POT 1: Russia, Germany, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina, Belgium, Poland, France.
POT 2: Spain, Peru, Switzerland, England, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay, Croatia.
POT 3: Denmark, Iceland, Costa Rica, Sweden, Tunisia, Egypt, Senegal, Iran.
POT 4: Serbia, Nigeria, Australia, Japan, Morocco, Panama, South Korea, Saudi Arabia.
No teams from the same confederation, with the exception of UEFA, which could have up to two teams in the same group, will be drawn into the same group.
The Final Draw will take place on Friday 1 December at Moscow's State Kremlin Palace.
Yawn
Will this thread get past 5 pages?
I reckon if everyone that isn't interested takes the time to come in and tell us so, we'll get well above five pages.
I'm looking forward to it already. Belgium should be good craic with Martinez in charge.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 16, 2017, 05:14:36 AM
The Final Draw will take place on Friday 1 December at Moscow's State Kremlin Palace.
- and will be the most interesting part of the whole thing. Except maybe watching whether the Russians bother to rein in their hooligans (https://www.google.ie/search?biw=1600&bih=779&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=El0NWt7iDKSEgAairoDgBg&q=russian+hooligans&oq=russian+hooligans&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i67k1j0l2j0i67k1j0j0i7i30k1l2j0i5i30k1j0i30k1.3937.3937.0.6844.1.1.0.0.0.0.92.92.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.91....0.XKyAEoWH1F4) or just decide to let them at it (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/russia-fan-violence-russian-official-tells-hooligans-well-done-lads-keep-it-up-after-condoning-euro-a7079861.html) on the visiting fans.
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.
Quote from: Hardy on November 16, 2017, 09:44:40 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 16, 2017, 05:14:36 AM
The Final Draw will take place on Friday 1 December at Moscow's State Kremlin Palace.
- and will be the most interesting part of the whole thing. Except maybe watching whether the Russians bother to rein in their hooligans (https://www.google.ie/search?biw=1600&bih=779&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=El0NWt7iDKSEgAairoDgBg&q=russian+hooligans&oq=russian+hooligans&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i67k1j0l2j0i67k1j0j0i7i30k1l2j0i5i30k1j0i30k1.3937.3937.0.6844.1.1.0.0.0.0.92.92.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.91....0.XKyAEoWH1F4) or just decide to let them at it (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/russia-fan-violence-russian-official-tells-hooligans-well-done-lads-keep-it-up-after-condoning-euro-a7079861.html) on the visiting fans.
Russia v Engerland would be a thing of beauty !!!!!
Quote from: bennydorano on November 16, 2017, 10:11:10 AM
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.
Saudi Arabia And Iran can only meet if they qualify for knockout stages.
Brazil, England, Egypt, Serbia would be a tasty group.
Quote from: ned on November 16, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 16, 2017, 10:11:10 AM
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.
Saudi Arabia And Iran can only meet if they qualify for knockout stages.
Why's that?
Edit - Scrub that, presumably in same qualifying group.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 16, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: ned on November 16, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 16, 2017, 10:11:10 AM
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.
Saudi Arabia And Iran can only meet if they qualify for knockout stages.
Why's that?
Edit - Scrub that, presumably in same qualifying group.
It's in the original post. Teams from same confederation cant be in same group, except uefa.
Watched the draw there, fcuk that's an awful lot of boring group games and they are going to expand it the next time :o
England drew Belgium, Tunisia and Panama, they couldn't mess that up could they :D
Draw made there. Even though Ireland aren't there, I always love the World Cup.
Group A - Russia, Uruguay, Egypt, Saudi Arabia
Group B - Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran
Group C - France, Australia, Peru, Denmark
Group D - Argentina, Iceland, Nigeria, Croatia
Group E - Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia
Group F - Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea
Group G - Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England
Group H - Poland, Senegal, Colombia, Japan
Portugal and Spain is the stand out group fixture.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 01, 2017, 04:29:56 PM
Portugal and Spain is the stand out group fixture.
Probably is on paper but I suppose it depends on when the game is. If it's the last game and they have both already qualified it could be a dead rubber .England v Belgium also falls into that bracket. A few others have the potential to be good like Argentina V Croatia.
Like every World Cup the real action won't start until the 2nd round.
Have the fixtures been finalised yet?
I actually forgot the draw was on until AZ posted.
Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 04:05:13 PM
Watched the draw there, fcuk that's an awful lot of boring group games and they are going to expand it the next time :o
England drew Belgium, Tunisia and Panama, they couldn't mess that up could they :D
The tournament will miss Holland and Italy. The Dutch would have made some exciting football games in the group stage.
England got a handy group. Belgium will be tough but Panama and Tunisia will be big underdogs in this group.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2017, 04:17:31 PM
Draw made there. Even though Ireland aren't there, I always love the World Cup.
Group A - Russia, Uruguay, Egypt, Saudi Arabia
Group B - Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran
Group C - France, Australia, Peru, Denmark
Group D - Argentina, Iceland, Nigeria, Croatia
Group E - Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia
Group F - Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea
Group G - Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England
Group H - Poland, Senegal, Colombia, Japan
Republic of Ireland group winners Serbia will struggle to get out of that group while the play off winners Denmark should reach the next round.
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
In what way?
Handy draw, no?
Always important for the success of the Tournament that the Host country to stay as long as possible in it. FIFA was stink enough to give Russia the Tournament, why should they stop there.
It's not handy. Egypt are good as are uruguay. Hosts may not make it through i think.
Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 04:05:13 PM
Watched the draw there, fcuk that's an awful lot of boring group games and they are going to expand it the next time :o
England drew Belgium, Tunisia and Panama, they couldn't mess that up could they :D
Hopefully, they can. Early exit, listen to the endless blubbering.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
If they do not make it through......Putin will hold a few Polonium tea parties. That's gonna concentrate minds.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
In what way?
Handy draw, no?
Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.
Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.
Hosts always get a reasonably handy draw due to the fact that they are top seeds.
One of the main reasons why England are hardly ever tested in qualifying campaigns
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
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Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
In what way?
Handy draw, no?
Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.
Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.
Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is
The Hand of God interfering with England at a World Cup again.
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Quote from: Orchard park on December 01, 2017, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
In what way?
Handy draw, no?
Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.
Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.
Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is
And Barca are just running away with La Liga.
I checked his stats in La Liga and it's ten games played, five goals and an assist. Many strikers wish for that to be their bad form.
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
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Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
In what way?
Handy draw, no?
Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.
Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.
Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is
And Barca are just running away with La Liga.
I checked his stats in La Liga and it's ten games played, five goals and an assist. Many strikers wish for that to be their bad form.
Stop relating club form to country form Ffs! Messi being prime example
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Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia's draw?
In what way?
Handy draw, no?
Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.
Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.
Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is
And Barca are just running away with La Liga.
I checked his stats in La Liga and it's ten games played, five goals and an assist. Many strikers wish for that to be their bad form.
Stop relating club form to country form Ffs! Messi being prime example
He almost won a WC with them on his back three years ago.
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn't, they were bate
They wouldn't even be in Russia if it weren't for him in the last game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 11:59:55 PM
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn't, they were bate
Four goals in a WC by a midfielder - how wasn't he dropped!?
You're getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here, Aregetina got to the WC final - that's nothing like saying we almost qualified.
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2017, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 11:59:55 PM
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn't, they were bate
Four goals in a WC by a midfielder - how wasn't he dropped!?
You're getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here, Aregetina got to the WC final - that's nothing like saying we almost qualified.
So you don't think that Messi hasn't underperform at the World Cup finals ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2017, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2017, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 11:59:55 PM
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn't, they were bate
Four goals in a WC by a midfielder - how wasn't he dropped!?
You're getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here, Aregetina got to the WC final - that's nothing like saying we almost qualified.
So you don't think that Messi hasn't underperform at the World Cup finals ?
Not at the one where he dragged Argentina to the final, ffs. I don't know what you're even arguing here.
The Argentine press have been on his back for years about his form during finals, he retired because of it. Missed his spot kick in the last finals he played in South America, retired and came back.
My point is don't relate club form to finals form he's not really set it on fire (like he did for Barca)
Spain 6 Argentina 1 in tonights challenge game.
Currently - zero interest in WC
Early May - I see WC is starting next month must put a bet on
Late May- what no Italy, damn I will just back Germany
Early June - Dips in and out of Group games, hopes England goes well
Late June - Completely hooked, sick of BBC pundits hopes England goes out on penalties to Germany preferably
July - In France for Final hopes France are in it as the buzz in the camp site will be mighty
England final squad announced:
Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)
Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)
Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)
Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)
Edit: Five players have been placed on standby - Tom Heaton (Burnley), James Tarkowski (Burnley), Lewis Cook - who?? (Bournemouth), Jake Livermore (WBA) and Adam Lallana (Liverpool).
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 02:29:21 PM
England final squad announced:
Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)
Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)
Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)
Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)
That's woeful. Especially midfield. Their centre back selection is poor. Smalling is as good as any of the others bar Cahill perhaps. Welbeck very lucky to make that squad.
Would look from that squad selection that he would like to go five at the back.
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 02:29:21 PM
England final squad announced:
Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)
Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)
Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)
Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)
The pretty much confirms the best players in the Premier league are Johnny foreigners.
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 02:29:21 PM
England final squad announced:
Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)
Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)
Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)
Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)
England's worse squad in my living memory. I expect them to do well. Last 8, if not last 4. Pressure will be off them to a certain extent and they may generate some team spirit that they've been lacking. World Cups are won with workman-like, team efforts. It might just suit them. (Probably lose all 3 games and be first team home now I've said that)
A European winner is almost Guaranteed. France or Germany for me.
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 02:29:21 PM
England final squad announced:
Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)
Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)
Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)
Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)
If all the above were on the transfer list, would there be much interest from the likes of Real Madrid or Barcelona? Kane probably.....
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
Is that not 5 at the back Boycey :o
Quote from: Insane Bolt on May 16, 2018, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 02:29:21 PM
England final squad announced:
Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)
Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)
Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)
Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)
If all the above were on the transfer list, would there be much interest from the likes of Real Madrid or Barcelona? Kane probably.....
You could say that about most international squads tbf.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 16, 2018, 03:09:55 PM
Is that not 5 at the back Boycey :o
I'd have called it 5 at the back alright but the current 'in' thing is to call it 3 at the back https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/09/gareth-southgate-back-three-england-world-cup
Quote from: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through). I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure. Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.
In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Young ? Ashley?
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through). I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure. Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.
In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Until they make use of their relatively easy route to the quarter finals where the media will then explode with expectancy before the inevitable capitulation.
Gotze not making the Germany squad isn't surprising given his form since the diagnosis of his muscular disorder. It's a shame as he is very talented.
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through). I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure. Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.
In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Big Sam got £9m for 6 months of work. The EPL is about money, not the game in England.
Until this changes England won't go anywhere in tournaments.
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through). I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure. Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.
In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Big Sam got £9m for 6 months of work. The EPL is about money, not the game in England.
Until this changes England won't go anywhere in tournaments.
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Hasnt done much harm to the Spanish national team though?
Quote from: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
That team looks shaky to me. Surely Walker is a full back? They're very short of CB's to play 5 at the back.....there's only 4 in the squad if I'm right.
Also if anything happens Dier and/or Henderson what's the plan then? Surely Milner should be in the squad at the expense of one of the full backs (TAA probably)? Think they're actually alright the other end. On top of Alli, Kane and Sterling they have Rashford and Lingard. They need to try and get those lads on the pitch. 4-2-3-1 possibly their best chance of using resources properly.
Butland
Trippier/Walker Cahill Jones Rose/Young
Dier Henderson
Sterling Alli/Lingard Rashford
Kane
I've not seen enough of Maguire and I don't rate Stones at all.
Agree with the comments that perversely the worst looking England squad on paper in my memory might actually do well.
Milner is retired from international football.
He is probably the in form English midfielder at the minute too.
Panama in the work draw >:(
That England squad has scored 55 international goals in total. Cristiano Ronaldo has 81, Messi has 61, Neymar has 53 and Lewandowski has 52. It looks like it'll be the only squad with no players from outside its own league.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 16, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
That team looks shaky to me. Surely Walker is a full back? They're very short of CB's to play 5 at the back.....there's only 4 in the squad if I'm right.
Also if anything happens Dier and/or Henderson what's the plan then? Surely Milner should be in the squad at the expense of one of the full backs (TAA probably)? Think they're actually alright the other end. On top of Alli, Kane and Sterling they have Rashford and Lingard. They need to try and get those lads on the pitch. 4-2-3-1 possibly their best chance of using resources properly.
Butland
Trippier/Walker Cahill Jones Rose/Young
Dier Henderson
Sterling Alli/Lingard Rashford
Kane
I've not seen enough of Maguire and I don't rate Stones at all.
Agree with the comments that perversely the worst looking England squad on paper in my memory might actually do well.
Dier can also play center half.
Very light on center mids. In-spite of the injury record I thought Lallana would've been in there. He brings something different.
Can't say I watched a lot of England but haven't they being experimenting Walker and Gomez at the right side of a 3?
Quote from: gawa316 on May 16, 2018, 05:29:35 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 16, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He'll play 3 at the back
Butland
Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier Young :o
Dier - Henderson - Ali
Sterling
Kane
On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they'll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
That team looks shaky to me. Surely Walker is a full back? They're very short of CB's to play 5 at the back.....there's only 4 in the squad if I'm right.
Also if anything happens Dier and/or Henderson what's the plan then? Surely Milner should be in the squad at the expense of one of the full backs (TAA probably)? Think they're actually alright the other end. On top of Alli, Kane and Sterling they have Rashford and Lingard. They need to try and get those lads on the pitch. 4-2-3-1 possibly their best chance of using resources properly.
Butland
Trippier/Walker Cahill Jones Rose/Young
Dier Henderson
Sterling Alli/Lingard Rashford
Kane
I've not seen enough of Maguire and I don't rate Stones at all.
Agree with the comments that perversely the worst looking England squad on paper in my memory might actually do well.
Dier can also play center half.
Very light on center mids. In-spite of the injury record I thought Lallana would've been in there. He brings something different.
Can't say I watched a lot of England but haven't they being experimenting Walker and Gomez at the right side of a 3?
No much better to select a striker who has scored 5 league goals all season, the other teams must be trembling with fear...
Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire
Trippier Henderson Dier Rose
Alli
Sterling Kane
I wouldn't be surprised to see Loftus Cheek start in the first game instead of Alli..
Can't see him starting Walker at centre back. That was an experiment.
Maguire and Stones with Jones or Cahill. Walker will be RWB.
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?
Engerland are so f**ked ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on May 16, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?
Engerland are so f**ked ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?
Pope is ok. Trippier is decent and maguire not too bad. I don't understand why wellbeck is going.
I was hoping hart would go - he's rubbish :D
Still possibly the poorest England squad i think i have seen at a world cup.
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 16, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 16, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?
Engerland are so f**ked ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?
Sounds like a smart-ass mayo man!
Milk would turn quicker than Maguire😜
Quote from: Insane Bolt on May 16, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Milk would turn quicker than Maguire😜
Looks a big old unit Maguire
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 16, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 16, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?
Engerland are so f**ked ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?
Engerland are sooooooo f**ked ;D
Biggest problem i see for England is their manager. How can they seriously do well in the World cup with a manager as average as Gareth Southgate?
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Quote from: SHEEDY on May 16, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 16, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?
Engerland are so f**ked ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?
Engerland are sooooooo f**ked ;D
Might be too soon but Loftus Cheek is going to be a cracking player
France and Germany the two best bets?
Portugal seem to have a strong squad and the Belgium side has plenty of talent.
What sort of shape are Brazil and Argentina in?
Brazil in good form, Argentina a mess and Messi seemingly picking the squad according to Tim Vickery on OTB.
Brazil overall favourites but traditionally the South American teams struggle in Europe with only 2 beaten finalists to their names since Brazil won in Sweden in 1958. If you were offering me a free bet I'd take France with maybe Croatia as a live outsider.
Quote from: Boycey on May 18, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
Brazil overall favourites but traditionally the South American teams struggle in Europe with only 2 beaten finalists to their names since Brazil won in Sweden in 1958. If you were offering me a free bet I'd take France with maybe Croatia as a live outsider.
In fighting going to prevent Belgium making shapes again??
Quote from: johnnycool on May 18, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 18, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
Brazil overall favourites but traditionally the South American teams struggle in Europe with only 2 beaten finalists to their names since Brazil won in Sweden in 1958. If you were offering me a free bet I'd take France with maybe Croatia as a live outsider.
In fighting going to prevent Belgium making shapes again??
Stephen Wallace rumoured to be taking over them.
Belgium always strike me as a talented bunch of individuals but not a great team if that makes sense? But if it does click for them they could go close.
Quote from: Boycey on May 18, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
Belgium always strike me as a talented bunch of individuals but not a great team if that makes sense? But if it does click for them they could go close.
Like the Dutch used to be.
Quote from: Boycey on May 18, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
Belgium always strike me as a talented bunch of individuals but not a great team if that makes sense? But if it does click for them they could go close.
Yeah, always good players but underperform.
Martinez no bad manager but getting them to gel cant be easy.
The players not in the France squad is mental and would push most teams close
52 years of hurt but they come out with a decent song every so often
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaBdajHOsSM
Time to roll out this again, and at least I replaced Yugoslavia with Croatia but I'm so lazy I haven't even checked if they qualified.
Soccer World Cup Squads Announced
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The following squads have been announced for the 2018 World Cup
BRAZILIAN SQUAD for World Cup
Goalkeeper: Pincochio
Sweeper: Libero
Defenders: Vimto, Memento, Borneo, Tango
Midfield: Cheerio, Subbuteo, Scenario, Fellatio
Forwards: Portfolio
Substitutes: Placebo, Porno, Polio, Banjo, Brasso, Stereo (L), Stereo (R), Hydrochlorofluoro, Aristotle
CROATIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Itch
Defenders: Annoyingitch, Hardtoreachitch, Scratchanditch
Midfielders: Hic, Sic, Spic, Pric
Wingers: Digaditch, Fallinaditch
Forwards: Horseraditch
Substitutes: Mowapitch, Letsgetrich, Shagabitch
RUSSIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Whodyanicabolicov
Wing Backs: Ticlycov, Chesticov, Nasticov
Defenders: Slalomsky, Downhilsky
Midfielders: Risky, Swedishskev, Mastershev
Forwards: Fuckov, Taykitov
Substitutes: Rubitov, Gechakitov, Sodov, Pastryshev, Najinsky, Desert Orchid
ROMANIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Chatanoogaciouciou
Wing Backs: Atishiou, Blessiou, Thankyou
Defenders: Busqueue, Snookercu
Midfielders: Pennyciou, Twoapennyciou, Fourapennyciou
Forwards: I'llgetciou, Youandwhosarmi
Substitutes: U, NonU, ManU, Stuffyiou, Lee Kwan Yu
DANISH SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Toomanigoalssen
Defenders: Tryandstopussen, Crapdefenssen, Haveagossen
Midfielders: Firstsson, Secondsson, Thirdsson
Wingers: Legshurtssen, Notroubleseeingussen
Forwards: Wherestheballssen, Getthebeerssen
Substitutes: Howmanygoalsisthatssen, Finallygaveupcountinssen, Hurryupandblowthewhistlessen, YourelatedtoAlexFergusonssen
ITIALIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Baloni
Defenders: Potbelli, Beerbelli, Giveitsumwelli
Midfielders: Wotsontelli, Toonsgotkenni, Onetoomani
Wingers: Legslikejelli, Havabenni
Forwards: Wobblijelli, Spendapenni
Substitutes: Cantthinkofani, Buggermi
MEXICAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: San Francisco
Defenders: Costa Brava, Hopelez, Juan Andonly, Manual Gearbox
Midfielders: Don Criformi-Argentina, Bodegas, Luis Canon, Sombrero
Forwards: Chihuahua, Jose
Substitutes: Jesus Maria Don Key, Burrito, Speedy Gonzalez, Tequila, Caramba
DUTCH SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Kenning Van Hire
Defenders: Van Diemansland, Van der Valk, Van Gard, Van Erealdizeez
Midfielders: Ad Van Tagus, Van Sprokendown, Aye van Hoe
Forwards: Van Coova, Hertz Van Rental, Transit Van Dors
Substitutes: Van Iller, Van Ishincreme, Van Morrison
Who is everyone 'supporting' this time? My two (other) favourites, the Netherlands and Italy haven't made it. Might pick Portugal because of the flag.
Some great names over the years.....always remember Lopez Ufarte😎
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2018, 10:32:25 AM
Time to roll out this again, and at least I replaced Yugoslavia with Croatia but I'm so lazy I haven't even checked if they qualified.
Soccer World Cup Squads Announced
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The following squads have been announced for the 2018 World Cup
BRAZILIAN SQUAD for World Cup
Goalkeeper: Pincochio
Sweeper: Libero
Defenders: Vimto, Memento, Borneo, Tango
Midfield: Cheerio, Subbuteo, Scenario, Fellatio
Forwards: Portfolio
Substitutes: Placebo, Porno, Polio, Banjo, Brasso, Stereo (L), Stereo (R), Hydrochlorofluoro, Aristotle
CROATIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Itch
Defenders: Annoyingitch, Hardtoreachitch, Scratchanditch
Midfielders: Hic, Sic, Spic, Pric
Wingers: Digaditch, Fallinaditch
Forwards: Horseraditch
Substitutes: Mowapitch, Letsgetrich, Shagabitch
RUSSIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Whodyanicabolicov
Wing Backs: Ticlycov, Chesticov, Nasticov
Defenders: Slalomsky, Downhilsky
Midfielders: Risky, Swedishskev, Mastershev
Forwards: Fuckov, Taykitov
Substitutes: Rubitov, Gechakitov, Sodov, Pastryshev, Najinsky, Desert Orchid
ROMANIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Chatanoogaciouciou
Wing Backs: Atishiou, Blessiou, Thankyou
Defenders: Busqueue, Snookercu
Midfielders: Pennyciou, Twoapennyciou, Fourapennyciou
Forwards: I'llgetciou, Youandwhosarmi
Substitutes: U, NonU, ManU, Stuffyiou, Lee Kwan Yu
DANISH SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Toomanigoalssen
Defenders: Tryandstopussen, Crapdefenssen, Haveagossen
Midfielders: Firstsson, Secondsson, Thirdsson
Wingers: Legshurtssen, Notroubleseeingussen
Forwards: Wherestheballssen, Getthebeerssen
Substitutes: Howmanygoalsisthatssen, Finallygaveupcountinssen, Hurryupandblowthewhistlessen, YourelatedtoAlexFergusonssen
ITIALIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Baloni
Defenders: Potbelli, Beerbelli, Giveitsumwelli
Midfielders: Wotsontelli, Toonsgotkenni, Onetoomani
Wingers: Legslikejelli, Havabenni
Forwards: Wobblijelli, Spendapenni
Substitutes: Cantthinkofani, Buggermi
MEXICAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: San Francisco
Defenders: Costa Brava, Hopelez, Juan Andonly, Manual Gearbox
Midfielders: Don Criformi-Argentina, Bodegas, Luis Canon, Sombrero
Forwards: Chihuahua, Jose
Substitutes: Jesus Maria Don Key, Burrito, Speedy Gonzalez, Tequila, Caramba
DUTCH SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Kenning Van Hire
Defenders: Van Diemansland, Van der Valk, Van Gard, Van Erealdizeez
Midfielders: Ad Van Tagus, Van Sprokendown, Aye van Hoe
Forwards: Van Coova, Hertz Van Rental, Transit Van Dors
Substitutes: Van Iller, Van Ishincreme, Van Morrison
I love the addition of Desert Orchid to the Russian subs
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2018, 10:40:35 AM
Who is everyone 'supporting' this time? My two (other) favourites, the Netherlands and Italy haven't made it. Might pick Portugal because of the flag.
Egypt
I'm always an Italian supporter as I am a small bit Italian. Probably will plump with Germany this time. The wee lad is pinning his hopes on Spain. Looking forward to it.
Quote from: seafoid on May 24, 2018, 10:45:26 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2018, 10:32:25 AM
Time to roll out this again, and at least I replaced Yugoslavia with Croatia but I'm so lazy I haven't even checked if they qualified.
Soccer World Cup Squads Announced
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The following squads have been announced for the 2018 World Cup
BRAZILIAN SQUAD for World Cup
Goalkeeper: Pincochio
Sweeper: Libero
Defenders: Vimto, Memento, Borneo, Tango
Midfield: Cheerio, Subbuteo, Scenario, Fellatio
Forwards: Portfolio
Substitutes: Placebo, Porno, Polio, Banjo, Brasso, Stereo (L), Stereo (R), Hydrochlorofluoro, Aristotle
CROATIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Itch
Defenders: Annoyingitch, Hardtoreachitch, Scratchanditch
Midfielders: Hic, Sic, Spic, Pric
Wingers: Digaditch, Fallinaditch
Forwards: Horseraditch
Substitutes: Mowapitch, Letsgetrich, Shagabitch
RUSSIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Whodyanicabolicov
Wing Backs: Ticlycov, Chesticov, Nasticov
Defenders: Slalomsky, Downhilsky
Midfielders: Risky, Swedishskev, Mastershev
Forwards: Fuckov, Taykitov
Substitutes: Rubitov, Gechakitov, Sodov, Pastryshev, Najinsky, Desert Orchid
ROMANIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Chatanoogaciouciou
Wing Backs: Atishiou, Blessiou, Thankyou
Defenders: Busqueue, Snookercu
Midfielders: Pennyciou, Twoapennyciou, Fourapennyciou
Forwards: I'llgetciou, Youandwhosarmi
Substitutes: U, NonU, ManU, Stuffyiou, Lee Kwan Yu
DANISH SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Toomanigoalssen
Defenders: Tryandstopussen, Crapdefenssen, Haveagossen
Midfielders: Firstsson, Secondsson, Thirdsson
Wingers: Legshurtssen, Notroubleseeingussen
Forwards: Wherestheballssen, Getthebeerssen
Substitutes: Howmanygoalsisthatssen, Finallygaveupcountinssen, Hurryupandblowthewhistlessen, YourelatedtoAlexFergusonssen
ITIALIAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Baloni
Defenders: Potbelli, Beerbelli, Giveitsumwelli
Midfielders: Wotsontelli, Toonsgotkenni, Onetoomani
Wingers: Legslikejelli, Havabenni
Forwards: Wobblijelli, Spendapenni
Substitutes: Cantthinkofani, Buggermi
MEXICAN SQUAD
Goalkeeper: San Francisco
Defenders: Costa Brava, Hopelez, Juan Andonly, Manual Gearbox
Midfielders: Don Criformi-Argentina, Bodegas, Luis Canon, Sombrero
Forwards: Chihuahua, Jose
Substitutes: Jesus Maria Don Key, Burrito, Speedy Gonzalez, Tequila, Caramba
DUTCH SQUAD
Goalkeeper: Kenning Van Hire
Defenders: Van Diemansland, Van der Valk, Van Gard, Van Erealdizeez
Midfielders: Ad Van Tagus, Van Sprokendown, Aye van Hoe
Forwards: Van Coova, Hertz Van Rental, Transit Van Dors
Substitutes: Van Iller, Van Ishincreme, Van Morrison
I love the addition of Desert Orchid to the Russian subs
Ivor Bigun didn't make the panel
Fancy France this year, managed to back the top scorer in the Euros last time but struggling to have a pick this time! Last time out over 9 corners was a decent bet for me
I'll be cheering on Iceland.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2018, 06:01:30 PM
Fancy France this year, managed to back the top scorer in the Euros last time but struggling to have a pick this time! Last time out over 9 corners was a decent bet for me
The french squad looks very strong on paper anyway.
Hard to know what they will go with for the starting lineup though
For any of you with kids that have FIFA 18 - they've released a free World Cup update available to download. We've a PS4 think it's available on a few other platforms as well.
One of the best headlines ever "Raheem shoots himself in the foot"
Of course the irony award goes to Piers Morgan who chastised Raheem. Piers supports Arsenal, whose logo in a cannon.
Quote from: BenDover on May 30, 2018, 10:46:07 AM
For any of you with kids that have FIFA 18 - they've released a free World Cup update available to download. We've a PS4 think it's available on a few other platforms as well.
I packed Messi in my Ultiamte Team, lad.
So Sane doesn't make the German world cup squad. They must have some side because there is no doubt that the lad is a real talent.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 04, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
So Sane doesn't make the German world cup squad. They must have some side because there is no doubt that the lad is a real talent.
Yes, it's inSane.
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Quote from: lurganblue on June 04, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
So Sane doesn't make the German world cup squad. They must have some side because there is no doubt that the lad is a real talent.
Yes, it's inSane.
Only the 32414 time I've read that today. Well done. Very original.
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Quote from: Orior on June 04, 2018, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 04, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
So Sane doesn't make the German world cup squad. They must have some side because there is no doubt that the lad is a real talent.
Yes, it's inSane.
Only the 32414 time I've read that today. Well done. Very original.
Thank f&ck that pun never even crossed my mind :P
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Quote from: lurganblue on June 04, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
So Sane doesn't make the German world cup squad. They must have some side because there is no doubt that the lad is a real talent.
Yes, it's inSane.
Only the 32414 time I've read that today. Well done. Very original.
Thank f&ck that pun never even crossed my mind :P
Yeah yeah, but I came up with it fürst.
Quote from: laoislad on June 04, 2018, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 04, 2018, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 04, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
So Sane doesn't make the German world cup squad. They must have some side because there is no doubt that the lad is a real talent.
Yes, it's inSane.
Only the 32414 time I've read that today. Well done. Very original.
I don't even have to check Gary Lineker's twitter feed to know it is already there.
A decent team of players not going to the World cup 2018.
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Spain supposedly sacking their manager the day before the tournament after it was leaked yesterday he will take over Real Madrid after the tournament.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 13, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
Spain supposedly sacking their manager the day before the tournament after it was leaked yesterday he will take over Real Madrid after the tournament.
Crazy situation.....Big Sam is on standby 😎
It wasn't leaked, it was announced publicly!
The federation absolutely raging as he recently signed a new contract. Hierro is now one of the bigwigs in it so can maybe smooth things over.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 13, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
Spain supposedly sacking their manager the day before the tournament after it was leaked yesterday he will take over Real Madrid after the tournament.
He's now gone.
Amazing stuff altogether.
Players by all accounts didn't want him to go but the federation president, Rubiales, is fuming they he was only made aware of things five mins before the Madrid press release. Making it all about him rather than what the team wants/needs.
Absolute complete and utter madness!!!!
Has also affected their chances, well according to the bookies!! dropped from 11/2 to 13/2
(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2011/01/staunton-latelate06.jpg)
The only man for the job
Mexico USA and Canada to host the 2026 World Cup.
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2018, 12:11:51 PM
Mexico USA and Canada to host the 2026 World Cup.
Congrats to Canada on qualifying
Hierro going to take the Spain team.
Figured he would, I read your comments earlier but I think they had little choice to sack him despite the players wishes. Madrid are the real villian here? There was no need to make it public til after the World Cup.
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2018, 12:11:51 PM
Mexico USA and Canada to host the 2026 World Cup.
Wall put on hold then?😜
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Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2018, 12:11:51 PM
Mexico USA and Canada to host the 2026 World Cup.
Wall put on hold then?😜
If Trump is still in power then there might not be a World cup, but a World War !!
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 13, 2018, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 13, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
Spain supposedly sacking their manager the day before the tournament after it was leaked yesterday he will take over Real Madrid after the tournament.
He's now gone.
Ridiculous. I hope they have early exit after that carry on now.
Quote from: Boycey on June 13, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
Figured he would, I read your comments earlier but I think they had little choice to sack him despite the players wishes. Madrid are the real villian here? There was no need to make it public til after the World Cup.
There wasn't, but given it was already done, I don't see the need to sack him if the players don't want them to. The ambition is to win the world cup.
Bobby Robson was leaving England after WC 90 and it didn't hamper them at all.
Quote from: gallsman on June 13, 2018, 02:11:26 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 13, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
Figured he would, I read your comments earlier but I think they had little choice to sack him despite the players wishes. Madrid are the real villian here? There was no need to make it public til after the World Cup.
There wasn't, but given it was already done, I don't see the need to sack him if the players don't want them to. The ambition is to win the world cup.
Bobby Robson was leaving England after WC 90 and it didn't hamper them at all.
Think that was common knowledge and the FA knew, the Spanish FA were right to be pissed off that he didn't inform them of the Real Madrid job until 5 mins before it was announced , especially after just signing a new contract. Still wouldn't have sacked him though.
If the objective is to give the team the best chance possible of winning the WC, there's no way changing coach helps. Federation putting its pride first.
Quote from: gallsman on June 13, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
If the objective is to give the team the best chance possible of winning the WC, there's no way changing coach helps. Federation putting its pride first.
Yep
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Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2018, 12:11:51 PM
Mexico USA and Canada to host the 2026 World Cup.
Congrats to Canada on qualifying
They'd have qualified anyway. There will be 168 teams in it by then.
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Are you Donald Trump? They've already held two. No borr to them... sure Brazil held the last one
Quote from: gallsman on June 13, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
If the objective is to give the team the best chance possible of winning the WC, there's no way changing coach helps. Federation putting its pride first.
Ya....it would be like sending your best player home before the tournament or something like that. ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
Quantity over quality. No need for triple hosts. Just look at how tiny Qatar are and they will be hosting the 2022 World cup.
(https://cnninewsstream.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/qatar-switzerland.jpg?w=600&h=401)
Time for the English to pull the finger out and get hosting another World cup.
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Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Are you Donald Trump? They've already held two. No borr to them... sure Brazil held the last one
Seriously?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 13, 2018, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
Quantity over quality. No need for triple hosts. Just look at how tiny Qatar are and they will be hosting the 2022 World cup.
(https://cnninewsstream.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/qatar-switzerland.jpg?w=600&h=401)
Time for the English to pull the finger big brown envelope out and get hosting another World cup.
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 06:26:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 13, 2018, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Are you Donald Trump? They've already held two. No borr to them... sure Brazil held the last one
Seriously?
Syf have you ever been to Mexico?? They are more than qualified to host it. I agree that it didn't need 3 hosts, but it will bring a novelty to proceedings anyway. Be a a nice trip if the Repiblic can qualify.
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Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Are you Donald Trump? They've already held two. No borr to them... sure Brazil held the last one
Seriously?
Syf have you ever been to Mexico?? They are more than qualified to host it. I agree that it didn't need 3 hosts, but it will bring a novelty to proceedings anyway. Be a a nice trip if the Repiblic can qualify.
Mexico are in no way qualified to host a WC. And using Brazil, with the incredible debt they incurred trying to get aging stadia up to standard among other white elephant infrastructure projects while the poor continued to suffer as proof of the contrary shows a serious lack of perspective.
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 06:38:39 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Are you Donald Trump? They've already held two. No borr to them... sure Brazil held the last one
Seriously?
Syf have you ever been to Mexico?? They are more than qualified to host it. I agree that it didn't need 3 hosts, but it will bring a novelty to proceedings anyway. Be a a nice trip if the Repiblic can qualify.
Mexico are in no way qualified to host a WC. And using Brazil, with the incredible debt they incurred trying to get aging stadia up to standard among other white elephant infrastructure projects while the poor continued to suffer as proof of the contrary shows a serious lack of perspective.
How are they not qualified to host a WC in comparison to Morocco?
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 13, 2018, 07:01:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 13, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 06:26:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 13, 2018, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Are you Donald Trump? They've already held two. No borr to them... sure Brazil held the last one
Seriously?
Syf have you ever been to Mexico?? They are more than qualified to host it. I agree that it didn't need 3 hosts, but it will bring a novelty to proceedings anyway. Be a a nice trip if the Repiblic can qualify.
Mexico are in no way qualified to host a WC. And using Brazil, with the incredible debt they incurred trying to get aging stadia up to standard among other white elephant infrastructure projects while the poor continued to suffer as proof of the contrary shows a serious lack of perspective.
How are they not qualified to host a WC in comparison to Morocco?
Your attempts to willfully mischaracterise what is said are kinda boring.
Deadspin has a great headline for the Spain manager story
https://deadspin.com/spain-shoots-its-own-dick-off-in-the-name-of-propriety-1826791494
The last World Cup that México hosted had 24 teams. The 2026 one will have 48 teams. No way that México would have the infrastructure to support that.
If the US can't host it on its own then nobody can. 48 teams will require a lot of stadia and infrastructure.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 13, 2018, 07:49:22 PM
If the US can't host it on its own then nobody can. 48 teams will require a lot of stadia and infrastructure.
No one has said the Us couldn't host it on their own.
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 07:54:26 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 13, 2018, 07:49:22 PM
If the US can't host it on its own then nobody can. 48 teams will require a lot of stadia and infrastructure.
No one has said the Us couldn't host it on their own.
Of course they could. They could host two world cups at the same time if they wanted.
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 13, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 06:26:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 13, 2018, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 13, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
USA and Mexico hosted it before so they proved they can stage it on their own. I'd say all 3 is capable of staging it on their own, so why the need for a triple bid?
Two hosts too many means 2 less qualifying spots. But like I said, there'll be hundreds of teams in it by then so even Ireland should qualify.
You seriously think Mexico are capable of hosting a modern WC on its own?
:o
Are you Donald Trump? They've already held two. No borr to them... sure Brazil held the last one
Seriously?
Syf have you ever been to Mexico?? They are more than qualified to host it. I agree that it didn't need 3 hosts, but it will bring a novelty to proceedings anyway. Be a a nice trip if the Repiblic can qualify.
Mexico are in no way qualified to host a WC. And using Brazil, with the incredible debt they incurred trying to get aging stadia up to standard among other white elephant infrastructure projects while the poor continued to suffer as proof of the contrary shows a serious lack of perspective.
South Africa and Russia would be further behind than Mexico and they both won the right to hold the World Cup.
Conor Moore :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-TRs2g9aVo
From a football purists POV, hope it's a Belgium/Argentina final.
Real Madrid up to their shenanigans again.
Is Mo Salah fit for the first game?
Plenty of hot Russian women in the crowd.
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2018, 03:31:38 PM
Plenty of hot Russian women in the crowd.
http://russian-dating.com/
Is Robbie Williams big in Russia? Fecking state of him.
The conclusion so far is Saudi Arabia are shite.
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2018, 03:31:38 PM
Plenty of hot Russian women in the crowd.
The Russian World cup ambassador is decent
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I see the Russians have taken their wheatabix/steroids. 5-0 against the Saudis.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 14, 2018, 06:01:07 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2018, 03:31:38 PM
Plenty of hot Russian women in the crowd.
The Russian World cup ambassador is decent
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Could do with a feed of spuds.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 14, 2018, 05:56:07 PM
The conclusion so far is Saudi Arabia are shite.
The Saudis are Sunni
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
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Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2018, 03:31:38 PM
Plenty of hot Russian women in the crowd.
The Russian World cup ambassador is decent
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Could do with a feed of spuds.
Meat and 2 veg would be better ;)
Photoshopped tae f**k!
Before shot;
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Uruguay huffing and puffing here! Saurze hasn't had a kick
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
Uruguay huffing and puffing here! Saurze hasn't had a kick
He should have had a couple. What game are you watching??
He's been rubbish, a younger in form Suarez would have scored, but Uruguay have been awful
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2018, 02:33:35 PM
He's been rubbish, a younger in form Suarez would have scored, but Uruguay have been awful
Anyone here been watching Barca got the last two seasons? Suarez is a donkey for about 80% of every game and then might score two absolute screamers.
Uruguay got over the line having been very poor for 80 minutes. Suarez didn't look very sharp. No sign of Mo Salah.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 15, 2018, 02:58:19 PM
Uruguay got over the line having been very poor for 80 minutes. Suarez didn't look very sharp. No sign of Mo Salah.
Was watching golf and just switched over a couple of times to check score, is Suarez carrying a bit more timber than he used to?
Nonsense from Pearce and Keown on commentary, saying they should have brought Salah on for ten mins. As if he wouldn't be playing if he was anything remotely close to resembling being fit
Jay-zis. I've a pain in me swiss listening to Brian Kerr >:(
Atmosphere almost vevuzela like
Some finish to both games today. That has to be one of the worst and most costly own goals in I've ever seen.
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"As counties go, these are bitter rivals"
Ger..
Ger Canning has to be the most useless commentator of all time on any tv station ever.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2018, 07:09:33 PM
Ger Canning has to be the most useless commentator of all time on any tv station ever.
Nah, Martin Carney and Tommy Carr are worse, albeit they're co-commentators.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2018, 07:09:33 PM
Ger Canning has to be the most useless commentator of all time on any tv station ever.
I'll be avoiding RTE then.
At least he'll not be commentating on GAA matches then.
My thinking for costa goal... He clocked him - he is a dirty fecker i dunno how they allow that. Then i realise... Ah it's pepe. Fair enough.
This match is really getting the WC rolling. Pure theatre.
Quote from: Syferus on June 15, 2018, 07:27:00 PM
This match is really getting the WC rolling. Pure theatre.
I'm hoping for 2-2
😮
Concussed
Ronnie might double his WC total from the last three in one game..
David De Karius
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 15, 2018, 07:26:48 PM
My thinking for costa goal... He clocked him - he is a dirty fecker i dunno how they allow that. Then i realise... Ah it's pepe. Fair enough.
Ha exactly what I thought.!
Maybe BennyCake was right about De Gea after all...
I thought Benny would be 1st on ;D
Quote from: Boycey on June 15, 2018, 07:53:24 PM
I thought Benny would be 1st on ;D
So did I haha.
No coincidence Ramos is also on the pitch!
Serious third goal, worthy of a world cup.
Does Nani not make the Portugal squad these days he's gotta be a couple of years younger than Ronnie?
He was named in provisional squad but didn't make final cut
some f**king goal
thats the best world cup game since Brazil v italy 1982
Gees that p***k is good.
One trick pony a wise man once said...
Not a bad start to the World cup for Ronaldo.
He knew what he was doing from he set that ball down. Masterful
A wise man on rte said he be found out in time lol
This guy. Over to Messi go try to follow that.
Good match enjoyed that just a pity Ger Canning is so awful on the mic.
Can't understand why teams have a wall at free kicks.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 15, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
Good match enjoyed that just a pity Ger Canning is so awful on the mic.
Yes, soccer commentary is all about the silences. You don't have to ramble on and on.
Quote from: heganboy on June 15, 2018, 08:46:55 PM
He knew what he was doing from he set that ball down. Masterful
Yeah trying to score.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on June 15, 2018, 08:55:13 PM
Can't understand why teams have a wall at free kicks.
Villa done it one time v Utd. Beckham stuck it in top corner.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2018, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 15, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
Good match enjoyed that just a pity Ger Canning is so awful on the mic.
Yes, soccer commentary is all about the silences. You don't have to ramble on and on.
Yis all know it's on other channels too??
Quote from: Boycey on June 15, 2018, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2018, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 15, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
Good match enjoyed that just a pity Ger Canning is so awful on the mic.
Yes, soccer commentary is all about the silences. You don't have to ramble on and on.
Yis all know it's on other channels too??
I couldn't find the remote control!
De gea has made the world cup for me. brilliant stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 15, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
De gea has made the world cup for me. brilliant stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's his third clanger in last four international games.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 15, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
De gea has made the world cup for me. brilliant stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Best in the world apparently ::)
Spain looked like real live contenders in fairness, if they get rid of the dodge in goals obviously..
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Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 15, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
De gea has made the world cup for me. brilliant stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's his third clanger in last four international games.
He needs to stop bumping into Ramos = concussion every time.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 15, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
De gea has made the world cup for me. brilliant stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
When you're up against the best it's difficult to concentrate!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2018, 08:48:14 PM
A wise man on rte said he be found out in time lol
"....only a cod..."
Spain will still be there or thereabouts
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 15, 2018, 11:36:46 PM
Spain will still be there or thereabouts
Yeah, Ronaldo (rightly) taking the plaudits has distracted a lot of people from the fact that Portugal didn't actually win and were comprehensively outplayed for large portions of the match. Costa looks in great shape.
Quote from: Boycey on June 15, 2018, 08:27:47 PM
Does Nani not make the Portugal squad these days he's gotta be a couple of years younger than Ronnie?
How is Quaresma still there? Seems like he's been around for yonks
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2018, 11:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 15, 2018, 11:36:46 PM
Spain will still be there or thereabouts
Yeah, Ronaldo (rightly) taking the plaudits has distracted a lot of people from the fact that Portugal didn't actually win and were comprehensively outplayed for large portions of the match. Costa looks in great shape.
Both Spain and a Portugal to hammer the rest in their group, with 3 goals Ronaldo is still a good price at 5/2 for top scorer! Generally 6/7 goals wins it
Funny, I get the plaudits but Ronaldo was poor in open play, scored a pen, a fluke and a peach of a free kick. Spain were the better side and definitely have more balance to them. That strike :o
The World Cup, although played by professional athletes is probably the most amateur of all sporting competitions.
Without having to think too hard did he not create the penalty, and did he not also,very unselfishly, hand a certain goal on a plate to a team mate, who missed it? I don't particularly like him, but to try and pick holes in his performance last night is pure nonsense in my opinion.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2018, 06:51:43 AM
Funny, I get the plaudits but Ronaldo was poor in open play, scored a pen, a fluke and a peach of a free kick. Spain were the better side and definitely have more balance to them. That strike :o
The World Cup, although played by professional athletes is probably the most amateur of all sporting competitions.
lol, he also won the penalty and the free kick that he scored. Maybe you missed that.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 16, 2018, 07:32:17 AM
Without having to think too hard did he not create the penalty, and did he not also,very unselfishly, hand a certain goal on a plate to a team mate, who missed it? I don't particularly like him, but to try and pick holes in his performance last night is pure nonsense in my opinion.
How is it nonsense? In the buildup to Spain's third, he was involved in giving the ball away and literally stopped playing because he was huffing even though three Spanish lads were passing it around him very closely.
He was absolutely Portugal's saviour but that doesn't mean everything he did on the pitch was perfect.
Quote from: lenny on June 16, 2018, 07:49:49 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2018, 06:51:43 AM
Funny, I get the plaudits but Ronaldo was poor in open play, scored a pen, a fluke and a peach of a free kick. Spain were the better side and definitely have more balance to them. That strike :o
The World Cup, although played by professional athletes is probably the most amateur of all sporting competitions.
lol, he also won the penalty and the free kick that he scored. Maybe you missed that.
He made a very unselfish pass in the first half when through which should have been a goal too. Great pass and to be honest i was a bit shocked to see it.
Quote from: gallsman on June 16, 2018, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 16, 2018, 07:32:17 AM
Without having to think too hard did he not create the penalty, and did he not also,very unselfishly, hand a certain goal on a plate to a team mate, who missed it? I don't particularly like him, but to try and pick holes in his performance last night is pure nonsense in my opinion.
How is it nonsense? In the buildup to Spain's third, he was involved in giving the ball away and literally stopped playing because he was huffing even though three Spanish lads were passing it around him very closely.
He was absolutely Portugal's saviour but that doesn't mean everything he did on the pitch was perfect.
If he's arguing the point that Ronaldo was poor in open play it is nonsense cause he just wasn't.. :)
Quote from: gallsman on June 16, 2018, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 16, 2018, 07:32:17 AM
Without having to think too hard did he not create the penalty, and did he not also,very unselfishly, hand a certain goal on a plate to a team mate, who missed it? I don't particularly like him, but to try and pick holes in his performance last night is pure nonsense in my opinion.
How is it nonsense? In the buildup to Spain's third, he was involved in giving the ball away and literally stopped playing because he was huffing even though three Spanish lads were passing it around him very closely.
He was absolutely Portugal's saviour but that doesn't mean everything he did on the pitch was perfect.
I didn't say everything he did on the pitch was perfect, did I? I said the comment that he was poor in open play was nonsense.
Quote from: Boycey on June 16, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 16, 2018, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 16, 2018, 07:32:17 AM
Without having to think too hard did he not create the penalty, and did he not also,very unselfishly, hand a certain goal on a plate to a team mate, who missed it? I don't particularly like him, but to try and pick holes in his performance last night is pure nonsense in my opinion.
How is it nonsense? In the buildup to Spain's third, he was involved in giving the ball away and literally stopped playing because he was huffing even though three Spanish lads were passing it around him very closely.
He was absolutely Portugal's saviour but that doesn't mean everything he did on the pitch was perfect.
If he's arguing the point that Ronaldo was poor in open play it is nonsense cause he just wasn't.. :)
He was shit off the ball but people see what they are told to see.
Give some examples
Most forwards are shit off the ball! they are paid to score goals! Scoring 3 against Spain who in most parts dominated the game is some going for an aging hasbeen....
The problem is Ronaldo is like marmite..
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 16, 2018, 09:44:45 AM
Give some examples
The time he huffed and just refused to play even though the ball was two yards from him, ultimately leasing to the Nacho goal...
IMO...dived for the pen. Like if we are all honest he threw himself over the leg, he wasnt kicked to the floor
Was lucky for 2nd goal
Stropped
Dived for the free kick....like actually was not even touched yet no one has said a word about it on TV or elsewhere
His free kick was unbelievable
I saw him v Las Palmas in November. Real won 3 nil but he didn't score. He tried to shoot from everywhere, stropped about and at final whistle ran off 1st...raging. Ramos on tv after said you cant speak to him if he doesn't score...its all about him
Huge ego and hence he is like marmite
A tool for me but his last goal was unreal under that pressure. He absolutely bought the pen and free kick imo...that is a skill in itself
Spain were unbelievably good at times. That carousel passing was a joy. Like Matadors at times
Isco best player on pitch.
Quote from: gallsman on June 16, 2018, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 16, 2018, 09:44:45 AM
Give some examples
The time he huffed and just refused to play even though the ball was two yards from him, ultimately leasing to the Nacho goal...
You already gave that example. Are there any others you have that demonstrate that the suggestion that 'he was poor from open play' isn't nonsense
What a crowd of try hard cnuts ;D
Nobody's asking you to worship at the altar of Ronaldo just acknowledge that he played reasonably well last night.. in open play Isco, Silva were the best on the pitch but Ronaldo was easily Portugal's best player especially in the 1st half. Also Spain are a significantly better team than Portugal, who are below England in the betting ffs, so of course they were better.
What a goal.
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Portugal might be worth a punt. They are not the best squad . They weren't at the Euros either. And they won. It is a tournament rather than a league.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/world-cup-2018/2018/0615/970888-hat-trick-hero-ronaldo-looking-to-the-next-match/
We have to look to the next match now because our goal is to win," Ronaldo said.
"We have to take it match by match and move on through the group stage.
"We are not the favourites but we will do our best and try to beat Morocco on Wednesday.
Quote from: Boycey on June 16, 2018, 10:47:17 AM
What a crowd of try hard cnuts ;D
Nobody's asking you to worship at the altar of Ronaldo just acknowledge that he played reasonably well last night.. in open play Isco, Silva were the best on the pitch but Ronaldo was easily Portugal's best player especially in the 1st half. Also Spain are a significantly better team than Portugal, who are below England in the betting ffs, so of course they were better.
Surprised we haven't heard Salah's name yet and suggestions he is as good as Ronaldo. lol
France looking their usual enigmatic selves here.
That decision is bullshit.
Why was it so delayed? Did the linesman flag?
Glad oz equalised. That boy who scored it (jeznik is it?) is a tough nut.
Liverpool's new signing looks like coming on
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2018, 12:23:20 PM
Why was it so delayed? Did the linesman flag?
Glad oz equalised. That boy who scored it (jeznik is it?) is a tough nut.
I'm guessing he was waiting for the ball to go out of play.
That's why I'm wondering what would have happened if the Aussies scored. Would the goal be given and then he would have looked at VAR and given a peno?
Was a penalty for me. Aussie guy got the faintest of touches which didn't actually knock the ball away from griezman who would still have gone on to get a shot away. The Aussie player then catches him from behind, it's a penalty
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 12:26:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2018, 12:23:20 PM
Why was it so delayed? Did the linesman flag?
Glad oz equalised. That boy who scored it (jeznik is it?) is a tough nut.
I'm guessing he was waiting for the ball to go out of play.
That's why I'm wondering what would have happened if the Aussies scored. Would the goal be given and then he would have looked at VAR and given a peno?
No idea what would have happened but I bet that scenario will happen some day.
The Aussies give you work rate! Fair fecks to them should the hold out or win! France are typically slow starters
There have been some great own goals already lol bullet headers yesterday delicate lobs today
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 16, 2018, 12:44:38 PM
There have been some great own goals already lol bullet headers yesterday delicate lobs today
Amazing how he played the ball off the defender to score the goal! Quality
Pogba the second United player to score following on from De Gea's goal last night.
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 01:13:18 PM
Pogba the second United player to score following on from De Gea's goal last night.
In fairness to De Gea he was hit by a fly just beforehand... concussion reports coming in from Spain's doctors :D
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 01:13:18 PM
Pogba the second United player to score following on from De Gea's goal last night.
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I see RTE have one of the Après Match fellas impersonating Keith Andrews for this game.
As good as the Argies are going forward they are suspect at the back!!
Bit of a rough tackle by the ref there.
I have to say I've yet to be won over by VAR. .
Quote from: Boycey on June 16, 2018, 02:46:17 PM
I have to say I've yet to be won over by VAR. .
Don't get this skepticism that's in vogue about the VAR. It works in every other field sport, and it will only take one instance where the wrong call on the field being overturned to fully justify its use.
Three Utd men doing punditry on ITV! Bit biased
VAR has been fine they just need a tmo instead of the ref running to a TV in the tunnel to speed it up. The Europeans doing well as always so far, even Iceland causing probs for the Argies. Can't wait for FIFA to expand the world cup to 64 teams and reward UEFA with about 10 spots. Silly me thinking UEFA had all the power what we need is obviously more teams of Saudi Arabias quality.
Iceland are the Fermanagh of FIFA.
Poster boy misses penalty ha ha. Come on iceland
At the minute CR7 has upstaged Messi
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2018, 03:25:55 PM
At the minute CR7 has upstaged Messi
Which matters a lot to him no doubt.
Messi doesn't look fit. As a matter of fact he looks ill.
Quote from: ziggy90 on June 16, 2018, 03:29:23 PM
Messi doesn't look fit. As a matter of fact he looks ill.
Very lazy
I don't know... in the last ten minutes now and he's trying to do everything on his own. It's all Messi going across the edge of the box trying to work the shot. In fairness, he's coming close, but Iceland just have to pack up the middle of the box.
Deserved point for Iceland.
Well done Iceland hard work brings success. Messi will need to step up if Argentina are to make an impact in this World cup.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 16, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
VAR has been fine they just need a tmo instead of the ref running to a TV in the tunnel to speed it up. The Europeans doing well as always so far, even Iceland causing probs for the Argies. Can't wait for FIFA to expand the world cup to 64 teams and reward UEFA with about 10 spots. Silly me thinking UEFA had all the power what we need is obviously more teams of Saudi Arabias quality.
2026 World Cup increases number of teams by 50%. European teams only go from 13 to 16. It will be very hard for the likes of Saudi to fail to qualify. There should be a coefficient system based on actual results, like in the Champions League.
Doesn't bode well for the quaility of the SA teams when two of the big three laboured so heavily against a Salah-less Eygpt and Iceland.
There needs to be more European sides in the expanded WC.
Quote from: Syferus on June 16, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
Doesn't bode well for the quaility of the SA teams when two of the big three laboured so heavily against a Salah-less Eygpt and Iceland.
There needs to be more European sides in the expanded WC.
Snap. It's a joke. 2026 group stages will be a borefest.
Half the teams should be from Europe and even then that is low compared to the rankings but as stated only 16 out of 42 will be from UEFA in 2026. The euros is a far superior tournament even when it has been expanded ( which it shouldnt have). World qualifying is the simple answer to get the best teams.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 16, 2018, 04:17:46 PM
Half the teams should be from Europe and even then that is low compared to the rankings but as stated only 16 out of 42 will be from UEFA in 2026. The euros is a far superior tournament even when it has been expanded ( which it shouldnt have). World qualifying is the simple answer to get the best teams.
