Tyrone players reject austerity measures

[seafoid]

heffo, does the money make no difference then?

Well Kildare couldn't make it count yet the Nordies did.

So maybe in general you need once in a generation footballers, top class volunteer structures and a little spice of funding on top.

The Troubles and previously the establishment of NI got in the way of the Northern counties winning all Irelands. Kildare haven't won Sam since 1928 so have psychological issues that Throne didn't have .

[T Fearon]

Funny that, as Down won three All Irelands in the 1960s,when discrimination was rife

[Il Bomber Destro]

Funny that, as Down won three All Irelands in the 1960s,when discrimination was rife

Funny that Down weren't really that active in the troubles.

[seafoid]

Funny that, as Down won three All Irelands in the 1960s,when discrimination was rife

They were part of the changes of the 60s that led to the Troubles. If there had been no violence I think Armagh, Derry and Tyrone  would have won an All Ireland a few decades earlier

Galway,  Meath and Down really opened things up in the 1960s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDzueyAM3Fo

[ONeill]

The Tyrone players have a point but also their CB have a point, this isn't a Tyrone problem this is a GAA problem, created by themselves. It nearly killed Kildare GAA trying to keep up, good to see common sense in Tyrone, it will probably cost Tyrone an AI over the next 5 years though.

Agree with this.

[RedHandTom]

Inequality of wealth and the co-relationship to success. Where have we discussed this before? I'm just amused that it took the media so long to get on board when we've been beating this drum, well apart from those that seem to think it's all about natural talent and special players, for the best part of 5 years.

The Tyrone players have a point but also their CB have a point, this isn't a Tyrone problem this is a GAA problem, created by themselves. It nearly killed Kildare GAA trying to keep up, good to see common sense in Tyrone, it will probably cost Tyrone an AI over the next 5 years though.

You're dead right Dinny - the huge British tax payer funded grants to the Ulster council which coincided with the Armagh & Tyrone wins can't have been a coincidence?

Then again Kildare had the most expensive training setup in the country along with the most expensive management team. Plus a centre of excellent. At a time when Dublin were training on a cow field in Inisfails - yet Kildare couldn't win a raffle or hit a barn door with a football from 20 meters. Go figure.

What "grants" did these counties get? Genuinely looking forward to your reply

[Il Bomber Destro]

Inequality of wealth and the co-relationship to success. Where have we discussed this before? I'm just amused that it took the media so long to get on board when we've been beating this drum, well apart from those that seem to think it's all about natural talent and special players, for the best part of 5 years.

The Tyrone players have a point but also their CB have a point, this isn't a Tyrone problem this is a GAA problem, created by themselves. It nearly killed Kildare GAA trying to keep up, good to see common sense in Tyrone, it will probably cost Tyrone an AI over the next 5 years though.

You're dead right Dinny - the huge British tax payer funded grants to the Ulster council which coincided with the Armagh & Tyrone wins can't have been a coincidence?

Then again Kildare had the most expensive training setup in the country along with the most expensive management team. Plus a centre of excellent. At a time when Dublin were training on a cow field in Inisfails - yet Kildare couldn't win a raffle or hit a barn door with a football from 20 meters. Go figure.

What "grants" did these counties get? Genuinely looking forward to your reply

He won't be able to answer you that.

He just puts it out there without any knowledge, in the hope that it will somehow validate the money Dublin's mega grants.

[heffo]

Inequality of wealth and the co-relationship to success. Where have we discussed this before? I'm just amused that it took the media so long to get on board when we've been beating this drum, well apart from those that seem to think it's all about natural talent and special players, for the best part of 5 years.

The Tyrone players have a point but also their CB have a point, this isn't a Tyrone problem this is a GAA problem, created by themselves. It nearly killed Kildare GAA trying to keep up, good to see common sense in Tyrone, it will probably cost Tyrone an AI over the next 5 years though.

You're dead right Dinny - the huge British tax payer funded grants to the Ulster council which coincided with the Armagh & Tyrone wins can't have been a coincidence?

Then again Kildare had the most expensive training setup in the country along with the most expensive management team. Plus a centre of excellent. At a time when Dublin were training on a cow field in Inisfails - yet Kildare couldn't win a raffle or hit a barn door with a football from 20 meters. Go figure.

What "grants" did these counties get? Genuinely looking forward to your reply

He won't be able to answer you that.

He just puts it out there without any knowledge, in the hope that it will somehow validate the money Dublin's mega grants.

It doesn't quite equate with coaching primary school kids, but the 120m is small potatoes - that's 120m on top of the funding they get from the GAA

https://books.google.dk/books?id=eOL4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT125&lpg=PT125&dq=ulster+council+gaa+%2B+british+grants&source=bl&ots=jQj_CiGlk9&sig=fVYc-JVINb1cb7CwSJ6tItUR-1s&hl=da&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiO2JKlirPSAhWDVywKHZt5AL44ChDoAQhLMAY#v=onepage&q=ulster%20council%20gaa%20%2B%20british%20grants&f=false

"In 2005 the Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy threatened to sue the Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure for inequality of funding. Rather than going to court, the British Govt decided to pony up....an estimated 120m in British public money"

[SG08]

Inequality of wealth and the co-relationship to success. Where have we discussed this before? I'm just amused that it took the media so long to get on board when we've been beating this drum, well apart from those that seem to think it's all about natural talent and special players, for the best part of 5 years.

