years league that count for the 2021 championship?

What they voted into congress last year.  Talk of regional NFL for 2021 tonight.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 08, 2020, 11:02:22 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/final-two-rounds-of-allianz-football-league-games-to-proceed-as-scheduled-1.4376091?mode=amp

Allianz Football League will proceed as scheduled, as will the All-Ireland minor and under-20 championships
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 09, 2020, 12:11:46 AM
Covid willing Seaf ;)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 09, 2020, 01:43:03 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 08, 2020, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 08, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
But the league placings at the end of this year determine what tier you will be in next year?
Correct

Is it? Surely it's the positions at the end of next years league that count for the 2021 championship?

What they voted into congress last year.  Talk of regional NFL for 2021 tonight.
That better mean Dublin v Wicklow

I've been dying for us to put those mountainy men firmly in their place since 1991

The most bitter rivalry in the game, though it only happens once every three decades, a bit like West Ham v Millwall
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 09, 2020, 07:51:54 AM
Quote from: FermGael on October 08, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 08, 2020, 07:27:13 PM
One aspect of this is that dropping a tier in the two tier championship based on Covid relegations would be a bit harsh.

That won't be a concern for Croke Park
Now imagine there is a outbreak in Mayo or Tyrone or even Cork.
That would change things

I hope that Fermanagh county board does the right thing from a health and safety point of view and inform Croke park that they cannot field.

They need to change it so that it doesn't impact what championship you are in next year. Other than that they can't postpone games every time players have covid in the squad or the season will never be completed. A few cases and you will be able to play on as long as load more not deemed as close contacts (and pass the covid test that it sounds like they'll get) - so very important that it is managed correctly that loads of players arent close contacts - no buses etc.

It's an exceptional year and will do well to get the thing played - will be a very novel championship if goes ahead. Won't be the same buzz as normal but will definitely help pass the autumn/winter weekends. And no doubt once it gets going there'll be nothing left behind on the pitch and more shocks than normal. The knockout help will help with the excitement.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2020, 09:05:49 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 08, 2020, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 08, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
But the league placings at the end of this year determine what tier you will be in next year?
Correct

Is it? Surely it's the positions at the end of next years league that count for the 2021 championship?

What they voted into congress last year.  Talk of regional NFL for 2021 tonight.

Think it was pretty clear that if you finished league in 2020 in Div3/Div4 then tier 2 applied. If you got promoted out of Div3 in 2021 then Tier 2 didn't apply. I.E. your position at the end of that years league determines your championship tier.

If they're talking about regional NFL then you can be sure it'll only be a knockout championship again so it's a moot point.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 09, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
Confirmed tonight that rapid testing will take place for the forthcoming season.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 10, 2020, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 09, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
Confirmed tonight that rapid testing will take place for the forthcoming season.
Only 6 months after rugby and soccer
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 10, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 09, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
Confirmed tonight that rapid testing will take place for the forthcoming season.
Jason Sherlock has tested positive
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 10, 2020, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 10, 2020, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 09, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
Confirmed tonight that rapid testing will take place for the forthcoming season.
Only 6 months after rugby and soccer

Such testing was only ever earmarked for the inter County winter season.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 10, 2020, 05:44:50 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 09, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
Confirmed tonight that rapid testing will take place for the forthcoming season.

let's hope they use a reliable test, some of these instant tests have had a rake of false positives.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 02:32:59 PM
Strong rumour circulating that roscommon and donegal with serious rule breach in boyle today. Match followed by indoor meal. Disgraceful if true

Edit match was in Sligo.

Afterwards Rossies had indoor secret sit down meal in boyle, guards called and they broke up the meal. But will GAA take action against Roscommon?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on October 11, 2020, 05:32:53 PM
I just cannot fathom how these guys are not getting it - there is stories of breaches running wild in dozens of counties - why they push the boundaries given the situation we find ourselves in is mind blowing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oliverkelly on October 11, 2020, 05:42:06 PM
Non story no rules or guidelines broken. Everything that took place met the specific rules around elite sports teams
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 05:47:55 PM
Two posters on here from Ros have PM'd me to ask me to take the post down as it is incorrect. That is fine, if it is incorrect I will take it down. One thing I would like clarified though is were the Gardai called to a function organised by Roscommon GAA in Boyle and did the meeting (or whatever it was) get disbanded as a result.

This from the Roscommon Herald (not from me or someone on twitter)...

https://roscommonherald.ie/2020/10/10/gardai-investigate-gathering/#.X4M2m8JKjAU

Gardaí have confirmed to the Roscommon Herald that they attended at a premises in Boyle this afternoon, Saturday, October 10th  at approximately 4.30 p.m. following reports of potential breaches of current Covid-19 regulations. Following engagement with Gardaí  a group of people gathered in the premises agreed to leave. "An investigation focused on the organisers of the event is currently underway,"  the Roscommon Herald has been informed.

According to a statement from Gardai: "In respect of regulations which are declared to be Penal Regulations under the Health Act 1947 as amended, An Garda Síochána adopts the approach of the Four Es which sees Gardaí engage, educate, encourage, and as a last resort, enforce.  Where Gardaí find potential breaches of the public health regulations a file is prepared for the DPP in each case.

"While An Garda Síochána will seek to encourage people to maintain the necessary public health measures, it will intervene where there is non-compliance with public health regulations," the statement concluded.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 11, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on October 11, 2020, 05:42:06 PM
Non story no rules or guidelines broken. Everything that took place met the specific rules around elite sports teams

Moral of the story don't believe every rumour that starts and spreads on social media.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: oliverkelly on October 11, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 05:47:55 PM
Two posters on here from Ros have PM'd me to ask me to take the post down as it is incorrect. That is fine, if it is incorrect I will take it down. One thing I would like clarified though is were the Gardai called to a function organised by Roscommon GAA in Boyle and did the meeting (or whatever it was) get disbanded as a result.

This from the Roscommon Herald (not from me or someone on twitter)...

https://roscommonherald.ie/2020/10/10/gardai-investigate-gathering/#.X4M2m8JKjAU

Gardaí have confirmed to the Roscommon Herald that they attended at a premises in Boyle this afternoon, Saturday, October 10th  at approximately 4.30 p.m. following reports of potential breaches of current Covid-19 regulations. Following engagement with Gardaí  a group of people gathered in the premises agreed to leave. "An investigation focused on the organisers of the event is currently underway,"  the Roscommon Herald has been informed.

According to a statement from Gardai: "In respect of regulations which are declared to be Penal Regulations under the Health Act 1947 as amended, An Garda Síochána adopts the approach of the Four Es which sees Gardaí engage, educate, encourage, and as a last resort, enforce.  Where Gardaí find potential breaches of the public health regulations a file is prepared for the DPP in each case.

"While An Garda Síochána will seek to encourage people to maintain the necessary public health measures, it will intervene where there is non-compliance with public health regulations," the statement concluded.

Yes cops attended and no its didnt get disbanded as a resukt
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 06:19:51 PM
Oliver when your own local paper remove their article, ill remove my post as you requested. That seems fair to me.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 06:37:44 PM
Elite sports teams are exempt from a load of the restrictions.
I believe post match meals are ok.
Some ne'er do wells in a certain Town reported to the Gardai that there was a "shindig" and revelry going on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 11, 2020, 06:40:45 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/1010/1170745-gathering-gaa-roscommon/

Gardaí in Roscommon are investigating a potential breach of Covid-19 regulations in Boyle in County Roscommon earlier today.

It follows a call out to a premises where it is understood a GAA gathering was taking place.

After engaging with gardaí, a group of people agreed to leave.

An investigation focused on the organisers of the event is currently under way.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Owenmoresider on October 11, 2020, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 06:37:44 PM
Elite sports teams are exempt from a load of the restrictions.
I believe post match meals are ok.
Some ne'er do wells in a certain Town reported to the Gardai that there was a "shindig" and revelry going on.
Curtain twitching is alive and well in Boyle it seems.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
What time was the roscommon game against donegal in sligo before hand?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on October 11, 2020, 07:46:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 06:37:44 PM
Elite sports teams are exempt from a load of the restrictions.
I believe post match meals are ok.
Some ne'er do wells in a certain Town reported to the Gardai that there was a "shindig" and revelry going on.

How are post match meals ok, just because it's 'elite players'?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
What time was the roscommon game against donegal in sligo before hand?
Why dont ya ask the feckin Roscommon Herald ;D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on October 11, 2020, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 06:37:44 PM
Elite sports teams are exempt from a load of the restrictions.
I believe post match meals are ok.
Some ne'er do wells in a certain Town reported to the Gardai that there was a "shindig" and revelry going on.

Any links you can post?

The elite exemption on training is well known but presumably they weren't practising mastication?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 08:30:01 PM
Have a read of this

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/#organised-indoor-gatherings
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
What time was the roscommon game against donegal in sligo before hand?
Why dont ya ask the feckin Roscommon Herald ;D

Well there were 2 boys sending me messages claiming I had it wrong, they seemed in the know so I am sure they know what time the game was. Then we could figure out how long they had been at the Boyle venue by the  time the Gardai arrived. That might help us understand if the Gardai moved them along or if the meeting had come to a natural conclusion
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on October 11, 2020, 08:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 08:30:01 PM
Have a read of this

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/#organised-indoor-gatherings

Read it. Very clear that this doesn't fall into the "elite sports" exemption.

It also is not one of the listed indoor events. The question is is that list exhaustive? I'm not sure.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 11, 2020, 09:02:08 PM
Oliver,  whyd you delete the post saying game was at 12?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on October 11, 2020, 08:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 08:30:01 PM
Have a read of this

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/#organised-indoor-gatherings

Read it. Very clear that this doesn't fall into the "elite sports" exemption.

It also is not one of the listed indoor events. The question is is that list exhaustive? I'm not sure.
A post match meal for the elite athletes is the usual procedure.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on October 11, 2020, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on October 11, 2020, 08:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 11, 2020, 08:30:01 PM
Have a read of this

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/#organised-indoor-gatherings

Read it. Very clear that this doesn't fall into the "elite sports" exemption.

It also is not one of the listed indoor events. The question is is that list exhaustive? I'm not sure.
A post match meal for the elite athletes is the usual procedure.

Where does it say it's BAU for elite sports?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2020, 10:13:59 PM
Can you have a meal in a restaurant still?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: smelmoth on October 11, 2020, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2020, 10:13:59 PM
Can you have a meal in a restaurant still?

15 people can dine outside or 25 indoors if 2 agree to get married or 1 of them is dead. It's unclear which Roscommon senior panel fall into
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ballinaman on October 11, 2020, 10:36:51 PM
Hey if you can't get to a game this year the next best thing is to back fit county for alleged covid rules breaches....what time we live in !
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

UK numbers collapsed after a long period of lockdown, it is hard to attribute that to the weather. Hot places like Arizona, Texas and Florida have had plenty of Covid over the summer.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on October 12, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Hot places like Arizona, Texas and Florida have had plenty of Covid over the summer.

There is a theory that those outbreaks were driven people in those hot places spending a lot of time indoors to escape the heat.

Here, we're having outbreaks because people are spending a lot of time indoors to escape the cold and wet.

It's not my theory but it's an interesting possibility.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 04:32:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

UK numbers collapsed after a long period of lockdown, it is hard to attribute that to the weather. Hot places like Arizona, Texas and Florida have had plenty of Covid over the summer.
Numbers fell all over Europe as the weather improved. Now it'sgetting colder and numbers are up again. 
I can't see any other viable explanation for it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 04:32:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

UK numbers collapsed after a long period of lockdown, it is hard to attribute that to the weather. Hot places like Arizona, Texas and Florida have had plenty of Covid over the summer.
Numbers fell all over Europe as the weather improved. Now it'sgetting colder and numbers are up again. 
I can't see any other viable explanation for it.

The virus outbreak was Feb/March, widespread lockdowns were in place for most of spring and societies gradually reopened up when lockdowns were lifted during the summer months.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 12, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
Some people claim lockdowns don't work yet they can't point to one that didn't work

You'll find there's a very large crossover with these people and the people who say masks don't work and that Sweden got it right and New Zealand didn't and eulogise the right-wing think tank-funded "Great Barrington Declaration"

Stupid opinions tend to herd together

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
I'd be totally against another lockdown - it's a vicious circle as the virus is just being suppressed - once the country reopens it's still there & history repeats itself.

What's the old saying - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
I'd be totally against another lockdown - it's a vicious circle as the virus is just being suppressed - once the country reopens it's still there & history repeats itself.

What's the old saying - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results

What's you message for health workers?

Just rely on PPE and it's ongoing supply? If the PPE isn't there during the shift just walk out?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 04:32:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

UK numbers collapsed after a long period of lockdown, it is hard to attribute that to the weather. Hot places like Arizona, Texas and Florida have had plenty of Covid over the summer.
Numbers fell all over Europe as the weather improved. Now it'sgetting colder and numbers are up again. 
I can't see any other viable explanation for it.

