A5 WTC (New Road from Aughnacloy to Derry)

[front of the mountain]

It will be massive loss for construction jobs especially in the times that it is!

[Franko]

f**k knows what projects they'd have pulled if they hadn't 'found' the 3.6bn...??

[Maguire01]

well in fairness it would be hard to sell the cuts that are coming up in the budget to the 'sheep' while building a road in 'the nort'.
jao meebollicks would have had a fieldday

Well if lots of road projects throughout the Republic are being cancelled, why should a road in the North get the go ahead. It would be a slap in the face of taxpayers.

The road would effectively be a corridor from Monaghan to Donegal so yes, it is of benefit to the 26 counties.

But if they can't afford to build the road through Monaghan and up to Aughnacloy, why would they prioritise the Aughnacloy to Derry section?

It was to meet up with the road in Monaghan.

Would you rather the new road avoided the north and went the long way round to Donegal?

My point is that there was no money and no sign of the Monaghan section being built. So why would the southern Government use taxpayers' money to prioritise the section in the north?

And let's not forget, this is only one of countless infrastructure projects that have been pulled.

Cos they promised before the election, and again in May, that they would provide the funds? Or was Enda treated as badly as Bertie....nobody told him in May that there was an economic crisis? Furthermore it would have meant that Derry would no longer be Ireland's only main city with no main road to Dublin.

Yes, but again, if they can't afford to fund the part of the road in their own taxpayers' jurisdiction...

[Tubberman]

well in fairness it would be hard to sell the cuts that are coming up in the budget to the 'sheep' while building a road in 'the nort'.
jao meebollicks would have had a fieldday

Well if lots of road projects throughout the Republic are being cancelled, why should a road in the North get the go ahead. It would be a slap in the face of taxpayers.

The road would effectively be a corridor from Monaghan to Donegal so yes, it is of benefit to the 26 counties.

But if they can't afford to build the road through Monaghan and up to Aughnacloy, why would they prioritise the Aughnacloy to Derry section?

It was to meet up with the road in Monaghan.

Would you rather the new road avoided the north and went the long way round to Donegal?

My point is that there was no money and no sign of the Monaghan section being built. So why would the southern Government use taxpayers' money to prioritise the section in the north?

And let's not forget, this is only one of countless infrastructure projects that have been pulled.

Cos they promised before the election, and again in May, that they would provide the funds? Or was Enda treated as badly as Bertie....nobody told him in May that there was an economic crisis? Furthermore it would have meant that Derry would no longer be Ireland's only main city with no main road to Dublin.

Yes, but again, if they can't afford to fund the part of the road in their own taxpayers' jurisdiction...

Nally:

[Nally Stand]

well in fairness it would be hard to sell the cuts that are coming up in the budget to the 'sheep' while building a road in 'the nort'.
jao meebollicks would have had a fieldday

Well if lots of road projects throughout the Republic are being cancelled, why should a road in the North get the go ahead. It would be a slap in the face of taxpayers.

The road would effectively be a corridor from Monaghan to Donegal so yes, it is of benefit to the 26 counties.

But if they can't afford to build the road through Monaghan and up to Aughnacloy, why would they prioritise the Aughnacloy to Derry section?

It was to meet up with the road in Monaghan.

Would you rather the new road avoided the north and went the long way round to Donegal?

My point is that there was no money and no sign of the Monaghan section being built. So why would the southern Government use taxpayers' money to prioritise the section in the north?

And let's not forget, this is only one of countless infrastructure projects that have been pulled.

Cos they promised before the election, and again in May, that they would provide the funds? Or was Enda treated as badly as Bertie....nobody told him in May that there was an economic crisis? Furthermore it would have meant that Derry would no longer be Ireland's only main city with no main road to Dublin.

Yes, but again, if they can't afford to fund the part of the road in their own taxpayers' jurisdiction...

But did Enda & Co think back in May that they could afford it? ("The previous government had committed to put money in there and we will honour that commitment." Enda Kenny, May 2011). Did nobody tell him about the debt crisis in May? Has nobody told him about the €3.6bn that has since magically appeared? Has nobody told him that funding for this road by the Dublin government was a committment of the St Andrew's Agreement?
I just don't understand how he has suddenly realised they can't afford the road, when he was full of promises a few short months ago. Maybe back in May, nobody told him they would have to pay €750m to foreign bondholders by the start of November.

[Nally Stand]

Excellent contribution Tubberman. eh hem.

[Trout]

Surely a SF lapdog can understand a politician reneging on a commitment, can you not get it through your skull that this isn't the only project being shelved and it isn't a grand conspiracy.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

well in fairness it would be hard to sell the cuts that are coming up in the budget to the 'sheep' while building a road in 'the nort'.
jao meebollicks would have had a fieldday

Well if lots of road projects throughout the Republic are being cancelled, why should a road in the North get the go ahead. It would be a slap in the face of taxpayers.

The road would effectively be a corridor from Monaghan to Donegal so yes, it is of benefit to the 26 counties.

But if they can't afford to build the road through Monaghan and up to Aughnacloy, why would they prioritise the Aughnacloy to Derry section?

It was to meet up with the road in Monaghan.

Would you rather the new road avoided the north and went the long way round to Donegal?

My point is that there was no money and no sign of the Monaghan section being built. So why would the southern Government use taxpayers' money to prioritise the section in the north?

And let's not forget, this is only one of countless infrastructure projects that have been pulled.

Cos they promised before the election, and again in May, that they would provide the funds? Or was Enda treated as badly as Bertie....nobody told him in May that there was an economic crisis? Furthermore it would have meant that Derry would no longer be Ireland's only main city with no main road to Dublin.

Yes, but again, if they can't afford to fund the part of the road in their own taxpayers' jurisdiction...