They were totally right to expand the Euros. They could still add more and the quaility of it would be higher than the current WC.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 16, 2018, 04:17:46 PM
Half the teams should be from Europe and even then that is low compared to the rankings but as stated only 16 out of 42 will be from UEFA in 2026. The euros is a far superior tournament even when it has been expanded ( which it shouldnt have). World qualifying is the simple answer to get the best teams.
16 out of 48. Worse again!
Dybala didn't get on for Argentina and Higuain only got 10 minutes or so. I would have started both including Messi and Aguero.
Remember Argentina just about qualified! So no real surprise
Peru's jersey is class.
Quote from: Syferus on June 16, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
Doesn't bode well for the quaility of the SA teams when two of the big three laboured so heavily against a Salah-less Eygpt and Iceland.
There needs to be more European sides in the expanded WC.
It is easy to put an excessive weight on the first round. Spain lost to Switzerland in 2010 in the first round.
It was a bit like Ros beating Galway in 2001. ;)
Quote from: shark on June 16, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 16, 2018, 04:17:46 PM
Half the teams should be from Europe and even then that is low compared to the rankings but as stated only 16 out of 42 will be from UEFA in 2026. The euros is a far superior tournament even when it has been expanded ( which it shouldnt have). World qualifying is the simple answer to get the best teams.
16 out of 48. Worse again!
Ha jeez disaster. Like i say 24 should be to europe then and thats not to make it easier for Ireland i just want to see the best teams and not a lot of crap.
Peru playing well so far
Ok game but may have to go back to the rugby and watch the fights
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 04:59:09 PM
Peru's jersey is class.
It's class alright! That's the style of Jersey they always wear. Except when they played Argentina in 1978!
There was a reason they did not play in their Jersey that time!
(http://u.goal.com/405600/405679.jpg)
I assume you mean because their government ordered them to lose by more than 4.
I think both the Euros and the World Cup sacrificed quality/integrity for money in their recent expansions. There are not 24 decent teams in Europe at any one time and there are a lot of crap teams at this tournament.
Expanding the Euros let the BIG in twice during their ongoing decades long crisis and they really shouldn't have been allowed play.
Quote from: weareros on June 16, 2018, 05:20:13 PM
I assume you mean because their government ordered them to lose by more than 4.
There must have been some really pissed off Brazilians after that world Cup. Knocked out of a competition on goal difference in the semi-final groups! Gas thing in those days was the final group games were at different times.
Remember Austria/Germany doing the dirt in 1982 to stop Algeria getting out of the group!
Ref was giving nothing to Peru and thanks to the VAR they've got a penalty..
What a miss.
Peru seem determined to try to lose the match
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 16, 2018, 06:19:05 PM
Peru seem determined to try to lose the match
They are wearing the wrong Jerseys for that! ;D
Never heard a commentary and punditry team focus so much on the emotional state of a lad who missed a penalty as on the BBC. He's a professional footballer, get over it.
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
Good decision that far too much wrestling around in the penalty box these days
1 arm they get away with but that was both wrapped round him.
Nigeria very poor.
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
Very true and no one talks about the massacres of 30 million Germans.
Also moses is very fond of going to ground.
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
I'm sure you can find some way to blame capitalism for it all if you try hard enough.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 16, 2018, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
Very true and no one talks about the massacres of 30 million Germans.
Oh this should be very good.
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
And nobody talks about Bulgaria on the news anymore.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 16, 2018, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
Very true and no one talks about the massacres of 30 million Germans.
I bet you were up for Croatia there - especially with their history and all...
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 16, 2018, 09:57:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
And nobody talks about Bulgaria on the news anymore.
Any time the Wombles come up they do
One of the centres for group matches is Volgograd. It was known in Ww2 as Stalingrad, where the Nazis ran into a wall.
The Soviets won the war but the cost was unbearable.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/
"She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are."
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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 16, 2018, 09:57:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
And nobody talks about Bulgaria on the news anymore.
Any time the Wombles come up they do
Nicely done
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 10:17:16 PM
One of the centres for group matches is Volgograd. It was known in Ww2 as Stalingrad, where the Nazis ran into a wall.
The Soviets won the war but the cost was unbearable.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/
"She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are."
Did you know Russia used to be a communist country, Sea?
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
A little uncouth but I agree with you I'm glad the European Coutries are doing well.
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
What he said.
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2018, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
One of the best things about the World Cup is supporting one team over the other in every fixture due to your perception of each country's historical deeds & alignments.
This is a very wee six mindset to have.
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2018, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 16, 2018, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2018, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
One of the best things about the World Cup is supporting one team over the other in every fixture due to your perception of each country's historical deeds & alignments.
This is a very wee six mindset to have.
Gives me an interest. Otherwise, a team from far away are playing a team from far away. This match is being played far away.
I like watching good football. Apart from England losing I have no skin in the game.
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
It's more than a bit rich for an Irishman to be complaining about this stuff.
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2018, 12:53:47 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
It's more than a bit rich for an Irishman to be complaining about this stuff.
How so?
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2018, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
One of the best things about the World Cup is supporting one team over the other in every fixture due to your perception of each country's historical deeds & alignments.
I know you're on the wind up, but where did you stand on DenmarkV Peru and why?
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
Can't understand the idea that they didn't deserve the point. They executed their game plan almost perfectly and denied Argentina the space to cause much damage. An exceptionally well organized defense, and decent enough on the break. Well worth their point, and I hope not to have to watch them again.
What exactly are they supposed to do? I just read their right back makes salt for a living for fucks sake!
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 17, 2018, 03:57:36 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
Can't understand the idea that they didn't deserve the point. They executed their game plan almost perfectly and denied Argentina the space to cause much damage. An exceptionally well organized defense, and decent enough on the break. Well worth their point, and I hope not to have to watch them again.
They gave away two clear penalties, one called and one ignored. Hard to say they deserved the result in that context.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:27:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
Kinda like RoI under Jackie's army
Kerr is on commentary for Costa Rica and Serbia today, should make it worth watching.
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
Bismarck must be turning in his grave.
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Croatia are playing Nigeria in Kaliningrad. Until 1945 it was a German city, in Prussia, called Königsberg. Nobody talks about Prussia any more.
Yeah but that stadium is sinking apparently. Won't be in use long.
Peter Collins is a ringer for Nigel Farage!
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2018, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:29:29 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2018, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
One of the best things about the World Cup is supporting one team over the other in every fixture due to your perception of each country's historical deeds & alignments.
I know you're on the wind up, but where did you stand on DenmarkV Peru and why?
Peru obviously. Danish bastids raped and pillaged their way through Ireland.
Excellent response. There's no arguing with that one
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2018, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:29:29 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2018, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
One of the best things about the World Cup is supporting one team over the other in every fixture due to your perception of each country's historical deeds & alignments.
I know you're on the wind up, but where did you stand on DenmarkV Peru and why?
Peru obviously. Danish bastids raped and pillaged their way through Ireland.
Is this the Viking raids around 900AD or Eriksen and Co at Landsdowne Road last autumn?
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2018, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 17, 2018, 03:57:36 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
Can't understand the idea that they didn't deserve the point. They executed their game plan almost perfectly and denied Argentina the space to cause much damage. An exceptionally well organized defense, and decent enough on the break. Well worth their point, and I hope not to have to watch them again.
They gave away two clear penalties, one called and one ignored. Hard to say they deserved the result in that context.
And the keeper saved the one that was called. That's part of deserving it.
Good game this. End to end stuff so far. Mexico giving it a good go against the Germans.
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2018, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 17, 2018, 01:50:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2018, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:29:29 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2018, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
How about ye take yer shite to another thread and leave this one for the football.
One of the best things about the World Cup is supporting one team over the other in every fixture due to your perception of each country's historical deeds & alignments.
I know you're on the wind up, but where did you stand on DenmarkV Peru and why?
Peru obviously. Danish bastids raped and pillaged their way through Ireland.
Is this the Viking raids around 900AD or Eriksen and Co at Landsdowne Road last autumn?
Obviously the Viking raids. As if the latter is really important.
It is to some people.
Excellent first half. Mexico fully deserve their lead also.
Can't see them keeping that sort of pace up for the full game though.
Quote from: laoislad on June 17, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Excellent first half. Mexico fully deserve their lead also.
Can't see them keeping that sort of pace up for the full game though.
mexico should be at least 2 up. Germany all over the place at times.
Haven't seen much from the Germans to suggest they will win the match! Would need to improve by a good margin
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:27:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
The 3 stoogies! The penny has dropped that Argentina, world cup finalist last time, have infinitly better players than Iceland? you guys deserve a certificate of punditry ::) Fortunately the Iceland coach was of the same opinion
Now football should only be played a certain way for the entertainment values of the 3 sofa stoogies who it appears know fck all about intl football, fck all about tactics and the value of the unbreakable united team ethic.
Iceland topped their WC qual group by playing better football than and at the same time beating Croatia, Ukriane and Turkey. According to you morons they should now just fook off then? ;D
Too many times Iceland tried to play the ball out of defence on the ground in the 2nd half, stringing 5 or 6 passes before being dissposed by the likes of Messi et al, class players who have totally dominated much better players/teams than Iceland. The siege in the 2nd half at times was not much different than Barca making Man u look like a pub team at the Wembley CL final or making Arsenal look bedraggled everytime they met, or Barca trying to break though a Chelsea parked bus. I suppose by the stoogie criteria of the beautiful game, all those teams should have fooked off the stage?
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2018, 06:40:35 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:27:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
The 3 stoogies! The penny has dropped that Argentina, world cup finalist last time, have infinitly better players than Iceland? you guys deserve a certificate of punditry ::) Fortunately the Iceland coach was of the same opinion
Now football should only be played a certain way for the entertainment values of the 3 sofa stoogies who it appears know fck all about intl football, fck all about tactics and the value of the unbreakable united team ethic.
Iceland topped their WC qual group by playing better football than and at the same time beating Croatia, Ukriane and Turkey. According to you morons they should now just fook off then? ;D
Too many times Iceland tried to play the ball out of defence on the ground in the 2nd half, stringing 5 or 6 passes before being dissposed by the likes of Messi et al, class players who have totally dominated much better players/teams than Iceland. The siege in the 2nd half at times was not much different than Barca making Man u look like a pub team at the Wembley CL final or making Arsenal look bedraggled everytime they met, or Barca trying to break though a Chelsea parked bus. I suppose by the stoogie criteria of the beautiful game, all those teams should have fooked off the stage?
well said. :)
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2018, 06:40:35 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:27:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
The 3 stoogies! The penny has dropped that Argentina, world cup finalist last time, have infinitly better players than Iceland? you guys deserve a certificate of punditry ::) Fortunately the Iceland coach was of the same opinion
Now football should only be played a certain way for the entertainment values of the 3 sofa stoogies who it appears know fck all about intl football, fck all about tactics and the value of the unbreakable united team ethic.
Iceland topped their WC qual group by playing better football than and at the same time beating Croatia, Ukriane and Turkey. According to you morons they should now just fook off then? ;D
Too many times Iceland tried to play the ball out of defence on the ground in the 2nd half, stringing 5 or 6 passes before being dissposed by the likes of Messi et al, class players who have totally dominated much better players/teams than Iceland. The siege in the 2nd half at times was not much different than Barca making Man u look like a pub team at the Wembley CL final or making Arsenal look bedraggled everytime they met, or Barca trying to break though a Chelsea parked bus. I suppose by the stoogie criteria of the beautiful game, all those teams should have fooked off the stage?
You've completely missed the point, haven't you?
I don't expect Iceland to play any other way than the way they do. That's the only way for them to get results.
The point is, it's utterly septic to watch, just as Norway were in the 1990s, and it would be a disaster for the tournament were they to go through ahead of Argentina.
Something similar goes for the Swiss, who are consistently the most boring team to watch at major finals. Hopefully Brazil destroy them.
Don't watch it. Simples
What a strike!!!
Unmared header. Tsk Tsk Brazil
Clear shove in the back. Lee Dixon making a twat of himself saying "it's not a shove" and then "it was a little shove".
The two of them sounded awfully embarrassed when they announced that Clattenburg had said it shouldn't have stood.
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2018, 06:40:35 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 17, 2018, 03:27:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
The 3 stoogies! The penny has dropped that Argentina, world cup finalist last time, have infinitly better players than Iceland? you guys deserve a certificate of punditry ::) Fortunately the Iceland coach was of the same opinion
Now football should only be played a certain way for the entertainment values of the 3 sofa stoogies who it appears know fck all about intl football, fck all about tactics and the value of the unbreakable united team ethic.
Iceland topped their WC qual group by playing better football than and at the same time beating Croatia, Ukriane and Turkey. According to you morons they should now just fook off then? ;D
Too many times Iceland tried to play the ball out of defence on the ground in the 2nd half, stringing 5 or 6 passes before being dissposed by the likes of Messi et al, class players who have totally dominated much better players/teams than Iceland. The siege in the 2nd half at times was not much different than Barca making Man u look like a pub team at the Wembley CL final or making Arsenal look bedraggled everytime they met, or Barca trying to break though a Chelsea parked bus. I suppose by the stoogie criteria of the beautiful game, all those teams should have fooked off the stage?
Is there any need to be so aggressive and insulting?
When you think of all the world class forwards who have led the line for Brazil at the World Cups and have become legends. Doubtful if Firmino will be considered in the same light in years to come. ;)
Quote from: under the bar on June 17, 2018, 08:58:43 PM
When you think of all the world class forwards who have led the line for Brazil at the World Cups and have become legends. Doubtful if Firmino will be considered in the same light in years to come. ;)
It was hardly his fault they didn't win he was only on for 10 minutes. Neymar did nothing in the whole 90 minutes
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 17, 2018, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 17, 2018, 08:58:43 PM
When you think of all the world class forwards who have led the line for Brazil at the World Cups and have become legends. Doubtful if Firmino will be considered in the same light in years to come. ;)
It was hardly his fault they didn't win he was only on for 10 minutes. Neymar did nothing in the whole 90 minutes
It's just a bit of trying too hard trolling from a United fan
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Quote from: Capt Pat on June 17, 2018, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 17, 2018, 08:58:43 PM
When you think of all the world class forwards who have led the line for Brazil at the World Cups and have become legends. Doubtful if Firmino will be considered in the same light in years to come. ;)
It was hardly his fault they didn't win he was only on for 10 minutes. Neymar did nothing in the whole 90 minutes
It's just a bit of trying too hard trolling from a United fan
The obsession level is off the chart. How do you watch that game and think, 'I hate Liverpool so how will I try to slag them and their players off?'
Reminds me of the st gallbladder pup, whatever happened to that p***k?!
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Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2018, 06:40:35 PM
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
The 3 stoogies! The penny has dropped that Argentina, world cup finalist last time, have infinitly better players than Iceland? you guys deserve a certificate of punditry ::) Fortunately the Iceland coach was of the same opinion
Now football should only be played a certain way for the entertainment values of the 3 sofa stoogies who it appears know fck all about intl football, fck all about tactics and the value of the unbreakable united team ethic.
Iceland topped their WC qual group by playing better football than and at the same time beating Croatia, Ukriane and Turkey. According to you morons they should now just fook off then? ;D
Too many times Iceland tried to play the ball out of defence on the ground in the 2nd half, stringing 5 or 6 passes before being dissposed by the likes of Messi et al, class players who have totally dominated much better players/teams than Iceland. The siege in the 2nd half at times was not much different than Barca making Man u look like a pub team at the Wembley CL final or making Arsenal look bedraggled everytime they met, or Barca trying to break though a Chelsea parked bus. I suppose by the stoogie criteria of the beautiful game, all those teams should have fooked off the stage?
You've completely missed the point, haven't you?
I don't expect Iceland to play any other way than the way they do. That's the only way for them to get results.
The point is, it's utterly septic to watch, just as Norway were in the 1990s, and it would be a disaster for the tournament were they to go through ahead of Argentina.
Something similar goes for the Swiss, who are consistently the most boring team to watch at major finals. Hopefully Brazil destroy them.
Sid, I have got the point spot on. You're a phony when it comes to football analysis and knowledge. Brazil didn't destroy Switzerland and haven't that football quality to do so. What you hope might happen in order to satisfy some couch potato fantasy perception of a make believe world of the beautiful football game is beyond even the management of the creator of the universe. Would you be the type of guy who noticed Iceland players swarming around Messi when he had the ball, but didn't notice when Argentina did the exact same to Gisli Sig whenever he had the ball at his feet?
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 17, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Can't understand the narrative that Iceland deserved a point. They just packed the defence and hacked it out all second half. At least Argentina tried to play the right way, passed it around and created what few chances there were.
I hope Iceland get smashed in their remaining two games.
They've had their 15 minutes, it's now time for them to fook off and take their hoofball with them.
Norway were great craic when they were beating England back in 1993 but they soon became an absolute blight on international football.
Iceland are no different in that regard.
Not often I agree with you, but you're on the mark with this one
The 3 stoogies! The penny has dropped that Argentina, world cup finalist last time, have infinitly better players than Iceland? you guys deserve a certificate of punditry ::) Fortunately the Iceland coach was of the same opinion
Now football should only be played a certain way for the entertainment values of the 3 sofa stoogies who it appears know fck all about intl football, fck all about tactics and the value of the unbreakable united team ethic.
Iceland topped their WC qual group by playing better football than and at the same time beating Croatia, Ukriane and Turkey. According to you morons they should now just fook off then? ;D
Too many times Iceland tried to play the ball out of defence on the ground in the 2nd half, stringing 5 or 6 passes before being dissposed by the likes of Messi et al, class players who have totally dominated much better players/teams than Iceland. The siege in the 2nd half at times was not much different than Barca making Man u look like a pub team at the Wembley CL final or making Arsenal look bedraggled everytime they met, or Barca trying to break though a Chelsea parked bus. I suppose by the stoogie criteria of the beautiful game, all those teams should have fooked off the stage?
You've completely missed the point, haven't you?
I don't expect Iceland to play any other way than the way they do. That's the only way for them to get results.
The point is, it's utterly septic to watch, just as Norway were in the 1990s, and it would be a disaster for the tournament were they to go through ahead of Argentina.
Something similar goes for the Swiss, who are consistently the most boring team to watch at major finals. Hopefully Brazil destroy them.
Sid, I have got the point spot on. You're a phony when it comes to football analysis and knowledge. Brazil didn't destroy Switzerland and haven't that football quality to do so. What you hope might happen in order to satisfy some couch potato fantasy perception of a make believe world of the beautiful football game is beyond even the management of the creator of the universe. Would you be the type of guy who noticed Iceland players swarming around Messi when he had the ball, but didn't notice when Argentina did the exact same to Gisli Sig whenever he had the ball at his feet?
The only couch potato make believe artist here is yourself. You have a very active imagination, I'll give you that.
Fair play to the Swiss, they're generally dreadful to watch but at least (and unlike Iceland) they had a right go tonight and actually attacked Brazil, which made the game interesting.
Counter attacking football can be very good to watch. Hoofball, like Iceland, Ireland and Norway in the 90s play/ed, is not.
Maybe you think Manchester United's performances against Sevilla were good to watch too?
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When you think of all the world class forwards who have led the line for Brazil at the World Cups and have become legends. Doubtful if Firmino will be considered in the same light in years to come. ;)
It was hardly his fault they didn't win he was only on for 10 minutes. Neymar did nothing in the whole 90 minutes
It's just a bit of trying too hard trolling from a United fan
The obsession level is off the chart. How do you watch that game and think, 'I hate Liverpool so how will I try to slag them and their players off?'
Reminds me of the st gallbladder pup, whatever happened to that p***k?!
Jesus lad, a lot of anger there. You need time off
Belgium are quite high in the FIFA rankings
https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html
Did they find the sniper that kept shooting at naymar last night. In fairness he kept getting up and played on. That lad is as hard as nails.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2018, 07:58:50 AM
Jesus lad, a lot of anger there. You need time off
No anger at all lad.
Do you disagree with anything I said? Oh and what about Joe Cole, you never did reply to that?
Absolute unit playing CH for Panama. Looks like a rugby league player rather than a soccer player.
Belgium playing a bit shite.
Tidy finish that
Controlled it nicely, catching it perfectly on the laces.
Panama will do well to finish this game with the full compliment. Physical.
Lukaku the goal machine 2 zip.
Quote from: trailer on June 18, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
Lukaku the goal machine 2 zip.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/romelu-lukaku-ive-got-some-things-to-say
Just came across this. Very uplifting.
So, I wonder how many on here are hoping for an England defeat and how many want a win. I hope they win, even though their commentators are unbearable.
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Lukaku the goal machine 2 zip.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/romelu-lukaku-ive-got-some-things-to-say
Just came across this. Very uplifting.
Read that earlier. Thought it was great to be honest. Fair play to him.
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 18, 2018, 06:20:59 PM
So, I wonder how many on here are hoping for an England defeat and how many want a win. I hope they win, even though their commentators are unbearable.
I want a nice impriessive win today to get their hopes up and then a slow slide to a comprehensive defeat in the L16/QFs.
Perhaps the greatest thing on the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzxpc0pyqrs
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 18, 2018, 06:20:59 PM
So, I wonder how many on here are hoping for an England defeat and how many want a win. I hope they win, even though their commentators are unbearable.
The only decent England effort I remember seeing was Bobby Robson ''s 1990 team who reached the semis.
I would like to see them doing well this time. The usual suspects are not very interesting.
Oh dear...
Some awful stupid defending by Walker there.
England have managed to go through their full WC routine of hope to despair in 30 minutes this year..
f**k me england should be about 4-0 up. Walker is twit
Ali is hobbling about. Why is he still on??
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2018, 07:43:46 PM
Ali is hobbling about. Why is he still on??
Because it's nearly half time and they'll have 15 minutes to assess the situation.
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f**k me england should be about 4-0 up. Walker is twit
No proper left back
And that Sterling fella who just falls over his own feet
https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2018/jun/18/tunisia-v-england-world-cup-2018-live-updates
25 min: "I think one important difference right now is that Spurs are good," Matthew Turner says. "Man City are good. Liverpool are good. And they all employ a chest-out, collective, attacking football. That means England are flush with players who have confidence and want to play. And there are some Manchester United players too."
Lingard could have wrapped up the golden boot by half time. Lost count how many good chances he had.
England looked like they could win by about 10 when they went one nil up but the fact is it is 1-1 at half time. The game still has to be won.
Great to hear them crying over the Kane 'penalty'
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 18, 2018, 08:03:50 PM
Great to hear them crying over the Kane 'penalty'
You can hardly blame them, it was a clear foul.
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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 18, 2018, 08:03:50 PM
Great to hear them crying over the Kane 'penalty'
You can hardly blame them, it was a clear foul.
And another one. So much for VAR.
They're fouling us in the box.
It's too warm.
They fall over too easily.
Key points from bbc commentary.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2018, 08:24:38 PM
They're fouling us in the box.
It's too warm.
They fall over too easily.
Key points from bbc commentary.
Ha noted that as well. At least sterling has gone he is absolute garbage in an england shirt
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2018, 08:24:38 PM
They're fouling us in the box.
It's too warm.
They fall over too easily.
Key points from bbc commentary.
Every f**ker in this tournament falls over too easily. So many nothing fouls in every game. Makes it shit to watch.
Least they're not blaming midges.....yet.
England so short of invention.
"Send her victorious
Home on the next Airbus"
Just sorry that Uber crier Mark Lawrenson isn't in the commentary box
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2018, 08:24:38 PM
They're fouling us in the box.
It's too warm.
They fall over too easily.
Key points from bbc commentary.
Ha noted that as well. At least sterling has gone he is absolute garbage in an england shirt
In fairness, the ref + VAR have ridden them. We'd be whinging too.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 18, 2018, 08:33:15 PM
Just sorry that Uber crier Mark Lawrenson isn't in the commentary box
Could have sworn he was Irish.
Is it a bit too soon to say England won't be winning this World cup?
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Just sorry that Uber crier Mark Lawrenson isn't in the commentary box
Could have sworn he was Irish.
Sure Keown Irish too.
England are very much poor quality as usual, some decent players in that team and a few donkeys! Never understood what how some good players for their clubs go to shite with an England Jersey team on them!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2018, 08:42:41 PM
England are very much poor quality as usual, some decent players in that team and a few donkeys! Never understood what how some good players for their clubs go to shite with an England Jersey team on them!!
A lot of poor to average managers unable to get the best out of their players. Who seriously thinks Gareth Southgate is good enough for this level of management?
Goal for England name on trophy?
Ah Fergie time
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How'd that dick end up giving away that corner?
They have been playing that way all night. Much prefer defenders putting the laces through it!
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Ah Fergie time
I don't think the 92nd minute has ever been described as Fergie time before. ;D
Maguire to Kane. Cavan or Fermanagh to Connemara
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2018, 08:42:41 PM
England are very much poor quality as usual, some decent players in that team and a few donkeys! Never understood what how some good players for their clubs go to shite with an England Jersey team on them!!
You could see the confidence draining from some of the more decent players as the game went on. Half decent players but badly organised.
Loftus Cheek made a big difference when he came on. Maguire was their best player imo. Great finish from Harry.
England need rid of Young and Lindgard to progress.
There is genuinely no point in playing 3 Centre halves unless your wing backs provide proper width. The amount of times tonight big Maguire cane steaming out of defence with the ball, slips it to Young, who steps and goes backwards. Offers nothing. Lingard is a passenger. He doesn't have the creative impact required to be that unwilling to get involved.
Sterling not in Rashford's league. Not even close.
Bandwagon up and running! I keep it on the road for 3 weeks roll up to the quarters! Start taking about going all the way, get their hopes up! I And crash out on penalties against a underdog
On the game reviews. Kane should had 3 penalties, he was getting assaulted in the BOX@REF must been blind!
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England need rid of Young and Lindgard to progress.
There is genuinely no point in playing 3 Centre halves unless your wing backs provide proper width. The amount of times tonight big Maguire cane steaming out of defence with the ball, slips it to Young, who steps and goes backwards. Offers nothing. Lingard is a passenger. He doesn't have the creative impact required to be that unwilling to get involved.
Sterling not in Rashford's league. Not even close.
Rashford improved things too but wtf was he doing dummying that chance?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 18, 2018, 08:58:06 PM
England need rid of Young and Lindgard to progress.
There is genuinely no point in playing 3 Centre halves unless your wing backs provide proper width. The amount of times tonight big Maguire cane steaming out of defence with the ball, slips it to Young, who steps and goes backwards. Offers nothing. Lingard is a passenger. He doesn't have the creative impact required to be that unwilling to get involved.
Sterling not in Rashford's league. Not even close.
The width is an easy fix though, just bring in Rose.
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 18, 2018, 08:58:06 PM
England need rid of Young and Lindgard to progress.
There is genuinely no point in playing 3 Centre halves unless your wing backs provide proper width. The amount of times tonight big Maguire cane steaming out of defence with the ball, slips it to Young, who steps and goes backwards. Offers nothing. Lingard is a passenger. He doesn't have the creative impact required to be that unwilling to get involved.
Sterling not in Rashford's league. Not even close.
Rashford improved things too but wtf was he doing dummying that chance?
Think he got a shout as the way he reacted to Lingard (?) ballsing it up suggested he'd have preferred to take it on himself.
Agree that RLC was very good when he came on. Didn't even know he was in the squad.
England did their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They were dominant in the first half yet changed their approach in the second half and nearly squandereed the game. However the Tunisians were so bad at defending set pieces they handed the English victory.
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England did their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They were dominant in the first half yet changed their approach in the second half and nearly squandereed the game. However the Tunisians were so bad at defending set pieces they handed the English victory.
I thought they looked very tired after half-time and weren't able to keep pressing the Tunisians as they had in the first half. They only got a bit of a second wind when the subs came on.
I thought the ref +VAR did their best to gift the Tunisians a draw, rather than the English throwing it away, though the woeful finishing(Kane aside), especially from Lingard is something they won't get away with later in the Tournament.
Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
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Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
Brazil, France, Spain, Portugal and Belgium have that too.
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 19, 2018, 12:19:43 AM
Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
Brazil, France, Spain, Portugal and Belgium have that too.
Who is Brazil's in form out and out striker? Jesus is not in form and doesn't look up to it. Firmino is not currently first choice, is not an out and out striker and is at his best by doing the donkey work to create space for others.
As for Belgium's, he folds when the going gets tough.
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 19, 2018, 12:19:43 AM
Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
Brazil, France, Spain, Portugal and Belgium have that too.
Who is Brazil's in form out and out striker? Jesus is not in form and doesn't look up to it. Firmino is not currently first choice, is not an out and out striker and is at his best by doing the donkey work to create space for others.
As for Belgium's, he folds when the going gets tough.
Has Harry Kane even won any trophies?
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 19, 2018, 12:19:43 AM
Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
Brazil, France, Spain, Portugal and Belgium have that too.
Who is Brazil's in form out and out striker? Jesus is not in form and doesn't look up to it. Firmino is not currently first choice, is not an out and out striker and is at his best by doing the donkey work to create space for others.
As for Belgium's, he folds when the going gets tough.
Has Harry Kane even won any trophies?
It's a team sport. His scoring record is superb.
However, history has shown that having an out and out scoring centre forward is not a prerequisite to winning the World Cup. For Ronaldo 2002, see Guivarc'h 1998.
Did England create a chance after the break bar the goal? I can't remember one. They looked tired and out of ideas. Sterling a passenger.
Kane is the man, his finish for the 2nd wasn't easy. It would have been so easy to head that straight at the keeper. However, it's a win and they should kick on. Panama look well below this level. Belgium will provide a different test of course but one that as others have said they may not necessarily need to overcome.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 19, 2018, 12:19:43 AM
Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
I can see Belgium beating them convincingly. Much more talent in the Belgium team if they can gel together...
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 19, 2018, 12:19:43 AM
Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
I can see Belgium beating them convincingly. Much more talent in the Belgium team if they can gel together...
No doubt Belgium have 2-3 really top class players and a pretty useful first XI. Hence all these clever* people tipping them as underdogs.
But Chadli came on for them yesterday. He'd be lucky to make the Irish bench. So the depth isn't there to change things up, or sustain the loss of starting players. Which is why they won't win a World Cup, and a match vs England is effectively a coin toss. Especially so as Martinez is a f**king idiot.
* it never fails to amaze me how many people over the last 5 years, after having noticed that Hazard and De Bruyne hail from the same country, have taken to social media to proclaim Belgium as dark horses for everything. And always with an air of superior knowledge.
A dark horse is simply a team that is not your usual suspects, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Spain, Argentina and France.. are fancied teams most years
Teams that are Dark horses some years are Holland, Belgium, Portugal, and dare I say it England, the fancied teams mainly because they have been there and done it, either recently or in the past on a number of occasions..
Whereas the dark horses ony have a team every so often, Belgium are that team this year for sure, providing they keep the first 11 fit..
I think most people would like to see a unfancied team win, well except the time Greece won the Euros! that was muck
Watching last night I found it hard to cheer against England for once. There's no one on the team I really dislike and a few players I cheer for every week. The manager is as middle of the road and the exact centre of the white line in the middle of the road! Thought they started well but it took a set piece to break the deadlock. They then fluffed more chances and gave up a silly penalty which enegised Tunisia (who weren't all that bad to be fair). After that England played with more doubt and fear and Tunisia grew into the match. England were still dominant but nervy. Think they just about deserved their win as they we denied a couple of clear penalties (I'm convinced FIFA do not want VAR and are determined to make it fail).
As mentioned above, that balance of their team is wrong. I personally thought Alli and Sterling - great players at club level - were poor last night. Cannot understand how Rashford is not an automatic starter in that side. Someone criticised Lingard who missed a lot of chances but he's usually a good finisher and seems to have a knack for getting into the right place at the right time. Defensively though they look like an accident waiting to happen. Maguire is big and strong but looks ready to have his pocket picked all the time and there's no way Walker can play as part of a 3 at the back based on last night. Doesn't have the positional sense or awareness. Young is a stop gap full back. He'll give you 6 or 7 out of 10 and some good deliveries at times but he's not a natural defender and it shows at times. Trippier though was impressive. Henderson is ho-hum but that's what he's supposed to be in this team to be fair.....him or Dier will do fine.
I don't think they're contenders but their recent record is good, they seem unusually devoid of egos, have a brilliant goalscorer and some excellent attackers. Can they sort the defence out especially for games where they'll be under more pressure/have less of the ball?
problem for Belgium is their manager
completely out of his depth and thinks he knows it all.
who in their right mind would play three at the back when playing Panama?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2018, 09:24:19 AM
A dark horse is simply a team that is not your usual suspects, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Spain, Argentina and France.. are fancied teams most years
Teams that are Dark horses some years are Holland, Belgium, Portugal, and dare I say it England, the fancied teams mainly because they have been there and done it, either recently or in the past on a number of occasions..
Whereas the dark horses ony have a team every so often, Belgium are that team this year for sure, providing they keep the first 11 fit..
I think most people would like to see a unfancied team win, well except the time Greece won the Euros! that was muck
Greece winning was great because they were as limited as Ireland and it showed that with a bit of luck Ireland could go far too. Our big chance was 2002 and Spain did everything possible to hand us the match and we still couldnt take it.
England aren't great but the good news for them is there are not many good international teams about so if the draw opens up they could find themselves in a SF and then you never know.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
Watching last night I found it hard to cheer against England for once. There's no one on the team I really dislike and a few players I cheer for every week. The manager is as middle of the road and the exact centre of the white line in the middle of the road!
I had myself convinced I wouldn't mind seeing England do well this year. Like yourself I don't mind most of their players and Southgate is a likeable sort of chap.
Yet when they scored the winner in injury time I found myself shouting obscenities and the TV. So maybe I don't really want them to do well after all ;D
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 19, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2018, 09:24:19 AM
A dark horse is simply a team that is not your usual suspects, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Spain, Argentina and France.. are fancied teams most years
Teams that are Dark horses some years are Holland, Belgium, Portugal, and dare I say it England, the fancied teams mainly because they have been there and done it, either recently or in the past on a number of occasions..
Whereas the dark horses ony have a team every so often, Belgium are that team this year for sure, providing they keep the first 11 fit..
I think most people would like to see a unfancied team win, well except the time Greece won the Euros! that was muck
Greece winning was great because they were as limited as Ireland and it showed that with a bit of luck Ireland could go far too. Our big chance was 2002 and Spain did everything possible to hand us the match and we still couldnt take it.
England aren't great but the good news for them is there are not many good international teams about so if the draw opens up they could find themselves in a SF and then you never know.
I agree with that last bit. Worryingly.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
Watching last night I found it hard to cheer against England for once. There's no one on the team I really dislike and a few players I cheer for every week. The manager is as middle of the road and the exact centre of the white line in the middle of the road!
I had myself convinced I wouldn't mind seeing England do well this year. Like yourself I don't mind most of their players and Southgate is a likeable sort of chap.
Yet when they scored the winner in injury time I found myself shouting obscenities and the TV. So maybe I don't really want them to do well after all ;D
I can't believe you actually doubted yourself :o
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Second would be a great place for England to end up in this group.
There's a real chance of the draw opening up for them.
They should be able to stroll through the rest of the group without much pressure and a draw against Belgium for a second place finish would do them fine.
There's nothing particularly intimidating in Group H as regards possible last 16 ties.
Colombia would be tricky opponents but they're beatable. I'd fancy England against Poland or Senegal. If Mexico win Group F, there's a big chance England could reach a semi-final by going that route.
They have what a lot of teams in the tournament don't have - an out and out striker who is in-form.
Brazil, France, Spain, Portugal and Belgium have that too.
Who is Brazil's in form out and out striker? Jesus is not in form and doesn't look up to it. Firmino is not currently first choice, is not an out and out striker and is at his best by doing the donkey work to create space for others.
As for Belgium's, he folds when the going gets tough.
Has Harry Kane even won any trophies?
What trophies had Maradona won before 1986?
Or, if you want to make a more pertinent comparison, what trophies had Gary Lineker won before 1986?
Quote from: laoislad on June 19, 2018, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
Watching last night I found it hard to cheer against England for once. There's no one on the team I really dislike and a few players I cheer for every week. The manager is as middle of the road and the exact centre of the white line in the middle of the road!
I had myself convinced I wouldn't mind seeing England do well this year. Like yourself I don't mind most of their players and Southgate is a likeable sort of chap.
Yet when they scored the winner in injury time I found myself shouting obscenities and the TV. So maybe I don't really want them to do well after all ;D
My friends were trolling England on Twitter by the 70th min
wayyy too soon which was hilarious
The look on their faces
I actually think that England team may fair better against likes of Belgium
Teams like Tunisia that park the bus seem to cause them problems
Quote from: Kurtz on June 19, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 19, 2018, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
Watching last night I found it hard to cheer against England for once. There's no one on the team I really dislike and a few players I cheer for every week. The manager is as middle of the road and the exact centre of the white line in the middle of the road!
I had myself convinced I wouldn't mind seeing England do well this year. Like yourself I don't mind most of their players and Southgate is a likeable sort of chap.
Yet when they scored the winner in injury time I found myself shouting obscenities and the TV. So maybe I don't really want them to do well after all ;D
My friends were trolling England on Twitter by the 70th min
wayyy too soon which was hilarious
The look on their faces
I actually think that England team may fair better against likes of Belgium
Teams like Tunisia that park the bus seem to cause them problems
Teams that park the bus at international level will almost always cause serious problems for their opponents, no matter who they are, even the very best.
Spain lost to Switzerland in 2010 despite the Swiss barely attacking in the whole game, and they then had to labouriously grind out four late 1-0 wins in the knockout stages.
History has shown us that only 8 teams have won the World Cup. Of those 8 3 teams won it once. Of those 3 France and England were the home nations. Spain were the other team and had the Golden Age team. Uruguay won it twice as did Argentina and both were Home nation in one of them. Argentina's other win was the 1986 Maradona inspired team. Italy won it 4 times and are not there. So that leaves Germany with 4 and Brazil with 5. A 'dark horse' never wins it. Never. Ever. One may push on and get to the semis but history and logic would suggest that either of Brazil or Germany will win it. Perhaps France. Outside of that I wouldn't be betting on anyone else.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2018, 12:38:02 PM
History has shown us that only 8 teams have won the World Cup. Of those 8 3 teams won it once. Of those 3 France and England were the home nations. Spain were the other team and had the Golden Age team. Uruguay won it twice as did Argentina and both were Home nation in one of them. Argentina's other win was the 1986 Maradona inspired team. Italy won it 4 times and are not there. So that leaves Germany with 4 and Brazil with 5. A 'dark horse' never wins it. Never. Ever. One may push on and get to the semis but history and logic would suggest that either of Brazil or Germany will win it. Perhaps France. Outside of that I wouldn't be betting on anyone else.
Plenty of dark horses have won the European Championship.
Until 1998 history showed us that only six teams won the World Cup.
A "dark horse" will never win the World Cup, until it happens, which it will, sometime.
It's cup football.
Only 2 teams have won a World cup outside of their own continent. Brazil and Spain (South Africa 2010)
Brazil don't look like a team that can do it. So it will be a European team. My money is on the Ze Germans. Or Belgium. Or England. No sorry definitely not England.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2018, 12:38:02 PM
History has shown us that only 8 teams have won the World Cup. Of those 8 3 teams won it once. Of those 3 France and England were the home nations. Spain were the other team and had the Golden Age team. Uruguay won it twice as did Argentina and both were Home nation in one of them. Argentina's other win was the 1986 Maradona inspired team. Italy won it 4 times and are not there. So that leaves Germany with 4 and Brazil with 5. A 'dark horse' never wins it. Never. Ever. One may push on and get to the semis but history and logic would suggest that either of Brazil or Germany will win it. Perhaps France. Outside of that I wouldn't be betting on anyone else.
That would be the smart bet.
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
Only 2 teams have won a World cup outside of their own continent. Brazil and Spain (South Africa 2010)
Brazil don't look like a team that can do it. So it will be a European team. My money is on the Ze Germans. Or Belgium. Or England. No sorry definitely not England.
Germany 2014 too
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
Only 2 teams have won a World cup outside of their own continent. Brazil and Spain (South Africa 2010)
Brazil don't look like a team that can do it. So it will be a European team. My money is on the Ze Germans. Or Belgium. Or England. No sorry definitely not England.
Germany 2014 too
Yes of course, sorry. Point still stands it's very difficult to look outside of the 2 or 3 big teams. Germany, Spain, Brazil.
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
Only 2 teams have won a World cup outside of their own continent. Brazil and Spain (South Africa 2010)
Brazil don't look like a team that can do it. So it will be a European team. My money is on the Ze Germans. Or Belgium. Or England. No sorry definitely not England.
Germany 2014 too
Yes of course, sorry. Point still stands it's very difficult to look outside of the 2 or 3 big teams. Germany, Spain, Brazil.
After Cameroon 1990 wasnt an African team supposed to have won by now. The fact that Tunisia are the best team from the continent is rather worrying as they offered zip and should have been spanked about 5-0. If anything Africa has gone backwards after 28 yrs.
Germany may not even get out of the group. Can see Sweden winning 1-0 by scoring from a free kick or corner. Brazil and Argentina were poor so its there for the taking. As I said earlier England have a chance but expect them to go out on penalties in QF as usual to someone like Portugal.
Not France. Deschamps is a dose.
It's still Germany for me, then Brazil, Spain or Portugal.
Just don't think Argentina or Uruguay have it in them, even with Messi and Suarez.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 19, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 01:06:21 PM
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Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
Only 2 teams have won a World cup outside of their own continent. Brazil and Spain (South Africa 2010)
Brazil don't look like a team that can do it. So it will be a European team. My money is on the Ze Germans. Or Belgium. Or England. No sorry definitely not England.
Germany 2014 too
Yes of course, sorry. Point still stands it's very difficult to look outside of the 2 or 3 big teams. Germany, Spain, Brazil.
After Cameroon 1990 wasnt an African team supposed to have won by now. The fact that Tunisia are the best team from the continent is rather worrying as they offered zip and should have been spanked about 5-0. If anything Africa has gone backwards after 28 yrs.
Germany may not even get out of the group. Can see Sweden winning 1-0 by scoring from a free kick or corner. Brazil and Argentina were poor so its there for the taking. As I said earlier England have a chance but expect them to go out on penalties in QF as usual to someone like Portugal.
I used to play in a league in London when I worked there
There was a Nigerian Team. Seriously gifted and athletic lads
They would play like Brazil for 30 minutes and then indiscipline and bad mistakes creep in.
leading them to lose the game. By the end of the game they'd be fighting with themselves.
One guy even chased his team mate with a football boot at the final whistle
They had a reputation for starting strong and then falling apart
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
Only 2 teams have won a World cup outside of their own continent. Brazil and Spain (South Africa 2010)
Brazil don't look like a team that can do it. So it will be a European team. My money is on the Ze Germans. Or Belgium. Or England. No sorry definitely not England.
Germany 2014 too
Yes of course, sorry. Point still stands it's very difficult to look outside of the 2 or 3 big teams. Germany, Spain, Brazil.
The Chermans are hardly going to win back to back world cups in fairness. Not even the Dubs could do that.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 19, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
Only 2 teams have won a World cup outside of their own continent. Brazil and Spain (South Africa 2010)
Brazil don't look like a team that can do it. So it will be a European team. My money is on the Ze Germans. Or Belgium. Or England. No sorry definitely not England.
Germany 2014 too
Yes of course, sorry. Point still stands it's very difficult to look outside of the 2 or 3 big teams. Germany, Spain, Brazil.
After Cameroon 1990 wasnt an African team supposed to have won by now. The fact that Tunisia are the best team from the continent is rather worrying as they offered zip and should have been spanked about 5-0. If anything Africa has gone backwards after 28 yrs.
Germany may not even get out of the group. Can see Sweden winning 1-0 by scoring from a free kick or corner. Brazil and Argentina were poor so its there for the taking. As I said earlier England have a chance but expect them to go out on penalties in QF as usual to someone like Portugal.
I used to play in a league in London when I worked there
There was a Nigerian Team. Seriously gifted and athletic lads
They would play like Brazil for 30 minutes and then indiscipline and bad mistakes creep in.
leading them to lose the game. By the end of the game they'd be fighting with themselves.
One guy even chased his team mate with a football boot at the final whistle
They had a reputation for starting strong and then falling apart
Given your username Where you thinking to yourself " The Horror, the Horror"
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 19, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
As I said earlier England have a chance but expect them to go out on penalties in QF as usual to someone like Portugal.
England can't meet Portugal before the semis.
The semis will be two teams from Groups A to D and two teams from Groups E to H.
So it's impossible to have, say, all three of Brazil, Germany and England in the semis.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 19, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
As I said earlier England have a chance but expect them to go out on penalties in QF as usual to someone like Portugal.
England can't meet Portugal before the semis.
The semis will be two teams from Groups A to D and two teams from Groups E to H.
So it's impossible to have, say, all three of Brazil, Germany and England in the semis.
I think I'm right in saying that if Brazil win their group and Germany finish 2nd in theirs, which is very possible at the moment, then Brazil and Germany would meet in the last 16.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 19, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
As I said earlier England have a chance but expect them to go out on penalties in QF as usual to someone like Portugal.
England can't meet Portugal before the semis.
The semis will be two teams from Groups A to D and two teams from Groups E to H.
So it's impossible to have, say, all three of Brazil, Germany and England in the semis.
I think I'm right in saying that if Brazil win their group and Germany finish 2nd in theirs, which is very possible at the moment, then Brazil and Germany would meet in the last 16.
All last 16 clashes are between teams in adjacent groups, ie. A1 v B2, B1 v A2, C1 v D2 and so on.
Quote from: AQMP on June 19, 2018, 05:01:02 PM
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 19, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
As I said earlier England have a chance but expect them to go out on penalties in QF as usual to someone like Portugal.
England can't meet Portugal before the semis.
The semis will be two teams from Groups A to D and two teams from Groups E to H.
So it's impossible to have, say, all three of Brazil, Germany and England in the semis.
I think I'm right in saying that if Brazil win their group and Germany finish 2nd in theirs, which is very possible at the moment, then Brazil and Germany would meet in the last 16.
its also possible at the minute that we could see france v argentina in the last 16.
Egypt have imploded
Salah should be sold now! He's struggling
Russia for Sam.
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2018, 08:27:21 PM
Russia for Sam.
More chance of Russia winning it than Roscommon
Russia are officially the lowest ranked team in the tournament but because they didn't have to qualify they have only played friendlies for the last two years which keeps their rating down.
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Russia for Sam.
More chance of Russia winning it than Roscommon
Are Laois still in the championship? Seriously, though, I don't take any notice of them at all. I hope the 50 of ye that care about football are doing well.
;D
Why are the VAR refs wearing a full kit? Is John Terry the head of the Referees committee?
Quote from: dec on June 19, 2018, 08:32:53 PM
Russia are officially the lowest ranked team in the tournament but because they didn't have to qualify they have only played friendlies for the last two years which keeps their rating down.
Liverpool were the lowest ranked team in the 2005 CL cos they were utter dog-shit. Half a dozen perfected Stevie Me UDA-loving dives later and they win the thing. Never say never.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 19, 2018, 09:05:03 PM
Why are the VAR refs wearing a full kit? Is John Terry the head of the Referees committee?
;D
Quote from: dec on June 19, 2018, 08:32:53 PM
Russia are officially the lowest ranked team in the tournament but because they didn't have to qualify they have only played friendlies for the last two years which keeps their rating down.
Plus they've had 2 years to perfect their juicing program
The Russian team have collectively run further in their 2 matches than any other team in the competition has done in any other game. . .
Quote from: screenexile on June 20, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
The Russian team have collectively run further in their 2 matches than any other team in the competition has done in any other game. . .
Marty Morrissey would call that "passion"......
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Quote from: dec on June 19, 2018, 08:32:53 PM
Russia are officially the lowest ranked team in the tournament but because they didn't have to qualify they have only played friendlies for the last two years which keeps their rating down.
Plus they've had 2 years to perfect their juicing program
If they were juiced, do you think they are the only ones on it?
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Russia haven't exactly beat 2 superpowers of world football.
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He has it down already but still trying to defend himself it seems :o
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 20, 2018, 11:04:16 AM
Russia haven't exactly beat 2 superpowers of world football.
That's not remotely the issue . . . they've run further than any other team in the competition by a good way and as Dinny says they probability is that other teams are juicing as well. Not that the World Cup needs to be any more farcical but this adds to it!
Quote from: screenexile on June 20, 2018, 12:36:17 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 20, 2018, 11:04:16 AM
Russia haven't exactly beat 2 superpowers of world football.
That's not remotely the issue . . . they've run further than any other team in the competition by a good way and as Dinny says they probability is that other teams are juicing as well. Not that the World Cup needs to be any more farcical but this adds to it!
The WC is farcical now? Righto, Sarg.
Ronaldo at it again already.
Ronaldo easily the greatest of all time. There can be no discussion on Ronaldo v Messi.
Can we discuss Ronaldo and Maradona?
Ger Canning - "their jerseys have their Christian names on the back"
The Saudis he's talking about
Brian Kerr seems to get crankier every time I hear him.
Quote from: Syferus on June 20, 2018, 05:41:56 PM
Brian Kerr seems to get crankier every time I hear him.
That's good coming from you :D
Some awful dull matches in this World cup.
Quote from: screenexile on June 20, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
The Russian team have collectively run further in their 2 matches than any other team in the competition has done in any other game. . .
The running distances are nothing extraordinary as modern football goes. Liverpool and Man City would regluarly cover greater distances and their average over the course of a premier league season would be on par with what Russia have done so far in the world cup. It must be noted that I believe that football is rife with doping.
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Quote from: screenexile on June 20, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
The Russian team have collectively run further in their 2 matches than any other team in the competition has done in any other game. . .
The running distances are nothing extraordinary as modern football goes. Liverpool and Man City would regluarly cover greater distances and their average over the course of a premier league season would be on par with what Russia have done so far in the world cup. It must be noted that I believe that football is rife with doping.
+1
Spain with 83% possession and just one shot on target. The Iran blanket is heavy.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 20, 2018, 07:00:22 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 20, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
The Russian team have collectively run further in their 2 matches than any other team in the competition has done in any other game. . .
The running distances are nothing extraordinary as modern football goes. Liverpool and Man City would regluarly cover greater distances and their average over the course of a premier league season would be on par with what Russia have done so far in the world cup. It must be noted that I believe that football is rife with doping.
Absolutely no doubt, however the substances that are in the game with that much money are probably 20/30 years off even being tested. EPO and the likes just wouldn't cut it anymore.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2018, 07:49:07 PM
Spain with 83% possession and just one shot on target. The Iran blanket is heavy.
Spain 0 Carlow 0 at HT.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2018, 07:51:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2018, 07:49:07 PM
Spain with 83% possession and just one shot on target. The Iran blanket is heavy.
Spain 0 Carlow 0 at HT.
Spain 0 Man United 0 at HT
Quote from: laoislad on June 20, 2018, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2018, 07:51:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2018, 07:49:07 PM
Spain with 83% possession and just one shot on target. The Iran blanket is heavy.
Spain 0 Carlow 0 at HT.
Spain 0 Man United 0 at HT
Man Utd will probably finish higher in the group though, fourth would be no good
Some celebrations by Iran for a goal that never was.
Ronnie Whelan is an awful pain in the arse.
Quote from: laoislad on June 20, 2018, 08:25:00 PM
Ronnie Whelan is an awful pain in the arse.
No one will ever be worse than Alexi f**king Llalas
Quote from: laoislad on June 20, 2018, 08:25:00 PM
Ronnie Whelan is an awful pain in the arse.
Great footballer for Liverpool, Good Footballers for Ireland, shite co-commentator for RTE.
He keeps asking ''
why did Iran not come out to play before they conceded the goal?''
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44555599
"England manager Gareth Southgate dislocated his right shoulder while running on Wednesday."
I thought of putting it in the "Things that make you go What the F**k?" thread.
Quote from: dec on June 20, 2018, 09:01:50 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44555599
"England manager Gareth Southgate dislocated his right shoulder while running on Wednesday."
I thought of putting it in the "Things that make you go What the F**k?" thread.
fecking ramos at it again.
Sepp Blatter was the one who sacrificed World Cup quantity for quality.
Here's the Guardian on Saudi Arabia
"Saudí Arabia have not won a match in 4 World Cups.
Saudi Arabia, who suffered a minor scare when an engine on their plane caught fire before landing on Rostov-on-Don on Monday, instead have not found the back of the net in their last four World Cup outings. "
The absolute piss take is of course Qatar, hosts next time. Never even qualified.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 20, 2018, 09:53:23 PM
Quote from: dec on June 20, 2018, 09:01:50 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44555599
"England manager Gareth Southgate dislocated his right shoulder while running on Wednesday."
I thought of putting it in the "Things that make you go What the F**k?" thread.
fecking ramos at it again.
Was hoping the Iranians might issue a fatwa on him but sadly he leads a charmed existence.
Quote from: laoislad on June 20, 2018, 08:25:00 PM
Ronnie Whelan is an awful pain in the arse.
Mispronounces so many words.
Gets his irregular verbs wrong
I hate listening to him
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2018, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 20, 2018, 08:25:00 PM
Ronnie Whelan is an awful pain in the arse.
Mispronounces so many words.
Gets his irregular verbs wrong
I hate listening to him
What done he did?
He's not easily understanded I'll gave/give you that
Someone was on here a while ago asking where are all the "enforcers" gone? That Ante Rebić looks the business.
As I post this he's just gone and fucked up a a good chance.
Can Caballero put that error down to concussion also?
Are you going to make the same "joke" everytime a Goalkeeper makes a mistake?
Never mind the mistake from the keeper anyway. It was a top class finish.
Is there even a team outside Europe that's any good? Mexico?
Argentina not in good shape.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
Argentina not in good shape.
Would remind you of Liverpool at Old Trafford or in the CL final. Totally clueless.
Quote from: under the bar on June 21, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
Argentina not in good shape.
Would remind you of Liverpool at Old Trafford or in the CL final. Totally clueless.
You aren't near wise, seriously
Quote from: laoislad on June 21, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
Are you going to make the same "joke" everytime a Goalkeeper makes a mistake?
Never mind the mistake from the keeper anyway. It was a top class finish.
The only joke was using concussion as an excuse. 2nd goal there a top class finish without the need of any error on route.
Messi and his Argentina team miserable. With the magic of Modric Croatia showing why they are one of the dark horses.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
Argentina not in good shape.
Absolutely awful. No spark whatsoever.
Quote from: under the bar on June 21, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
Argentina not in good shape.
Would remind you of Liverpool at Old Trafford or in the CL final. Totally clueless.
And now also humiliated in the same way! Lots of similarities beyond the joke goalkeeping. Messi carrying a team largely made up of average joes just like Salah.
Quote from: under the bar on June 21, 2018, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 21, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
Argentina not in good shape.
Would remind you of Liverpool at Old Trafford or in the CL final. Totally clueless.
And now also humiliated in the same way! Lots of similarities beyond the joke goalkeeping. Messi carrying a team largely made up of average joes just like Salah.
You watch life through a strange filter.
Quote from: spuds on June 21, 2018, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 21, 2018, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 21, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
Argentina not in good shape.
Would remind you of Liverpool at Old Trafford or in the CL final. Totally clueless.
And now also humiliated in the same way! Lots of similarities beyond the joke goalkeeping. Messi carrying a team largely made up of average joes just like Salah.
You watch life through a strange filter.
I think he has something wrong with him.
Hard to fathom how argentina are so rubbish with their players. Despite that goalie mistake it was a fantastic finish.
Some nasty enough tackles in that game.
Why is it a surprise? The internal going ons have been well reported, they needed a last ditch game to qualify! Trouble with managers and players!
I picked them regardless for tonight thinking that this was the game they needed to win! Pants
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 21, 2018, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 21, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
Are you going to make the same "joke" everytime a Goalkeeper makes a mistake?
Never mind the mistake from the keeper anyway. It was a top class finish.
The only joke was using concussion as an excuse. 2nd goal there a top class finish without the need of any error on route.
So you weren't joking with your statement?
Been decent so far. Looking forward to seeing Messi when his team play.....oh wait....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 09:19:13 PM
Why is it a surprise? The internal going ons have been well reported, they needed a last ditch game to qualify! Trouble with managers and players!
I picked them regardless for tonight thinking that this was the game they needed to win! Pants
Yes so they've now resorted to a black taxi driver as manager.