You don't think the lock down and it's subsequent relaxation played a role?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 12, 2020, 06:11:24 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
I'd be totally against another lockdown - it's a vicious circle as the virus is just being suppressed - once the country reopens it's still there & history repeats itself.

What's the old saying - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results

What's you message for health workers?

Just rely on PPE and it's ongoing supply? If the PPE isn't there during the shift just walk out?
"Eat cake", I suspect
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
I'd be totally against another lockdown - it's a vicious circle as the virus is just being suppressed - once the country reopens it's still there & history repeats itself.

What's the old saying - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results

What's you message for health workers?

Just rely on PPE and it's ongoing supply? If the PPE isn't there during the shift just walk out?

Is there an issue with PPE? Hadn't seen any recent coverage citing supply issues?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
I'd be totally against another lockdown - it's a vicious circle as the virus is just being suppressed - once the country reopens it's still there & history repeats itself.

What's the old saying - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results

What's you message for health workers?

Just rely on PPE and it's ongoing supply? If the PPE isn't there during the shift just walk out?

Is there an issue with PPE? Hadn't seen any recent coverage citing supply issues?

The PPE issues are demand vs supply and then it's effectiveness.

Demand is about to go up. Let's hope there is enough.

But PPE doesn't offer immunity.

If Covid is let rip and numbers rise deaths won't be confined to the elderly. Of the others many will be healthcare workers. I just want to hear what the message for healthcare workers is for those in the let rip mode
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
I fully appreciate demand Vs supply - but are you aware of an issue or are you just guessing?


So we lockdown - suppress the virus - ease pressure on NHS & that's us?

Then when it spikes again early next year we do the same & repeat until a vaccine is found?

Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people go out of work / hundreds of thousands of children miss out on education / same numbers of kids miss out on the social interaction of GAA / thousands of men & women miss out on the same social interaction of the GAA & other outlets!

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 12, 2020, 07:03:11 PM
And we let it rip....
Army taking lorry loads of coffins out of hospitals?, doctors having to decide do we take the comatose Covid sufferer out of the ICU bed to let in the car crash victim? Let the medical people get it in large numbers?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 12, 2020, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

So it's sciences fault a cure or vaccine hasn't been found for a virus no one has ever seen or dealt with before?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
Off course we don't let it rip - we all have personal accountability to adhere to the guidance man!

If you can hand on heart state you've done so over the course of this period then your a better man than I but Jesus Mary & Joseph now is the time to limit your movements to suppress the virus!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 12, 2020, 07:24:38 PM
Absolutely.
But there are so many thicks out there** that it takes Government restrictions to get them to make any effort.

** 6 Cos more so than 26 but too many in both areas.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on October 12, 2020, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

Scientific research takes time. Especially if it is to be done right. Its a process of experimentation, controlled trial and error, review, repetition to reproduce results and so on.

The virus hasn't even been with us for a year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 12, 2020, 08:13:12 PM
I'd say Angelo gets fierce angry with the weather forecasters when it rains
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 12, 2020, 08:13:12 PM
I'd say Angelo gets fierce angry with the weather forecasters when it rains

Sure they are only guessing.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
We'll be out of this before science solves it.

How long is anyone's guess though.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: 6th sam on October 12, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 12, 2020, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?
Do

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

Scientific research takes time. Especially if it is to be done right. Its a process of experimentation, controlled trial and error, review, repetition to reproduce results and so on.

The virus hasn't even been with us for a year.
By definition this is a novel virus, and therefore we are still
Learning about it. There is much debate on the benefits/risks of restrictions/lockdown, but what most intelligent people can agree on is the following: distance, hygiene , masks, responsible behaviour around testing/tracing/isolation, healthy lifestyle , protect the vulnerable. These are all backed up by science .
However what is also backed up
By science is the effect of poverty and unemployment on health, the effect of inadequate funding of the health service, diseases of isolation, diseases of inactivity, the effects of delayed diagnosis and treatment, the effect of cessation of schooling on education .
What I can't understand is those that rightly quote the importance of following scientific guidance on the direct effects of Coronavirus (including heAlth ministers, and scientific advisers) , don't seem to attach the same significance to the indirect effects of Covid.

Anecdotal stories about the direct effect of the virus , though important and often tragic, have to be contextualised and not inappropriately given extra weight over other health traumas.

If the financial deficit due to Covid had been invested in the NHS over the last few years, then we'd have been in a better position to fight Covid.

Regardless of views on Covid, a "blame culture" is unhelpful, and the fear, blame and lazy science promoted by the likes of Stephen Nolan, hasn't worked. Respectful encouragement of public responsibility worked much better in the earlier stages of this pandemic .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
I'd be totally against another lockdown - it's a vicious circle as the virus is just being suppressed - once the country reopens it's still there & history repeats itself.

What's the old saying - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results

What did we do in February and March. You agree it would be insane to repeat that? Look at the impact of reopening the economy. You no doubt believe it would be insane to try that again?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

How so?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
I fully appreciate demand Vs supply - but are you aware of an issue or are you just guessing?


So we lockdown - suppress the virus - ease pressure on NHS & that's us?

Then when it spikes again early next year we do the same & repeat until a vaccine is found?

Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people go out of work / hundreds of thousands of children miss out on education / same numbers of kids miss out on the social interaction of GAA / thousands of men & women miss out on the same social interaction of the GAA & other outlets!

I don't see where you are going with the "guessing" remark.

I simply state that anyone who favours a let it rip strategy or a lock up the elderly and let it rip otherwise needs to spell out the deal for health workers. They will be critical. The experience to date is that PPE offers no guarantee of protection and supply lines have been patchy when the pressure is on. Granted there is a longer lead in time this time.

Kids are not currently missing out of school in any significant numbers. There seems to be a determination to keep that way with a broad consensus.

Kids GAA isn't cancelled everywhere. And doesn't need to be. It will also have a natural break over the winter.

The other things you mention you are going to have to sit tight on for a while.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
We'll be out of this before science solves it.

How long is anyone's guess though.

So we will be out of this by some non scientific means?

That is quite spectacular
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 12, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 12, 2020, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?
Do

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

Scientific research takes time. Especially if it is to be done right. Its a process of experimentation, controlled trial and error, review, repetition to reproduce results and so on.

The virus hasn't even been with us for a year.
By definition this is a novel virus, and therefore we are still
Learning about it. There is much debate on the benefits/risks of restrictions/lockdown, but what most intelligent people can agree on is the following: distance, hygiene , masks, responsible behaviour around testing/tracing/isolation, healthy lifestyle , protect the vulnerable. These are all backed up by science .
However what is also backed up
By science is the effect of poverty and unemployment on health, the effect of inadequate funding of the health service, diseases of isolation, diseases of inactivity, the effects of delayed diagnosis and treatment, the effect of cessation of schooling on education .
What I can't understand is those that rightly quote the importance of following scientific guidance on the direct effects of Coronavirus (including heAlth ministers, and scientific advisers) , don't seem to attach the same significance to the indirect effects of Covid.

Anecdotal stories about the direct effect of the virus , though important and often tragic, have to be contextualised and not inappropriately given extra weight over other health traumas.

If the financial deficit due to Covid had been invested in the NHS over the last few years, then we'd have been in a better position to fight Covid.

Regardless of views on Covid, a "blame culture" is unhelpful, and the fear, blame and lazy science promoted by the likes of Stephen Nolan, hasn't worked. Respectful encouragement of public responsibility worked much better in the earlier stages of this pandemic .

I think you are ignoring the possibility that the economy never recovers the ground lost to Covid unless and until Covid is beaten/controlled.

If that is the case keeping some sort of lid on Covid is the basis of the indirect impacts of Covid.

Lifting current restrictions on pubs, restaurants etc is unlikely to be enough to rescue those and other sectors. To invest in those sectors you would effectively need a guarantee that there will NEVER again be a similar set of social restrictions or a set of circumstances where significant amounts of people just elect to stay home or least not to eat or drink out.

When you think of it that way you need to beat Covid to get confidence back
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on October 12, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
I fully appreciate demand Vs supply - but are you aware of an issue or are you just guessing?


So we lockdown - suppress the virus - ease pressure on NHS & that's us?

Then when it spikes again early next year we do the same & repeat until a vaccine is found?

Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people go out of work / hundreds of thousands of children miss out on education / same numbers of kids miss out on the social interaction of GAA / thousands of men & women miss out on the same social interaction of the GAA & other outlets!

I don't see where you are going with the "guessing" remark.

I simply state that anyone who favours a let it rip strategy or a lock up the elderly and let it rip otherwise needs to spell out the deal for health workers. They will be critical. The experience to date is that PPE offers no guarantee of protection and supply lines have been patchy when the pressure is on. Granted there is a longer lead in time this time.

Kids are not currently missing out of school in any significant numbers. There seems to be a determination to keep that way with a broad consensus.

Kids GAA isn't cancelled everywhere. And doesn't need to be. It will also have a natural break over the winter.

The other things you mention you are going to have to sit tight on for a while.

I haven't heard shortages of  PPE being flagged across any platforms - I merely asked if you have some first hand knowledge of this as it was absolutely one of the first items flagged up at the beginning of the pandemic.

We will have to agree to disagree on the "let it rip" I certainly don't advocate anything like that, I would much rather the vast percentage of the population adhered to the guidance & prevented a lockdown as I'd fear the consequences of another lockdown would be irreversible for many people - I found myself today phoning a well known construction contractor and warning that if his two van loads of 6 men continued to travel in the same vans to a nearby construction site & pop into the local shop with no masks I'll be phoning the police - that is not me but this cannot continue as I said above I fear what another lockdown will do on wider society
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 10:02:18 PM
And as I stated in a post on the previous page I am really concerned that large sections of the economy cannot recover whilst Covid lingers in the background. The idea that a recovery can be mounted whilst Covid hangs around with the capacity to accelerate at any time looks hopeful to the point of incredible
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 13, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
Missed a bit here......

Firstly - the Roscommon "incident". The GAA guidelines on Return to Play were complied with from my reading/knowledge of the event. These guidelines have been approved by government. Like the Donegal/Mayo game the previous week this is a non-story. People don't seem to understand that there's an exemption for elite sports which intercounty GAA (rightly) qualifies as. The Guidelines are very detailed and cover practically all things you can think of. A shame Garda time was wasted on this.

Secondly - a lockdown. Unfortunately we have let things get totally out of control. After suffering the pain of the first lockdown we unfortunately went back to virtually normal which was ridiculous and had produced the inevitable result. Bottom line is we have to do it again and this time come out of it smarter and different. We will have to accept some certain controls on our lives until a vaccine is available. Delaying the second lockdown is only extending how long it will be. This is sadly just the truth. I think we can suppress the virus and keep it at a low level if we're willing to take some pain. I just think too many people just don't care though....I'm alright Jack...
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 13, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
100% right on the "chicken curry" business in Boyle Seánie. All was set up in accordance with guidelines.
Hard to disagree with your Covid comments either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 13, 2020, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 13, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
Missed a bit here......

Firstly - the Roscommon "incident". The GAA guidelines on Return to Play were complied with from my reading/knowledge of the event. These guidelines have been approved by government. Like the Donegal/Mayo game the previous week this is a non-story. People don't seem to understand that there's an exemption for elite sports which intercounty GAA (rightly) qualifies as. The Guidelines are very detailed and cover practically all things you can think of. A shame Garda time was wasted on this.

Secondly - a lockdown. Unfortunately we have let things get totally out of control. After suffering the pain of the first lockdown we unfortunately went back to virtually normal which was ridiculous and had produced the inevitable result. Bottom line is we have to do it again and this time come out of it smarter and different. We will have to accept some certain controls on our lives until a vaccine is available. Delaying the second lockdown is only extending how long it will be. This is sadly just the truth. I think we can suppress the virus and keep it at a low level if we're willing to take some pain. I just think too many people just don't care though....I'm alright Jack...

The WHO are not advocating lockdowns. I think we all support people doing the right things and enforcing that. In my opinion enforcement was the biggest issue. Cops basically have done nothing and continue to pretty much do nothing only pointless check points which any eejit could take his way through. Where were the pubs closures, fines etc. Lockdown is not sustainable. There is a strong chance we wont get a vaccine to the most vulnerable people until mid 21, the rest of us 6 to 12 months later. Are we going to stay in perpetual lock down? It cant be done. There needs to be more innovation brought to this. People are listening to Tony Holohan like he is some god, scratch the surface with that fella and you will find he's not the man most people think he is. He has a blinkered single issue perspective. Government need to take that on board and look at everything else too. For once I am glad the government is holding him back. Lock down is grand if you are a teacher or civil servant, certain of getting your wage. Not so great for the majority of people who work in private sector and not so great when all the money we lose and have to borrow will all have to be paid back through your taxes for a long long time.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 13, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
Missed a bit here......