But did Enda & Co think back in May that they could afford it? ("The previous government had committed to put money in there and we will honour that commitment." Enda Kenny, May 2011). Did nobody tell him about the debt crisis in May? Has nobody told him about the €3.6bn that has since magically appeared? Has nobody told him that funding for this road by the Dublin government was a committment of the St Andrew's Agreement?
I just don't understand how he has suddenly realised they can't afford the road, when he was full of promises a few short months ago. Maybe back in May, nobody told him they would have to pay €750m to foreign bondholders by the start of November.

Nally now that Martin is back up North, will ya ask him can he put the money into to upgrading the Atlantic Corridor and the N5, I expect he will have no problem sucking the funds out of the North and let a few projects up there hit the shelf as part of the sarcrifice.

[Nally Stand]

well in fairness it would be hard to sell the cuts that are coming up in the budget to the 'sheep' while building a road in 'the nort'.
jao meebollicks would have had a fieldday

Well if lots of road projects throughout the Republic are being cancelled, why should a road in the North get the go ahead. It would be a slap in the face of taxpayers.

The road would effectively be a corridor from Monaghan to Donegal so yes, it is of benefit to the 26 counties.

But if they can't afford to build the road through Monaghan and up to Aughnacloy, why would they prioritise the Aughnacloy to Derry section?

It was to meet up with the road in Monaghan.

Would you rather the new road avoided the north and went the long way round to Donegal?

My point is that there was no money and no sign of the Monaghan section being built. So why would the southern Government use taxpayers' money to prioritise the section in the north?

And let's not forget, this is only one of countless infrastructure projects that have been pulled.

Cos they promised before the election, and again in May, that they would provide the funds? Or was Enda treated as badly as Bertie....nobody told him in May that there was an economic crisis? Furthermore it would have meant that Derry would no longer be Ireland's only main city with no main road to Dublin.

Yes, but again, if they can't afford to fund the part of the road in their own taxpayers' jurisdiction...

But did Enda & Co think back in May that they could afford it? ("The previous government had committed to put money in there and we will honour that commitment." Enda Kenny, May 2011). Did nobody tell him about the debt crisis in May? Has nobody told him about the €3.6bn that has since magically appeared? Has nobody told him that funding for this road by the Dublin government was a committment of the St Andrew's Agreement?
I just don't understand how he has suddenly realised they can't afford the road, when he was full of promises a few short months ago. Maybe back in May, nobody told him they would have to pay €750m to foreign bondholders by the start of November.

Nally now that Martin is back up North, will ya ask him can he put the money into to upgrading the Atlantic Corridor and the N5, I expect he will have no problem sucking the funds out of the North and let a few projects up there hit the shelf as part of the sarcrifice.

Did he say in May that he would do so?
Did he also specifically commit to doing so as part of the St Andrew's Agreement?
Is the N5 upgrading of benefit to All Ireland/cross-border infrastructure?


If yes to the above, then I' say he would be happy enough to put up some funding. Give him a ring.

Nally now that Martin is back up North...

Is he in Donegal? Or are you being partitionist as always?

[Hardy]

Nally doesn't seem to notice all the capital projects being pulled, except one. They can abandon roads, rail links, children's hospitals anywhere without comment, as long as it's not in Northern Ireland.

Partitionist.

[Nally Stand]

Nally doesn't seem to notice all the capital projects being pulled, except one. They can abandon roads, rail links, children's hospitals anywhere without comment, as long as it's not in Northern Ireland.

Partitionist.

I just find it odd that they would commit to it in the St. Andrew's agreement, spend €19m on it to date, commit to funding the rest just a few months ago, and only now realise they can't afford it? Did the economic crisis only start on Monday? Jaysus you lads get terribly upset when it is suggested Enda broke a promise 

[goal and a point]

people in south dont seem too bothered about this, it was not even in top 10 news stories in the rte.ie yesterday. It is a massive blow for the North but think of the contibution southern people were going to gain out of it -and the number of experienced engineers / construction workers in the south who are out of work that it may have helped.
Remember Sisk and Roadbridge - Irelands 2 biggest civil engineering companies would have getting around £200 million for their section. Fair blow to these companies also. Where will they replace this turnover from??

[armaghniac]

I just find it odd that they would commit to it in the St. Andrew's agreement, spend €19m on it to date, commit to funding the rest just a few months ago, and only now realise they can't afford it? Did the economic crisis only start on Monday?

Well the economic crisis hadn't started at the St Andrew's agreement. Enda was economical with the truth perhaps, but this is hardly the biggest change of policy brought about by circumstances. The money hasn't been withdrawn it merely has been postponed until the funds are available. Most capital money is being spent on schools rather than roads.

[Hardy]

Nally doesn't seem to notice all the capital projects being pulled, except one. They can abandon roads, rail links, children's hospitals anywhere without comment, as long as it's not in Northern Ireland.

Partitionist.

I just find it odd that they would commit to it in the St. Andrew's agreement, spend €19m on it to date, commit to funding the rest just a few months ago, and only now realise they can't afford it? Did the economic crisis only start on Monday? Jaysus you lads get terribly upset when it is suggested Enda broke a promise 

I enjoy poking things with a stick to see what happens. It's nearly always surprising. This time I find out I'm considered one of us lads, whoever we are.

[Norf Tyrone]

I think Nally's points are all fair questions, and people appear to be ignoring his points/ questions.

When it was reaffirmed in May that the project was still going ahead, what's changed since then to stop it going ahead. We've heard countless goverment ministers time after time stating that the money for the road was ringfenced for this project and it would go ahead no matter what. So what's changed to stop this happening?

Read this morning in the paper too, that a lot of construction firms have contracts signed already by both goverments to work on the road. What happens them now?