A Brazilian guy I know through work told me before the start of the tournament that he didn't think any South American sides would reach the quarter finals. I thought he was off his head. Maybe he knows something.
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
Diego carried worse teams over the line in a World Cup.
In saying that Croatia are a fine team and I've always liked the neat and tidy Modric.
Rakitic, Mandzuckic and Perisic are good footballers in anyone's language.
They'll take some beating.
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
The same Messi who dragged Argentina to the WC final in 2014 and won player of the tournament and only lost the final to a goal in extra time? That Messi.
We certainly live in a world of now.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
The same Messi who dragged Argentina to the WC final in 2014 and won player of the tournament and only lost the final to a goal in extra time? That Messi.
We certainly live in a world of now.
That was a ridiculous FIFA PR decision, Messi wasn't in the top 10 players in 2014.
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
The same Messi who dragged Argentina to the WC final in 2014 and won player of the tournament and only lost the final to a goal in extra time? That Messi.
We certainly live in a world of now.
That was a ridiculous FIFA PR decision, Messi wasn't in the top 10 players in 2014.
Yeah that was just PR
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
The same Messi who dragged Argentina to the WC final in 2014 and won player of the tournament and only lost the final to a goal in extra time? That Messi.
We certainly live in a world of now.
That was a ridiculous FIFA PR decision, Messi wasn't in the top 10 players in 2014.
Yea Messi is all PR. Must have been PR that knocked Portugal out in the group stages that year too!
Arg need a draw between Iceland and Nigeria. Or a Nigeria win.
It could happen. Then a Michael Bond scenario if they dump the manager and a rerun of Offaly 98 could happen
Otherwise they may be on the way home soon
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
The same Messi who dragged Argentina to the WC final in 2014 and won player of the tournament and only lost the final to a goal in extra time? That Messi.
We certainly live in a world of now.
That was a ridiculous FIFA PR decision, Messi wasn't in the top 10 players in 2014.
Yea Messi is all PR. Must have been PR that knocked Portugal out in the group stages that year too!
Didn't say that. And what has Portugal going out at the group stages in 2014 got to do with the price of fish??
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
The same Messi who dragged Argentina to the WC final in 2014 and won player of the tournament and only lost the final to a goal in extra time? That Messi.
We certainly live in a world of now.
That was a ridiculous FIFA PR decision, Messi wasn't in the top 10 players in 2014.
Yea Messi is all PR. Must have been PR that knocked Portugal out in the group stages that year too!
Didn't say that. And what has Portugal going out at the group stages in 2014 got to do with the price of fish??
Probably has more to do with the price of fish that it has to do with Messi.
So Messi is shite now is he? That what the experts on here think?
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Hope this confirms Messi is no Pele when it comes to the World Stage.
The same Messi who dragged Argentina to the WC final in 2014 and won player of the tournament and only lost the final to a goal in extra time? That Messi.
We certainly live in a world of now.
That was a ridiculous FIFA PR decision, Messi wasn't in the top 10 players in 2014.
Yea Messi is all PR. Must have been PR that knocked Portugal out in the group stages that year too!
Didn't say that. And what has Portugal going out at the group stages in 2014 got to do with the price of fish??
Exactly!
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2018, 10:57:04 AM
So Messi is shite now is he? That what the experts on here think?
Def not shite, fantastic player but hasn't done it at World Cup level like Pele who scored great goal in final when he was 17 and 12 years later in final of 1970. Messi fluffed it totally in last World Cup final.
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2018, 10:57:04 AM
So Messi is shite now is he? That what the experts on here think?
Def not shite fantastic player but hasn't done it at World Cup level like Pele who scored great goal in final when he was 17 and 12 years later in final of 1970. Messi fluffed it totally in last World Cup final.
Robbing this from Twitter.
Pele! Injured in 62, sure he didn't play in the knockout games. 66? Sure he limped out, he didn't want it enough. 70? He has the best team around him. Fraud. And he never did it in Europe.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2018, 10:57:04 AM
So Messi is shite now is he? That what the experts on here think?
Def not shite fantastic player but hasn't done it at World Cup level like Pele who scored great goal in final when he was 17 and 12 years later in final of 1970. Messi fluffed it totally in last World Cup final.
Robbing this from Twitter.
Pele! Injured in 62, sure he didn't play in the knockout games. 66? Sure he limped out, he didn't want it enough. 70? He has the best team around him. Fraud. And he never did it in Europe.
The best weren't in Europe then He scored over 1000 goals. Hardly a fraud scoring in a World Cup final at 17. Messi missed a sitter in the last World Cup final. Good in Europe aye but not the greatest on World Stage . Messi is no fraud and for you to suggest Pele was a fraud shows you haven't a clue.
Last WC Messi was class. Last night was a clusterfcuk in management. Argentina players keep passing to Messi even when he surrounded. He dragged them to WC. Football has existed longer than two weeks. Also Ronaldo has being poor in Madrids last few Champions League finals with a few penos. Barely played knock out in last Euro Champs and Nani was Portugals players. He is rubbish. No. Judge a player over their career. Messi was mentioned as the best ever at 23. And them finals Ronaldo struggled in was because he was being marked but Madrid players intelligent enough to pass to players in space. Argentinas bench last night probably would have bet their starting team with a CM pairing of 66 years old.
Not denying Mess is an incredible player. Probably in top 5 ever just saying in World Cup final tournaments never hit the heights of Pele.
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2018, 10:57:04 AM
So Messi is shite now is he? That what the experts on here think?
Def not shite fantastic player but hasn't done it at World Cup level like Pele who scored great goal in final when he was 17 and 12 years later in final of 1970. Messi fluffed it totally in last World Cup final.
Robbing this from Twitter.
Pele! Injured in 62, sure he didn't play in the knockout games. 66? Sure he limped out, he didn't want it enough. 70? He has the best team around him. Fraud. And he never did it in Europe.
The best weren't in Europe then He scored over 1000 goals. Hardly a fraud scoring in a World Cup final at 17. Messi missed a sitter in the last World Cup final. Good in Europe aye but not the greatest on World Stage
How can you judge a player you have never seen play? How many of those 1000 goals did you see? In age when every minute of your game is watch and analysed, the likes of Messi and Ronaldo simply stand out above all other players currently and historically because the evidence is there for all to see.
Messi is the greatest footballer for all time and a great goal scorer, Ronaldo probably the greatest goal scorer of all time and a great footballer.
Enjoy these players and their achievements, these type of players only arrive every 20 years or so. You can enjoy both without having to try and disparage the other.
Messi is class no doubt. The best ever is worth a debate. For me it was Pele though Maradonna up there as well. After that Best and Cruff imo.
Maradona better than the two of them; and i still have pele ahead if him
Is Peles 1000 goals not a bit of a joke ? Friendlies and all sorts of shite included in that total
Quote from: Minder on June 22, 2018, 11:54:20 AM
Is Peles 1000 goals not a bit of a joke ? Friendlies and all sorts of shite included in that total
No joke when he was putting them past keepers in World Cup finals.
World Cup performance depends on the supporting cast. It is very like the All Ireland club in that regard. I don't think you can say Diego Armando is better cos he won a World Cup.
Messi not even in top 3.
Messi great in a team of greats. Ronaldo great in any team. Ronaldo is the complete footballer.
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2018, 12:07:02 PM
World Cup performance depends on the supporting cast. It is very like the All Ireland club in that regard. I don't think you can say Diego Armando is better cos he won a World Cup.
Pele won three ... admit it he was a decent aul player :)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2018, 10:57:04 AM
So Messi is shite now is he? That what the experts on here think?
Def not shite fantastic player but hasn't done it at World Cup level like Pele who scored great goal in final when he was 17 and 12 years later in final of 1970. Messi fluffed it totally in last World Cup final.
Robbing this from Twitter.
Pele! Injured in 62, sure he didn't play in the knockout games. 66? Sure he limped out, he didn't want it enough. 70? He has the best team around him. Fraud. And he never did it in Europe.
The best weren't in Europe then He scored over 1000 goals. Hardly a fraud scoring in a World Cup final at 17. Messi missed a sitter in the last World Cup final. Good in Europe aye but not the greatest on World Stage
How can you judge a player you have never seen play? How many of those 1000 goals did you see? In age when every minute of your game is watch and analysed, the likes of Messi and Ronaldo simply stand out above all other players currently and historically because the evidence is there for all to see.
Messi is the greatest footballer for all time and a great goal scorer, Ronaldo probably the greatest goal scorer of all time and a great footballer.
Enjoy these players and their achievements, these type of players only arrive every 20 years or so. You can enjoy both without having to try and disparage the other.
Think that sums it up for me.
Jeez lads they were all great players. Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo, Messi, Best, Cruyff. Everybody named was great. No doubt nostalgia has a part to play in some cases and the fact Ronaldo and Messi are playing currently will influence people too.
With that being said I think the two boys playing at the minute have taken things to a whole new level. Maradona didn't score anywhere near what they did and Pele wasn't tested against the best defenders in the World regularly.
1. Ronaldo
2. Messi
3. The rest.
Ronaldo
Maradonna
Fat Ronaldo
Pele
Maradonna
Messi
Pele
Maradonna
Messi
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 22, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
Pele
Maradonna
Messi
We'll be accused of being the same person! :P
Messi
Maradona
Gary Breen
For a player to considered in the conversation for the greatest of the great, they have to be able to beat an opponent, to fool them and ghost past them as if they were not there.
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Zidane and Ronadinho could all do it.
Messi can do it.
Other players who are not in the conversation for the greatest of all time could do it. John Barnes, George Best.
Cristiano Ronaldo can't do it.
It's a rather significant failing for somebody who wants to be considered in the conversation.
Ronaldo's not even the best Ronaldo! The earlier vintage was better imo.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
For a player to considered in the conversation for the greatest of the great, they have to be able to beat an opponent, to fool them and ghost past them as if they were not there.
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Zidane and Ronadinho could all do it.
Messi can do it.
Other players who are not in the conversation for the greatest of all time could do it. John Barnes, George Best.
Cristiano Ronaldo can't do it.
It's a rather significant failing for somebody who wants to be considered in the conversation.
Here's 10 minutes worth of clips of him doing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgpSeoJUZCg
The current 2 play in a time that you cant tackle from behind to get the ball! Defenders were hard hitting then and if messi and ronaldo played back then they would score half the goals they do now! The younger generation dont remember Maradona enough but he took Napoli that had won f**k all before and nothing since he left, to glory in a time every superstar in the world played in Italian football
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
For a player to considered in the conversation for the greatest of the great, they have to be able to beat an opponent, to fool them and ghost past them as if they were not there.
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Zidane and Ronadinho could all do it.
Messi can do it.
Other players who are not in the conversation for the greatest of all time could do it. John Barnes, George Best.
Cristiano Ronaldo can't do it.
It's a rather significant failing for somebody who wants to be considered in the conversation.
Here's 10 minutes worth of clips of him doing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgpSeoJUZCg
He's good hateful hure for the diving tho..
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
The current 2 play in a time that you cant tackle from behind to get the ball! Defenders were hard hitting then and if messi and ronaldo played back then they would score half the goals they do now! The younger generation dont remember Maradona enough but he took Napoli that had won f**k all before and nothing since he left, to glory in a time every superstar in the world played in Italian football
I wonder the age of some posters. To say Pele was the best but having seen what? a few clips on tv? That's ludicrous. Not many games were televised in the 1960s never mind Brazilian ones. At that rate why not have Stanley Matthews in the top 3?
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
For a player to considered in the conversation for the greatest of the great, they have to be able to beat an opponent, to fool them and ghost past them as if they were not there.
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Zidane and Ronadinho could all do it.
Messi can do it.
Other players who are not in the conversation for the greatest of all time could do it. John Barnes, George Best.
Cristiano Ronaldo can't do it.
It's a rather significant failing for somebody who wants to be considered in the conversation.
Here's 10 minutes worth of clips of him doing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgpSeoJUZCg
Using pace to outrun people is not beating a man. It's outsprinting them.
Ronaldo simply cannot do what Messi does or what Maradona or Pele or Ronadinho did.
He can't even do what the original Ronaldo did.
You don't see him double or triple marked like the others were because teams know that he can't do that.
If going on how players performed in World cups Messi wouldn't be close to the top three. Maradona is rated ahead of him on World cups performances because he carried two much weaker Argentina teams on paper on his back to either winning or narrowly losing a final.
All talk thus far has been about offensive players what about defenders? Lothar Matthaus,Cafu,Cannavaro to name but a few that really stood out in World cups.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
For a player to considered in the conversation for the greatest of the great, they have to be able to beat an opponent, to fool them and ghost past them as if they were not there.
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Zidane and Ronadinho could all do it.
Messi can do it.
Other players who are not in the conversation for the greatest of all time could do it. John Barnes, George Best.
Cristiano Ronaldo can't do it.
It's a rather significant failing for somebody who wants to be considered in the conversation.
Here's 10 minutes worth of clips of him doing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgpSeoJUZCg
Using pace to outrun people is not beating a man. It's outsprinting them.
Ronaldo simply cannot do what Messi does or what Maradona or Pele or Ronadinho did.
He can't even do what the original Ronaldo did.
You don't see him double or triple marked like the others were because teams know that he can't do that.
You must be on the wind up?
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
For a player to considered in the conversation for the greatest of the great, they have to be able to beat an opponent, to fool them and ghost past them as if they were not there.
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Zidane and Ronadinho could all do it.
Messi can do it.
Other players who are not in the conversation for the greatest of all time could do it. John Barnes, George Best.
Cristiano Ronaldo can't do it.
It's a rather significant failing for somebody who wants to be considered in the conversation.
Here's 10 minutes worth of clips of him doing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgpSeoJUZCg
Using pace to outrun people is not beating a man. It's outsprinting them.
Ronaldo simply cannot do what Messi does or what Maradona or Pele or Ronadinho did.
He can't even do what the original Ronaldo did.
You don't see him double or triple marked like the others were because teams know that he can't do that.
Running past someone is not beating a man. Christ almighty I've heard it all now.
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
The current 2 play in a time that you cant tackle from behind to get the ball! Defenders were hard hitting then and if messi and ronaldo played back then they would score half the goals they do now! The younger generation dont remember Maradona enough but he took Napoli that had won f**k all before and nothing since he left, to glory in a time every superstar in the world played in Italian football
I wonder the age of some posters. To say Pele was the best but having seen what? a few clips on tv? That's ludicrous. Not many games were televised in the 1960s never mind Brazilian ones. At that rate why not have Stanley Matthews in the top 3?
Pele was around long after Stanley Mathews. Now ure being daft
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
The current 2 play in a time that you cant tackle from behind to get the ball! Defenders were hard hitting then and if messi and ronaldo played back then they would score half the goals they do now! The younger generation dont remember Maradona enough but he took Napoli that had won f**k all before and nothing since he left, to glory in a time every superstar in the world played in Italian football
I wonder the age of some posters. To say Pele was the best but having seen what? a few clips on tv? That's ludicrous. Not many games were televised in the 1960s never mind Brazilian ones. At that rate why not have Stanley Matthews in the top 3?
Pele was around long after Stanley Mathews. Now ure being daft
Bloody madness mentioning Stanley Matthews alright when we all know the Dixie Dean is the top top top England player ever produced.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 22, 2018, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
The current 2 play in a time that you cant tackle from behind to get the ball! Defenders were hard hitting then and if messi and ronaldo played back then they would score half the goals they do now! The younger generation dont remember Maradona enough but he took Napoli that had won f**k all before and nothing since he left, to glory in a time every superstar in the world played in Italian football
I wonder the age of some posters. To say Pele was the best but having seen what? a few clips on tv? That's ludicrous. Not many games were televised in the 1960s never mind Brazilian ones. At that rate why not have Stanley Matthews in the top 3?
Pele was around long after Stanley Mathews. Now ure being daft
Bloody madness mentioning Stanley Matthews alright when we all know the Dixie Dean is the top top top England player ever produced.
Rubbish. Cliff Bastin!!
By the way I don't get Naymar
...but were told Naymar is world class. Last World Cup he was a joke as well... the bollox of a bluffer fell over
VAR delivered big time there. Costa Rica would have been eliminated on a wrong call in any other WC.
Neymar is a spoofer.
Feck - poor Costa Rica
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 22, 2018, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2018, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2018, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
The current 2 play in a time that you cant tackle from behind to get the ball! Defenders were hard hitting then and if messi and ronaldo played back then they would score half the goals they do now! The younger generation dont remember Maradona enough but he took Napoli that had won f**k all before and nothing since he left, to glory in a time every superstar in the world played in Italian football
I wonder the age of some posters. To say Pele was the best but having seen what? a few clips on tv? That's ludicrous. Not many games were televised in the 1960s never mind Brazilian ones. At that rate why not have Stanley Matthews in the top 3?
Pele was around long after Stanley Mathews. Now ure being daft
Bloody madness mentioning Stanley Matthews alright when we all know the Dixie Dean is the top top top England player ever produced.
Rubbish. Cliff Bastin!!
There'll never be another Len Shackleton
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 22, 2018, 02:47:29 PM
Neymar is a spoofer.
Feck - poor Costa Rica
Some performance by the spoofer.
Still not convinced by Brazil. The tournament is still wide open. Engerlund could bring it home.
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2018, 02:53:48 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 22, 2018, 02:47:29 PM
Neymar is a spoofer.
Feck - poor Costa Rica
Some performance by the spoofer.
Left just before he scored. He's a bluffer
Jesus hes a wee cnut hi. Hard boy to like. Does fcuk all other than dive and girn then when they go one up starts the showboatin
Neymar is a little treat twat. That's not news to anyone.
He's also clearly one of the best footballers on the planet. Pretending otherwise is absolutely daft.
The difference between the relish Ronaldo takes from being the guy for his national team and the sheer weight that looks to be on Messi's shoulders when playing for Argentina is what separates the two greats of the modern game. And I think the question of which one is the greatest is starting to answer itself.
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Still not convinced by Brazil. The tournament is still wide open. Engerlund could bring it home.
Have that feeling myself so much so that I stuck a few quid on them. Although the small stake would never be enough to ease the pain of having to listen to them!
I can easily see them making the semis.
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Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Still not convinced by Brazil. The tournament is still wide open. Engerlund could bring it home.
Have that feeling myself so much so that I stuck a few quid on them. Although the small stake would never be enough to ease the pain of having to listen to them!
I can easily see them making the semis.
You've been watching a different tournament to me if you think England have much of a chance. It's not rare for the good teams to start slowly in these competitions. The same five or six will still be in the QFs when all is said and done.
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2018, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2018, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Still not convinced by Brazil. The tournament is still wide open. Engerlund could bring it home.
Have that feeling myself so much so that I stuck a few quid on them. Although the small stake would never be enough to ease the pain of having to listen to them!
I can easily see them making the semis.
You've been watching a different tournament to me if you think England have much of a chance. It's not rare for the good teams to start slowly in these competitions. The same five or six will still be in the QFs when all is said and done.
Fingers crossed.
If rumours are to be believed an Sterling is dropped I think it's good news for England, shows that Southgate could see he was rubbish v Tunisia and also has the balls to drop him. I think things might be different for England this tournament, in previous years egos were all trying to be managed, they had a wealth of talent but managers invariably went for big name players played slightly out of position rather than play a lesser light in his strongest position.
Early days obviously but they've a decent chance of success, semis at least likely imo. Their Achilles heel is the defence, Walker, Stones & Maguire are all potential bombscares. Think they'll be a much better team without Sterling (or if he's played it should be as a winger).
Nigeria bate the fishfingers.
good news for Argentina
https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/soccer/world-cup/9731/tables/
Can't believe all this talk of football greats and none of you have mentioned Terry Phelan😎
Quote from: bennydorano on June 22, 2018, 05:01:11 PM
If rumours are to be believed an Sterling is dropped I think it's good news for England, shows that Southgate could see he was rubbish v Tunisia and also has the balls to drop him. I think things might be different for England this tournament, in previous years egos were all trying to be managed, they had a wealth of talent but managers invariably went for big name players played slightly out of position rather than play a lesser light in his strongest position.
Early days obviously but they've a decent chance of success, semis at least likely imo. Their Achilles heel is the defence, Walker, Stones & Maguire are all potential bombscares. Think they'll be a much better team without Sterling (or if he's played it should be as a winger).
Sterling is a good athlete but isn't a footballer. England are an average side who are well managed at the moment. They can bully weak teams with their athleticism, pace and baility to press but when they come up against any decent technical team they'll be found out.
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2018, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 22, 2018, 05:01:11 PM
If rumours are to be believed an Sterling is dropped I think it's good news for England, shows that Southgate could see he was rubbish v Tunisia and also has the balls to drop him. I think things might be different for England this tournament, in previous years egos were all trying to be managed, they had a wealth of talent but managers invariably went for big name players played slightly out of position rather than play a lesser light in his strongest position.
Early days obviously but they've a decent chance of success, semis at least likely imo. Their Achilles heel is the defence, Walker, Stones & Maguire are all potential bombscares. Think they'll be a much better team without Sterling (or if he's played it should be as a winger).
Sterling is a good athlete but isn't a footballer. England are an average side who are well managed at the moment. They can bully weak teams with their athleticism, pace and baility to press but when they come up against any decent technical team they'll be found out.
Sterling is pretty clearly a better footballer than the likes of Rashford or Vardy. It's hard to stand out in such an average outfit as England's current team.
That was the best game of this World cup so far. Fitting that Shaqiri scored the winning goal as he was the best player on the pitch 2nd half.
Set up nicely for Serbia to put overrated Brazil and Naymar on the plane home
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 22, 2018, 08:53:39 PM
That was the best game of this World cup so far. Fitting that Shaqiri scored the winning goal as he was the best player on the pitch 2nd half.
It was a Balkan derby. Over half the Swiss ream are Kosovars, Macedonians etc
Two ethnic Albanians with the goals and Xhaka with a double eagle celebration. His father was imprisoned for three years fire protesting against Milosevic.
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2018, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2018, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 22, 2018, 05:01:11 PM
If rumours are to be believed an Sterling is dropped I think it's good news for England, shows that Southgate could see he was rubbish v Tunisia and also has the balls to drop him. I think things might be different for England this tournament, in previous years egos were all trying to be managed, they had a wealth of talent but managers invariably went for big name players played slightly out of position rather than play a lesser light in his strongest position.
Early days obviously but they've a decent chance of success, semis at least likely imo. Their Achilles heel is the defence, Walker, Stones & Maguire are all potential bombscares. Think they'll be a much better team without Sterling (or if he's played it should be as a winger).
Sterling is a good athlete but isn't a footballer. England are an average side who are well managed at the moment. They can bully weak teams with their athleticism, pace and baility to press but when they come up against any decent technical team they'll be found out.
Sterling is pretty clearly a better footballer than the likes of Rashford or Vardy. It's hard to stand out in such an average outfit as England's current team.
A better winger but not a better striker.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on June 22, 2018, 06:17:01 PM
Can't believe all this talk of football greats and none of you have mentioned Terry Phelan😎
To be fair, not even in his wildest dreams has Cristiano Ronaldo ever been capable of scoring a goal as good as this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBjWbj0MQU
Quote from: bennydorano on June 22, 2018, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2018, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2018, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 22, 2018, 05:01:11 PM
If rumours are to be believed an Sterling is dropped I think it's good news for England, shows that Southgate could see he was rubbish v Tunisia and also has the balls to drop him. I think things might be different for England this tournament, in previous years egos were all trying to be managed, they had a wealth of talent but managers invariably went for big name players played slightly out of position rather than play a lesser light in his strongest position.
Early days obviously but they've a decent chance of success, semis at least likely imo. Their Achilles heel is the defence, Walker, Stones & Maguire are all potential bombscares. Think they'll be a much better team without Sterling (or if he's played it should be as a winger).
Sterling is a good athlete but isn't a footballer. England are an average side who are well managed at the moment. They can bully weak teams with their athleticism, pace and baility to press but when they come up against any decent technical team they'll be found out.
Sterling is pretty clearly a better footballer than the likes of Rashford or Vardy. It's hard to stand out in such an average outfit as England's current team.
A better winger but not a better striker.
But he's being played as a CAM?
He looked totally lost in his central role - off Kane.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 22, 2018, 10:30:47 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on June 22, 2018, 06:17:01 PM
Can't believe all this talk of football greats and none of you have mentioned Terry Phelan😎
To be fair, not even in his wildest dreams has Cristiano Ronaldo ever been capable of scoring a goal as good as this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBjWbj0MQU
No one tried to tackle him :D
What a goal.
Did it win goal of the month or season?
I absolutely love that Xhaka and Shaquri stuck it to the Serbs. Poetic justice.
Who would you like to "stick it to" the Croats?
Quote from: gallsman on June 22, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
Two ethnic Albanians with the goals and Xhaka with a double eagle celebration. His father was imprisoned for three years fire protesting against Milosevic.
The Serb fans were whistling the 2 all match.
Kosovo v Serbia is very strong
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/23/xhaka-and-shaqiri-goal-celebrations-bring-balkan-politics-to-world-cup
The celebrations were great and all but how Mitrovic didn't get a penalty off VAR I'll never know. Both teams have looked good and Serbia will definitely put it up to Brazil.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 03:40:59 AM
I absolutely love that Xhaka and Shaquri stuck it to the Serbs. Poetic justice.
You sir are a hypocrite then re Gaza
Quote from: rrhf on June 23, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 03:40:59 AM
I absolutely love that Xhaka and Shaquri stuck it to the Serbs. Poetic justice.
You sir are a hypocrite then re Gaza
Completely. Normal Serbian families have had their land stolen and been driven out of the areas they and their families have spent their entire lives. We are not talking about Serbian politicians or military officers here. Normal people.
I really wish all this stuff would stay out of sport.
Quote from: ziggy90 on June 23, 2018, 06:41:02 AM
Who would you like to "stick it to" the Croats?
Turkey didn't qualify
Croatian team celebrate victory with a sing song
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/dejan-lovren-fascist-nazi-collaborator-ustase-song-bojna-cavoglave/
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 23, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 03:40:59 AM
I absolutely love that Xhaka and Shaquri stuck it to the Serbs. Poetic justice.
You sir are a hypocrite then re Gaza
Completely. Normal Serbian families have had their land stolen and been driven out of the areas they and their families have spent their entire lives. We are not talking about Serbian politicians or military officers here. Normal people.
I really wish all this stuff would stay out of sport.
If the two of ye can't see the difference between someone who was born in Kosovo sticking it to Sebia after scoring a goal to beat them at the WC and a lad in the crowd in the north trying to tie their 'struggle' to the Palestinians' by waving a flag, I don't really have any desire to discuss it further because it's going to be a complete waste of time.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 23, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 03:40:59 AM
I absolutely love that Xhaka and Shaquri stuck it to the Serbs. Poetic justice.
You sir are a hypocrite then re Gaza
Completely. Normal Serbian families have had their land stolen and been driven out of the areas they and their families have spent their entire lives. We are not talking about Serbian politicians or military officers here. Normal people.
I really wish all this stuff would stay out of sport.
If the two of ye can't see the difference between someone who was born in Kosovo sticking it to Sebia after scoring a goal to beat them at the WC and a lad in the crowd in the north trying to tie their 'struggle' to the Palestinians' by waving a flag, I don't really have any desire to discuss it further because it's going to be a complete waste of time.
Oh I can see the difference. I just can't see how you can "absolutely love" it. It has no place in sport.
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 23, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 03:40:59 AM
I absolutely love that Xhaka and Shaquri stuck it to the Serbs. Poetic justice.
You sir are a hypocrite then re Gaza
Completely. Normal Serbian families have had their land stolen and been driven out of the areas they and their families have spent their entire lives. We are not talking about Serbian politicians or military officers here. Normal people.
I really wish all this stuff would stay out of sport.
If the two of ye can't see the difference between someone who was born in Kosovo sticking it to Sebia after scoring a goal to beat them at the WC and a lad in the crowd in the north trying to tie their 'struggle' to the Palestinians' by waving a flag, I don't really have any desire to discuss it further because it's going to be a complete waste of time.
Oh I can see the difference. I just can't see how you can "absolutely love" it. It has no place in sport.
I'd argue this sort of nationalism is absolutely intrinsic to international soccer.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 23, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 03:40:59 AM
I absolutely love that Xhaka and Shaquri stuck it to the Serbs. Poetic justice.
You sir are a hypocrite then re Gaza
Completely. Normal Serbian families have had their land stolen and been driven out of the areas they and their families have spent their entire lives. We are not talking about Serbian politicians or military officers here. Normal people.
I really wish all this stuff would stay out of sport.
If the two of ye can't see the difference between someone who was born in Kosovo sticking it to Sebia after scoring a goal to beat them at the WC and a lad in the crowd in the north trying to tie their 'struggle' to the Palestinians' by waving a flag, I don't really have any desire to discuss it further because it's going to be a complete waste of time.
Oh I can see the difference. I just can't see how you can "absolutely love" it. It has no place in sport.
I'd argue this sort of nationalism is absolutely intrinsic to international soccer.
No problem in pride of place. You're right that it's damn important. But they are representing Switzerland and dont make that celebration playing against anyone else. It was premeditated no matter what the players may have said afterwards about "emotion". The Serbs are no angels either of course and some of the pre match comments from their camp were unnecessary at best.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 23, 2018, 12:18:59 PM
Croatian team celebrate victory with a sing song
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/dejan-lovren-fascist-nazi-collaborator-ustase-song-bojna-cavoglave/
"Thompson gun"? Pride of place and culture? Remind you of anywhere?
Poor auld batshuayi couldn't buy a goal here.
Lovely goal. The Germans are in trouble....
How on earth did Sweden not get a penalty? What's the point in VAR the big teams are given a free ride?
Unreal. Never write off the Germans....
f**k that
Some goal.
Great game. The camera man played a blinder tonight also picking out some top talent in the crowd.
Fantastic 10 men and they were creating chance after chance. The swedes need to take a good look at themselves the way they blew that in the last 10 minutes
The free was in a very dangerous position and should had mire defenders in the wall
Could have a team failing to qualify having got 6 points.
That was one of the all-time great goals. Utterly sublime.
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 08:57:38 PM
Could have a team failing to qualify having got 6 points.
Yeah. Mexico Sweden and Germany could all end up on 6 points.
https://www.google.ie/amp/www.goal.com/en/amp/news/world-cup-group-stage-tie-breakers-rules-what-happens-when-teams-/olh39ph3hunh1w1zdmhp3osft
Quote from: laoislad on June 23, 2018, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2018, 08:57:38 PM
Could have a team failing to qualify having got 6 points.
Yeah. Mexico Sweden and Germany could all end up on 6 points.
https://www.google.ie/amp/www.goal.com/en/amp/news/world-cup-group-stage-tie-breakers-rules-what-happens-when-teams-/olh39ph3hunh1w1zdmhp3osft
If Sweden beat Mexico by 1 goal then we will probably see a draw from a hat!
Are positions decided firstly on goal difference?
Jumped the gun on a draw from a hat. Should have read the link first! Didn't realise they use head to head. In fact, fair play points come before a draw.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2018, 09:13:27 PM
Are positions decided firstly on goal difference?
Yes
Here are the possibilities in the Mexico-Germany-Sweden-South Korea Group. Nobody is officially out, or officially through to last 16 after two games.
- Mexico need a point vs. Sweden to go through and top the group.
- Sweden must better Germany's result to guarantee qualifying. If they beat Mexico and Germany fail to win, Sweden will top the group.
- Germany must better Sweden's result to guarantee qualifying.
- If both Germany and Sweden draw, the team in the higher-scoring game will finish second. If both draws are the same scoreline, Germany finish second on head to head.
- South Korea must beat Germany and hope Sweden lose to Mexico to have a chance of qualifying.
THREE-WAY TIE FOR FIRST AND SECOND
- If Sweden and Germany win they will finish level on six points with Mexico, and it will first come down to goal difference.
- Sweden are through in all scenarios.
- If Sweden win by two or more goals then Germany are guaranteed to qualify with any win (Mexico out)
- If Germany win by two or more goals then Sweden are through with any win (Mexico out)
- If both Germany and Sweden win by two goals they are both through (Mexico out)
- If both Germany and Sweden win 1-0 the three teams would have identical records and it would go to head-to-head mini-league, and this would see Germany and Sweden through on goals scored (with Germany top on direct head to head with Sweden) and Mexico out.
- If both Germany and Sweden win 2-1 (or any higher one-goal identical margin of victory) then Sweden would win the group, Mexico in second and Germany third on head to head goals scored
- The only other way Mexico can go through, at the expense of Germany, if is both games are won by one goal, but Mexico's defeat against Sweden is a higher-scoring game.
- If Sweden win by one goal, and Germany win by one goal but in a high-scoring game, Germany win the group with Sweden in second and Mexico out
THREE-WAY TIE FOR SECOND
- If South Korea win and Sweden lose there will be a three-way tie for second on three points for Germany, Sweden and South Korea. It will first come down to goal difference.
- If South Korea beat Germany by two goals they are guaranteed to finish second
- If South Korea beat Germany 1-0 and Sweden lose 1-0 to Mexico, Germany would be second on direct head to head against Sweden with South Korea bottom
- If South Korea beat Germany by a higher-scoring one-goal margin than Sweden lose to Mexico, then South Korea would finish second on direct head to head against Germany with Sweden bottom
- If Sweden lose by more than one goal they cannot qualify, and South Korea would therefore finish second with any victory
I think it is advantage Germany in the race for second place. They play Korea who have lost both games. Germany will be looking to win by 2 clear goals to guarantee progress.
South Korea won't beat Germany so all the above is a load of bollocks.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 24, 2018, 12:08:53 AM
South Korea won't beat Germany so all the above is a load of bollocks.
Or a load of Tony Baloney...
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/23/toni-kroos-germany-sweden-world-cup-match-report
Germany had stepped on to the front foot at the outset, squeezing up the field, with their full-backs pinned high. They took an early grip on possession, with one statistic showing they made 122 passes in the opening 10 minutes to Sweden's six.
The worry for Löw was how threatening Sweden came to look on the counterattack and how easily they carved apart his team. It was extraordinary to see a German defence in such open and obliging mood. It was no exaggeration to say the game could have been over at the interval.
Fifa have opened a disciplinary procedure against Xhaka and Shakiri after their political gestures on Friday .
Die FIFA hat ein Disziplinarverfahren gegen Granit Xhaka und Xherdan Shaqiri eröffnet. Grund dafür ist der Jubel der beiden Schweizer Nationalspieler im Spiel gegen Serbien. Auch Serbien-Coach Mladen Krstajic hat Ärger am Hals.
Jaysus, that Panama team are dung.
England's inevitable flop is going to be extra sweet this year.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
Jaysus, that Panama team are dung.
Imagine the shit that's going to qualify for 2026 with 9 additional non European teams.
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2018, 01:48:02 PM
England's inevitable flop is going to be extra sweet this year.
What do you reckon constitutes a flop for them? I reckon 1/4 final is par. And most of what I've read in English media realises that. I wouldn't take the BBC studio as the pulse of their nation. Just like I wouldn't do it for Brexit :P
Every corner should pretty much translate to a penalty based on the first half.
Quote from: shark on June 24, 2018, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2018, 01:48:02 PM
England's inevitable flop is going to be extra sweet this year.
What do you reckon constitutes a flop for them? I reckon 1/4 final is par. And most of what I've read in English media realises that. I wouldn't take the BBC studio as the pulse of their nation. Just like I wouldn't do it for Brexit :P
Last 16/QF and being well beaten is always a flop for the hype England generate. After these two scoreines and, who knows, maybe a draw against a disinterested Belgian team, the hype will hit maximum overdrive. Which is why losing to a Poland or Columbia will be so deflating. It's beautiful to watch.
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2018, 02:04:06 PM
Quote from: shark on June 24, 2018, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2018, 01:48:02 PM
England's inevitable flop is going to be extra sweet this year.
What do you reckon constitutes a flop for them? I reckon 1/4 final is par. And most of what I've read in English media realises that. I wouldn't take the BBC studio as the pulse of their nation. Just like I wouldn't do it for Brexit :P
Last 16/QF and being well beaten is always a flop for the hype England generate. After these two scoreines and, who knows, maybe a draw against a disinterested Belgian team, the hype will hit maximum overdrive. Which is why losing to a Poland or Columbia will be so deflating. It's beautiful to watch.
Losing to Poland or Colombia would certainly be a flop, agree with you there. Simply because their quality means they should do better than that. Not so sure a 1/4 final defeat to a top quality team would be though. The players don't generate the hype. Don't see them getting beyond the 1/4. And don't think they'll get a point off Belgium either.
I'd fancy either Colombia to beat England tbh. Poland maybe, if they get their act together after the last day.
Well done to Panama drew that 2nd half 1-1 against the World champions elect.
Damo has been pretty good on the panel since he came on board.
I hope England win it - mainly to annoy the soccer heads who refer to Man U, Liverpool etc as their team, but where their team mates are playing in white they hate them. ::)
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 24, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
I hope England win it - mainly to annoy the soccer heads who refer to Man U, Liverpool etc as their team, but where their team mates are playing in white they hate them. ::)
I'm sure you're a Sligo Rovers season ticket holder yourself alright.
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2018, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 24, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
I hope England win it - mainly to annoy the soccer heads who refer to Man U, Liverpool etc as their team, but where their team mates are playing in white they hate them. ::)
I'm sure you're a Sligo Rovers season ticket holder yourself alright.
No I don't "support" any soccer team, 90 minutes 0-0 with multi millionaires lying down when someone looks at them is not my idea of a sport!
This Japanese team are fun to watch.
Just switched over to RTE 2. Dietmar Hamann has better and clearer English than Stephanie Roche.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
Just switched over to RTE 2. Dietmar Hamann has better and clearer English than Stephanie Roche.
Wow. Just wow. She clearly has a dry throat or a cold. Captain Obvious missing the blindingly obvious, managing to be an arse in the process.
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2018, 06:07:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
Just switched over to RTE 2. Dietmar Hamann has better and clearer English than Stephanie Roche.
Wow. Just wow. She clearly has a dry throat or a cold. Captain Obvious missing the blindingly obvious.
You and her needs to...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ac7MA7r5IMYda/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2018, 06:10:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2018, 06:07:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
Just switched over to RTE 2. Dietmar Hamann has better and clearer English than Stephanie Roche.
Wow. Just wow. She clearly has a dry throat or a cold. Captain Obvious missing the blindingly obvious.
You and her needs to...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ac7MA7r5IMYda/giphy.gif)
The inability to show contrition isn't surprising from you.
Delighted to have an ew wedge on Engerland. It's very open.
Please, just do her a favour and cut her adrift. Feel for her.
Quote from: mouview on June 24, 2018, 06:46:54 PM
Please, just do her a favour and cut her adrift. Feel for her.
She's clearly sick. Surely they could just have had her switch for another night.
Felt sorry for her. She's obviously got a sore throat or something.
I thought Han Solo's sister was on the panel as well this year. Did they change their mind on her?
Slaven Bilic is excellent in his analysis. Surprised he hasn't been given another premiership job.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 24, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
Delighted to have an ew wedge on Engerland. It's very open.
Do they have to make final?
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
If they know their stuff, I don't see a problem.
Colombia bringing plenty of colour to WC
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Poland have been dire about the only European team to stink the place out even Iceland had more about them
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Eni Aluko has been on of the best panelists on UK TV, as has Alex Scott on BBC. Showing up twats like Evra who just rock up with no research done whatsoever. Nothing token about them at all.
Colombia are a nice team to watch. Their supporters are even better. :P
Quote from: gallsman on June 24, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Eni Aluko has been on of the best panelists on UK TV, as has Alex Scott on BBC. Showing up t**ts like Evra who just rock up with no research done whatsoever. Nothing token about them at all.
Their general standard is much higher as they won't get a job of the back of being an ex player but have to earn it. A few of them have been very good. A few of their male counterparts not so much.
On the subject of women there were nearly more shots of women in the crowd than of the football lol.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2018, 09:05:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 24, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Eni Aluko has been on of the best panelists on UK TV, as has Alex Scott on BBC. Showing up t**ts like Evra who just rock up with no research done whatsoever. Nothing token about them at all.
Their general standard is much higher as they won't get a job of the back of being an ex player but have to earn it. A few of them have been very good. A few of their male counterparts not so much.
On the subject of women there were nearly more shots of women in the crowd than of the football lol.
More of this please.....
(https://preview.ibb.co/dxLkh8/Poland.png)
Quote from: gallsman on June 24, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Eni Aluko has been on of the best panelists on UK TV, as has Alex Scott on BBC. Showing up t**ts like Evra who just rock up with no research done whatsoever. Nothing token about them at all.
Agree with this. Aluko has been excellent.
Been an enjoyable WC so far. No 0-0's. Some teams are poor but then it gives us a drubbing in the group stage which is fun to watch. Like all tournaments, the groups are just a prelude to the real football in the do or die knockout rounds.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Two horrendous cave-dwelling posts that only two posts even saw enough of a issue to comment on. And then Laoislad posts some juvenile tits and ass stuff at the worst possible moment just to show his lack of awareness. Sometimes I despair for the state of this board.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2018, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Two horrendous cave-dwelling posts that only two posts even saw enough of a issue to comment on. And then Laoislad posts some juvenile tits and ass stuff at the worst possible moment just to show his lack of awareness. Sometimes I despair for the state of this board.
Completely agree with the above part in bold, for different reasons ;)
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2018, 10:38:03 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 10:28:07 AM
Some teams are poor but then it gives us a drubbing in the group stage which is fun to watch.
Do 2 people post from the one account?
I don't follow?
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2018, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Two horrendous cave-dwelling posts that only two posts even saw enough of a issue to comment on. And then Laoislad posts some juvenile tits and ass stuff at the worst possible moment just to show his lack of awareness. Sometimes I despair for the state of this board.
They look like fully developed tits to me, maybe Laoislad can post some more pictures for closer inspection.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2018, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Two horrendous cave-dwelling posts that only two posts even saw enough of a issue to comment on. And then Laoislad posts some juvenile tits and ass stuff at the worst possible moment just to show his lack of awareness. Sometimes I despair for the state of this board.
They look like fully developed tits to me, maybe Laoislad can post some more pictures for closer inspection.
And while he's at it some ass, I don't see any ass in that picture
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Grow up the pair of yiz
The Iranian players are kicking off like a scouser who's been told happy-hour is over! ;D
Spain v morocco is a cracking match. End to end.
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2018, 08:42:50 PM
Ronaldo lucky. How could it be a yellow?
There was nothing in it. Iranian went down as if he was shot.
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Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2018, 08:42:50 PM
Ronaldo lucky. How could it be a yellow?
There was nothing in it. Iranian went down as if he was shot.
Agreed. The yellow should have went to the Iranian for play acting.
Norman Wisdom refereeing 😂
Some controversy in the spain game.
Spain just a bit lucky to top that group.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2018, 08:57:51 PM
Spain just a bit lucky to top that group.
Imagine if the Iranian guy had scored the late chance and put Portugal out. There would have been mayhem.
And people thought VAR would get rid of talking points. Mad. I watched Spain game which was end to end but spent end of game flicking between both. So far a brilliant World Cup.
Is it true var is not for offside decisions?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 25, 2018, 09:06:14 PM
Is it true var is not for offside decisions?
No, quite the contrary. No idea what the linesman was at as every UK commentator spent the first week telling us they were under specific instructions to let VAR sort it out for tight decisions and keep the flag down.
Also, Martin Keown and Guy Mowbray are utter morons. Spent the match going on about how lucky Morocco are and how Spain wouldn't have expected a test. The same Morocco side largely outplayed Portugal last week and were terribly unlucky to lose their opener.
Ronaldo should have been sent off.
Absolutely, clearly threw a punch and partially caught him with it. The fact he didn't land clean and knock your man out doesn't mitigate s clear red card offence.
I'm not sure what it is some of you want from football, but if it's red cards for Ronaldo tonight, then I never wish to lay eyes upon the game that you do want.
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Quote from: shark on June 25, 2018, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2018, 08:42:50 PM
Ronaldo lucky. How could it be a yellow?
There was nothing in it. Iranian went down as if he was shot.
He made contact with his chin. If it was an accidental collision, he shouldn't be booked?
I thought it was deliberate.
It was a bit reckless but not deliberate. Having seen it a few times I felt it was a yellow card and the ref got that one right. Also the handball was correct according to the rule which makes mention of the hand being in an unnatural position. A defender cannot jump for a ball with his arm up in the air behind him as a backstop. Correct decision again and Alaan shearer is a completely useless pundit.
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 25, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
I'm not sure what it is some of you want from football, but if it's red cards for Ronaldo tonight, then I never wish to lay eyes upon the game that you do want.
For me, he deliberately elbowed the fella on the chin. For me, that's a red card.
His path to the ball was being blocked so he wrestled a man out of his way. Flailing body parts tend to follow in these situations, especially if your opppnent mans up a little. As a result the Iranian got a gentle graze; the kind of impact you'd associate with a child poking you with a drinking straw.
When many years ago, they realised they needed sendings off as an ultimate deterrent for foul play, it really wasn't with this in mind.
Unbelievable that anyone would try to say it wasn't intentional ffs. It was blatant!
Also, it's not about what anyone "wants" from the game of football. I of course want to see the best players and the best teams playing each other but not at the expense of the fecking rules. Whether you're Ronaldo or some walt from Panama that nobody has ever heard of, of you commit a red card offence, you should be sent off.
Red all day. If it was the other way round and Ronnie was panned out on the ground i'm convinced a red would've been produced.
Quote from: beer baron on June 25, 2018, 10:55:59 PM
Red all day. If it was the other way round and Ronnie was panned out on the ground i'm convinced a red would've been produced.
Borderline red, borderline handball
Quote from: beer baron on June 25, 2018, 10:55:59 PM
Red all day. If it was the other way round and Ronnie was panned out on the ground i'm convinced a red would've been produced.
Yeah I agree. Ref bottled it because of who it was.
Clear red card.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 25, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
I'm not sure what it is some of you want from football, but if it's red cards for Ronaldo tonight, then I never wish to lay eyes upon the game that you do want.
I don't think anybody was looking for multiple red cards for Ronaldo, just the one.
Which would have been thoroughly deserved.
Ronaldo deserves a red frequently mostly for the sniper roleplay but no way Id have given it for that, the Iranian got what he deserved for obstruction which really wasnt much at all.
Quaresma's was much much worse, more blantant and vendictive to boot...
The fact that we have all seen these incidents multiple times and still can't get anywhere close to concensus just shows why VAR can't possibly take the uncertainty out 100% of the time. So many decisions are open to interpretation and everyone of all views believes they are fully correct. If the only thing that VAR achieves is to clear up the holding and messing for set pieces then it will be worthwhile. Next step is playacting. And I don't mean just diving. Even if a player has been fouled and rolls unnaturally before jumping up once the ref has decided whether to give a card or not. It's a blight.
Harry Redknapp meets Harry Redknapp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YZ7ZZihHHI
Does anyone else think that soccer is a load of shite?
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 26, 2018, 08:33:01 AM
Does anyone else think that soccer is a load of shite?
It can be but is better than Gaelic football these days : (
Just saw the Ronaldo incident now, having read some of the reaction on here and Twitter yesterday. My reaction was "is that it? ". The word harmless springs to mind. The Iranian player should have gotten a card for feigning injury and trying to get another player sent off.
The penalty being given was unbelievable.
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Quote from: beer baron on June 25, 2018, 10:55:59 PM
Red all day. If it was the other way round and Ronnie was panned out on the ground i'm convinced a red would've been produced.
Borderline red, borderline handball
Absolutely, could the Iranian player been booked instead? And no penalty, I would think, hardly deliberate
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 26, 2018, 08:33:01 AM
Does anyone else think that soccer is a load of shite?
Full of overpaid prima donnas who need a good boot up the hole😎
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 26, 2018, 08:33:01 AM
Does anyone else think that soccer is a load of shite?
Yes but comparing it to the sport that is on TV in America its like watching Tyrone Derry '95 every week!
Jacqui Hurley is so much better hosting a panel, putting good questions to them, continuing a thread and prodding when needed than Darragh Maloney or Formula 1 Man that it isn't even funny.
That Messi is shite....
Quote from: laoislad on June 26, 2018, 07:14:52 PM
That Messi is shite....
Puskas never won a World Cup either. Doesn't mean anything
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That Messi is shite....
Puskas never won a World Cup either. Doesn't mean anything
The Portuguese Ronaldo hasn't either.
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That Messi is shite....
Puskas never won a World Cup either. Doesn't mean anything
The Portuguese Ronaldo hasn't either.
He won the best tournament in international soccer, though.
Soft enough penalty there.
Whatever about Messi, Di Maria is a bit of a bollox.
If Argentina go out, they are full value for it.
The big name attackers Di Maria and Higuain. Muck. And Messi not much better to be fair.
Feck some miss. That would have finished it.
Argentina needing a goal 15 minutes to play and Aguero still sitting on the bench WTF?
Higuain is a bit of a bollox too.
As funny as it would be to see argentina go out nigeria are muck meanwhile how have iceland not scored about 5.
Lovely goal. Feel sorry for Nigeria though.
That cameraman had to shift that camera away from maradona quickly ;D
Diego has a Diego moment!
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
That cameraman had to shift that camera away from maradona quickly ;D
Missed that. What happened
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2018, 08:46:54 PM
Diego has a Diego moment!
Him falling asleep in the first half might be the moment of the tournament so far.
Dunno who it was to but his reaction was to give the middle finger, both hands, to someone lol.
Quote from: laoislad on June 26, 2018, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
That cameraman had to shift that camera away from maradona quickly ;D
Missed that. What happened
He was telling the Nigerian fans what the score was before Rojo's goal.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgpF9m_XUAATovG.jpg)
Marcos Rojo Argentina's hero who would have thought that? Have to feel sorry for Nigeria a heartbreaking exit for them.
It must be absolutely mental in Buenos Aires. After They lost to Croatia it looked like they were out.
So 8 of the last 16 teams through, 6 European 2 South American. Somethings just dont change but hey lets spunk another 16 places at the next world cup for garbage teams.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
So 8 of the last 16 teams through, 6 European 2 South American. Somethings just dont change but hey lets spunk another 16 places at the next world cup for garbage teams.
If there going to add teams it needs to be more European teams.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
So 8 of the last 16 teams through, 6 European 2 South American. Somethings just dont change but hey lets spunk another 16 places at the next world cup for garbage teams.
Fifa is like the Catholic church. The developing world has more heads.
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Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Two horrendous cave-dwelling posts that only two posts even saw enough of a issue to comment on. And then Laoislad posts some juvenile tits and ass stuff at the worst possible moment just to show his lack of awareness. Sometimes I despair for the state of this board.
They look like fully developed tits to me, maybe Laoislad can post some more pictures for closer inspection.
And while he's at it some ass, I don't see any ass in that picture
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae24/laoislad1978/IMG_20180626_195255.jpg) (http://s954.photobucket.com/user/laoislad1978/media/IMG_20180626_195255.jpg.html)
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
Don't the wummin have their own World Cup? Why have a female on the panel?
This tokenism is getting obvious now.
Missing a trick with not getting the gay lady player on
Two horrendous cave-dwelling posts that only two posts even saw enough of a issue to comment on. And then Laoislad posts some juvenile tits and ass stuff at the worst possible moment just to show his lack of awareness. Sometimes I despair for the state of this board.
They look like fully developed tits to me, maybe Laoislad can post some more pictures for closer inspection.
And while he's at it some ass, I don't see any ass in that picture
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae24/laoislad1978/IMG_20180626_195255.jpg) (http://s954.photobucket.com/user/laoislad1978/media/IMG_20180626_195255.jpg.html)
Number 7 would make your glass eye water😂
He's well and truly goosed in this video :o
https://twitter.com/GrizzKhan/status/1011705971280961537
One of the most tense nights I've football I think I've ever experienced.
I'll never, ever, ever hear a bad word about a Manchester United centre-half ever again.
Maradona away to hospital after the match
Rojo was allowed just stroll into the box unmarked for the winner. Moses almost got back to him but it was too late.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2018, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
So 8 of the last 16 teams through, 6 European 2 South American. Somethings just dont change but hey lets spunk another 16 places at the next world cup for garbage teams.
Fifa is like the Catholic church. The developing world has more heads.
Isnt all the money though in Europe. If its a numbers game then give one spot to China and one spot to India thats a third of the world covered and the remaining teams can be their on merit and not qualify because geographically the other neighbouring teams are even more of a joke.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 26, 2018, 10:47:51 PM
Maradona away to hospital after the match
Looks in poor health for some time but like Gazza seems to have a circle of "friends" that likes to parade him in public.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on June 26, 2018, 10:47:51 PM
Maradona away to hospital after the match
Looks in poor health for some time but like Gazza seems to have a circle of "friends" that likes to parade him in public.
Yeah, I'm sure it took some serious convincing for him to go to the World Cup, where he is treated like royalty alright.
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2018, 12:39:50 AM
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Quote from: oakleaflad on June 26, 2018, 10:47:51 PM
Maradona away to hospital after the match
Looks in poor health for some time but like Gazza seems to have a circle of "friends" that likes to parade him in public.
Yeah, I'm sure it took some serious convincing for him to go to the World Cup, where he is treated like royalty alright.
Real royalty would convince their king not to appear in public until fit and healthy.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on June 26, 2018, 10:47:51 PM
Maradona away to hospital after the match
Looks in poor health for some time but like Gazza seems to have a circle of "friends" that likes to parade him in public.
Yeah, I'm sure it took some serious convincing for him to go to the World Cup, where he is treated like royalty alright.
Real royalty would convince their king not to appear in public until fit and healthy.
He's Maradona. Everyone knows he has his vices. I'd say he's had too much to drink and needed a drip. Syf I'd say you'd be some craic on a stag party. You're the man that would suggest mini-golf
Diego will always be the real people's champion.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2018, 11:43:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2018, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
So 8 of the last 16 teams through, 6 European 2 South American. Somethings just dont change but hey lets spunk another 16 places at the next world cup for garbage teams.
Fifa is like the Catholic church. The developing world has more heads.
Isnt all the money though in Europe. If its a numbers game then give one spot to China and one spot to India thats a third of the world covered and the remaining teams can be their on merit and not qualify because geographically the other neighbouring teams are even more of a joke.
Maybe it's not about footballl quality. Why is the tournament on in Russià? And next in Qatar ?
1978 had 16 teams and 38 matches
2014 had 32 teams and 64 matches
More teams means more money. 16 teams would weed out a lot of chaff.
The Euros are the same. 8 teams in 1988. Very hard to qualify with a crap team then.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2018, 11:43:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2018, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 26, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
So 8 of the last 16 teams through, 6 European 2 South American. Somethings just dont change but hey lets spunk another 16 places at the next world cup for garbage teams.
Fifa is like the Catholic church. The developing world has more heads.
Isnt all the money though in Europe. If its a numbers game then give one spot to China and one spot to India thats a third of the world covered and the remaining teams can be their on merit and not qualify because geographically the other neighbouring teams are even more of a joke.
Maybe it's not about footballl quality. Why is the tournament on in Russià? And next in Qatar ?
1978 had 16 teams and 38 matches
2014 had 32 teams and 64 matches
More teams means more money. 16 teams would weed out a lot of chaff.
The Euros are the same. 8 teams in 1988. Very hard to qualify with a crap team then.
England had two teams in it and both were rubbish
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Quote from: oakleaflad on June 26, 2018, 10:47:51 PM
Maradona away to hospital after the match
Looks in poor health for some time but like Gazza seems to have a circle of "friends" that likes to parade him in public.
Yeah, I'm sure it took some serious convincing for him to go to the World Cup, where he is treated like royalty alright.
Real royalty would convince their king not to appear in public until fit and healthy.
He's Maradona. Everyone knows he has his vices. I'd say he's had too much to drink and needed a drip. Syf I'd say you'd be some craic on a stag party. You're the man that would suggest mini-golf
Of all the things he had too much of, I'd say drink was the least. He was completely off his rocker. Drink don't do that my friend.
The glass screen in front of him was covered in a white powdery substance with his handprints etc. Unless he was weightlifting at ht..... ;D
Yeah I thought it looked fairly obvious he was off his head on drugs, most likely cocaine.