Firstly - the Roscommon "incident". The GAA guidelines on Return to Play were complied with from my reading/knowledge of the event. These guidelines have been approved by government. Like the Donegal/Mayo game the previous week this is a non-story. People don't seem to understand that there's an exemption for elite sports which intercounty GAA (rightly) qualifies as. The Guidelines are very detailed and cover practically all things you can think of. A shame Garda time was wasted on this.

Secondly - a lockdown. Unfortunately we have let things get totally out of control. After suffering the pain of the first lockdown we unfortunately went back to virtually normal which was ridiculous and had produced the inevitable result. Bottom line is we have to do it again and this time come out of it smarter and different. We will have to accept some certain controls on our lives until a vaccine is available. Delaying the second lockdown is only extending how long it will be. This is sadly just the truth. I think we can suppress the virus and keep it at a low level if we're willing to take some pain. I just think too many people just don't care though....I'm alright Jack...

Seanie - you could be right on Boyle. Personally I don't know. There is clearly an exemption for elite sport to train and play. AFAIK there isn't a general exemption for the wider restrictions that elite sport can tap into. I could be wrong. All I can say that when I previously asked on this thread the link provided did not seem to cover the Boyle event

Agree on your wider comments
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: Itchy on October 13, 2020, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 13, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
Missed a bit here......

Firstly - the Roscommon "incident". The GAA guidelines on Return to Play were complied with from my reading/knowledge of the event. These guidelines have been approved by government. Like the Donegal/Mayo game the previous week this is a non-story. People don't seem to understand that there's an exemption for elite sports which intercounty GAA (rightly) qualifies as. The Guidelines are very detailed and cover practically all things you can think of. A shame Garda time was wasted on this.

Secondly - a lockdown. Unfortunately we have let things get totally out of control. After suffering the pain of the first lockdown we unfortunately went back to virtually normal which was ridiculous and had produced the inevitable result. Bottom line is we have to do it again and this time come out of it smarter and different. We will have to accept some certain controls on our lives until a vaccine is available. Delaying the second lockdown is only extending how long it will be. This is sadly just the truth. I think we can suppress the virus and keep it at a low level if we're willing to take some pain. I just think too many people just don't care though....I'm alright Jack...

The WHO are not advocating lockdowns. I think we all support people doing the right things and enforcing that. In my opinion enforcement was the biggest issue. Cops basically have done nothing and continue to pretty much do nothing only pointless check points which any eejit could take his way through. Where were the pubs closures, fines etc. Lockdown is not sustainable. There is a strong chance we wont get a vaccine to the most vulnerable people until mid 21, the rest of us 6 to 12 months later. Are we going to stay in perpetual lock down? It cant be done. There needs to be more innovation brought to this. People are listening to Tony Holohan like he is some god, scratch the surface with that fella and you will find he's not the man most people think he is. He has a blinkered single issue perspective. Government need to take that on board and look at everything else too. For once I am glad the government is holding him back. Lock down is grand if you are a teacher or civil servant, certain of getting your wage. Not so great for the majority of people who work in private sector and not so great when all the money we lose and have to borrow will all have to be paid back through your taxes for a long long time.

To be clear WHO want countries to take the correct steps and to do so early so that lockdowns do not become necessary. This is absolutely not the same as saying that WHO are against Lockdowns when they become necessary
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 13, 2020, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: Itchy on October 13, 2020, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 13, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
Missed a bit here......

Firstly - the Roscommon "incident". The GAA guidelines on Return to Play were complied with from my reading/knowledge of the event. These guidelines have been approved by government. Like the Donegal/Mayo game the previous week this is a non-story. People don't seem to understand that there's an exemption for elite sports which intercounty GAA (rightly) qualifies as. The Guidelines are very detailed and cover practically all things you can think of. A shame Garda time was wasted on this.

Secondly - a lockdown. Unfortunately we have let things get totally out of control. After suffering the pain of the first lockdown we unfortunately went back to virtually normal which was ridiculous and had produced the inevitable result. Bottom line is we have to do it again and this time come out of it smarter and different. We will have to accept some certain controls on our lives until a vaccine is available. Delaying the second lockdown is only extending how long it will be. This is sadly just the truth. I think we can suppress the virus and keep it at a low level if we're willing to take some pain. I just think too many people just don't care though....I'm alright Jack...

The WHO are not advocating lockdowns. I think we all support people doing the right things and enforcing that. In my opinion enforcement was the biggest issue. Cops basically have done nothing and continue to pretty much do nothing only pointless check points which any eejit could take his way through. Where were the pubs closures, fines etc. Lockdown is not sustainable. There is a strong chance we wont get a vaccine to the most vulnerable people until mid 21, the rest of us 6 to 12 months later. Are we going to stay in perpetual lock down? It cant be done. There needs to be more innovation brought to this. People are listening to Tony Holohan like he is some god, scratch the surface with that fella and you will find he's not the man most people think he is. He has a blinkered single issue perspective. Government need to take that on board and look at everything else too. For once I am glad the government is holding him back. Lock down is grand if you are a teacher or civil servant, certain of getting your wage. Not so great for the majority of people who work in private sector and not so great when all the money we lose and have to borrow will all have to be paid back through your taxes for a long long time.

To be clear WHO want countries to take the correct steps and to do so early so that lockdowns do not become necessary. This is absolutely not the same as saying that WHO are against Lockdowns when they become necessary

Indeed and this seemed very obvious to me

The reaction to what Mr. Nabarro said has been most instructive in showing us who is considering the Covid crisis in good faith and who is twisting anything they can to advance a horrible political ideology
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 13, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/liam-o-neill-believes-gaa-must-keep-option-open-to-cancel-intercounty-season-1.4378972

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill has said he believes that there would be support for the association were it to have to call off the intercounty season, which is due to start at the weekend.
He doesn't necessarily advocate that as a position but mindful of the deteriorating public health environment, says that it may become necessary.
"We empowered management to take these decisions and they have made good decisions all the way through," said O'Neill. "I would though caution them that if it comes to it that the intercounty championship has to be called off before it gets started – if things go badly in the next couple of weeks; in that context I think people will understand.
"I think there's some comfort in that. If the hard decisions have to be taken it will be for the best and accepted as such. If everything goes without much of a hitch that will be brilliant too, but realistically the situation is again difficult."
O'Neill, who was president between 2012 and '15, strongly argued during the first wave of coronavirus earlier in the year that the best thing would be to forget about 2020 and concentrate on making sure that next year proceeds smoothly.
He had no issue with the roadmap unveiled in the early summer, which set out a calendar of fixtures for both club and county but believes that caution is now needed.
"I made no comment on the decision of Coiste Bainistí because I was part of the authorising process that gave them the responsibility to make those decisions and I accept them fully but I'd love them to consider the possibility – do we really need this or have to do it? Maybe have that discussion about whether we may be walking ourselves into trouble.
"A pandemic is such a serious event. I know people haven't died in the sort of numbers we feared earlier in the year but nobody knows where this is going.
"There are also questions still lingering over the safety of our intercounty players. It's okay so far but activity has been mostly within our counties. Now to finish the league programme counties are going to have to be criss-crossing the country."
The former president also accepts that evolving medical and scientific advice led to the return of the games and helped to defuse concerns about social distancing on the pitch but he also referred to the abrupt termination of club activities a week ago amid indications that some post-county final celebrations were helping to spread Covid-19.
"My view all along was that if it's safe, go ahead and I have to say it was nice to see the few games we had this year.
"The club progressed but we suspected all along that it mightn't finish and to a certain extent it hasn't. You had most of the finals played and no one really minds what's left now because the narrative is that the club games went ahead, which they did but they haven't finished and may not until next year even though many of the outstanding finals have no bearing on intercounty teams."
There have been two significant issues on which the GAA has had to make hard choices. Initially there was no organisational enthusiasm for playing matches behind closed doors but that changed – maybe with the experience of other sports widely available.
Secondly there was always the prospect that teams might have to withdraw because of incidents of coronavirus within county panels, as happened to Fermanagh in the past weeks, with uncertainty now hanging over the county's Division 2 match against Clare, scheduled for Ennis.
O'Neill points out that teams have already been omitted from league and championship because of the public health situation.
"We already have excluded some counties: the overseas units like London, Lancashire, Warwickshire and of course New York. That's a pity because competitions aren't the same without them."
He is concerned that a matter of just weeks before the run-in to Christmas, the GAA shouldn't put itself under immense pressure to deliver something that, while it's being looked forward to, is not essential.
"Does it really matter now? I'd love someone to stand back and ask that. Does the intercounty championship really matter? We thought at the start of the all this that it would be terrible to go the rest of the year without an intercounty game but we've kind of survived without it.
"I would have preferred if we'd not put that pressure on ourselves. I'm not saying that the intercounty championship isn't important for many people but the whole effort we're making is to try and do what we normally do but in unbelievably difficult circumstances.


"I fully accept that the officials in Croke Park have to make those decisions, as does everyone tuning into remote meetings to agree these things. If things change and the country's not as safe as it was and we had to take the decision to pull the plug I don't think there'd be any hostility to that from the GAA public. I think people understand how serious things are."
On a lighter note, he's not convinced that the GAA can as easily go down the road of other sports in recording the sounds of supporters to add atmosphere to broadcasts from virtually empty stadiums.
"Nobody will be able to produce digital tracks to do justice to shouts of, 'Laois, Laois'!"
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cavan19 on October 13, 2020, 11:55:41 AM
That Roscommon thing is a complete non story.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 13, 2020, 12:03:01 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/fermanagh-s-aidan-breen-on-the-physical-and-mental-strain-of-covid-19-1.4378645 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/fermanagh-s-aidan-breen-on-the-physical-and-mental-strain-of-covid-19-1.4378645)
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Fermanagh's Aidan Breen on the physical and mental strain of Covid-19

'I went out for a walk one day and you would have swore I ran a marathon'

For every mealtime Rita Breen prepares a tray for her son, the Fermanagh footballer Aidan, leaves it on the landing outside his bedroom, knocks the door lightly, and walks away.

As someone who works providing home help for the elderly in the community, she along with husband Jamesie have to isolate themselves in the Tempo countryside as Aidan recovers from the Covid-19 infection that made its way through the Fermanagh panel since a collective training session on October 2nd.
Inside the bedroom, Aidan Breen has not found any of this easy. And yet, if Fermanagh's appeal for a postponement of this Sunday's league meeting in Ennis against Clare is turned down by the Competitions Control Committee, he will be deemed fit to play for his county in a must-win game, Fermanagh teetering on the brink of relegation.
"I went for a test on Sunday morning [October 3rd] for two reasons," he explains.
"There was a bit of a cluster with the few boys in the team and then in Tempo there was a bit of an outbreak. There was one in a local shop and I had been in the shop on the Saturday.
"I suppose the fact I am living with my parents, two people who would be high risk, I said I was going to just go to get tested.
"I felt the test was precautionary because I didn't feel I was in close contact. Luckily, the result came back on the Monday morning early, around 7am."
At the time, he was about to head through the door for his work as an electrician. He wasn't feeling the slightest symptom. He contacted his parents and other family and they all instantly began isolating.
He hasn't found the transition that easy.
"You could be sort of paranoid about it. You hear the rumour mill, stories going around, that my parents had it and they weren't well. There are people actually texting me about it and a couple of phonecalls to the house," he said.
"There were more rumours that another lad over the road had it, a player, and he was hospitalised. Again it wasn't true but a lot of that stuff is going on and you are sitting at home. Your head is away with it."
The physical symptoms soon arrived.
"I had no energy, I had a sore head. I felt very breathless. I went out for a walk one day and you would have swore I ran a marathon. I was caught for breath and had to pull the pin. My legs were like jelly."
He felt much better during a light run last weekend, but it is one thing jogging the back roads, another thing playing an intercounty match.
With 17 members of their panel isolating, both the Fermanagh squad, their county board, manager Ryan McMenamin and the GAA are all in exceptionally tricky territory.
"We are not going to get a chance to see what way we are. If I feel all right, do I say, 'Here, I am ready to go' and then I am done after five minutes?" asks Breen.
"That day I went for the run on the Wednesday, it was playing on my mind. With all this time on your hands, you are inclined to go into Google and type in long-term effects of Covid. You see all these people who have a reduced lung capacity and you have to turn your phone off. You would depress yourself, nearly.
"I imagine there are a lot of people saying we want it postponed because of the position we are in. Which is fair enough, we are in the position we deserve to be.
"The thing that worries me is that if the GAA do not show a bit of flexibility for the teams that are struggling, there are going to be cases covered up and there are teams who might not be honest.
"Close contacts are a big thing. They will continue to play away and the virus will get out of control. I think the GAA have to be flexible, we have 17 players in isolation and this is just our own example. It's not us feeling a bit sorry for ourselves."

