Colm O'Rourke's need for a 'socialist' GAA

[Rossfan]

What's the Nationalist/Catholic population of Co Down?

[mrhardyannual]

Down has a population of 550k making it the fourth most populated county in the country. In the assembly elections North Down was predominanly unionist while South Down broke 2:1 in favour of Rep/Nats. Just going on that you could assume a minimum of 25-30% Nationalist mostly in the South Down area.

[Give and Go]

O'Rourke hit the nail on the head. Duffy and O'Feargail have taken the association down a slippery slope and shown no leadership in preserving the ethos of the Gaa. Grassroots club people feel alienated and despite their empty soundbites about clubs being the lifeblood, all the big decisions appear to be gauged on commercial revenue and promoting the 'product'. We are all treated as mere consumers and you have to wonder where it is all going to end.

In tiers?

[sid waddell]

the most important link in any club is between school and club, and every club in Dublin seems to have a full time person in charge of that and driving coaching standards in the club

Dublin schools have a very poor record in provincial and national competitions.

No Dublin school has won the Hogan Cup since 1959 and no Dublin school has reached the final of it since 1998. Before that it was 1986.

Schools are not a big driver of Dublin's success at all.

County youth development squads are but even then Dublin have only won one All-Ireland at minor grade since 1984.

U-21 level is where Dublin have stolen a big march on other counties over the last 10 years or so.

But population base, organisation, exchange of information, working with third level colleges and having access to good facilities and expertise is not part of some overarching "capitalist agenda".

It's merely getting your house in order to make use of your natural advantages.

primary schools
getting paid coaches into almost EVERY primary school has maximised playing numbers in every club across Dublin

I never mentioned secondary schools

Primary schools have sod all to do with the success of the Dublin senior team or Dublin GAA in general.

I find it incredible how people would moan about any club maximising playing numbers.

This thread started off as rant about a "capitalist agenda", yet now it's turned into an argument about the unfairness to other counties of Dublin clubs attracting children to play GAA?

[armaghniac]

Everyone supports getting children un Dublin schools to play GAA. It is the aggregate effect of so many schools on club and county competitions that we are worried about. As you well know.

[sid waddell]

Everyone supports getting children un Dublin schools to play GAA. It is the aggregate effect of so many schools on club and county competitions that we are worried about. As you well know.

This sentence doesn't make any sense.

[seafoid]

Everyone supports getting children un Dublin schools to play GAA. It is the aggregate effect of so many schools on club and county competitions that we are worried about. As you well know.

This sentence doesn't make any sense.

I read it and understood it, Sid. Put on your monocle. 

[sid waddell]

Everyone supports getting children un Dublin schools to play GAA. It is the aggregate effect of so many schools on club and county competitions that we are worried about. As you well know.

This sentence doesn't make any sense.

I read it and understood it, Sid. Put on your monocle.

The only reading I can get from it is that armaghniac suggests the way to make club and county GAA competitions more competitive is to lessen the number of schools in Dublin.

I don't think that would be a good idea, for all sorts of reasons.

[seafoid]

I think Dublin getting organised in the fuball is a bit like if England got organised in the rugby. A representative sport with imbalanced populations is very tricky.

[Main Street]

Everyone supports getting children un Dublin schools to play GAA. It is the aggregate effect of so many schools on club and county competitions that we are worried about. As you well know.

This sentence doesn't make any sense.

I read it and understood it, Sid. Put on your monocle.

The only reading I can get from it is that armaghniac suggests the way to make club and county GAA competitions more competitive is to lessen the number of schools in Dublin.

I don't think that would be a good idea, for all sorts of reasons.

That's not a reading, that's surmising, on the manic side of.
Playing the buffoon or not, it's still buffoonery. 

[armaghniac]

Everyone supports getting children un Dublin schools to play GAA. It is the aggregate effect of so many schools on club and county competitions that we are worried about. As you well know.

This sentence doesn't make any sense.

I read it and understood it, Sid. Put on your monocle.

The only reading I can get from it is that armaghniac suggests the way to make club and county GAA competitions more competitive is to lessen the number of schools in Dublin.

I don't think that would be a good idea, for all sorts of reasons.

Don't be pretending to be thick. If there is a club for every 2 schools or so and if 50 or so of these clubs are gathered into a county, then there isn't a problem.

[Dave like the tv channel]

I think Dublin getting organised in the fuball is a bit like if England got organised in the rugby. A representative sport with imbalanced populations is very tricky.