Argentina always play better in the black shorts. The white ones look shite.
Germany back in the traditional green change strip after f**king about with reds and blacks.
Quote from: hardstation on June 27, 2018, 03:07:21 PM
Alright, Gok Wan.
See myself as more of a Laurence Llewellyn Bowen man.
Germany staring down the barrell!
Ozil has been shocking. His body language is terrible.
Do they need to score twice? The RTE commentators had said they needed to match Swedens result to go through. Sweden are two up.
Quote from: AQMP on June 27, 2018, 04:22:34 PM
Germany staring down the barrell!
Ozil has been shocking. His body language is terrible.
He's a bit of a bollox too. And Werner is hopelessly overrated. How did Sané not make this squad?
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:27:49 PM
Do they need to score twice? The RTE commentators had said they needed to match Swedens result to go through. Sweden are two up.
No, I think if they score once, Mexico will actually be out.
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:27:49 PM
Do they need to score twice? The RTE commentators had said they needed to match Swedens result to go through. Sweden are two up.
BBC are saying that 1-0 to Germany (and 2-0 to Sweden) will send Mexico home.
Quote from: AQMP on June 27, 2018, 04:28:50 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:27:49 PM
Do they need to score twice? The RTE commentators had said they needed to match Swedens result to go through. Sweden are two up.
BBC are saying that 1-0 to Germany (and 2-0 to Sweden) will send Mexico home.
At the moment Mexico's goal difference is -1 (3-0 Sweden now). If Germany score and win, they will have a goal difference of +1 and go through.
Bit of a bollix on Mexico though seeing as they beat Germany. Thought head to head was counted before goal difference, obviously not.
Liverpool are supposed to be interested in Werner. Wouldn't be impressed with him from what I've seen.
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Bit of a bollix on Mexico though seeing as they beat Germany. Thought head to head was counted before goal difference, obviously not.
Liverpool are supposed to be interested in Werner. Wouldn't be impressed with him from what I've seen.
I know we shouldn't judge on WC tournaments (see Diouf,El Hadj) but he looks cack. This Brandt lad that's just come on looked good the last couple of times..
Germany incredibly slow to move the ball. No speed in that team at all. Werner looks out of his depth.
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Bit of a bollix on Mexico though seeing as they beat Germany. Thought head to head was counted before goal difference, obviously not.
Liverpool are supposed to be interested in Werner. Wouldn't be impressed with him from what I've seen.
I think it does unless there are three teams tied on points!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2018, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Bit of a bollix on Mexico though seeing as they beat Germany. Thought head to head was counted before goal difference, obviously not.
Liverpool are supposed to be interested in Werner. Wouldn't be impressed with him from what I've seen.
I think it does unless there are three teams tied on points!
I think that's correct. If Germany win, there will be 3 teams on 6 points, so GD comes in.
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Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Bit of a bollix on Mexico though seeing as they beat Germany. Thought head to head was counted before goal difference, obviously not.
Liverpool are supposed to be interested in Werner. Wouldn't be impressed with him from what I've seen.
I think it does unless there are three teams tied on points!
I think that's correct. If Germany win, there will be 3 teams on 6 points, so GD comes in.
ESPN were talking up Mexico's chances of winning the World Cup a couple days ago..
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2018, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Bit of a bollix on Mexico though seeing as they beat Germany. Thought head to head was counted before goal difference, obviously not.
Liverpool are supposed to be interested in Werner. Wouldn't be impressed with him from what I've seen.
I think it does unless there are three teams tied on points!
Makes sense.
Sweden beat Mexico. Germany beat Sweden and Mexico beat Germany so on head to head they would all knock each other out ;D
Oohhhhhh that hurt :'(
Is sauerkraut a Korean dish?😜
Korea absolutely deserve to win this game.
VAR works and the Germans are gone.
No question there.
The BBC are so happy the Germans are going out :)
Magic😎😎😎
Brilliant. This has been a brilliant World Cup so far.
It's monents like this that make World Cups special. Absolutely beautiful.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
The BBC are so happy the Germans are going out :)
Can't blame them some other team will have to beat England on penalties now.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
The BBC are so happy the Germans are going out :)
Could be their Year! ;D
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
The BBC are so happy the Germans are going out :)
Can't blame them some other team will have to beat England on penalties now.
They've just said that :) "They won't beat England on penalties, they won't be beating anyone" :)
This ref gave Germany nine fûcking minutes to rescue themselves. That's absolutely incredible in itself.
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
This ref gave Germany nine fûcking minutes to rescue themselves. That's absolutely incredible in itself.
Ah in fairness with injuries and the VAR reviews, that's not far off. And I prefer to think he was trying to let Korea score more :)
I'm happy for Mexico too. Don't know what happened them today but they were very good in their other games.
Germany bottom of the group!
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
The BBC are so happy the Germans are going out :)
Could be their Year! ;D
It's certainly opening up the draw for them.
Germany were useless. Muller couldn't kick the ball, they should have left him at home.
Listening to 5Live ....they ar creaming themselves....Chris Sutton loving it!
Since there seems to be confusion as to the tie-breaking rules, here is how it works:
TIEBREAKERS
If two or more teams are level on points, they are separated using this tiebreaker system
1. Goal difference
2. Goals scored
3. Head-to-head points
4. Head-to-head goal difference
5. Head-to-head goals scored
6. Fair play points
7. Drawing of lots
FAIR PLAY SCORING SYSTEM
Yellow card: -1
Red card for two cautions: -3
Straight red card: -4
Yellow card and straight red card: -5
How bad were Germany though, watching the first game v Mexico i thought there was something amiss, no fight or togetherness and a Team that bristled with youth in Brazil looked old. Goes without saying Low is a dead man walking. Did the Sane thing cause a row? To be fair the fella they took in his place Brandt looked excellent when they actually played him.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 24, 2018, 12:08:53 AM
South Korea won't beat Germany so all the above is a load of bollocks.
Good man Tony.
Just to help out, here are the scenarios for qualifying from Group E:
GROUP E
- Brazil need a point against Serbia to guarantee their place, and will also go through in second with a defeat if Switzerland also lose by the same margin or greater.
- Switzerland need a point against Costa Rica to secure their place but will also go through with a defeat if Serbia lose to Brazil. Should Switzerland lose by one goal and Serbia draw, it will go to goals scored. If the teams finish with identical records, then Switzerland would go through on head-to-head. If Switzerland are beaten by two goals, they can qualify only if Serbia lose.
- If both Brazil and Switzerland win or lose, they might need to be separated by disciplinary record or drawing of lots for top spot or second as the head-to-head is 1-1. This would happen, for instance, if Brazil won 2-1 and Switzerland won 2-0 for top spot, or for second position if Brazil lost 2-0 and Switzerland lost 1-0.
- Current yellow cards: Brazil 3, Switzerland 4
- Serbia will definitely qualify with a win, and could go through with a draw as noted.
- Costa Rica have been eliminated.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 27, 2018, 05:09:11 PM
Since there seems to be confusion as to the tie-breaking rules, here is how it works:
TIEBREAKERS
If two or more teams are level on points, they are separated using this tiebreaker system
1. Goal difference
2. Goals scored
3. Head-to-head points
4. Head-to-head goal difference
5. Head-to-head goals scored
6. Fair play points
7. Drawing of lots
FAIR PLAY SCORING SYSTEM
Yellow card: -1
Red card for two cautions: -3
Straight red card: -4
Yellow card and straight red card: -5
Exactly, H2H never comes before goal difference or goals scored.
Other than 1966 this is the first time that England have ever done better at a World Cup than Germany.
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
It's monents like this that make World Cups special. Absolutely beautiful.
Moments like that makes cup competitions special. A pity GAA heads at HQ think its best to stop underdogs from having their day in the sun.
So what are the possible second round, QF games for Blighty ? Isn't the Colombia/Poland group the second round game ?
Quote from: dec on June 27, 2018, 05:17:44 PM
Other than 1966 this is the first time that England have ever done better at a World Cup than Germany.
First time since 2004 that they've lasted longer in a tournament than Germany but that was the euros.
Quote from: Minder on June 27, 2018, 05:34:26 PM
So what are the possible second round, QF games for Blighty ? Isn't the Colombia/Poland group the second round game ?
Yes. But Poland are gone and Colombia might not make it either.
Quote from: shark on June 27, 2018, 05:43:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 27, 2018, 05:34:26 PM
So what are the possible second round, QF games for Blighty ? Isn't the Colombia/Poland group the second round game ?
Yes. But Poland are gone and Colombia might not make it either.
England are at the very bottom of the draw. They will play either Senegal, Japan or Colombia in the last 16. If they win their group and the last 16 game they will play either Mexico or Brazil in the quarters
If they come second in the group and win their last 16 game, they will play either Sweden or Switzerland in the quarters.
Updated. Seems the smart move is to come second in the group??
Funny old football world. The Swedes were very brónach after Kronos scored the last day.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
Funny old football world. The Swedes were very brónach after Kronos scored the last day.
Yeah a bit of schadenfreude as apparently a few German officials were not very gracious towards Sweden
Move over Kildare! I bigger news today than going to newbridge@Germany on the way home!
Hard hit on Neymar there but did he have to really roll over 5 times
Neymar is a tool and his play acting is enough reason to want to see Brazil go out asap
The cameraman will be permanently pitching a tent during Monday's game...best women on the screen so far have been the luscious Brazilians and the fiery Mexicans....hope you've a splash guard for the TV screen Syf, think we'll all need it.
Neymar wants everything to be about him, always has, he wants to be the star and has to do an outside of the foot flick when a simple pass is on. Neymar and gabriel jesus havent fired yet and if they do brazil will take a bit of beating.
Quote from: Minder on June 27, 2018, 05:34:26 PM
So what are the possible second round, QF games for Blighty ? Isn't the Colombia/Poland group the second round game ?
England should want to lose, easier route to semis
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 27, 2018, 09:04:34 PM
The cameraman will be permanently pitching a tent during Monday's game...best women on the screen so far have been the luscious Brazilians and the fiery Mexicans....hope you've a splash guard for the TV screen Syf, think we'll all need it.
Brilliant. Laughed out loud at that one.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 27, 2018, 11:15:55 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 27, 2018, 09:04:34 PM
The cameraman will be permanently pitching a tent during Monday's game...best women on the screen so far have been the luscious Brazilians and the fiery Mexicans....hope you've a splash guard for the TV screen Syf, think we'll all need it.
Brilliant. Laughed out loud at that one.
Wild craic altogether ::)
Very interesting for the usual suspects. Italy didn't even make it. Germany are out. Argentina are poor. Brazil are underwhelming.
It's a great opportunity for a second rank team to win the tournament .
Bit of Zip in the Brazilians step last night, probably more so after the Germans made their exit. Definitely a big chance for a 2nd Tier nation to win it, Croatia still a huge 14/1. Uruguay impressive group winners who barely pick up column inches in any WC report - with one of the meanest defences and most potent strikeforces, have to be worth watching. Have England ew from early doors.
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 08:10:17 AM
Very interesting for the usual suspects. Italy didn't even make it. Germany are out. Argentina are poor. Brazil are underwhelming.
It's a great opportunity for a second rank team to win the tournament .
If Belgium really are 'it' they will never have a better chance.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 08:10:17 AM
Very interesting for the usual suspects. Italy didn't even make it. Germany are out. Argentina are poor. Brazil are underwhelming.
It's a great opportunity for a second rank team to win the tournament .
If Belgium really are 'it' they will never have a better chance.
The Tier-1 teams appear to have forgotten how to defend, and the Tier-2 teams appear to have forgotten how to attack. Of them all, so far, only Brazil look like they can go through the gears ... sadly.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 08:10:17 AM
Very interesting for the usual suspects. Italy didn't even make it. Germany are out. Argentina are poor. Brazil are underwhelming.
It's a great opportunity for a second rank team to win the tournament .
If Belgium really are 'it' they will never have a better chance.
Which team is Leicester and which is Tottenham ? I think Belgium have a few Spurs players
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 28, 2018, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 08:10:17 AM
Very interesting for the usual suspects. Italy didn't even make it. Germany are out. Argentina are poor. Brazil are underwhelming.
It's a great opportunity for a second rank team to win the tournament .
If Belgium really are 'it' they will never have a better chance.
The Tier-1 teams appear to have forgotten how to defend, and the Tier-2 teams appear to have forgotten how to attack. Of them all, so far, only Brazil look like they can go through the gears ... sadly.
Brazil look to be slowly getting into gear...very slowly admittedly.
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 09:51:52 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 08:10:17 AM
Very interesting for the usual suspects. Italy didn't even make it. Germany are out. Argentina are poor. Brazil are underwhelming.
It's a great opportunity for a second rank team to win the tournament .
If Belgium really are 'it' they will never have a better chance.
Which team is Leicester and which is Tottenham ? I think Belgium have a few Spurs players
England may be Leicester. (Gulp)
I've been impressed with Croatia, Uruguay (although I get the feeling this is the wrong tournament for the dour, solid team winning 1-0), Belgium
I've been noting the potential to kick on, but haven't been overly impressive so far, of Brazil, Spain & France
The 'could make a run' teams for me are Portugal, Mexico, Columbia, Switzerland and England, teams which I didn't think had any chance, but with a fair wind have shown they have more than we thought.
Teams I can't see troubling us much more are Sweden, Russia, Denmark, Argentina and Japan/Senegal.
Portugal v Mexico final 😜
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/the-simpsons-predictions-fans-expect-a-world-cup-2018-final-of-mexico-vs-portugal-after-episode-sees-a3873216.html?amp
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
That sounds right.
Germany this time around.
Spain were brutal in Brazil.
France imploded in South Africa with the bus strike and all.
I can remember what Italy did in 2010. I don't think Brazil went out early in 2006 though. Maybe it's the last 4 in a row?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
That sounds right.
Germany this time around.
Spain were brutal in Brazil.
France imploded in South Africa with the bus strike and all.
I can remember what Italy did in 2010. I don't think Brazil went out early in 2006 though. Maybe it's the last 4 in a row?
Looks like it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIFA_World_Cup#Round_of_16
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
That sounds right.
Germany this time around.
Spain were brutal in Brazil.
France imploded in South Africa with the bus strike and all.
I can remember what Italy did in 2010. I don't think Brazil went out early in 2006 though. Maybe it's the last 4 in a row?
Four of the last five winners haven't got past the group stage at the next tournament:
France won in 1998, finished bottom of their group in 2002
Brazil won in 2002, went to the quarters in 2006
Italy won in 2006, finished bottom of their group in 2010
Spain won in 2010, finished third in their group in 2014
Germany won in 2014, finished bottom of their group in 2018
Looking forward to the Rissia - Spain game. Putin's sour puss if Spain win.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 27, 2018, 05:09:11 PM
Since there seems to be confusion as to the tie-breaking rules, here is how it works:
TIEBREAKERS
If two or more teams are level on points, they are separated using this tiebreaker system
1. Goal difference
2. Goals scored
3. Head-to-head points
4. Head-to-head goal difference
5. Head-to-head goals scored
6. Fair play points
7. Drawing of lots
FAIR PLAY SCORING SYSTEM
Yellow card: -1
Red card for two cautions: -3
Straight red card: -4
Yellow card and straight red card: -5
It's down to 6 and 7 if England and Belgium draw tonight yes?
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
That sounds right.
Germany this time around.
Spain were brutal in Brazil.
France imploded in South Africa with the bus strike and all.
I can remember what Italy did in 2010. I don't think Brazil went out early in 2006 though. Maybe it's the last 4 in a row?
Four of the last five winners haven't got past the group stage at the next tournament:
France won in 1998, finished bottom of their group in 2002
Brazil won in 2002, went to the quarters in 2006
Italy won in 2006, finished bottom of their group in 2010
Spain won in 2010, finished third in their group in 2014
Germany won in 2014, finished bottom of their group in 2018
you're right, I was mixing up France 2002 with France 2010. It was Italy that shat the eggs in 2010.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 12:32:32 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
That sounds right.
Germany this time around.
Spain were brutal in Brazil.
France imploded in South Africa with the bus strike and all.
I can remember what Italy did in 2010. I don't think Brazil went out early in 2006 though. Maybe it's the last 4 in a row?
Four of the last five winners haven't got past the group stage at the next tournament:
France won in 1998, finished bottom of their group in 2002
Brazil won in 2002, went to the quarters in 2006
Italy won in 2006, finished bottom of their group in 2010
Spain won in 2010, finished third in their group in 2014
Germany won in 2014, finished bottom of their group in 2018
you're right, I was mixing up France 2002 with France 2010. It was Italy that shat the eggs in 2010.
I wonder is it a lack of going through the rigors of a qualifying process that leaves them undercooked.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2018, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 12:32:32 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
That sounds right.
Germany this time around.
Spain were brutal in Brazil.
France imploded in South Africa with the bus strike and all.
I can remember what Italy did in 2010. I don't think Brazil went out early in 2006 though. Maybe it's the last 4 in a row?
Four of the last five winners haven't got past the group stage at the next tournament:
France won in 1998, finished bottom of their group in 2002
Brazil won in 2002, went to the quarters in 2006
Italy won in 2006, finished bottom of their group in 2010
Spain won in 2010, finished third in their group in 2014
Germany won in 2014, finished bottom of their group in 2018
you're right, I was mixing up France 2002 with France 2010. It was Italy that shat the eggs in 2010.
I wonder is it a lack of going through the rigors of a qualifying process that leaves them undercooked.
Holders have to qualify now. Last few tournaments I think? Germany sailed through their group.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2018, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 12:32:32 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 28, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Apparently 4 of the last 5 winners have gone out in the group stages 4 years later
That sounds right.
Germany this time around.
Spain were brutal in Brazil.
France imploded in South Africa with the bus strike and all.
I can remember what Italy did in 2010. I don't think Brazil went out early in 2006 though. Maybe it's the last 4 in a row?
Four of the last five winners haven't got past the group stage at the next tournament:
France won in 1998, finished bottom of their group in 2002
Brazil won in 2002, went to the quarters in 2006
Italy won in 2006, finished bottom of their group in 2010
Spain won in 2010, finished third in their group in 2014
Germany won in 2014, finished bottom of their group in 2018
you're right, I was mixing up France 2002 with France 2010. It was Italy that shat the eggs in 2010.
I wonder is it a lack of going through the rigors of a qualifying process that leaves them undercooked.
Holders have to qualify now. Last few tournaments I think? Germany sailed through their group.
Didn't know that.
Every day certainly is a school day.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 28, 2018, 12:21:32 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 27, 2018, 05:09:11 PM
Since there seems to be confusion as to the tie-breaking rules, here is how it works:
TIEBREAKERS
If two or more teams are level on points, they are separated using this tiebreaker system
1. Goal difference
2. Goals scored
3. Head-to-head points
4. Head-to-head goal difference
5. Head-to-head goals scored
6. Fair play points
7. Drawing of lots
FAIR PLAY SCORING SYSTEM
Yellow card: -1
Red card for two cautions: -3
Straight red card: -4
Yellow card and straight red card: -5
It's down to 6 and 7 if England and Belgium draw tonight yes?
Correct
I think England might feck it up early on because they're looking too far ahead. Let's hope so anyway.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 28, 2018, 02:04:08 PM
I think England might feck it up early on because they're looking too far ahead. Let's hope so anyway.
What? Do you not read papers? Be on the internet? Watch the news?
IT'S
COMING
HOME!
<This is a sarcastic post> <Wierd that I have to declare this> <People take the internet too serious>
Senegal's national anthem is like something out of a Marx brothers film😂
Colombia bring a lot of beauty to this World cup.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dge63jHXkAEb9HR.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgccSC-X4AASYZB.jpg)
Beauty and then you have these fellas
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgyK-3GX0AEBti1.jpg:large)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 28, 2018, 03:21:53 PM
Colombia bring a lot of beauty to this World cup.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dge63jHXkAEb9HR.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgccSC-X4AASYZB.jpg)
Can't cook but.......
Senegal out because they received more yellow cards than Japan.
Teams played today like they didn't want to win... or had no self belief. Japan and Senegal.
Intriguing for England. Go to win the group and play Japan but then Brazil or Mexico in the quarters. Or try to finish second to play Colombia (probably a better team than Japan), then Sweden or Switzerland?
Quote from: trailer on June 28, 2018, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 28, 2018, 02:04:08 PM
I think England might feck it up early on because they're looking too far ahead. Let's hope so anyway.
What? Do you not read papers? Be on the internet? Watch the news?
IT'S
COMING
HOME!
<This is a sarcastic post> <Wierd that I have to declare this> <People take the internet too serious>
Can't wait to see Keano in action when Engerland go out.
Places at the world cup from the different confederations should be based on the co-efficient of that respective confederation. Much like Champions League places. 4 Eng, 4 Spain 1 Ireland etc. So if European and South American teams do well - then more spots for teams from those confederations. Am I right in saying not one African team made the last 16?
Of course, South America gave us Panama, so they should be just banned from even entering qualifying again.
Quote from: longballin on June 28, 2018, 05:04:10 PM
Teams played today like they didn't want to win... or had no self belief. Japan and Senegal.
The Senegal lad on the line for the Colombia game was feckin hilarious!
Last minute injury time winner and stuffing Panama 6-1 has propelled England into favourites it seems by the English press! Belgium will rest players tonight and at worst get a draw! Watch out for a few yellow cards late on by the English if it's still a draw, would drop them into second place!
Been listening to various sport channels on radio and the amount of 'we' from Irish, so called Irish, Welsh and Scottish commentators would sicken your hole!!
England have a team to win it but the hype that they have been reigning in these past few tournaments is surfacing and all based on 6-1 win over Panama!
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
Intriguing for England. Go to win the group and play Japan but then Brazil or Mexico in the quarters. Or try to finish second to play Colombia (probably a better team than Japan), then Sweden or Switzerland?
Reckon we'll see plenty of yellow cards in the last ten minutes if it's still a draw..!
Quote from: trailer on June 28, 2018, 05:35:06 PM
Places at the world cup from the different confederations should be based on the co-efficient of that respective confederation. Much like Champions League places. 4 Eng, 4 Spain 1 Ireland etc. So if European and South American teams do well - then more spots for teams from those confederations. Am I right in saying not one African team made the last 16?
Of course, South America gave us Panama, so they should be just banned from even entering qualifying again.
Geography not ur strong point :)
Quote from: Boycey on June 28, 2018, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 28, 2018, 05:35:06 PM
Places at the world cup from the different confederations should be based on the co-efficient of that respective confederation. Much like Champions League places. 4 Eng, 4 Spain 1 Ireland etc. So if European and South American teams do well - then more spots for teams from those confederations. Am I right in saying not one African team made the last 16?
Of course, South America gave us Panama, so they should be just banned from even entering qualifying again.
Geography not ur strong point :)
Panama used to be part of Columbia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_Panama_from_Colombia
Quote from: laoislad on June 28, 2018, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
Intriguing for England. Go to win the group and play Japan but then Brazil or Mexico in the quarters. Or try to finish second to play Colombia (probably a better team than Japan), then Sweden or Switzerland?
Reckon we'll see plenty of yellow cards in the last ten minutes if it's still a draw..!
Thinking same. 0-0 written all over this game and list of reserves line up to get black cards
Quote from: longballin on June 28, 2018, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 28, 2018, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
Intriguing for England. Go to win the group and play Japan but then Brazil or Mexico in the quarters. Or try to finish second to play Colombia (probably a better team than Japan), then Sweden or Switzerland?
Reckon we'll see plenty of yellow cards in the last ten minutes if it's still a draw..!
Thinking same. 0-0 written all over this game and list of reserves line up to get black cards
Is Fellani in the Belgium squad? He's sharpening his elbows as we speak.
I would have thought Mignolet would have been the first name on the Belgium team sheet tonight... ;D
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
Intriguing for England. Go to win the group and play Japan but then Brazil or Mexico in the quarters. Or try to finish second to play Colombia (probably a better team than Japan), then Sweden or Switzerland?
They should do it tactically. Sweden and Switzerland are nothing to write home about.
Switzerland don't even have 11 decent players.
It's like the old GAA joke
-Paddy, we're taking you off
-But we only have 13 players, boss
-Come off anyway
Quote from: laoislad on June 28, 2018, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
Intriguing for England. Go to win the group and play Japan but then Brazil or Mexico in the quarters. Or try to finish second to play Colombia (probably a better team than Japan), then Sweden or Switzerland?
Reckon we'll see plenty of yellow cards in the last ten minutes if it's still a draw..!
Eh? I wonder do you post after everyone of my posts? For someone who blocks me you've a knack for it
Handy yellow card for Belgium there. They have two more than England now.
Quote from: laoislad on June 28, 2018, 07:21:17 PM
Handy yellow card for Belgium there. They have two more than England now.
stopped watching it for a while there. Has England more yellows now or Belgium?
Quote from: longballin on June 28, 2018, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 28, 2018, 07:21:17 PM
Handy yellow card for Belgium there. They have two more than England now.
stopped watching it for a while there. Has England more yellows now or Belgium?
Belgium have 2 more so England would top the group because of fair play rules.
ok thanks
You're welcome.
What a fckn farce
Panama are one up v Tunisia
I will re-watch this England game again tonight if i have any trouble sleeping.
Why did that idiot do that? though doesnt really matter who England meet it will end in tears again.
Man U lads are doing well
What a bizarre spectacle.
That Januzaj looks a decent player somebody should sign him up!! 😂😂
Was that a deliberate miss by Rashford?
England get Columbia in the last 16 if it stays 1-0 to Belgium. Then if they beat Colombia a quarter final against Sweden or Switzerland. That is followed by a semi against Croatia or Spain. The 3 best teams left in the competition imho Belgium, France and Brazil would be in the other half of the draw.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 28, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
Was that a deliberate miss by Rashford?
No he's just another overhyped English player
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 28, 2018, 08:31:38 PM
England get Columbia in the last 16 if it stays 1-0 to Belgium. Then if they beat Colombia a quarter final against Sweden or Switzerland. That is followed by a semi against Croatia or Spain. The 3 best teams left in the competition imho Belgium, France and Brazil would be in the other half of the draw.
Croatia are one of the three best teams.
Batshuayi kicking the ball off the post and into his face is one of the moments of the tournament so far. :P
England deserve to lose against Colombia that would show up all this avoiding brazil for the shit it is.
Wouldnt matter what route England get, not challengers at all. Useless.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 28, 2018, 08:40:14 PM
Batshuayi kicking the ball off the post and into his face is one of the moments of the tournament so far. :P
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Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
I recall them beating Spain. On ITV the lads in the studio are convinced they will reach their first World cup semi final since 1990 we'll see.
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
Beat both Belgium (last min goal) and Cameroon (fluked a win) in 1990.
RTE pundits spent 5 minutes slamming England's midfield for their technique and creativity. Then 5 minutes talking up Fellaini for being a 6' 4" elbow.
No problems with the first point. But f**k's sake lads be consistent.
I live in England and I was quite concerned about how quiet their expectations were. I thought the team might benefit from the lack of pressure placed upon them. They then pump two shit teams and all of a sudden football is coming home after beating two piss poor teams. Then of course they are beat by the Mayo of the International football world and it doesn't matter - they are still going to win the WC ::)
Don't think England went out of their way to win or lose, bit of a que sera sera attitude about the whole thing, Belgium's reserves were a bit better than England's. Columbia are poor enough.
Do you not think The whole 'it's coming home thing' is generally a pisstake?? Non-English people really revel in the opportunity to bash them for it, but I mostly think it's a big f**king joke tbh - until the 1st knockout round anyway.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
RTE pundits spent 5 minutes slamming England's midfield for their technique and creativity. Then 5 minutes talking up Fellaini for being a 6' 4" elbow.
No problems with the first point. But f**k's sake lads be consistent.
The difference is Belgium have Eden Hazzard and Dries Mertens to go with him while England have Jordan Henderson and Jesse Lingard..
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 28, 2018, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
I recall them beating Spain. On ITV the lads in the studio are convinced they will reach their first World cup semi final since 1990 we'll see.
Spain win was Euro 96. On penalties.
Quote from: shark on June 28, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 28, 2018, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
I recall them beating Spain. On ITV the lads in the studio are convinced they will reach their first World cup semi final since 1990 we'll see.
Spain win was Euro 96. On penalties.
Yeah. I think they are referring to out and out wins. It's an abysmal record.
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: shark on June 28, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 28, 2018, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
I recall them beating Spain. On ITV the lads in the studio are convinced they will reach their first World cup semi final since 1990 we'll see.
Spain win was Euro 96. On penalties.
Yeah. I think they are referring to out and out wins. It's an abysmal record.
EPL started in 92
Soccer in Engerland is about money, not developing the national team
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2018, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: shark on June 28, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 28, 2018, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 28, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
I recall them beating Spain. On ITV the lads in the studio are convinced they will reach their first World cup semi final since 1990 we'll see.
Spain win was Euro 96. On penalties.
Yeah. I think they are referring to out and out wins. It's an abysmal record.
EPL started in 92
Soccer in Engerland is about money, not developing the national team
England's propensity for failure at international tournaments is not a product of the sky years. They lost to the US in the 50s, and after 1966 at home they've done very little. Euro 88 was disastrous for them. They've always been suspicious of Johnny Foreigner and his sneaky ways, and it trips them up again and again.
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Since 1990 England have only beaten Denmark and Ecuador in knockout games according to the pundits. They scraped a win against Tunisia, pumped a pub team, and were beat by the first decent side they have met. Without any bias at all ( :-X :-X ) I'll be amazed if they beat Colombia.
I recall them beating Spain. On ITV the lads in the studio are convinced they will reach their first World cup semi final since 1990 we'll see.
Spain win was Euro 96. On penalties.
Yeah. I think they are referring to out and out wins. It's an abysmal record.
EPL started in 92
Soccer in Engerland is about money, not developing the national team
England's propensity for failure at international tournaments is not a product of the sky years. They lost to the US in the 50s, and after 1966 at home they've done very little. Euro 88 was disastrous for them. They've always been suspicious of Johnny Foreigner and his sneaky ways, and it trips them up again and again.
There is more to it than that. England has been surpassed by France and Spain since the EPL began.
They do not care about developing English talent. They just buy from wherever.
There are EPL players at the World Cup with the following teams : Egypt, Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran, France, Australia, Peru, Denmark, Argentina, Iceland, Croatia, Nigeria, Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia, Germany, Mexico, Sweden, south Korea, Belgium, Tunisia,Poland, Senegal, Colombia, Japan
That is 27/32
How many English players playing outside of EPL?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
How many English players playing outside of EPL?
None according to the guide I am looking at
I don't think any other team is 100% domestic league. Not even Panama
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
That Januzaj looks a decent player somebody should sign him up!! 😂😂
I remember when he first emerged at united, I thought he was going to be a great player. Then he went out on loan and never came back. Now he is scoring a cracking goal for Belgium at the world cup.
England if they beat Colombia should make the semi final and maybe even the final.
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Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
That Januzaj looks a decent player somebody should sign him up!! 😂😂
I remember when he first emerged at united, I thought he was going to be a great player. Then he went out on loan and never came back. Now he is scoring a cracking goal for Belgium at the world cup.
England if they beat Colombia should make the semi final and maybe even the final.
I think people are mad if they think there's much of a gap between England and Columbia, Sweden or Switzerland. All three are fully capable of beating a limited English side.
Who are the tournament's likely winners now?
I can't see past the winners of France - Argentina. Whoever wins that will have their tails seriously up.
From a betting point of view Uruguay at 22/1, 7/2 for semi is an attractive bet.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
How many English players playing outside of EPL?
Guardian
"England still made eight changes – to Belgium's nine – and in the process sucked the life out of their starting 11. Of England's outfield 10 only three were regulars in their Premier League teams. "
England are not a good side but they have a decent chance of getting to the semifinals. Their fans are always delusional.....just like some on here in relation to Man Utd, Liverpool etc.....who can forget the 'white Pele' reference to Rooney....now the DC hookers dream😜. Still wouldn't be surprised if Colombia beat them...and maybe on penalties 😂😂
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England are not a good side but they have a decent chance of getting to the semifinals. Their fans are always delusional.....just like some on here in relation to Man Utd, Liverpool etc.....who can forget the 'white Pele' reference to Rooney....now the DC hookers dream😜. Still wouldn't be surprised if Colombia beat them...and maybe on penalties 😂😂
It's a tournament, not a league. If England got a bit of luck they could do very well.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
How many English players playing outside of EPL?
The money is in the Premiership! This means that players are unlikely to move unless Barca or Real come knocking. PSG, Juventus and Bayern to a lesser degree. Like back in the '90's all Italian players played in Serie A, that was where the money was.
This English team is one of the least experienced for decades. The hype at the best is nothing on a par to other tournaments. They may be the surprise package of the Tournament.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
How many English players playing outside of EPL?
The money is in the Premiership! This means that players are unlikely to move unless Barca or Real come knocking. PSG, Juventus and Bayern to a lesser degree. Like back in the '90's all Italian players played in Serie A, that was where the money was.
This English team is one of the least experienced for decades. The hype at the best is nothing on a par to other tournaments. They may be the surprise package of the Tournament.
So would Bale be the best 'Home' player ? You've mentioned 5 teams that don't have one English player, that can compete year on year for the CL and don't have an interest in any of the English squad, but the players will stay in the EPL because the money is better?
Kane would make a fortune if he left Spurs to any of those top teams mentioned, I just think the top teams don't think they are good enough, barring Kane I'd say England are muck
Im confused when England lose to Colombia who will they then meet in the Semi Final ;)
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Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
That Januzaj looks a decent player somebody should sign him up!! 😂😂
I remember when he first emerged at united, I thought he was going to be a great player. Then he went out on loan and never came back. Now he is scoring a cracking goal for Belgium at the world cup.
England if they beat Colombia should make the semi final and maybe even the final.
I think people are mad if they think there's much of a gap between England and Columbia, Sweden or Switzerland. All three are fully capable of beating a limited English side.
Sweden were second in their qualifying group. Switzerland only have 8 players. Schaer, Seferovic and Behrami are not good enough for this level and have been slated in the home press.
Saying any of the 3 is capable of beating England is like saying Ros are capable of beating Galway. Comes with a huge standard deviation.
No games today. Guess I'm gonna have to talk to the wife now tonight so...
I'm sure she'll be just as annoyed ;)
Turned on SS news last night just before 10pm and they were deep in a serious discussion about who England were likely to meet in the final. So far they have beaten Tunisia and Panama. LOL they will never learn.
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Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
That Januzaj looks a decent player somebody should sign him up!! 😂😂
I remember when he first emerged at united, I thought he was going to be a great player. Then he went out on loan and never came back. Now he is scoring a cracking goal for Belgium at the world cup.
England if they beat Colombia should make the semi final and maybe even the final.
I think people are mad if they think there's much of a gap between England and Columbia, Sweden or Switzerland. All three are fully capable of beating a limited English side.
Sweden were second in their qualifying group. Switzerland only have 8 players. Schaer, Seferovic and Behrami are not good enough for this level and have been slated in the home press.
Saying any of the 3 is capable of beating England is like saying Ros are capable of beating Galway. Comes with a huge standard deviation.
Sweden came out of a group that included both France and the Netherlands, managing wins over both. They then got past Italy in qualifying and have just topped a group that included the reigning champions.
Sometimes what you don't say (especially so in your particular case) is as/more important than what you do.
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Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
That Januzaj looks a decent player somebody should sign him up!! 😂😂
I remember when he first emerged at united, I thought he was going to be a great player. Then he went out on loan and never came back. Now he is scoring a cracking goal for Belgium at the world cup.
England if they beat Colombia should make the semi final and maybe even the final.
I think people are mad if they think there's much of a gap between England and Columbia, Sweden or Switzerland. All three are fully capable of beating a limited English side.
Sweden were second in their qualifying group. Switzerland only have 8 players. Schaer, Seferovic and Behrami are not good enough for this level and have been slated in the home press.
Saying any of the 3 is capable of beating England is like saying Ros are capable of beating Galway. Comes with a huge standard deviation.
Sweden came out of a group that included both France and the Netherlands, managing wins over both. They then got past Italy in qualifying and have just topped a group that included the reigning champions.
Sometimes what you don't say (especially so in your particular case) is as/more important than what you do.
Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed?
Sweden are 24th in the FIFA world rankings. England are 12th. Belgium are third.
Holland and Italy are not in a great place currently either.
I'm not sure the FIFA rankings are a great indicator. That said, on the field you wouldn't say Sweden are frightening, but they are well capable of beating England. Let's be honest, any of the 15 other teams left are capable of beating England. But it's also probably true that this is a cup competition, England seem to have a good spirit and a goalscorer who is having a lucky streak, so on any given day England could easily beat any of the other 15 teams too.
There hasn't been an absolute standout team so far, in my view. Belgium, Brazil (at times) and Croatia probably the most impressive so far.
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I'm not sure the FIFA rankings are a great indicator. That said, on the field you wouldn't say Sweden are frightening, but they are well capable of beating England. Let's be honest, any of the 15 other teams left are capable of beating England. But it's also probably true that this is a cup competition, England seem to have a good spirit and a goalscorer who is having a lucky streak, so on any given day England could easily beat any of the other 15 teams too.
There hasn't been an absolute standout team so far, in my view. Belgium, Brazil (at times) and Croatia probably the most impressive so far.
Spain have also been decent
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I'm not sure the FIFA rankings are a great indicator. That said, on the field you wouldn't say Sweden are frightening, but they are well capable of beating England. Let's be honest, any of the 15 other teams left are capable of beating England. But it's also probably true that this is a cup competition, England seem to have a good spirit and a goalscorer who is having a lucky streak, so on any given day England could easily beat any of the other 15 teams too.
There hasn't been an absolute standout team so far, in my view. Belgium, Brazil (at times) and Croatia probably the most impressive so far.
Spain have also been decent
They were excellent attacking wise versus Portugal, but I was disappointed with them v Morocco and Iran.
One of England, Colombia, Sweden or Switzerland will be in a WC semi final. I'd say they all think they have a great chance of doing that. England haven't been seriously tested yet. Panama were the weakest team in the competition by a distance (apart from Germany ;)) and they stumbled past Tunisia. They could chin Colombia or get humped 3-0.
The competition is still wide open. I haven't seen an outstanding team yet. Croatia probably the best so far.
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One of England, Colombia, Sweden or Switzerland will be in a WC semi final. I'd say they all think they have a great chance of doing that. England haven't been seriously tested yet. Panama were the weakest team in the competition by a distance (apart from Germany ;)) and they stumbled past Tunisia. They could chin Colombia or get humped 3-0.
The competition is still wide open. I haven't seen an outstanding team yet. Croatia probably the best so far.
Is it Croatia or Serbia your man Legolas plays for?
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One of England, Colombia, Sweden or Switzerland will be in a WC semi final. I'd say they all think they have a great chance of doing that. England haven't been seriously tested yet. Panama were the weakest team in the competition by a distance (apart from Germany ;)) and they stumbled past Tunisia. They could chin Colombia or get humped 3-0.
The competition is still wide open. I haven't seen an outstanding team yet. Croatia probably the best so far.
Is it Croatia or Serbia your man Legolas plays for?
Mirkwood
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
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All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
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All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
Saturday June 30
3pm: France v Argentina, Kazan
7pm: Uruguay v Portugal, Sochi
Sunday July 1
3pm: Spain v Russia, Moscow
7pm: Croatia v Denmark, Nizhny Novgorod
Monday July 2
3pm: Brazil v Mexico, Samara
7pm: Belgium v Japan, Rostov-on-Don
Tuesday July 3
3pm: Sweden v Switzerland, Saint Petersburg
7pm: Colombia v England, Moscow
What odds on some dodgy referee/VAR decisions on Sunday in Moscow?
Was thinking the same myself jc. Spain have been relatively poor and I can definitely see the Russians getting the benefit of the doubt. Worth a small bet anyway.
Take Harry Kane out and they are very average. If they somehow make the Semi's Harry will meet the same fate as Salah in the championships league final while Sergio looks on innocently.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
Saturday June 30
3pm: France v Argentina, Kazan
7pm: Uruguay v Portugal, Sochi
I've no skin in either game but I can't help thinking that Argentina v Uruguay would be a tasty quarter final
Quote from: pbat on June 29, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
Take Harry Kane out and they are very average. If they somehow make the Semi's Harry will meet the same fate as Salah in the championships league final while Sergio looks on innocently.
Even Harry Kane hasn't been pulling up trees so far. I know he's scored 5 goals, but 2 penalties, a tap in rebound and a deflection off his heel aren't exactly a lad flying. His second goal v Tunisia was great instinct alright.
That said, it's great to be getting goals like that, so he should be full of confidence.
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All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
Saturday June 30
3pm: France v Argentina, Kazan
7pm: Uruguay v Portugal, Sochi
I've no skin in either game but I can't help thinking that Argentina v Uruguay would be a tasty quarter final
The winner to receive the River Plate plate.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina
are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
That's true in a general sense, defensively they are a mess, but I don't think Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Di Maria have done as much in an attacking sense as you would expect. But yes, they may not have much more to go, you are right.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
That's true in a general sense, defensively they are a mess, but I don't think Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Di Maria have done as much in an attacking sense as you would expect. But yes, they may not have much more to go, you are right.
Tim Vickery, the BBC's South American football correspondent, was on the radio saying that Argentina's problems didn't surprise him. They haven't played well since the last WC, domestic football is a mess and their academy system has broken down and they don't seem to be producing good young players. Pavon and Meza, two players who still play in Argentina, have been tipped as the next big thing but they've looked a bit out of their depth at this level.
Latest Odds from Ladbrokes (to win the World Cup - e/w 1/3 the odds if team gets to final): England joint 3rd favourites though this may reflect where the money is going in UK.
Brazil 7/2
Spain 4/1
Belgium 7/1
England 7/1
France 8/1
Croatia 12/1
Argentina 14/1
Colombia 20/1
Portugal 20/1
Uruguay 20/1
Switzerland 40/1
Russia 50/1
Mexico 66/1
Sweden 66/1
Denmark 80/1
Japan 150/1
Utterly insane that England have better odds than France.
Quote from: Syferus on June 29, 2018, 04:37:25 PM
Utterly insane that England have better odds than France.
It's Ladbrokes, Syf.
If you ever place a bet with a Cork bookmaker, Cork will be shorter odds. Local money tends to be skewed to the local team.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
That's true in a general sense, defensively they are a mess, but I don't think Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Di Maria have done as much in an attacking sense as you would expect. But yes, they may not have much more to go, you are right.
How come Dybala isn't getting a sniff?
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Quote from: Syferus on June 29, 2018, 04:37:25 PM
Utterly insane that England have better odds than France.
It's Ladbrokes, Syf.
If you ever place a bet with a Cork bookmaker, Cork will be shorter odds. Local money tends to be skewed to the local team.
That really doesn't happen anymore, all football betting prices are dictated from the far East.
Quote from: Syferus on June 29, 2018, 04:37:25 PM
Utterly insane that England have better odds than France.
Not really, England are in the easier half of the draw.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
That's true in a general sense, defensively they are a mess, but I don't think Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Di Maria have done as much in an attacking sense as you would expect. But yes, they may not have much more to go, you are right.
How come Dybala isn't getting a sniff?
The manager prefers to give playing time to players like Meza who can't play. I would play Dybala Messi Aguero and Higuain in the same team as they are Argentinas best players. They don't have many good players in midfield or defence.
Belgium tempting at 7/1 God only knows how England are same price. Should be bout 20/1
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
That's true in a general sense, defensively they are a mess, but I don't think Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Di Maria have done as much in an attacking sense as you would expect. But yes, they may not have much more to go, you are right.
How come Dybala isn't getting a sniff?
The manager prefers to give playing time to players like Meza who can't play. I would play Dybala Messi Aguero and Higuain in the same team as they are Argentinas best players. They don't have many good players in midfield or defence.
Even if you'd Keane and Viera in midfield you'd get your arse handed to you on a plate with that line up. And Argentina have neither, nothing close.
Re England's price. They just qualified from the same group as Belgium with a nigh-on identical record (Janujaz scorer a belter, Rashford missed an easier chance, and the presence of Danny Welbeck tells you how much England were bothered), and clearly have a more straightforward path to the final and to each way money. The variance in their odds and Belgium isn't due to the weight of bets being taken, but an algorithm which understands this shit better than people who change their mind everytime they watch a match (or read a report on one).
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
That's true in a general sense, defensively they are a mess, but I don't think Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Di Maria have done as much in an attacking sense as you would expect. But yes, they may not have much more to go, you are right.
How come Dybala isn't getting a sniff?
The manager prefers to give playing time to players like Meza who can't play. I would play Dybala Messi Aguero and Higuain in the same team as they are Argentinas best players. They don't have many good players in midfield or defence.
Even if you'd Keane and Viera in midfield you'd get your arse handed to you on a plate with that line up. And Argentina have neither, nothing close.
Re England's price. They just qualified from the same group as Belgium with a nigh-on identical record (Janujaz scorer a belter, Rashford missed an easier chance, and the presence of Danny Welbeck tells you how much England were bothered), and clearly have a more straightforward path to the final and to each way money. The variance in their odds and Belgium isn't due to the weight of bets being taken, but an algorithm which understands this shit better than people who change their mind everytime they watch a match (or read a report on one).
I hear you. Though from were I sit Belgium look way superior to England
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All that aside, some cracking games lined up for the first knockout stage.
It's hard to see a game I'm not looking forward to in fairness. France Argentina will be a contest to see which of them can actually start performing like they should be able to, Uruguay Portugal might be very defensive, but intriguing, Spain Russia should be very open, Croatia Denmark will be very interesting, Brazil Mexico should be open and entertaining, Belgium Japan the same, Sweden Switzerland should be sneaky good. Two teams that wouldn't get your pulse racing, but they should be a good match and Switzerland impressed me a bit more than i thought they would. And then of course Colombia v England. I hope Rodriguez is able to go, but it's probably unlikely.
The problem is Argentina are performing at their level. They scraped through qualifying and only did so after Messi came back from retirement. The squad isn't good. At all. Mascherano playing centre mid is a terrible idea. All his inspirational, heart on the sleeve stuff is nothing if he's only making up for his own mistakes.
That's true in a general sense, defensively they are a mess, but I don't think Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Di Maria have done as much in an attacking sense as you would expect. But yes, they may not have much more to go, you are right.
How come Dybala isn't getting a sniff?
The manager prefers to give playing time to players like Meza who can't play. I would play Dybala Messi Aguero and Higuain in the same team as they are Argentinas best players. They don't have many good players in midfield or defence.
I thought they would've lined up something like below
—————Masch— Benega————-
Dybala————Messi——-Di Maria
——————-Aguero—————-
Quote from: longballin on June 29, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Belgium tempting at 7/1 God only knows how England are same price. Should be bout 20/1
Was listening to a guy from Coral on the radio who was saying that England would have been 9/1 today had they won last night.
Di Maria has been poor at all levels since the 2014 WC. He looked good against Nigeria for about ten mins and then was just a mess. The suggestion is that with Messi and mascherano effectively running the team, dybala doesn't get in as he encroaches too much on Messi's space. He's a second striker or a false nine, not a creative midfielder or a winger. Higuaín is an excellent goalscorer but goes missing in big games too often for it to be clichéd to suggest he bottles it. Has missed huge cheers to win Argentina the WC and a Copa America. Their biggest mistake (ignoring politics and personality clashes) has been leaving Icardi behind.
Banega will play every minute from now on. Long overdue creativity. Biglia isn't great but he should play ahead of mascherano for the legs if nothing else. The defence is just appalling.
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Belgium tempting at 7/1 God only knows how England are same price. Should be bout 20/1
Was listening to a guy from Coral on the radio who was saying that England won have been 9/1 today had they won last night.
They're falling into the same arrogance trap the Germans fell into. They're looking 3 games ahead. Fully expect Columbia to send them packing
France v Argentina: France should win this at a canter, but I don't trust them - the Aussies and Peru troubled them. Argentina are so shapeless that I think France will get there, but on a narrow scoreline, maybe 2-1.
Uruguay v Portugal: 0-0 and penalties. Uruguay to win that with it not reaching the final Portuguese penalty.
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Crotia v Denmark: Croatia have been impressive so far, but I sense a shock here. The Danes are dogged and organised, have not yet conceded a goal from play, and have Christian Eriksen. 1-0 to Denmark.
Brazil v Mexico: I suspect Mexico have shot their load and Brazil will brush them aside. 3-0.
Belgium v Japan: Workmanlike victory for Belgium. 2-0.
Sweden v Switzerland: Sweden have wreaked a trail of destruction, beating France in qualification and eliminating Italy and Germany. I think this may be as far as they go. They'll meet a team who are every bit as organised as they are, and have a touch more class. 1-0 to the Swiss.
Colombia v England: I think this could be a classic in the vein of Argentina v England 1998. Fascinating clash of styles. I expect England to have trouble with Colombia's passing style and I'd be very surprised if they don't concede. But in turn I expect Colombia to have a lot of problems with England's physicality. 2-2. England to finally slay their penalties bogey.
Which would leave the quarter-finals as:
Uruguay v France
Brazil v Belgium
Russia v Denmark
Switzerland v England
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44662690
Shearer speaks some sense
Pavón in for Higuaín the only Argentina change.
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
Mbappe is electric
Argentina getting run over here. Messi double marked and not getting an inch... 1986 no team could double or treble marked Maradonna. That's not to be disparaging to Messi a class player but is comment on how remarkable a player Maradonna was.
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France v Argentina: France should win this at a canter, but I don't trust them - the Aussies and Peru troubled them. Argentina are so shapeless that I think France will get there, but on a narrow scoreline, maybe 2-1.
Uruguay v Portugal: 0-0 and penalties. Uruguay to win that with it not reaching the final Portuguese penalty.
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Crotia v Denmark: Croatia have been impressive so far, but I sense a shock here. The Danes are dogged and organised, have not yet conceded a goal from play, and have Christian Eriksen. 1-0 to Denmark.
Brazil v Mexico: I suspect Mexico have shot their load and Brazil will brush them aside. 3-0.
Belgium v Japan: Workmanlike victory for Belgium. 2-0.
Sweden v Switzerland: Sweden have wreaked a trail of destruction, beating France in qualification and eliminating Italy and Germany. I think this may be as far as they go. They'll meet a team who are every bit as organised as they are, and have a touch more class. 1-0 to the Swiss.
Colombia v England: I think this could be a classic in the vein of Argentina v England 1998. Fascinating clash of styles. I expect England to have trouble with Colombia's passing style and I'd be very surprised if they don't concede. But in turn I expect Colombia to have a lot of problems with England's physicality. 2-2. England to finally slay their penalties bogey.
Which would leave the quarter-finals as:
Uruguay v France
Brazil v Belgium
Russia v Denmark
Switzerland v England
That's a very good analysis Sid. Whether you're right remains to be seen but you've had a go. I do think however that Croatia will beat Denmark and I rate Modric over Eriksen.
So that's what DiMaria is for.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2018, 09:26:59 PM
Di Maria has been poor at all levels since the 2014 WC. He looked good against Nigeria for about ten mins and then was just a mess. The suggestion is that with Messi and mascherano effectively running the team, dybala doesn't get in as he encroaches too much on Messi's space. He's a second striker or a false nine, not a creative midfielder or a winger. Higuaín is an excellent goalscorer but goes missing in big games too often for it to be clichéd to suggest he bottles it. Has missed huge cheers to win Argentina the WC and a Copa America. Their biggest mistake (ignoring politics and personality clashes) has been leaving Icardi behind.
Banega will play every minute from now on. Long overdue creativity. Biglia isn't great but he should play ahead of mascherano for the legs if nothing else. The defence is just appalling.
What a moment to go after him.
Now this is futbol.
World Cup drama at its best!
Great game with great goals hard to call a winner in this game.
Set up for a Messi special? Icing on the cake
Sh*t :-[
Mbappe might actually be worth all that money.
4-2 France that should be it. Messi overshadowed by Mbappe.
That was a gorgeous pass by Pogba.
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Di Maria has been poor at all levels since the 2014 WC. He looked good against Nigeria for about ten mins and then was just a mess. The suggestion is that with Messi and mascherano effectively running the team, dybala doesn't get in as he encroaches too much on Messi's space. He's a second striker or a false nine, not a creative midfielder or a winger. Higuaín is an excellent goalscorer but goes missing in big games too often for it to be clichéd to suggest he bottles it. Has missed huge cheers to win Argentina the WC and a Copa America. Their biggest mistake (ignoring politics and personality clashes) has been leaving Icardi behind.
Banega will play every minute from now on. Long overdue creativity. Biglia isn't great but he should play ahead of mascherano for the legs if nothing else. The defence is just appalling.
What a moment to go after him.
You mean yesterday?
The terrible defence getting fully exposed here.
Messi's legs are gone. France running them off the park.
How the FÙCK did Ronnie Whelan and Ger Canning (and the ref) see nothing wrong in Pogba being being bear hugged and wrestled to the floor there?
Some game pity no extra time.
What in the name of Christ was that?
Uruguay-Portugal should be even more enjoyably violent.
Scoreline flattered Argentina in the extreme, bar a worldie and a fluke they'd have been beaten out the gate. All the best performances were from French players.
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Scoreline flattered Argentina in the extreme, bar a worldie and a fluke they'd have been beaten out the gate. All the best performances were from French players.
So bar what happened in the match it flattered them? Argentina had plenty of chances to win this one. Mbappe dragged France through nearly single-handedly.
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Scoreline flattered Argentina in the extreme, bar a worldie and a fluke they'd have been beaten out the gate. All the best performances were from French players.
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So bar what happened in the match it flattered them? Argentina had plenty of chances to win this one. Mbappe dragged France through nearly single-handedly.
Bollocks. Pogba and Matuidi were both excellent. Kanté was very good too. Mbappe was the star but his second goal was put on a platter for him after a lovely team move. He was anything but on his own.
Argentina just have no defence (with the exception maybe of Tagliofico) and a poor midfield. Absolutely ludicrous from Mercado and Otamendi to keep losing the head after the Agüero goal.
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Scoreline flattered Argentina in the extreme, bar a worldie and a fluke they'd have been beaten out the gate. All the best performances were from French players.
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So bar what happened in the match it flattered them? Argentina had plenty of chances to win this one. Mbappe dragged France through nearly single-handedly.
Bollocks. Pogba and Matuidi were both excellent. Kanté was very good too. Mbappe was the star but his second goal was put on a platter for him after a lovely team move. He was anything but on his own.
Argentina just have no defence (with the exception maybe of Tagliofico) and a poor midfield. Absolutely ludicrous from Mercado and Otamendi to keep losing the head after the Agüero goal.
Mbappe won the penalty and scored two. The other was scored on the volley by a defender, not Pogba and certainly not Kante. The bollocks is saying Mbappe wasn't very clearly the difference between the two sides.
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Scoreline flattered Argentina in the extreme, bar a worldie and a fluke they'd have been beaten out the gate. All the best performances were from French players.
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So bar what happened in the match it flattered them? Argentina had plenty of chances to win this one. Mbappe dragged France through nearly single-handedly.
Bollocks. Pogba and Matuidi were both excellent. Kanté was very good too. Mbappe was the star but his second goal was put on a platter for him after a lovely team move. He was anything but on his own.
Argentina just have no defence (with the exception maybe of Tagliofico) and a poor midfield. Absolutely ludicrous from Mercado and Otamendi to keep losing the head after the Agüero goal.
Mbappe won the penalty and scored two. The other was scored on the volley by a defender, not Pogba and certainly not Kante. The bollocks is saying Mbappe wasn't very clearly the difference between the two sides.
Nobody said that though, did they?
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Scoreline flattered Argentina in the extreme, bar a worldie and a fluke they'd have been beaten out the gate. All the best performances were from French players.
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So bar what happened in the match it flattered them? Argentina had plenty of chances to win this one. Mbappe dragged France through nearly single-handedly.
Bollocks. Pogba and Matuidi were both excellent. Kanté was very good too. Mbappe was the star but his second goal was put on a platter for him after a lovely team move. He was anything but on his own.
Argentina just have no defence (with the exception maybe of Tagliofico) and a poor midfield. Absolutely ludicrous from Mercado and Otamendi to keep losing the head after the Agüero goal.