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

How so?

What do we know about it? Are we immune from it? How long are we immune from it? How potent is it actually? How transmissible is it? How reliable is testing? How much a % of cases are asymptomatic? Do asymptomatic people have immunity?

We have no definitive answers to any of this. Nothing to give us assurance. If they can't solve the fundamentals, would you trust a vaccine rushed into production?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 12:43:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

How so?

What do we know about it? Are we immune from it? How long are we immune from it? How potent is it actually? How transmissible is it? How reliable is testing? How much a % of cases are asymptomatic? Do asymptomatic people have immunity?

We have no definitive answers to any of this. Nothing to give us assurance. If they can't solve the fundamentals, would you trust a vaccine rushed into production?

In your non scientific world is there a difference between "can't" and "have not yet"?

Also if science can't answer all questions does that make all science shit??

I am only asking as I have no insight into the science free world
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 12:43:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
The Ard Comhairle should have run the All Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9q8J4xShs in parallel with the club championships because Covid is seasonal and it will kill loads of people in December. There is no "better" until we get a vaccine. March was not a once-off.

Otherwise they should have chosen one between club and county.

Covid is not very seasonal.

It is.
Check out the Covid World Club Championships

When does South America peak? In our summer
When did UK numbers collapse? In the summer

This is Covid in a nutshell.

100% guesswork and theories that science can't solve.

We're going to gain our answers retrospectively on Covid.

The North is now a case study, it's rampant up here, the horse has bolted so closing the gate now will have little effect.

The next 5/6 weeks is going to give us the answers science has been contradicting itself about.

You are not a fan of science are you?

Doesn't seem to be earning it's keep against Covid.

How so?

What do we know about it? Are we immune from it? How long are we immune from it? How potent is it actually? How transmissible is it? How reliable is testing? How much a % of cases are asymptomatic? Do asymptomatic people have immunity?

We have no definitive answers to any of this. Nothing to give us assurance. If they can't solve the fundamentals, would you trust a vaccine rushed into production?

In your non scientific world is there a difference between "can't" and "have not yet"?

Also if science can't answer all questions does that make all science shit??

I am only asking as I have no insight into the science free world

Well there is a pandemic and time is off the essence and it seems like science has been scratching its noggin about the most basic questions for the past 10 months.

So I'm pretty much taking the view that it's more likely that the virus will have burned itself out before science comes up with the answers.

Look at the Spanish flu, went on for about 2 years +, science couldn't come up with the answers and it eventually burned itself out.

I don't have faith in science to solve it, I just think it will be a case of us having to live with it for whatever length of time it takes until it fizzles out naturally.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Eire90 on October 13, 2020, 02:55:42 PM
sweden has a different culture
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on October 13, 2020, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

What does living with the virus mean?

We're living with it in NYC by wearing masks, social distancing, online school, doing without the cinema and sports events and Broadway shows and limiting occupancy in restaurants and pubs. With the exception of certain groups who are openly flouting the restrictions and, as a result, suffering surging rates of infection, its working to keep infection rates down in most of the city.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

Sweden had significant reduction in social activity. The difference being they were asked to do it rather than being told. Did enough do what they were asked? Who knows but the current Swedish data is frightening. I heard on the radio that their per capita death rates were now 1000% that of Norway. Haven't checked that out yet.

Nobody is saying hide forever. They are not setting some arbitrary timeline on how long science has to come up with something
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 13, 2020, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 13, 2020, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

What does living with the virus mean?

We're living with it in NYC by wearing masks, social distancing, online school, doing without the cinema and sports events and Broadway shows and limiting occupancy in restaurants and pubs. With the exception of certain groups who are openly flouting the restrictions and, as a result, suffering surging rates of infection, its working to keep infection rates down in most of the city.

You're onto something there J70. We can't just get on with things as normal. We have to pick and choose what we can and cannot do until this thing goes away. If we absolutely have to have schools open then we can't have pubs, restaurants etc. what we did here was the worst of all worlds. Reacted too late - no option but a stiff lockdown - accelerated exit from lockdown to almost exactly where we were in early March in terms of restrictions - surge in virus again to probably worse levels than ever......What do we do now? I don't think it's realistic to bounce from "normal" to lockdown in cycles. Let this be the last time we make that terrible mistake.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

Sweden had significant reduction in social activity. The difference being they were asked to do it rather than being told. Did enough do what they were asked? Who knows but the current Swedish data is frightening. I heard on the radio that their per capita death rates were now 1000% that of Norway. Haven't checked that out yet.

Nobody is saying hide forever. They are not setting some arbitrary timeline on how long science has to come up with something

I think you fail the grasp the urgency this needs to be dealt with. How is the current Swedish data frightening?

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

Sweden had significant reduction in social activity. The difference being they were asked to do it rather than being told. Did enough do what they were asked? Who knows but the current Swedish data is frightening. I heard on the radio that their per capita death rates were now 1000% that of Norway. Haven't checked that out yet.

Nobody is saying hide forever. They are not setting some arbitrary timeline on how long science has to come up with something

I think you fail the grasp the urgency this needs to be dealt with. How is the current Swedish data frightening?

The 1000% would be worrying if true. I haven't checked it out. If it's wrong I'm happy to withdraw that bit.

But the big issue is that Sweden did not have a free for all.

Covid 19 needs dealt with as soon as possible. You have some weird timescale thing going on where if it's not sorted within an arbitrary timeframe we all give in. You have offered nothing, absolutely nothing to back that.

You also don't seem to address the contention that tackling Covid is a prerequisite to returning economic activity to pre pandemic levels.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

Sweden had significant reduction in social activity. The difference being they were asked to do it rather than being told. Did enough do what they were asked? Who knows but the current Swedish data is frightening. I heard on the radio that their per capita death rates were now 1000% that of Norway. Haven't checked that out yet.

Nobody is saying hide forever. They are not setting some arbitrary timeline on how long science has to come up with something

I think you fail the grasp the urgency this needs to be dealt with. How is the current Swedish data frightening?

The 1000% would be worrying if true. I haven't checked it out. If it's wrong I'm happy to withdraw that bit.

But the big issue is that Sweden did not have a free for all.

Covid 19 needs dealt with as soon as possible. You have some weird timescale thing going on where if it's not sorted within an arbitrary timeframe we all give in. You have offered nothing, absolutely nothing to back that.

You also don't seem to address the contention that tackling Covid is a prerequisite to returning economic activity to pre pandemic levels.

Science is charged with tackling Covid but it's not doing it.

It will have to run its course, Europe is currently undergoing a big second surge now but the data seems encouraging. I pointed to Spain elsewhere earlier, a 181% increase in cases in the second wave but only a 16% increase in deaths. The mortality rate has dropped for 9% to 0.8% and it should be noted that these mortality rates are much likely inflated by positive cases that never enter trough the testing system.

Trends like that say that the virus and the risk of it become more acceptable and something we have to learn to live with. What's happened in the north recently is going to give us a lot of answers. We have seen a 223% rise in cases in around 2 months, what happens in the next 5/6 weeks is going to be telling. Science don't seem to be making any progress so we've got to ask ourselves what is the acceptable risk? Do we go into lockdown when the seasonal flu comes along and puts people in hospital and takes lives?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: APM on October 13, 2020, 03:45:56 PM



Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

Sweden had significant reduction in social activity. The difference being they were asked to do it rather than being told. Did enough do what they were asked? Who knows but the current Swedish data is frightening. I heard on the radio that their per capita death rates were now 1000% that of Norway. Haven't checked that out yet.

Nobody is saying hide forever. They are not setting some arbitrary timeline on how long science has to come up with something

I think you fail the grasp the urgency this needs to be dealt with. How is the current Swedish data frightening?



Just looked at the WHO stats on deaths and it looks to be more like 10 times the deaths per capita in Norway.
https://covid19.who.int/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg5e_puGx7AIVh7HtCh0vNQgOEAAYASAAEgKpOvD_BwE

Still a big difference compared to other Scandanavian countries, but lower than UK per capita. Higher than Ireland.

The question about living with it is an important one.  News about a patient catching it twice in quick succession in the USA, with the second case being more serious, are really worrying.  Whether I'm 20 or 60 years old, in good health or bad, I don't want this disease.  The health impacts of large numbers of people catching it and develop long term symptoms are serious not just for individual health but for long term public health and services, never mind dealing with the short-term intensive care cases.   
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on October 13, 2020, 04:04:56 PM
I cannot see games going ahead this weekend, if there are Northern teams involved, given the way NI numbers are.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 04:05:57 PM
Quote from: APM on October 13, 2020, 03:45:56 PM



Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

Sweden had significant reduction in social activity. The difference being they were asked to do it rather than being told. Did enough do what they were asked? Who knows but the current Swedish data is frightening. I heard on the radio that their per capita death rates were now 1000% that of Norway. Haven't checked that out yet.

Nobody is saying hide forever. They are not setting some arbitrary timeline on how long science has to come up with something

I think you fail the grasp the urgency this needs to be dealt with. How is the current Swedish data frightening?



Just looked at the WHO stats on deaths and it looks to be more like 10 times the deaths per capita in Norway.
https://covid19.who.int/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg5e_puGx7AIVh7HtCh0vNQgOEAAYASAAEgKpOvD_BwE

Still a big difference compared to other Scandanavian countries, but lower than UK per capita. Higher than Ireland.

The question about living with it is an important one.  News about a patient catching it twice in quick succession in the USA, with the second case being more serious, are really worrying.  Whether I'm 20 or 60 years old, in good health or bad, I don't want this disease.  The health impacts of large numbers of people catching it and develop long term symptoms are serious not just for individual health but for long term public health and services, never mind dealing with the short-term intensive care cases.   

How can we quantify long term symptoms? It's only been around 10 months or so.

Has anyone here ever had a flu? Has it ever floored you? Has it ever been months before you weren't right again? I can tell you when you've had a flu you know about it and it can take a long time to recover from it.

It can also hospitalise fit and healthy people and in some cases kill them. But it's something we live with.

About the patient catching it twice? There's 8-9m confirmed cases in the US of Covid, this individual is the first to catch it twice there. Is it an anomaly? Who knows, I know science doesn't and are we meant to sit on our hands waiting for science. I'm not encouraged by their efforts so far.

It will come down to what is an acceptable risk. The data (in Europe) at present says that cases are going up rapidly and deaths are remaining relatively stable - if that rings true over the next few months - is it then something we learn to live with?

The pictures of Lombardy and Madrid would all have scared us at the beginning but was that just not being prepared for it? Maybe it was much more widespread in those regions.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 13, 2020, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
Angelo that doesn't answer the question. You are behaving like a spoiled child. Science doesn't offer a guaranteed positive outcomes or to get their quickly. But it tries. More power to the body scientific in that pursuit. You seem to be advocating not trying. You are free to pay that nonsense but it is extremely important that anybody reading it recognises it for the horse shit that it is.

I think you are probably wrong in where you think Spanish flu cane from and where it went. We can both agree that Spanish flu is not a pattern anybody wants to repeat.

This burning or fizzling out maybe isn't the thing you want it to be

I think I'm just being realistic about the matter, we can't stay hiding under the bed for the rest of our lives about something science is showing that it is struggling to solve.

I think we need to learn to live with the virus as I don't have faith in science to fix the problem in the short to medium term.

We will find some answers out ourselves from the data in the next 2/3 months. The second wave is surging across Europe, we will find out to what impact and I think that will dictate how we approach matters going forward.

For all the ridicule the Swedes got - maybe they actually had the right approach?

What does living with the virus mean?

We're living with it in NYC by wearing masks, social distancing, online school, doing without the cinema and sports events and Broadway shows and limiting occupancy in restaurants and pubs. With the exception of certain groups who are openly flouting the restrictions and, as a result, suffering surging rates of infection, its working to keep infection rates down in most of the city.

I would say at the minute, we are living with the virus up north but that's only due to a lack of funding from Westminister.

I'd say down south they are not living with the virus, they are effectively back to lockdown despite their incident rate being much lower.

It's got to be about protecting the elderly, vulnerable and those with underlying conditions.

53 care homes having outbreaks is a huge worry now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 13, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 13, 2020, 04:04:56 PM
I cannot see games going ahead this weekend, if there are Northern teams involved, given the way NI numbers are.

Cavan have a cunning plan, we are going to drive to Kildare via Monaghan and infect as many as possible by having elite team dinners in every village. We will do Meath on the way back.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 13, 2020, 06:24:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 13, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 13, 2020, 04:04:56 PM
I cannot see games going ahead this weekend, if there are Northern teams involved, given the way NI numbers are.