Except Rugby is a professional game. The GAA was built on an amateur ethos and while some counties have flirted with professionalism here and there, Dublin

To read some posters say money has nothing to do with it is idiotic and galling. It has a 'let them eat cake' feel to the whole thing. Dublin clubs have GDOs coming out their arses. They pay half the wage and the CB (funded by the GAA ie us) pay the other half.

"The club pays the other half"....St Vincents have a membership of 25,000 or so, which is a little less than the population of Leitrim. Dublin posters act like money had nothing to do with this and that this is because of the "plan". If that was the case, pull the funding now across the board and see where Dublin drift to.

The GAA money started rolling in back about 12-15 years ago. Where were Dublin then? Nowhere. Could barely compete in Leinster ffs. Now they're heading for 8 in a row in Leinster and 3 in a row All Irelands. But money had nothing to do with it.

I know a sizeable club in Meath who has just set about becoming the first Meath club with a GDO. Meath CB refused to look after the other half. I suppose they reckoned they'd soon be looking at a wage bill of €500k-1m if they went down that road.

Posters asking what should be done? Stop funding Dublin. Let them carry their out their great plan without the GAA/sports council money. Start looking at lower level counties and where they are at in terms of football & hurling. Start funding them in an inversely proportional manner to their standing. I'm sure some genius could come up with a logarithm to do the calc.

Dublin have bought their All Ireland titles the same way as Man City have bought their Premiership titles. These period of the GAA could be looked back on as a folly - like the architectural follies you see about, built by men with too much money with a flawed idea on what they wanted. It strikes me too, that the GAA may have painted themselves into a corner. When you have John Costello deciding that the Dublin funding won't stop, things are in a bad place.

[TheGreatest]

I think Dublin getting organised in the fuball is a bit like if England got organised in the rugby. A representative sport with imbalanced populations is very tricky.

Except Rugby is a professional game. The GAA was built on an amateur ethos and while some counties have flirted with professionalism here and there, Dublin

To read some posters say money has nothing to do with it is idiotic and galling. It has a 'let them eat cake' feel to the whole thing. Dublin clubs have GDOs coming out their arses. They pay half the wage and the CB (funded by the GAA ie us) pay the other half.

"The club pays the other half"....St Vincents have a membership of 25,000 or so, which is a little less than the population of Leitrim. Dublin posters act like money had nothing to do with this and that this is because of the "plan". If that was the case, pull the funding now across the board and see where Dublin drift to.

The GAA money started rolling in back about 12-15 years ago. Where were Dublin then? Nowhere. Could barely compete in Leinster ffs. Now they're heading for 8 in a row in Leinster and 3 in a row All Irelands. But money had nothing to do with it.

I know a sizeable club in Meath who has just set about becoming the first Meath club with a GDO. Meath CB refused to look after the other half. I suppose they reckoned they'd soon be looking at a wage bill of €500k-1m if they went down that road.

Posters asking what should be done? Stop funding Dublin. Let them carry their out their great plan without the GAA/sports council money. Start looking at lower level counties and where they are at in terms of football & hurling. Start funding them in an inversely proportional manner to their standing. I'm sure some genius could come up with a logarithm to do the calc.

Dublin have bought their All Ireland titles the same way as Man City have bought their Premiership titles. These period of the GAA could be looked back on as a folly - like the architectural follies you see about, built by men with too much money with a flawed idea on what they wanted. It strikes me too, that the GAA may have painted themselves into a corner. When you have John Costello deciding that the Dublin funding won't stop, things are in a bad place.

Wasn't going to comment on this Dub bashing thread as there are dozens of Dublin hate threads on this forum, but Vincent's does not have 25,000 members. That is the craziest figure I have seen on this board, from the Ewan McKenna school of maths.

How do I know, because I am heavily involved.

As for your other comments just rubbish mate and your posting here under a different user name but we know who you are.

[Lar Naparka]

I think Dublin getting organised in the fuball is a bit like if England got organised in the rugby. A representative sport with imbalanced populations is very tricky.

Except Rugby is a professional game. The GAA was built on an amateur ethos and while some counties have flirted with professionalism here and there, Dublin

To read some posters say money has nothing to do with it is idiotic and galling. It has a 'let them eat cake' feel to the whole thing. Dublin clubs have GDOs coming out their arses. They pay half the wage and the CB (funded by the GAA ie us) pay the other half.

"The club pays the other half"....St Vincents have a membership of 25,000 or so, which is a little less than the population of Leitrim. Dublin posters act like money had nothing to do with this and that this is because of the "plan". If that was the case, pull the funding now across the board and see where Dublin drift to.