Mbappe won the penalty and scored two. The other was scored on the volley by a defender, not Pogba and certainly not Kante. The bollocks is saying Mbappe wasn't very clearly the difference between the two sides.
Nobody said that though, did they?
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First blood the south americans! This has been a world cup of great goals
What a p***k. He got hit on the back. Never changes that boy.
Good thing is Ronaldo or Suarez will be gone after this game. Such a pair of diving playactors.
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Good thing is Ronaldo or Suarez will be gone after this game. Such a pair of diving playactors.
You're trying too hard.
Uruguay very well organised here. Ronaldo being well marked and i think will need a set piece but can't see it.
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Good thing is Ronaldo or Suarez will be gone after this game. Such a pair of diving playactors.
You're trying too hard.
Ah don't need to know much bout groundball to figure that out :D
Portugal look toothless without Ronaldo. They could really do with him out there the 2nd half.
Oh. Another of those likeable guys. Pepe now.
Game on.
What a goal.
Cavani again. 2-1 to Uruguay.
That was a lovely goal.
Impressed with work rate of Uruguay
Ronaldo is useless because he never done it in a big World Cup game. That's how it works?
Presumably, there will be a bit of satisfaction on the north side of the River Plate that Uruguay is still there while Argentina is out.
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Ronaldo is useless because he never done it in a big World Cup game. That's how it works?
It was nice of him to turn up for the free kicks though 😂
Uruguay so well organised and with such a good defence that they could win the whole thing if Cavani is ok.
There was a great piece of accidental hilarity from Clive Tyldesly at the end there. There had been a shot of Cavani where he was calling him the match winner. Camera pans to Ronaldo. "And there's the big loser" He was well marshalled tonight.
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Uruguay so well organised and with such a good defence that they could win the whole thing if Cavani is ok.
There was a great piece of accidental hilarity from Clive Tyldesly at the end there. There had been a shot of Cavani where he was calling him the match winner. Camera pans to Ronaldo. "And there's the big loser" He was well marshalled tonight.
Brits love to put the boot in.....we will see how they get on Tuesday.
He wasn't putting the boot in at all.
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He wasn't putting the boot in at all.
Oh right....'big loser' is a compliment 😳
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He wasn't putting the boot in at all.
Oh right....'big loser' is a compliment 😳
No, he was saying loser in the sense of he was losing out, by virtue of the fact that, you know, he's one of the best players in history and was about to lose what is likely his last chance at a world cup. Get it?
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He wasn't putting the boot in at all.
Oh right....'big loser' is a compliment 😳
No, he was saying loser in the sense of he was losing out, by virtue of the fact that, you know, he's one of the best players in history and was about to lose what is likely his last chance at a world cup. Get it?
Ok Ted
Ronaldo didnt touch leather the nite! Still think Maradona way ahead of him and Messi
Uruguay are like Cavan. They won their titles between1930 and 1955. Ages ago.
And Uruguay have a player called CavanI. Amazing
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Ronaldo didnt touch leather the nite! Still think Maradona way ahead of him and Messi
Agreed.
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
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Ronaldo didnt touch leather the nite! Still think Maradona way ahead of him and Messi
Yeah, ok old man.
Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
Disagree. Ronaldo grew up dirt poor. Messi had to play against lads twice his size. They've both overcome plenty. It's just the pro game these days is barely recognisable from the one Maradona played.
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Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
Disagree. Ronaldo grew up dirt poor. Messi had to play against lads twice his size. They've both overcome plenty. It's just the pro hadn't these days is barely recognisable from the one Maradona played.
If anyone thinks Maradonna's personal indisapline would allow him to be a great player in the modern era they're fooling themselves. Messi and particularly Ronaldo are obsessive in their preparation in a way Maradona never had the sense to be.
Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
I don't get the whole Maradona hype. I know he basically won the world cup on his own in 86 which was probably his best season in his peak, but comparing that to what Messi did in 2012 is ridiculous. I mean 91 goals in 69 games and probably 30+ assists. Those numbers will probably never be seen in my lifetime again. If I were to rank them I'd go 1. Messi 2. Pele 3. Cristiano Ronaldo. 4. Maradona 5. George Best
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Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
Disagree. Ronaldo grew up dirt poor. Messi had to play against lads twice his size. They've both overcome plenty. It's just the pro hadn't these days is barely recognisable from the one Maradona played.
If anyone thinks Maradonna's personal indisapline would allow him to be a great player in the modern era they're fooling themselves. Messi and particularly Ronaldo are obsessive in their preparation in a way Maradona never had the sense to be.
Again, nobody has suggested that. You're in a roll tonight.
Of course he wouldn't get away with his indiscipline in today's game. Then again, if he was around for this era, maybe he'd be more disciplined.
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Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
Disagree. Ronaldo grew up dirt poor. Messi had to play against lads twice his size. They've both overcome plenty. It's just the pro hadn't these days is barely recognisable from the one Maradona played.
I was talking more in football terms than life, I'm aware of where both Ronaldo and Messi came from but Maradona played in an era when assault on 'fancy dans' was legal. Actually I don't think either of the boyos are soft by any means.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/may/19/maradona-argentina-mexico-football-outlaw-age
I'm sure you remember this tackle but I'll link it anyways https://youtu.be/CaEbB78GLyA
And Maradona getting his own back at a later date.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xwd0o
Messi and Ronaldo haven't scored a WC knockout goal??
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Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
I don't get the whole Maradona hype. I know he basically won the world cup on his own in 86 which was probably his best season in his peak, but comparing that to what Messi did in 2012 is ridiculous. I mean 91 goals in 69 games and probably 30+ assists. Those numbers will probably never be seen in my lifetime again. If I were to rank them I'd go 1. Messi 2. Pele 3. Cristiano Ronaldo. 4. Maradona 5. George Best
At World level Messi has not been able to pruduce the goods like Maradonna and Pele. Pele 1 Maradona 2 Messi 3
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Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
Disagree. Ronaldo grew up dirt poor. Messi had to play against lads twice his size. They've both overcome plenty. It's just the pro hadn't these days is barely recognisable from the one Maradona played.
If anyone thinks Maradonna's personal indisapline would allow him to be a great player in the modern era they're fooling themselves. Messi and particularly Ronaldo are obsessive in their preparation in a way Maradona never had the sense to be.
Again, nobody has suggested that. You're in a roll tonight.
Of course he wouldn't get away with his indiscipline in today's game. Then again, if he was around for this era, maybe he'd be more disciplined.
Did I say that? You fall over yourself to make an ass out of yourself sometimes. Try being less aggressive.
Quote from: Nanderson on June 30, 2018, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 30, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I think it depends on your age, I'd be very much in the Maradona camp too but would respect people's opinion of including Messi and Ronaldo into the debate.
Maradona was a Street fighter, still is :), in a way neither of those guys ever had to be.
I don't get the whole Maradona hype. I know he basically won the world cup on his own in 86 which was probably his best season in his peak, but comparing that to what Messi did in 2012 is ridiculous. I mean 91 goals in 69 games and probably 30+ assists. Those numbers will probably never be seen in my lifetime again. If I were to rank them I'd go 1. Messi 2. Pele 3. Cristiano Ronaldo. 4. Maradona 5. George Best
I'll not change your opinion any more than you will change mine, but genius isn't covered simply by stats. Messi and Ronaldo played in free flowing La Liga football teams when constant tactical fouling hadreplaced savagery.. Maradona played a lot of his football in the ultra cautious Italian league where he was fair game. I'd reckon the 2 Italian titles he won with Napoli were his pinnicle especially his 1st one.
What age are you by the way?
Maradona didn't set the world alight at Barcelona.
Obviously many backing Ronaldo and Messi are of a younger age group and probably they best don't even remember the times tackles from behind were legal @fotball is not better nowadays but assault on forwards has been a removed from the making the game more free flowing! Its more than world's cup@ he made Napoli sthing in a league with 2 Milans, juventus, and roma and lazio in a time the best players in the world played in that league!
I'd say there is a lot of nostalgia attached to people voting for Maradona. He was shite in plenty of games too! Messi and Ronaldo won't be fully appreciated until they are retired. They are definitely in the argument for best ever and we got to watch them going to toe to toe with each other for the guts of 15 years.
Maradona and Messi are/were more team players than Ronaldo. He always reminds me of a lad in our club( think most clubs have one)......how did 'yous' get on today? ......I scored 1-5....but how did the match go? ....oh we were beat by 6 points. It's all about him.
Anyway it's all a matter of opinion, and certainly age groups will differ, but I have been blessed to see them all albeit on tv Pele, Best, Maradona, Messi and Ronaldo.
No doubt in my mind. Maradona all the way
1 Maradona
2 Messi
3 Pele
4 Ronaldo
5 Cruyff
6 Best
7 PlatinI
8 Beckenbauer
9 Gullit
10 Francis (Trevor, not Kevin)
It's like saying which was the gretest ever gaa forward. Totally subjective.
What about best ever World Cup goal?
Eder 82
https://youtu.be/jx9KMhX4lzo
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1 Maradona
2 Messi
3 Pele
4 Ronaldo
5 Cruyff
6 Best
7 PlatinI
8 Beckenbauer
9 Gullit
10 Francis (Trevor, not Kevin)
Who had the most la sting impact on soccer? Who is the reason Pep is manager of Man City? The reason Messi is who is?
https://youtu.be/CYtzf7YD8oY
Xabi Alonsoooooooooooooooooooooo
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1 Maradona
2 Messi
3 Pele
4 Ronaldo
5 Cruyff
6 Best
7 PlatinI
8 Beckenbauer
9 Gullit
10 Francis (Trevor, not Kevin)
Who had the most la sting impact on soccer? Who is the reason Pep is manager of Man City? The reason Messi is who is?
https://youtu.be/CYtzf7YD8oY
Oh how I remember that piece of skill and that team. Probably the second best team (international) I ever saw.
How would Messi or Ronaldo fair in that era where the likes of maradona would get the legs cut off them on a regular basis by tough defenders.
Maradona as big a idiot as he was has produced more moments of genius in tougher environments.
He also produced for his country at the World Cup which gives him the nod.
Some people just don't want to accept that the greatest footballer to ever kick a ball also happened to be a self centered, self destructive ignorant clown.
Still not an excuse to deprive Him of his status as the best ever.
No matter about any of them - I've rarely seen a player with a work rate like suarez. His will to win is phenomenal. He is a bit of an unsavoury character but he must be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2018, 11:11:27 AM
It's like saying which was the gretest ever gaa forward. Totally subjective.
The greatest of the great have to have the ability to do things that no other player can do, that appear almost superhuman, that can't be coached, because they are by definition only achievable by geniuses.
There have been very few of those type of players in history.
Pele, Maradona, Messi and Ronaldinho are the four that immediately spring to mind. When each was in their prime, no other player in the world could come close to their genius.
Then you have to balance that against their achievements. George Best's ability was in the same bracket as the above four. But his achievements weren't.
Of those four, for me Maradona wins.
He had the purest ability to beat a man that has ever existed, and he performed on the greatest stage of all in a way nobody else ever had or will. He was a fantastic team player with the ability to lift those around him, he had longevity.
His peak, and his genius, was higher than anybody else's. All the above four regularly performed feats on a football pitch which were jaw-dropping. But none of them were more jaw-dropping than Maradona's.
Ranking the greatest players in GAA for me follows a similar logic. That's why I'd always rank DJ Carey above Henry Shefflin or Peter Canavan above Maurice Fitzgerald. Carey and Canavan regularly performed feats which were jaw-dropping, and which no other player had to ability to perform. Great as Shefflin and Fitzgerald were, they didn't.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
No matter about any of them - I've rarely seen a player with a work rate like suarez. His will to win is phenomenal. He is a bit of an unsavoury character but he must be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Have to agree
Not the sort of chap you would like standing behind you if he was hungry but putting in a great shift for his country.
I often contemplate is ronaldo and Messi's performances in the World Cup compared club the absence of salary.
When you look at Suarez or Cavani your not questioning the commitment.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2018, 11:11:27 AM
It's like saying which was the gretest ever gaa forward. Totally subjective.
The greatest of the great have to have the ability to do things that no other player can do, that appear almost superhuman, that can't be coached, because they are by definition only achievable by geniuses.
There have been very few of those type of players in history.
Pele, Maradona, Messi and Ronaldinho are the four that immediately spring to mind. When each was in their prime, no other player in the world could come close to their genius.
Then you have to balance that against their achievements. George Best's ability was in the same bracket as the above four. But his achievements weren't.
Of those four, for me Maradona wins.
He had the purest ability to beat a man that has ever existed, and he performed on the greatest stage of all in a way nobody else ever had or will. He was a fantastic team player with the ability to lift those around him, he had longevity.
His peak, and his genius, was higher than anybody else's. All the above four regularly performed feats on a football pitch which were jaw-dropping. But none of them were more jaw-dropping than Maradona's.
Ranking the greatest players in GAA for me follows a similar logic. That's why I'd always rank DJ Carey above Henry Shefflin or Peter Canavan above Maurice Fitzgerald. Carey and Canavan regularly performed feats which were jaw-dropping, and which no other player had to ability to perform. Great as Shefflin and Fitzgerald were, they didn't.
Good analysis though Pele durability, skill level, achievements and ability to perform the extradordinary were up there with Maradona. Pele won 3 World Cups and to score such a goal in a World Cup final at 17! then 12 years later hung in the air to head the ball to the net in the 1970 final. Pele had it all beating men, shot, heading ability, long career...
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on July 01, 2018, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
No matter about any of them - I've rarely seen a player with a work rate like suarez. His will to win is phenomenal. He is a bit of an unsavoury character but he must be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Have to agree
Not the sort of chap you would like standing behind you if he was hungry but putting in a great shift for his country.
I often contemplate is ronaldo and Messi's performances in the World Cup compared club the absence of salary.
When you look at Suarez or Cavani your not questioning the commitment.
You're hard on Ronaldo and Messi, I have never seen any lack of commitment from either of them. Nearly 300 caps between the two of them.
I read a stat that in the croatia game messi covered less ground than any other outfield player in the tournament - that far - and casper schmeichel covered more ground in one of his games than messi against croatia.
How true that is i am not sure but he doesn't cover that much ground at times!
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on July 01, 2018, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
No matter about any of them - I've rarely seen a player with a work rate like suarez. His will to win is phenomenal. He is a bit of an unsavoury character but he must be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Have to agree
Not the sort of chap you would like standing behind you if he was hungry but putting in a great shift for his country.
I often contemplate is ronaldo and Messi's performances in the World Cup compared club the absence of salary.
When you look at Suarez or Cavani your not questioning the commitment.
You picked out the Uraguay forward with the second best workrate there. Cavani is a better player now IMHO.
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on July 01, 2018, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
No matter about any of them - I've rarely seen a player with a work rate like suarez. His will to win is phenomenal. He is a bit of an unsavoury character but he must be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Have to agree
Not the sort of chap you would like standing behind you if he was hungry but putting in a great shift for his country.
I often contemplate is ronaldo and Messi's performances in the World Cup compared club the absence of salary.
When you look at Suarez or Cavani your not questioning the commitment.
You picked out the Uraguay forward with the second best workrate there. Cavani is a better player now IMHO.
Per usual you didn't read my post
Was responding to another poster regarding Suarez and brought Cavani into my response in the same light- do always have to get it wrong.
Cavani to me is the player of the tournament to date
His calf injury might impact his performances from here on in but he has been fantastic.
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Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on July 01, 2018, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
No matter about any of them - I've rarely seen a player with a work rate like suarez. His will to win is phenomenal. He is a bit of an unsavoury character but he must be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Have to agree
Not the sort of chap you would like standing behind you if he was hungry but putting in a great shift for his country.
I often contemplate is ronaldo and Messi's performances in the World Cup compared club the absence of salary.
When you look at Suarez or Cavani your not questioning the commitment.
You picked out the Uraguay forward with the second best workrate there. Cavani is a better player now IMHO.
Per usual you didn't read my post
Was responding to another poster regarding Suarez and brought Cavani into my response in the same light- do always have to get it wrong.
Cavani to me is the player of the tournament to date
His calf injury might impact his performances from here on in but he has been fantastic.
What a pointlessly aggressive start. I read your post well enough the first time.
Yeah uruguay in general have a work rate that is phenomenal. Cavani was fantastic yesterday and has a great work rate. Suarez has to be the most dogged player out there but cavani probably a bit more gifted. Godin one of the hardiest out there too.
France against uruguay will be very good. Pogba was fantastic spraying it around yesterday but hard to see him get that space against uruguay. Be interesting to see how he adapts.
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
Quote from: ziggy90 on July 01, 2018, 11:11:02 AM
1 Maradona
2 Messi
3 Pele
4 Ronaldo
5 Cruyff
6 Best
7 PlatinI
8 Beckenbauer
9 Gullit
10 Francis (Trevor, not Kevin)
Where's zidane? Probably the era I grew up in but he is easily in my top 5
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
His definition of what aggressive is and what my definition of aggressive is couldn't be more different.
That's snowflakes for you though I suppose....
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
Yet more nonsense. The irony of you complaining about polluting a thread when this is one of your contributions, without any relation to the topic, is lost on very few people.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2018, 11:11:27 AM
It's like saying which was the gretest ever gaa forward. Totally subjective.
What about best ever World Cup goal?
Eder 82
https://youtu.be/jx9KMhX4lzo
Carlos Alberto 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5HbmeNKino
Bergkamp v Argentina is one of the great World Cup goals
https://youtu.be/XsZkCFoqSBs
Always remember this one from USA 1994
https://youtu.be/FxDNewTtlXU
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
A complete head melt
I would say as a child his mother use to tie a bone round his neck so the dog would play with him.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on July 01, 2018, 05:01:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
A complete head melt
I would say as a child his mother use to tie a bone round his neck so the dog would play with him.
You're just embarrassing yourself now.
Spain knocked out by Russia :o The more big hitters that get knocked out the more of a chance England have of winning this World Cup.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2018, 05:41:15 PM
Spain knocked out by Russia :o The more big hitters that get knocked out the more of a chance England have of winning this World Cup.
Columbia still have the beating of them. We might get a novel team in the WC final, though. In my lifetime only Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Italy, France, Spain and the Netherlands have played in the WC final. The last time two of those teams didn't make up the final pairing was 1966.
Spain were muck! Deserve what they get for poor play, sacking their manager was a possibly a big mistake
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2018, 05:41:15 PM
Spain knocked out by Russia :o The more big hitters that get knocked out the more of a chance England have of winning this World Cup.
Unbelievable Jeff
Karma for Ramos
Sad that a team that played for penalties gets through.
The russians aren't the most likeable but its always great to see the hosts doing well when totally written off. Spain were on borrowed time once they foolishly got rid of their manager before the World cup.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2018, 05:41:15 PM
Spain knocked out by Russia :o The more big hitters that get knocked out the more of a chance England have of winning this World Cup.
opening up for england. Football looks like its definitely coming home!!
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2018, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2018, 05:41:15 PM
Spain knocked out by Russia :o The more big hitters that get knocked out the more of a chance England have of winning this World Cup.
Unbelievable Jeff
Karma for Ramos
?
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 01, 2018, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2018, 05:41:15 PM
Spain knocked out by Russia :o The more big hitters that get knocked out the more of a chance England have of winning this World Cup.
opening up for england. Football looks like its definitely coming home!!
wise up!
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
It looks we were, alright.
Is that game on Englands side of the draw ?
Quote from: Minder on July 01, 2018, 06:06:51 PM
Is that game on Englands side of the draw ?
Yes.
England have a toughest possible route to the final of Colombia, Switzerland and Croatia.
Anybody who thinks they haven't a right good chance of reaching the final now is fooling themselves.
It's right there for them. They'll never, ever have a softer route to a final than this.
Whether they can take it is another thing. But I think the winners of England v Colombia will make the final.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
It looks we were, alright.
The match ended in a draw, Sid. Don't puff your chest out too much.
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
It looks we were, alright.
The match ended in a draw, Sid. Don't puff your chest out too much.
I'm happy enough with my predictions so far.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
France v Argentina: France should win this at a canter, but I don't trust them - the Aussies and Peru troubled them. Argentina are so shapeless that I think France will get there, but on a narrow scoreline, maybe 2-1.
Uruguay v Portugal: 0-0 and penalties. Uruguay to win that with it not reaching the final Portuguese penalty.
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
It looks we were, alright.
The match ended in a draw, Sid. Don't puff your chest out too much.
I'm happy enough with my predictions so far.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
France v Argentina: France should win this at a canter, but I don't trust them - the Aussies and Peru troubled them. Argentina are so shapeless that I think France will get there, but on a narrow scoreline, maybe 2-1.
Uruguay v Portugal: 0-0 and penalties. Uruguay to win that with it not reaching the final Portuguese penalty.
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Must be top of the predictions competition
Some start to this game 2 goals in the first 3 minutes.
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
It looks we were, alright.
The match ended in a draw, Sid. Don't puff your chest out too much.
Holy God, what possesses you to post the stuff that you post?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 01, 2018, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
It looks we were, alright.
The match ended in a draw, Sid. Don't puff your chest out too much.
Holy God, what possesses you to post the stuff that you post?
How did Mayo do against Kildare, again?
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2018, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
His definition of what aggressive is and what my definition of aggressive is couldn't be more different.
That's snowflakes for you though I suppose....
;D The definition of a snowflake who talks about irony in other posts and doesn't see that every post of his is loaded with it. The irony ;D
Spain the same old spain. Good up until final third. Very open tournament but still you couldn't see England near winning. Think colombia will beat them. France, uruguay, belgium in that order...
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 01, 2018, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 01, 2018, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
There's a 'reasonable chance' that Russia beats Spain? Have we been watching a different tournament, Sid?
It looks we were, alright.
The match ended in a draw, Sid. Don't puff your chest out too much.
Holy God, what possesses you to post the stuff that you post?
How did Mayo do against Kildare, again?
What's that got to do with it?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2018, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
His definition of what aggressive is and what my definition of aggressive is couldn't be more different.
That's snowflakes for you though I suppose....
;D The definition of a snowflake who talks about irony in other posts and doesn't see that every post of his is loaded with it. The irony ;D
Spain the same old spain. Good up until final third. Very open tournament but still you couldn't see England near winning. Think colombia will beat them. France, uruguay, belgium in that order...
Using the word 'snowflake' with a straight face says more than enough about both of you that I don't need to add anything more.
A poorly taken penalty by Modric.
Very poor. Schmeichel well off his line though. Will Modric have the balls to take one in the penalty shootout.
Disappointed with Croatia. Thought they would win this handy enough.
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2018, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
His definition of what aggressive is and what my definition of aggressive is couldn't be more different.
That's snowflakes for you though I suppose....
;D The definition of a snowflake who talks about irony in other posts and doesn't see that every post of his is loaded with it. The irony ;D
Spain the same old spain. Good up until final third. Very open tournament but still you couldn't see England near winning. Think colombia will beat them. France, uruguay, belgium in that order...
Using the word 'snowflake' with a straight face says more than enough about both of you that I don't need to add anything more.
;D how do you know i had a straight face when using it? Ah that's right you know everything.
denmark much better here. Croatia very disappointing. Poor penalty from modric.
Brian Kerr is some craic if you can get past that grating accent
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2018, 09:31:29 PM
Very poor. Schmeichel well off his line though. Will Modric have the balls to take one in the penalty shootout.
Disappointed with Croatia. Thought they would win this handy enough.
He did and scored fair play to him.
Yup fair play. Took some balls that.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2018, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
His definition of what aggressive is and what my definition of aggressive is couldn't be more different.
That's snowflakes for you though I suppose....
;D The definition of a snowflake who talks about irony in other posts and doesn't see that every post of his is loaded with it. The irony ;D
Spain the same old spain. Good up until final third. Very open tournament but still you couldn't see England near winning. Think colombia will beat them. France, uruguay, belgium in that order...
Using the word 'snowflake' with a straight face says more than enough about both of you that I don't need to add anything more.
;D how do you know i had a straight face when using it? Ah that's right you know everything.
denmark much better here. Croatia very disappointing. Poor penalty from modric.
Because nothing you wrote used the term as a joke. Christ.
Well done Croatia and I hope they beat Russia next.
Best team lost really. Big improvement required from croatia.
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2018, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
Everyone is apparently getting aggressive on poor syferus ;D nothing to do with the fact he pulls anyone up on anything they say even when they didn't say it and then gets defensive when pulled on it ;D
Ps is there any thread you don't pollute >:(
His definition of what aggressive is and what my definition of aggressive is couldn't be more different.
That's snowflakes for you though I suppose....
;D The definition of a snowflake who talks about irony in other posts and doesn't see that every post of his is loaded with it. The irony ;D
Spain the same old spain. Good up until final third. Very open tournament but still you couldn't see England near winning. Think colombia will beat them. France, uruguay, belgium in that order...
Using the word 'snowflake' with a straight face says more than enough about both of you that I don't need to add anything more.
We didn't ask you to add anything. That's your problem right there. You always think everyone wants to hear your opinion. No one does.
Croatia can do better. Denmark are a very good team and well worth the 5-1 in BAC.
Quote from: longballin on July 01, 2018, 09:41:20 PM
Brian Kerr is some craic if you can get past that grating accent
He's an absolutely brilliant analyst. Knows the game inside out at all levels.
I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Some difference in De Gea and Schmeichel in shoot outs. De Gea looked like a wee timid boy, never looked like saving anything.
I'd gladly swop them for United.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2018, 09:51:56 PM
Croatia can do better. Denmark are a very good team and well worth the 5-1 in BAC.
How did we lose that game 5-1 to that team and give up a hat trick to eriksen.
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 10:00:03 PM
I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Quote from: straightred on July 01, 2018, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 10:00:03 PM
I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Kerr is right by a strict reading of the rule book, with little regard for how it being implemented would actually effect the game. It's telling that it was Kerr, Sadler and Maloney pushing that angle while the top level player in Didi had a very different take.
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I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Kerr is right by a strict reading of the rule book, with little regard for how it being implemented would actually effect the game. It's telling that it was Kerr, Sadler and Maloney pushing that angle while the top level player in Didi had a very different take.
its the world cup. doesnt get any bigger and ref got it badly wrong. Its daft to try and argue otherwise. Should have sent the dane off as well for the foul. 2 awful non decisions in a minute - don't expect him to get any more games in this tournament
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I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Kerr is right by a strict reading of the rule book, with little regard for how it being implemented would actually effect the game. It's telling that it was Kerr, Sadler and Maloney pushing that angle while the top level player in Didi had a very different take.
its the world cup. doesnt get any bigger and ref got it badly wrong. Its daft to try and argue otherwise. Should have sent the dane off as well for the foul. 2 awful non decisions in a minute - don't expect him to get any more games in this tournament
The foul for the penalty was a yellow at best. You seem like you come from the Byron Moreno school of refereeing.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 01, 2018, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2018, 09:31:29 PM
Very poor. Schmeichel well off his line though. Will Modric have the balls to take one in the penalty shootout.
Disappointed with Croatia. Thought they would win this handy enough.
He did and scored fair play to him.
Modric's penalty in the shoot-out was worse than the one he had saved. He timidly hit it along the ground dead centre.
The Croatian goalkeeper was brilliant in the shoot-out, especially considering he dropped an almighty clanger in the first minute of the match.
Some strange penalty-taking choices from the Danes. Thought Poulsen and Sisto would have stepped up, likelweise Rebic for Croatia.
Croatia looked like the pressure got to them during the match itself - they hadn't got through a knock-out tie in a major finals since 1998, and it was a very lacklustre performance from them. But having got over the Danes from a situation where they looked the much less likely team going into the shoot-out, I think they now have the ability to step it up significantly against Russia and get to a semi-final.
Hope you're right. I'll be in Croatia when the semi final takes place.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 01, 2018, 10:04:46 PM
Some difference in De Gea and Schmeichel in shoot outs. De Gea looked like a wee timid boy, never looked like saving anything.
I'd gladly swop them for United.
Has De Gea ever saved a pen? The fecker saves everything thrown at him in the EPL but jeez he was awful in the world cup
Croatia got a slice of luck last night. Both they and Spain show that if you don't really try to score you could be in trouble. England will never have a better opportunity to win something.
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I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Kerr is right by a strict reading of the rule book, with little regard for how it being implemented would actually effect the game. It's telling that it was Kerr, Sadler and Maloney pushing that angle while the top level player in Didi had a very different take.
its the world cup. doesnt get any bigger and ref got it badly wrong. Its daft to try and argue otherwise. Should have sent the dane off as well for the foul. 2 awful non decisions in a minute - don't expect him to get any more games in this tournament
The foul for the penalty was a yellow at best. You seem like you come from the Byron Moreno school of refereeing.
Bull. The Danish defender may have thought I'll try and make it look like a genuine attempt at getting the ball. However he was tackling wrong side so never getting it. Red.
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Quote from: Syferus on July 01, 2018, 10:00:03 PM
I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Kerr is right by a strict reading of the rule book, with little regard for how it being implemented would actually effect the game. It's telling that it was Kerr, Sadler and Maloney pushing that angle while the top level player in Didi had a very different take.
its the world cup. doesnt get any bigger and ref got it badly wrong. Its daft to try and argue otherwise. Should have sent the dane off as well for the foul. 2 awful non decisions in a minute - don't expect him to get any more games in this tournament
The foul for the penalty was a yellow at best. You seem like you come from the Byron Moreno school of refereeing.
Bull. The Danish defender may have thought I'll try and make it look like a genuine attempt at getting the ball. However he was tackling wrong side so never getting it. Red.
Was there not a rule change whereby you cant be punished twice for the same incident (a red card and a penalty)?
Only it they think it was a genuine attempt to play to ball, a deliberate hack down is still a red card.
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I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Kerr is right by a strict reading of the rule book, with little regard for how it being implemented would actually effect the game. It's telling that it was Kerr, Sadler and Maloney pushing that angle while the top level player in Didi had a very different take.
its the world cup. doesnt get any bigger and ref got it badly wrong. Its daft to try and argue otherwise. Should have sent the dane off as well for the foul. 2 awful non decisions in a minute - don't expect him to get any more games in this tournament
The foul for the penalty was a yellow at best. You seem like you come from the Byron Moreno school of refereeing.
Bull. The Danish defender may have thought I'll try and make it look like a genuine attempt at getting the ball. However he was tackling wrong side so never getting it. Red.
Was there not a rule change whereby you cant be punished twice for the same incident (a red card and a penalty)?
No, dunno where you heard that. Really should've been a red IMO.
Still a red if ref deems tackle or offence deliberate. If the ref feels a genuine attempt to play the ball was made a yellow is enough. The Danish player was wrong side so he could never have played the ball.
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I'm amazed Didi had the self-control not tell Maloney or Sadler to shut the fûck about U17s shïte. The rule of the keeper not coming off the line at all is so severe and hard to enforce because it involves two seperate actions that most referees exercise plenty of discretion, and rightly so. The rule should change to legalise minimal encroachment if only to shut up Brian Kerr.
Thats your opinion but with respect it is completely irrelevant. The rule is there whether you agree with it or not and it wasn't enforced. Both russian saves should have been retaken as well. Kerr is 100% right. It was enforced against us in a lessor competition. Why not today ?
Kerr is right by a strict reading of the rule book, with little regard for how it being implemented would actually effect the game. It's telling that it was Kerr, Sadler and Maloney pushing that angle while the top level player in Didi had a very different take.
its the world cup. doesnt get any bigger and ref got it badly wrong. Its daft to try and argue otherwise. Should have sent the dane off as well for the foul. 2 awful non decisions in a minute - don't expect him to get any more games in this tournament
The foul for the penalty was a yellow at best. You seem like you come from the Byron Moreno school of refereeing.
Bull. The Danish defender may have thought I'll try and make it look like a genuine attempt at getting the ball. However he was tackling wrong side so never getting it. Red.
Was there not a rule change whereby you cant be punished twice for the same incident (a red card and a penalty)?
No, dunno where you heard that. Really should've been a red IMO.
He's right, there is a rule change that stops 'double' punishment. The awarding of the penalty is seen as giving the attacking team the goalscoring opportunity back, so it's not an automatic red card now if a foul denies a goalscoring opportunity in the box.
However if the ref feels the foul was deliberate, like Suarez' handball v Ghana, or a hack down, he can still give the red card as well as the penalty.
As far as I know outside the box is still a red card because the goalscoring opportunity cannot be given back to the attacking team.
Feck this match more Hope Solo.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 02, 2018, 02:53:44 PM
Feck this match more Hope Solo.
Interesting she says football instead of soccer.
Despite Neymar being an absolute pussy there, ur man should be getting a card...
You couldn't kick Neymar enough. Couldn't like him if ye breastfed him.
Belgium v Brazil in the quarter final should be a great game. As long as belgium beat Japan that is.
I get the impression that Brazil have at least one more gear if needed.
Hard to like any team with Neymar on ut
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 02, 2018, 02:53:44 PM
Feck this match more Hope Solo.
If RTE had a guy who had allegations of domestic abuse against him on the show there would be uproar. The case was thrown out on a technicality and they way she acted towards the cops is brutal. Should t be near our telly
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Feck this match more Hope Solo.
If RTE had a guy who had allegations of domestic abuse against him on the show there would be uproar. The case was thrown out on a technicality and they way she acted towards the cops is brutal. Should t be near our telly
Agreed. Same goes for Paddy Jackson and his less talented buddies.
I don't believe it!
Japan 2-0 ahead i suppose we'll see what this Belgium side are really made of now.
Nangolan or however you spell his name is badly missed from the Belgian side imho. He didn't even make the squad.
Southgate a genius to have England avoid Japan.
G that game should be making it the WFT thread! I looks like some amount of talented players in the world have not made the last 8 this world cup
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 02, 2018, 02:53:44 PM
Feck this match more Hope Solo.
If RTE had a guy who had allegations of domestic abuse against him on the show there would be uproar. The case was thrown out on a technicality and they way she acted towards the cops is brutal. Should t be near our telly
Agreed. Same goes for Paddy Jackson and his less talented buddies.
Relevance?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
G that game should be making it the WFT thread! I looks like some amount of talented players in the world have not made the last 8 this world cup
Work rate, heart and organisation go a long way in international football. Some of the more talented and bigger nations seem to lack this whether it be egos or whatever causes it i dunno.
Only downside is i have belgium in the work sweepstake.
Belgium always disappoint but in my view martinez a poor manager and not the right guy for the job.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
G that game should be making it the WFT thread! I looks like some amount of talented players in the world have not made the last 8 this world cup
Work rate, heart and organisation go a long way in international football. Some of the more talented and bigger nations seem to lack this whether it be egos or whatever causes it i dunno.
Only downside is i have belgium in the work sweepstake.
Belgium always disappoint but in my view martinez a poor manager and not the right guy for the job.
How's that working out now? Big Coco the clown has it
My sweepstake looking better.
I still think martinez is a poor manager and belgium if they do well will do so in spite of him.
Big coco has looked ok this tournament.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
My sweepstake looking better.
I still think martinez is a poor manager and belgium if they do well will do so in spite of him.
Big coco has looked ok this tournament.
He's plan b in fairness, which some of the bigger teams haven't got! England have that option also in Vardy and Rashford... Belgium could still go out here! Loving the shocks
Japan might be the best watch in the WC. Magic.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
My sweepstake looking better.
I still think martinez is a poor manager and belgium if they do well will do so in spite of him.
Big coco has looked ok this tournament.
He's plan b in fairness, which some of the bigger teams haven't got! England have that option also in Vardy and Rashford... Belgium could still go out here! Loving the shocks
Great world cup. Hope a lesser team wins it. (though not england who joking aside are actually one of the lesser teams)
Japan did not deserve that.
Worthy of winning any game!
Some comeback by Belgium but not sure what Japan were at before that 3rd goal was conceded.
Some game superb effort from the Japanese they had a couple of chances to go another ahead too.
It looked ominous when De Bruyne picked up the ball after that corner!
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 02, 2018, 08:54:03 PM
Some comeback by Belgium but not sure what Japan were at before that 3rd goal was conceded.
Trying to win it. Can't have a go at them for that.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 02, 2018, 08:54:03 PM
Some comeback by Belgium but not sure what Japan were at before that 3rd goal was conceded.
Trying to win it. Can't have a go at them for that.
You can for their naive defending. They should have at least brought it to extra time.
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Some comeback by Belgium but not sure what Japan were at before that 3rd goal was conceded.
Trying to win it. Can't have a go at them for that.
You can for their naive defending. They should have at least brought it to extra time.
And lost in extra time. They tried to win it. Fair play to them.
A mate got Belgium at 12/1 when 2-0. Put 100 on it.
Fair play to him and it's great to hear these stories but you always hear the wins and not the losses
How Carrasco gets to play in the World Cup is a mystery. He wouldn't get a game for Antrim. His attitude is awful too.
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I don't believe it!
Good enough for the b**tards.
I was hoping they'd win because they're a good team and they've a Celtic player. but I'm always interested in your logic for not supporting a team.
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I don't believe it!
Good enough for the b**tards.
I was hoping they'd win because they're a good team and they've a Celtic player. but I'm always interested in your logic for not supporting a team.
who they dropped tonight. Kompany was a great player but not any more. He'll cost them before this tournament is over
Belgium were lucky with the fluke of a goal that got them back into the game. Apart from that the outcome was inevitable.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2018, 12:07:50 AM
Belgium were lucky with the fluke of a goal that got them back into the game. Apart from that the outcome was inevitable.
Japan had a free kick that Honda nearly converted in the 92nd minute and yet the result of inevitable? Right.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2018, 12:07:50 AM
Belgium were lucky with the fluke of a goal that got them back into the game. Apart from that the outcome was inevitable.
Those fluke goals come from the pressure they applied.. Japan scored their first from a counterattack against the run of play.. the best team won, some people prefer the underdog and I do too if they deserve it, Belgium had nearly 60% possession, 24 shots 8 on target forced 10 corners, compare that to 11 shots and 4 on target, one team deserved to win
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I don't believe it!
Good enough for the b**tards.
I was hoping they'd win because they're a good team and they've a Celtic player. but I'm always interested in your logic for not supporting a team.
Their deplorable actions in the Congo rules them out against most of the world for me.
That would rule out most nations that have raped and pillaged, you'd have preferred Japan to win?
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Quote from: hardstation on July 02, 2018, 08:13:52 PM
Quote from: AQMP on July 02, 2018, 08:12:54 PM
I don't believe it!
Good enough for the b**tards.
I was hoping they'd win because they're a good team and they've a Celtic player. but I'm always interested in your logic for not supporting a team.
Their deplorable actions in the Congo rules them out against most of the world for me.
That would rule out most nations that have raped and pillaged, you'd have preferred Japan to win?
Yes. I had to chose one over the other.
It often comes down to the lesser of two evils. Not many are worse than Belgium for me.
Lesser of two evils, hmmmm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2018, 08:44:11 AM
That is definitely less.
One of many, but safe to say there ain't that many countries who don't have a past.. and there is no relevance to a soccer team.
Yes indeed. This conversation is between me and HS only. So HS Sweden and Switzerland, who are we cheering for today, and why?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 03, 2018, 03:36:48 PM
Yes indeed. This conversation is between me and HS only. So HS Sweden and Switzerland, who are we cheering for today, and why?
Fcuk the Swiss... though I love their chocolate! and Watches and Rodger Fed!
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2018, 03:49:06 PM
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Harry Kane anytime England win, should be the best bet, though I've backed Colombia on the predection competion! Couldnt force myself to like them (I mean their fans and media, the team Ive no issues with) enough to have money on them
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2018, 03:49:06 PM
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Harry Kane anytime England win, should be the best bet, though I've backed Colombia on the predection competion! Couldnt force myself to like them (I mean their fans and media, the team Ive no issues with) enough to have money on them
It's the PREDICITON Competition. Not the PREDECTION competition.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2018, 03:49:06 PM
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Harry Kane anytime England win, should be the best bet, though I've backed Colombia on the predection competion! Couldnt force myself to like them (I mean their fans and media, the team Ive no issues with) enough to have money on them
It's the PREDICITON Competition. Not the PREDECTION competition.
Thanks! Silly me, I'll be able to spell prediction now and not use predection :-*
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2018, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2018, 03:49:06 PM
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Harry Kane anytime England win, should be the best bet, though I've backed Colombia on the predection competion! Couldnt force myself to like them (I mean their fans and media, the team Ive no issues with) enough to have money on them
It's the PREDICITON Competition. Not the PREDECTION competition.
It's the what? prediciton?
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Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2018, 04:06:41 PM
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2018, 03:49:06 PM
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Harry Kane anytime England win, should be the best bet, though I've backed Colombia on the predection competion! Couldnt force myself to like them (I mean their fans and media, the team Ive no issues with) enough to have money on them
It's the PREDICITON Competition. Not the PREDECTION competition.
It's the what? prediciton?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28680.0
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2018, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 03, 2018, 03:36:48 PM
Yes indeed. This conversation is between me and HS only. So HS Sweden and Switzerland, who are we cheering for today, and why?
Both equally detestable but the Swiss are a horrible shower of cappo bastids so Sweden, just.
Yeah. My missus had a Swiss boyfriend during her college days so I'm glad we're not supporting them. Of course it's Columbia all the way tonight, yes?
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2018, 03:49:06 PM
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Harry Kane anytime England win, should be the best bet, though I've backed Colombia on the predection competion! Couldnt force myself to like them (I mean their fans and media, the team Ive no issues with) enough to have money on them
It's the PREDICITON Competition. Not the PREDECTION competition.
Thanks! Silly me, I'll be able to spell prediction now and not use predection :-*
Good stuff. Now you've that mastered you can have a go at 'competition'. ;)
Sweden have lovely colours.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2018, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 03, 2018, 03:49:06 PM
Anyone tempted by those odds bookmakers are offering for Colombia to beat England on penalties tonight?
Harry Kane anytime England win, should be the best bet, though I've backed Colombia on the predection competion! Couldnt force myself to like them (I mean their fans and media, the team Ive no issues with) enough to have money on them
It's the PREDICITON Competition. Not the PREDECTION competition.
Thanks! Silly me, I'll be able to spell prediction now and not use predection :-*
Good stuff. Now you've that mastered you can have a go at 'competition'. ;)
Wlil do! No sepll cehck on my pohne so evrey thnig bieng seplt worngly
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
Sweden have lovely colours.
They will have a colour clash on a Saturday though.
James is out for Colombia. Not even on the bench.
Switzerland were wojous
Good start by England, Sterling getting fired about like an U8.
Could of been red, woeful dive by Henderson though..
Pure red card.
Embarrassing
Ah Jaysus he definitely butts him, regardless of Henderson's reaction..
Quote from: Boycey on July 03, 2018, 07:44:18 PM
Ah Jaysus he definitely butts him, regardless of Henderson's reaction..
Henderson was pulling him before it
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Quote from: Boycey on July 03, 2018, 07:44:18 PM
Ah Jaysus he definitely butts him, regardless of Henderson's reaction..
Henderson was pulling him before it
And?
Ali can't be tired... Hasn't moved..
England actually much better here though not overly creative.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2018, 07:48:30 PM
Ali can't be tired... Hasn't moved..
England actually much better here though not overly creative.
its poor stuff in comparison to last nights game
Colombia actually look very poor. England ok but they won't be near winning the thing if they win this.
this could get nasty in the 2nd half
That was never a red card. It wasn't a proper head butt.
England much superior but wouldn't be surprised to see a Columbian snatch & grab.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2018, 07:57:56 PM
That was never a red card. It wasn't a proper head butt.
it probably was. yellow for the dunt into the chest but he did catch him on the chin on the way up and he probably knew what he was doing. Having said that - disgraceful from henderson. Let that be the end of their moaning about neymar
Hope Delicate Ali is ok
Ref couldn't wait to give that
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Ref couldn't wait to give that
What? That was one of the most ridiculous attempts at defending I've ever seen. Obvious penalty.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Ref couldn't wait to give that
kane started that but in fairness hes getting good at winning penos
He needs to start carding these boys. It's like man united used to be under fergie at ot.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Ref couldn't wait to give that
I hate the English as much as the next man but that was nailed on!
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2018, 08:17:00 PM
He needs to start carding these boys. It's like man united used to be under fergie at ot.
delighted henderson got one
England lining up at edge of penalty area for corners is really confusing defenders.
Was 0-0 written all over that game before that penalty goal.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 03, 2018, 08:18:48 PM
Was 0-0 written all over that game before that penalty goal.
England always looked like scoring, don't know what match you've been watching.
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2018, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Ref couldn't wait to give that
I hate the English as much as the next man but that was nailed on!
Not disputing the decision....stonewall penalty.
I hope England beat the hours by half a dozen, shower of tramps
I don't think that was a penalty from what I saw. Kane went down too easy.
Henderson red card for head butting?
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
I don't think that was a penalty from what I saw. Kane went down too easy.
henderson had a sneaky little butt as well - not as obvious at the columbian one but still......
The amount of play acting this world cup is unreal! I the sooner they start throwing out cards for playacting the better!
Columbia's discipline is the worst I've seen in a long time.
Ref clueless
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
Ref clueless
You're mad. He's doing a very good job dealing with a match played in a terrible spirit.
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
Ref clueless
You're mad. He's doing a very good job dealing with a match played in a terrible spirit.
did i miss maguire's yellow for diving ?
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:25:32 PM
Columbia's discipline is the worst I've seen in a long time.
Worst at this level definitely. A lot of refs would have a few off already.
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
Ref clueless
You're mad. He's doing a very good job dealing with a match played in a terrible spirit.
Hasn't dealt with the playacting
They remind me of a few Derry Gaelic clubs
What would these crying hoors be like if they had take a good gaa shoulder! Bunch of pansies
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 03, 2018, 08:18:48 PM
Was 0-0 written all over that game before that penalty goal.
England always looked like scoring, don't know what match you've been watching.
Yes you clearly have been watching a different match!
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
Ref clueless
You're mad. He's doing a very good job dealing with a match played in a terrible spirit.
Hasn't dealt with the playacting
If he gave out any more cards they could play Solitaire.
Hoddle said Maguire was honest about his dive!
Kane looking good for Golden Boot.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2018, 08:33:12 PM
Hoddle said Maguire was honest about his dive!
I know - Only waved his hand after pen wasn't given to avoid getting a yellow!
The commentator on ITV is a pain in the hole too.
For all England's dominance the Colombian keeper hasn't made too many saves.
Have Colombia had a shot on goal?
lingard should have a 2nd yellow there for that dive
Colombia have to get one chance
It's ok to dive if you're english.
Colombia playing a bit better but to be honest much the lesser team. Ali and sterling very poor and england still way better.
Quote from: Solo_run on July 03, 2018, 08:38:42 PM
Have Colombia had a shot on goal?
Stats show one on target to England's 2 shots on target, one being the goal ! 53% possession
Edit: 2 shots each now
He didn't dive u clowns: he kicked off the the defender foot
It's been a fascinating match, in an Ulster-championship sort of way.
Colombia awful. Lingard is a plonker. Should be off for diving and still giving away neeedless fouls.
(He dived after he kicked the foot)
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2018, 08:37:35 PM
Columbia are pure horseshit unfortunately.
worst match of the tournament
Dyer and Henderson gotta be an all time crap midfield pairing! I zero speed the pair of them
Get in
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!
ha - who was that clown on the post
Is that Colombias first corner?
That's what happens when u put a smurf on the line!!
Class
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2018, 08:56:52 PM
The half volley that brought the corner!!!
That deserved a goal
England never let you down at the WC. I love 'em.
Get in ....
Who put the short arse on the line ffs
England all night trying to score from a corner or set piece and they end up conceding a goal that way.
Please go to penalties 😎
columbia have been rubbish but who knows what will happen now
Possession
Colombia 48%
England 52%
Shots
Colombia 11
England 12
Shots on Target
Colombia 4
England 2
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 03, 2018, 09:02:14 PM
Possession
Colombia 48%
England 52%
Shots
Colombia 11
England 12
Shots on Target
Colombia 4
England 2
Are these real ? Doesn't seem that way
Quote from: straightred on July 03, 2018, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 03, 2018, 09:02:14 PM
Possession
Colombia 48%
England 52%
Shots
Colombia 11
England 12
Shots on Target
Colombia 4
England 2
Are these real ? Doesn't seem that way
Shots were 9 each
http://www.livescore.com/soccer/world-cup/round-of-16/colombia-vs-england/1-2059638/
At least England will have another half an hour of football in their legs before the quarter final if they get there.
Lies, damn lies and statistics..
young injured himself after he did the columbian - karma
The ref called it back cause Maguire wasn't ready? Or looking elsewhere?
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2018, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2018, 09:12:47 PM
The ref called it back cause Maguire wasn't ready? Or looking elsewhere?
That was a load of shite. He was distracted by something off the pitch.
whistle had gone though - much as it pains me to admit it
Bacca has to score.....headline 'Bacca in the USSR'
Have England created a single chance since the penalty?
Things just not going to plan for Old Blighty at the moment
Hoddle saying it's ok to dive cause they are doing it? Unreal
Just me and a Scotsman here cheering for Colombia😎 surrounded by thousands of English 😂
Surprised maguire didn't draw a square for the foul throw
The english media and commentary were ignoring Colombia and Sweden and taking about semi finals! This is where disrespect takes u! You take the eye of the ball and should worry only about the team in front of you
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 09:27:22 PM
Just me and a Scotsman here cheering for Colombia😎 surrounded by thousands of English 😂
Where are watching it?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2018, 09:35:53 PM
The english media and commentary were ignoring Columbia and Sweden and taking about semi finals! This is where disrespect takes u! You take the eye of the ball and should worry only about the team in front of you
I think I made that very point 3 pages ago
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 03, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 09:27:22 PM
Just me and a Scotsman here cheering for Colombia😎 surrounded by thousands of English 😂
Where are watching it?
Butlins in Minehead😎
Maybe the English will surprise us now and win a penalty shoot out in a World cup?
Bar staff shitting themselves.....I predict a riot😂
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2018, 09:35:53 PM
The english media and commentary were ignoring Columbia and Sweden and taking about semi finals! This is where disrespect takes u! You take the eye of the ball and should worry only about the team in front of you
I don't think the English media were playing tonight. I doubt the players were overlooking Colombia.
Why do players who are craping themselves about taking a penalty be allowed to take 1 whether they vol or not??
Some save
England won on penalties :o :o :o
Time to head for cover😩
Best team won
Right Sweden over to you
dunphy calls it right - keeper off the line again
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 09:54:50 PM
Best team won
Agreed. Colombia poor. England crapped themselves in normal time.
Thankfully that's over - I won't have to see Columbia spelled that way any longer.
Are we relying on Sweden and Croatia to stop them reaching a final! Not good;
Why Vardy not take one?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2018, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 09:54:50 PM
Best team won
Agreed. Colombia poor. England crapped themselves in normal time.
For alll of 3 mins that were left when Columbia scored. They were pish in the 1st half of ET but also bossed the 2nd half of ET.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2018, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 09:54:50 PM
Best team won
Agreed. Colombia poor. England crapped themselves in normal time.
England miles better for most of the game, Columbia an undisciplined rabble, showed they could play late on. Great penos from England bar Henderson obviously.
Glad Henderson didn't end up being the villain. Poor auld divil.
Jesus anyone see the reaction of the pundits on itv. Embarrassing stuff ;D they were in tears ;D
Colombian keeper didn't have too many saves to make against the better team.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:02:08 PM
Glad Henderson didn't end up being the villain. Poor auld divil.
Head butting is fine though and falling to the ground like Neymar is ok ;)
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 03, 2018, 10:00:10 PM
Why Vardy not take one?
Chicken Vardy.
Pleased for Ian Wright - he's good craic.
England stopped playing in the second half and nearly paid the price.
Well I'm not sure if I would rather see them beaten by Sweden or Croatia....just as long as they are beaten 😜
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2018, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:02:08 PM
Glad Henderson didn't end up being the villain. Poor auld divil.
Head butting is fine though and falling to the ground like Neymar is ok ;)
Not his proudest moments alright. Although mind you in real time that butt on the jaw had to be a jolt at least. No need to lie down for 2 minutes though. Although he is nowhere near Neymar. 🙂
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Southgate a likeable enough lad.
Would like to lick his beard.
England are like Fermanagh....they'll win nothing 😂
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Why do we think this England team is underestimating anyone? I don't get that sense from them at all. I think they know they are not the most talented bunch and will have to work hard to beat anybody.
Just because the S*n says they are winning it doesn't mean the players are.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Why do we think this England team is underestimating anyone? I don't get that sense from them at all. I think they know they are not the most talented bunch and will have to work hard to beat anybody.
Just because the S*n says they are winning it doesn't mean the players are.
But those that can read, read the Sun😜
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Why do we think this England team is underestimating anyone? I don't get that sense from them at all. I think they know they are not the most talented bunch and will have to work hard to beat anybody.
Just because the S*n says they are winning it doesn't mean the players are.
You'd have to laugh at the pundits saying their penalty shootout jinx is over. Nothing to do with a jinx. It's just they now have a manager who decided it would be a good idea to actually prepare in advance for the eventuality of a penalty shootout. Crazy that previous managers got away with the nonsense line that you cannot prepare for penalty shootouts.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 03, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
Ref clueless
You're mad. He's doing a very good job dealing with a match played in a terrible spirit.
Hasn't dealt with the playacting
The ref dealt with the playacting quite well, he just let it run its course, the game just continued on after the bout of histrionics. In general he had an excellent game in a "fiery latin" fixture.
I think its obvious the refs have been instructed to dish out a yellow instead of the red card, unless it's a blatantly red card offense. So many yellow cards could have been a red. It's a world cup, a separate elite tournament with a global audience, the pressures are intense and game after game exhausting for the players, why interfere with the delicate balance of the game with red cards. Goalies are even given leeway in the penalty shootouts. All in all, the officiating control of games has been excellent and the general standard of game has benefited from that leniency.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Why do we think this England team is underestimating anyone? I don't get that sense from them at all. I think they know they are not the most talented bunch and will have to work hard to beat anybody.
Just because the S*n says they are winning it doesn't mean the players are.
I like the players and manager too but in spite of that, the crap you have to listen too is tooooo much
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Why do we think this England team is underestimating anyone? I don't get that sense from them at all. I think they know they are not the most talented bunch and will have to work hard to beat anybody.
Just because the S*n says they are winning it doesn't mean the players are.
Not the angle I'm coming from as I have England backed, so i sure as f**k hope they don't underestimate them!
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Why do we think this England team is underestimating anyone? I don't get that sense from them at all. I think they know they are not the most talented bunch and will have to work hard to beat anybody.
Just because the S*n says they are winning it doesn't mean the players are.
Yeah all the noises from the squad seem to be very humble especially the manager.
Imagine being asked "was this a coming of age for your players tonight?" Southgate batted it away well but f**king English media are ridiculous. He's thinking we won a dogged game not playing so well let's try and win the next one.
It's the only way to do it if they can tune the nonsense out they have a real chance for a Final place!
Having said that it looks like the winner comes from Fridays games.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Underestimate the Swedes at their peril as well, a very honest hardworking team - the type of team who England would take for granted that they're going to beat because they're not all at glamorous clubs.
Why do we think this England team is underestimating anyone? I don't get that sense from them at all. I think they know they are not the most talented bunch and will have to work hard to beat anybody.
Just because the S*n says they are winning it doesn't mean the players are.
Not the angle I'm coming from as I have England backed, so i sure as f**k hope they don't underestimate them!
I have them in a pub sweepstakes
If ex players are thinking England should be beating the likes of Colombia then I be would say it would be the same with the players.
From an outside perspective this is Englands easiest run to a final, everything has fallen into place for them. However, they never scored a goal against Colombia in open play, Sweden will be a step up, I think they will get past them but after that they aren't going to do much. I fe**ing hope!
Typical the Liverpool player bottled his peno
Needed the Everton goalie to bail him out
Quote from: HiMucker on July 03, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
Jesus anyone see the reaction of the pundits on itv. Embarrassing stuff ;D they were in tears ;D
Just imagine if it was Ireland. Imagine.