Cavan have a cunning plan, we are going to drive to Kildare via Monaghan and infect as many as possible by having elite team dinners in every village. We will do Meath on the way back.

I cannot believe that Cavan Co Board will be paying for those dinners
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 13, 2020, 06:26:48 PM
The mane hoors will probably snake off without payin'.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 13, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Speaking to relatives in Wexford and cases have shot up in the last week so. Significant no of cases in the parishes that played in the finals 9/10 days ago
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 13, 2020, 09:43:52 PM
Any white smoke from the Fermanagh appeal?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 13, 2020, 09:44:26 PM
I see Moycullen have pulled players out of the Galway panel too.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: seafoid on October 13, 2020, 09:50:00 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/shanetcurran/status/1316086045927182339
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 14, 2020, 11:19:20 AM
Should the League of Ireland soccer and Pro14 rugby (this involves travel into and out of the country by the way!) be stopped or just GAA intercounty? What exactly are people saying?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 14, 2020, 12:48:11 PM
So the North have said

"No kind of organised contact sport involving households mixing outside the elite level"

I presume this covers the GAA.

Does this mean no training?? As usual sweet FA communication from Ulster GAA or from any of the 6 Counties on it!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on October 14, 2020, 12:49:44 PM
When is it you wang Ulster GAA to confirm their status? Before the announcement by Stormont?

A wee bit of patience wouldn't go amiss
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 14, 2020, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 14, 2020, 12:49:44 PM
When is it you wang Ulster GAA to confirm their status? Before the announcement by Stormont?

A wee bit of patience wouldn't go amiss

Only Leo gets to brief before the announcement!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 14, 2020, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 14, 2020, 12:49:44 PM
When is it you wang Ulster GAA to confirm their status? Before the announcement by Stormont?

A wee bit of patience wouldn't go amiss

Ideally before training this evening!!!

Details were widely circulated @ at 10.00am . . . it's 6 hours later and counting!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: downjim on October 14, 2020, 04:19:59 PM
WTF are they doing in the GAA  today, can someone make an announcement
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 14, 2020, 04:26:40 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1014/1171532-gaa-exempt-from-new-northern-ireland-restrictions/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 14, 2020, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 14, 2020, 04:26:40 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1014/1171532-gaa-exempt-from-new-northern-ireland-restrictions/

That's surely only inter-county?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 14, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
Club is finished is it not?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 14, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Yes GAA pulled all Club games in all 32 Counties independent of Governments.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 14, 2020, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 14, 2020, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 14, 2020, 12:49:44 PM
When is it you wang Ulster GAA to confirm their status? Before the announcement by Stormont?

A wee bit of patience wouldn't go amiss

Ideally before training this evening!!!

Details were widely circulated @ at 10.00am . . . it's 6 hours later and counting!!
Everyone else understood it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: supersub on October 14, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 14, 2020, 12:48:11 PM
So the North have said

"No kind of organised contact sport involving households mixing outside the elite level"

I presume this covers the GAA.

Does this mean no training?? As usual sweet FA communication from Ulster GAA or from any of the 6 Counties on it!!

Catch yourself on. Seriously. Do you not think they will be looking some clarity themselves first? I'm
sure there is a queue at the door across the board seeking advice and clarity. Would it be totally shocking for businesses and livelihoods to get their answers before an amateur sport? 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 14, 2020, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 14, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
Club is finished is it not?

Until further notice including the next two weekends. One of which has passed. We got that email on the 7th October.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 15, 2020, 12:07:34 AM
1st public word of concern from a player
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40065029.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 15, 2020, 12:36:15 AM
Rapid testing used by Wexford.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/championship-fears-for-wexford-as-davy-fitzgeralds-squad-and-backroom-team-undergo-covid-tests-39626280.html
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 15, 2020, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 14, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 14, 2020, 12:48:11 PM
So the North have said

"No kind of organised contact sport involving households mixing outside the elite level"

I presume this covers the GAA.

Does this mean no training?? As usual sweet FA communication from Ulster GAA or from any of the 6 Counties on it!!

Catch yourself on. Seriously. Do you not think they will be looking some clarity themselves first? I'm
sure there is a queue at the door across the board seeking advice and clarity. Would it be totally shocking for businesses and livelihoods to get their answers before an amateur sport?

Tick tock . . .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 15, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Here's some club rugby fixtures this weekend.....

SAT 17 OCT
BALLYMENA

14:30

OMAGH ACADEMICALS

Eaton Park
SAT 17 OCT
BELFAST HARLEQUINS

14:30

DUNGANNON

Deramore Park
SAT 17 OCT
CITY OF DERRY

14:30

BANGOR

Judge's Road
SAT 17 OCT
CLONTARF

14:30

UCD

Castle Avenue
SAT 17 OCT
ENNISCORTHY

14:30

NAVAN RFC

Alcast Park
SAT 17 OCT
GALWAY CORINTHIANS RFC

14:30

BUCCANEERS

Corinthian Park
SAT 17 OCT
GALWEGIANS

14:30

BALLINA

Crowley Park
SAT 17 OCT
GREYSTONES

14:30

MALAHIDE

Dr Hickey Park
SAT 17 OCT
LANSDOWNE

14:30

OLD BELVEDERE

Aviva Stadium
SAT 17 OCT
MALONE

14:30

BANBRIDGE

Gibson Park
SAT 17 OCT
MU BARNHALL

14:30

BLACKROCK COLLEGE

Parsonstown
SAT 17 OCT
NAAS

14:30

ST MARY'S COLLEGE

Forenaughts
SAT 17 OCT
OLD WESLEY

14:30

TERENURE COLLEGE

Energia Park
SAT 17 OCT
QUEENS UNIVERSITY

14:30

CITY OF ARMAGH

Dub Lane
SAT 17 OCT
RAINEY OLD BOYS

14:30

BALLYNAHINCH

Hatrick Park
SAT 17 OCT
WANDERERS

14:30

SKERRIES

Merrion Road
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on October 15, 2020, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 14, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Yes GAA pulled all Club games in all 32 Counties independent of Governments.

A good few county finals still to be completed. Hard to see that happen this side of Christmas now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 15, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on

What's you opinion of the rugby games I listed going ahead? A lot of them are taking place in the north. There's probably League of Ireland and Irish League soccer too. Are we not playing any of them or is it just GAA cos GAA is the only one that ever gets mentioned.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 15, 2020, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on

Most if not all teams will be expected to drive individually to their games this weekend than travelling together on a team bus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 15, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on

What's you opinion of the rugby games I listed going ahead? A lot of them are taking place in the north. There's probably League of Ireland and Irish League soccer too. Are we not playing any of them or is it just GAA cos GAA is the only one that ever gets mentioned.

LOI have shown they can deal with Covid-19 and implement social distancing. They haven't had any problems. The club rugby games shouldn't really go ahead either.

I see IRFU have now cancelled the club games at the weekend.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 15, 2020, 05:31:23 PM
It's a stretch describing  Club rugby as "elite" or indeed L of I or IL soccer either.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on October 15, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 15, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on

What's you opinion of the rugby games I listed going ahead? A lot of them are taking place in the north. There's probably League of Ireland and Irish League soccer too. Are we not playing any of them or is it just GAA cos GAA is the only one that ever gets mentioned.

LOI have shown they can deal with Covid-19 and implement social distancing. They haven't had any problems. The club rugby games shouldn't really go ahead either.

I see IRFU have now cancelled the club games at the weekend.

But there is no crowds at these games so your 'social distancing' is a moot point
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 15, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 15, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on

What's you opinion of the rugby games I listed going ahead? A lot of them are taking place in the north. There's probably League of Ireland and Irish League soccer too. Are we not playing any of them or is it just GAA cos GAA is the only one that ever gets mentioned.

LOI have shown they can deal with Covid-19 and implement social distancing. They haven't had any problems. The club rugby games shouldn't really go ahead either.

I see IRFU have now cancelled the club games at the weekend.

But there is no crowds at these games so your 'social distancing' is a moot point

LOI teams have shown they can organise games safely.  GAA have shown they can't. Do people really believe no fans will get into any games this weekend? As a player would you be comfortable travelling to Monaghan or Donegal this weekend were cases are out of control?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: RedHand88 on October 15, 2020, 05:46:43 PM
Club rugby is off now because it is not elite sport.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 15, 2020, 06:01:13 PM
I'd say a lot of intercounty players are probably glad of having football as a distraction in these times.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2020, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 15, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on

What's you opinion of the rugby games I listed going ahead? A lot of them are taking place in the north. There's probably League of Ireland and Irish League soccer too. Are we not playing any of them or is it just GAA cos GAA is the only one that ever gets mentioned.

LOI have shown they can deal with Covid-19 and implement social distancing. They haven't had any problems. The club rugby games shouldn't really go ahead either.

I see IRFU have now cancelled the club games at the weekend.

A mate of mine is chairman of a league of Ireland rugby club here in Belfast, they've had loads of issues with having games played due to Covid, it's not plain sailing
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 15, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
Arlene has taken the Fermanagh news badly .
Gaa have nobody to blame here but themselves.
She never misses a game at Brewster...

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19   (https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19)


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: square_ball on October 15, 2020, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 15, 2020, 06:01:13 PM
I'd say a lot of intercounty players are probably glad of having football as a distraction in these times.

Stefan Campbell said as much today but won't get as many headlines as John Heslins statement.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2020, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 15, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
So this shit is actually going ahead?

Donegal and Tyrone are meeting in Ballybofey this weekend?

Looking forward to it, will be interesting to see if the championship has any bearing on the way the teams approach it. Both still need points and a game behind them so it should be fairly competitive.

Will be great to see some live gaa over the next 2 months if it goes ahead. It's relatively small numbers involved and most teams will be out with 3/4 weeks for now. Given the lack of cases attributed to thousands of club games the matches will hopefully pass of without issue. The only problem could be if an outsider won the All Ireland and everyone went on the drink together.

I think by now most people know the dangers of celebrations so hopefully there won't be the mass gatherings like happened after club matches.

It's ridiculous games are going ahead this weekend, especially in the North. Wexford clubs went on the piss after the county finals and now 6 players on the football/hurling panel have tested positive for Covid-19. Kerry players are expected to drive up to Monaghan individually and back again for their game. Crazy what's going on

What's you opinion of the rugby games I listed going ahead? A lot of them are taking place in the north. There's probably League of Ireland and Irish League soccer too. Are we not playing any of them or is it just GAA cos GAA is the only one that ever gets mentioned.

LOI have shown they can deal with Covid-19 and implement social distancing. They haven't had any problems. The club rugby games shouldn't really go ahead either.

I see IRFU have now cancelled the club games at the weekend.

A mate of mine is chairman of a league of Ireland rugby club here in Belfast, they've had loads of issues with having games played due to Covid, it's not plain sailing

It's not so much getting the games played. It's allowing people in to watch games and not social distancing.

If you worked with a kerry footballer would you be comfortable working along side him on Monday after he spent the weekend in Monaghan?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2020, 10:55:40 PM
If he's responsible and followed the rules, the yes, if he was a piss head then no.. very simple. That goes for any clampit that wants to expose himself to risk.

Players are at elite level they are meant to keep within their bubbles.

I was refereeing last week, in house county game, should I have informed my work colleagues?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2020, 10:55:40 PM
If he's responsible and followed the rules, the yes, if he was a piss head then no.. very simple. That goes for any clampit that wants to expose himself to risk.

Players are at elite level they are meant to keep within their bubbles.

I was refereeing last week, in house county game, should I have informed my work colleagues?

Did you spend the weekend in a county with one of the highest covid-19 rates in the country? If so then yes. Also payers have real lives off the pitch. They mix with work colleagues and families on a daily basis. It's not like the EPL were you can create bubbles for players.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 16, 2020, 08:11:11 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2020, 10:55:40 PM
If he's responsible and followed the rules, the yes, if he was a piss head then no.. very simple. That goes for any clampit that wants to expose himself to risk.

Players are at elite level they are meant to keep within their bubbles.

I was refereeing last week, in house county game, should I have informed my work colleagues?

Did you spend the weekend in a county with one of the highest covid-19 rates in the country? If so then yes. Also payers have real lives off the pitch. They mix with work colleagues and families on a daily basis. It's not like the EPL were you can create bubbles for players.

There might be a few exceptions in the league but for nearly every match played over the next month teams will travel back and forth on the same day. In that case what difference does it make what county the game is played in? They'll pull up at a football pitch play the game and go home. It's not like the locals will have sprayed covid on the pitch or the air will be full of it. If the rules are followed the venue shouldn't make any difference.