The Tyrone players have a point but also their CB have a point, this isn't a Tyrone problem this is a GAA problem, created by themselves. It nearly killed Kildare GAA trying to keep up, good to see common sense in Tyrone, it will probably cost Tyrone an AI over the next 5 years though.

You're dead right Dinny - the huge British tax payer funded grants to the Ulster council which coincided with the Armagh & Tyrone wins can't have been a coincidence?

Then again Kildare had the most expensive training setup in the country along with the most expensive management team. Plus a centre of excellent. At a time when Dublin were training on a cow field in Inisfails - yet Kildare couldn't win a raffle or hit a barn door with a football from 20 meters. Go figure.

What "grants" did these counties get? Genuinely looking forward to your reply

He won't be able to answer you that.

He just puts it out there without any knowledge, in the hope that it will somehow validate the money Dublin's mega grants.

It doesn't quite equate with coaching primary school kids, but the 120m is small potatoes - that's 120m on top of the funding they get from the GAA

https://books.google.dk/books?id=eOL4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT125&lpg=PT125&dq=ulster+council+gaa+%2B+british+grants&source=bl&ots=jQj_CiGlk9&sig=fVYc-JVINb1cb7CwSJ6tItUR-1s&hl=da&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiO2JKlirPSAhWDVywKHZt5AL44ChDoAQhLMAY#v=onepage&q=ulster%20council%20gaa%20%2B%20british%20grants&f=false

"In 2005 the Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy threatened to sue the Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure for inequality of funding. Rather than going to court, the British Govt decided to pony up....an estimated 120m in British public money"

Since 2005. So after Tyrone had won 2 of their all-irelands (assuming the whole grant wasn't handed over straight away) and Armagh had already won theirs.

I think it might have been more to do with the great players playing for both teams.

[valeman]

I would like to see all this money the British gave to help Armagh win an All Ireland. In the 90s due to Drumcree there were times Armagh couldn't train within the county for safety reasons. In the 2000s they didn't have a county ground to play on. Home championship games were played in Clones. Currently the county training facilities are basic at best. Meanwhile the Dubs get more money from Croke Park than others,  have the best sponsorship and the biggest pick.
I have no doubt that finance is having a major influence. It is more important now than at any time in history.

Yes, it's massive.
Is it true that the St VIncents players all took the week preceding their All Ireland final off work to help prepare? Who could finance that?

There was a video doing the rounds last week ahead of the AI Hurling Semi were the Cuala captain and the SNeil captain are being interviewed. I found it very telling that the SNeil player is talking about a manager and community spirit etc..while the Cuala player references the impact the 'Backs coaches, forwards coaches, management team and backroom team' have had. If ever there was a contrast in the haves and have nots in GAA, that is it. Clubs in Dublin operating with Backs/forwards coaches, management teams and backroom teams while most clubs have a manager(s) and a couple of boys to help with the rigs and water bottles.

[greatpoint]

it will probably cost Tyrone an AI over the next 5 years though.

Won't cost anything if they weren't going to win it in the first place.

[In hiding]

I would like to see all this money the British gave to help Armagh win an All Ireland. In the 90s due to Drumcree there were times Armagh couldn't train within the county for safety reasons. In the 2000s they didn't have a county ground to play on. Home championship games were played in Clones. Currently the county training facilities are basic at best. Meanwhile the Dubs get more money from Croke Park than others,  have the best sponsorship and the biggest pick.
I have no doubt that finance is having a major influence. It is more important now than at any time in history.

Yes, it's massive.
Is it true that the St VIncents players all took the week preceding their All Ireland final off work to help prepare? Who could finance that?

There was a video doing the rounds last week ahead of the AI Hurling Semi were the Cuala captain and the SNeil captain are being interviewed. I found it very telling that the SNeil player is talking about a manager and community spirit etc..while the Cuala player references the impact the 'Backs coaches, forwards coaches, management team and backroom team' have had. If ever there was a contrast in the haves and have nots in GAA, that is it. Clubs in Dublin operating with Backs/forwards coaches, management teams and backroom teams while most clubs have a manager(s) and a couple of boys to help with the rigs and water bottles.

Wouldn't be sure about that Valeman. I'd say slaughtneil are as well resourced as any club in ireland. I'd guess their facilities are better than cuala's. This community spirit thing is great but if it is the reason behind slaughtneil's success then where has it been hiding up until 2014

[longballin]

Sean Cavanagh has issued a statement saying Tyrone players well looked after. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing in that squad it seems...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0228/856158-cavanagh-tyrone-expenditure-issue-is-being-addres/

[screenexile]

Sean Cavanagh has issued a statement saying Tyrone players well looked after. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing in that squad it seems...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0228/856158-cavanagh-tyrone-expenditure-issue-is-being-addres/

Bullshit!!

Things like that don't happen in Mickey Harte's changing room there's no way the original media leak hasn't been sanctioned as well as subsequent interviews by Cavanagh and McNamee.

This has power struggle written all over it! The world and his mother know Harte and Roisin Jordan don't pull together and if she's still about come the end of the season and he hasn't won an All Ireland he'll be getting the door!!

Will he be able to oust her?? Interesting stuff!

[In hiding]

Haven't followed this too closely but was the £15 an amount the players had to give towards getting new mobility bands and a foam roller.
Surely every county player (and most club players) in the country have a foam roller already. This looks like the county board are supplimenting any player who wishes to purchase new stuff for themselves. This is beginning to look bad on the players. Looks like Mickey trying to create a siege mentality among the players against his victim of choice at the minute..Rosin Jordan.

But maybe that's all wrong