For all their good players, England don't really have a system or style of play. As poor as Colombia were I can't think of too many England chances.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 10:42:22 PM
Typical the Liverpool player bottled his peno
Needed the Everton goalie to bail him out
Ara he should have caught the long range shot and it wouldn't have even gone to penalties. He does seem to be a decent keeper but I suppose he gets a lot of practice at Everton.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
France v Argentina: France should win this at a canter, but I don't trust them - the Aussies and Peru troubled them. Argentina are so shapeless that I think France will get there, but on a narrow scoreline, maybe 2-1.
Uruguay v Portugal: 0-0 and penalties. Uruguay to win that with it not reaching the final Portuguese penalty.
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Crotia v Denmark: Croatia have been impressive so far, but I sense a shock here. The Danes are dogged and organised, have not yet conceded a goal from play, and have Christian Eriksen. 1-0 to Denmark.
Brazil v Mexico: I suspect Mexico have shot their load and Brazil will brush them aside. 3-0.
Belgium v Japan: Workmanlike victory for Belgium. 2-0.
Sweden v Switzerland: Sweden have wreaked a trail of destruction, beating France in qualification and eliminating Italy and Germany. I think this may be as far as they go. They'll meet a team who are every bit as organised as they are, and have a touch more class. 1-0 to the Swiss.
Colombia v England: I think this could be a classic in the vein of Argentina v England 1998. Fascinating clash of styles. I expect England to have trouble with Colombia's passing style and I'd be very surprised if they don't concede. But in turn I expect Colombia to have a lot of problems with England's physicality. 2-2. England to finally slay their penalties bogey.
Which would leave the quarter-finals as:
Uruguay v France
Brazil v Belgium
Russia v Denmark
Switzerland v England
A reasonably good effort even if I may say so myself.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 10:42:22 PM
Typical the Liverpool player bottled his peno
Needed the Everton goalie to bail him out
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Quote from: sid waddell on July 03, 2018, 10:57:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2018, 12:42:43 AM
France v Argentina: France should win this at a canter, but I don't trust them - the Aussies and Peru troubled them. Argentina are so shapeless that I think France will get there, but on a narrow scoreline, maybe 2-1.
Uruguay v Portugal: 0-0 and penalties. Uruguay to win that with it not reaching the final Portuguese penalty.
Spain v Russia: Think there's a reasonable chance of a shock here. Spain have looked less impressive by the game and the departure of their manager may be beginning to show. I'll go with Russia to win on penalties after a 1-1 draw.
Crotia v Denmark: Croatia have been impressive so far, but I sense a shock here. The Danes are dogged and organised, have not yet conceded a goal from play, and have Christian Eriksen. 1-0 to Denmark.
Brazil v Mexico: I suspect Mexico have shot their load and Brazil will brush them aside. 3-0.
Belgium v Japan: Workmanlike victory for Belgium. 2-0.
Sweden v Switzerland: Sweden have wreaked a trail of destruction, beating France in qualification and eliminating Italy and Germany. I think this may be as far as they go. They'll meet a team who are every bit as organised as they are, and have a touch more class. 1-0 to the Swiss.
Colombia v England: I think this could be a classic in the vein of Argentina v England 1998. Fascinating clash of styles. I expect England to have trouble with Colombia's passing style and I'd be very surprised if they don't concede. But in turn I expect Colombia to have a lot of problems with England's physicality. 2-2. England to finally slay their penalties bogey.
Which would leave the quarter-finals as:
Uruguay v France
Brazil v Belgium
Russia v Denmark
Switzerland v England
A reasonably good effort even if I may say so myself.
Good effort?
Sweden will be well able to play against England. They will match up well against England at set peices. As that is Englands only real route to scoring goals in this tournament, it gives Sweden a good chance. I can see this one going to penalties as well.
Kane dived for the penalty he was awarded or he went down too easily.
Ffs the defender was hanging of him with both arms round him! The blame is with the player marking him@
The England penalty was a stonewaller.
And the Colombian chap's headbutt on Jordan Henderson was a stonewall red card.
Colombia disgraced themselves for most of the match. They were on top for probably 30 minutes (the last 15 of normal time and the first half of extra-time) but England were the better team for the other 90.
Justice was certainly done with England going through.
All defenders are at it ffs. Could easily pick incidents in the English penalty box that were pens
England landed a few headbutts themselves and were diving all over the place
However Colombia were doing it throughout. There was a period where they were more interested in winding England up more than playing football
Right, Sweden... It's over to you.
These wankers are too close to the final for my liking.
Sweden are a very dour team. Organised certainly, but dreadfully dour.
Lovers of the beautiful game such as myself will certainly be supporting England.
I like the World Cup final to be between two of the great powers of the game. For that to happen this time, England have to be involved.
An England v Brazil final is an absolutely mouthwatering prospect.
This England team are also a very likeable bunch of chaps indeed.
Sod off, Sid ;D
Quote from: sid waddell on July 03, 2018, 11:33:24 PM
Sweden are a very dour team. Organised certainly, but dreadfully dour.
Lovers of the beautiful game such as myself will certainly be supporting England.
I like the World Cup final to be between two of the great powers of the game. For that to happen this time, England have to be involved.
An England v Brazil final is an absolutely mouthwatering prospect.
This England team are also a very likeable bunch of chaps indeed.
You maybe didn't see the Sweden v Switzerland game today where Sweden made more chances in their 90 minute game than England did in 120 minutes. So lovers of the beautiful game will be more likely to support Sweden.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 03, 2018, 11:25:01 PM
The England penalty was a stonewaller.
And the Colombian chap's headbutt on Jordan Henderson was a stonewall red card.
Like fook was it a red card. And like fook was it a butt.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2018, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 03, 2018, 11:33:24 PM
Sweden are a very dour team. Organised certainly, but dreadfully dour.
Lovers of the beautiful game such as myself will certainly be supporting England.
I like the World Cup final to be between two of the great powers of the game. For that to happen this time, England have to be involved.
An England v Brazil final is an absolutely mouthwatering prospect.
This England team are also a very likeable bunch of chaps indeed.
You maybe didn't see the Sweden v Switzerland game today where Sweden made more chances in their 90 minute game than England did in 120 minutes. So lovers of the beautiful game will be more likely to support Sweden.
They are quite a likeable bunch though.
The two Harrys seem unusually civilised blokes for footballers. Them, plus likes of Henderson, Trippier, Rose, seem willing to make the most out of a little talent, which again isn't normal behaviour for an English professional in recent years. Even the more showy ones like Alii, Sterling, Lingard and Stones aren't that punchable.
England played tidy but mostly ineffective football for 70 mins and then looked shattered. Never in my life have I had sympathy for mollycoddled pros, but it would appear that the premiership season might take its toll.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2018, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 03, 2018, 11:33:24 PM
Sweden are a very dour team. Organised certainly, but dreadfully dour.
Lovers of the beautiful game such as myself will certainly be supporting England.
I like the World Cup final to be between two of the great powers of the game. For that to happen this time, England have to be involved.
An England v Brazil final is an absolutely mouthwatering prospect.
This England team are also a very likeable bunch of chaps indeed.
You maybe didn't see the Sweden v Switzerland game today where Sweden made more chances in their 90 minute game than England did in 120 minutes. So lovers of the beautiful game will be more likely to support Sweden.
I did see it. It was a dreadfully boring match. Credit to Sweden for winning it but one feels that had Lichtsteiner and Schaer been available to the Swiss, the result may well have been different.
Not one Swedish player would get into the England first XI.
England have more than enough firepower to prevail, with Harry Kane now standing on 6 goals and an unbackable favourite to win the Golden Boot.
Quote from: ONeill on July 03, 2018, 11:50:19 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 03, 2018, 11:25:01 PM
The England penalty was a stonewaller.
And the Colombian chap's headbutt on Jordan Henderson was a stonewall red card.
Like fook was it a red card. And like fook was it a butt.
It was much more of a headbutt than Charlie Redmond's in 1995, that's for sure.
I can't believe they won't meet a top 10 team until the final. Then they have a chance to fluke a WC
A World Cup is never fluked.
You could argue Denmark and Greece in the Euros but no way is a side in that bottom half winning it.
For those worrying about England winning, fear not, I have them in a sweep and I never win these things.
Some of you lads need to look at Croatia's teamsheet before you say no one in that half is capable of winning it.
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of the yobbo England fans have stayed home from this world cup after the battering they received from the Russians in France. They are missing out on all the fun. There has been no reported trouble from anyone at this tournament.
Wonder no more
https://www.metro.co.uk/2018/07/02/excited-football-fan-gets-beating-celebrating-top-police-car-7675864
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 03, 2018, 10:57:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 10:42:22 PM
Typical the Liverpool player bottled his peno
Needed the Everton goalie to bail him out
(https://fimgs.net/images/perfume/375x500.249.jpg)
Pretty much confirms the bitters are the number 1 team in Liverpool now
Two shots on target against Colombia🙄, goals conceded against world giants Tunisia, pub team Panama, beaten by Belgium reserves, and yet they are in the Quarterfinals. The standard has been very poor. Away to see if I can get a Sweden top😎
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 03, 2018, 10:57:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 10:42:22 PM
Typical the Liverpool player bottled his peno
Needed the Everton goalie to bail him out
(https://fimgs.net/images/perfume/375x500.249.jpg)
Pretty much confirms the bitters are the number 1 team in Liverpool now
All we need is Richard Keys to tweet it and it's confirmed !!!
Now that Engerland are in the quarters losing to Belgium looks smart .
The Swedes may be the IKEA furniture of the tournament.
Anyone else starting to worry??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 04, 2018, 07:50:26 AM
Anyone else starting to worry??
No worries, after all ....no way Brexit 😩, no way Trump😩😩.....as Homer Simpson says 'help us Jebus'😜
All Southgate needs is a measuring tape around his neck and he would fit right into Arnotts' clothing department.
Gutted for the Columbians, character, flair, technique, a carnival of colour and culture versus monotone, constipation and a suit salesman.
England scrape through.
Heja Sverige
I thought England just about shaded what was a very poor game. The incident with Henderson was a red card and penalty all day long though Henderson play acted and some England played were trying to get the Colombian sent off (both of which I thought England didn't do ;)). Eng created precious little and bar penalties and the odd corner look to have very little attacking threat. I think that will catch up with them at some stage. Of the four teams in the bottom of the draw I'd have Croatia well ahead of the other three who are much of a muchness, who could beat each other on any given day. I think Croatia will beat Russia if they go back to their attacking game which they didn't seem to do against Denmark. I fancy Eng Swe to go to pens. Swe are an "English" type side, strong (mentally as well), well organised but with little cutting edge, though they did hump Mex 3-0. Eng might get to the semi final but I'd think Croatia at 100% will take them apart, against Russia on the other hand they'd have a good chance. You need to attack the English centre halves and move the ball quickly to expose Eng's lack of pace. Also despite their first XI having a good long rest, they looked out on their feet at 75 mins. I still think the overall winner will come from the other half of the draw but one thing about this World Cup is that it has been unpredictable.
Sweden sound like they're quaking in their boots:
"We heard from Sweden coach Janne Andersson, but how are his players feeling about the prospect of facing England for a place in the semis? Needless to say, they're confident. Why wouldn't they be?
"Bring them on," said striker Marcus Berg. "Most of them have respect for us and we feel secure regardless of who we meet."
Last night's goalscorer Emil Forsberg said: "We have had nightmare opponents wherever we went, and no matter who we get they'll have to work hard to win. We believe in what we're doing and believe we can do something great, and that we can achieve something fantastic."
And midfielder Gustav Svensson said: "I don't think their players want to meet us. We have shown time and again that we are a team that no-one wants to meet, a team that allows very few goal chances. If you ask their players, I don't think any of them will want to meet us."
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Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
Quote from: AQMP on July 04, 2018, 08:09:16 AM
I thought England just about shaded what was a very poor game. The incident with Henderson was a red card and penalty all day long though Henderson play acted and some England played were trying to get the Colombian sent off (both of which I thought England didn't do ;)). Eng created precious little and bar penalties and the odd corner look to have very little attacking threat. I think that will catch up with them at some stage. Of the four teams in the bottom of the draw I'd have Croatia well ahead of the other three who are much of a muchness, who could beat each other on any given day. I think Croatia will beat Russia if they go back to their attacking game which they didn't seem to do against Denmark. I fancy Eng Swe to go to pens. Swe are an "English" type side, strong (mentally as well), well organised but with little cutting edge, though they did hump Mex 3-0. Eng might get to the semi final but I'd think Croatia at 100% will take them apart, against Russia on the other hand they'd have a good chance. You need to attack the English centre halves and move the ball quickly to expose Eng's lack of pace. Also despite their first XI having a good long rest, they looked out on their feet at 75 mins. I still think the overall winner will come from the other half of the draw but one thing about this World Cup is that it has been unpredictable.
It wasn't a penalty as the ball wasn't in play so it can't be. I think it was a red card though.
Quote from: winghalfun on July 04, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
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Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
He's a right oul' bollox, and a lump at that.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 04, 2018, 07:50:26 AM
Anyone else starting to worry??
Yes I'm getting very nervous. It's ruining my enjoyment to be honest because I didn't want to see any more upsets in case it would help them. Having said that they struggled against Tunisia beat a piss poor Panama lost to Belgium, were fortunate to beat Columbia on penos so they are shite and it'll be all the better when they get the chop, hopefully
don't worry they won't let us down... it'll end in England tears and the laughter of our children
Quote from: longballin on July 04, 2018, 10:02:06 AM
don't worry they won't let us down... it'll end in England tears and the laughter of our children
Will it though QF is mission accomplished for them. Sweden are pretty average. England are a better team than Sweden so SF and maybe beyond in play. England were crap in Italia 90 too yet people remember it as some massive success.
Quote from: AQMP on July 04, 2018, 08:09:16 AM
I thought England just about shaded what was a very poor game. The incident with Henderson was a red card and penalty all day long though Henderson play acted and some England played were trying to get the Colombian sent off (both of which I thought England didn't do ;)). Eng created precious little and bar penalties and the odd corner look to have very little attacking threat. I think that will catch up with them at some stage. Of the four teams in the bottom of the draw I'd have Croatia well ahead of the other three who are much of a muchness, who could beat each other on any given day. I think Croatia will beat Russia if they go back to their attacking game which they didn't seem to do against Denmark. I fancy Eng Swe to go to pens. Swe are an "English" type side, strong (mentally as well), well organised but with little cutting edge, though they did hump Mex 3-0. Eng might get to the semi final but I'd think Croatia at 100% will take them apart, against Russia on the other hand they'd have a good chance. You need to attack the English centre halves and move the ball quickly to expose Eng's lack of pace. Also despite their first XI having a good long rest, they looked out on their feet at 75 mins. I still think the overall winner will come from the other half of the draw but one thing about this World Cup is that it has been unpredictable.
It could not be a penalty as the ball was not in play at the time of the incident, dunno how many fools have claimed this should be a penalty. And this is not a matter of opinion or judgement.
As regards a red card I think the ref got it right.
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Quote from: longballin on July 04, 2018, 10:02:06 AM
don't worry they won't let us down... it'll end in England tears and the laughter of our children
Will it though QF is mission accomplished for them. Sweden are pretty average. England are a better team than Sweden so SF and maybe beyond in play. England were crap in Italia 90 too yet people remember it as some massive success.
I remember at the quarter final stage the press and pundits were saying they'd stuff Cameroon. Took a dive from Lineker to keep them in it when Cameroon were 2-1 up with 7 mins to go. But yes, echoes of 1990 here when a poor England team got to pens in the semi final. Mind you, Arg got to the final! For all the Irish exploits, quality wise it was very poor football.
Eric Dier is the grandson of the former FA secretary, Ted Croker.
Ted Croker is the only Croker anybody will care about on the afternoon of Sunday July 15th.
Nevertheless, credit to the GAA for putting on a rematch of the 1966 All-Ireland football final at the exact same time as the 2018 World Cup final.
A very good omen, and lovely British Islesian solidarity.
I presume they'll be showing the World Cup final on the big screens as the Galway-Kerry game takes place?
Quote from: LooseCannon on July 04, 2018, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: winghalfun on July 04, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
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Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
He's a right oul' bollox, and a lump at that.
Maybe he'll be Irish tomorrow
https://youtu.be/gdVioe4ro-Q
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2018, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on July 04, 2018, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: winghalfun on July 04, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
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10h
Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
He's a right oul' bollox, and a lump at that.
Maybe he'll be Irish tomorrow
https://youtu.be/gdVioe4ro-Q
It's perfectly possible to be British
and Irish simultaneously.
Examples of this include Mick McCarthy, B&I Line ferries, and the British and Irish Lions.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 04, 2018, 10:22:40 AM
Eric Dier is the grandson of the former FA secretary, Ted Croker.
Ted Croker is the only Croker anybody will care about on the afternoon of Sunday July 15th.
Nevertheless, crredit to the GAA for putting on a rematch of the 1966 All-Ireland football final at the exact same time as the 2018 World Cup final.
A very good omen, and lovely British Islesian solidarity.
I presume they'll be showing the World Cup final on the big screens as the Galway-Kerry game takes place?
Have Meath got back in to the c'ship?
England were marginally better and deserved to win. if Colombia had focused a bit more on the football they might have beaten England. Some of their antics were disgraceful. One of their staff shouldering Sterling on the way off at half time. What was that about? Colombia are where they deserve to be, on the plane home.
That penalty shootout could release a lot of pressure off them. Wouldn't be surprised to see them play well against Sweden.
Quote from: winghalfun on July 04, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
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Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
I wonder if he had his Poppy on while tweeting that?
Quote from: winghalfun on July 04, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
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Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
Some of the responses below it from our ones are embarrassing. Imagine if someone said they were proud to be Irish after a republic win and our irishness was deemed illegitimate.
Nolan is also obviously dipping his fishing rod in the water in the hope people will bite. Stop falling for it and just ignore him.
Quote from: LooseCannon on July 04, 2018, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: winghalfun on July 04, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
Stephen Nolan
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10h
Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
He's a right oul' bollox, and a lump at that.
During the game he tweeted he never felt more English. I thought it was a pisstake.
You lads getting all wound up by Nolan - why bother FFS ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 04, 2018, 12:56:06 PM
Nolan is also obviously dipping his fishing rod in the water in the hope people will bite.
Undoubtedly.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 04, 2018, 12:56:06 PM
Some of the responses below it from our ones are embarrassing. Imagine if someone said they were proud to be Irish after a republic win and our irishness was deemed illegitimate.
Of course and now he and his ilk are pointing that exact example out.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 04, 2018, 12:56:06 PM
Stop falling for it and just ignore him.
Too late.
/Jim.
He wouldn't know the difference between a rugby ball and a football.
Quote from: Armamike on July 04, 2018, 01:56:17 PM
He wouldn't know the difference between a rugby ball and a football.
Would probably eat them
Actually there are some positives from Old Blighty's continued if ultimately futile involvement. Tesco has some very good offers on beer, crisps,bbq meat and pizzas so it's not all bad.
Quote from: winghalfun on July 04, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
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Incredible what football and sport does .
I'm proud to be British today .
Well there goes an doubt about journalistic neutrality.
If he was truly British he would join his fellow Brits in Scotland and Wales in hoping than England lose.
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
Had a wee glance thro the young boys wall chart (ok ive been fillin it in too lol) and i think it was Germany then Spain who royally fxuked things up overall for that side of the draw.
I agree the 4 best teams are all in the other side
Quote from: lenny on July 05, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
Bullsh1t on so many levels
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 05, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
Had a wee glance thro the young boys wall chart (ok ive been fillin it in too lol) and i think it was Germany then Spain who royally fxuked things up overall for that side of the draw.
I agree the 4 best teams are all in the other side
The draw is what it is, if they seeded teams as in Germany and Spain had not gone out you would have had them and England on the other side which would have been another 3 strong teams to match the other side.
I think it is great to see different teams making it through, Germany were rubbish and Spain were off colour after the incident with their manager. So alls fair.
Quote from: lenny on July 05, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
Sure why bother with a World Cup at all?
Should just get Brazil to play France and whoever wins is given the cup.
Plus you have the added factor of Russia being at home. Home countries have a good track record in the WC and it wouldn't surprise me to see them in the semis.
Quote from: NAG1 on July 05, 2018, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 05, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
Had a wee glance thro the young boys wall chart (ok ive been fillin it in too lol) and i think it was Germany then Spain who royally fxuked things up overall for that side of the draw.
I agree the 4 best teams are all in the other side
The draw is what it is, if they seeded teams as in Germany and Spain had not gone out you would have had them and England on the other side which would have been another 3 strong teams to match the other side.
I think it is great to see different teams making it through, Germany were rubbish and Spain were off colour after the incident with their manager. So alls fair.
Germany and Spain were highly fancied before the tournament.
A lot of the big teams flopped this time. That is sport.
England deserve a bit of luck anyway.
I think Croatia were very nervous the last day. There is probably a lot of pressure on them from home
What is really interesting is the difference in the last 20 years between Croatia and Serbia. They both contributed to the great Yugoslavia team that should have won the 92 Euros and to the legendary Red Star who won the 91 European Cup but Serbia have been operating at a lower level recently.
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2018, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on July 05, 2018, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 05, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
Had a wee glance thro the young boys wall chart (ok ive been fillin it in too lol) and i think it was Germany then Spain who royally fxuked things up overall for that side of the draw.
I agree the 4 best teams are all in the other side
The draw is what it is, if they seeded teams as in Germany and Spain had not gone out you would have had them and England on the other side which would have been another 3 strong teams to match the other side.
I think it is great to see different teams making it through, Germany were rubbish and Spain were off colour after the incident with their manager. So alls fair.
Germany and Spain were highly fancied before the tournament.
A lot of the big teams flopped this time. That is sport.
England deserve a bit of luck anyway.
I think Croatia were very nervous the last day. There is probably a lot of pressure on them from home
What is really interesting is the difference in the last 20 years between Croatia and Serbia. They both contributed to the great Yugoslavia team that should have won the 92 Euros and to the legendary Red Star who won the 91 European Cup but Serbia have been operating at a lower level recently.
Just think how great an All Ireland team would be............ ::)
Quote from: lenny on July 05, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
If the 'big' teams aren't good enough so be it. That's sport. Any team that makes it through the final fully deserves their chance. I remember Germany getting through to the 2002 final with a poor enough side. The big countries can have ropey teams too.
Quote from: lenny on July 05, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
This might be the worst post on this WC that I've seen, if it's actually serious.
This is easily the most exciting WC in my lifetime.
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2018, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on July 05, 2018, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 05, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
Had a wee glance thro the young boys wall chart (ok ive been fillin it in too lol) and i think it was Germany then Spain who royally fxuked things up overall for that side of the draw.
I agree the 4 best teams are all in the other side
The draw is what it is, if they seeded teams as in Germany and Spain had not gone out you would have had them and England on the other side which would have been another 3 strong teams to match the other side.
I think it is great to see different teams making it through, Germany were rubbish and Spain were off colour after the incident with their manager. So alls fair.
Germany and Spain were highly fancied before the tournament.
A lot of the big teams flopped this time. That is sport.
England deserve a bit of luck anyway.
I think Croatia were very nervous the last day. There is probably a lot of pressure on them from home
What is really interesting is the difference in the last 20 years between Croatia and Serbia. They both contributed to the great Yugoslavia team that should have won the 92 Euros and to the legendary Red Star who won the 91 European Cup but Serbia have been operating at a lower level recently.
That's cos the Croats are taigs 8)
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 05, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
This might be the worst post on this WC that I've seen, if it's actually serious.
This is easily the most exciting WC in my lifetime.
But that's not very long !
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/rescuers-draining-thai-cave-in-hope-football-team-can-walk-out-before-rains
One Thai navy Seal member who spent time with the boys said they "were always asking about the World Cup. I told them that all the big teams had gone home.
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Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 05, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
This might be the worst post on this WC that I've seen, if it's actually serious.
This is easily the most exciting WC in my lifetime.
But that's not very long !
Long enough to have seen the USSR fall.
This world cup has been entertaining, that's for sure. Has it even been better than 2014 though? Not in my book.
Quote from: gallsman on July 05, 2018, 09:41:43 PM
This world cup has been entertaining, that's for sure. Has it even been better than 2014 though? Not in my book.
Comparing it to the same stage of the 2014 tournament, it definitely has been.
And from the quarter-finals onwards, the 2014 tournament was very poor.
Brazil-Germany was obviously memorable but that was because it was a total freak show which showcased a hapless incompetence never before seen from a team seen as a World Cup contender, not because of it being a classic match, which it wasn't.
England will be in final six this time tomorrow. Inching closer.
If they win v Sweden, they will be in Russia for the final week as there is a 3rd/4th place playoff.
Jesus England had one decent game, hammered Panama, struggled v Tunisia and needed penalties v Columbia! In between got duffed by Belgium! Regardless of the draw England will get caught out..
The difference between previous England teams is obvious, no individual taking the limelight, but unfortunately passion and pride in playing for your country is still missing from their performances.. winning one set of penalties can be lucky, winning two? (hopefully) impossible!
Do the Neymar!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_7JskPDjWY
Seriously, lets go Uruguay!!! I have 100 on them at 16 to 1.
Quote from: lenny on July 05, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
The world cup needs some kind of more robust seeding because this year the final will totally be devalued with a very weak team in it. One of england, sweden, croatia or russia will make the final. On the other side of the draw there are 4 very strong teams all of whom would be worthy fianlists. It would've been great to see a final of Brazil/belgium v Uruguay/France.
England in this tournament have reached the qf and the only teams they have beaten are tunisia and panama. I can see their game v sweden going to pens but if they come through that they will most likely be beaten by croatia who are technically far superior.
It does have a seeding system, it's called the group stages!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2018, 12:01:42 AM
Jesus England had one decent game, hammered Panama, struggled v Tunisia and needed penalties v Columbia! In between got duffed by Belgium! Regardless of the draw England will get caught out..
The difference between previous England teams is obvious, no individual taking the limelight, but unfortunately passion and pride in playing for your country is still missing from their performances.. winning one set of penalties can be lucky, winning two? (hopefully) impossible!
I can see the sweden match ending 0-0 or 1-1 and going to penalties. Neither team has much creativity but both are well organised so there won't be many chances. England could win another shootout because they have prepared well for that scenario. They could reach a world cup semi with their only victories being against panama and tunisia.
And only goals thus far via pens and corners i think....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 06, 2018, 11:45:51 AM
And only goals thus far via pens and corners i think....
Lingard and a deflection of Harry Kane's heel are the only ones from open play so far.
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 06, 2018, 11:45:51 AM
And only goals thus far via pens and corners i think....
Lingard and a deflection of Harry Kane's heel are the only ones from open play so far.
Yeah they dont create massive amounts of chances but I think this more European type match will play into their hands.
Most of the time in the Colombian game Harry Kane ended up playing in a deeper number 10 type role. In this game I would imagine he will be pushed right up the pitch and they will have runners all around him.
Sweden are a bit light going forward and hard to see where a goal comes from.
Drink flying off the shelves here in Blighty, met a bunch of lads this morning in Asda, they had 3 large trolleys full of booze....I asked when does the party start? .....they said 12 today and hopefully all weekend 😜. I said good luck though gritted teeth😂. Can't blame them, imagine if Ireland were in QF of a World Cup, there would be some partying😎
Anyone seen the "its coming home" page on FB
I chuckled
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 06, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
Anyone seen the "its coming home" page on FB
I chuckled
I bet you didn't chuckle half as hard as England fans would have chuckled at all the "Mayo For Sam" Facebook pages and flags and all the rest over the last six years, if they knew anything about Gaelic football of course.
Quote from: gallsman on July 05, 2018, 09:41:43 PM
This world cup has been entertaining, that's for sure. Has it even been better than 2014 though? Not in my book.
I don't think any World Cup will come near 1982 in my opinion.
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
I'll be honest, the current England team & the media plays little to no part in me hoping they get stuffed in every game they play.
So I assume it's Uruguay this afternoon if only because their Air Traffic Controllers aren't holding the rest of their continent to ransom
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 06, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
Drink flying off the shelves here in Blighty, met a bunch of lads this morning in Asda, they had 3 large trolleys full of booze....I asked when does the party start? .....they said 12 today and hopefully all weekend 😜. I said good luck though gritted teeth😂. Can't blame them, imagine if Ireland were in QF of a World Cup, there would be some partying😎
Ireland were, and there was.
Absolutely mental times.. It's hard to relate to someone who is too young to remember it how batshit crazy the whole country went...
28 fecking years ago :o
In 1990 I was still playing GAA and rugby, wouldn't have had much interest in soccer to be honest, but yes can remember the penalty shoot out and then Toto Schillaci.
Quote from: Boycey on July 06, 2018, 03:32:12 PM
Absolutely mental times.. It's hard to relate to someone who is too young to remember it how batshit crazy the whole country went...
28 fecking years ago :o
I remember the shoot out v Romania. I was sitting in Hineys in Ferbane, they used to have a few sections with high stools around tables, and every so often a little wooden partition to separate the booths. I was sitting on one of them, and when Packie saved Timofte's shot, I jumped up and cracked the plaster on the ceiling. It was still cracked until about 5 years ago when they remodeled :)
Ive loads of memories but my main one is from the quarter finals by which time I'd made my way to London to work for the summer. We went to Kiiburn high Rd to watch it in McGoverns. The place was stuffed from about 4 hours before the game. After the defeat thousands poured out onto the High Rd from the dozen of so Irish Bars and a huge singsong began with every rebel song getting a lusty rendition. We danced around and on top of cars as the local constabulary watched on til they decided after an hour so we'd blocked one of London's main arteries for long enough and moved us on.
The night England were knocked on penos I remember an older Irish guy who looked as though he'd not got a pot to piss in parading up and down the High Rd with a huge German flag on a pole..
Karius!!!!!!
RTE commentator trying to claw back from calling that a Bonnaresque goalkeeping error! :D
At least Packie only made one notable mistake in a game.
It was memorable that's for sure but he had many good days too. Terry Phelan was a nitemare that day too. Second round V Holland in Orlando... USA '94.
Gary Neville is some twat.
I think Uruguay are going to turn turk. Anyone else wondering if Suarez will hold it together?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 06, 2018, 04:27:11 PM
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Karius!!!!!!
Did you see the video?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5921501/Liverpool-keeper-Loris-Karius-posts-slick-Instagram-clip-pre-season-fitness-work-Los-Angeles.html
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Quote from: AZOffaly on July 06, 2018, 04:20:09 PM
Karius!!!!!!
Did you see the video?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5921501/Liverpool-keeper-Loris-Karius-posts-slick-Instagram-clip-pre-season-fitness-work-Los-Angeles.html
As ye bucks up there say "He's not wise".
No harm in it though.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on July 06, 2018, 04:20:09 PM
Karius!!!!!!
Did you see the video?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5921501/Liverpool-keeper-Loris-Karius-posts-slick-Instagram-clip-pre-season-fitness-work-Los-Angeles.html
As ye bucks up there say "He's not wise".
No harm in it though.
Some legend added the Baywatch theme to it on Twitter, excellent stuff!
https://twitter.com/_transferman/status/1014786450049634306
Football fans missed Cavani today.
Hate Gary Neville
Commentator doesn't remember a player crying before the game was over like that Uruguay dude.... Gascoigne?
France v Brazil next is basically the final in all but name.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
France v Brazil next is basically the final in all but name.
wtf :o
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
France v Brazil next is basically the final in all but name.
I wouldn't write off Belgium beating Brazil. Neither would I write off Croatia or someone beating the winners in a once off. Particularly France. None of the other 4 teams will fear France.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
France v Brazil next is basically the final in all but name.
Not your finest moment.
Eamo's class, Pogba is so bad he's making Griezmann play shite too ;D
the worry from an "hope to fcuk England don't win" viewpoint is that by the time the team from Fra/Bel/Bra get to the final will they have in effect played their final, thus giving the "lesser" team a chance; which is why I wouldn't discount Croatia, or even England, god forbid...
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 06, 2018, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
France v Brazil next is basically the final in all but name.
I wouldn't write off Belgium beating Brazil. Neither would I write off Croatia or someone beating the winners in a once off. Particularly France. None of the other 4 teams will fear France.
Belgium would need to improve on their last showing to stand any chance of beating Brazil
As much as i love Brazil that diving p***k up front doesnt deserve to win a world cup
Belgium v Brazil should be the game of the tournament. So much talent on both sides.
Hope Belgium win, can't stand that diving cheat.
Maybe Belgium will win. They have a big height advantage over Brazil which could be exploited from set pieces.
Klinsman talking about diving😂😂
All that talk about height advantage for Belgium and Brazil nearly score from their first two corners.
RTE highlighted before the game how good Brazil were on corners for marking space...
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
France v Brazil next is basically the final in all but name.
Not your finest moment.
Jesus you really are a condescending hoor
Captain Obvious' prediction is going from bad to worse.
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2018, 07:18:51 PM
Captain Obvious' prediction is going for bad to worse.
But why do you feel a need to make a comment like that?
Uh oh. Brazil are completely at sea now. Have had lots of the ball but it's Belgium that look like scoring any time they get into the Brazilian half.
Any time Brazil attack Belgium look like scoring. Marcello no interest in being in position.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 06, 2018, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2018, 07:18:51 PM
Captain Obvious' prediction is going for bad to worse.
But why do you feel a need to make a comment like that?
Because he's a massive ar$ehole
De Bruyne a joy to watch
It's like noone told Brazil that Belgium do counterattacks.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 06, 2018, 07:51:26 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2018, 07:18:51 PM
Captain Obvious' prediction is going for bad to worse.
But why do you feel a need to make a comment like that?
Because he's a massive ar$ehole
It's more than ironic that you feel that post of all the ones on this board is worthy of that sort of nonsensical ad hominem attack. Strange, strange double standards.
It might help if Belgium, y'know, mark Neymar.
Edit: I guess we're not getting a World Cup final this year.
EU 2 Mercosur 1.
Brazil like Cavan. Won it 5 times but relying too much on glorious past and unlikely to win it again.
Yet to c the game; much diving outta the roll round king the nite??
Quote from: Captain Obvi 8)ous on July 06, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
France v Brazil next is basically the final in all but name.
When trying to be clever wins the stupidest message of the World Cup
Yep. Just the half dozen or so
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Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2018, 07:18:51 PM
Captain Obvious' prediction is going for bad to worse.
But why do you feel a need to make a comment like that?
Because he's a massive ar$ehole
LMAO
Best thing about any cup competition is the underdog winning. Delighted for Belgium.
But are they a real underdog? Just look at the players they have!@
Apart from boring old England its a mostly enjoyable World cup so far.
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2018, 08:42:30 PM
It might help if Belgium, y'know, mark Neymar.
Edit: I guess we're not getting a World Cup final this year.
Fellaini had him in his pocket.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2018, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 06, 2018, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 06, 2018, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2018, 07:18:51 PM
Captain Obvious' prediction is going for bad to worse.
But why do you feel a need to make a comment like that?
Because he's a massive ar$ehole
LMAO
Best thing about any cup competition is the underdog winning. Delighted for Belgium.
My commiserations.
Funny how subdued it is here in England. If we got this far we'd have painted every wall, every car, cat, dog and small child green. They really don't go in for wearing the colours. There's the odd house with a flag but it's not that many.
That said there's a good few now thinking they'll win the thing but honestly they're behind Belgium, France, Croatia and not much better than Sweden if at all. They would probably beat Russia but i wouldn't bet in that either.
Still if they win fair play to them but I think just reaching a semi would be a huge achievement for the quality they have.
Quote from: thejuice on July 06, 2018, 11:18:51 PM
Funny how subdued it is here in England. If we got this far we'd have painted every wall, every car, cat, dog and small child green. They really don't go in for wearing the colours. There's the odd house with a flag but it's not that many.
That said there's a good few now thinking they'll win the thing but honestly they're behind Belgium, France, Croatia and not much better than Sweden if at all. They would probably beat Russia but i wouldn't bet in that either.
Still if they win fair play to them but I think just reaching a semi would be a huge achievement for the quality they have.
Isn't being pro England seen as being anti British?
I don't think it's that much of a factor more I think it's seen as a very working class thing to do.
Judgement Day.
There will be no Stockholm Syndrome for England
With only European teams left surely England will want to get the hell out of there ASAP.
Englands coming home
Just watching bbc breakfast there! These idiots have lost the run of themselves ! You literally think they are straight through to the final already 2 games out! You compare the news and shearer/ linker and co who making idiots of themselves compated to the low profile approach of the manager and the players!
Either team to qualify in extra time 11/2 or Sweden to win on penalties 8/1 is very tempting odds
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2018, 09:03:18 AM
Just watching bbc breakfast there! These idiots have lost the run of themselves ! You literally think they are straight through to the final already 2 games out! You compare the news and shearer/ linker and co who making idiots of themselves compated to the low profile approach of the manager and the players!
No fan of the English, but agree about Southgate and the players- seem likeable enough crowdahoors.
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 07, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2018, 09:03:18 AM
Just watching bbc breakfast there! These idiots have lost the run of themselves ! You literally think they are straight through to the final already 2 games out! You compare the news and shearer/ linker and co who making idiots of themselves compated to the low profile approach of the manager and the players!
No fan of the English, but agree about Southgate and the players- seem likeable enough crowdahoors.
I've been living in England for years and am friends with a lot of lads who are supporting England and the whole "its coming home" stuff is massively tongue in cheek. They are just genuinely excited / surprised about being in a position where the draw seems to have opened up for them - and why shouldn't they? I remember in 2002 genuinely thinking Ireland could make a semi final as South Korea were waiting in the quarter final if we had beaten Spain. I had completely lost the run of myself - and don't me started on Italia 90. If people cant get excited during the build up to a (winnable) world cup quarter final then I don't know when is acceptable. Having said that..... I hope the feckers lose.
Wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041nXAAn714
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 12:29:35 PM
Wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041nXAAn714
Ah here Sid. A joke's a joke but that made me feel queasy.
Two poor teams but Sweden are woeful
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 03:31:42 PM
Two poor teams but Sweden are woeful
both teams look bad alright keeper and guy on post left it for each other there for goal
1-0 to England. No way back for Sweden.
Awful football
Watching Sweden must be like what it's what for the rest of the world when Ireland are playing. So limited, so slow. England will win by 3-4 if Swedes push up.
What is better about this WC is that the moronic brass section that follow England haven't made it over (yet).
Feck sake lads - the Roscommon Armagh match is very entertaining. Well worth watching
Quote from: DickyRock on July 07, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Feck sake lads - the Roscommon Armagh match is very entertaining. Well worth watching
If it isn't blocked - have to listen on Radio and watch Engerland.
By the way - Sterling is a greedy wee fecker.
Quote from: DickyRock on July 07, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Feck sake lads - the Roscommon Armagh match is very entertaining. Well worth watching
Go watch it then - why waste your time telling other people to watch it
Sweden have been pure dirt
England have best keeper in the competition... he's their main man not Kane
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 04:16:22 PM
Sweden have been pure dirt
You could say England have been very good, or would that kill you. ;D
Quote from: Stan Laurel on July 07, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 04:16:22 PM
Sweden have been pure dirt
You could say England have been very good, or would that kill you. ;D
Wouldn't kill me in the slightest - they have been excellent
Quote from: Stan Laurel on July 07, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 04:16:22 PM
Sweden have been pure dirt
You could say England have been very good, or would that kill you. ;D
England have been effecient, Sweden have not. It's Cavan vs Kerry.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 04:04:56 PM
Quote from: DickyRock on July 07, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Feck sake lads - the Roscommon Armagh match is very entertaining. Well worth watching
Go watch it then - why waste your time telling other people to watch it
Half time Gabriel 🖕. People complaining how shite the England match was when there was a good match elsewhere.
Sweden are pure shite.
Would somebody put those England bastids out so I can start enjoying this World Cup!
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
England have best keeper in the competition... he's their main man not Kane
Made a few nice saves today alright. Might get a move to a big club after the tournament.
Easy enough for England really. They were by far the better team.
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
England have best keeper in the competition... he's their main man not Kane
He's at best the third best keeer left in the tournament ffs.
Kane is the best player left.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2018, 05:01:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
England have best keeper in the competition... he's their main man not Kane
He's at best the third best keeer left in the tournament ffs.
Kane is the best player left.
:D
If I had received a euro every time I'd read or heard some Irish ABE know it all talk about how English fans are "deluded", I'd have had enough to treat a large group of people to a very expensive night out in Soho, return flights to and from London plus Heathrow Express fares included.
It's now very apparent who is living with delusion and who is not.
England have a live chance of winning this World Cup.
That was a very professional performance - they brushed aside, with the minimum of fuss, a Sweden team who had eliminated Germany, Holland, Itay and Switzerland, and beaten France in qualification.
Whatever happens now, the tournament has been a roaring success for Gareth Southgate's boys, however, when England qualify for a major semi-final, they are never, ever there to make up the numbers.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
If I had received a euro every time I'd read or heard some Irish ABE know it all talk about how English fans are "deluded", I'd have had enough to treat a large group of people to a very expensive night out in Soho, return flights to and from London plus Heathrow Express fares included.
It's now very apparent who is living with delusion and who is not.
England have a live chance of winning this World Cup.
That was a very professional performance - they brushed aside, with the minimum of fuss, a Sweden team who had eliminated Germany, Holland, Itay and Switzerland, and beaten France in qualification.
Whatever happens now, the tournament has been a roaring success for Gareth Southgate's boys, however, when England qualify for a major semi-final, they are never, ever there to make up the numbers.
England supporter goes orgasmic ::)
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
If I had received a euro every time I'd read or heard some Irish ABE know it all talk about how English fans are "deluded", I'd have had enough to treat a large group of people to a very expensive night out in Soho, return flights to and from London plus Heathrow Express fares included.
It's now very apparent who is living with delusion and who is not.
England have a live chance of winning this World Cup.
That was a very professional performance - they brushed aside, with the minimum of fuss, a Sweden team who had eliminated Germany, Holland, Itay and Switzerland, and beaten France in qualification.
Whatever happens now, the tournament has been a roaring success for Gareth Southgate's boys, however, when England qualify for a major semi-final, they are never, ever there to make up the numbers.
England supporter goes orgasmic ::)
I'm not an England supporter, but I was supporting them today and I'll be supporting them on Wednesday too.
And I'm tremendously enjoying people like you absolutely shitting yourself at the prospect that they might win it.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
If I had received a euro every time I'd read or heard some Irish ABE know it all talk about how English fans are "deluded", I'd have had enough to treat a large group of people to a very expensive night out in Soho, return flights to and from London plus Heathrow Express fares included.
It's now very apparent who is living with delusion and who is not.
England have a live chance of winning this World Cup.
That was a very professional performance - they brushed aside, with the minimum of fuss, a Sweden team who had eliminated Germany, Holland, Itay and Switzerland, and beaten France in qualification.
Whatever happens now, the tournament has been a roaring success for Gareth Southgate's boys, however, when England qualify for a major semi-final, they are never, ever there to make up the numbers.
England supporter goes orgasmic ::)
I'm not an England supporter, but I was supporting them today and I'll be supporting them on Wednesday too.
And I'm tremendously enjoying people like you absolutely shitting yourself at the prospect that they might win it.
not shitting at all they aren't going to win it... feel free to revisit this next week 8)
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Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
If I had received a euro every time I'd read or heard some Irish ABE know it all talk about how English fans are "deluded", I'd have had enough to treat a large group of people to a very expensive night out in Soho, return flights to and from London plus Heathrow Express fares included.
It's now very apparent who is living with delusion and who is not.
England have a live chance of winning this World Cup.
That was a very professional performance - they brushed aside, with the minimum of fuss, a Sweden team who had eliminated Germany, Holland, Itay and Switzerland, and beaten France in qualification.
Whatever happens now, the tournament has been a roaring success for Gareth Southgate's boys, however, when England qualify for a major semi-final, they are never, ever there to make up the numbers.
England supporter goes orgasmic ::)
I'm not an England supporter, but I was supporting them today and I'll be supporting them on Wednesday too.
And I'm tremendously enjoying people like you absolutely shitting yourself at the prospect that they might win it.
not shitting at all they aren't going to win it... feel free to revisit this next week 8)
England have already performed significantly above expectations. Whether they win it or not, they've already made mugs of the vast majority of people here who said they were up to nothing. They've proved they're a genuinely world class team, and whatever happens from now on, they'll rightly be treated as heroes on their return home.
That quite obviously sticks right in the craw of the likes of yourself, which is tremendously funny. ;D
Why are people shitting an England team winning a tournament?
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 07, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
If I had received a euro every time I'd read or heard some Irish ABE know it all talk about how English fans are "deluded", I'd have had enough to treat a large group of people to a very expensive night out in Soho, return flights to and from London plus Heathrow Express fares included.
It's now very apparent who is living with delusion and who is not.
England have a live chance of winning this World Cup.
That was a very professional performance - they brushed aside, with the minimum of fuss, a Sweden team who had eliminated Germany, Holland, Itay and Switzerland, and beaten France in qualification.
Whatever happens now, the tournament has been a roaring success for Gareth Southgate's boys, however, when England qualify for a major semi-final, they are never, ever there to make up the numbers.
England supporter goes orgasmic ::)
I'm not an England supporter, but I was supporting them today and I'll be supporting them on Wednesday too.
And I'm tremendously enjoying people like you absolutely shitting yourself at the prospect that they might win it.
not shitting at all they aren't going to win it... feel free to revisit this next week 8)
England have already performed significantly above expectations. Whether they win it or not, they've already made mugs of the vast majority of people here who said they were up to nothing. They've proved they're a genuinely world class team, and whatever happens from now on, they'll rightly be treated as heroes on their return home.
That quite obviously sticks right in the craw of the likes of yourself, which is tremendously funny. ;D
Good luck to you and your country through strange you troll a GAA Board :o
This guy talking about being a troll ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 05:47:47 PM
This guy talking about being a troll ::)
pot kettle yerself arbo - if yis want to wave union jacks and sing football's coming home work away! :)
Don't see the issue with anyone following England. Yes, their fans and media go on abit but if it was NI or ROI the same thing would happen! Seem to remember a few people thinking that ROI would have near won the World Cup had they beat Spain in 2002!
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 05:47:47 PM
This guy talking about being a troll ::)
pot kettle yerself arbo - if yis want to wave union jacks and sing football's coming home work away! :)
Stick to 365 buddy
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 07, 2018, 05:47:47 PM
This guy talking about being a troll ::)
pot kettle yerself arbo - if yis want to wave union jacks and sing football's coming home work away! :)
Stick to 365 buddy
Im not your buddy
Have had very little enjoyment with this World Cup while England are still lurking, I know it goes against the new virtue signallling of Irish people showing how right on they are by supporting them but there you are
Some performance by England, should have won by a lot more, WC there for the taking and I sure as f**k hope they take it £££
Quote from: Minder on July 07, 2018, 06:21:09 PM
Have had very little enjoyment with this World Cup while England are still lurking, I know it goes against the new virtue signallling of Irish people showing how right on they are by supporting them but there you are
same as that but you're right we live in a new dispensation :-[
Strange enough game. England were comfortable enough throughout, yet Pickford was awarded Man of The Match. There was a stat after the second goal went in showing both teams only had two shots on goal. England scored their two, Sweden didn't. After the match it stated that Sweden had more shots on goal.
England have scored 8 set play goals from 11 at the tournament yet teams still don't cover the posts at corners. This was their first clean sheet, they certainly have the momentum. I think they'll be in the final next Sunday and could go on and win it.
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 07, 2018, 06:21:09 PM
Have had very little enjoyment with this World Cup while England are still lurking, I know it goes against the new virtue signallling of Irish people showing how right on they are by supporting them but there you are
same as that but you're right we live in a new dispensation :-[
There's a huge difference in not been that arsed if they win it and supporting them.
As a United fan I'm well used to the 'Anyone But' syndrome but to my mind people waste far too much negative energy shouting against teams..
Camera men doing a decent job tonight.
England is a functional type team nothing more!"the amount of goals from set plays tell us that! They could get to a world cup final playing no team of a world cup pedgree! World cup not the same to me this year without Holland or italy! Its been a world cup of great goals but will be best remembered for all the diving and cheating
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Quote from: Minder on July 07, 2018, 06:21:09 PM
Have had very little enjoyment with this World Cup while England are still lurking, I know it goes against the new virtue signallling of Irish people showing how right on they are by supporting them but there you are
+1
They're all cnuts.
They have nothing on Tyrone lads.
Clown getting a yellow card for the celebrations. He could regret that.
Any cnut supporting England deserves lined up at a wall and shot in the head. Twice. f**k it bring it home.
Enjoyable that, glad Croatia won, if only to see Modric again he's a joy to watch..
Wonder if Putin will let all the mad hoolies out of the big forest he's been keeping them in now :)
Croatia *should* beat England, mind you they don't look like the most reliable types
Quote from: Minder on July 07, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Croatia *should* beat England, mind you they don't look like the most reliable types
England had it easy today and should be much fresher.
Could be another penalty shootout.
Quote from: Minder on July 07, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Croatia *should* beat England, mind you they don't look like the most reliable types
Croatia's midfield is much superior to England. But England's defence is better than Croatia's, and Harry Kane is better than all Croatia's forward combined.
So on balance I don't think there is favourite here. Paddy has England had favs, but bithe teams are odds against, which means there's no real favourite.
Should be a cracking game, different styles with plenty opportunities for both teams to score.. could be a 3-3 game!
I'll be cheering on Croatia as we'll be on holiday in Trogir (Croatia) would imagine the place will bouncing come Wednesday!
I've actually liked the England team and manager, but won't be supporting them
I've never been to Croatia, but I have had many enjoyable trips to England, so I'll be firmly behind the British Islesian boys.
Quote from: charlieTully on July 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Any cnut supporting England deserves lined up at a wall and shot in the head. Twice. f**k it bring it home.
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Any Belgian players watching this must feel like Fred Astaire watching a guy in a neck brace fall down an escalator
Ah g youse are sore on England! Me i rather see them get to the final! Country goes nuts! England leading and Belgium/ france score goals at the bitter end@ there never a bigger reality check when u see the glory but just cant bring it home! Thats the ones which hurt the most; just ask Mayo
Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2018, 10:09:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 07, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Croatia *should* beat England, mind you they don't look like the most reliable types
Croatia's midfield is much superior to England. But England's defence is better than Croatia's, and Harry Kane is better than all Croatia's forward combined.
So on balance I don't think there is favourite here. Paddy has England had favs, but bithe teams are odds against, which means there's no real favourite.
They think England are roughly twice as likely to make the final as Croatia
Is Kevin Kilbane now English again?
Quote from: Boycey on July 07, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
Enjoyable that, glad Croatia won, if only to see Modric again he's a joy to watch..
Wonder if Putin will let all the mad hoolies out of the big forest he's been keeping them in now :)
Fingers crossed.
Quote from: tintin25 on July 07, 2018, 05:55:46 PM
Don't see the issue with anyone following England. Yes, their fans and media go on abit but if it was NI or ROI the same thing would happen! Seem to remember a few people thinking that ROI would have near won the World Cup had they beat Spain in 2002!
Well said. People giving off about Englands wins so far etc but the country goes mad if Ireland beat anybody.
Harry Kane isn't the player for England that he is for Spurs.
Quote from: charlieTully on July 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Any cnut supporting England deserves lined up at a wall and shot in the head. Twice. f**k it bring it home.
What a really sad post.
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Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
England have best keeper in the competition... he's their main man not Kane
Made a few nice saves today alright. Might get a move to a big club after the tournament.
GOAT
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Quote from: charlieTully on July 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Any cnut supporting England deserves lined up at a wall and shot in the head. Twice. f**k it bring it home.
What a really sad post.
I thought it was quite funny to be honest. I'm not convinced it should all be taken literally
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 08, 2018, 07:16:33 AM
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Quote from: charlieTully on July 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Any cnut supporting England deserves lined up at a wall and shot in the head. Twice. f**k it bring it home.
What a really sad post.
I thought it was quite funny to be honest. I'm not convinced it should all be taken literally
Your sense of humour is well known for being terrible.
Quote from: Syferus on July 08, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 08, 2018, 07:16:33 AM
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Quote from: charlieTully on July 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Any cnut supporting England deserves lined up at a wall and shot in the head. Twice. f**k it bring it home.
What a really sad post.
I thought it was quite funny to be honest. I'm not convinced it should all be taken literally
Your sense of humour is well known for being terrible.
How do you know anything about me. In any case I would consider myself to have problems if I ever said anything that you'd find funny or even agree with
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2018, 10:19:23 PM
Should be a cracking game, different styles with plenty opportunities for both teams to score.. could be a 3-3 game!
I'll be cheering on Croatia as we'll be on holiday in Trogir (Croatia) would imagine the place will bouncing come Wednesday!
I've actually liked the England team and manager, but won't be supporting them
Where's Trogir? I'm in Zadar. Will be in Split on Wednesday
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Quote from: charlieTully on July 07, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Any cnut supporting England deserves lined up at a wall and shot in the head. Twice. f**k it bring it home.
What a really sad post.
I thought it was quite funny to be honest. I'm not convinced it should all be taken literally
Your sense of humour is well known for being terrible.
How do you know anything about me. In any case I would consider myself to have problems if I ever said anything that you'd find funny or even agree with
The problem with some posters on here is that anything that is posted, regardless of context, humour or wit (poor or otherwise) is taken as gospel.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 08, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2018, 10:19:23 PM
Should be a cracking game, different styles with plenty opportunities for both teams to score.. could be a 3-3 game!
I'll be cheering on Croatia as we'll be on holiday in Trogir (Croatia) would imagine the place will bouncing come Wednesday!
I've actually liked the England team and manager, but won't be supporting them
Where's Trogir? I'm in Zadar. Will be in Split on Wednesday
It's about 8km apparently from Split airport, the north side of airport, a walled town on a small island I'm lead to believe.
Good stuff. I'm actually in Split on Tuesday and Dubrovnik on Wednesday and Thursday. Mind you I might have had difficulty getting there as I forgot my driving licence. As luck would have it tbe wife had hers so thanks to that I got the car. Have now been sent a screen shot of my licence which I'm told will suffice if stopped by police. Enjoy your holiday.
Croatia right back Sime Vrsaljko(Athletico Madrid) is out of semi final
Croatia Goalkeeper and Mario Mandzukic still getting treatment
Quote from: Kurtz on July 09, 2018, 01:00:45 PM
Croatia right back Sime Vrsaljko(Athletico Madrid) is out of semi final
Croatia Goalkeeper and Mario Mandzukic still getting treatment
Corluka proved in 20mins hes way off the pace.
Advantage England.
Can't believe England have had such a handy route to a semi and possibly final - had they played Brazil or France they would have got tanked, They have beaten Tunisia, Panama, Sewden and are in the World Cup semi! :( Had Ireland that set of fixtures they could end up in the WC semi!
Quote from: WT4E on July 09, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Can't believe England have had such a handy route to a semi and possibly final - had they played Brazil or France they would have got tanked, They have beaten Tunisia, Panama, Sewden and are in the World Cup semi! :( Had Ireland that set of fixtures they could end up in the WC semi!
it happens
No one gave Italy a hope in 2006
in 1986 France had amazing team but fell in semi final
I think Croatia are too nervous. England have a great chance.
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2018, 01:26:02 PM
I think Croatia are too nervous. England have a great chance.
England have greater confidence in their identity as a nation which belongs among the world's elite.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2018, 01:26:02 PM
I think Croatia are too nervous. England have a great chance.
England have greater confidence in their identity as a nation which belongs among the world's elite.
I hear there is a party at Charlie Tully's house if England win ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
free booze
Quote from: WT4E on July 09, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Can't believe England have had such a handy route to a semi and possibly final - had they played Brazil or France they would have got tanked, They have beaten Tunisia, Panama, Sewden and are in the World Cup semi! :( Had Ireland that set of fixtures they could end up in the WC semi!
A master stroke by Southgate throwing the game against Belgium?
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Quote from: WT4E on July 09, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Can't believe England have had such a handy route to a semi and possibly final - had they played Brazil or France they would have got tanked, They have beaten Tunisia, Panama, Sewden and are in the World Cup semi! :( Had Ireland that set of fixtures they could end up in the WC semi!
A master stroke by Southgate throwing the game against Belgium?
Both teams threw out shitty teams and Englands shitty team was shittier than Belgiums, I'd imagine both France and Belgium will have more confidence of beating England should they get to the final... Croatia will play better because England won't sit back and flood the defence
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Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2018, 01:26:02 PM
I think Croatia are too nervous. England have a great chance.