The government are currently trying to manage risks. They aren't keeping everyone in the house and trying to manage what activities go ahead. They obviously see plenty of benefits of these games going ahead - it's difficult times and will help take the pandemic of tens of thousands of people every weekend and give them something else to talk and think about. That's one huge mental health benefit. It will also help generate money that would otherwise be lost. The gaa might not be professional but it does generate a lot of money which is pumped back into local communities.

Also they obviously see the risk being on the low side given the matches are outside. This is backed up by the fact that thousands of club matches have been played to date and the only clusters happened in individual clubs (it wasn't passed on to the opposition on the pitch) who were out celebrating or drowning their sorrows after county finals. As the games are centrally managed there will be a lot of matchday procedures in place to ensure the games are played safely and given the short time frame between games and the nature of county players I don't think there will be major post game issues in terms of gatherings.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2020, 10:55:40 PM
If he's responsible and followed the rules, the yes, if he was a piss head then no.. very simple. That goes for any clampit that wants to expose himself to risk.

Players are at elite level they are meant to keep within their bubbles.

I was refereeing last week, in house county game, should I have informed my work colleagues?

Did you spend the weekend in a county with one of the highest covid-19 rates in the country? If so then yes. Also payers have real lives off the pitch. They mix with work colleagues and families on a daily basis. It's not like the EPL were you can create bubbles for players.

Hotels and bars are closed in the north for a month, anyone staying over will be sleeping in their car
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 16, 2020, 09:16:27 AM
Quote from: FermGael on October 15, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
Arlene has taken the Fermanagh news badly .
Gaa have nobody to blame here but themselves.
She never misses a game at Brewster...

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19   (https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19)

Is she implying that the GAA aren't elite sports in the north?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:35:27 AM
Prepare yourselves for the outrage that will take place when there are scenes of scuffles breaking out at the weekend, players in each others faces and pulling and dragging ensuing.

That's the way the game is played but the Screaming Marys won't be stopped.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 16, 2020, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 16, 2020, 09:16:27 AM
Quote from: FermGael on October 15, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
Arlene has taken the Fermanagh news badly .
Gaa have nobody to blame here but themselves.
She never misses a game at Brewster...

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19   (https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19)

Is she implying that the GAA aren't elite sports in the north?

No think she took exception to a few headlines saying the gaa wasnt impacted by the new rules. The headlines of course were referring to county football. She was pointing out that like every other sport the gaa can only continue at elite level and she said in gaa this was county football. The tweet itself was confusing if you didn't know the context of it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 16, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 16, 2020, 08:11:11 AM
The government are currently trying to manage risks. They aren't keeping everyone in the house and trying to manage what activities go ahead. They obviously see plenty of benefits of these games going ahead - it's difficult times and will help take the pandemic of tens of thousands of people every weekend and give them something else to talk and think about. That's one huge mental health benefit. It will also help generate money that would otherwise be lost. The gaa might not be professional but it does generate a lot of money which is pumped back into local communities.

However, they are concerned that people will go to other people's houses to watch games, either for the usual or even to save on the GAAGo fee. The GAA should specifically ask people not to do this.

Quotelso they obviously see the risk being on the low side given the matches are outside. This is backed up by the fact that thousands of club matches have been played to date and the only clusters happened in individual clubs (it wasn't passed on to the opposition on the pitch) who were out celebrating or drowning their sorrows after county finals. As the games are centrally managed there will be a lot of matchday procedures in place to ensure the games are played safely and given the short time frame between games and the nature of county players I don't think there will be major post game issues in terms of gatherings.

They have recommended that there be no team huddles and the like and it will be interesting to see which teams are thick about this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 16, 2020, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 16, 2020, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 16, 2020, 09:16:27 AM
Quote from: FermGael on October 15, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
Arlene has taken the Fermanagh news badly .
Gaa have nobody to blame here but themselves.
She never misses a game at Brewster...

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19   (https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1316820885676982277?s=19)

Is she implying that the GAA aren't elite sports in the north?

No think she took exception to a few headlines saying the gaa wasnt impacted by the new rules. The headlines of course were referring to county football. She was pointing out that like every other sport the gaa can only continue at elite level and she said in gaa this was county football. The tweet itself was confusing if you didn't know the context of it.

Ah right. I just saw it there and I didn't know what the context was.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: magpie seanie on October 16, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 15, 2020, 05:46:43 PM
Club rugby is off now because it is not elite sport.

no - it's off because the IRFU decided to pull it I think. It coulfn't have been played last weekend in the ROI anyway if it wasn't classified as "elite".
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 16, 2020, 12:53:22 PM
Level 5 recommended by NPHET for the next six weeks, unlikely the government decline that for a 2nd time? NPHET said in a previous letter its ok to give the go ahead to Inter County matches at level 5 but last night Leo Varadkar said the GAA matches are off if we move to Level 5.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 16, 2020, 01:08:44 PM
Everything is going to pot again and I'd say the whole thing will be called to a halt next week but there's one thing for sure that we've learned since he had to take the number two position in Government and it's that Leo's ego is as out of control as the current spread of the COVID-19 virus.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 16, 2020, 06:24:55 PM
Liam O'Neill said to have said on Raidió na Gaeltachta today that the Intercounty championship should not go ahead.
So enjoy the games tomorrow.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 16, 2020, 06:35:54 PM
I think he was saying that some time last week too.
I suspect we'll be doing well if we see the NFL finished while the "Championship" is likely a goner at this stage.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 16, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
Irish league starting in less than an hour in coleraine 400 fans allowed in
Now they're not allowed but some are in already
Good luck removing them boys
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 16, 2020, 08:13:37 PM
According to the GPA survey 52% of players want the championship to go ahead. 24% against it and another 24% in favour but want better Covid-19 restrictions.

Hardly a ringing endorsement from the players of the GAA's policies
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
So if restrictions are better that's 76% willing to give it a go
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 16, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
So if restrictions are better that's 76% willing to give it a go

Not just restrictions though. Testing, transport to games for example have to be an issue
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
So if restrictions are better that's 76% willing to give it a go

Not just restrictions though. Testing, transport to games for example have to be an issue

You said better restrictions in your initial post, so I didn't expect it to be just temp checks.

If there's testing then that's great, if all good to go transport shouldn't be a problem?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Saffrongael on October 16, 2020, 09:09:36 PM
So Bernard Brogan reckons IC players should be in a hotel for a month in a NBA type bubble  :-\
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 16, 2020, 09:11:01 PM
I was reading that. Hasn't really covered himself in glory during this pandemic has Bernard.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Saffrongael on October 16, 2020, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 16, 2020, 09:11:01 PM
I was reading that. Hasn't really covered himself in glory during this pandemic has Bernard.

Seems successful off the pitch but also tone deaf and thick at the same time
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 16, 2020, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
So if restrictions are better that's 76% willing to give it a go

Not just restrictions though. Testing, transport to games for example have to be an issue

You said better restrictions in your initial post, so I didn't expect it to be just temp checks.

If there's testing then that's great, if all good to go transport shouldn't be a problem?

Ah lad come on. It's not just one or two things thing. I only listed a couple of examples. There's bound to be other issues. What happens if a players test positive at county and misses work does he get paid? Will GAA offer compensation? I doubt there's an easy quick fix. The GAA seem to have the attitude get the games played and it'll all be grand.

With all the Covid issues around both the Galway and Kerry U20 teams this week it's amazing that the game is going ahead tomorrow
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 16, 2020, 09:15:51 PM
Bernard is a business guy with a corporate mindset and that's the way he carries himself in all aspects of his life

It's why he never attained the folk hero status that Dermo did
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 16, 2020, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2020, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
So if restrictions are better that's 76% willing to give it a go

Not just restrictions though. Testing, transport to games for example have to be an issue

You said better restrictions in your initial post, so I didn't expect it to be just temp checks.

If there's testing then that's great, if all good to go transport shouldn't be a problem?

Ah lad come on. It's not just one or two things thing. I only listed a couple of examples. There's bound to be other issues. What happens if a players test positive at county and misses work does he get paid? Will GAA offer compensation? I doubt there's an easy quick fix. The GAA seem to have the attitude get the games played and it'll all be grand.

With all the Covid issues around both the Galway and Kerry U20 teams this week it's amazing that the game is going ahead tomorrow

If someone shows up at a GAA training or game and is positive, then it is most likely that they got it at work. They can claim the government payment like everyone else. If there was any real evidence of cluster of infection at a GAA event then perhaps a different view might be taken.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2020, 09:27:44 PM
I think Dublin7 has a different agenda, the fear of Dublin losing ;)

But in all seriousness, next year, some one catches Covid we'll just stop the games again, the year after someone catches it again we'll close it down again..

Or this ones good, someone catches it, he quarantines and everyone else gets tested, all good, then games goes ahead. Not perfect but binning the championship till we get a miracle is not the answer
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 17, 2020, 09:26:03 AM
Leitrim unable to field against Down
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on October 17, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Lot of the narrative is around county won't break the rules and things will be a lot tighter. Can't agree with that when Sligo manager Carew in paper today talks about having 60 players in on trial when gaa states it was strictly 32 players per panel. He also had over 45 players for a trial game against Wexford .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 17, 2020, 10:20:48 AM
Unsubstantiated rumours of split between players and manager.
Chairman Stenson was earlier in the week  calling for the League games to not go ahead.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 17, 2020, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 17, 2020, 10:20:48 AM
Unsubstantiated rumours of split between players and manager.
Chairman Stenson was earlier in the week  calling for the League games to not go ahead.
You could write off Leitrim's chances of Sam after that.  Player revolts against management don't end well until there's a manager change. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 17, 2020, 12:33:03 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 17, 2020, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 17, 2020, 10:20:48 AM
Unsubstantiated rumours of split between players and manager.
Chairman Stenson was earlier in the week  calling for the League games to not go ahead.
You could write off Leitrim's chances of Sam after that. 

:D ;D :D
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 17, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 17, 2020, 09:26:03 AM
Leitrim unable to field against Down

Unable or simply chose not to field? Tipp at home was a relegation play off for them regardless of the result today and they clearly weren't keen on traveling to Down.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Owenmoresider on October 17, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 17, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Lot of the narrative is around county won't break the rules and things will be a lot tighter. Can't agree with that when Sligo manager Carew in paper today talks about having 60 players in on trial when gaa states it was strictly 32 players per panel. He also had over 45 players for a trial game against Wexford .
He's managing Carlow now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 17, 2020, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 17, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Lot of the narrative is around county won't break the rules and things will be a lot tighter. Can't agree with that when Sligo manager Carew in paper today talks about having 60 players in on trial when gaa states it was strictly 32 players per panel. He also had over 45 players for a trial game against Wexford .

That's a major issue. Sean Cavanagh thinks players will hide symptoms to play in games. Some managers will pressure players to delay tests to play in games as well.

This insistence that the championship has to be played regardless of everything is crazy. There's going to be games called of due to cases of Covid and with such a short window to play the games walkovers will have to be awarded. Leitrim have already pulled out of a game this weekend. Championship could become a bit of a farce.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: marty34 on October 17, 2020, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 17, 2020, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 17, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Lot of the narrative is around county won't break the rules and things will be a lot tighter. Can't agree with that when Sligo manager Carew in paper today talks about having 60 players in on trial when gaa states it was strictly 32 players per panel. He also had over 45 players for a trial game against Wexford .

That's a major issue. Sean Cavanagh thinks players will hide symptoms to play in games. Some managers will pressure players to delay tests to play in games as well.

This insistence that the championship has to be played regardless of everything is crazy. There's going to be games called of due to cases of Covid and with such a short window to play the games walkovers will have to be awarded. Leitrim have already pulled out of a game this weekend. Championship could become a bit of a farce.

I said in summer, when club championship was on, to finish that and forget about intercounty.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 17, 2020, 06:14:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 17, 2020, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 17, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Lot of the narrative is around county won't break the rules and things will be a lot tighter. Can't agree with that when Sligo manager Carew in paper today talks about having 60 players in on trial when gaa states it was strictly 32 players per panel. He also had over 45 players for a trial game against Wexford .

That's a major issue. Sean Cavanagh thinks players will hide symptoms to play in games. Some managers will pressure players to delay tests to play in games as well.

This insistence that the championship has to be played regardless of everything is crazy. There's going to be games called of due to cases of Covid and with such a short window to play the games walkovers will have to be awarded. Leitrim have already pulled out of a game this weekend. Championship could become a bit of a farce.

The likes of Leitrim would only have one championship game anyway.

Testing must be regularised, not at the discretion of the management or the player but someone outside the team who comes along and runs the testing. So testing at training and testing at games.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on October 19, 2020, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

Someone's obviously telling a porky pie.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 16, 2020, 09:09:36 PM
So Bernard Brogan reckons IC players should be in a hotel for a month in a NBA type bubble  :-\

Says a Hotel owner...


Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on October 19, 2020, 11:46:31 AM
I actually heard the interview on today fm with matt Cooper. I switched over, I couldn't listen to anymore from Brogan.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on October 19, 2020, 11:52:14 AM
The man is completely out of touch with the real world.

While it is not their fault the way the Dubs have everything on tap would demonstrate why he thinks like this
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 19, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: five points on October 19, 2020, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

Someone's obviously telling a porky pie.
Leitrim hurlers played a game yesterday
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lazer on October 19, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Because they would have to pay them..

You can't tell someone who isn't required or even requested to self isolate by government legislation not to come into work and not pay them!

I wonder if it just because the game was over the border or because they were playing a game and therefore in contact with 30+ people?? We will see what will happen with next weeks game,

Cases in Newry, Mourne and Down are hovering around 300 per 100k, plenty of Parts of the South have just as many cases despite lower testing figures.

The Down manager has said they would played the fixture elsewhere if they had been asked.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on October 19, 2020, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Lazer on October 19, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Because they would have to pay them..

You can't tell someone who isn't required or even requested to self isolate by government legislation not to come into work and not pay them!

I wonder if it just because the game was over the border or because they were playing a game and therefore in contact with 30+ people?? We will see what will happen with next weeks game,

Cases in Newry, Mourne and Down are hovering around 300 per 100k, plenty of Parts of the South have just as many cases despite lower testing figures.

The Down manager has said they would played the fixture elsewhere if they had been asked.

Precisely. The rate in Cavan was about 600 per 100k at one stage last week. Lots of Leitrim people work in Cavan including in our hospital, and vice versa. Their Chairman is either deluded or lying.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: FermGael on October 19, 2020, 02:16:29 PM
https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1172479/?__twitter_impression=true (https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1172479/?__twitter_impression=true)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: Lazer on October 19, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Because they would have to pay them..

You can't tell someone who isn't required or even requested to self isolate by government legislation not to come into work and not pay them!

I wonder if it just because the game was over the border or because they were playing a game and therefore in contact with 30+ people?? We will see what will happen with next weeks game,

Cases in Newry, Mourne and Down are hovering around 300 per 100k, plenty of Parts of the South have just as many cases despite lower testing figures.

The Down manager has said they would played the fixture elsewhere if they had been asked.

People are supposed to be socially distancing. All the boss has to do is offer a choice if you play you can't come into work for 2 weeks. I doubt any court is going to prosecute anyone for that
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: ardtole on October 19, 2020, 03:25:22 PM
The interview from Bevan Duffy (louth captain) on lmfm, regarding the lack of testing of inter County squads is a real eye opener. Shocking actually.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 19, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 19, 2020, 03:25:22 PM
The interview from Bevan Duffy (louth captain) on lmfm, regarding the lack of testing of inter County squads is a real eye opener. Shocking actually.

The GAA has an odd anti testing slant, whether this is to reduce cost or because of a fear of what testing would reveal, I am not sure.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on October 19, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 19, 2020, 03:25:22 PM
The interview from Bevan Duffy (louth captain) on lmfm, regarding the lack of testing of inter County squads is a real eye opener. Shocking actually.

And I see Toma OSe has come back at him  :-X
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 19, 2020, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 19, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 19, 2020, 03:25:22 PM
The interview from Bevan Duffy (louth captain) on lmfm, regarding the lack of testing of inter County squads is a real eye opener. Shocking actually.

The GAA has an odd anti testing slant, whether this is to reduce cost or because of a fear of what testing would reveal, I am not sure.

The rapid testing as far as I know is on request than mandatory. The GAA needed many millions just to kick start this Inter County season. I'd like to hear who is funding the rapid testing as I doubt the GAA can afford it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
Level 5 in the offing in the south.

What's the impact on the championships if that does occur?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on October 19, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
Level 5 in the offing in the south.

What's the impact on the championships if that does occur?

No championship, unless they make an exception.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: five points on October 19, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
Level 5 in the offing in the south.

What's the impact on the championships if that does occur?

No championship, unless they make an exception.

According to RTE GAA Championship isn't effected by Level 5.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: galwayman on October 19, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: five points on October 19, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
Level 5 in the offing in the south.

What's the impact on the championships if that does occur?

No championship, unless they make an exception.

According to RTE GAA Championship isn't effected by Level 5.
Yeah I saw that on RTE alright.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Taylor on October 19, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
Quote from: galwayman on October 19, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: five points on October 19, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
Level 5 in the offing in the south.

What's the impact on the championships if that does occur?

No championship, unless they make an exception.

According to RTE GAA Championship isn't effected by Level 5.
Yeah I saw that on RTE alright.

No impact to the cship with Level 5.

If schools are to remain open and cship games to be played its more like level 4+ or 4.5
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 19, 2020, 05:09:05 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 04:25:33 PM
Level 5 in the offing in the south.

What's the impact on the championships if that does occur?

Hard to know. RTÉ reporting it will still go ahead at level 5. The roadmap drawn up says level 5 means games are off. Leo Varadkar one day says no games at level 5 the next day he said its possible. And to think some found it strange that the GAA once seeked for some clarity.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 05:25:02 PM
Basically the Govt have bottled that decision and left it squarely at the GAA door.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 05:25:02 PM
Basically the Govt have bottled that decision and left it squarely at the GAA door.

+1
They should cancel the championship but won't as they're worried it will cost them votes come the next election. Hoping the GAA do the job for them
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on October 19, 2020, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 05:25:02 PM
Basically the Govt have bottled that decision and left it squarely at the GAA door.

+1
They should cancel the championship but won't as they're worried it will cost them votes come the next election. Hoping the GAA do the job for them

Agree 100%. Anything else would ignite a bonfire of resentment against the GAA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: J70 on October 19, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Championship cannot go ahead, surely?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example

Why would office workers not be WFH?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 19, 2020, 05:45:43 PM
Dublin under pressure now
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Cancelling the Championship and making the league null and void is the only option now.

(With vested interests)
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example

Why would office workers not be WFH?

So you can't think of anyone who has to work in an office and can't work from home? Not one. Teachers, doctors, dentists for example can't work from home.

You don't think it's reasonable player's work colleagues have issues with them travelling to certain counties to play games and coming back in to work alongside them?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 19, 2020, 05:54:20 PM
Looks like Level 4.87 for the next six weeks
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on October 19, 2020, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example

Why would office workers not be WFH?

So you can't think of anyone who has to work in an office and can't work from home? Not one. Teachers, doctors, dentists for example can't work from home.

You don't think it's reasonable player's work colleagues have issues with them travelling to certain counties to play games and coming back in to work alongside them?

Not at all reasonable if the county they are travelling to to play games has half the current Covid rate of another county to which many Leitrim commute daily.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example

Why would office workers not be WFH?

So you can't think of anyone who has to work in an office and can't work from home? Not one. Teachers, doctors, dentists for example can't work from home.

You don't think it's reasonable player's work colleagues have issues with them travelling to certain counties to play games and coming back in to work alongside them?

Teachers, doctors and dentists don't work in offices.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 19, 2020, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Cancelling the Championship and making the league null and void is the only option now.

(With vested interests)

Highly unlikely with 1 game to play but no doubt plenty in a situation like Tyrone will want the league null and voided
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: sid waddell on October 19, 2020, 06:06:18 PM
Championship should be cancelled and Liverpool declared champions
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 19, 2020, 07:06:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 05:25:02 PM
Basically the Govt have bottled that decision and left it squarely at the GAA door.

The Govt would be going on the advice of the medical experts. If in NPHET latest letter said its ok to allow sports behind closed doors at level 5 they have gone with that advice.

Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 19, 2020, 08:11:46 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 19, 2020, 07:06:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 05:25:02 PM
Basically the Govt have bottled that decision and left it squarely at the GAA door.

The Govt would be going on the advice of the medical experts. If in NPHET latest letter said its ok to allow sports behind closed doors at level 5 they have gone with that advice.

This is true. NPHET haven't asked for sports to be closed down and of course while schools remain open the "lockdown" isn't really at April dimensions.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example

Why would office workers not be WFH?

So you can't think of anyone who has to work in an office and can't work from home? Not one. Teachers, doctors, dentists for example can't work from home.

You don't think it's reasonable player's work colleagues have issues with them travelling to certain counties to play games and coming back in to work alongside them?

Teachers, doctors and dentists don't work in offices.

Don't they? What type of doctors do you visit or do you just ignore them and go straight to the emergency room in hospitals?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on October 19, 2020, 09:51:18 PM
Level 5 states tonight on gov.ie

professional, elite sports and inter-county Gaelic games, horse-racing and greyhound racing are permitted to continue behind closed doors
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Lazer on October 20, 2020, 01:07:18 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: Lazer on October 19, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Because they would have to pay them..

You can't tell someone who isn't required or even requested to self isolate by government legislation not to come into work and not pay them!

I wonder if it just because the game was over the border or because they were playing a game and therefore in contact with 30+ people?? We will see what will happen with next weeks game,

Cases in Newry, Mourne and Down are hovering around 300 per 100k, plenty of Parts of the South have just as many cases despite lower testing figures.

The Down manager has said they would played the fixture elsewhere if they had been asked.

People are supposed to be socially distancing. All the boss has to do is offer a choice if you play you can't come into work for 2 weeks. I doubt any court is going to prosecute anyone for that

However - Intercounty is recogniised as an Elite Sport and therefore exempt from extreme social distancing requirements - (just as people who use family for childminding, or provide care to the vulnerable etc, are also exempt from some of the rules)

No employer can realistically control what you are allowed to do outside of work, if you do something which requires you to isolate as per the rules, then yes, your employer can request you don't come into work and you don't get paid, but if you have no requirement to isolate and they aren't letting you work - then essentially if they didn't pay you its unlawful.

I wonder if (assuming this story is true) the Leitrim playing had a elderly parent living in Newry would the employer tell them they cannot come to work if they go to provide care for them at weekends.

I think the whole aspect of a game not being postponed due to Covid is nonsense - makes a mockery of the competition if not all the games are played!
Imaging winning the All Ireland Final because the other county can't fulfil the fixture!
The insistence that the championship goes ahead as scheduled is imo unworkable



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Itchy on October 20, 2020, 02:08:44 PM
Question.

GAA underage training can continue in pods of 15.

What if a kid lives more than 5km away from the pitch
What if the coach lives more than 5km away from the pitch

Anyone know are they exempt from the 5km restriction if on their way to training?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: DuffleKing on October 20, 2020, 03:46:35 PM

GAA underage training can't continue collectively
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 20, 2020, 05:23:29 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 20, 2020, 03:46:35 PM

GAA underage training can't continue collectively

In the 26 counties it can, in pods of < 15.

I imagine that kids could go to training even if more than 5km, just as they could go to school if more than 5km. The 5km is a bit more variable in the countryside where things are further away.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Saffrongael on October 20, 2020, 06:11:09 PM
An Antrim player that travelled to Tullamore at weekend to play Kerry in Div 2 final has tested positive
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: burdizzo on October 20, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 20, 2020, 02:08:44 PM
Question.

GAA underage training can continue in pods of 15.

What if a kid lives more than 5km away from the pitch
What if the coach lives more than 5km away from the pitch

Anyone know are they exempt from the 5km restriction if on their way to training?

Laois GAA has just announced the suspension of all activity, and all outstanding games will be played in early 2021.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 21, 2020, 09:35:20 AM
Looks like underage isn't going ahead for the next 6 weeks.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 21, 2020, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 20, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 20, 2020, 02:08:44 PM
Question.

GAA underage training can continue in pods of 15.

What if a kid lives more than 5km away from the pitch
What if the coach lives more than 5km away from the pitch

Anyone know are they exempt from the 5km restriction if on their way to training?

Laois GAA has just announced the suspension of all activity, and all outstanding games will be played in early 2021.

Every other county should come out and do the same in my opinion.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: This Years Model on October 21, 2020, 09:58:54 AM
A statement from the Department of Sport, Arts and Culture has said that any decision on whether underage championship games can continue during new Level 5 Covid-19 restrictions "is still being clarified".

From 9.30 this morning.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: five points on October 21, 2020, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 21, 2020, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 20, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 20, 2020, 02:08:44 PM
Question.

GAA underage training can continue in pods of 15.

What if a kid lives more than 5km away from the pitch
What if the coach lives more than 5km away from the pitch

Anyone know are they exempt from the 5km restriction if on their way to training?

Laois GAA has just announced the suspension of all activity, and all outstanding games will be played in early 2021.

Every other county should come out and do the same in my opinion.

Cavan did that over a fortnight ago. There is no indication as to when activity will restart.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 21, 2020, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: This Years Model on October 21, 2020, 09:58:54 AM
A statement from the Department of Sport, Arts and Culture has said that any decision on whether underage championship games can continue during new Level 5 Covid-19 restrictions "is still being clarified".