The GAA money started rolling in back about 12-15 years ago. Where were Dublin then? Nowhere. Could barely compete in Leinster ffs. Now they're heading for 8 in a row in Leinster and 3 in a row All Irelands. But money had nothing to do with it.

I know a sizeable club in Meath who has just set about becoming the first Meath club with a GDO. Meath CB refused to look after the other half. I suppose they reckoned they'd soon be looking at a wage bill of €500k-1m if they went down that road.

Posters asking what should be done? Stop funding Dublin. Let them carry their out their great plan without the GAA/sports council money. Start looking at lower level counties and where they are at in terms of football & hurling. Start funding them in an inversely proportional manner to their standing. I'm sure some genius could come up with a logarithm to do the calc.

Dublin have bought their All Ireland titles the same way as Man City have bought their Premiership titles. These period of the GAA could be looked back on as a folly - like the architectural follies you see about, built by men with too much money with a flawed idea on what they wanted. It strikes me too, that the GAA may have painted themselves into a corner. When you have John Costello deciding that the Dublin funding won't stop, things are in a bad place.

Wasn't going to comment on this Dub bashing thread as there are dozens of Dublin hate threads on this forum, but Vincent's does not have 25,000 members. That is the craziest figure I have seen on this board, from the Ewan McKenna school of maths.

How do I know, because I am heavily involved.

As for your other comments just rubbish mate and your posting here under a different user name but we know who you are.

And so are you mate. You were on here last year as The Aristocrat and I dunno the reason for your reincarnation under another username. The pity is and was that you can be a capable debater and an insightful pundit until you start to lose the plot and resort to smart ass comments and generally puerile behaviour.
I also have contacts in Vincents and I know the club has a membership of 971, at the last count.

[TheGreatest]

I think Dublin getting organised in the fuball is a bit like if England got organised in the rugby. A representative sport with imbalanced populations is very tricky.

Except Rugby is a professional game. The GAA was built on an amateur ethos and while some counties have flirted with professionalism here and there, Dublin

To read some posters say money has nothing to do with it is idiotic and galling. It has a 'let them eat cake' feel to the whole thing. Dublin clubs have GDOs coming out their arses. They pay half the wage and the CB (funded by the GAA ie us) pay the other half.

"The club pays the other half"....St Vincents have a membership of 25,000 or so, which is a little less than the population of Leitrim. Dublin posters act like money had nothing to do with this and that this is because of the "plan". If that was the case, pull the funding now across the board and see where Dublin drift to.

The GAA money started rolling in back about 12-15 years ago. Where were Dublin then? Nowhere. Could barely compete in Leinster ffs. Now they're heading for 8 in a row in Leinster and 3 in a row All Irelands. But money had nothing to do with it.

I know a sizeable club in Meath who has just set about becoming the first Meath club with a GDO. Meath CB refused to look after the other half. I suppose they reckoned they'd soon be looking at a wage bill of €500k-1m if they went down that road.

Posters asking what should be done? Stop funding Dublin. Let them carry their out their great plan without the GAA/sports council money. Start looking at lower level counties and where they are at in terms of football & hurling. Start funding them in an inversely proportional manner to their standing. I'm sure some genius could come up with a logarithm to do the calc.

Dublin have bought their All Ireland titles the same way as Man City have bought their Premiership titles. These period of the GAA could be looked back on as a folly - like the architectural follies you see about, built by men with too much money with a flawed idea on what they wanted. It strikes me too, that the GAA may have painted themselves into a corner. When you have John Costello deciding that the Dublin funding won't stop, things are in a bad place.

Wasn't going to comment on this Dub bashing thread as there are dozens of Dublin hate threads on this forum, but Vincent's does not have 25,000 members. That is the craziest figure I have seen on this board, from the Ewan McKenna school of maths.

How do I know, because I am heavily involved.

As for your other comments just rubbish mate and your posting here under a different user name but we know who you are.

And so are you mate. You were on here last year as The Aristocrat and I dunno the reason for your reincarnation under another username. The pity is and was that you can be a capable debater and an insightful pundit until you start to lose the plot and resort to smart ass comments and generally puerile behaviour.
I also have contacts in Vincents and I know the club has a membership of 971, at the last count.

I'm just the voice for those who have none. Its difficult to debate with people who use hate over reason and logic and who write like that themselves. Lots of smart ass comments on this forums and cheap digs....