England have greater confidence in their identity as a nation which belongs among the world's elite.
English identity is subordinate to Britishness. Any time it gets an airing you get stuff like Brexit happening. The English are easy to manipulate.
I fancy France for the Jules Rimet, I thought they were the most impressive of the 1/4 final winners, with world cup pedigree coming to the fore in the way they controlled that 2nd half v Uruguay. At Euro 2016 they peaked in the semis, had only 2 full days rest before the final where they were flat. Deschamps and the team look more settled this time.
9 times out of ten I'd take this Croatia team to beat England but WC competition circumstances are such that the odds have evened out for both teams. Probably England will try to close out space that Modric operates in but Croatia can also offer threat from their two excellent wingers. I'll go for battle hardened Croatia over England who stumbled through their only real test v Columbia.
Modric v Pirlo? who would come out on top as the classier midfielder?
The Jules Rimet? You're a bit late for that :)
I don't follow soccer but saw both Croatia and England play. 3-1 to Croatia available at 50/1 on Betfair. Seems attractive.
Quote from: Hardy on July 10, 2018, 12:09:00 PM
I don't follow soccer but saw both Croatia and England play. 3-1 to Croatia available at 50/1 on Betfair. Seems attractive.
Predicting scores is very hard as the Pronocontest shows
Paddy Power
England 2 Croatia 1
Sterling to score
40/1
That Croatian defender Vida is in trouble again
after getting a warning yesterday a second video has emerged
Quote from: Solo_run on July 10, 2018, 02:06:07 PM
Paddy Power
England 2 Croatia 1
Sterling to score
40/1
I wouldn't be rushing to put money on sterling scoring. His confidence is incredibly low. Dunno if it is the media's pick on him or not.
(Sterling sure to score now...)
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Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2018, 01:26:02 PM
I think Croatia are too nervous. England have a great chance.
England have greater confidence in their identity as a nation which belongs among the world's elite.
I hear there is a party at Charlie Tully's house if England win ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
free booze
Your on. Syfurus can't come. Don't like him.
https://www.facebook.com/1146451845485869/videos/1294719990659053/
The way George Hamilton is pronouncing Chadli in a French accent is exceptionally annoying
Mick Jagger seeking a bit of satisfaction as he watches on.
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2018, 11:34:37 AM
I fancy France for the Jules Rimet, I thought they were the most impressive of the 1/4 final winners, with world cup pedigree coming to the fore in the way they controlled that 2nd half v Uruguay. At Euro 2016 they peaked in the semis, had only 2 full days rest before the final where they were flat. Deschamps and the team look more settled this time.
9 times out of ten I'd take this Croatia team to beat England but WC competition circumstances are such that the odds have evened out for both teams. Probably England will try to close out space that Modric operates in but Croatia can also offer threat from their two excellent wingers. I'll go for battle hardened Croatia over England who stumbled through their only real test v Columbia.
Modric v Pirlo? who would come out on top as the classier midfielder?
Okay, stop.
Croatia needed penalties to beat Russia and to beat Denmark.
What is it they've done that would make them beat England 9 times out of 10? And ffs the only time England ever lose a game is in championship finals, so surely that's the 1 time to back against them?
Surely France have a better striker available than Giroud?
Lukaku misses some chances for a premium price striker.
De Bruyne has had a woeful World Cup, looks a different player when he plays with Man City.
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I fancy France for the Jules Rimet, I thought they were the most impressive of the 1/4 final winners, with world cup pedigree coming to the fore in the way they controlled that 2nd half v Uruguay. At Euro 2016 they peaked in the semis, had only 2 full days rest before the final where they were flat. Deschamps and the team look more settled this time.
9 times out of ten I'd take this Croatia team to beat England but WC competition circumstances are such that the odds have evened out for both teams. Probably England will try to close out space that Modric operates in but Croatia can also offer threat from their two excellent wingers. I'll go for battle hardened Croatia over England who stumbled through their only real test v Columbia.
Modric v Pirlo? who would come out on top as the classier midfielder?
Okay, stop.
Croatia needed penalties to beat Russia and to beat Denmark.
What is it they've done that would make them beat England 9 times out of 10? And ffs the only time England ever lose a game is in championship finals, so surely that's the 1 time to back against them?
And what have england done to say they can't. Beat columbia minus their best player ? They beat an average sweden team - that's all. Croatia have much more class in their ranks - can they make it count though
I'm not trying to tell you England are a good side.
I'm telling you that any side that can't beat either Denmark or Russia over 120 minutes really be cant described as classy or exceptional. Jon Walters would be guaranteed a start up front for Russia or Denmark ffs.
France deserving winners
Losing or winning to a set piece is not great but i think France deserved the win on the night.
Has Eamo said Pogba was shite yet?
Belgium were toothless.
France won't be stopped.
Quote from: Boycey on July 10, 2018, 08:59:12 PM
Has Eamo said Pogba was shite yet?
said the ooposite
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 10, 2018, 08:57:30 PM
Losing or winning to a set piece is not great but i think France deserved the win on the night.
Lineker tweeted there that 69 out of 158 goals in tournament have come from set pieces, roughly 45%. I'm not sure how that measures against say the Premier League
Quote from: thewobbler on July 10, 2018, 08:51:22 PM
I'm not trying to tell you England are a good side.
I'm telling you that any side that can't beat either Denmark or Russia over 120 minutes really be cant described as classy or exceptional. Jon Walters would be guaranteed a start up front for Russia or Denmark ffs.
Yeah croatia have been very poor since the group stages. They have played two poor teams and have struggled. There is every chance England will beat Croatia. Neither are world beaters and neither are in the same league as france.
Belgium very disappointing. Debruyne played in the wrong position and lukaku struggles against top class defenses as his movement is nowhere near good enough.
Quote from: Boycey on July 10, 2018, 08:59:12 PM
Has Eamo said Pogba was shite yet?
He was impressed by how hard he worked tonight. His raving was about not rating Roberto Martínez as a manager and said that Brazil should have beaten Belgium 6-2
I think France will be strong favourites in the final, they are very good defensively. Giroud is limited up front but everywhere else they are a good side without being spectacular.
England have been blessed with the draw they got and I think their match with Croatia tomorrow is a real 50/50 game. Hopefully Croatia will make it a final we can actually enjoy. Would love to see Croatia win the thing outright.
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Has Eamo said Pogba was shite yet?
He was impressed by how hard he worked tonight. His raving was about not rating Roberto Martínez as a manager and said that Brazil should have beaten Belgium 6-2
Very strange taking off Fellaini I thought.
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Has Eamo said Pogba was shite yet?
He was impressed by how hard he worked tonight. His raving was about not rating Roberto Martínez as a manager and said that Brazil should have beaten Belgium 6-2
Very strange taking off Fellaini I thought.
Was crazy when they only needed one goal. I'd have thought they'd go agricultural and throw Fellaini, Lukaku and maybe Kompany up top for the last 10 minutes and plough balls into them. Doesn't look the best but it's effective as f**k.
Quote from: hardstation on July 10, 2018, 08:55:42 PM
Good riddance to Belgium.
Looks a certain Golden Boot for Harry Kane.
Unless Lukaku got hatrick Saturday.
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Quote from: Boycey on July 10, 2018, 08:59:12 PM
Has Eamo said Pogba was shite yet?
He was impressed by how hard he worked tonight. His raving was about not rating Roberto Martínez as a manager and said that Brazil should have beaten Belgium 6-2
Very strange taking off Fellaini I thought.
Was crazy when they only needed one goal. I'd have thought they'd go agricultural and throw Fellaini, Lukaku and maybe Kompany up top for the last 10 minutes and plough balls into them. Doesn't look the best but it's effective as f**k.
they did that for a right while but with the French defence was like throwing dubes-dubes to a bear.
Simple maths though my good man. hey had only 2 big massive bastards and as Kerry proved in 2008 sometimes two just isn't enough.
France are a solid, dour enough outfit, the speed and skill of Mbapbe & Greizmann playing off two rows of parked buses (& whatever Giroud does🤡) is effective tho.
I think England will beat Croatia pretty comfortably tbh but they'll not be fit for France.
I don't know that I agree. Belgium's plan to whip those crosses in to fellaini coming back post with lukaku through the middle was clear from the start. Chadli made great work of matuidi all game. The number of misses from Umtiti and Varane was way too high and I think they rode their luck. There were missed clearances or misplayed clearances 5 or 6 times and very nearly a headed own goal.
I agree that taking fellaini off was a serious error amd think Martinez second guessed himself. I also think that witsel, de bruyne and dembele took far too many touches on the ball through the middle while lukaku was gesturing wildly for the early ball one on one, not a single ball played to him. Hazard is seriously talented but with de bruyne off his game and no early balls to lukaku, Kante can assist the defence in guarding him heavily and so it was.
France are an interesting team, goal was well taken but he made it by a fraction because of fellainis's late move, and if you watch it you can see the Belgian actually puts it in his own net off his big mop (though I think courtois wasnt getting it anyway but the deflection puts it further away from him) Cynical towards the end, but wouldn't you be in the circumstances.
Mbappe getting the headlines but Griezeman is a class apart and is pulling the strings with some serious work put in by Giroud. Pogba is an enigma moments of brilliance and some serious errors of judgement, on the other hand Kante is just unbelievable the shift he puts in, but for him I think they would have been shredded though the middle.
I'd say France are praying for Croatia, England's pace with Kane, Sterling and perhaps even Vardy could cause them serious problems around the back. Kane could have had a hat trick playing for Belgium today.
Croatia abú.
Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 10, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
Alright boys we get it yis are ur fecking jollies... I'm not jealous at all.
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
We are in Okrug Gronji! Stunning place! Locals all in good spirits for tomorrow but saying it's a pretty 50/60 game
Enjoy. In Split centre tonight off to Dubrovnik tomorrow
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
We are in Okrug Gronji! Stunning place! Locals all in good spirits for tomorrow but saying it's a pretty 50/60 game
Would you recommend staying there over Trogir itself?
Considering it as we have an 18 month old.
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
We are in Okrug Gronji! Stunning place! Locals all in good spirits for tomorrow but saying it's a pretty 50/60 game
Would you recommend staying there over Trogir itself?
Considering it as we have an 18 month old.
So handy to Trogir, either a taxi 7 Euro or the boat taxis they have... it's an old town Trogir, marinas cobblestone streets, really nice, we are in a more beach type area though not sandy! With a young child either place would suit, if kid was older you'd be better at beach area I'd say..
Going on that display England wouldn't score against the French from open play in a month of sundays. Set pieces are a different matter but they kept out the big Belgians easily enough. The English ploy of lining up 4 in a row in the middle of the penalty area has been seen enough now and will be prepared for by the French. Where are the goals going to come from for England?
England will have to answer the same questions against Croatia first.
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
We are in Okrug Gronji! Stunning place! Locals all in good spirits for tomorrow but saying it's a pretty 50/60 game
Would you recommend staying there over Trogir itself?
Considering it as we have an 18 month old.
So handy to Trogir, either a taxi 7 Euro or the boat taxis they have... it's an old town Trogir, marinas cobblestone streets, really nice, we are in a more beach type area though not sandy! With a young child either place would suit, if kid was older you'd be better at beach area I'd say..
What's the wine like?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 10, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
France are a solid, dour enough outfit, the speed and skill of Mbapbe & Greizmann playing off two rows of parked buses (& whatever Giroud does🤡) is effective tho.
I think England will beat Croatia pretty comfortably tbh but they'll not be fit for France.
Solid and dour.....you are sounding more like Piers Morgan😂 England have had a lucky ride to the semi final.....not their fault, but they have no creativity and rely on the odd set piece to score. It would be a travesty if they were to get to final.
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
We are in Okrug Gronji! Stunning place! Locals all in good spirits for tomorrow but saying it's a pretty 50/60 game
Would you recommend staying there over Trogir itself?
Considering it as we have an 18 month old.
So handy to Trogir, either a taxi 7 Euro or the boat taxis they have... it's an old town Trogir, marinas cobblestone streets, really nice, we are in a more beach type area though not sandy! With a young child either place would suit, if kid was older you'd be better at beach area I'd say..
What's the wine like?
Got a litre bottle of the local stuff, very nice indeed, 15 Kuna
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
We are in Okrug Gronji! Stunning place! Locals all in good spirits for tomorrow but saying it's a pretty 50/60 game
Would you recommend staying there over Trogir itself?
Considering it as we have an 18 month old.
So handy to Trogir, either a taxi 7 Euro or the boat taxis they have... it's an old town Trogir, marinas cobblestone streets, really nice, we are in a more beach type area though not sandy! With a young child either place would suit, if kid was older you'd be better at beach area I'd say..
What's the wine like?
Got a litre bottle of the local stuff, very nice indeed, 15 Kuna
There is a lovely Croatian Sauvignon Blanc called Galic if you like white wine.
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Yeah. Hope you're right. I'll be watching it in Dubrovnik so the craic should be good if they win
The place here was rammed with ones already by the beach bars! So looking forward to tomorrow!
Croatia 🇭🇷 Abu
I searched the place looking for you.
We are in Okrug Gronji! Stunning place! Locals all in good spirits for tomorrow but saying it's a pretty 50/60 game
Would you recommend staying there over Trogir itself?
Considering it as we have an 18 month old.
So handy to Trogir, either a taxi 7 Euro or the boat taxis they have... it's an old town Trogir, marinas cobblestone streets, really nice, we are in a more beach type area though not sandy! With a young child either place would suit, if kid was older you'd be better at beach area I'd say..
What's the wine like?
Got a litre bottle of the local stuff, very nice indeed, 15 Kuna
There is a lovely Croatian Sauvignon Blanc called Galic if you like white wine.
Cheers, not for me but the wife was struggling for good a Sauvignon blanc ! Had few local beers last night! Felt it this morning when I went for a run!
Quote from: yellowcard on July 10, 2018, 09:18:49 PM
I think France will be strong favourites in the final, they are very good defensively. Giroud is limited up front but everywhere else they are a good side without being spectacular.
England have been blessed with the draw they got and I think their match with Croatia tomorrow is a real 50/50 game. Hopefully Croatia will make it a final we can actually enjoy. Would love to see Croatia win the thing outright.
Much being made of Harry Kane and the golden boot but when you break it down he's only scored two goals that he knew anything about in open play and they were from set pieces by and large.
Lingard is the only one to score a decent goal of note and that was against Panama.
Croatia seem to lack mental fortitude according to Bilic and if they can score first it will be interesting to see how England respond to being in a deficit.
Sadly I can see England win this one from a corner or the likes.
Can't see England beating Belguim to be honest.
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2018, 11:14:11 AM
Can't see England beating Belguim to be honest.
on Saturday?
Southgate is quite impressive
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/10/psychology-england-football-team-change-your-life-pippa-grange
Routines can be useful, he says. "If you watch Harry Kane, if he's been interrupted [before taking a penalty], he starts again – he picks the ball up and puts it down on the spot and goes through his whole routine again, and that's something I've never seen England players do before. They usually want to get it over with as quickly as possible, but fear causes us to do things that are unhelpful." Routines, says Barton, help to keep us in the moment, focused and in the right frame of mind.
When someone is under a moment of extreme pressure, using a tactic such as mental cues can be helpful, says Kate Hays, the head of psychology at the English Institute of Sport. "People will have cue words that will bring them back into focus on the task at hand – for some, they could be emotional cues; for others, it could be technically focused. It's just one or two words that can get people to focus on the right thing."
In dealing with a negative event, she says, "the reflection component is critical. It allows people time and space to work through that emotionally and be able to go back to what happened, to process it and be able to move on." We could also learn to view failure as having potentially positive consequences in the long term. "There is some evidence that people have been able to be successful in sport because of previous [adverse] early experiences, not necessarily in sport," says Hays. "Overcoming difficult situations and building resilience potentially contributes to success."
Southgate, who has experienced his own disappointments – that missed penalty at the semi-finals of Euro 96, and his managerial career at Middlesbrough ending in relegation – has said as much: "I have learned from things that have gone wrong and had to pick myself up ... Because of those failures, I feel it gives you the freedom of being able to say, 'How might we be the best possible team?' and not be afraid of what goes wrong – because whatever goes wrong we can deal with, as I have lived through it."
Grange has no fear of failure either. She has written: "I'd like to turn this unhealthy preoccupation with success on its head and put it on the record that I think failure is really useful. For without failure we cannot progress longer, higher or faster. It's a funny paradox – our successes are achieved through trying, and trying most often ends in failure. Every day in our general lives and our sporting lives we will win some and lose some; it's just part of the way life should be. It could be missing out on a promotion, being pipped at the line in a running race or bombing out in an exam – it doesn't matter – the important lesson is to learn from our failures, reassess, rethink, move forward (sometimes in a different direction) and keep those dreams and goals alive."
Kevin George, the author of Soccology, who works with clubs and coaches on performance, also says that respecting the individual qualities and personalities of your players (or your employees) is key. "To instil confidence in one player might be to give them freedom, so they know you trust them," he says. "For somebody else, it might be a lot of praise. For a group of people, you have to tap into who they are individually, but as a group, give them the belief that you trust them." Singling people out for praise in a group setting can be tricky, he adds. "People can think: 'That person's a favourite, I'm not a favourite.' It is tough." Southgate doesn't play favourites; everyone feels as if they have a chance.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2018, 10:34:02 AM
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I think France will be strong favourites in the final, they are very good defensively. Giroud is limited up front but everywhere else they are a good side without being spectacular.
England have been blessed with the draw they got and I think their match with Croatia tomorrow is a real 50/50 game. Hopefully Croatia will make it a final we can actually enjoy. Would love to see Croatia win the thing outright.
Much being made of Harry Kane and the golden boot but when you break it down he's only scored two goals that he knew anything about in open play and they were from set pieces by and large.
Lingard is the only one to score a decent goal of note and that was against Panama.
Croatia seem to lack mental fortitude according to Bilic and if they can score first it will be interesting to see how England respond to being in a deficit.
Sadly I can see England win this one from a corner or the likes.
Agree. Despite having some stars on their team and reaching the semis Croatia have also benefited from playing some average teams. They haven't impressed me either so if their is any justice which ever teams plays France in the final will get stuffed.
You wonder will England try and expose lovren. Kane really demolished him in a league game last year.
I would agree with bilic. Croatia look weak mentally. I think they need the first goal. I am not convinced England are strong mentally either and would struggle if they went one down.
The paths Croatia and England have taken have been similar but Croatia have played and defeated one of the top 5 teams in the world where as England have lost.
Croatia players will feel tired but like England they know that a place in the 2018 FIFA world cup final is at stake and this could give them that extra bit of energy.
However, England will be fresher and as the game goes on will put the squeeze on Croatia.
No matter who wins I think the final will be too much of a step up in class.
Mourinho was having a go at Belgium
Said Hazard worked his socks off and the rest of them stood and watched him
He also said tiredness will play in England favour
also that Croatia midfield similar to France so will be interesting to see how England cope
I fancy England for this. Croatia haven't impressed in the knockout stages, they're mentally (and defensively) a bit flaky. They weren't able to beat pretty ordinary Danish or Russian teams even with extra time. England aren't a great side and it's true they haven't really been tested yet, but they're confident and have a bit of momentum and it's obvious you don't have to have a great team to win this World Cup, you just need to be the best of a bad bunch.
Croatia probably mentally weak with being favourites for all of their games, the burden of carrying the favourite tag doesn't sit well with them.. both teams are in a position that they didn't feel they'd be at before the competition started.. 90 minutes from a World Cup final will play heavily on both teams, regardless of who's in the final..
Expect a cagey opening and a tense final quarter! Penalties possibly, but also expect Pickford to make a blunder, the press has blown this lad up that much he's ready to take over from Boris! Though that wouldn't be a difficult job!
I don't get people saying they only score from set pieces. Set pieces are a huge part of the f**king game, massive. England have obviously done a tonne of work on them and it's paying off. Comparing it to Kane taking the corners at the euros, it's night and day.
I also think it's very hard to counteract that strength on the bounce. Teams take months or years to get the right structure defending corners. It's not like saying we'll double mark Modric or we'll push up on Mansuckic.
Fair play to England
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2018, 10:34:02 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 10, 2018, 09:18:49 PM
I think France will be strong favourites in the final, they are very good defensively. Giroud is limited up front but everywhere else they are a good side without being spectacular.
England have been blessed with the draw they got and I think their match with Croatia tomorrow is a real 50/50 game. Hopefully Croatia will make it a final we can actually enjoy. Would love to see Croatia win the thing outright.
Much being made of Harry Kane and the golden boot but when you break it down he's only scored two goals that he knew anything about in open play and they were from set pieces by and large.
Lingard is the only one to score a decent goal of note and that was against Panama.
Croatia seem to lack mental fortitude according to Bilic and if they can score first it will be interesting to see how England respond to being in a deficit.
Sadly I can see England win this one from a corner or the likes.
Bilic has praised the mental fortitude of the Croats, winning these types of games in the knockout stages that they use to lose.
Moment of truth for England tonight. Will they ever get a better chance or easier route to World cup final? i still remember Bobby Robson walking off the field after the 1990 semi final against Germany shaking his head knowing they had blown not only reaching the World cup final but winning the World cup. Croatia are no Germany and failure in this semi final will be as much if not more disappointing for the English than 1990 was.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 11, 2018, 02:43:05 PM
I don't get people saying they only score from set pieces. Set pieces are a huge part of the f**king game, massive. England have obviously done a tonne of work on them and it's paying off. Comparing it to Kane taking the corners at the euros, it's night and day.
I also think it's very hard to counteract that strength on the bounce. Teams take months or years to get the right structure defending corners. It's not like saying we'll double mark Modric or we'll push up on Mansuckic.
Fair play to England
Good on set pieces and boring in open play worked for Wimbledon in 1988 and it might work for England in 2018.
Quote from: Main Street on July 11, 2018, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2018, 10:34:02 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 10, 2018, 09:18:49 PM
I think France will be strong favourites in the final, they are very good defensively. Giroud is limited up front but everywhere else they are a good side without being spectacular.
England have been blessed with the draw they got and I think their match with Croatia tomorrow is a real 50/50 game. Hopefully Croatia will make it a final we can actually enjoy. Would love to see Croatia win the thing outright.
Much being made of Harry Kane and the golden boot but when you break it down he's only scored two goals that he knew anything about in open play and they were from set pieces by and large.
Lingard is the only one to score a decent goal of note and that was against Panama.
Croatia seem to lack mental fortitude according to Bilic and if they can score first it will be interesting to see how England respond to being in a deficit.
Sadly I can see England win this one from a corner or the likes.
Bilic has praised the mental fortitude of the Croats, winning these types of games in the knockout stages that they use to lose.
Those last two knockout wins must have changed his mind then.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 11, 2018, 02:43:05 PM
I don't get people saying they only score from set pieces. Set pieces are a huge part of the f**king game, massive. England have obviously done a tonne of work on them and it's paying off. Comparing it to Kane taking the corners at the euros, it's night and day.
I also think it's very hard to counteract that strength on the bounce. Teams take months or years to get the right structure defending corners. It's not like saying we'll double mark Modric or we'll push up on Mansuckic.
Fair play to England
'We'll'😂 England have as much chance of winning World Cup as Mayo have of winning Sam😎
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 11, 2018, 02:43:05 PM
I don't get people saying they only score from set pieces. Set pieces are a huge part of the f**king game, massive. England have obviously done a tonne of work on them and it's paying off. Comparing it to Kane taking the corners at the euros, it's night and day.
I also think it's very hard to counteract that strength on the bounce. Teams take months or years to get the right structure defending corners. It's not like saying we'll double mark Modric or we'll push up on Mansuckic.
Fair play to England
'We'll'😂 England have as much chance of winning World Cup as Mayo have of winning Sam😎
Well there's only three teams who can win it and one of them is England.
Sterling will be vital for England if he plays well or scores they should win
Can see the Croats diving in at him so maybe penalty or free kick opportunities also direct running at speed should create some chances for Kane and co trailing the play .
Fcuk.
Set piece goal and fine strike in fairness to him.
Pathetic goalkeeping
Knew that was going in
We'll see if Croatia have anything now
Ideal start, the English can now play this game on their own terms.
Quote from: AQMP on July 11, 2018, 07:07:30 PM
We'll see if Croatia have anything now
I never trusted Croatia to outscore those w**ks.
Croats look flat and leggy. Modric and Rakitic look like they'd rather be elsewhere
England remind me of Fermanagh 2004.
Croatia need to expose Maguire's lack of pace.
Everything is going for them, that I can't see them losing this. Reminds me of Chelsea 2012 in CL. I hope to f**k I'm wrong!
Sterling is a slightly better Theo. And Theo scored a hat trick against this lot.
Sterling is a real handful at the minute.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 07:22:37 PM
Croatia need to expose Maguire's lack of pace.
Croatia are not a team to expose anybody's lack of pace. Hardly a strength of theirs.
Time to put the cry on....Croatia look beat
Some miss from golden boot
How are the RTE lads approaching this? I'm stuck with ITV.
Glen Hoddle talks more shite than Ian Wright 😂
Hard to believe Hoddle is still let on air.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2018, 07:39:17 PM
Hard to believe Hoddle is still let on air.
Aye, especially when you think Big Ron was never let on TV again!
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2018, 07:32:02 PM
How are the RTE lads approaching this? I'm stuck with ITV.
Ray Houghton had to drive like lunatic to get there.
Walker, Henderson and Sterling excellent. Henderson has dominated Modric.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2018, 07:46:52 PM
Walker, Henderson and Sterling excellent. Henderson has dominated Modric.
Has he?
I thought modric is being picked up by others
Stonewall penalty on Lovren!
A lot of people wanted to believe Croatia were an excellent team.
They really f**king aren't. Shane McGowan has more teeth up front.
England are managing to look much superior yet vulnerable, a Croatian goal would change the complexion of the game completely, that self assuredness would soon vanish.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 11, 2018, 07:49:02 PM
A lot of people wanted to believe Croatia were an excellent team.
They really f**king aren't. Shane McGowan has more teeth up front.
Yes, very poor from Croatia. Again England dominate without doing anything spectacular
Na Sasanaigh worth their lead, they really should be further in front. Hopefully it'll come back to haunt them. Would be great craic if the ref gave the Croats a penalty for the foul on Lovren at the start of the second half!
Quote from: thewobbler on July 11, 2018, 07:49:02 PM
A lot of people wanted to believe Croatia were an excellent team.
They really f**king aren't. Shane McGowan has more teeth up front.
Shane got himself a new set of teeth recently.
That Croatia team wouldn't score if they played for a month.
Fcuk these Croatian cnuts
Surely they've a speedy sub
Looks like Harry Kane is related to Sean Cavanagh.
Yeeeeesssssssss!
1-1 and That goal was coming
Another ref would have given a foul on that goal for a high boot.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 11, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
Looks like Harry Kane is related to Sean Cavanagh.
He does some diving
Wow a lucky break for England there.
That was close!
Free out on that goal surely.
Jammy backstards!
The composure England had is all gone now. Need to show more of those 3 Croatians girls in the crowd.
Two middlin teams though.
Penalties again?
Dele Alli some diver.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
Dele Alli some diver.
He's a relative of Big Sean too.
Sterling is completely useless
Five minutes to play and that Trippier goal remains England's only shot on target in this game.
Quote from: AQMP on July 11, 2018, 08:40:37 PM
Sterling is completely useless
Thought one of their better players. His pace caused them huge problems. Kane has being awful. Also Alli and Henderson but Henderson not getting much help.
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2018, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 11, 2018, 08:42:02 PM
Five minutes to play and that Trippier goal remains England's only shot on target in this game.
What are you sniffing?
Sniffing on match stats. England rely on set pieces to score.
england are worse that we were under charlton. Lump it up front and hope for a break or a set piece. Tactically inept
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 11, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: AQMP on July 11, 2018, 08:40:37 PM
Sterling is completely useless
Thought one of their better players. His pace caused them huge problems. Kane has being awful. Also Alli and Henderson but Henderson not getting much help.
he did nothing. Kane had 2 gilt edge chances and missed both. World class my arse
Unless he does something decent in the last few mins, Harry Kane has been dire for 2 games now.
Croats playing for penalties by the looks of them. England dominant again.
What height is pickford? He must be nearly the smallest keeper at the world cup.
6 ft 1 I looked it up yesterday
Can't see England having the energy to beat Belgium in the 3rd/4th place play-off.
Terrible defending there by England. A deserved lead.
England will take penalties now.
Well they have to go hell for leather now for last 10
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2018, 09:21:36 PM
Terrible defending there by England. A deserved lead.
The two centre backs were very slow reacting.
They're going home They're going home...
That will do as i had that game down as 2-1 Croatia win. England's biggest problem was a lack of quality manager. None of the top 6 teams in the Premier league would have Gareth Southgate as manager.
Russian police will have their hands full tonight
And breathe...........
Thank f**k for that!
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
That will do as i had that game down as 2-1 Croatia win. England's biggest problem was a lack of quality manager. None of the top 6 teams in the Premier league would have Gareth Southgate as manager.
90 mins bet surely ??
Yet another small populated country that has knocked England out of a major tournament. Defeat with honour and defeat with hope according to Clive Tyldesley on ITV ::)
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 09:38:18 PM
Russian police will have their hands full tonight
On the Shankill?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 04, 2018, 12:15:13 AM
For those worrying about England winning, fear not, I have them in a sweep and I never win these things.
Told you not to worry.
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2018, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
That will do as i had that game down as 2-1 Croatia win. England's biggest problem was a lack of quality manager. None of the top 6 teams in the Premier league would have Gareth Southgate as manager.
90 mins bet surely ??
Probably means in the prediction competition. I had 2-1 Croatia also.
Kane was brutal, Modric was something else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bmgU994rIM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bmgU994rIM)
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
Kane was brutal, Modric was something else
great player - dominated 2nd half and extra time. Kane was shocking - blew 2 great chances
what a relief... total bottlers again.
Croatia with a population of 4 million in the World Cup final.
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2018, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
That will do as i had that game down as 2-1 Croatia win. England's biggest problem was a lack of quality manager. None of the top 6 teams in the Premier league would have Gareth Southgate as manager.
90 mins bet surely ??
No bet on tonight i wish i did. Predicted 2-1 on the prono contest and extra time included in prediction.
Jesus England will have nightmares about that, France will suffocate Croatia and score 2 or 3. Some poor English performances, Kane and Rashford?? Mourinho's correct to have doubts about that boy.
That England team wouldn't win the premiership ffs
And lukaku but how he gets so little out of players like pogba is poor.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
That England team wouldn't win the premiership ffs
None of the these teams would?
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
That England team wouldn't win the premiership ffs
Neither would the French team.
Croatia and England would struggle to make top 6
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
That England team wouldn't win the premiership ffs
Think there were 5 Spurs players on the pitch for England in extra time so you're probably right.
The midfield isn't good enough Henderson/Lingard/Ali are decent in good teams but when the quality around them isn't just as strong they struggle... what an Eriksen/Carrick/Pogba type player would have done for them could have made a difference. Dare I say it even Wilshere!!
In fairness they haven't really played anyone and made the most of their set piece advantage when they could. If you had told them they'd get to a semi before the competition they'd have bitten your hand off!
True grit from the hardened Coats, their 2 wide midfielders made hay in the 2nd half. At CM Modric was inspirational against an agricultural Henderson.
Not much football brain in England's midfield and tonight that's where the game was won.
Perisic had some game btw absolute quality!!
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
Perisic had some game btw absolute quality!!
added a few bob onto his transfer value
Ali is gifted but lazy and petulant. Lingard just not that quality.
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
Kane was brutal, Modric was something else
Kane shite the togs big time tonight.
Henderson going off gave Modric the freedom of the park.
Quote from: laoislad on July 11, 2018, 09:51:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
Kane was brutal, Modric was something else
Kane shite the togs big time tonight.
what did he do the last night? overhyped and so is Rashford
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2018, 09:48:06 PM
The midfield isn't good enough Henderson/Lingard/Ali are decent in good teams but when the quality around them isn't just as strong they struggle... what an Eriksen/Carrick/Pogba type player would have done for them could have made a difference. Dare I say it even Wilshere!!
In fairness they haven't really played anyone and made the most of their set piece advantage when they could. If you had told them they'd get to a semi before the competition they'd have bitten your hand off!
Spot on👍
Kane was shocking but is he 100% fit?
England may push for 45 min games from now on
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 11, 2018, 09:55:08 PM
Kane was shocking but is he 100% fit?
England may push for 45 min games from now on
Def didn't look fit. If that's the case, give the gig to Rashford or Vardy.
Keane calling a spade a spade😂
Thought Perisic was the pick of the players on the pitch
Looking forward to the 3rd Place game.
Now that is over, enjoy the final folks
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
That England team wouldn't win the premiership ffs
I read somewhere that only one third of EPL players are English.
Modric for me MOM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 09:59:43 PM
Keane calling a spade a spade😂
That'll be the Lurgan in him.
Quote from: laoislad on July 11, 2018, 09:51:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
Kane was brutal, Modric was something else
Kane shite the togs big time tonight.
They'll rave on about his golden boot though. 3 penalties and a absolute fluke ::)
modric by a mile
If Lukaku score a few on Saturday, do they still count towards the golden boot?
Quote from: Solo_run on July 11, 2018, 10:10:35 PM
If Lukaku score a few on Saturday, do they still count towards the golden boot?
Yup
Boy did i enjoy that! Lovren motm for me!
Perisic for me
As is always the case, they don't keep the ball well enough in big games.
Keano struggling to hide his delight on itv! ;D
Roy Keane fair turning the knife :D
Quote from: Boycey on May 18, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
Brazil overall favourites but traditionally the South American teams struggle in Europe with only 2 beaten finalists to their names since Brazil won in Sweden in 1958. If you were offering me a free bet I'd take France with maybe Croatia as a live outsider.
Amount of money invested in this prediction - A big fat ZERO. I also said England would go well :'(
Quote from: BennyCake on July 11, 2018, 10:18:59 PM
Keano struggling to hide his delight on itv! ;D
He is the only one of them talking any sense in fairness. You can't see Brazil, Spain, Germany etc being as bad in the future. They had a great chance, I doubt we will have to worry about it for a while again.
Roy Keane going all in here on ITV.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 11, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
Roy Keane going all in here on ITV.
Was Ian Wright trying to take the piss of his accent there?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 11, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
Roy Keane going all in here on ITV.
Correctly called out the bullshit spouted by Wright and Dixon
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 11, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
Roy Keane going all in here on ITV.
Was Ian Wright trying to take the piss of his accent there?
Yup. Wrights a tool.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 11, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
Roy Keane going all in here on ITV.
He called bullshit on a whole nation who got carried away with themselves.
Correctly called out the bullshit spouted by Wright and Dixon
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2018, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 11, 2018, 10:18:59 PM
Keano struggling to hide his delight on itv! ;D
He is the only one of them talking any sense in fairness. You can't see Brazil, Spain, Germany etc being as bad in the future. They had a great chance, I doubt we will have to worry about it for a while again.
Brazil have been dung two world cups in a row, Spain's golden generation are gone, Germany I give you and yes this was a great opportunity spunked tonight by England.
They're a decent, functional side with no real play maker. Henderson for all his limitations is way better than Dyer who would struggle to get a start for any other team at the wc.
France 2-0 on Sunday
Wright and Shearer are the worst pundits on TV. Non-sensical, emotional punditry, with very little sensible tactical analysis.
Ian Wright stealing a living, a total moron
Jordan Henderson is complete dung. The longer he stays at Liverpool the better! ;D
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 11, 2018, 10:12:38 PM
Boy did i enjoy that! Lovren motm for me!
Lovren was outstanding, that tackle to deny a sure goal was magnificent.
For the Croats I suspect it matters little who was the motm, they had heroes all over the park. Unquestionably as a team they did enough to deserve the victory.
Fantastic night here in Croatia, the fans were very nervous and expected a tough game, they were in full voice the whole way through the match and when Croatia scored it was an unreal moment, it's bonkers at the minute! Won't be a horn in a car working tomorrow or anyone able to speak!
Flares going off on the beach and inside the bar (thought at one point it would burn down)! Both my girls had their Croatia tops on! Roll on Sunday though I've £40 on France at 13/2.. Whether they win or not I don't care as you couldn't buy the experience if Croatia win while being here!
I wonder which non-entity of a town in England will be thrashed tonight? Luton maybe #freetommy
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2018, 10:54:22 PM
Fantastic night here in Croatia, the fans were very nervous and expected a tough game, they were in full voice the whole way through the match and when Croatia scored it was an unreal moment, it's bonkers at the minute! Won't be a horn in a car working tomorrow or anyone able to speak!
Flares going off on the beach and inside the bar (thought at one point it would burn down)! Both my girls had their Croatia tops on! Roll on Sunday though I've £40 on France at 13/2.. Whether they win or not I don't care as you couldn't buy the experience if Croatia win while being here!
Be careful with the oul gamblin.
Quote from: Boycey on July 11, 2018, 10:58:52 PM
I wonder which non-entity of a town in England will be thrashed tonight? Luton maybe #freetommy
Carrickfergus, hopefully.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2018, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2018, 10:54:22 PM
Fantastic night here in Croatia, the fans were very nervous and expected a tough game, they were in full voice the whole way through the match and when Croatia scored it was an unreal moment, it's bonkers at the minute! Won't be a horn in a car working tomorrow or anyone able to speak!
Flares going off on the beach and inside the bar (thought at one point it would burn down)! Both my girls had their Croatia tops on! Roll on Sunday though I've £40 on France at 13/2.. Whether they win or not I don't care as you couldn't buy the experience if Croatia win while being here!
Be careful with the oul gamblin.
I'd pledged to do one bet over the tournament, instead of the bet here and there at each match! Actually saved myself a few quid! I had wanted to do Kane for top scorer at 16's I think at the time, forgot about it and when the other lads scored 3 goals I decided against it
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I wonder which non-entity of a town in England will be thrashed tonight? Luton maybe #freetommy
Carrickfergus, hopefully.
Seems ards is getting it!
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I wonder which non-entity of a town in England will be thrashed tonight? Luton maybe #freetommy
Carrickfergus, hopefully.
The knuckle draggers in Newtownards and Dundonald giving it a good rattle tonight it seems
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I wonder which non-entity of a town in England will be thrashed tonight? Luton maybe #freetommy
Carrickfergus, hopefully.
Seems ards is getting it!
Close enough.
Keane put them in their box. He is class. ;D
FIFA have warned broadcasters to stop zooming in on hot women in the crowd. Ffs!
Kane has had a pretty poor world cup to be honest and yet will end up with the golden boot
That was a big relief in the end. Things looked bleak in the first half when England took an early lead and held onto it easily. However the longer the game went on the more the passing of the Croats took over. After the first Croat goal there was only going to be one winner.
Wonder how does Stephen Nolan feel tonight?
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 11, 2018, 11:56:28 PM
Kane has had a pretty poor world cup to be honest and yet will end up with the golden boot
Totally agree. 3 pens, 1 deflection and 2 x close range headers
Ards is a hellhole....was there for work yesterday...the most downtrodden, sad, paramilitary burdened people on the planet. Horrible. Gangsters (bullies)paid bythe government not to burn tyres or cause trouble. Awful
Looking at bonfires here is bile inducing
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Wonder how does Stephen Nolan feel tonight?
Hungry?
Six shots on target from open play over the whole tournament goes a long way to explain England's downfall.. Overall a good tournament for them I suppose, but it won't feel like that at present.
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
Perisic had some game btw absolute quality!!
motm for me, class player.
Keane getting it strong on social media! English not taking it well, open top bus has been cancelled
Imagine if Keane has taken the piss out of Wright's accent.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 12, 2018, 08:45:19 AM
Imagine if Keane has taken the piss out of Wright's accent.
Wright makes enough of a twat of himself without Keane jumping on the bandwagon
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Quote from: nrico2006 on July 11, 2018, 11:56:28 PM
Kane has had a pretty poor world cup to be honest and yet will end up with the golden boot
Totally agree. 3 pens, 1 deflection and 2 x close range headers
Ards is a hellhole....was there for work yesterday...the most downtrodden, sad, paramilitary burdened people on the planet. Horrible. Gangsters (bullies)paid bythe government not to burn tyres or cause trouble. Awful
Looking at bonfires here is bile inducing
Did you see the size of the tricolour on the bonfire across from the police station? Impressive it was.
Def think Crotia can win on Sunday. Hope so.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
That will do as i had that game down as 2-1 Croatia win. England's biggest problem was a lack of quality manager. None of the top 6 teams in the Premier league would have Gareth Southgate as manager.
They might after this summer.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
That will do as i had that game down as 2-1 Croatia win. England's biggest problem was a lack of quality manager. None of the top 6 teams in the Premier league would have Gareth Southgate as manager.
They might after this summer.
None of them would have any manager from any of the last 4. Or even last 8 I would say. Using club football as any kind of a measure is pointless. Like someone else here saying that England wouldn't win the Premier League. Of course they wouldn't, but why does it matter? Look back through previous World Cups and they are littered with successful teams who were mediocre when measured against the club game. International football should be measured against its self, nothing else. Southgate got this England team to a semi final, which was better than par given the squad they have. For sure, they were fortunate with how the draw panned out, but they still did well. Of course, when the dust settles they will realise that they may be waiting a long time to get a better chance.
Do England move up in the World Rankings even though they have not beaten a single team above them?
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Do England move up in the World Rankings even though they have not beaten a single team above them?
Belgium (by beating Brazil) are the only team currently above them who you can't say that about. England will certainly move up. Not that it matters a whole lot in the short term. Seedings for Euro draw is determined by Nations Cup performance.
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That will do as i had that game down as 2-1 Croatia win. England's biggest problem was a lack of quality manager. None of the top 6 teams in the Premier league would have Gareth Southgate as manager.
They might after this summer.
None of them would have any manager from any of the last 4. Or even last 8 I would say. Using club football as any kind of a measure is pointless. Like someone else here saying that England wouldn't win the Premier League. Of course they wouldn't, but why does it matter? Look back through previous World Cups and they are littered with successful teams who were mediocre when measured against the club game. International football should be measured against its self, nothing else. Southgate got this England team to a semi final, which was better than par given the squad they have. For sure, they were fortunate with how the draw panned out, but they still did well. Of course, when the dust settles they will realise that they may be waiting a long time to get a better chance.
Big Sam could have led England to the semi finals this summer. More or less the same tactics of not looking for any control of the ball in the middle of the park, hoof it forward and rely on set pieces to score. They will never get a better chance to reach a final but France would have beaten them anyway.
Semi final was great for them but break it down they beat panama tunisia and sweden, they drew with colombia and lost to Croatia and Belgium. Not being funny but the current Ireland team which is crap could have done that. Italia 90 was the same they were shit played one good game against the Germans lost on penalties and yet everyone remembers it as some great achievment. England are kidding themselves if they think this run is a sign of great things to come.
Keane was right was a great opportunity to get to a World Cup final, they tots bottled it. Is a very long way back to there.
I think England were more solid psychologically this time. They can build on it.
France are very impressive. It would be amazing if Croatia won. Such a small country.
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I think England were more solid psychologically this time. They can build on it.
France are very impressive. It would be amazing if Croatia won. Such a small country.
Maybe so, but Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina etc won't all be as bad again in the same tournament. Nor will England get as handy a draw again.
This was a once in a lifetime opportunity for Engerland. Let's hope we never have to worry about them ever getting close again.
Doesn't really matter who England get, they will always come undone. Why? Because they are inherently arrogant.
Look at Euro 2016 they thought Iceland would be a cake walk. Lost.
WC 2018 - They believed they had the easy route and Croatia will be too tired and will not be able to keep up. We all agree England beat nobodies in world football that is all there is to it.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
I think England were more solid psychologically this time. They can build on it.
France are very impressive. It would be amazing if Croatia won. Such a small country.
Maybe so, but Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina etc won't all be as bad again in the same tournament. Nor will England get as handy a draw again.
This was a once in a lifetime opportunity for Engerland. Let's hope we never have to worry about them ever getting close again.
I agree. I don't think they'll get as good a chance for a long time.
England over achieved here and it reminds me of Ireland in Italia 90. Most of us remember it for the craic, the excuse for a few drinks and a bit of a sing song, we got to the quarters. Brilliant. Some pundits mistook this a a sign we were one of the good teams now and it would always be like this. I get the impression that some of the English pundits now think Eng are back in the big time.
I like what Southgate is trying to do with this Eng team and he comes across as a likeable, intelligent character. But one of the problems for England is that it's in their DNA to value a player who puts in a good shift (e.g. Henderson) more than a fancy dan ball player, one who might take the ball past an opponent and make a killer pass. There remains little creativity in this England side and in English players generally.
England have never given Iceland credit for that win. It's like it's beneath England to admit that they, who created football, lost to a squad of hairy fellas from the Arctic. Iceland were clearly the better team. Workrate, intensity, defending, passing etc. They never allowed England to play.
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/11/tears-pain-young-england-team-world-cup-croatia#img-1
For 20 minutes this felt like England's game. On the touchline Gareth Southgate looked calm, striding about in his waistcoat, stroking his whiskery chin and resembling once again a very clever cartoon badger who drives an old-fashioned car and plays the violin.
Above all, this has been a dreamy, all-consuming piece of escapism. In tough times back home football has felt like a warm embrace, like a rush of chemical pleasure, like the best night out you've had in ages.
But it can still provide something uplifting. It is hard not to feel part of the enthusiasm for this team comes from a feeling of relief. A lot of young English people have been told for the last few years that times are hard, that their lives are set one way and that things were always, always better in the past.
Watching this England team – and yes, it is of course just a football team – has seemed to provide a different kind of script. A young, unheralded bunch of players have gone further than those before who were more obviously talented, more golden, more authentic, finding ways to succeed through teamwork and energy and a refusal to be cowed.
Sport is a chimera, it drags stories along in its wake. Champions are often blackguards. Losers are often nice. Sport and its storylines are just a decoration, a picture on the wall.
Where England go depends on what the FA do.
Germany was trashed in 1945 . West Germany didn't take part in the 1950 world cup cos the counrry was still banjaxed. In 1954 West Germany were champions.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 12, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?
its the opposite, their players have to play in other countries to improve. but they wont because thats uncomfortable, and they always stay in their comfort zone. division 2 in france spain or germany would improve the technique of any player, in england its just kick and rush all the time.
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Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 12, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?
its the opposite, their players have to play in other countries to improve. but they wont because thats uncomfortable, and they always stay in their comfort zone. division 2 in france spain or germany would improve the technique of any player, in england its just kick and rush all the time.
Was wondering how many of England's players play abroad and it was a grand total of 0.
However, how many of the currently England team would play top flight football abroad?
Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 12, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?
France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm
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Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 12, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?
France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm
9/23 of the France squad play in France
2/23 of the Croatian squad play at home
England has the richest League in the world which is a problem for the national team. There is almost always a better player somewhere else
France has a much better development system. Plus I think they grant citizenship to promising African footballers.
Mbappe has the potential to become a galactico.
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Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 12, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?
France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm
Maybe because they start off with flair technique skill... premiership foreign players bring that to the league, as far as I know they don't coach kids
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Quote from: Insane Bolt on July 12, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?
France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm
9/23 of the France squad play in France
2/23 of the Croatian squad play at home
England has the richest League in the world which is a problem for the national team. There is almost always a better player somewhere else
France has a much better development system. Plus I think they grant citizenship to promising African footballers.
Mbappe has the potential to become a galactico.
Of the French squad at the World Cup only two weren't born in France.
England have a solid production line of technically gifted players coming through. But the problem for those players is going to be their development from 18-22. They need exposure to European football, preferably Champions League, and the only way to get that is to leave the Premier League. They won't be trusted by the managers of top 6 Premier League clubs who need to win now, and not tomorrow. But they won't leave England if the past is any indication. The exception right now is Lookman from Everton, who spent last season at Leipzig.
England were never going to beat a good team playing that way, they simply don't have the midfield for it. England strengths were good fullbacks who are very quick, a good winger in Sterling and good attacking midfielder in Ali whilst having one of the best forwards in Kane. Then there's Rashford who can play a few different roles. To play Ali & Lingard in the same midfield 3 against someone as good as Modric is never going to work out for a full 90 minutes.
Southgate is lucky that Colombia were missing their best player as I suspect if he'd played Colombia would have won and he'd have got plenty of criticism. They've had a good world cup because of the draw and coudn't beat any of the 3 good teams they played. They beat a Swedish team who don't have a player good enough to get in the England team.
Contrary to what many beieve I think big Sam might have got that England team to a final with the easy draw they had.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 12, 2018, 02:18:46 PM
England were never going to beat a good team playing that way, they simply don't have the midfield for it. England strengths were good fullbacks who are very quick, a good winger in Sterling and good attacking midfielder in Ali whilst having one of the best forwards in Kane. Then there's Rashford who can play a few different roles. To play Ali & Lingard in the same midfield 3 against someone as good as Modric is never going to work out for a full 90 minutes.
Southgate is lucky that Colombia were missing their best player as I suspect if he'd played Colombia would have won and he'd have got plenty of criticism. They've had a good world cup because of the draw and coudn't beat any of the 3 good teams they played. They beat a Swedish team who don't have a player good enough to get in the England team.
Contrary to what many beieve I think big Sam might have got that England team to a final with the easy draw they had.
While agreeing with most of what you're saying, and acknowledging that Sweden played poorly against England, we should not dismiss that win for England. Sweden beat France and Italy on their way to qualifying. Finished ahead of The Netherlands, ahead of Germany in their group, and beat a decent Swiss team.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 12, 2018, 02:18:46 PM
England were never going to beat a good team playing that way, they simply don't have the midfield for it. England strengths were good fullbacks who are very quick, a good winger in Sterling and good attacking midfielder in Ali whilst having one of the best forwards in Kane. Then there's Rashford who can play a few different roles. To play Ali & Lingard in the same midfield 3 against someone as good as Modric is never going to work out for a full 90 minutes.
Southgate is lucky that Colombia were missing their best player as I suspect if he'd played Colombia would have won and he'd have got plenty of criticism. They've had a good world cup because of the draw and coudn't beat any of the 3 good teams they played. They beat a Swedish team who don't have a player good enough to get in the England team.
Contrary to what many beieve I think big Sam might have got that England team to a final with the easy draw they had.
While agreeing with most of what you're saying, and acknowledging that Sweden played poorly against England, we should not dismiss that win for England. Sweden beat France and Italy on their way to qualifying. Finished ahead of The Netherlands, ahead of Germany in their group, and beat a decent Swiss team.
You've got a point but those Dutch, Italian & German teams were far from vintage. It was a big win form them in fairness but given the individuals in that Swedish team they shouldn't be beating an England team that actually looked organised for a change.
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England all over the shop here. Could be in for a hiding.
I suppose this puts the theory that Kane was injured in last game!
After watching the tennis, this game is dung in terms of excitement or skill!
Back to sunbathing, drinking and chillaxing
Do the locals fancy their chances 2moro MR? Bound to be some excitement where you are!
Quote from: bannside on July 14, 2018, 04:26:09 PM
Do the locals fancy their chances 2moro MR? Bound to be some excitement where you are!
Speaking to a few last night and the general gist is they believe they can win because of their never say die attitude.. they know the tiredness might set in but think they have a chance.. lovely friendly people tbh.
I said to a guy last night that we've been on holiday in France when won it, and in Spain when they won it, though we ain't in Russia we are holidaying in another finalists country! He was chuffed bought us a drink.
The place is completely decked out in flags, colours,everyone wearing tops..
Some stat for golden boot Kane... last shot on target was penalty v Colombia 🙄
Listening to Hoddle reminded me of Boris.....trying to polish a turd😂
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Quote from: dec on July 14, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Joke but arise Sir Gareth for beating a crap Sweden. Roy Keane nailed it the English public and media have lost the plot.
They were half decent in the second half of that game but just don't have cutting edge.
Unlikely they will get that far for a while as lucky draw mind but they are solid enough considering the players at their disposal.
Ian wright is a twat and would have been with or without them doing well anyway.
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Quote from: dec on July 14, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Joke but arise Sir Gareth for beating a crap Sweden. Roy Keane nailed it the English public and media have lost the plot.
Keane called them out after Panama. Saying them eejits on itv panel had England already in the final. He was proved correct.
On another note, Kane must be the worst winner ever of the golden wellyboot.
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Quote from: dec on July 14, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Joke but arise Sir Gareth for beating a crap Sweden. Roy Keane nailed it the English public and media have lost the plot.
Keane called them out after Panama. Saying them eejits on itv panel had England already in the final. He was proved correct.
On another note, Kane must be the worst winner ever of the golden wellyboot.
Oleg Salenko
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Quote from: dec on July 14, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Joke but arise Sir Gareth for beating a crap Sweden. Roy Keane nailed it the English public and media have lost the plot.
Keane called them out after Panama. Saying them eejits on itv panel had England already in the final. He was proved correct.
On another note, Kane must be the worst winner ever of the golden wellyboot.
Oleg Salenko
Only 2 of his were penalties.
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Quote from: dec on July 14, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Joke but arise Sir Gareth for beating a crap Sweden. Roy Keane nailed it the English public and media have lost the plot.
Keane called them out after Panama. Saying them eejits on itv panel had England already in the final. He was proved correct.
On another note, Kane must be the worst winner ever of the golden wellyboot.
Keane was proved correct on precisely nothing.
He made an ape of himself, as he tends to do at World Cups.
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Quote from: dec on July 14, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Joke but arise Sir Gareth for beating a crap Sweden. Roy Keane nailed it the English public and media have lost the plot.
Keane called them out after Panama. Saying them eejits on itv panel had England already in the final. He was proved correct.
On another note, Kane must be the worst winner ever of the golden wellyboot.
Keane was proved correct on precisely nothing.
He made an ape of himself, as he tends to do at World Cups.
You've taken his lead here ;)
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Quote from: dec on July 14, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
England join Egypt and Panama as the only teams to lose 3 games in this tournament.
Joke but arise Sir Gareth for beating a crap Sweden. Roy Keane nailed it the English public and media have lost the plot.
Keane called them out after Panama. Saying them eejits on itv panel had England already in the final. He was proved correct.
On another note, Kane must be the worst winner ever of the golden wellyboot.
Oleg Salenko
Only 2 of his were penalties.
Interesting (or dull) factoid, all Salenkos goals were scored in the group stages, from which they failed to qualify from and they were the only international goals he ever scored..
Have a look at how many goals have been scored by centre forwards since the knockout stages began.
Kane might have been the worst golden boot winner in history, but it's surely been the worst World Cup in history for centre forward play.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 14, 2018, 10:18:41 PM
Have a look at how many goals have been scored by centre forwards since the knockout stages began.
Kane might have been the worst golden boot winner in history, but it's surely been the worst World Cup in history for centre forward play.
Agree, think it's been a poor WC. Giroud to do the business tomorrow 😎
Have to say Keane disappoints me as a pundit, he's everything I thought he'd abhor when he was a player. He's a rent.a mouth in the Dunphy mode. Some of you that are beside yourselves with the things he's saying about England would/will be frothing at the mouth when he says the same about Ireland.
I remember him sneering about Liverpool in the early stages of Champions League rhen completely changing his tune later on. Having said all that some of his withering looks and one liners are top notch :) and of course he's miles ahead still of the likes of Ian Wright.
General populist IQ levels must be at all time low if a tv pundit's comment about England media/pundits loosing the run of themselves, is regarded as an astute comment. Even the dogs in the street could have told you that.
England were a worthy last 8 team, fortune favored them into the semi final where they did manage to give a good account and brought the game into et. All in all they did very well considering that they have Henderson, a weak midfield and a tactic deficient manager.
Todays 3rd place game gave another indication that Belgium are well ahead of England meaning that put France's semi final win in an even better light. Croatia will have it tough to pull off this coup but good luck to them, though I fully expect France to prevail.
Imagine if Ireland had beaten Colombia on pennos and had "only" Croatia standing in the way of a wcf, as opposed to say the Brazil, Germany or Argentina teams of yore. With the best chance of a wcf in a lifetime, wouldn't we lose the run of ourselves?