From 9.30 this morning.

Glaway just been told U20s is off
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: screenexile on October 22, 2020, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 14, 2020, 12:48:11 PM
So the North have said

"No kind of organised contact sport involving households mixing outside the elite level"

I presume this covers the GAA.

Does this mean no training?? As usual sweet FA communication from Ulster GAA or from any of the 6 Counties on it!!

Just the week for them to clarify... nice one!!
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Solo_run on October 23, 2020, 02:45:34 PM
Antrim camogie team have been ordered to play their game in Monaghan, giving up home advantage against Carlow.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on October 23, 2020, 04:31:14 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1023/1173530-gaa-and-gpa-agree-new-covid-19-measures/
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 23, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 23, 2020, 04:31:14 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1023/1173530-gaa-and-gpa-agree-new-covid-19-measures/
The 24% of players what was only happy to proceed if Covid-19 protocols improved should be pleased now.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Hound on October 23, 2020, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 23, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 23, 2020, 04:31:14 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1023/1173530-gaa-and-gpa-agree-new-covid-19-measures/
The 24% of players what was only happy to proceed if Covid-19 protocols improved should be pleased now.
And rightly so. Well done to the GPA.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on October 27, 2020, 06:16:23 PM
Conor McKenna  remarks
" I think there's talk of getting tested this week before the championship but protocols are in place and they are working so far. I've no symptoms at the moment so don't see the point (in being tested). We are just going off what the doctor and GAA are saying and the protocols in place and if they say we need tested we'll get tested."

The Tyrone  interpretation of the GAA protocol is to get tested only if the player has symptoms?  Is this the GAA protocol?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 27, 2020, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 27, 2020, 06:16:23 PM
Conor McKenna  remarks
" I think there's talk of getting tested this week before the championship but protocols are in place and they are working so far. I've no symptoms at the moment so don't see the point (in being tested). We are just going off what the doctor and GAA are saying and the protocols in place and if they say we need tested we'll get tested."

The Tyrone  interpretation of the GAA protocol is to get tested only if the player has symptoms?  Is this the GAA protocol?

Bizarrely, it was the GAA protocol, but the GPA "deal" last week may have changed this.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Main Street on October 27, 2020, 09:24:37 PM
Talk about skating on thin ice. No wonder so many players wanted more serious procedures to be implemented.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 09:26:08 PM
You can get tests if you ask for them though :( Hasn't been handled well.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on October 27, 2020, 09:37:45 PM
Pretty obvious Tyrone want to avoid tests at all costs. Why would they take the chance 3/4 players come back positive assymtomatic . I thought the most sensible thing to do would be to test all the players. That doesn't help get results though and u can see why some teams will avoid the testing. Quite the opposite in pro sport where tests are seen as mandatory to allow the games to go ahead. I see Derry city have had to isolate the whole team and staff for 14 days.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 27, 2020, 11:20:21 PM
Dungarvin stripped of JFC title
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: The Trap on October 27, 2020, 11:31:28 PM
Not the only team who played a player in a final who should have been isolating....
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: LCohen on October 27, 2020, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 27, 2020, 11:31:28 PM
Not the only team who played a player in a final who should have been isolating....

A pointless post unless you are going to name names
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:56:39 PM
I'd say a lot of clubs had players, whom unwittingly played that may have been expected to isolate had they known, the very nature of this virus means that many didn't have symptoms and therefore played, also a lot may not have owned up to friends or teammates.



Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 28, 2020, 12:27:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:56:39 PM
I'd say a lot of clubs had players, whom unwittingly played that may have been expected to isolate had they known, the very nature of this virus means that many didn't have symptoms and therefore played, also a lot may not have owned up to friends or teammates.

But they knew full well and made a decision at committee level to risk it.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: balladmaker on October 28, 2020, 01:23:13 AM
With Covid being widespread and most likely much greater than the current limited testing suggests, I reckon most county panels will have +ve cases at any given time.  If Tyrone, as just a current example, had the whole panel tested now, they wouldn't be playing Donegal on Sunday.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2020, 07:45:47 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 28, 2020, 12:27:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:56:39 PM
I'd say a lot of clubs had players, whom unwittingly played that may have been expected to isolate had they known, the very nature of this virus means that many didn't have symptoms and therefore played, also a lot may not have owned up to friends or teammates.

But they knew full well and made a decision at committee level to risk it.

I wasn't being specific I'm talking I'm general, any club that knew or player then they've no excuse. I've no problem with that.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on October 28, 2020, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example

Why would office workers not be WFH?

So you can't think of anyone who has to work in an office and can't work from home? Not one. Teachers, doctors, dentists for example can't work from home.

You don't think it's reasonable player's work colleagues have issues with them travelling to certain counties to play games and coming back in to work alongside them?

Teachers, doctors and dentists don't work in offices.

Don't they? What type of doctors do you visit or do you just ignore them and go straight to the emergency room in hospitals?

Teachers work in schools.

Dentists work in practices.

Doctors work in hospitals and practices.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: armaghniac on October 28, 2020, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:56:39 PM
I'd say a lot of clubs had players, whom unwittingly played that may have been expected to isolate had they known, the very nature of this virus means that many didn't have symptoms and therefore played, also a lot may not have owned up to friends or teammates.

You can't meaningfully call someone a friend if they have an infectious disease and they don't tell you.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on October 28, 2020, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 28, 2020, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 19, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: AhFeckRef on October 19, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Wondering how the other elete teams who travelled north last weekend worked around this scenario :

QuoteThe Leitrim chairman also revealed that some members of the team were unable to travel as they were told by their employers that they would have to quarantine for 14 days if they crossed the border: "There were some others told by their work that if they had played in Newry, they would have to stay away from work for two weeks. That's awful to put young fellows under pressure to that extent but that happened and that was disappointing."

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html (https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/582092/leitrim-gaa-county-board-chairman-defends-decision-to-concede-down-game.html)

I don't believe that at all. What line of work would do that?

Why wouldn't it happen? If you are working in an office with several others they or the manager could easily have a problem with it for example

Why would office workers not be WFH?

So you can't think of anyone who has to work in an office and can't work from home? Not one. Teachers, doctors, dentists for example can't work from home.

You don't think it's reasonable player's work colleagues have issues with them travelling to certain counties to play games and coming back in to work alongside them?

Teachers, doctors and dentists don't work in offices.

Don't they? What type of doctors do you visit or do you just ignore them and go straight to the emergency room in hospitals?

Teachers work in schools.

Dentists work in practices.

Doctors work in hospitals and practices.

Took you days to come up with those pearls of wisdom. None of those share offices with colleagues in your experience?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: the goal was on on October 31, 2020, 02:09:12 PM
Like injuries in championship week COVID has suddenly disappeared ! Monaghan using changing rooms! Surely if they get a case this week that will rule most of team out on close contact rule?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: restorepride on October 31, 2020, 10:51:18 PM
You'll never catch Angelo catching Covid. 
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: From the Bunker on November 01, 2020, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours

129 per team? Did that include players/subs/squad?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 01, 2020, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours

129 per team? Did that include players/subs/squad?

Includes teams, stewards, media etc who were all essential apparently
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on November 01, 2020, 04:20:17 PM
258 people in giant big f**king outdoor space.

There is nothing to see here. Move on.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 01, 2020, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours

129 per team? Did that include players/subs/squad?
94 from RTÉ it seems?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 01, 2020, 04:20:17 PM
258 people in giant big f**king outdoor space.

There is nothing to see here. Move on.

The rules say 200. If the IRFU can follow it why can't the GAA. Why bother with social distancing at all then? Who cares what the medical experts think.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on November 01, 2020, 07:27:41 PM
Where are you digging these numbers out of Dublin7?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:28:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 01, 2020, 07:27:41 PM
Where are you digging these numbers out of Dublin7?

It was in yesterday's Irish Independent.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 02, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 01, 2020, 04:20:17 PM
258 people in giant big f**king outdoor space.

There is nothing to see here. Move on.

Plenty to see here
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 02, 2020, 04:51:49 PM
John Horan

The 2021 inter-county season will start at a later date than the customary January, though details won't be ironed out until later in the year.

"We are looking at our plans for next year at the moment. I can assure everybody that we will not be starting back at the end of January as is the norm, but it would be our intention to come out with a programme later on in the year."
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on November 02, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
Can inter county last for years without crowds ? I would of thought not .
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2020, 06:35:37 PM
Would HAVE >:(
The public purse (26 Cos) will have to come to the rescue for 1 more year I suppose.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: thewobbler on November 02, 2020, 06:44:09 PM
Unless I've been drinking too much again, there is no way on earth that it costs £15m to stage the AI Championships. Football is only 31 games, the vast majority of them local derbies.

My back of a cigarette pack figures are that tv money would easily cover the costs of putting on these games without spectators.

—-

So the grant money isn't to run the championships.

Instead it's to replace the shortfall in profits that the GAA generates from the championship and then redistributes around the association.

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While turkeys don't vote for Christmas, do expect a pile of redundancies, a pro-rata reduction in GPA funding, a pause on international funding, and the cessation of marketing and technology initiatives in 2021. Oh and that casement gets stalled for the foreseeable.

But the championship won't be affected. Only a truly crazy bastard would close the shop window when it's allowed to be open.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2020, 07:22:55 PM
Isn't the €15m to go to Football, hurling, ladies football and Camogie a lot of which will go on players expenses from 14th September.
Co Boards have no income to pay those this year.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: larryin89 on November 02, 2020, 07:35:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2020, 07:22:55 PM
Isn't the €15m to go to Football, hurling, ladies football and Camogie a lot of which will go on players expenses from 14th September.
Co Boards have no income to pay those this year.

This is the crux of my point , how can county teams be funded with no crowds , limited fundraising, no season tickets , etc etc . govt money won't come in year after year as we head into serious poverty issues and quite frankly I wouldn't agree they should . Some very harsh times ahead , extremely depressing times
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours

TBF.

What harm is 200 people spread out in a 15k stadium in the outdoors with a lot wearing masks?
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: restorepride on November 02, 2020, 11:05:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours

TBF.

What harm is 200 people spread out in a 15k stadium in the outdoors with a lot wearing masks?
Very little if they travelled in 200 cars.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Blowitupref on November 03, 2020, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 02, 2020, 06:44:09 PM
Unless I've been drinking too much again, there is no way on earth that it costs £15m to stage the AI Championships. Football is only 31 games, the vast majority of them local derbies.

My back of a cigarette pack figures are that tv money would easily cover the costs of putting on these games without spectators.

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So the grant money isn't to run the championships.

Instead it's to replace the shortfall in profits that the GAA generates from the championship and then redistributes around the association.

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While turkeys don't vote for Christmas, do expect a pile of redundancies, a pro-rata reduction in GPA funding, a pause on international funding, and the cessation of marketing and technology initiatives in 2021. Oh and that casement gets stalled for the foreseeable.

But the championship won't be affected. Only a truly crazy bastard would close the shop window when it's allowed to be open.

Gate Receipts for the football and hurling All Ireland championships last year was close to 29 million.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
Did that figure include the Provincials?
Connacht would have grossed around €1.25m this year and no doubt also get a share of the media and sponsorship €.
Then there's the losses suffered by the 32 County Boards on their Club Chamoionships e.g Galway c€1m.

The extra €15.795m announced yesterday -
€9m GAA (HQ presumably)
€5m Clubs - every club to get a few € ?
€1m LGFA
€ 795k Camogie
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2020, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours

TBF.

What harm is 200 people spread out in a 15k stadium in the outdoors with a lot wearing masks?

None. But if 258 were there the GAA are still playing fast and loose despite all that came before
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: imtommygunn on November 03, 2020, 12:15:22 PM
Seven cases in the sligo squad.
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: twohands!!! on November 03, 2020, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 03, 2020, 12:15:22 PM
Seven cases in the sligo squad.

There were also a few more who were awaiting tests back according to the Sligo GAA statement.

There were also more who were deemed close contacts.

QuoteSligo GAA wish to confirm that a number of members of the Sligo football panel have unfortunately returned a positive Covid-19 test.

The players in question are currently in isolation and following HSE guideline as are a number of close contacts.

The players are doing well. A number of the squad are currently awaiting further test results.

Sligo GAA are currently liaising with GAA officials at Croke Park and Connacht GAA.

http://sligogaa.ie/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleid=39688
Title: Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2020, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2020, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
258 people at the Clare v Limerick game in Ennis last week. GAA claim they were all essential. They really are doing themselves no favours

TBF.

What harm is 200 people spread out in a 15k stadium in the outdoors with a lot wearing masks?

None. But if 258 were there the GAA are still playing fast and loose despite all that came before

Fast and loose in a 15k stadium!