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
Lost the run of themselves?
It's a smaller could try than our own in a world cup final, Have At It!
Foe context that's the state of Oregon,, or Oman, or Mauritania
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
Parochial sub local radio or taxi driver behaviour
Might have been aimed at the Serbs. They must be dying for a French win.
The English thing is much more complex. And familiarity breeds contempt while distance breeds amusement
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
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Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
And how many English people do we think actually thought they had it wrapped up? Of the English people I know, it was precisely zero. The football's coming home thing is not a serious indication of their belief, it's now used as a pisstake, or as a 'Come on England' equivalent.
I think we hold the English to higher standards than they deserve to be. At this tournament their team has been honest, hardworking and limited, just as expected. It's easy to like a team like that. Their fans don't appear to have been gobshites, and the people back in England seem to have gone through a cycle of Low Expectations-Relief they didn't lose to PAnama or Tunisia-Ambivalence to the Belgium result - Ecstasy after beating Colombia - Real hope before Sweden - Daring to dream before Croatia - Crushing disappointment allied with a sense that the team overachieved and did well.
That's not a lot different than we would be.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
That you of all people should have the lack of self-awareness to call anybody else "full of shit" is tremendously amusing.
I've absolutely no problem with the Croatians being excited at the possibility of winning a World Cup, why wouldn't they be. They're in the final. I can't think why anybody else would have a problem with it either.
But then again I can't think why anybody would have a problem with English people getting excited at the possibility of reaching a final when they were in the semi-final.
Now, Croatia's history of Naziism, their refusal to face up to it, and the far right mentality that seems to still infect politics there, I would definitely have a problem with!
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
That you of all people should have the lack of self-awareness to call anybody else "full of shit" is tremendously amusing.
I've absolutely no problem with the Croatians being excited at the possibility of winning a World Cup, why wouldn't they be. They're in the final. I can't think why anybody else would have a problem with it either.
But then again I can't think why anybody would have a problem with English people getting excited at the possibility of reaching a final when they were in the semi-final.
Now, Croatia's history of Naziism, their refusal to face up to it, and the far right mentality that seems to still infect politics there, I would definitely have a problem with!
If I'm full of shit that's grand, (I don't take this board serious at all) your opinion and other faceless people on here mean absolutely nothing, and if anyone loses a bit of sleep or worry what people on an anonymous discussion board think, then they should catch themselves on..
As for bringing politics into sport then that's a dick thing to do, every county has a past that no one is proud of, or elements within current governments! What that has got to do with a football match is beyond me! But carry on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
That you of all people should have the lack of self-awareness to call anybody else "full of shit" is tremendously amusing.
I've absolutely no problem with the Croatians being excited at the possibility of winning a World Cup, why wouldn't they be. They're in the final. I can't think why anybody else would have a problem with it either.
But then again I can't think why anybody would have a problem with English people getting excited at the possibility of reaching a final when they were in the semi-final.
Now, Croatia's history of Naziism, their refusal to face up to it, and the far right mentality that seems to still infect politics there, I would definitely have a problem with!
If I'm full of shit that's grand, (I don't take this board serious at all) your opinion and other faceless people on here mean absolutely nothing, and if anyone loses a bit of sleep or worry what people on an anonymous discussion board think, then they should catch themselves on..
As for bringing politics into sport then that's a dick thing to do, every county has a past that no one is proud of, or elements within current governments! What that has got to do with a football match is beyond me! But carry on
Indeed you
are full of shit, nobody takes you seriously, and your opinion is worth nothing.
I think you're in denial about how seriously you take yourself though, which seems to be very.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
That you of all people should have the lack of self-awareness to call anybody else "full of shit" is tremendously amusing.
I've absolutely no problem with the Croatians being excited at the possibility of winning a World Cup, why wouldn't they be. They're in the final. I can't think why anybody else would have a problem with it either.
But then again I can't think why anybody would have a problem with English people getting excited at the possibility of reaching a final when they were in the semi-final.
Now, Croatia's history of Naziism, their refusal to face up to it, and the far right mentality that seems to still infect politics there, I would definitely have a problem with!
If I'm full of shit that's grand, (I don't take this board serious at all) your opinion and other faceless people on here mean absolutely nothing, and if anyone loses a bit of sleep or worry what people on an anonymous discussion board think, then they should catch themselves on..
As for bringing politics into sport then that's a dick thing to do, every county has a past that no one is proud of, or elements within current governments! What that has got to do with a football match is beyond me! But carry on
Indeed you are full of shit, nobody takes you seriously, and your opinion is worth nothing.
I think you're in denial about how seriously you take yourself though, which seems to be very.
I'm not looking friends Sid, I'm not looking to be taken seriously either.. but laughing at your posts makes me smile..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
I live in England and I can tell you that not one person I spoke to actually believed England had won the World Cup after making the semi final. Yes they believed they could beat Croatia but ffs so would Ireland if we played them at that stage. Irish people so want the English to be arrogant so they can laugh at them when the fail and don t really care if what they believe is true or not. .The whole footballs coming home thing was tongue in cheek. But sure that doesn't fit the narrative that people want to portray. It's interesting that Irish people's view can still be driven by people in the English media, your Wrightys etc.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 15, 2018, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
Croatia's national television station proclaimed their team "the future world champions" after their semi-final victory.
Now that's an actual example of the supposed arrogance emanating from England that I havent heard any actual examples of before the semi-final.
Should Croatia lose tomorrow, I presume we'll be hearing and reading Ewan MacKenna and all the other online England-hating blowhards laying into Croatia for their actual arrogance, and telling us how they were deluded?
Nah, I doubt it...
You're full of shit, any people from Croatia I've met this week are very ecstatic about being in the final.
I've certainly found conversations with bar men, taxi drivers or ones at the beach have not in any way thought they have won the final.. getting past England was a big deal, but hey you'll get Wrightys in every sports channel..
I live in England and I can tell you that not one person I spoke to actually believed England had won the World Cup after making the semi final. Yes they believed they could beat Croatia but ffs so would Ireland if we played them at that stage. Irish people so want the English to be arrogant so they can laugh at them when the fail and don t really care if what they believe is true or not. .The whole footballs coming home thing was tongue in cheek. But sure that doesn't fit the narrative that people want to portray. It's interesting that Irish people's view can still be driven by people in the English media, your Wrightys etc.
That's pretty much it from my experience too. Irish people projecting arrogance on to the English fans. Tying to create something to knock down, that in reality isn't there.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
spent a few years in England as well and the arrogance around the national team is unreal. They need to ditch that song for starters like they have some ownership on the game and entitlement.
Why on earth would they ditch it?
It's a brilliant song - full of self-deprecation and humour.
World In Motion is another classic.
Do you think it's time Irish supporters ditched the "Put 'Em Under Pressure" song?
Containing as it does the line "we'll really shake them up them up when we win the World Cup, cause Ireland are the greatest football team"?
Which obviously showed that the whole Irish nation was drunk on its own sense of arrogance, entitlement and delusion, like.
England is rightly proud of its status as the home of football. Why wouldn't they celebrate that history?
They have a football culture that is unrivalled anywhere in the world, with huge attendances and full stadiums all the way down the divisions, right down to non-league level, every single week during the season. No other country has anything close to that. Go to Italy or Spain or Germany and see how many people attend second division matches.
And it's a football culture that is followed religiously here. English football is Ireland's de facto national sport, like it or not. It's far more widely followed on a regular basis than either hurling or Gaelic football is.
Put em under pressure has been ditched for a long time sid...
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2018, 12:30:29 PM
Put em under pressure has been ditched for a long time sid...
Really?
I'm a regular attendee at Ireland matches and you're dead wrong about that.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
spent a few years in England as well and the arrogance around the national team is unreal. They need to ditch that song for starters like they have some ownership on the game and entitlement.
Why on earth would they ditch it?
It's a brilliant song - full of self-deprecation and humour.
World In Motion is another classic.
Do you think it's time Irish supporters ditched the "Put 'Em Under Pressure" song?
Containing as it does the line "we'll really shake them up them up when we win the World Cup, cause Ireland are the greatest football team"?
Which obviously showed that the whole Irish nation was drunk on its own sense of arrogance, entitlement and delusion, like.
England is rightly proud of its status as the home of football. Why wouldn't they celebrate that history?
They have a football culture that is unrivalled anywhere in the world, with huge attendances and full stadiums all the way down the divisions, right down to non-league level, every single week during the season. No other country has anything close to that. Go to Italy or Spain or Germany and see how many people attend second division matches.
And it's a football culture that is followed religiously here. English football is Ireland's de facto national sport, like it or not. It's far more widely followed on a regular basis than either hurling or Gaelic football is.
Has also been toxic with racism and thugs while England supporters have been the bain of other countries only this time they knew what would happen if they put a foot out of step in Russia. They don't own the game. Was great to see the hures beat. That song is triumphalism and arrogant and the football coming home nonsense was really tapped into by Crotia if you listen to their interviews after. Home me arse
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Has also been toxic with racism and thugs while England supporters have been the bain of other countries only this time they knew what would happen if they put a foot out of step in Russia. They don't own the game. Was great to see the hures beat.
What's that got to do with a comedy song that takes the piss out of themselves?
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Has also been toxic with racism and thugs while England supporters have been the bain of other countries only this time they knew what would happen if they put a foot out of step in Russia. They don't own the game. Was great to see the hures beat.
What's that got to do with a comedy song that takes the piss out of themselves?
they don't take the piss out of themselves. They still like to think they're the master race.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2018, 12:30:29 PM
Put em under pressure has been ditched for a long time sid...
Really?
I'm a regular attendee at Ireland matches and you're dead wrong about that.
I'm a season ticket holder for about 6 years. I have not heard it once at the aviva. You must sit somewhere different from me. I was in poland in 2012. I might have heard it once or twice there thinking back on it but really that song is not sung much at all.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
spent a few years in England as well and the arrogance around the national team is unreal. They need to ditch that song for starters like they have some ownership on the game and entitlement.
Why on earth would they ditch it?
It's a brilliant song - full of self-deprecation and humour.
World In Motion is another classic.
Do you think it's time Irish supporters ditched the "Put 'Em Under Pressure" song?
Containing as it does the line "we'll really shake them up them up when we win the World Cup, cause Ireland are the greatest football team"?
Which obviously showed that the whole Irish nation was drunk on its own sense of arrogance, entitlement and delusion, like.
England is rightly proud of its status as the home of football. Why wouldn't they celebrate that history?
They have a football culture that is unrivalled anywhere in the world, with huge attendances and full stadiums all the way down the divisions, right down to non-league level, every single week during the season. No other country has anything close to that. Go to Italy or Spain or Germany and see how many people attend second division matches.
And it's a football culture that is followed religiously here. English football is Ireland's de facto national sport, like it or not. It's far more widely followed on a regular basis than either hurling or Gaelic football is.
Has also been toxic with racism and thugs while England supporters have been the bain of other countries only this time they knew what would happen if they put a foot out of step in Russia. They don't own the game. Was great to see the hures beat.
Toxic with racism? What the fook? The song was written by two Jews and a man of Irish Catholic background.
The way the whole of the English public got behind their team was the very anithesis of racism, you dope.
It cut across all classes and colours. Which is hardly suprising, as so did the team itself.
It was the very definition of a positive, non-threatening, inclusive affirmation of Englishness.
Nobody
owns the game. England don't claim to.
But they are they traditional home of the game. That's a fact. They're rightly proud of that.
If you want to look for racism in football, England is now one of the last places you'd look, because England made a concerted attempt to stamp out racism in football decades ago. There's always more that can be done, but on the whole they've been very successful in doing that.
If you want to look for toxic racism in football, look to the likes of Russia, today's finalists Croatia, and Italy, none of whom have even admitted they have a problem.
Serie A was once the world's greatest league, but it decided to let the thugs call the shots. Now vast swathes of empty seats are the norm there.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Has also been toxic with racism and thugs while England supporters have been the bain of other countries only this time they knew what would happen if they put a foot out of step in Russia. They don't own the game. Was great to see the hures beat.
What's that got to do with a comedy song that takes the piss out of themselves?
they don't take the piss out of themselves. They still like to think they're the master race.
You said the first thing they need to do is ditch the song.
The song is a comedy song, that takes the piss out of English football failures.
What has that got to to with arrogance etc?
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Has also been toxic with racism and thugs while England supporters have been the bain of other countries only this time they knew what would happen if they put a foot out of step in Russia. They don't own the game. Was great to see the hures beat.
What's that got to do with a comedy song that takes the piss out of themselves?
they don't take the piss out of themselves. They still like to think they're the master race.
I think you're very much confusing with them with another country there.
As I stated previously, Croatia has a strong Nazi history, concentration camps, exterminations and all.
Croatia as a state has embraced that shameful history as a something to be proud of, rather than confront it as a national shame like they should do.
Who thinks they're the master race again?
And the English very much do take the piss out of themselves. They're the best in the world at it. Maybe that's what you were thinking of - that they're the "master race" at sending themselves up?
There are a hell of a lot of Irish that could learn a thing or two about self-deprecation from them, by the looks of things.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2018, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 15, 2018, 12:30:29 PM
Put em under pressure has been ditched for a long time sid...
Really?
I'm a regular attendee at Ireland matches and you're dead wrong about that.
I'm a season ticket holder for about 6 years. I have not heard it once at the aviva. You must sit somewhere different from me. I was in poland in 2012. I might have heard it once or twice there thinking back on it but really that song is not sung much at all.
I've been going to Ireland matches for 30 years.
The song has been an absolute staple of the supporters for the last 28 years.
Supporters like myself and six others belting it out at the top of our voices in a flat in Copenhagen three hours before the play-off last November.
I think you're missing an irony detector here.
The following statement was an example of irony and absurdity.
QuoteContaining as it does the line "we'll really shake them up them up when we win the World Cup, cause Ireland are the greatest football team"?
Which obviously showed that the whole Irish nation was drunk on its own sense of arrogance, entitlement and delusion, like.
It was not a serious statement, and it is a shame to have to explain that.
Neither is the slogan "The Greatest League In The World" that the League of Ireland uses, a serious statement.
It is not a claim that the League Of Ireland is actually the greatest league in the world.
It is an obviously ironic send up of themselves.
Pah, the arrogance, the entitlement of League of Ireland supporters, thinking they have the greatest league on the world - it makes me sick, I tells ya!
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Has also been toxic with racism and thugs while England supporters have been the bain of other countries only this time they knew what would happen if they put a foot out of step in Russia. They don't own the game. Was great to see the hures beat.
What's that got to do with a comedy song that takes the piss out of themselves?
they don't take the piss out of themselves. They still like to think they're the master race.
I think you're very much confusing with them with another country there.
As I stated previously, Croatia has a strong Nazi history, concentration camps, exterminations and all.
Croatia as a state has embraced that shameful history as a something to be proud of, rather than confront it as a national shame like they should do.
Who thinks they're the master race again?
And the English very much do take the piss out of themselves. They're the best in the world at it. Maybe that's what you were thinking of - that they're the "master race" at sending themselves up?
There are a hell of a lot of Irish that could learn a thing or two about self-deprecation from them, by the looks of things.
(https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/848000/620x/55734734ae34e_thugs.jpg)
I suppose they are just taking the piss out of themselves, English humour and all that
Are being investigated for singing anti IRA songs at the World Cup and what is Rule Britannia at games all about and that shite about their RAF fighters... Brexit was driven by racism.
That a photo from the WC where they all sang Three Lions, Miltown?
Have you got a more recent photo, Milltown Row, or do you think it's still 1995?
I was standing on the terrace about 20 yards away from where all that took place, by the way, singing pro-IRA songs. Great days, but sure you live and learn.
England have been and gone at Lansdowne Road since then and there wasn't a hint of trouble.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Are being investigated for singing anti IRA songs at the World Cup and what is Rule Britannia at games all about and that shite about their RAF fighters... Brexit was driven by racism.
This is a Brexit thread, now?
I thought it was about football.
Mentioning Brexit as a reflection of majority of England mind set... and of course this
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6765137/england-fans-song-chant-croatia-world-cup-no-surrender/amp/
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Are being investigated for singing anti IRA songs at the World Cup and what is Rule Britannia at games all about and that shite about their RAF fighters... Brexit was driven by racism.
This is a Brexit thread, now?
I thought it was about football.
So is it about football or the state of Croatia's nazi past? You are doing well today
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Are being investigated for singing anti IRA songs at the World Cup and what is Rule Britannia at games all about and that shite about their RAF fighters... Brexit was driven by racism.
This is a Brexit thread, now?
I thought it was about football.
So is it about football or the state of Croatia's nazi past? You are doing well today
The mindset of England supporters who sing bout RAF bombers, Rule Britannia etc... similar mindset that drove Brexit. you know that. don't be their apologist.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Are being investigated for singing anti IRA songs at the World Cup and what is Rule Britannia at games all about and that shite about their RAF fighters... Brexit was driven by racism.
This is a Brexit thread, now?
I thought it was about football.
So is it about football or the state of Croatia's nazi past? You are doing well today
Croatian football is infected with genuinely toxic xenophobia and ultra-nationalism (ie. quasi-fascism) in a way that English football very definitely isn't.
A strong majority of voting English football supporters vote Labour - the game there is rooted in the left-leaning working classes.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Are being investigated for singing anti IRA songs at the World Cup and what is Rule Britannia at games all about and that shite about their RAF fighters... Brexit was driven by racism.
This is a Brexit thread, now?
I thought it was about football.
So is it about football or the state of Croatia's nazi past? You are doing well today
The mindset of England supporters who sing bout RAF bombers, Rule Britannia etc... similar mindset that drove Brexit. you know that. don't be their apologist.
We get it. Your views here can be summed up in three words.
You hate England.
And that's it.
Reality doesn't mean anything to you because...you hate England.
Just had great swim there along the Adriatic Sea, was struggling past all the nazi footballers, surprised I made it back!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-to-act-over-england-fans-nazi-salutes-mkfcggrh6
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 01:50:45 PM
Just had great swim there along the Adriatic Sea, was struggling past all the nazi footballers, surprised I made it back!
I'm surprised you were able to make it there at all given the extent to which your sorrows must have been drowned after England's magnificent run to the semi-finals.
Two hours away from the final and here we all are talking about England.
Love them or hate them, you just can't ignore them.
They're box office.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Are being investigated for singing anti IRA songs at the World Cup and what is Rule Britannia at games all about and that shite about their RAF fighters... Brexit was driven by racism.
This is a Brexit thread, now?
I thought it was about football.
So is it about football or the state of Croatia's nazi past? You are doing well today
The mindset of England supporters who sing bout RAF bombers, Rule Britannia etc... similar mindset that drove Brexit. you know that. don't be their apologist.
We get it. Your views here can be summed up in three words.
You hate England.
And that's it.
Reality doesn't mean anything to you because...you hate England.
not as much as you love them.. lick spittle
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 01:50:45 PM
Just had great swim there along the Adriatic Sea, was struggling past all the nazi footballers, surprised I made it back!
I'm surprised you were able to make it there at all given the extent to which your sorrows must have been drowned after England's magnificent run to the semi-finals.
Two hours away from the final and here we all are talking about England.
Love them or hate them, you just can't ignore them.
They're box office.
Box office? This truly shows you up for being a Troll and a WUM, deal with the newspaper report, 2017 I think, maybe you were at that game singing IRA songs too
Anyone an opinion on the football itself? :o
Hard to see Croatia getting anything today, looking forward to see how Modric gets on vs that France midfield. Likeable player who Id like to see get player of the tournament but reckon Mbappe will get it. If he scores it's nailed on.
So far been one of the best football tournaments, never mind World Cups, I can remember.
I go for a Croatia upset! I Think Belgium have been the best team at this world cup
Hope Croatia do it but I've gone for France 3-1 on the prediction comp.
OG and wasn't a foul on that free. Them the breaks.
great goal!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2018, 04:20:12 PM
OG and wasn't a foul on that free. Them the breaks.
Blatent cheating, as much a part of the game as heading or tackling
never a penalty in a hundred years
What a poor referee
No way was that a peno
France back in front and getting all of the rub of the green in this game.
If that was given against England yous would all be saying definite penalty lol.
The better side in that half find themselves behind at half time.
4-1 that should be it now
Has Lloris got concussion?
VAR ruined the final which is a real pity.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 15, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
VAR ruined the final which is a real pity.
It didn't really though. All it did was show up that there is no objective consensus on what constitutes a deliberate handball. Many people believe it was correctly awarded. Many people don't. VAR can't change that.
Referee still made the decision. Great final and tournament. Best since 1998.
Good World cup along with a good final that doesn't happen too often. Well done to France the best team throughout this World cup, Croatia can hold their heads up high they had very little luck today.
Quote from: shark on July 15, 2018, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 15, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
VAR ruined the final which is a real pity.
It didn't really though. All it did was show up that there is no objective consensus on what constitutes a deliberate handball. Many people believe it was correctly awarded. Many people don't. VAR can't change that.
No my problem isn't with the penalty it's with the not using it for the dive on the first goal or the ball that goes out of play just before the build up for the third goal leading to an incorrect throw in. All those decisions had as much impact on the game but VAR has created a hierarchy of rules to lead to greater injustice.
Why are some matters of opinion looked at multiple times when others aren't and matters of fact aren't.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 15, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 01:50:45 PM
Just had great swim there along the Adriatic Sea, was struggling past all the nazi footballers, surprised I made it back!
I'm surprised you were able to make it there at all given the extent to which your sorrows must have been drowned after England's magnificent run to the semi-finals.
Two hours away from the final and here we all are talking about England.
Love them or hate them, you just can't ignore them.
They're box office.
Box office? This truly shows you up for being a Troll and a WUM, deal with the newspaper report, 2017 I think, maybe you were at that game singing IRA songs too
How so?
England's semi-final rated higher on RTE than last year's All-Ireland hurling final and the second leg of the Ireland-Denmark World Cup play-off.
And that's just on RTE. Many people here would have watched on ITV.
That's a cold, hard fact.
It seems people in Ireland are actually more interested in how England do than in how Ireland do.
That is the very definition of BOX OFFICE, my friend.
Deal with it.
Defo penalty, his hand deflected the ball...
France best team by a large margin this tournament, came through the harder draw and won through..
Croatia must feel bad as they'd good possession but couldn't convert
God is crying because the World Cup is over. Great scenes in the pouring rain though.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
Defo penalty, his hand deflected the ball...
France best team by a large margin this tournament, came through the harder draw and won through..
Croatia must feel bad as they'd good possession but couldn't convert
But that's not the rule?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 15, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
VAR ruined the final which is a real pity.
It didn't.
Sight of Modric hugging his President and getting beamed around the world is hilarious given he's been indicted on perjury charges.
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 06:29:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
Defo penalty, his hand deflected the ball...
France best team by a large margin this tournament, came through the harder draw and won through..
Croatia must feel bad as they'd good possession but couldn't convert
But that's not the rule?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 15, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
VAR ruined the final which is a real pity.
It didn't.
Sight of Modric hugging his President and getting beamed around the world is hilarious given he's been indicted on perjury charges.
I think we will agree to disagree on that.
The President looked like she'd had a few sherberts
France are deserving winners in the end. They made the most of their luck in this game though. This game wasn't a classic it was all about the errors really. Getting the own goal and an accidental penalty set up the win.
Sid did you miss the post on the English men having the craic in 2017? Gallsman missed it also but sure, suit your own narrative
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 08:55:22 PM
Sid did you miss the post on the English men having the craic in 2017? Gallsman missed it also but sure, suit your own narrative
Maybe you should continue to spout on about rules that aren't actually anything to do with the laws of the game.
I watched the match in France. It was le "let's go fukcing mental" after the third goal.
France were more economical with their chances. Croatia did a lot of huffing and puffing with no end result
Would love to see a team from Eastern Europe winning next time.
Croatia have a lot to be proud of.
Was hoping the rain near the end would help the Croatian President win the Wet T-shirt competition ;)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/88/53/2688531a13647333ee9e9f9175cabfec.jpg)
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 08:55:22 PM
Sid did you miss the post on the English men having the craic in 2017? Gallsman missed it also but sure, suit your own narrative
Maybe you should continue to spout on about rules that aren't actually anything to do with the laws of the game.
So you are not going to question the link?
Your are a bigger d**khead than him it seems.. his hand stopped the ball, I'd say 4 professional referees are more intelligent than you on the rules.. penalty, even the Croatian fans here didn't complain, but sure carry on
Was in Croker today so only catching up with World Cup now. This peno you are bickering about did the ref give it and go to VAR to reinforce that or did the VAR referees contact him and tell him to look?
Quote from: Boycey on July 15, 2018, 10:27:40 PM
Was in Croker today so only catching up with World Cup now. This peno you are bickering about did the ref give it and go to VAR to reinforce that or did the VAR referees contact him and tell him to look?
The latter
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 08:55:22 PM
Sid did you miss the post on the English men having the craic in 2017? Gallsman missed it also but sure, suit your own narrative
Maybe you should continue to spout on about rules that aren't actually anything to do with the laws of the game.
So you are not going to question the link?
Your are a bigger d**khead than him it seems.. his hand stopped the ball, I'd say 4 professional referees are more intelligent than you on the rules.. penalty, even the Croatian fans here didn't complain, but sure carry on
What are you shiting on about now? The ball hitting his hand is not in dispute. The key point in the relevant law is that it has to be a deliberate act. Lineker read the thing or on air ffs.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2018, 09:08:07 PM
Was hoping the rain near the end would help the Croatian President win the Wet T-shirt competition ;)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/88/53/2688531a13647333ee9e9f9175cabfec.jpg)
That's not her.
The referee has to decide whether or not the hand was in an unnatural position, that's why the VAR lads made it his decision to make, real time or slow mo the ref has decided that it was handball..
Irrespective of that the best team overall won out, and regardless me winning a bet I wanted Croatia to win, they accepted the call, even the Germans besides me decked out in Croatian tops agreed..
But you'll continue to disagree with the ref and that's fine, but give him some credit, he didn't decide at the time but on reflection came to a different call, I wish I had that opportunity every week
That's not the arguement you made though, is it? You never said anything about the referee's judgment. What you said was:
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
Defo penalty, his hand deflected the ball...
The logical assumption here is that this is the totality of everything you have to say on the matter. His hand deflected the ball, ergo penalty. Which isn't what the law says, is it?
As for your other nonsense, I haven't disagreed with the decision at all. I can see equally how the ref chose to give it and how so many people see it the other way.
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 10:59:33 PM
That's not the arguement you made though, is it? You never said anything about the referee's judgment. What you said was:
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
Defo penalty, his hand deflected the ball...
The logical assumption here is that this is the totality of everything you have to say on the matter. His hand deflected the ball, ergo penalty. Which isn't what the law says, is it?
As for your other nonsense, I haven't disagreed with the decision at all. I can see equally how the ref chose to give it and how so many people see it the other way.
So it's ok to deflect the ball with your hand? cause that's not written in the rules it's ok, hmm
His hand did deflect the ball! If it didnt touch the ball it would have traveled further into the box! And possibly into an attackers path! Or even another own!
You still haven't addressed the link I put up for the English lads who preferred to be Nazis in 2017, not 1995, neither has Sid but he's a clown
Only saw it once in slow motion on the news and thought it was a penalty but slow motion doesn't always help... Don't like the ref overruling his original decision to give it cause it's subjective. Sometimes you'll get it sometime s you won't.
Glad he did though cause it helped me get a bet up worth €1350 that I put on this morning on a whim as I waited on my lift.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 10:59:33 PM
That's not the arguement you made though, is it? You never said anything about the referee's judgment. What you said was:
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
Defo penalty, his hand deflected the ball...
The logical assumption here is that this is the totality of everything you have to say on the matter. His hand deflected the ball, ergo penalty. Which isn't what the law says, is it?
As for your other nonsense, I haven't disagreed with the decision at all. I can see equally how the ref chose to give it and how so many people see it the other way.
So it's ok to deflect the ball with your hand? cause that's not written in the rules it's ok, hmm
His hand did deflect the ball! If it didnt touch the ball it would have traveled further into the box! And possibly into an attackers path! Or even another own!
You still haven't addressed the link I put up for the English lads who preferred to be Nazis in 2017, not 1995, neither has Sid but he's a clown
No one is saying it didn't hit his hand you absolute numpty!
The point is, by the law, it HAS to be a deliberate action. Assessing whether or not it was deliberate is where it becomes subjective ffs.
What have I to address in your link?! You're all over the shop.
The rule is .. hand in an unnatural position, referee decides that, or deliberately (easy one)
Unless that's changed then I'm sorry.. as for not addressing my link.it in relation to the English fans being nazi supporters, you asked the about whether it was at the world cup but the link I put up was 2017.. clearly giving it loads
But I'm all over the shop
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
That a photo from the WC where they all sang Three Lions, Miltown?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-to-act-over-england-fans-nazi-salutes-mkfcggrh6
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 15, 2018, 10:27:40 PM
Was in Croker today so only catching up with World Cup now. This peno you are bickering about did the ref give it and go to VAR to reinforce that or did the VAR referees contact him and tell him to look?
The latter
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 08:55:22 PM
Sid did you miss the post on the English men having the craic in 2017? Gallsman missed it also but sure, suit your own narrative
Maybe you should continue to spout on about rules that aren't actually anything to do with the laws of the game.
So you are not going to question the link?
Your are a bigger d**khead than him it seems.. his hand stopped the ball, I'd say 4 professional referees are more intelligent than you on the rules.. penalty, even the Croatian fans here didn't complain, but sure carry on
What are you shiting on about now? The ball hitting his hand is not in dispute. The key point in the relevant law is that it has to be a deliberate act. Lineker read the thing or on air ffs.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2018, 09:08:07 PM
Was hoping the rain near the end would help the Croatian President win the Wet T-shirt competition ;)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/88/53/2688531a13647333ee9e9f9175cabfec.jpg)
That's not her.
Just out of curiosity I looked up images of her and this picture was bang in the middle of them.
Then I saw another one which had this:
Croatian President Confused for Coco Austin in Old Bikini Photos ...
Croatian President Mistaken for Ice-T's Wife Coco Austin in Bikini Photos of the Model
Quote from: thebuzz on July 16, 2018, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 15, 2018, 10:27:40 PM
Was in Croker today so only catching up with World Cup now. This peno you are bickering about did the ref give it and go to VAR to reinforce that or did the VAR referees contact him and tell him to look?
The latter
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 08:55:22 PM
Sid did you miss the post on the English men having the craic in 2017? Gallsman missed it also but sure, suit your own narrative
Maybe you should continue to spout on about rules that aren't actually anything to do with the laws of the game.
So you are not going to question the link?
Your are a bigger d**khead than him it seems.. his hand stopped the ball, I'd say 4 professional referees are more intelligent than you on the rules.. penalty, even the Croatian fans here didn't complain, but sure carry on
What are you shiting on about now? The ball hitting his hand is not in dispute. The key point in the relevant law is that it has to be a deliberate act. Lineker read the thing or on air ffs.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2018, 09:08:07 PM
Was hoping the rain near the end would help the Croatian President win the Wet T-shirt competition ;)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/88/53/2688531a13647333ee9e9f9175cabfec.jpg)
That's not her.
Just out of curiosity I looked up images of her and this picture was bang in the middle of them.
Then I saw another one which had this:
Croatian President Confused for Coco Austin in Old Bikini Photos ...
Croatian President Mistaken for Ice-T's Wife Coco Austin in Bikini Photos of the Model
Yes, just like thebuzz I also, just out of curiosity, decided to look up images of blonde women with big boobs in bikinis....for research like...
It could take a while.....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
That a photo from the WC where they all sang Three Lions, Miltown?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-to-act-over-england-fans-nazi-salutes-mkfcggrh6
So I asked you a question and you answered it? What more would you like me to say on the matter?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
The rule is .. hand in an unnatural position, referee decides that, or deliberately (easy one)
Unless that's changed then I'm sorry.. as for not addressing my link.it in relation to the English fans being nazi supporters, you asked the about whether it was at the world cup but the link I put up was 2017.. clearly giving it loads
But I'm all over the shop
Ah that's not rule but sure you work away
Quote from: HiMucker on July 16, 2018, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
The rule is .. hand in an unnatural position, referee decides that, or deliberately (easy one)
Unless that's changed then I'm sorry.. as for not addressing my link.it in relation to the English fans being nazi supporters, you asked the about whether it was at the world cup but the link I put up was 2017.. clearly giving it loads
But I'm all over the shop
Ah that's not rule but sure you work away
A handball should not be awarded if a player is ruled to have handled the ball accidentally. This refers to a player either attempting to protect himself from injury, for example by placing the hands in front of the face and then being hit by the ball, or a player being hit on the arm by the ball without moving towards the ball and without being able to move out of the way. An example might be a snap shot hitting the arm of a defender at point-blank range.
However, if a player's arm is in an unnatural position, for example outstretched or above their head, then a foul should be awarded whether accidental or not.I've highlighted it, just in case
From fifa rules, but you can work away too
Quote from: gallsman on July 16, 2018, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
That a photo from the WC where they all sang Three Lions, Miltown?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-to-act-over-england-fans-nazi-salutes-mkfcggrh6
So I asked you a question and you answered it? What more would you like me to say on the matter?
Seems I got the wrong end of the stick, I believed you were of the notion that the England fans were great lads, and in the Sid camp of thought. Id put a picture up of the lovely lads having some banter.
Apologies
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2018, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 16, 2018, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 15, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
That a photo from the WC where they all sang Three Lions, Miltown?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-to-act-over-england-fans-nazi-salutes-mkfcggrh6
So I asked you a question and you answered it? What more would you like me to say on the matter?
Seems I got the wrong end of the stick, I believed you were of the notion that the England fans were great lads, and in the Sid camp of thought. Id put a picture up of the lovely lads having some banter.
Apologies
Literally my only comment was about the Three Lions song, so not sure sure how you managed that.
Was really hoping Croatia would win but France were more clinical in front of goal even though Croatia dominated possession for the first hour. Big dive by Griezmann for the free leading up to the first goal and with the pen, I don't think anyone could be 100% sure so probably shouldn't have given it. Having said that France beat Argentina, Uruguay, Belgium and Croatia in the knockout phase so deserved winners of the tournament. Mbappe is already a class act and is going to be some player in a couple of years. Very good World Cup to watch, helped by the crackdown on the pullin' and draggin' in the box at corners etc. FIFA really need to get to grips with diving and play acting next.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 15, 2018, 07:10:00 PM
France are deserving winners in the end. They made the most of their luck in this game though. This game wasn't a classic it was all about the errors really. Getting the own goal and an accidental penalty set up the win.
Be nice to have a chat on the football, not the refs decisions.
France were clearly the best team in the competition - there was nearly unanimous agreement at the start that they were one of the favourites, but the question was could they play as a team? I think they did that very well, and huge credit must go to Deschamps, as coach and manager. He is now in some company (with Beckenbauer and Zagallo) as the men who have won WCs as player and manager, and yet, prior to the tournament he was under massive pressure from his own country's media. The football wasn't consistently spectacular, but (as Johnny Giles might say), they played each game on its merits, and came out on top when it mattered.
What do we take from the tournament in how the game is developing? My own take is that the 'gaps' between good teams and bad teams is narrowing, and qualifying is going to get harder and harder. More and more countries are learning how to defend properly - my guess is that we are going to go into a period where counter-attacking is going to be the coaching focus (retaining possession seems now to be out-of-date) - with a big big focus on organisation without the ball.
So what do we take from the successes and the failures. France are a massive country, and their education system places a big emphasis on sport - the Clarefontaine academy has now led to success in 2 WCs and an EC. If they can transform their league into one that can compete for players with La Liga and the PL, then we could see them becoming a (more) dominant force (than they already are). Croatia, as a tiny country producing (consistently) world-class players, in all positions, must be worth studying, from Ireland's perspective at least. If we look back at the fact that they nearly didn't qualify in the first place, then we have to concede that the skills of their manager must be a key factor - is this a golden generation, or is this a one-off effort in support of a man with motivational skills? Germany - poor choices in selection of the squad; nothing more. Brazil - not in a good place; mass exodus of their players from local football; might never be a force again, realistically. Argentina - ditto. Uruguay - they know who they are; they know what they can do; they keep doing it, but are too small to win it without massive luck. England - won the games they should have, lost they games they should have; have a real coach for the first time in ages (since Bobby Robson, probably) and might improve to a second-tier nation.
So, a very good WC - it nearly always is, in fairness.
I see they have named a tube station on the London Underground after Southgate :-\
Quote from: Billys Boots on July 16, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 15, 2018, 07:10:00 PM
France are deserving winners in the end. They made the most of their luck in this game though. This game wasn't a classic it was all about the errors really. Getting the own goal and an accidental penalty set up the win.
Be nice to have a chat on the football, not the refs decisions.
France were clearly the best team in the competition - there was nearly unanimous agreement at the start that they were one of the favourites, but the question was could they play as a team? I think they did that very well, and huge credit must go to Deschamps, as coach and manager. He is now in some company (with Beckenbauer and Zagallo) as the men who have won WCs as player and manager, and yet, prior to the tournament he was under massive pressure from his own country's media. The football wasn't consistently spectacular, but (as Johnny Giles might say), they played each game on its merits, and came out on top when it mattered.
What do we take from the tournament in how the game is developing? My own take is that the 'gaps' between good teams and bad teams is narrowing, and qualifying is going to get harder and harder. More and more countries are learning how to defend properly - my guess is that we are going to go into a period where counter-attacking is going to be the coaching focus (retaining possession seems now to be out-of-date) - with a big big focus on organisation without the ball.
So what do we take from the successes and the failures. France are a massive country, and their education system places a big emphasis on sport - the Clarefontaine academy has now led to success in 2 WCs and an EC. If they can transform their league into one that can compete for players with La Liga and the PL, then we could see them becoming a (more) dominant force (than they already are). Croatia, as a tiny country producing (consistently) world-class players, in all positions, must be worth studying, from Ireland's perspective at least. If we look back at the fact that they nearly didn't qualify in the first place, then we have to concede that the skills of their manager must be a key factor - is this a golden generation, or is this a one-off effort in support of a man with motivational skills? Germany - poor choices in selection of the squad; nothing more. Brazil - not in a good place; mass exodus of their players from local football; might never be a force again, realistically. Argentina - ditto. Uruguay - they know who they are; they know what they can do; they keep doing it, but are too small to win it without massive luck. England - won the games they should have, lost they games they should have; have a real coach for the first time in ages (since Bobby Robson, probably) and might improve to a second-tier nation.
So, a very good WC - it nearly always is, in fairness.
Croatia finished 3rd in 1998 so at a generational level they are capable of producing good players (Suker, Boban, Prosinecki from mid-late 90s) and good tournament squads. As you say, they'd definitely be worth investigating for other similar sized places like Ireland.
Quote from: Minder on July 16, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
I see they have named a tube station on the London Underground after Southgate :-\
It was already called Southgate ;)
I've seen absolutely feck all of yesterday s match, is there a 2/3 mins highlights package kicking around anywhere?
Quote from: Boycey on July 16, 2018, 07:22:59 PM
I've seen absolutely feck all of yesterday s match, is there a 2/3 mins highlights package kicking around anywhere?
10 mins
http://www.yoursoccerdose.com/2018/07/15/france-vs-croatia-highlights/#3
If Benzema had made squad does he start ahead of Giroud or does the latter offer more as a battering ram to Benzema movement?
France have now won 2 world cup carrying a lead front man that barely registered a goal, unreal
Quote from: gawa316 on July 16, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 16, 2018, 07:22:59 PM
I've seen absolutely feck all of yesterday s match, is there a 2/3 mins highlights package kicking around anywhere?
10 mins
http://www.yoursoccerdose.com/2018/07/15/france-vs-croatia-highlights/#3
Cheers
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2018, 08:10:47 PM
France have now won 2 world cup carrying a lead front man that barely registered a goal, unreal
Giroud now holds the record for most shots off target in any world cup.
Did Mpabbe not take a goal of him in one game? That shot was going in.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 16, 2018, 10:32:12 PM
Did Mpabbe not take a goal of him in one game? That shot was going in.
Harry Kane claimed that one also...
The French and Deschamps knew exactly what they were getting with Giroud. I thought in the sytem that they played which changed in various games, he was more than effective. I am sure Arsenal fans were watching in disbelief at his work rate and closing down and challenging for every single ball, holding it up well and linking the play.
I thought it was the best I have ever seen him perform, regardless of the goals or lack there of.
Caught a bit of England documentary "summer of love". Oh Jesus, you'd think they had actually achieved something. Southgate is now officially a genius apparently. And the players warriors of the highest order.
Who did they beat again... oh aye, Tunisia, Panama and half a Colombia team on penalties. Jesus, ''twas cringeworthy viewing.
Looks like Rice may be declaring for us after all. Massive plus and a wee goal from Obafemi today as well.
Can't be arsed starting a new thread but can I be the 1st to say
It's coming home #lionesses
Quote from: Boycey on June 27, 2019, 09:20:30 PM
Can't be arsed starting a new thread but can I be the 1st to say
It's coming home #lionesses
Tried watching a few minutes the other night. Hard to watch. Not as bad as watching ladies football, but not far away either
I dont know anything about Ladies Soccer or even the men's cricket. I don't think either of them are coming home though.
The ladies soccer is getting a wee bit worrying though as I think they have a big shout... i've Watched a few games and quite enjoyed them in the tournament Far less diving and theatrics than the male equivalent.
I know nothing about cricket.
I've dipped into a few games in passing especially since the knockout started, it's been quite good and bar the Cameroonians ?? it's been lacking in histrionics
Big game tonight, hosts France against favourites USA, winner plays England in the semis.
A double on lionesses and cricketers pays a tasty 24/1 ;)
Donalds friend Megan Rapinoe has scored early on for the US he'll be thrilled ;D
Standard of outfield play in the later phases has been great. Goalkeeping is definitely at a lower standard than outfield but the keepers are always going to lack the physical presence of their male counterparts.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 28, 2019, 08:49:51 PM
Standard of outfield play in the later phases has been great. Goalkeeping is definitely at a lower standard than outfield but the keepers are always going to lack the physical presence of their male counterparts.
Ed Woodward preparing a £100 million bid for Megan Rapinoe as we speak.
Quote from: laoislad on June 28, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 28, 2019, 08:49:51 PM
Standard of outfield play in the later phases has been great. Goalkeeping is definitely at a lower standard than outfield but the keepers are always going to lack the physical presence of their male counterparts.
Ed Woodward preparing a £100 million bid for Megan Rapinoe as we speak.
They've bought worse
France bottled that a bit. I think, hope, England in for a beating from them.
Looks like the Lionesses have inherited their male counterparts knack of shooting themselves in the foot. :)
I wonder why Rapinoe wasn't playing?!
Alex Morgan is a bit of alright.
Quote from: laoislad on July 02, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Alex Morgan is a bit of alright.
Terrible diver though.
Either Hope Solo is huge or the other 2 girls on the Beeb are midgets....
That was no penalty. Justice was done.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 02, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
That was no penalty. Justice was done.
Quit, a penalty all day long.
Looked a pen all day long but the replays showed she didn't touch her at all. More a terrible miss. Justice done
She got clipped. I think it was unintentional but fair chance it would have been a goal so had to be a penalty imo.
Took them a while to find the right angle but the reason she fluffed it was because her leg was clipped from behind. Stonewall penalty.
Never a penalty. The US player was running, no intent or contact whatsoever
Quote from: BennyCake on July 02, 2019, 10:41:48 PM
Never a penalty. The US player was running, no intent or contact whatsoever
Definite penalty what were you watching??
Youse still talking about the pen the doll missed?
Was the disallowed goal before or after the pen?
Was it allowed by the ref initially?
Any doubt about it or clearcut ?
It was before the penalty.
About an 1/8 of an inch offside, going by the freeze frame. Initially allowed by the ref, and then oVARturned.
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.
Neville is an awful spoofer. Called Lucy Bronze the best player in the world before the game. Talk about no craft. All about himself spoofing to the media.
Quote from: screenexile on July 02, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 02, 2019, 10:41:48 PM
Never a penalty. The US player was running, no intent or contact whatsoever
Definite penalty what were you watching??
It's no penalty if the forward clips the defender and that's what it looked like to me, rather than vice versa.
I suspect White was adjusting to make contact with the ball.
But hey I have no complaints, the penalty was saved and order restored.
Quote from: screenexile on July 02, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 02, 2019, 10:41:48 PM
Never a penalty. The US player was running, no intent or contact whatsoever
Definite penalty what were you watching??
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.
Not on tonight's outcomes.
Var got both right.
England disallowed goal was offside - not by much but it was still clear.
Stonewall penalty as well.
Two good decisions by VAR.
Neville might need to be reviewed. A decent bloke and would forgive him the bit about going down to 10 men. Having a dig at the ref though was just silly. Reckoned she lost control of the game!
The ref was brilliant.
The penalty decision was correct. The defender might not have meant it but there was contact so it is a definite penalty. The penalty itself was one of the worst I have seen in such a crucial situation.
Quote from: moysider on July 03, 2019, 12:21:13 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.
Not on tonight's outcomes.
Var got both right.
England disallowed goal was offside - not by much but it was still clear.
Stonewall penalty as well.
Two good decisions by VAR.
Neville might need to be reviewed. A decent bloke and would forgive him the bit about going down to 10 men. Having a dig at the ref though was just silly. Reckoned she lost control of the game!
The ref was brilliant.
His team kept giving the ball away when under no pressure at all. That was their main issue so he should look at that first.
England teams always do this kind of thing. I think it's the pressure of the media. Doesn't seem to happen to very many other countries. The sloppiness of a lot of their passing was very poor.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2019, 12:29:48 AM
The penalty decision was correct. The defender might not have meant it but there was contact so it is a definite penalty. The penalty itself was one of the worst I have seen in such a crucial situation.
So if an attacking player runs into a defender or an outstretched foot and falls over, it's a penalty?
Intent is not the question in this situation, it does not come into the equation, it's a question of who tripped who.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.
The problem isn't VAR, it's the rule. She was offside. VAR allowed the ref to make the correct decision.
The real question is whether that should be the correct decision.
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 01:03:05 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2019, 12:29:48 AM
The penalty decision was correct. The defender might not have meant it but there was contact so it is a definite penalty. The penalty itself was one of the worst I have seen in such a crucial situation.
So if an attacking player runs into a defender or an outstretched foot and falls over, it's a penalty?
Intent is not the question in this situation, it does not come into the equation, it's a question of who tripped who.
But that's not what happened, is it? White was in front of the American defender.
I think the penalty was an incorrect decision. White pulling her leg back to shoot was what caused the contact. Surely a defender doesn't have to get out of the way to let her shoot? If we're saying she has to then where are we going. This "there was contact" rubbish - if that's the criteria there are literally hundreds of penalties each game. This incident was the same as when an attacker moves their leg to initiate contact when looking for a penalty.
USA were the better team but I feel they ran themselves into the ground and were hanging on somewhat towards the end. Someone called Alex Morgan a diver above - she's a magnificent striker. Everythnig about her play was fantastic. She did exaggerate a few times granted but this competition has shown a marked absence of the scandalous carry on that's the norm in the mens game.
Also disagreed totally with Phil Neville on the ref. Thought she was excellent throughout bar the penalty decision (though I accept she may have done what refs are told to do - I'd disagree with the instruction). Phil has done a good job. Their best WC ever and within a hares breath of at least taking a superior side to extra time. He got a lot of unwarranted shit when he took the job, glad for him he has proved people wrong.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 03, 2019, 08:24:53 AM
I think the penalty was an incorrect decision. White pulling her leg back to shoot was what caused the contact. Surely a defender doesn't have to get out of the way to let her shoot? If we're saying she has to then where are we going. This "there was contact" rubbish - if that's the criteria there are literally hundreds of penalties each game. This incident was the same as when an attacker moves their leg to initiate contact when looking for a penalty.
USA were the better team but I feel they ran themselves into the ground and were hanging on somewhat towards the end. Someone called Alex Morgan a diver above - she's a magnificent striker. Everythnig about her play was fantastic. She did exaggerate a few times granted but this competition has shown a marked absence of the scandalous carry on that's the norm in the mens game.
Also disagreed totally with Phil Neville on the ref. Thought she was excellent throughout bar the penalty decision (though I accept she may have done what refs are told to do - I'd disagree with the instruction). Phil has done a good job. Their best WC ever and within a hares breath of at least taking a superior side to extra time. He got a lot of unwarranted shit when he took the job, glad for him he has proved people wrong.
Agree with this. Not a penalty for me as the first action was by the striker, it should nt be up to the defender to get out of the way. Ironically I can see how it could have been given at full speed but not after review, obviously the opposite of what happened.
It made me think of another potential VAR issue. Player going through on goal, defender slides in, misses the ball because the player jumps over the tackle. As a result the striker looses their balance and ball runs away. Penalty or not?
I don't see how you are disputing the penalty lads.
It was a very difficult one to spot in open play so no blame on the ref there, but as the striker pulled her foot back to shoot the defender clips her ankle.
Accidental or not it doesn't matter, it was a penalty. The English girl was denied a clear strike on the goal therefore can't be anything other than a penalty.
It literally doesn't matter one jot if she ran in front of the defender, she was clipped in the action of striking the ball.
That being said the level of officiating at the tournament has been bang average at best.
Quote from: NAG1 on July 03, 2019, 08:48:35 AM
I don't see how you are disputing the penalty lads.
It was a very difficult one to spot in open play so no blame on the ref there, but as the striker pulled her foot back to shoot the defender clips her ankle.
Accidental or not it doesn't matter, it was a penalty. The English girl was denied a clear strike on the goal therefore can't be anything other than a penalty.
It literally doesn't matter one jot if she ran in front of the defender, she was clipped in the action of striking the ball.
That being said the level of officiating at the tournament has been bang average at best.
But it was her motion that caused her to be clipped so in effect did she "kick" the defender when the defender was simply running in a straight line? Why should the forward be deemed to be the injured party?
I do think this is a very tricky one however
Quote from: gallsman on July 03, 2019, 05:38:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.
The problem isn't VAR, it's the rule. She was offside. VAR allowed the ref to make the correct decision.
The real question is whether that should be the correct decision.
Thats a fair point. With VAR the attacker no longer gets the benefit of the doubt. If using VAR for offside they should go back to the clear daylight rule IMO. It will mean more goals as well.
I wonder does Neville get a go at any of the players
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 03, 2019, 09:57:51 AM
I wonder does Neville get a go at any of the players
If he changed his name to Philomena then probably.
What was she meant to do though other than pull her leg back to take a shot? (I don't think that's exactly what happened to be honest but say it was you can't not go for a shot because someone is there - it's not like a hook in hurling...)
Quote from: gallsman on July 03, 2019, 05:40:09 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 01:03:05 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 03, 2019, 12:29:48 AM
The penalty decision was correct. The defender might not have meant it but there was contact so it is a definite penalty. The penalty itself was one of the worst I have seen in such a crucial situation.
So if an attacking player runs into a defender or an outstretched foot and falls over, it's a penalty?
Intent is not the question in this situation, it does not come into the equation, it's a question of who tripped who.
But that's not what happened, is it? White was in front of the American defender.
The trailing leg stretched a fair way behind her to make contact with the defender. With a video assisted decision it's not so clear cut, there's is a doubt. I'd say the ref thought it was a penalty in real time and saw enough in the video replays to justify her decision and not enough to change her decision.
She didn't give a penalty???
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
What was she meant to do though other than pull her leg back to take a shot? (I don't think that's exactly what happened to be honest but say it was you can't not go for a shot because someone is there - it's not like a hook in hurling...)
I suppose that's my point, Nobody is saying she cannot take the shot but it should not be up to the defender to move. Why is it just not fair contact (it is a contact sport) and no foul?
valid question. It just feels like a foul to me but I am not sure the exact specifics of the rules on this kind of thing. If you went to kick in Gaa and couldn't because someone was running in and you couldn't swing your leg would that not also be a foul?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 03, 2019, 10:54:01 AM
valid question. It just feels like a foul to me but I am not sure the exact specifics of the rules on this kind of thing. If you went to kick in Gaa and couldn't because someone was running in and you couldn't swing your leg would that not also be a foul?
Honestly dont know the answer to this. Agree with you that it does seem like a foul and is usually given. Especially at is relatively easy for a defender to "accidentally" run behind someone but it does seem to create a hierarchy of types of contact that I'm not clear how it is addressed in the rules in either sport. I think the incident last night is more difficult because the touch was so minimal, does the rulebook specify how forceful contact must be? You often hear commentators saying "not enough contact to make him go down" but how is that addressed?
Who would be a ref! :D :D
Lol. Exactly. A lot of it open to interpretation. Var is a good thing but even it is flawed with the France USA game being an example. France should have had a penalty but the referee didn't deem it should go to var. (should have had based on modern bs handball rules might I add)
That Neville talks a lot of tosh, he's on at half time show this evening saying that England are the most (or one of the most) consistant team in the world, more consistant than Germany who Neville claims are up and down.
What an utter idiot!
Germany tournament record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_women%27s_national_football_team#Tournament_record
2 x WC champions 1 x OL champions 8 x Euro champions
England have a decent record of reaching group stages and sometimes the last 8, but somehow they magically transform into world beaters when they go out in the semis ::)
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
That Neville talks a lot of tosh, he's on at half time show this evening saying that England are the most (or one of the most) consistant team in the world, more consistant than Germany who Neville claims are up and down.
What an utter idiot!
Germany tournament record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_women%27s_national_football_team#Tournament_record
2 x WC champions 1 x OL champions 8 x Euro champions
England have a decent record of reaching group stages and sometimes the last 8, but somehow they magically transform into world beaters when they go out in the semis ::)
Manager in talking up his team shocker! :o You'll be telling us Kieran McGeeney thinks Armagh should be in the Super 8s next... :D
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 03, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
That Neville talks a lot of tosh, he's on at half time show this evening saying that England are the most (or one of the most) consistant team in the world, more consistant than Germany who Neville claims are up and down.
What an utter idiot!
Germany tournament record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_women%27s_national_football_team#Tournament_record
2 x WC champions 1 x OL champions 8 x Euro champions
England have a decent record of reaching group stages and sometimes the last 8, but somehow they magically transform into world beaters when they go out in the semis ::)
Manager in talking up his team shocker! :o You'll be telling us Kieran McGeeney thinks Armagh should be in the Super 8s next... :D
If McGeeney, instead of moaning about refs, had claimed his team were a consistant top team, unlike Dublin who were up and down, he might have matched the stupidity of what Neville said.
Not seen the interview in question but hear them say in commentary the other night that it was the 3rd major tournament in a row that England had been beaten in the semi-final. That's consistent ;)
Consistent with the mens too. Get to a decent stage of the tournament and shit the bed. I don't know what it is - I suspect the media won't help.
Quote from: Boycey on July 05, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
Not seen the interview in question but hear them say in commentary the other night that it was the 3rd major tournament in a row that England had been beaten in the semi-final. That's consistent ;)
Mayo comes to mind.
Germany 11 (World x2, Olympic x1, Euro x8 titles) v England 0
Quote from: Main Street on July 05, 2019, 10:50:22 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 05, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
Not seen the interview in question but hear them say in commentary the other night that it was the 3rd major tournament in a row that England had been beaten in the semi-final. That's consistent ;)
Mayo comes to mind.
Germany 11 (World x2, Olympic x1, Euro x8 titles) v England 0
Mayo should not come to mind - We win semi finals! ;D
Sorry about that.
England womens' record is even surpassed by Mayo.
Anyone else think the Americans are a bunch of insufferable arses?
Quote from: Main Street on July 05, 2019, 11:18:40 PM
Sorry about that.
England womens' record is even surpassed by Mayo.
Mayo's record surpasses a lot of counties, including your own.
Come to think of it your own county is one to remind me of England when it comes to semi finals! ;)
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-crowd-chants-fk-trump-during-fox-news-live-shot-of-world-cup-victory-celebration/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-crowd-chants-fk-trump-during-fox-news-live-shot-of-world-cup-victory-celebration/)
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 06, 2019, 09:37:27 AM
Anyone else think the Americans are a bunch of insufferable arses?
Megan and co aren't short on confidence but in fairness they can back it up with ability.
Now to the White House for burgers and fries.